Re: [MBZ] Prices are still soft on these

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You are way too generous.

On Fri, Oct 13, 2023 at 12:21 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
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> Ice clod AC and caulked sunroof and struts and IC inop
>
> $1500 but only because it otherwise looks to be in good cosmetic condition
>
> --FT
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> > On Oct 13, 2023, at 10:02 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > And they think going to coilovers increases the value?
> >
> > <
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/labelle-mercedes-430-very-nice-adult/7676256787.html
> >
> > [00u0u_b7pQqB6SrHP_0t20t2_600x450.jpg]
> > 2004 mercedes benz s430 for sale by owner - Labelle, FL - craigslist<
> https://fortmyers.craigslist.org/lee/cto/d/labelle-mercedes-430-very-nice-adult/7676256787.html
> >
> > fortmyers.craigslist.org<
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> >
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Re: [MBZ] Prices are still soft on these

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

Ice clod AC and caulked sunroof and struts and IC inop

$1500 but only because it otherwise looks to be in good cosmetic condition 

--FT
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> On Oct 13, 2023, at 10:02 AM, dan penoff.com via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> And they think going to coilovers increases the value?
> 
> 
> [00u0u_b7pQqB6SrHP_0t20t2_600x450.jpg]
> 2004 mercedes benz s430 for sale by owner - Labelle, FL - 
> craigslist
> fortmyers.craigslist.org
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> The world has gone mad. there is no such thing as a decent $2000 install a 
> breathalyzer and get your license back vehicle anywhere in the world. Does 
> anybody have anything they want to sell me? Boy child thinks he wants to try 
> to get his license back. 

Shameless plug:

Car's in Spokane WA.  (1990 560 SEL) Was my daily driver until I went on a WFH
regime.  A moment's inattention put me into a guardrail a couple of winters ago.
I picked up a new fender and front door, and lights, at the boneyard.
Not yet installed, but I plan to swap the front fender, which was the worst
damage and which is easy to do.  Damage on rear quarter and door
not too bad, would have taken rear door too but the donor was an SD,
not SDL/SEL.

Sat for some time, then the starter stopped engaging.  Now has reman
starter.  Is on its second tranny.  According to my records I've spent
nearly $7,500 on it over the years, including its original $2,000 purchase 
price.
Cruise control and HVAC working fine, last I knew.

White exterior, palomino (?) interior.  Car is simply surplus to our needs,
and my wife has always hated it.  (Due to the acquisition process, not the
car itself.)  Politically-motivated sale.  The only thing I'm going to miss is
the heated seats.  Those (4) work _nice_.

I was going to put it on CL at $2500 and see what happened.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

All of my cheap gassers are sold. 

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> On Aug 15, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The world has gone mad. there is no such thing as a decent $2000 install a 
> breathalyzer and get your license back vehicle anywhere in the world. Does 
> anybody have anything they want to sell me? Boy child thinks he wants to try 
> to get his license back. 
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Can't offer any help on that issue. The Courts hold absolute hostage anyone
convicted of drunk driving. They mandate what can be installed, how it has
to be certified, how often it has to be inspected, and what it has to
report. Also, who can install such a device and how it must be "tamper
proof".
All backed up by the drunk driving laws passed by legislature.
Part of those laws also state the cost of the machine, the install, and the
court release to remove said machine, must be borne by the individual
convicted.
The companies which make or install the machines know the charge ticket is
punched in their favor, so no price breaks are given.
The legal intent is to make driving a "sobering experience" used only to
drive to work, and your court ordered AA meetings, so you can pay the huge
fines imposed for driving drunk.
I know all this because of an employee who spent 5 years in prison for
killing someone with his car while blind drunk, and his conditions of
parole required a vehicle monitor, with GPS locator. If his car was parked
in front of a bar, that was a parole violation and he went directly back to
prison.
Talented worker, as long as he was sober. Ultimately he died of liver
failure after a huge round of binge drinking.

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> The world has gone mad. there is no such thing as a decent $2000 install a
> breathalyzer and get your license back vehicle anywhere in the world. Does
> anybody have anything they want to sell me? Boy child thinks he wants to
> try to get his license back.
>
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

He can come get this 99E320

--FT
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> On Aug 15, 2021, at 11:06 AM, Bob Rentfro via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The world has gone mad. there is no such thing as a decent $2000 install a 
> breathalyzer and get your license back vehicle anywhere in the world. Does 
> anybody have anything they want to sell me? Boy child thinks he wants to try 
> to get his license back. 
> 
> AZBob
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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Dwight Giles via Mercedes]

sold
Dwight E. Giles Jr.
Wickford RI


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> Nothing pulls up
>
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> > On Aug 29, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe the used car bubble has popped, and prices are starting to
> normalize.
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/233689317144
> >
> > You have no idea what kind of restraint it took not to bid. I'm trying
> not to "accidentally" buy any more cars. If it was a non rust belt vehicle,
> I would have.
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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Nothing pulls up 

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> On Aug 29, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Maybe the used car bubble has popped, and prices are starting to normalize. 
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/233689317144
> 
> You have no idea what kind of restraint it took not to bid. I'm trying not to 
> "accidentally" buy any more cars. If it was a non rust belt vehicle, I would 
> have. 
> 
> Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

 G wrote:
 

 Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the
 car cost me $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi
 engine from cost me $25.00 and I did it my way...

Let's see what those numbers translate to in today's dollars -
based on fuel price.  If we pick $3.30 per gallon, which is
reasonable for before the crude oil silliness started...

Gas was $3.30 a gallon, the car cost me $3000, the wrecked doner
car cost me $750...

Looks to me like it sort of lines up with a inflation factor of 30x.

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Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

Pretty much spot on.. if you add in the devaluation factor of the dollar,
then vs now.. might more than double those numbers.

Also, it would be remiss not to include the cost of the divorce lawyers and
alimony after that sweet little gal that got out and helped you push the
old ford had 2.4 kids with you, got womens liberation, decided she was
held back from the work place and you paid for her college degrees, then
the lawyers, then the child support... et al..

Agh... what a mess we've made of it...

[No wonder men go to war . ;)) ]

Grant...

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  G wrote:
 

  Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the
  car cost me $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi
  engine from cost me $25.00 and I did it my way...

 Let's see what those numbers translate to in today's dollars -
 based on fuel price.  If we pick $3.30 per gallon, which is
 reasonable for before the crude oil silliness started...

 Gas was $3.30 a gallon, the car cost me $3000, the wrecked doner
 car cost me $750...

 Looks to me like it sort of lines up with a inflation factor of 30x.

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Re: [MBZ] Prices - was:So what do I want?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

When I was heading to deer camp I spent the night at a friends place. I'd just 
picked up a new sleeping bag, I explained I'd bought it because the big one I 
already had was too big to keep warm without Angie. He suggested I needed 
another Angie. I fell back on that old saw Its cheaper to keep her.
-Curt
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Pretty much spot on.. if you add in the devaluation factor of the dollar,
then vs now.. might more than double those numbers.

Also, it would be remiss not to include the cost of the divorce lawyers and
alimony after that sweet little gal that got out and helped you push the
old ford had 2.4 kids with you, got womens liberation, decided she was
held back from the work place and you paid for her college degrees, then
the lawyers, then the child support... et al..

Agh... what a mess we've made of it...

[No wonder men go to war . ;)) ]

Grant...

On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 12:43 PM, fmiser via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com
wrote:

  G wrote:
 

  Those were the good old days.. gas was 0.11 cents a gallon, the
  car cost me $100, the wrecked Chrysler donor car I got the Hemi
  engine from cost me $25.00 and I did it my way...

 Let's see what those numbers translate to in today's dollars -
 based on fuel price.  If we pick $3.30 per gallon, which is
 reasonable for before the crude oil silliness started...

 Gas was $3.30 a gallon, the car cost me $3000, the wrecked doner
 car cost me $750...

 Looks to me like it sort of lines up with a inflation factor of 30x.

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Re: [MBZ] Prices on parts

[Gerry Archer]

Hi Gary,

What are your business hours?  I sent this request for prices to your email 
address

(jabbahur...@gmail.com) yesterday.

Thanks,
Gerry

From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com


Need prices and recommendations on the following for '83 300D Mercedes:

Glow plug relay
Removeable diode assembly for Bosch alternator

Rubber air filter supports

Small carton of bulbs for instrument cluster, radio, and center console.

RR door lock vacuum unit

Thanks,

Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] Prices on parts

[Gary Hurst]

i really have no set business hours, gerry, beyond usually being around
from around 10 to 6ish on weekdays as i can talk to suppliers and ship
then.   i haven't responded to your email as i have no one to talk to about
removeable diode assembly.  i'm presuming you don't mean the voltage
regulator in which case i'm wondering where one would even get such item.
i couldn't figure that out till monday as i'd have to see if it can be
special ordered from bosch but it's a request i've never seen before as
most people don't rebuild their own alternator, but at most will just
replace a bad voltage regulator and otherwise just the whole unit

an aftermarket hueco glow relay is 105 bucks based on the pricing scheme i
have for you guys.  they seem adequate and tend to be made in germany (i
can't actually check that until monday) but they aren't the read deal ones
mercedes uses, which are hella and  $179

the vacuum actuator is probably going to be genuine and $35 as i haven't
seen any oem or decent aftermarket ones around in a while, but maybe i can
find one monday

air cleaner mounts that are not APA/URO about 2 to 2.50 each.  instrument
cluster bulbs are under a buck each.




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 Hi Gary,

 What are your business hours?  I sent this request for prices to your
 email address
 (jabbahur...@gmail.com) yesterday.

 Thanks,
 Gerry
 
 From: Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.com


 Need prices and recommendations on the following for '83 300D Mercedes:

 Glow plug relay
 Removeable diode assembly for Bosch alternator

 Rubber air filter supports


 Small carton of bulbs for instrument cluster, radio, and center console.

 RR door lock vacuum unit

 Thanks,

 Gerry

  arche...@embarqmail.com



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Re: [MBZ] Prices on parts

[Gerry Archer]

Not knowing the official name and too lazy to look it up, I described the
voltage regulator as a removable diode assembly.  It's the little gizmo 
held on with two screws that can be replaced without removing the 
alternator.


I can get a hueco glow relay for $85.xx plus $5.xx frt elsewhere, but your 
price is close enough considering.

...

Here's a corrected order; all for '83 300D:

1  Hueco glow plug relay

1  Voltage regulator for Bosch alternator

6  Air cleaner mounts

20  Instrument cluster bulbs

(I'll order the vacuum actuator with a later order since I want to check the 
condition of the others which may need replacing as well.)


I'll call you Monday.

Thanks,
Gerry

From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

i really have no set business hours, gerry, beyond usually being around
from around 10 to 6ish on weekdays as i can talk to suppliers and ship
then.   i haven't responded to your email as i have no one to talk to 
about

removeable diode assembly.  i'm presuming you don't mean the voltage
regulator in which case i'm wondering where one would even get such item.
i couldn't figure that out till monday as i'd have to see if it can be
special ordered from bosch but it's a request i've never seen before as
most people don't rebuild their own alternator, but at most will just
replace a bad voltage regulator and otherwise just the whole unit.

an aftermarket hueco glow relay is 105 bucks based on the pricing scheme i
have for you guys.  they seem adequate and tend to be made in germany (i
can't actually check that until monday) but they aren't the read deal ones
mercedes uses, which are hella and  $179

the vacuum actuator is probably going to be genuine and $35 as i haven't
seen any oem or decent aftermarket ones around in a while, but maybe i can
find one monday

air cleaner mounts that are not APA/URO about 2 to 2.50 each.  instrument
cluster bulbs are under a buck each.



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Re: [MBZ] Prices on parts

[Gary Hurst]

oh, yeah, voltage regulator makes a lot more sense, but i've gotten more
oddball requests from listers in the last 3 months than maybe in 15 years
beforehand, so i just don't even flinch when someone asks me for diodes or,
really, anything at all..  $33 on the lister pricing plan for the original
bosch.  i've always sold the bosch and am not sure it pays to mess around
with cheap aftermarket ones


On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 Not knowing the official name and too lazy to look it up, I described the
 voltage regulator as a removable diode assembly.  It's the little
 gizmo held on with two screws that can be replaced without removing the
 alternator.

 I can get a hueco glow relay for $85.xx plus $5.xx frt elsewhere, but your
 price is close enough considering.
 ..**.

 Here's a corrected order; all for '83 300D:

 1  Hueco glow plug relay

 1  Voltage regulator for Bosch alternator

 6  Air cleaner mounts

 20  Instrument cluster bulbs

 (I'll order the vacuum actuator with a later order since I want to check
 the condition of the others which may need replacing as well.)

 I'll call you Monday.

 Thanks,
 Gerry
 
 From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

 i really have no set business hours, gerry, beyond usually being around
 from around 10 to 6ish on weekdays as i can talk to suppliers and ship
 then.   i haven't responded to your email as i have no one to talk to
 about
 removeable diode assembly.  i'm presuming you don't mean the voltage
 regulator in which case i'm wondering where one would even get such item.
 i couldn't figure that out till monday as i'd have to see if it can be
 special ordered from bosch but it's a request i've never seen before as
 most people don't rebuild their own alternator, but at most will just
 replace a bad voltage regulator and otherwise just the whole unit.


 an aftermarket hueco glow relay is 105 bucks based on the pricing scheme i
 have for you guys.  they seem adequate and tend to be made in germany (i
 can't actually check that until monday) but they aren't the read deal ones
 mercedes uses, which are hella and  $179

 the vacuum actuator is probably going to be genuine and $35 as i haven't
 seen any oem or decent aftermarket ones around in a while, but maybe i can
 find one monday

 air cleaner mounts that are not APA/URO about 2 to 2.50 each.  instrument
 cluster bulbs are under a buck each.



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Re: [MBZ] Prices on parts

[Gerry Archer]

Sounds good.  I'll call tomorrow.
Gerry

From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com

oh, yeah, voltage regulator makes a lot more sense, but i've gotten more
oddball requests from listers in the last 3 months than maybe in 15 years
beforehand, so i just don't even flinch when someone asks me for diodes 
or,

really, anything at all..  $33 on the lister pricing plan for the original
bosch.  i've always sold the bosch and am not sure it pays to mess around
with cheap aftermarket ones


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arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:



Not knowing the official name and too lazy to look it up, I described the
voltage regulator as a removable diode assembly.  It's the little
gizmo held on with two screws that can be replaced without removing the
alternator.

I can get a hueco glow relay for $85.xx plus $5.xx frt elsewhere, but 
your

price is close enough considering.
..**.

Here's a corrected order; all for '83 300D:

1  Hueco glow plug relay

1  Voltage regulator for Bosch alternator

6  Air cleaner mounts

20  Instrument cluster bulbs

(I'll order the vacuum actuator with a later order since I want to check
the condition of the others which may need replacing as well.)

I'll call you Monday.

Thanks,
Gerry

From: Gary Hurst jabbahur...@gmail.com


i really have no set business hours, gerry, beyond usually being around
from around 10 to 6ish on weekdays as i can talk to suppliers and ship
then.   i haven't responded to your email as i have no one to talk to
about
removeable diode assembly.  i'm presuming you don't mean the voltage
regulator in which case i'm wondering where one would even get such 
item.

i couldn't figure that out till monday as i'd have to see if it can be
special ordered from bosch but it's a request i've never seen before as
most people don't rebuild their own alternator, but at most will just
replace a bad voltage regulator and otherwise just the whole unit.


an aftermarket hueco glow relay is 105 bucks based on the pricing scheme 
i

have for you guys.  they seem adequate and tend to be made in germany (i
can't actually check that until monday) but they aren't the read deal 
ones

mercedes uses, which are hella and  $179

the vacuum actuator is probably going to be genuine and $35 as i haven't
seen any oem or decent aftermarket ones around in a while, but maybe i 
can

find one monday

air cleaner mounts that are not APA/URO about 2 to 2.50 each. 
instrument

cluster bulbs are under a buck each.




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Re: [MBZ] prices UP

[RELNGSON]

 ...Well, the higher cost of Diesel has become a detrimental factor only 
 in the
 last coupla years, but in years past, the cost was by far the OTHER way.
 BTW, yesterday I paid $3.95/gal for some of that ten-cent fuel...
 
Today I paid $4.09.9 for Chevron no-ethanol premium and diesel was $4.29.9. 
Bio was $4.00.9.

RLE
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Allan Streib]

Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:

 Somebody bought my old VW manual on fleabay today.  In it I found a
 receipt in it from 1987 for Wabbit parts.  Prices were interesting:

 Struts:  19.95 Ea
 Ties rods:  33.47
 Axle boot kit:  9.95

 But the big change is the shipping.  12 lbs was 2.56.  UPS was
 reasonable then.

Shipping?? In 1987 we had a *good* imported auto parts store right in
town.  Chain FLAPS put them out of business, but they don't sell
anything worth buying.

Allan

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[Dieselhead]

Well, this was a local place with 4 locations.  The one with the most 
parts was 100 miles away.  the closest was 70.  The guy at the one 
100 miles away always gave me the tips of what to get and what to 
avoid, just like Rusty.  For 2.56, there is no way I could afford to 
drive there.


Chain FLAPS put them out of business too.   Earlier, there had been a 
VW dealer 25 miles away, but VW shut it down.




Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com writes:


 Somebody bought my old VW manual on fleabay today.  In it I found a
 receipt in it from 1987 for Wabbit parts.  Prices were interesting:

 Struts:  19.95 Ea
 Ties rods:  33.47
 Axle boot kit:  9.95

 But the big change is the shipping.  12 lbs was 2.56.  UPS was
 reasonable then.


Shipping?? In 1987 we had a *good* imported auto parts store right in
town.  Chain FLAPS put them out of business, but they don't sell
anything worth buying.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Tim C.]

 From: John Reames 
 Scanners are a pita. Scsi seems to be the closest to universal as  
 there is, and they are a pita.  Oddly, most standalone scanners work  
 very well with Linux boxes and macs..

Dunno why you find that odd, seems perfectly sane to me.

..We have a networked scanner at work that will e-mail you its results.  
Wicked handy.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[John Reames]

Yes, I suppose you should expect sane scanning results from Linux...

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On May 1, 2010, at 8:10, Tim C. bb...@crone.us wrote:




From: John Reames
Scanners are a pita. Scsi seems to be the closest to universal as
there is, and they are a pita.  Oddly, most standalone scanners work
very well with Linux boxes and macs..


Dunno why you find that odd, seems perfectly sane to me.

..We have a networked scanner at work that will e-mail you its  
results.

Wicked handy.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

We're looking for a new refrigerator to replace a 10 year old Maytag
side-by-side, which was about $1200 in 1999.  A very similar model from
Whirlpool is now about $700, and the latest, greatest, all the bells and
whistles model is well over $2400, so the inflation argument could go
either direction WRT refrigerators.  I'm thinking that refrigerator
prices have dropped by about 40% since 1999.

-Max
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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:19 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Prices rising?

Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we
don't have them here so we have to go south once a month so she can get
another purse. May need to build on to the house in order to store them
soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on
March 17 for $44 each. Yesterday, the same things were $54. Quite a hike
in a bit over a month.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Rich Thomas]

And it will last 60% as long.

--R

On 4/30/2010 10:32 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 
wrote:

We're looking for a new refrigerator to replace a 10 year old Maytag
side-by-side, which was about $1200 in 1999.  A very similar model from
Whirlpool is now about $700, and the latest, greatest, all the bells and
whistles model is well over $2400, so the inflation argument could go
either direction WRT refrigerators.  I'm thinking that refrigerator
prices have dropped by about 40% since 1999.

-Max
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From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Prices rising?

Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we
don't have them here so we have to go south once a month so she can get
another purse. May need to build on to the house in order to store them
soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on
March 17 for $44 each. Yesterday, the same things were $54. Quite a hike
in a bit over a month.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[R A Bennell]

I hear that the primary reason that the Canadian economy is doing better than 
the US economy is that our housing
industry is still strong. We are still building and people are still paying 
higher prices for homes. There is a
suggestion that that is a bubble that will ultimately burst.

On the rising prices issue, I also note an ad in the local paper this week for 
7/16 aspenite sheathing for almost
$11 per sheet. Last summer I was paying between $7 and $8 and it had been 
cheaper in the spring. I think it was
under $7 early last year and rose as the summer came.

Have not looked elsewhere to see if that is the going rate but suspect it is.

Was in Lowes and Menards on Wednesday but did not think to check the prices 
there as I had not yet seen that ad.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Prices rising?


Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we don't have 
them here so we have to go south
once a month so she can get another purse. May need to build on to the house in 
order to store them soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on March 17 
for $44 each. Yesterday, the same
things were $54. Quite a hike in a bit over a month.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[R A Bennell]

But they do not last as long as they used to. Most parts now made in Asia and 
not as robust as they once were.

Randy

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SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?


We're looking for a new refrigerator to replace a 10 year old Maytag
side-by-side, which was about $1200 in 1999.  A very similar model from
Whirlpool is now about $700, and the latest, greatest, all the bells and
whistles model is well over $2400, so the inflation argument could go
either direction WRT refrigerators.  I'm thinking that refrigerator
prices have dropped by about 40% since 1999.

-Max
-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com
[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 6:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Prices rising?

Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we
don't have them here so we have to go south once a month so she can get
another purse. May need to build on to the house in order to store them
soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on
March 17 for $44 each. Yesterday, the same things were $54. Quite a hike
in a bit over a month.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[R A Bennell]

Except on computers and stuff of that nature.

I have a laser printer, copier, fax, scanner machine with 2 paper trays etc 
that I bought a number of years back.
It is a Panasonic Workio and I paid through the proverbial nose for it - I 
think close to $5K. In any event, it is
considered obsolete and there are apparently no software upgrades for it to 
permit me to readily move up to Windows
7. I can go no further than XP I think, although Vista might work. In any 
event, the service fellow - it is on an
annual contract for repair, maintenance, and toner - tells me I might want to 
just get a new one as the current
model is only about $1K to buy brand new.

I just bought an Acer i7 chip machine with 6 or 8 Gigs of RAM (can't recall and 
it is not here ) and a terrabyte of
hard drive etc for just under $1K. I could not buy the parts and put one 
together for the cost in the local Staples
store.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Rich Thomas]

I met yesterday with a builder for the house addition I am starting 
soon, he told me I should buy the SIPs now as the price is going up in 
the next couple of weeks.  Apparently demand is starting to pick up a 
bit, though I can't imagine basic prices should be any higher since fuel 
prices are still fairly low.  I guess I will have to do that, save a 
coupla $thou.


--R

On 4/30/2010 12:23 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

I hear that the primary reason that the Canadian economy is doing better than 
the US economy is that our housing
industry is still strong. We are still building and people are still paying 
higher prices for homes. There is a
suggestion that that is a bubble that will ultimately burst.

On the rising prices issue, I also note an ad in the local paper this week for 
7/16 aspenite sheathing for almost
$11 per sheet. Last summer I was paying between $7 and $8 and it had been 
cheaper in the spring. I think it was
under $7 early last year and rose as the summer came.

Have not looked elsewhere to see if that is the going rate but suspect it is.

Was in Lowes and Menards on Wednesday but did not think to check the prices 
there as I had not yet seen that ad.

Randy

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Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:19 PM
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Subject: [MBZ] Prices rising?


Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we don't have 
them here so we have to go south
once a month so she can get another purse. May need to build on to the house in 
order to store them soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on March 17 
for $44 each. Yesterday, the same
things were $54. Quite a hike in a bit over a month.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310]

I think your situation has been helped tremendously by your bankers, who
seem to have maintained sobriety and skepticism and thus avoided the
sub-prime mortgage mess that our politicians/investment bankers/mortgage
lenders/aspiring home-owners have gotten us into.  It is clear to me
that if the bankers and mortgage lenders here in the U.S. of A. had
shown more fiscal sense than greed, we would not be in nearly the mess
we are in now.  The whole stinking pile of do-do required many actors to
do their part, and if one class of actors had refused to participate
then maybe things would have turned out a little different.

OK, I'll stop with the politics now, even though I'm flying under the
flag of economics...

-Max

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Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 12:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

I hear that the primary reason that the Canadian economy is doing better
than the US economy is that our housing industry is still strong. We are
still building and people are still paying higher prices for homes.
There is a suggestion that that is a bubble that will ultimately burst.

On the rising prices issue, I also note an ad in the local paper this
week for 7/16 aspenite sheathing for almost
$11 per sheet. Last summer I was paying between $7 and $8 and it had
been cheaper in the spring. I think it was under $7 early last year and
rose as the summer came.

Have not looked elsewhere to see if that is the going rate but suspect
it is.

Was in Lowes and Menards on Wednesday but did not think to check the
prices there as I had not yet seen that ad.

Randy

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[mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of R A Bennell
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 4:19 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Subject: [MBZ] Prices rising?


Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we
don't have them here so we have to go south once a month so she can get
another purse. May need to build on to the house in order to store them
soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on
March 17 for $44 each. Yesterday, the same things were $54. Quite a hike
in a bit over a month.

Randy




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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas 
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

 I met yesterday with a builder for the house addition I am starting soon,
 he told me I should buy the SIPs now as the price is going up in the next
 couple of weeks


That's interesting, Rich---what made you go with SIPs?  Upfront cost,
insulating properties, energy tax credits, all of the above?

I've been researching alternatives to conventional stick building for a new
house I plan to build within the next few years or so, in the hope of better
passive climate control, sound deadening, and fire resistance... there are
lots of options, assuming you can find a builder willing to think outside
the box a bit, and get a permit for something other than a plain vanilla
McMansion.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Mitch Haley]

Alex Chamberlain wrote:


I've been researching alternatives to conventional stick building for a new
house I plan to build within the next few years or so, in the hope of better
passive climate control, sound deadening, and fire resistance... there are
lots of options, assuming you can find a builder willing to think outside
the box a bit, and get a permit for something other than a plain vanilla
McMansion.


I've wanted to do straw, but it's labor intensive, concrete is not the ideal 
stucco material, and the really good stuff like lime plaster takes skill to do.


Prefab domes erected by owner beat paying a contractor to assemble anything 
else.

I'm leaning towards a sort of split level two story of conventional 
construction. The garage floor will be a few feet higher than the basement 
floor. The garage ceiling will be level with the first floor ceiling (13' or so 
garage height), and the 2nd floor will be on top of the first floor and garage. 
I figure it would take about $25k worth of materials to enclose 2000 sq feet of 
living space and 700sq feet of garage. Exterior walls of 2x6 conventional 
construction packed full of cellulose, wood basement with 2x8 walls, garage 
foundation of foam lego blocks poured full of concrete.
Lots of untinted windows on the south side, with enough low-e glass on the other 
three sides to make it legal (stupid California wankers sticking the whole 
country with an air conditioning centric building code). Either that, or put 
low-e glass all around on the plans and just install proper stuff on the south 
wall, hope the inspectors are too stupid to notice. I think I could do the whole 
thing for $60k and three months of my time.


One time I was looking at a Menard's house kit, and asked a builder friend how 
much he'd charge (labor only) to build the frame. He quoted me $25k IIRC. You 
know how many months I'd need to work to earn $25k? And now many weeks it would 
take an inexperienced carpenter to frame a house? It'd be far better to take a 
leave of absence and DIY.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising? now SIPs

[Rich Thomas]

We're doing a timber frame addition.  The frame can go up quickly (3-4 
days as it is shipped all cut and ready to erect) and the SIPs are 
probably another 4-5 days as they will be mostly cut at the fab 
facility, some trimming on-site.  I can have the whole addition up and 
dried in less than 2 weeks, then I can start doing all the other work.  
Much faster than a stick frame structure, and will be much better 
insulated (though that aspect is not a huge issue here).  I am more 
interested in speed and the timber frame is aesthetic, and SIPs and 
timber frames just make sense.  SIPS for standard stick construction 
will save money initially and in the long run too (construction labor 
and insulating value) so that sorta offsets the higher initial cost for 
material.  Insect resistance is better too (good benefit for me).


The guy doing the actual construction work is an architect/builder that 
does LEED/green construction, and had a SIP facility at his site but 
got out of that and has outsourced to another local facility (or 
something, not quite sure how they worked it out).  I went up there and 
visited the plant which basically consisted of a big glue squirter and 
a hydraulic press to squeeze a stack of panels and foam and 2x's 
together until the glue set up, and some work benches where they cut the 
panels before shipping if that was specced.  Fairly low tech, you could 
pretty much do the same thing with a big stack of concrete blocks.  A 
4x24ft x 4.5 panel weighed maybe 150lb if that, fairly easy to deal 
with.  The foam comes with some holes cut for wire chases, and the 
panels are marked so you know where they are.


I made a little blog if you are interested to follow the project, right 
now I am waiting for the county to give me my permits, hope to have that 
next week and get the foundation started soon thereafter if the concrete 
guy ever gets back to me (he says he is starting to get busy, and is my 
gating factor now).


http://marshhouseaddition.blogspot.com/

--R

On 4/30/2010 1:13 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote:

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 9:44 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net  wrote:

   

I met yesterday with a builder for the house addition I am starting soon,
he told me I should buy the SIPs now as the price is going up in the next
couple of weeks

 

That's interesting, Rich---what made you go with SIPs?  Upfront cost,
insulating properties, energy tax credits, all of the above?

I've been researching alternatives to conventional stick building for a new
house I plan to build within the next few years or so, in the hope of better
passive climate control, sound deadening, and fire resistance... there are
lots of options, assuming you can find a builder willing to think outside
the box a bit, and get a permit for something other than a plain vanilla
McMansion.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[MG]

Ah but it will use 40% less electricity.

Manfred



Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 10:42:01 -0400
From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

And it will last 60% as long.

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[John Reames]

Hmm my laserjet 4m+ shouldn't have any driver issues... But then it's  
not a lobotomized windows printer that expects the host machine to do  
a lot of the work...


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On Apr 30, 2010, at 12:32, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:



Except on computers and stuff of that nature.

I have a laser printer, copier, fax, scanner machine with 2 paper  
trays etc that I bought a number of years back.
It is a Panasonic Workio and I paid through the proverbial nose for  
it - I think close to $5K. In any event, it is
considered obsolete and there are apparently no software upgrades  
for it to permit me to readily move up to Windows
7. I can go no further than XP I think, although Vista might work.  
In any event, the service fellow - it is on an
annual contract for repair, maintenance, and toner - tells me I  
might want to just get a new one as the current

model is only about $1K to buy brand new.

I just bought an Acer i7 chip machine with 6 or 8 Gigs of RAM (can't  
recall and it is not here ) and a terrabyte of
hard drive etc for just under $1K. I could not buy the parts and put  
one together for the cost in the local Staples

store.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Craig McCluskey]

On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:57:10 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
wrote:

 Hmm my laserjet 4m+ shouldn't have any driver issues... But then it's  
 not a lobotomized windows printer that expects the host machine to do  
 a lot of the work...

Indeed. An HP PostScript capable, ethernet connected printer can be
driven by almost anything.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Tim C]

On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:32 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:

 Except on computers and stuff of that nature.

Yes, very much so, early adopter penalty for quickly-changing
industries.  LCD TVs, for example, have come down a lot even since
Christmas, maybe one day I will buy one.

I've seen very little change on used Mercedes seasonal prices in the
last year, though. :)

 I have a laser printer, copier, fax, scanner machine with 2 paper trays etc 
 that I bought a number of years back.
 It is a Panasonic Workio and I paid through the proverbial nose for it - I 
 think close to $5K. In any event, it is

Looks like some of the WorkIO printers used Postscript + PCL, so if
you don't use the 'scanner' function much you should be able to keep
it printing using generic drivers, and I assume that it would still do
copying/fax without a PC attached (i.e. internally) at that price.

FWIW standalone scanners are relatively cheap, and are often available
at thrift stores. :)

John/Craig, I also use HP, but my parallel scanner isn't supported
anymore.  I can use it as a copier into the LJ5 though...

 I just bought an Acer i7 chip machine with 6 or 8 Gigs of RAM (can't recall 
 and it is not here ) and a terrabyte of
 hard drive etc for just under $1K. I could not buy the parts and put one 
 together for the cost in the local Staples
 store.

I've noticed that too, PC manufacturers are really doing an amazing
job keeping assembly margins low.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[John Reames]

Yep, and the plus model is a smudge faster, but more importantly, it  
duplexes.


Plus the 4/4+/5 series (no suffix or m suffix only) are some of the  
cheapest per page, based on consumable costs.


Rated life of cartridges is/was conservative, and you would get quite  
a bit more than the label said (10-20%!!!), plus no expiration date  
chip in the cartridges, and no documented microdot date/serial number  
encodings...


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On Apr 30, 2010, at 15:18, Craig McCluskey diese...@pisquared.net  
wrote:



On Fri, 30 Apr 2010 14:57:10 -0400 John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net
wrote:


Hmm my laserjet 4m+ shouldn't have any driver issues... But then it's
not a lobotomized windows printer that expects the host machine to do
a lot of the work...


Indeed. An HP PostScript capable, ethernet connected printer can be
driven by almost anything.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[John Reames]

Scanners are a pita. Scsi seems to be the closest to universal as  
there is, and they are a pita.  Oddly, most standalone scanners work  
very well with Linux boxes and macs...


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On Apr 30, 2010, at 16:54, Tim C bb...@crone.us wrote:


On Fri, Apr 30, 2010 at 12:32 PM, R A Bennell b...@mts.net wrote:


Except on computers and stuff of that nature.


Yes, very much so, early adopter penalty for quickly-changing
industries.  LCD TVs, for example, have come down a lot even since
Christmas, maybe one day I will buy one.

I've seen very little change on used Mercedes seasonal prices in the
last year, though. :)

I have a laser printer, copier, fax, scanner machine with 2 paper  
trays etc that I bought a number of years back.
It is a Panasonic Workio and I paid through the proverbial nose for  
it - I think close to $5K. In any event, it is


Looks like some of the WorkIO printers used Postscript + PCL, so if
you don't use the 'scanner' function much you should be able to keep
it printing using generic drivers, and I assume that it would still do
copying/fax without a PC attached (i.e. internally) at that price.

FWIW standalone scanners are relatively cheap, and are often available
at thrift stores. :)

John/Craig, I also use HP, but my parallel scanner isn't supported
anymore.  I can use it as a copier into the LJ5 though...

I just bought an Acer i7 chip machine with 6 or 8 Gigs of RAM  
(can't recall and it is not here ) and a terrabyte of
hard drive etc for just under $1K. I could not buy the parts and  
put one together for the cost in the local Staples

store.


I've noticed that too, PC manufacturers are really doing an amazing
job keeping assembly margins low.

-Tim

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Curt Raymond]

I've had excellent luck with my Agfa usb scanner with Linux, better than with 
Windows even.

The exception is OCR software, the AGFA offering is vastly superior to the 
Linux.

-Curt

Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 17:51:42 -0400
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Scanners
 are a pita. Scsi seems to be the closest to universal as  
there 
is, and they are a pita.  Oddly, most standalone scanners work  
very
 well with Linux boxes and macs...

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Jim Cathey]

enclose 2000 sq feet of living space and 700sq feet of garage.


Your ratios, Sir, are all wrong!

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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[Rich Thomas]

It's called Stimulus.

--R

On 4/29/2010 6:19 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we don't have 
them here so we have to go south
once a month so she can get another purse. May need to build on to the house in 
order to store them soon.

In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards on March 17 
for $44 each. Yesterday, the same
things were $54. Quite a hike in a bit over a month.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices rising?

[John Reames]

Heh...would that be auto-stimulus? (hey don't we have fancy terms of  
Latin origin for self-stimulating??)


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On Apr 29, 2010, at 19:10, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net 
 wrote:



It's called Stimulus.

--R

On 4/29/2010 6:19 PM, R A Bennell wrote:

Are y'all seeing prices rising?

I was in Grand Forks ND yesterday. My good wife loves Kohl's and we  
don't have them here so we have to go south
once a month so she can get another purse. May need to build on to  
the house in order to store them soon.


In any event, I bought 4 trailer tires mounted on wheels in Menards  
on March 17 for $44 each. Yesterday, the same

things were $54. Quite a hike in a bit over a month.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] Prices

[Chuck Landenberger]

Do you mean $3.969 per gallon for Bio  ?

If so, I think somebody is getting cleaned and it ain't the 
environment!


Chuck
Phoenix, AZ
1980 300SD
1986 F250 Diesel (6.9L)... But gets about 19 mpg around town.

On Thursday, July 7, 2005, at 05:09  PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Here on the surface of the sun, we just went blasting through the
$2.50 mark (here on the west side, you Phoenixites) for diesel, and
the schmuck that has the lone bio pump in town has reportedly raised
his price to $2.80.


Bio at my station costs 396.9. Taxes. Much higher than super unleaded.

RLE

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