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[OK Don via Mercedes]

This is from an FAA article on electric aircraft -

"My relationship with electrification of transportation is, well, …
complicated. I am simultaneously a strident advocate and a deep skeptic of
electrification. People always want simple answers, but complex situations
rarely offer them.

So here is where my dissonant world view on electrification comes from. I
drive a range extender electric vehicle (EV). That means that my car is
primarily electric but has a gas engine that can be used as a generator to
recharge the battery for longer trips. The majority (about 75-percent) of
my trips rely on just the battery. That number is skewed by a few longer
trips where I didn’t have access to a charging station. In everyday life, I
can go weeks or even months without burning a drop of gas. My experience
with EVs has been overwhelmingly positive. So why do I doubt?

My skepticism is rooted in seeing the often-hyperbolic claims of those
advocating for the technology. Like many new technologies, the benefits are
trumpeted while the limitations are often ignored. In the long term, this
consistent over-promising and under-delivering damages the public’s
confidence in the technology. What follows is my hopeful skeptic’s view on
the benefits of, and challenges for, aviation’s electric future. I’ll also
take a look at a couple of projects that are making their way toward the
general aviation (GA) community."

https://spark.adobe.com/page/bkpOuAwEC0aFe/



On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 7:38 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > On November 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I think I’ve seen a number of videos and posts in various places where
> people have bought Prii for cheep and rejuvenated just single cells of the
> battery pack with great success.
>
> There are people who match up cells from junkyard batteries and sell them
> as refurbished.
> The problem is that once a few cells start dying, their identical twins
> will probably be getting there in another year or two.
> I can see taking the best 28 cells out of two battery packs and reselling
> the car, but I don't see the point of doing that and keeping it, at least
> not as long as I tend to keep cars.
>
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 6:57 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think I’ve seen a number of videos and posts in various places where people 
> have bought Prii for cheep and rejuvenated just single cells of the battery 
> pack with great success.

There are people who match up cells from junkyard batteries and sell them as 
refurbished. 
The problem is that once a few cells start dying, their identical twins will 
probably be getting there in another year or two. 
I can see taking the best 28 cells out of two battery packs and reselling the 
car, but I don't see the point of doing that and keeping it, at least not as 
long as I tend to keep cars. 

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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I think I’ve seen a number of videos and posts in various places where people 
have bought Prii for cheep and rejuvenated just single cells of the battery 
pack with great success.

-D


> On Nov 27, 2018, at 6:39 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Chris Fixx did a video where he replaced the battery in a Priapus.   Dealer 
> wanted over $3k for the pak, he found it online for half that.  In my search 
> for SD replacement, the evil priii had to be looked at.  These things are all 
> over the place and can be picked up for less than a used replacement motor 
> for the SD
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
>>> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after 
>>> all has been out for a long time at this point.
>> 
>> The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
>> 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium. 
>> 
>> The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
>> give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
>> promised. 
>> The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for 
>> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which 
>> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery. 
>> 
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Kolifornia can not make enough power for its own uses.  PNW is pretty strapped 
as well.  Unless Mr. Buffet has plans to own the power grid and build out to 
meed the forecasted need, there is little probability electric only cars will 
rule the road.


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> On Nov 27, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 27/11/2018 12:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
>>> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
>>> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after 
>>> all has been out for a long time at this point.
>> The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
>> 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium.
>> 
>> The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
>> give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
>> promised.
>> The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for 
>> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which 
>> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery.
>> 
>> Mitch.
>> 
>> ___
> 
> My understanding is that there is a shortage of lithium to make batteries on 
> a large scale.
> I also fail to see or understand how is it good for the environment to toss a 
> car after the battery wears out in 7 years?
> Much of the USA has pretty old and limited electrical infrastructure so 
> charging a few million cars is not going to be easy or cheap. If the 
> utilities have to ramp up the grid, you all know it is going to cost $$$.
> 
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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Chris Fixx did a video where he replaced the battery in a Priapus.   Dealer 
wanted over $3k for the pak, he found it online for half that.  In my search 
for SD replacement, the evil priii had to be looked at.  These things are all 
over the place and can be picked up for less than a used replacement motor for 
the SD

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Nov 27, 2018, at 10:28 AM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
>> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after 
>> all has been out for a long time at this point.
> 
> The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
> 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium. 
> 
> The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
> give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
> promised. 
> The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for 
> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which 
> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery. 
> 
> Mitch.
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On 27/11/2018 2:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

IF the cars are charged overnight, it will help even the load on the
existing grid, not require a large build-out. That's a big IF though . . .



A quick search suggests that power demand is lowest between  about 2 and 
4 AM and highest around 6 PM.
Car charging plugs would need to be on timers that would prevent people 
from charging their cars outside of the middle of the night. Otherwise, 
people would forget to plug in when they got home and would plug in for 
a bit when they got up - which is a time when demand ramps up.


This may all happen but I hope it is 40 or 50 years away. I will be gone 
and it will not matter to me.


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On 27/11/2018 2:19 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

IF the cars are charged overnight, it will help even the load on the
existing grid, not require a large build-out. That's a big IF though . . .

But, night is dark and there will be no solar power to boost the grid 
and most folks are at home at night using the AC when it is hot and the 
heat when it is cold. Are night time energy draws all that much lower 
than daytime?


RB

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IF the cars are charged overnight, it will help even the load on the
existing grid, not require a large build-out. That's a big IF though . . .

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 2:12 PM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 27/11/2018 12:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> >> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the
> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after
> all has been out for a long time at this point.
> > The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH
> from 1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium.
> >
> > The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was
> forced to give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last
> as long as promised.
> > The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for
> example, if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which
> point the car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
> > ___
>
> My understanding is that there is a shortage of lithium to make
> batteries on a large scale.
> I also fail to see or understand how is it good for the environment to
> toss a car after the battery wears out in 7 years?
> Much of the USA has pretty old and limited electrical infrastructure so
> charging a few million cars is not going to be easy or cheap. If the
> utilities have to ramp up the grid, you all know it is going to cost $$$.
>
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On 27/11/2018 12:28 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:


I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after all 
has been out for a long time at this point.

The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium.

The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
promised.
The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for example, 
if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which point the 
car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery.

Mitch.

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My understanding is that there is a shortage of lithium to make 
batteries on a large scale.
I also fail to see or understand how is it good for the environment to 
toss a car after the battery wears out in 7 years?
Much of the USA has pretty old and limited electrical infrastructure so 
charging a few million cars is not going to be easy or cheap. If the 
utilities have to ramp up the grid, you all know it is going to cost $$$.


RB

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 12:56 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
> batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after all 
> has been out for a long time at this point.

The lithium battery Prius was introduced in 2015 IIRC. They were NiMH from 
1999-2014, proven tech but not as energy dense as lithium. 

The Leaf has been around since the 2011 model year, but Nissan was forced to 
give out a lot of free batteries when the early ones didn't last as long as 
promised. 
The current batteries, if used with decent temperature management (for example, 
if they're not in a Leaf), should be good for 7-10 years, at which point the 
car will probably be worth less than a replacement battery. 

Mitch.

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 The Volt is a better idea that the Prius as its a series hybrid, the gas 
engine only powers the electric motor which powers the wheels, this cuts down 
on the extra weight of the parallel drive train.
I think we can call the battery concerns of the old days overblown, the 
batteries are all third party and have proven themselves, the Prius after all 
has been out for a long time at this point.
-Curt

On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 11:40:56 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On 26/11/2018 7:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:
> When I first heard about the Volt, I figured it was the worst of both worlds.
> Worse fuel economy than a Cruze on the hwy running on gas, not enough battery 
> range to be a viable electric car.
>
> But in talking to people who own them, it works in practice. They charge it 
> up when they're home, let it run in hybrid mode when it's low on charge, and 
> even with some extra running on the gas engine just to keep it active they 
> get over 200mpg not counting the cost of electricity.
> Even on a long trip, like 1200 miles to Florida, I bet I could get over 45 
> miles per gallon in a 2nd generation Volt. Run electric for the first 50 
> miles, let it recharge some on the downhills in Kentucky and Tennessee, and 
> finish with the battery at 20%.
>
> Mitch.

Agreed. I thought it was stupid when it first came out but I have seen 
some of them on the road and am coming around to the idea that it might 
be a decent vehicle. I wonder how long the battery is good for and what 
it costs to replace or repair it.
I also wonder why GM is dropping it given their stated intention to 
invest a bundle in electric car development. It would seem logical to 
keep the only one they have going in the interim.

RB

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Next you'll be telling us that polio isn't so bad, "keeps you in your bed for a 
couple weeks."
You're completely wrong about measles, thousands of people used to die every 
year. Failing to vaccinate against it WILL kill people...
-Curt


On Tuesday, November 27, 2018, 7:53:44 AM EST, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 it is the chickenpox

The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get 
chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines 
into kids, or whatever the current number is.

We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big 
deal, just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!

> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
> Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of 
> pocket
> for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
> of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
> think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
> -
> Max (who isn't a doctor)
> Charleston SC
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> On November 27, 2018 at 11:39 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I also wonder why GM is dropping it given their stated intention to 
> invest a bundle in electric car development. It would seem logical to 
> keep the only one they have going in the interim.
>

The only one they have going now is the Bolt. 
I have a feeling the Bolt with its giant battery was cutting into Volt sales, 
especially since we're being told that nobody wants sedans any more. 

Mitch.

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On 26/11/2018 7:58 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes wrote:

When I first heard about the Volt, I figured it was the worst of both worlds.
Worse fuel economy than a Cruze on the hwy running on gas, not enough battery 
range to be a viable electric car.

But in talking to people who own them, it works in practice. They charge it up 
when they're home, let it run in hybrid mode when it's low on charge, and even 
with some extra running on the gas engine just to keep it active they get over 
200mpg not counting the cost of electricity.
Even on a long trip, like 1200 miles to Florida, I bet I could get over 45 
miles per gallon in a 2nd generation Volt. Run electric for the first 50 miles, 
let it recharge some on the downhills in Kentucky and Tennessee, and finish 
with the battery at 20%.

Mitch.


Agreed. I thought it was stupid when it first came out but I have seen 
some of them on the road and am coming around to the idea that it might 
be a decent vehicle. I wonder how long the battery is good for and what 
it costs to replace or repair it.
I also wonder why GM is dropping it given their stated intention to 
invest a bundle in electric car development. It would seem logical to 
keep the only one they have going in the interim.


RB

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So did I but I wouldn't want kids to go through what I did.  Vaccination is
a way safer alternative.

On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 9:22 AM Dan--- via Mercedes 
wrote:

> Yup. I had the trifecta (measles, mumps, chicken pox) as did my siblings.
> All before I was school age, so I got no relief in that regard.
>
> -D
>
> > On Nov 27, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > it is the chickenpox
> >
> > The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get
> chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines into
> kids, or whatever the current number is.
> >
> > We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big
> deal, just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!
> >
> >> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
> >> November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
> >> Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of
> pocket
> >> for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from
> one
> >> of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
> >> think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
> >> -
> >> Max (who isn't a doctor)
> >> Charleston SC
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Yup. I had the trifecta (measles, mumps, chicken pox) as did my siblings.  All 
before I was school age, so I got no relief in that regard.

-D

> On Nov 27, 2018, at 7:52 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> it is the chickenpox
> 
> The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get 
> chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines into 
> kids, or whatever the current number is.
> 
> We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big deal, 
> just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!
> 
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>> November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
>> Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of pocket
>> for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
>> of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
>> think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
>> -
>> Max (who isn't a doctor)
>> Charleston SC
>> 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

it is the chickenpox

The medico biz is sloowly coming around to see that letting kids get 
chickenpox, measles and mumps is better than shooting 60-80 vaccines 
into kids, or whatever the current number is.


We all got chickenpox and measles, and many got mumps.  It was no big 
deal, just a few days or a week out of skool for each, and that was a treat!



Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 6:26 AM
Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of 
pocket

for it. I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
-
Max (who isn't a doctor)
Charleston SC



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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On November 27, 2018 at 12:46 AM Craig via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> There was a radio station in California with the call sign KFPK ...

https://www.kpfk.org/

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[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Sounds right, but if your risk factor is high consider paying out of pocket
for it.  I do believe that a link has been established to a virus from one
of the common childhood diseases, such that if you've had measles (?? I
think?) then you are at higher risk for shingles.
-
Max (who isn't a doctor)
Charleston SC


On Tue, Nov 27, 2018 at 4:54 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Been trying to get the vaccine but insurance won’t pay for it until you
> hit 60. I guess that means you don’t get it until then, right?
>
> -D
>
>
>
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was told ins would not pay anytime.   But ins pays for any other 
vaccine.   Makes no sense to me.   I guess insco figgers they don't have 
to pay for much other than an OC if you get shingles.   I hope all those 
insco executives get shingles bad.

Of course, the company probably pays for THEM to get the vaccine

Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
November 27, 2018 at 3:53 AM
Been trying to get the vaccine but insurance won’t pay for it until 
you hit 60. I guess that means you don’t get it until then, right?


-D





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[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Been trying to get the vaccine but insurance won’t pay for it until you hit 60. 
I guess that means you don’t get it until then, right?

-D


> On Nov 26, 2018, at 10:15 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to get 
> the vaccine if you can.
> 
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
> On November 26, 2018 2:56:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>> Let me tell you a story about diagnosis by computer.
>> 
>> My younger son (30 yrs old) was not feeling well about 3 weeks back.
>> His 
>> neck was sore and he had a rash from his hair down his forehead and his
>> 
>> one eye was bothering him. We saw him on Sunday afternoon and told him 
>> that he needed to go and get it checked out and he agreed. He stopped 
>> into the clinic he normally goes to near his home and asked to see the 
>> doctor that he has seen before. That doctor was out but there was 
>> someone else that he could see. He met with a lady doctor and told her 
>> his symptoms. He said she typed his symptoms into the computer and then
>> 
>> told him he had pulled a muscle in his neck and to take some Tylenol
>> and 
>> take it easy for a few days to permit it to heal.
>> 
>> He did not feel any better that evening and when he told us what the 
>> doctor said, we told him he needed to see someone else and get another 
>> opinion. He went to the clinic I normally go to and managed to see my 
>> doctor who was doing walk in visits that day. My doctor took one look
>> at 
>> him and told him he had shingles. He gave him a prescription for 
>> antibiotics intended to prevent it from getting any worse and sent him 
>> to an eye clinic here in the city as he was concerned about it being in
>> 
>> his eye. He then went to the eye clinic where the doctor looked at it 
>> and then sent him to one of the main hospitals here to see a specialist
>> 
>> as he was concerned that his cornea was lifting. He then went to the 
>> hospital and the doctor checked him out and told him it looked to be 
>> alright but gave him his card with his cell phone number and told him
>> to 
>> call if he thought his condition was getting any worse.
>> 
>> So, he managed to see 3 good doctors within about 5 hours including 2 
>> specialists but the first woman he saw did not do him any favours by 
>> asking her computer to diagnose his problem.
>> 
>> He has pretty well recovered from the shingles but was off work for a 
>> week and still has some residual affect from it.
>> 
>> RB
>> 
>> On 26/11/2018 7:41 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown 
>>> below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional 
>>> electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how 
>>> the writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no 
>>> allowance to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?
>>> 
>>> You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.
>>> 
>>> One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:
>>> 
>>> *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more
>> accurate
>>> than human nurses.*
>>> 
>>> I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment 
>>> as directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.
>>> 
>>> Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, 
>>> only succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.
>>> 
>>> YMMV,
>>> Larry
>>> 
>>> On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
 *Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*
>>> 
>> 
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[archer75--- via Mercedes]

What they said. Shingles is dangerous and the vaccine works. Cross the border 
if you can't get it in Canada.
Gerry 

Max Dillon wrote:
> > Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to
> > get the vaccine if you can.
> 
> And there is a new, more effective shingles vaccine out, so even if you
> have had one (like I have), you should get another one.
> Craig

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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:05:16 -0500 (EST) Mitch Haley via Mercedes
 wrote:

> What's central Florida, 30' above sea level?
> Hmm, it says MCO is 96' and SFB is 55'.
> KFPK is around 890'

There was a radio station in California with the call sign KFPK ...


Craig

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On Mon, 26 Nov 2018 22:15:26 -0500 Max Dillon via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to
> get the vaccine if you can.

And there is a new, more effective shingles vaccine out, so even if you
have had one (like I have), you should get another one.


Craig

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[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I just had my second Shingrix shot.  Gotta get a flu shot later this week.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 10:16 PM Max Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to get
> the vaccine if you can.
>
> --
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
>
> On November 26, 2018 2:56:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >Let me tell you a story about diagnosis by computer.
> >
> >My younger son (30 yrs old) was not feeling well about 3 weeks back.
> >His
> >neck was sore and he had a rash from his hair down his forehead and his
> >
> >one eye was bothering him. We saw him on Sunday afternoon and told him
> >that he needed to go and get it checked out and he agreed. He stopped
> >into the clinic he normally goes to near his home and asked to see the
> >doctor that he has seen before. That doctor was out but there was
> >someone else that he could see. He met with a lady doctor and told her
> >his symptoms. He said she typed his symptoms into the computer and then
> >
> >told him he had pulled a muscle in his neck and to take some Tylenol
> >and
> >take it easy for a few days to permit it to heal.
> >
> >He did not feel any better that evening and when he told us what the
> >doctor said, we told him he needed to see someone else and get another
> >opinion. He went to the clinic I normally go to and managed to see my
> >doctor who was doing walk in visits that day. My doctor took one look
> >at
> >him and told him he had shingles. He gave him a prescription for
> >antibiotics intended to prevent it from getting any worse and sent him
> >to an eye clinic here in the city as he was concerned about it being in
> >
> >his eye. He then went to the eye clinic where the doctor looked at it
> >and then sent him to one of the main hospitals here to see a specialist
> >
> >as he was concerned that his cornea was lifting. He then went to the
> >hospital and the doctor checked him out and told him it looked to be
> >alright but gave him his card with his cell phone number and told him
> >to
> >call if he thought his condition was getting any worse.
> >
> >So, he managed to see 3 good doctors within about 5 hours including 2
> >specialists but the first woman he saw did not do him any favours by
> >asking her computer to diagnose his problem.
> >
> >He has pretty well recovered from the shingles but was off work for a
> >week and still has some residual affect from it.
> >
> >RB
> >
> >On 26/11/2018 7:41 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown
> >> below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional
> >> electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how
> >> the writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no
> >> allowance to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?
> >>
> >> You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.
> >>
> >> One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:
> >>
> >> *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more
> >accurate
> >> than human nurses.*
> >>
> >> I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment
> >> as directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.
> >>
> >> Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country,
> >> only succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.
> >>
> >> YMMV,
> >> Larry
> >>
> >> On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> *Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*
> >>
> >
> >
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[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

Shingles is NO FUN!  Sympathy to your son, and encouragement to all to get the 
vaccine if you can.

-- 
Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On November 26, 2018 2:56:02 PM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Let me tell you a story about diagnosis by computer.
>
>My younger son (30 yrs old) was not feeling well about 3 weeks back.
>His 
>neck was sore and he had a rash from his hair down his forehead and his
>
>one eye was bothering him. We saw him on Sunday afternoon and told him 
>that he needed to go and get it checked out and he agreed. He stopped 
>into the clinic he normally goes to near his home and asked to see the 
>doctor that he has seen before. That doctor was out but there was 
>someone else that he could see. He met with a lady doctor and told her 
>his symptoms. He said she typed his symptoms into the computer and then
>
>told him he had pulled a muscle in his neck and to take some Tylenol
>and 
>take it easy for a few days to permit it to heal.
>
>He did not feel any better that evening and when he told us what the 
>doctor said, we told him he needed to see someone else and get another 
>opinion. He went to the clinic I normally go to and managed to see my 
>doctor who was doing walk in visits that day. My doctor took one look
>at 
>him and told him he had shingles. He gave him a prescription for 
>antibiotics intended to prevent it from getting any worse and sent him 
>to an eye clinic here in the city as he was concerned about it being in
>
>his eye. He then went to the eye clinic where the doctor looked at it 
>and then sent him to one of the main hospitals here to see a specialist
>
>as he was concerned that his cornea was lifting. He then went to the 
>hospital and the doctor checked him out and told him it looked to be 
>alright but gave him his card with his cell phone number and told him
>to 
>call if he thought his condition was getting any worse.
>
>So, he managed to see 3 good doctors within about 5 hours including 2 
>specialists but the first woman he saw did not do him any favours by 
>asking her computer to diagnose his problem.
>
>He has pretty well recovered from the shingles but was off work for a 
>week and still has some residual affect from it.
>
>RB
>
>On 26/11/2018 7:41 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
>> Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown 
>> below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional 
>> electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how 
>> the writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no 
>> allowance to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?
>>
>> You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.
>>
>> One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:
>>
>> *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more
>accurate
>> than human nurses.*
>>
>> I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment 
>> as directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.
>>
>> Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, 
>> only succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.
>>
>> YMMV,
>> Larry
>>
>> On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>>> *Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*
>>
>
>
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

What's central Florida, 30' above sea level?
Hmm, it says MCO is 96' and SFB is 55'.
KFPK is around 890', so there's a little bit of climbing involved. 
But I still got 28mpg driving the W116 home from the coast at Port Charlotte. 
Mitch. 

> On November 26, 2018 at 9:06 PM OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> But what if you wanted to go back from FL - uphill the whole way?
>

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

But what if you wanted to go back from FL - uphill the whole way?

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 7:59 PM Mitch Haley via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When I first heard about the Volt, I figured it was the worst of both
> worlds.
> Worse fuel economy than a Cruze on the hwy running on gas, not enough
> battery range to be a viable electric car.
>
> But in talking to people who own them, it works in practice. They charge
> it up when they're home, let it run in hybrid mode when it's low on charge,
> and even with some extra running on the gas engine just to keep it active
> they get over 200mpg not counting the cost of electricity.
> Even on a long trip, like 1200 miles to Florida, I bet I could get over 45
> miles per gallon in a 2nd generation Volt. Run electric for the first 50
> miles, let it recharge some on the downhills in Kentucky and Tennessee, and
> finish with the battery at 20%.
>
> Mitch.
>
> > On November 26, 2018 at 7:57 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Plug in cars are great for markets like Seattle and other clogged road
> urban areas.   The things will not need to power while they are trapped in
> gridlocked highways or city street.   They will not get you where you want
> any faster than a petrol car.
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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

When I first heard about the Volt, I figured it was the worst of both worlds. 
Worse fuel economy than a Cruze on the hwy running on gas, not enough battery 
range to be a viable electric car. 

But in talking to people who own them, it works in practice. They charge it up 
when they're home, let it run in hybrid mode when it's low on charge, and even 
with some extra running on the gas engine just to keep it active they get over 
200mpg not counting the cost of electricity. 
Even on a long trip, like 1200 miles to Florida, I bet I could get over 45 
miles per gallon in a 2nd generation Volt. Run electric for the first 50 miles, 
let it recharge some on the downhills in Kentucky and Tennessee, and finish 
with the battery at 20%.

Mitch. 

> On November 26, 2018 at 7:57 PM clay monroe via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Plug in cars are great for markets like Seattle and other clogged road urban 
> areas.   The things will not need to power while they are trapped in 
> gridlocked highways or city street.   They will not get you where you want 
> any faster than a petrol car.

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Socialized medicine will almost always default to the least cost method, no 
matter if it actually results in  effective care.  Healthcare is a business 
now, not a calling.  Probably related to young doctors who are have little 
exposure to real v. book knowing.

Just my $0.02 from watching the rapid decline in medical care my 89 year old 
mother received since 2008.  The old school docs have cashed out, selling to 
conglomerates and bottom line.

clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Nov 26, 2018, at 11:56 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Let me tell you a story about diagnosis by computer.
> 
> My younger son (30 yrs old) was not feeling well about 3 weeks back. His neck 
> was sore and he had a rash from his hair down his forehead and his one eye 
> was bothering him. We saw him on Sunday afternoon and told him that he needed 
> to go and get it checked out and he agreed. He stopped into the clinic he 
> normally goes to near his home and asked to see the doctor that he has seen 
> before. That doctor was out but there was someone else that he could see. He 
> met with a lady doctor and told her his symptoms. He said she typed his 
> symptoms into the computer and then told him he had pulled a muscle in his 
> neck and to take some Tylenol and take it easy for a few days to permit it to 
> heal.
> 
> He did not feel any better that evening and when he told us what the doctor 
> said, we told him he needed to see someone else and get another opinion. He 
> went to the clinic I normally go to and managed to see my doctor who was 
> doing walk in visits that day. My doctor took one look at him and told him he 
> had shingles. He gave him a prescription for antibiotics intended to prevent 
> it from getting any worse and sent him to an eye clinic here in the city as 
> he was concerned about it being in his eye. He then went to the eye clinic 
> where the doctor looked at it and then sent him to one of the main hospitals 
> here to see a specialist as he was concerned that his cornea was lifting. He 
> then went to the hospital and the doctor checked him out and told him it 
> looked to be alright but gave him his card with his cell phone number and 
> told him to call if he thought his condition was getting any worse.
> 
> So, he managed to see 3 good doctors within about 5 hours including 2 
> specialists but the first woman he saw did not do him any favours by asking 
> her computer to diagnose his problem.
> 
> He has pretty well recovered from the shingles but was off work for a week 
> and still has some residual affect from it.
> 
> RB

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[clay monroe via Mercedes]

Plug in cars are great for markets like Seattle and other clogged road urban 
areas.   The things will not need to power while they are trapped in gridlocked 
highways or city street.   They will not get you where you want any faster than 
a petrol car.  

I can make it the five miles to downtown in 20 minutes on a really good day.  
If (always) traffic is at a standstill, it takes 45 minutes to an hour and a 
half.  Fuel gets burnt hoping somebody will be able to move a few feet.  The 
plug in car will end up sucking electrons for just as long in traffic to run 
the AC and other gewgaws keeping the occupants distracted.

We are getting no new power plants and the stupid greenie idiots want to take 
out the Snake River dams.  I am not sure what energy those produce.  I know the 
Elwah and one out of Skamania County did make electrons for our grid.  Both are 
now gone, so the fishies are safe for the Norther Pike to gobble down 
anadromous salmons.  We may have another forest of bestilled wind turbines 
being planted in the coming decades.  I think the one out in Eastern Washington 
SWMBA got a permit for ten years ago is finally coming online.


clay monroe
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> On Nov 26, 2018, at 5:41 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown below 
> and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional electricity needed 
> to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how the writer claims huge 
> additional electric demands, yet makes no allowance to generate that power.  
> Or maybe I missed it?
> 
> You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.
> 
> One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:
> 
> *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
> than human nurses.*
> 
> I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment as 
> directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.
> 
> Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, only 
> succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.
> 
> YMMV,
> Larry
> 
> On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:
>> *Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*
> 
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[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Let me tell you a story about diagnosis by computer.

My younger son (30 yrs old) was not feeling well about 3 weeks back. His 
neck was sore and he had a rash from his hair down his forehead and his 
one eye was bothering him. We saw him on Sunday afternoon and told him 
that he needed to go and get it checked out and he agreed. He stopped 
into the clinic he normally goes to near his home and asked to see the 
doctor that he has seen before. That doctor was out but there was 
someone else that he could see. He met with a lady doctor and told her 
his symptoms. He said she typed his symptoms into the computer and then 
told him he had pulled a muscle in his neck and to take some Tylenol and 
take it easy for a few days to permit it to heal.


He did not feel any better that evening and when he told us what the 
doctor said, we told him he needed to see someone else and get another 
opinion. He went to the clinic I normally go to and managed to see my 
doctor who was doing walk in visits that day. My doctor took one look at 
him and told him he had shingles. He gave him a prescription for 
antibiotics intended to prevent it from getting any worse and sent him 
to an eye clinic here in the city as he was concerned about it being in 
his eye. He then went to the eye clinic where the doctor looked at it 
and then sent him to one of the main hospitals here to see a specialist 
as he was concerned that his cornea was lifting. He then went to the 
hospital and the doctor checked him out and told him it looked to be 
alright but gave him his card with his cell phone number and told him to 
call if he thought his condition was getting any worse.


So, he managed to see 3 good doctors within about 5 hours including 2 
specialists but the first woman he saw did not do him any favours by 
asking her computer to diagnose his problem.


He has pretty well recovered from the shingles but was off work for a 
week and still has some residual affect from it.


RB

On 26/11/2018 7:41 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes wrote:
Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown 
below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional 
electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how 
the writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no 
allowance to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?


You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.

One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:

*Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
than human nurses.*

I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment 
as directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.


Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, 
only succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.


YMMV,
Larry

On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

*Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*





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[G Mann via Mercedes]

There are TWO types of people in the world today.

1. The academic, who only walks on concrete, lives in a people dense city,
who thinks his/her/its' view of the world is the only correct thought
possible.

2. The rest of the world, who walks on dirt, grows things planted and
nurtured by hard labor and sweat, lives in a low people dense area, and
actually sees the stars in the sky at night, instead of glaring electric
light.

Good comment: Batteries how do you store all this solar energy, car
energy, and electric tractors?
Apparently, Mr. Self Appointed Genius, failed to think it through to the
end... in many.ways.

On Mon, Nov 26, 2018 at 8:04 AM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:53:13 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > I sincerely hope most of this is wrong and will soon dissolve into its
> > own uncertainty.  I was in the computer world in the early 80's and saw
> > all the predictions and forecasts as to how computers would replace
> > everything we know and "help us" to do everything.
>
> What about the batteries?
>
> Also,
>
>
> https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/24/solar-cycle-update-for-november-2018-warmth-sticking-around-or-cooling-ahead/
>
> and,
>
>
> http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/we-are-going-from-global-warming-to-a-mini-ice-age/
>
>
> Craig
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Sun, 25 Nov 2018 09:53:13 -0500 (EST) ROGER HALE via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I sincerely hope most of this is wrong and will soon dissolve into its
> own uncertainty.  I was in the computer world in the early 80's and saw
> all the predictions and forecasts as to how computers would replace
> everything we know and "help us" to do everything.

What about the batteries?

Also,

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/11/24/solar-cycle-update-for-november-2018-warmth-sticking-around-or-cooling-ahead/

and,

http://www.capoliticalreview.com/capoliticalnewsandviews/we-are-going-from-global-warming-to-a-mini-ice-age/


Craig

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Yeah, I caught that "nurses diagnose" claptrap.   I let it slide 
before.   Obviously TInkerbelle, the author, doesn't know much about how 
the world works.   Unfortunately, the current crop of editors is just as 
ignorant, and believe this claptrap.   Once it hits the internet, it 
becomes "fact" to them and to at least 40-60% of the population.



Larry Turner via Mercedes 
November 26, 2018 at 7:41 AM
Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown 
below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional 
electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how 
the writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no 
allowance to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?


You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.

One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:

*Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
than human nurses.*

I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment 
as directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.


Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, 
only succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.


YMMV,
Larry





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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

>  >  *Coal industries will go away.


If there is no coal, and a HUGE increase in electric demand, and
no nuclear is being build - where will the electricity come from?
Tinkerbelle, the author of this claptrap, will wave a majik wand and the 
'lektrojuiceity will come from pixie dust!



>  >  Gasoline/oil companies will go away. Drilling for oil will
>  >  stop. So, say goodbye to OPEC!*


Domestic oil drilling is not OPEC anyway.  And there is a LOT of
industries that use coal and oil that is NOT the consumer car.
I really don't think train and ship can effectively be re-fitted
with plug-in electric.  Maybe the author is expecting the return
of tall ships.  A 4 masted square rigged, steel hulled vessel can
transport a lot of freight.  I'm not sure it fits well with
shipping containers, though.

Or plug-in electric tractors?  I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm
saying it's not "just around the corner" as this author suggests.
The author seems to be aware only of "cars" and "the road I drive
on to work".  The world is bigger than that.
The USA, by producing, has already trumped OPEC.   If it was not for the 
goobermnt wanting to preserve the house of Saud, OPEC would be history.



>  >  *Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during
>  >  the day and then they use and will sell it back to the grid.


Err.  Right.  Maybe back when there was a refrigerator and a
couple light bulbs.
Not so long as the power companies exist.  The last thing they want is 
distributed uncontrolled production.  They have fought, and will 
continue to fight, "sell it back to the grid"  Just ask Manfred how easy 
it is to "sell it back to the grid."  "The man" wants to dictate the 
price of power so that the serfs are at a level of pain.  (to use the 
-ist terminology)


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[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Your response to the need for coal also applies to the comment shown 
below and I didn't see any way to generate the huge additional 
electricity needed to recharge batteries.  I am totally baffled how the 
writer claims huge additional electric demands, yet makes no allowance 
to generate that power.  Or maybe I missed it?


You provided an awesome rebuttal!  I love the point by point format.

One more point needs to be addressed IMHO, he wrote:

*Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
than human nurses.*

I'm pretty sure Doctors do the diagnosing.  Nurses provide treatment as 
directed by doctors and doctors order tests then interpret them.

Also, I predict self driving cars will fail in most of the country, only 
succeeding in high density urban areas IMNSHO.

YMMV,
Larry

On 11/26/2018 2:40 AM, fmiser via Mercedes wrote:

*Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*


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> archer75--- wrote:

> > *Auto repair shops will go away.*
> > *A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical
> > motor has 20.

> > It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric
> > motor.

> > Your electric motor malfunction light goes on, so you drive up
> > to what looks like a Jiffy-auto wash, and your car is towed
> > through while you have a cup of coffee and out comes your car
> > with a new electric motor!*

Perfect.  Now - how many problems do we have with cars that are
NOT the engine.  Those will still need a "normal" mechanic.  If
the engine were perfect, there is still a lot to repair...

The rest of the article is just as mis-guided.

> > *Gas stations will go away. Parking meters will be replaced by
> > meters that dispense electricity.

The job of a parking meter and the job of a fuel supply store are
NOT the same.  The one cannot functionally replace the other.

> > *Most (the smart) major auto manufacturers have already
> > designated money to start building new plants that only build
> > electric cars.*

Red herring.  I think there are manufacturers that have plants
that build only pickups.  That does not mean pickups are destined
to be the only vehicle on the road.

> > *Coal industries will go away. 

If there is no coal, and a HUGE increase in electric demand, and
no nuclear is being build - where will the electricity come from?

> > Gasoline/oil companies will go away. Drilling for oil will
> > stop. So, say goodbye to OPEC!*

Domestic oil drilling is not OPEC anyway.  And there is a LOT of
industries that use coal and oil that is NOT the consumer car.  
I really don't think train and ship can effectively be re-fitted
with plug-in electric.  Maybe the author is expecting the return
of tall ships.  A 4 masted square rigged, steel hulled vessel can
transport a lot of freight.  I'm not sure it fits well with
shipping containers, though.

Or plug-in electric tractors?  I'm not saying it won't happen, I'm
saying it's not "just around the corner" as this author suggests.
The author seems to be aware only of "cars" and "the road I drive
on to work".  The world is bigger than that.

> > *Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during
> > the day and then they use and will sell it back to the grid.

Err.  Right.  Maybe back when there was a refrigerator and a
couple light bulbs.

> > The grid stores it and dispenses it to industries that are
> > high electricity users.

The _grid_ stores it?  Oops.

> > *A baby of today will only see personal cars in museums.*

At the top it's predicted our personal cars will get a new
electric motor as a way to repair the steering, brakes, HVAC, and
door locks.  Now we find out there won't be personal cars.  It
seems to me many cities have tried to promote that and nearly all
have failed miserably and are now living on tax welfare.
 
> > *In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all
> > photo paper worldwide. Within just a few years, their business
> > model disappeared, and they went bankrupt.

Canon, builder of some of the better film cameras is now the
builder of some of the better non-film cameras.  So one company
got stiff and couldn't change with the market.  There are others
that have.  

Time is change.  Always has been - always will be.

> > *Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most
> > traditional industries in the next 5-10 years.*

It's not software that is causing the disruption.  It is _service_
that is facilitated by software.  That's my observation, anyway.

> > *UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and
> > are now the biggest taxi company in the world!*
> > 
> > *Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.*

See.  Service.  
 
> > *Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world,
> > although they don't own any properties.*
> > 
> > *Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.*

Again, service.

> > You won't want to own a car anymore as you will call a car
> > with your phone, it will show up at your location and drive
> > you to your destination. You will not need to park it you will
> > only pay for the driven distance and you can be productive
> > while driving. 

Doesn't this already exist with taxis?  And yet taxis are still a
_tiny_ minority of the cars on the road.

> > *This will change our cities, because we will need 90-95%
> > fewer cars. We can transform former parking spaces into parks.*

Taxi service can do this already - and isn't.  
 
> > *Electricity will become incredibly cheap and clean.*

Electricity is already pretty clean.  It's the generating of
electricity that may not be so "clean".  
 
> > *WELCOME TO TOMORROW – it arrived a few years ago.*

And it's not all that different than today.  Sure it's changing.
And in un-predicted ways.  Always has. Always will. 

And so long as there are people, they will be irrational,
illogical, independent, and as a whole, rather stupid.  Always has
been. Always will be.  But all this tech

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[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Years ago son, who is a mfg. rep. bought several shares of stock from an 
engineer who worked for a manufacturer that was a good customer. His personal 
design was for a "train" that got "sucked" through a vacuum "tube" at high 
speed from city to city. We laughed about it at the time.
Now, years later, such a "train" is being built from LA to Frisco. Whether it's 
successful or not is beside the point. His idea was technically proven out in 
trials such that billions are being spent to build one from LA to Frisco.
Gerry


OK Don wrote:
> Like most prophecies, some will come true, some won't, and wildcards will
> come out of now where and throw everything out of kilter.
 
> On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 2:38 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > > Food for Thought
> >
> > > *Auto repair shops will go away.*
> > > *A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has
> > 20.
> > > Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are only repaired by
> > > dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric
> > motor.
> > > Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent
> > to a
> > > regional repair shop that repairs them with robots. Your electric motor
> > > malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a
> > Jiffy-auto
> > > wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and
> > out
> > > comes your car with a new electric motor!*
> >
> > > *Gas stations will go away. Parking meters will be replaced by meters
> > that
> > > dispense electricity.  Companies will install electrical recharging
> > > stations; in fact, they’ve already started. You can find them at select
> > > Dunkin Donuts locations.*
> >
> > > *Most (the smart) major auto manufacturers have already designated money
> > to
> > > start building new plants that only build electric cars.*
> >
> > > *Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away.
> > > Drilling for oil will stop. So, say goodbye to OPEC!*
> >
> > > *Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during the day and
> > > then they use and will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores it and
> > > dispenses it to industries that are high electricity users. Has anybody
> > > seen the Tesla roof?*
> >
> > > *A baby of today will only see personal cars in museums.*
> >
> > > *The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.*
> >
> > > *In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
> > > worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared, and
> > > they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?*
> >
> > > *What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next
> > 5-10
> > > years and, most people don't see it coming.*
> >
> > > *Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you would never take pictures
> > > on film again? With today’s smart phones, who even has a camera these
> > days?*
> >
> > > *Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had
> > 10,000
> > > pixels but followed Moore's law.  So as with all exponential
> > technologies,
> > > it was a disappointment for a time, before it became way superior and
> > > became mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen again
> > (but
> > > much faster) with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and
> > electric
> > > cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs.*
> >
> > > *Forget the book, “Future Shock”, welcome to the 4th Industrial
> > Revolution.*
> >
> > > *Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional
> > > industries in the next 5-10 years.*
> >
> > > *UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
> > > biggest taxi company in the world!*
> > >
> > > *Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.*
> >
> > > *Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they
> > don't
> > > own any properties.*
> > >
> > > *Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.*
> >
> > > *Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
> > > understanding the world.*
> > >
> > > *This year, a computer beat the best Go-player in the world, 10 years
> > > earlier than expected.*
> >
> > > *In the USA, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM’s
> > Watson,
> > > you can get legal advice (so far for right now, the basic stuff) within
> > > seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by
> > humans.
> > > So, if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer lawyers
> > in
> > > the future, (what a thought!) only omniscient specialists will remain.*
> >
> > > *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
> > > than human nurses.*
> >
> > > *Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces
> > > better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more intelligent 

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[OK Don via Mercedes]

Like most prophecies, some will come true, some won't, and wildcards will
come out of now where and throw everything out of kilter.

On Sun, Nov 25, 2018 at 2:38 AM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
> > Food for Thought
>
> > *Auto repair shops will go away.*
> > *A gasoline engine has 20,000 individual parts. An electrical motor has
> 20.
> > Electric cars are sold with lifetime guarantees and are only repaired by
> > dealers. It takes only 10 minutes to remove and replace an electric
> motor.
> > Faulty electric motors are not repaired in the dealership but are sent
> to a
> > regional repair shop that repairs them with robots. Your electric motor
> > malfunction light goes on, so you drive up to what looks like a
> Jiffy-auto
> > wash, and your car is towed through while you have a cup of coffee and
> out
> > comes your car with a new electric motor!*
>
> > *Gas stations will go away. Parking meters will be replaced by meters
> that
> > dispense electricity.  Companies will install electrical recharging
> > stations; in fact, they’ve already started. You can find them at select
> > Dunkin Donuts locations.*
>
> > *Most (the smart) major auto manufacturers have already designated money
> to
> > start building new plants that only build electric cars.*
>
> > *Coal industries will go away. Gasoline/oil companies will go away.
> > Drilling for oil will stop. So, say goodbye to OPEC!*
>
> > *Homes will produce and store more electrical energy during the day and
> > then they use and will sell it back to the grid. The grid stores it and
> > dispenses it to industries that are high electricity users. Has anybody
> > seen the Tesla roof?*
>
> > *A baby of today will only see personal cars in museums.*
>
> > *The FUTURE is approaching faster than most of us can handle.*
>
> > *In 1998, Kodak had 170,000 employees and sold 85% of all photo paper
> > worldwide. Within just a few years, their business model disappeared, and
> > they went bankrupt. Who would have thought of that ever happening?*
>
> > *What happened to Kodak will happen in a lot of industries in the next
> 5-10
> > years and, most people don't see it coming.*
>
> > *Did you think in 1998 that 3 years later, you would never take pictures
> > on film again? With today’s smart phones, who even has a camera these
> days?*
>
> > *Yet digital cameras were invented in 1975. The first ones only had
> 10,000
> > pixels but followed Moore's law.  So as with all exponential
> technologies,
> > it was a disappointment for a time, before it became way superior and
> > became mainstream in only a few short years. It will now happen again
> (but
> > much faster) with Artificial Intelligence, health, autonomous and
> electric
> > cars, education, 3D printing, agriculture and jobs.*
>
> > *Forget the book, “Future Shock”, welcome to the 4th Industrial
> Revolution.*
>
> > *Software has disrupted and will continue to disrupt most traditional
> > industries in the next 5-10 years.*
>
> > *UBER is just a software tool, they don't own any cars, and are now the
> > biggest taxi company in the world!*
> >
> > *Ask any taxi driver if they saw that coming.*
>
> > *Airbnb is now the biggest hotel company in the world, although they
> don't
> > own any properties.*
> >
> > *Ask Hilton Hotels if they saw that coming.*
>
> > *Artificial Intelligence: Computers become exponentially better in
> > understanding the world.*
> >
> > *This year, a computer beat the best Go-player in the world, 10 years
> > earlier than expected.*
>
> > *In the USA, young lawyers already don't get jobs. Because of IBM’s
> Watson,
> > you can get legal advice (so far for right now, the basic stuff) within
> > seconds, with 90% accuracy compared with 70% accuracy when done by
> humans.
> > So, if you study law, stop immediately. There will be 90% fewer lawyers
> in
> > the future, (what a thought!) only omniscient specialists will remain.*
>
> > *Watson already helps nurses diagnosing cancer, its 4 times more accurate
> > than human nurses.*
>
> > *Facebook now has a pattern recognition software that can recognize faces
> > better than humans. In 2030, computers will become more intelligent than
> > humans.*
>
> > *Autonomous cars: In 2018 the first self-driving cars are already here.
> In
> > the next 2 years, the entire industry will start to be disrupted. You
> won't
> > want to own a car anymore as you will call a car with your phone, it will
> > show up at your location and drive you to your destination. You will not
> > need to park it you will only pay for the driven distance and you can be
> > productive while driving. The very young children of today will never
> get a
> > driver's license and will never own a car.*
>
> > *This will change our cities, because we will need 90-95% fewer cars. We
> > can transform former parking spaces into parks.*
>
> > *1.2 million people die each year in car accidents worldwide including
> > distracted or drunk driving. We now have one

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Pogo sez:   I have read 1984, and it is here!


ROGER HALE via Mercedes 
November 25, 2018 at 8:53 AM
I sincerely hope most of this is wrong and will soon dissolve into its 
own uncertainty. I was in the computer world in the early 80's and saw 
all the predictions and forecasts as to how computers would replace 
everything we know and "help us" to do everything. Artificial 
intelligence would be our savior. All of this has not made us a better 
society, but rather, has contributed to our social demise. Computers 
will never replace the human brain. Yes, they can be faster, but 
faster is not always better. This is only my opinion and views. But I 
hope we can save ourselves before computers destroy our future. 
Remember, the original intent of computers was to do repetitive tasks 
faster and with less error and to access information faster than 
humans. Personally, I don't think they will ever be able to "replace" 
the human brain or human memory.


I wish you all a safe and Happy Holidays,

Roger

Roger Hale
Dinnerware Classics, Inc.
Monroe, Ga.
770-267-0850
www.dinnerwareclassics.com
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[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Ok

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2018, at 8:53 AM, ROGER HALE via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I sincerely hope most of this is wrong and will soon dissolve into its own 
> uncertainty.  I was in the computer world in the early 80's and saw all the 
> predictions and forecasts as to how computers would replace everything we 
> know and "help us" to do everything.  Artificial intelligence would be our 
> savior.  All of this has not made us a better society, but rather, has 
> contributed to our social demise.  Computers will never replace the human 
> brain.  Yes, they can be faster, but faster is not always better.  This is 
> only my opinion and views.  But I hope we can save ourselves before computers 
> destroy our future.  Remember, the original intent of computers was to do 
> repetitive tasks faster and with less error and to access information faster 
> than humans.  Personally, I don't think they will ever be able to "replace" 
> the human brain or human memory.
> 
> I wish you all a safe and Happy Holidays,
> 
> Roger
> 
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[Craig via Mercedes]

On Thu, 11 Aug 2016 15:04:40 + (UTC) Curt Raymond via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Winston sure could turn a phrase.
> "Mr. Churchill if you were my husband I should give you a glass of
> poison.""Madam if I were your husband I should drink it." -Curt

"That is something up with which I will not put."


Craig

>   From: Fred Moir 
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>  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:45 AM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment
>
> #yiv0987511999 #yiv0987511999 -- P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}
> ##yiv0987511999  “I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on
> ##us. Pigs treat us as equals.” W. S. Churchill.
> 
> Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.
> 
> From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt
> Raymond via Mercedes  Sent: 11 August 2016 14:26
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Curt Raymond
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment Another reason to like British
> Parliament "The right honorable gentleman from Cornwall is an assho..."
> -Curt
> > arrested and tried for treason (hoping he'd be hanged).  None of this
> > subtle, cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff.
> 
> 
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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Winston sure could turn a phrase.
"Mr. Churchill if you were my husband I should give you a glass of 
poison.""Madam if I were your husband I should drink it."
-Curt

  From: Fred Moir 
 To: Curt Raymond ; Mercedes Discussion List 
 
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 10:45 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment
   
#yiv0987511999 #yiv0987511999 -- P 
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}#yiv0987511999  “I like pigs. Dogs look up to 
us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” W. S. Churchill.

Fred Moir.Lynn MA.Diesel preferred.

From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 11 August 2016 14:26
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment Another reason to like British 
Parliament "The right honorable gentleman from Cornwall is an assho..."
-Curt
> arrested and tried for treason (hoping he'd be hanged).  None of this
> subtle, cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff.




  
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[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

 "I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as 
equals." W. S. Churchill.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Curt Raymond via 
Mercedes 
Sent: 11 August 2016 14:26
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Curt Raymond
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

Another reason to like British Parliament "The right honorable gentleman from 
Cornwall is an assho..."
-Curt
> arrested and tried for treason (hoping he'd be hanged).  None of this
> subtle, cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff.


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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Another reason to like British Parliament "The right honorable gentleman from 
Cornwall is an assho..."
-Curt

  From: G Mann via Mercedes 
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Cc: G Mann 
 Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2016 1:37 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment
   
And,, in the good old days, there used to be sword fights on the floor of
Congress..

Much more entertaining... to bad they did not have CSPAN back then..



On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:41 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
> Politics is so tame these days.  After all, Thomas Jefferson had his own VP
> arrested and tried for treason (hoping he'd be hanged).  None of this
> subtle, cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff.
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And,, in the good old days, there used to be sword fights on the floor of
Congress..

Much more entertaining... to bad they did not have CSPAN back then..



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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

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>
> Politics is so tame these days.  After all, Thomas Jefferson had his own VP
> arrested and tried for treason (hoping he'd be hanged).  None of this
> subtle, cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff.
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[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Politics is so tame these days.  After all, Thomas Jefferson had his own VP
arrested and tried for treason (hoping he'd be hanged).  None of this
subtle, cloak-and-dagger behind the scenes stuff.


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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 10, 2016 at 4:21 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I thought that was huma mislum brudda-hood where's-my-weiner?  Is that 
> the same one as huma Danger?

http://nypost.com/2016/01/25/a-long-hard-look-into-anthony-weiners-downfall/

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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I didn't think she had any more "leisure activities" after she offed vinnie.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 3:25 PM
Yes, Mrs. Carlos Danger == Humma Weiner, one and the same, she of the 
3 simultaneous full-time jobs, H->'s body man, er, woman, and keeper 
of the meds, schedule, pick-me-ups, and organizer of leisure activities.


--FT




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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yes, Mrs. Carlos Danger == Humma Weiner, one and the same, she of the 3 
simultaneous full-time jobs, H->'s body man, er, woman, and keeper of 
the meds, schedule, pick-me-ups, and organizer of leisure activities.


--FT


On 8/10/16 4:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I thought that was huma mislum brudda-hood where's-my-weiner?  Is that 
the same one as huma Danger?



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM
More emails between the Clinton Crime Family Foundation and it's 
wholly-owned subsidiary the US Dept of State.  They were some of 
those 30k that were about yoga and wedding plans.  oops wait, no they 
weren't -- Huma Danger and the lawyer hacked them up.


Looking forward to the "clarifications" on the previous 
"clarifications" on the previous...


--FT




Mountain Man via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 2:26 PM

Yep - that is becoming obvious daily.
mao

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Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 1:15 PM
Hillary is ready to keel over any day, anyway. Need to take a real 
close look at that Kaine fellow. He will end up POTUS. DJT was just 
hired to run so H-> could win. Look for one of his kids to run for 
Senate or something next election cycle or so. That was probably the 
deal.


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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I thought that was huma mislum brudda-hood where's-my-weiner?  Is that 
the same one as huma Danger?



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 3:06 PM
More emails between the Clinton Crime Family Foundation and it's 
wholly-owned subsidiary the US Dept of State.  They were some of those 
30k that were about yoga and wedding plans.  oops wait, no they 
weren't -- Huma Danger and the lawyer hacked them up.


Looking forward to the "clarifications" on the previous 
"clarifications" on the previous...


--FT




Mountain Man via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 2:26 PM

Yep - that is becoming obvious daily.
mao

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Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 1:15 PM
Hillary is ready to keel over any day, anyway. Need to take a real 
close look at that Kaine fellow. He will end up POTUS. DJT was just 
hired to run so H-> could win. Look for one of his kids to run for 
Senate or something next election cycle or so. That was probably the deal.


Rick
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

More emails between the Clinton Crime Family Foundation and it's 
wholly-owned subsidiary the US Dept of State.  They were some of those 
30k that were about yoga and wedding plans.  oops wait, no they weren't 
-- Huma Danger and the lawyer hacked them up.


Looking forward to the "clarifications" on the previous "clarifications" 
on the previous...


--FT


On 8/10/16 3:26 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes wrote:

Rick wrote:

...DJT was just hired to run so H-> could win.

Yep - that is becoming obvious daily.
mao

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[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

A friend posted on Facebook today that maybe the Donald is acting increasingly 
crazy to throw the election on purpose. Maybe he's realized that he doesn't 
actually want to be president (what sane person would?) but his ego won't let 
him quit so he acts increasingly nuts until he loses at which point he can crow 
about how its a rigged process.
I dunno, just thought it was an interesting theory.
-Curt

  From: Rick Knoble via Mercedes 
 To: Mountain Man via Mercedes  
Cc: Rick Knoble 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2016 3:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment
   
DG sez:

>‎Let me clarify.
>D = The Donald.
>Does conspiracy say any deths >near The Donald?

I would guess, most of the people surrounding him have become more wealthy 
because of the association, as opposed to having less time alive. ‎There is a 
definitely different mindset between community organizers, career politicians, 
and self made billionaires. 

What can you do for me, or what can I take from them to give to myself and 
maybe you, as opposed to what service can I render to the most people, to 
benefit them, which in turn will benefit me, and those in my association. Kind 
of like Mercedes policy of giving away safety technologies that could be 
licensed for a fee. Helping others, has in turn helped them in several ways, by 
publicly demonstrating their commitment to safety, and also by building a loyal 
consumer base.

Rick 
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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

DG sez:

>‎Let me clarify.
>D = The Donald.
>Does conspiracy say any deths >near The Donald?

I would guess, most of the people surrounding him have become more wealthy 
because of the association, as opposed to having less time alive. ‎There is a 
definitely different mindset between community organizers, career politicians, 
and self made billionaires. 

What can you do for me, or what can I take from them to give to myself and 
maybe you, as opposed to what service can I render to the most people, to 
benefit them, which in turn will benefit me, and those in my association. Kind 
of like Mercedes policy of giving away safety technologies that could be 
licensed for a fee. Helping others, has in turn helped them in several ways, by 
publicly demonstrating their commitment to safety, and also by building a loyal 
consumer base.

Rick 
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[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Rick wrote:
> ...DJT was just hired to run so H-> could win.

Yep - that is becoming obvious daily.
mao

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[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Curley wrote:
> The witch was the fixer for billybo's many screwups.

Let me clarify.
D = The Donald.
Does conspiracy say any deths near The Donald?
mao

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[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Mitch wrote:
> 
> Basically, they train to execute anybody holding a gun who isn't
> in uniform,

is a security guard uniform safe?  Anyone can wear that, right?

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[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

Hillary is ready to keel over any day, anyway. Need to take a real close look 
at that Kaine fellow. He will end up POTUS. DJT was just hired to run so H-> 
could win. Look for one of his kids to run for Senate or something next 
election cycle or so. That was probably the deal.

Rick 
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

The witch was the fixer for billybo's many screwups.  A long trail of 
bodies in her wake.  Actually 3 people were bumped off after the emails 
were obtained by the leak company.


Working for the DNC is hazardous to your health.  I'd not be surprised 
if debbie blabbermouth joins the long list at some point.



Mountain Man via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 11:08 AM
Conspiracy sez that H is complicit in 40-years of suspicious deaths
near her. - Including the most recent party guy named Seth, in DC.

Does conspiracy say any deaths near D?
mao



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[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Conspiracy sez that H is complicit in 40-years of suspicious deaths
near her. - Including the most recent party guy named Seth, in DC.

Does conspiracy say any deaths near D?
mao

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[G Mann via Mercedes]

Go Green... recycle and repurpose... Post every election cycle smart
shooters collect the lawn signs for the various candidates and re-purpose
them. Because they stick in the ground nicely and have a piece of semi
rigid plastic attached, they make a perfect holder for paper targets.

Responsible Shooters keep their gun range clean and tidy. Having a wire
frame backstop that is made to stick in the ground is a handy way to do
that. It doesn't matter what was advertised on the re-purposed sign.

The Hopolophobic crowd, however, chooses to make it some kind of "personal
assault by proxy"... more "liberal logic" I suppose.

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> I dunno.  Executing tyrants IS what the 2A is all about, so...  ;)
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[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

And since the CCF has proved that the laws don't apply to "leaders"  
(39th amendment) Trump can say "What difference does it make at this 
point?" and that SHOULD be the end of it.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 9:02 AM
He could claim he was just out for an evening stroll and saw a youtube 
video on his phone that incited him to do that.  Then the SS could go 
after whoever made the video and caused that to happen.  That should 
be sufficient resolution to the matter.


--FT





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[M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes]

I dunno.  Executing tyrants IS what the 2A is all about, so...  ;)
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[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

He could claim he was just out for an evening stroll and saw a youtube 
video on his phone that incited him to do that.  Then the SS could go 
after whoever made the video and caused that to happen.  That should be 
sufficient resolution to the matter.


--FT


On 8/10/16 9:50 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:

One of my friends on Facebook is hopping ass mad (Maine term) over this one. I 
can't really blame him. If some wacko takes a pop at Hillary does Trump bear a 
portion of blame?
Of course this is the candidate that not long ago claimed he could shoot 
somebody and his poll numbers would go up.
-Curt

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  Subject: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment



  WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday, Trump 
remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about the 
prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.

The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP presidential 
nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on Tuesday, which appeared to some 
a thinly-veiled quip about threatening Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton with gun 
violence.

It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political history -- 
investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.

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[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

> On August 10, 2016 at 9:50 AM Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Of course this is the candidate that not long ago claimed he could shoot
> somebody and his poll numbers would go up.

Which says more about the polls than it does about the candidate. 
But it does provide more evidence that the candidate doesn't have that dignified
regal bearing of a world leader. (but neither does the vicious witch who's
running against him, at least the SS doesn't use the Trump security detail as
punishment work)

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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

One of my friends on Facebook is hopping ass mad (Maine term) over this one. I 
can't really blame him. If some wacko takes a pop at Hillary does Trump bear a 
portion of blame?
Of course this is the candidate that not long ago claimed he could shoot 
somebody and his poll numbers would go up.
-Curt

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 WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday, Trump 
remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about the 
prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.

The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP presidential 
nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on Tuesday, which 
appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening Democratic nominee 
Hillary Clinton with gun violence.

It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political history -- 
investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.

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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Note how the sheriff candidate seems to have insinuated that the H->
cut-out cardboard thing should be used for target practice, and the D party
response twists that around to mean something completely different (H->
should be used for target practice).

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:09 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Looks a local candidate (who is expected to become the next sheriff) gave
> Facebook members the wrong impression too:
> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
> "County Democratic leaders are in an uproar over a Facebook post made by a
> candidate for sheriff of Citrus County insinuating that a cardboard cutout
> of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton be used for “target
> practice.” (See cutout on link.)
>
> On Sunday, Michael Klyap Jr. shared an Aug. 5 photo from the Citrus County
> FL Democrats Facebook page featuring the Clinton standee. The post was
> advertising the availability of lawn signs for supporters of Clinton.
>
> When Klyap shared the post on his personal Facebook page, which is public,
> he added a comment: “Need a back stop.”
>
> Klyap, who is running as a no-party candidate, commented a few minutes
> later on his post, saying: “Klyap for Sheriff will be holding a shoot for
> the star pistol competition in the near future. Start collecting your back
> stops. We will have the targets.”
>
> Klyap told a Chronicle reporter on Tuesday his comments “weren’t meant to
> be derogatory,” adding that backstops can be used “to stop anything,” from
> a baseball to a soccer ball.
>
> “It’s not intended to be used for shooting at Hillary Clinton,” he said.
> “They could do the same thing with a Trump poster.”
>
> Responding to a post from a follower suggesting he remove his “shoot for
> the star” comment, Klyap wrote: “Back stops could be anything. Not
> necessarily a Hillary poster. Thanks for watching my back.”
>
> Klyap acknowledged his Facebook readers may misinterpret what he posted
> earlier, but won’t delete it from his page.
>
> “If it’s misconstrued, I’m not going to apologize,” he said. “I don’t have
> any problems for what I say — that’s my First Amendment right.”
>
> Other comments on the picture include: “I could use a new target for my
> firearms” and “Bow practice target.”
>
> Wendy Williams, chair of the Citrus County Democratic Executive Committee,
> said Klyap made it “quite clear” what he thinks the cutout should be used
> for.
>
> “He thinks Hillary should be used for target practice,” said Williams, who
> was notified soon after Klyap shared her organization’s photo.
>
> “It shows lack of judgment and a lack of leadership for somebody running
> for public office, especially for somebody running for sheriff,” she said.
>
> Klyap said he does not believe his comments will affect his race for
> sheriff, and will leave them up for the people to interpret.
>
> “The people are going to judge what’s on the post,” he said.
>
> http://www.chronicleonline.com/content/klyap-flap-over-post
>
>
> 
>
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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

All this from the party that openly advocated assassinating the 
President because he was from the other party.  They even published "how 
to" books and movies.


Oh!  Forgive me, as H-> sez  "There are two sets of rules"


archer75--- via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 6:09 AM
Looks a local candidate (who is expected to become the next sheriff) 
gave Facebook members the wrong impression too:

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
"County Democratic leaders are in an uproar over a Facebook post made 
by a candidate for sheriff of Citrus County insinuating that a 
cardboard cutout of Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton be 
used for “target practice.” (See cutout on link.)


On Sunday, Michael Klyap Jr. shared an Aug. 5 photo from the Citrus 
County FL Democrats Facebook page featuring the Clinton standee. The 
post was advertising the availability of lawn signs for supporters of 
Clinton.


When Klyap shared the post on his personal Facebook page, which is 
public, he added a comment: “Need a back stop.”


Klyap, who is running as a no-party candidate, commented a few minutes 
later on his post, saying: “Klyap for Sheriff will be holding a shoot 
for the star pistol competition in the near future. Start collecting 
your back stops. We will have the targets.”


Klyap told a Chronicle reporter on Tuesday his comments “weren’t meant 
to be derogatory,” adding that backstops can be used “to stop 
anything,” from a baseball to a soccer ball.


“It’s not intended to be used for shooting at Hillary Clinton,” he 
said. “They could do the same thing with a Trump poster.”


Responding to a post from a follower suggesting he remove his “shoot 
for the star” comment, Klyap wrote: “Back stops could be anything. Not 
necessarily a Hillary poster. Thanks for watching my back.”


Klyap acknowledged his Facebook readers may misinterpret what he 
posted earlier, but won’t delete it from his page.


“If it’s misconstrued, I’m not going to apologize,” he said. “I don’t 
have any problems for what I say — that’s my First Amendment right.”


Other comments on the picture include: “I could use a new target for 
my firearms” and “Bow practice target.”


Wendy Williams, chair of the Citrus County Democratic Executive 
Committee, said Klyap made it “quite clear” what he thinks the cutout 
should be used for.


“He thinks Hillary should be used for target practice,” said Williams, 
who was notified soon after Klyap shared her organization’s photo.


“It shows lack of judgment and a lack of leadership for somebody 
running for public office, especially for somebody running for 
sheriff,” she said.


Klyap said he does not believe his comments will affect his race for 
sheriff, and will leave them up for the people to interpret.


“The people are going to judge what’s on the post,” he said.

http://www.chronicleonline.com/content/klyap-flap-over-post




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G Mann via Mercedes 
August 10, 2016 at 12:35 AM
To "do something about" is a pretty loose context subject to many
interpretations.

Since Mrs. Clinton's stated positions on gun rights is openly completely
against the Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment, I posit his intent was to urge
those who stand for 2nd Amendment to work against her and her position.

Logic would indicate Mr. Trump would never openly or privately advocate a
"mafia type, do something about" intent.

However, the media is hungry for any morsel of dirt that can be presented,
even if it has to twist the event, as we have seen on numerous recent
broadcasts.

I suggest a betting pool to guess how many poll points he gains after 
he is

attacked on this, or, if so inclined, he loses.

Being sporting men, of course.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
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Rich Thomas via Mercedes 
August 9, 2016 at 10:20 PM
Maybe he just short-circuited for a second, it was just a glitch. But 
everything he said was truthful but perhaps a bit inarticulate. 
Tomorrow he can explain what he really said.


--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes 
 wrote:



WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday, 
Trump remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something 
about the prospect of Hillary

Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

So, what's wrong with using a picture of Hillary! for a target?


I practice pistol on these, it's what I shoot in competition:
http://www.letargets.com/content/idpa-cb-official-idpa-cardboard-torso-target.asp


They make pregnant woman targets for cops to practice on. 
http://www.letargets.com/content/le-33-pregnant-woman-gun-split-second-target.asp

Basically, they train to execute anybody holding a gun who isn't in uniform, and
then people act surprised when they perform to training standards in real life:
http://www.letargets.com/content/le-36-boy-running-laterally-gun-split-second-target.asp

> On August 10, 2016 at 7:09 AM archer75--- via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Looks a local candidate (who is expected to become the next sheriff) gave
> Facebook members the wrong impression too:

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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[archer75--- via Mercedes]

Looks a local candidate (who is expected to become the next sheriff) gave 
Facebook members the wrong impression too:
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - 
"County Democratic leaders are in an uproar over a Facebook post made by a 
candidate for sheriff of Citrus County insinuating that a cardboard cutout of 
Democratic presidential nominee Hillary Clinton be used for “target practice.” 
(See cutout on link.)

On Sunday, Michael Klyap Jr. shared an Aug. 5 photo from the Citrus County FL 
Democrats Facebook page featuring the Clinton standee. The post was advertising 
the availability of lawn signs for supporters of Clinton.

When Klyap shared the post on his personal Facebook page, which is public, he 
added a comment: “Need a back stop.”

Klyap, who is running as a no-party candidate, commented a few minutes later on 
his post, saying: “Klyap for Sheriff will be holding a shoot for the star 
pistol competition in the near future. Start collecting your back stops. We 
will have the targets.”

Klyap told a Chronicle reporter on Tuesday his comments “weren’t meant to be 
derogatory,” adding that backstops can be used “to stop anything,” from a 
baseball to a soccer ball.

“It’s not intended to be used for shooting at Hillary Clinton,” he said. “They 
could do the same thing with a Trump poster.”

Responding to a post from a follower suggesting he remove his “shoot for the 
star” comment, Klyap wrote: “Back stops could be anything. Not necessarily a 
Hillary poster. Thanks for watching my back.”

Klyap acknowledged his Facebook readers may misinterpret what he posted 
earlier, but won’t delete it from his page.

“If it’s misconstrued, I’m not going to apologize,” he said. “I don’t have any 
problems for what I say — that’s my First Amendment right.”

Other comments on the picture include: “I could use a new target for my 
firearms” and “Bow practice target.” 

Wendy Williams, chair of the Citrus County Democratic Executive Committee, said 
Klyap made it “quite clear” what he thinks the cutout should be used for.

“He thinks Hillary should be used for target practice,” said Williams, who was 
notified soon after Klyap shared her organization’s photo.

“It shows lack of judgment and a lack of leadership for somebody running for 
public office, especially for somebody running for sheriff,” she said.

Klyap said he does not believe his comments will affect his race for sheriff, 
and will leave them up for the people to interpret.

“The people are going to judge what’s on the post,” he said.

http://www.chronicleonline.com/content/klyap-flap-over-post



G Mann wrote:

> To "do something about" is a pretty loose context subject to many
> interpretations.
> 
> Since Mrs. Clinton's stated positions on gun rights is openly completely
> against the Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment, I posit his intent was to urge
> those who stand for 2nd Amendment to work against her and her position.
> 
> Logic would indicate Mr. Trump would never openly or privately advocate a
> "mafia type, do something about" intent.
> 
> However, the media is hungry for any morsel of dirt that can be presented,
> even if it has to twist the event, as we have seen on numerous recent
> broadcasts.
> 
> I suggest a betting pool to guess how many poll points he gains after he is
> attacked on this, or, if so inclined, he loses.
> 
> Being sporting men, of course.
> 
> 
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> > Maybe he just short-circuited for a second, it was just a glitch. But
> > everything he said was truthful but perhaps a bit inarticulate. Tomorrow he
> > can explain what he really said.
> >
> > --R (sent from my miniPad)
> >
> > On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday,
> > Trump remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about
> > the prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.
> >
> > The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP
> > presidential nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on
> > Tuesday, which appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening
> > Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton with gun violence.
> >
> > It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political
> > history -- investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[G Mann via Mercedes]

To "do something about" is a pretty loose context subject to many
interpretations.

Since Mrs. Clinton's stated positions on gun rights is openly completely
against the Bill of Rights, 2nd Amendment, I posit his intent was to urge
those who stand for 2nd Amendment to work against her and her position.

Logic would indicate Mr. Trump would never openly or privately advocate a
"mafia type, do something about" intent.

However, the media is hungry for any morsel of dirt that can be presented,
even if it has to twist the event, as we have seen on numerous recent
broadcasts.

I suggest a betting pool to guess how many poll points he gains after he is
attacked on this, or, if so inclined, he loses.

Being sporting men, of course.


On Tue, Aug 9, 2016 at 8:20 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Maybe he just short-circuited for a second, it was just a glitch. But
> everything he said was truthful but perhaps a bit inarticulate. Tomorrow he
> can explain what he really said.
>
> --R (sent from my miniPad)
>
> On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>
> WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday,
> Trump remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about
> the prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.
>
> The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP
> presidential nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on
> Tuesday, which appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening
> Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton with gun violence.
>
> It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political
> history -- investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Quote Without Comment

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Maybe he just short-circuited for a second, it was just a glitch. But 
everything he said was truthful but perhaps a bit inarticulate. Tomorrow he can 
explain what he really said. 

--R (sent from my miniPad)

On Aug 9, 2016, at 11:06 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
wrote:


WILMINGTON, N.C., Aug. 9 (UPI)--At a rally in North Carolina Tuesday, Trump 
remarked that perhaps gun rights supporters could do something about the 
prospect of Hillary Clinton being elected in November.

The U.S. Secret Service said it is "aware" of a remark made by GOP presidential 
nominee Donald Trump at a North Carolina campaign stop on Tuesday, which 
appeared to some a thinly-veiled quip about threatening Democratic nominee 
Hillary Clinton with gun violence.

It could potentially take a step unprecedented in American political history -- 
investigate one of the candidates it is assigned to protect.

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