Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Interesting. Our Car Quest guys are totally top notch. The Autozone guys are hit or miss but generally if they're a miss they won't last long but they ALWAYS show up at Advance later on. I'll only buy stuff at Advance if I have to, like when I needed calipers in a hurry and Advance was the only place that could get them for Sunday delivery. -Curt Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 19:47:04 -0500 From: Russ Williams rawil...@eatel.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 4deec688.9000...@eatel.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Around here it's NAPA, Car Quest/ Advance then Autozone. Most Autozoners around here are so dumb they'll tell you Your Mb diesel uses spark plugs NOT Glow Plugs. Sheee Russ W On 6/7/2011 7:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Ugh, around here if you're too dumb to work at Car Quest you go work at Autozone, if you're too dumb for Autozone you go work at Advance, if you're too dumb to work at Advance you don't work... -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I find that only one quart per change is needed (if that!), even when I drove 40k miles in 9 mos (oil changes were due at approximately 18kmi intervals) Now if the thing didn't have the snappy glow plugs! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:15, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 10:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Are you sure that the 606 uses a quart that often? The fill-max distance is about a quart, and both of mine end up halfway between post-change. It takes 6-8k miles for it to drop to add, so that's really 12-16k per quart... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 2, 2011, at 18:09, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I found that one of my local-ish Pep Boys stocks 5w40 Formula M! -j. -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 7, 2011, at 14:06, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Back when I was consistently doing 30k/yr with my '85 190D it was doing about 1qt/6,000 miles on 12k changes with M1 5w40. I haven't driven the '84 190D enough yet to really know as I'm only just closing in on the first 10k. Looks like a qt/3k right now but improving, its only had M1 for about 6,000 miles. Interestingly my '78 240D might be the least leaky/consuming 616 I've yet had. I had to add this week but I think thats around 2,500 miles since the last time and when I was driving it to work full time 2 weeks ago I was driving it HARD to burn out the carbon. Hard driving on a 240D tends to consume some oil. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:53:06 -0400 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 886242e3-5506-4cfa-8a93-d477bd333...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain;charset=us-ascii I find that only one quart per change is needed (if that!), even when I drove 40k miles in 9 mos (oil changes were due at approximately 18kmi intervals) Now if the thing didn't have the snappy glow plugs! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:15, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you could figure a way to reclaim the oil off the valve cover I think you could go ten or twenty thousand miles of highway driving without losing a drop in a 240..lololol Mike On Jun 8, 2011 2:41 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Back when I was consistently doing 30k/yr with my '85 190D it was doing about 1qt/6,000 miles on 12k changes with M1 5w40. I haven't driven the '84 190D enough yet to really know as I'm only just closing in on the first 10k. Looks like a qt/3k right now but improving, its only had M1 for about 6,000 miles. Interestingly my '78 240D might be the least leaky/consuming 616 I've yet had. I had to add this week but I think thats around 2,500 miles since the last time and when I was driving it to work full time 2 weeks ago I was driving it HARD to burn out the carbon. Hard driving on a 240D tends to consume some oil. -Curt Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 13:53:06 -0400 From: John Reames jwrea...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Cc: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 886242e3-5506-4cfa-8a93-d477bd333...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I find that only one quart per change is needed (if that!), even when I drove 40k miles in 9 mos (oil changes were due at approximately 18kmi intervals) Now if the thing didn't have the snappy glow plugs! -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 5, 2011, at 12:15, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com writes: Ever ask? Nah. The guys at the local places are generally too busy answering the phone to deal with people who actually bothered to come into the store. I've actually had one cut me off mid-sentence to answer the phone. I just turned and walked out. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. Our local Car Quest will get it if I ask. When they have a sale on M1 they'll order in 5w40 if I ask and give it to me at the sale price. -Curt Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2011 22:28:04 -0400 From: Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: m139jq49fv@cs.indiana.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. 15w50. I can never find the 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck blend. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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We have Advanced Auto Parts stores. They are pretty well managed, although they quit stocking Bosch wipers :(( On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Do you not get the feeling that the stores are trying to reduce inventory during these less than wonderful economic times? Even here in Manitoba where the recession does not seem to have hurt us very badly (house prices are still very good here) it appears to me that the Home Depot type stores are stocking less and less in terms of selection. For example, they have bolts but not nearly the choice in bolts that they once had. It is frustrating to go looking for something you knew was once in stock and not be able to find it. I asked one of the fellows working there and he just shook his head. Hopefully, this is not a long term trend and one day the stocks will be replenished. Of course, around here it also depends on which store one goes to. We have Canadian Tire and the store closest to me would prefer to sell paper towel rather than auto products or tools etc. If I go to one of the stores further away from me, I am more likely to find what I need and want. It is frustrating as I don't want to drive the extra distance but I know at the outset I might as well. Randy On 07/06/2011 3:07 PM, andrew strasfogel wrote: We have Advanced Auto Parts stores. They are pretty well managed, although they quit stocking Bosch wipers :(( On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Interesting, when I asked the counter drone he said we don't get much of it because it doesn't stay on the shelf. I explained to the regional guy how that didn't make any sense, he agreed. -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 13:06:21 -0500 From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: BANLkTinMEzsmS+AYCJvvaPT=fjayqre...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Ugh, around here if you're too dumb to work at Car Quest you go work at Autozone, if you're too dumb for Autozone you go work at Advance, if you're too dumb to work at Advance you don't work... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:07:41 -0400 From: andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: BANLkTi=RTtdDsirKJLpUHGtKheH=d2e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We have Advanced Auto Parts stores. They are pretty well managed, although they quit stocking Bosch wipers :(( On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
What you got there is Just in Time Ordering combined with the Wal-Martization of North America. So they stock as little as possible, stock is money sitting on the shelf after all. Then the big box stores have a TON of different things but a lousy selection of each. Example: Last week I was helping my uncle redo my Grandmother's bathroom, Lowes had a perfectly hideous selection of plumbing parts, they only had 1 sink trap, it was metal and they wanted $55(!) for it. Local hardware store had 4 different ones in both metal and plastic, cheapest was $4, same as Lowes one was $20... Of course the local place didn't have the 4 piece shower stall we needed (1 piece wouldn't go through the door). -Curt Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2011 16:20:33 -0500 From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID: 4dee9621.2010...@bennell.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Do you not get the feeling that the stores are trying to reduce inventory during these less than wonderful economic times? Even here in Manitoba where the recession does not seem to have hurt us very badly (house prices are still very good here) it appears to me that the Home Depot type stores are stocking less and less in terms of selection. For example, they have bolts but not nearly the choice in bolts that they once had. It is frustrating to go looking for something you knew was once in stock and not be able to find it. I asked one of the fellows working there and he just shook his head. Hopefully, this is not a long term trend and one day the stocks will be replenished. Of course, around here it also depends on which store one goes to. We have Canadian Tire and the store closest to me would prefer to sell paper towel rather than auto products or tools etc. If I go to one of the stores further away from me, I am more likely to find what I need and want. It is frustrating as I don't want to drive the extra distance but I know at the outset I might as well. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Around here it's NAPA, Car Quest/ Advance then Autozone. Most Autozoners around here are so dumb they'll tell you Your Mb diesel uses spark plugs NOT Glow Plugs. Sheee Russ W On 6/7/2011 7:01 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: Ugh, around here if you're too dumb to work at Car Quest you go work at Autozone, if you're too dumb for Autozone you go work at Advance, if you're too dumb to work at Advance you don't work... -Curt Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2011 16:07:41 -0400 From: andrew strasfogelastrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion Listmercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Message-ID:BANLkTi=RTtdDsirKJLpUHGtKheH=d2e...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 We have Advanced Auto Parts stores. They are pretty well managed, although they quit stocking Bosch wipers :(( On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, OK Donokd...@gmail.com wrote: When I asked about 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck at my AutoZone, I was told that I was the only customer that buys it! On Tue, Jun 7, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Ever ask? I complained one time at my local Autozone that they only ever had one case of the 5w40 and were frequently sold out. The counter drone shrugged so I wrote a nasty-gram on the Autozone website. The regional guy called me (!) and I explained how I couldn't figure if they were usually sold out of the stuff why they didn't stock more. Well since then they seem to almost always have some. I usually buy 6 or more quarts at a time though so I have it on hand. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1511/3687 - Release Date: 06/07/11 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Here goes try number three. Non of the previous sends have bounced nor appeared on the list. Anyway... ~ On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. Alex Chamberlain wrote: IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. H, not really. Delo 400 and Delvac 1300 were his favorite conventional oils. I went though my mail archive and found these. *** Quoting a message from Sun, 28 Aug 2005 10:50:14 -0400 You SHOULD be sure that the oil is suitable for a diesel. I recommend a CF or better rating and an xW-40 or xW-50 rating (CH-4 thru CI-4 rated oils are probably a bit more desirable, but that's hardly critical). The x should be some number between 0 and 15 (I don't know of a diesel rated 20X-xx oil but there MIGHT be one there somewhere). Most conventional diesel rated oils are 15W-40. In MY OPINION the best of these diesel 15W-40 oils are Chevron Delo 400 and Mobil Delvac 1300. The others commonly available in the US (Rotella, Exxon, Castrol, etc.) are inferior, rather ordinary, but can certainly provide suitable lubrication. Marshall *** Then on Thu, 29 Sep 2005 14:40:00 -0400, in a thread about quieting noisy lifters on OM60x engines. Synthetic oils using group IV V base stock (Mobil, Amsoil, Red Line) work best. Synthetics using group III base stocks (marketed as Rotella, Delo400, Valvoline, Pennzoil, Castrol Syntec) don't work as well (in MY experience) but they are superior to conventional oils (including the very best conventional oils - like Delo 400 and Delvac 1300). Marshall *** Then on Tue, 13 Jun 2006 15:42:17 -0400 Lots of people LOVE it. It's cheap! It's also hydrocracked group III oil, far inferior to the group IV/V that Mobil and Amsoil sell. It's superior to the group II oils like Delo 400. It isn't nearly as good as M-1/D-1 for cold weather starting and it will NOT last nearly as long, but it lubricates pretty well. DOESN'T meet any of the Mercedes standard sheet specs!! Maybe Shell didn't submit it for testing, BUT their conventional group I Rotella and their synthetic Helix oils were submitted and approved for various service! Marshall *** -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 1:38 AM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. H, not really. Delo 400 and Delvac 1300 were his favorite conventional oils. I went though my mail archive and found these. [snip] Thanks for digging that up, Philip. Good info. Guess I did not R quite as C as I thought. ;) Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Are you sure that the 606 uses a quart that often? The fill-max distance is about a quart, and both of mine end up halfway between post-change. It takes 6-8k miles for it to drop to add, so that's really 12-16k per quart... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 2, 2011, at 18:09, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
You are correct, when the low oil light started blinking, I added half a quart, which was actually at 5500 miles, so roughly 1 qt per 11,000 miles. It's my first fill of M1 in this engine, so it may get better, but I'm happy with current consumption. -Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Reames Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011 10:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617 Are you sure that the 606 uses a quart that often? The fill-max distance is about a quart, and both of mine end up halfway between post-change. It takes 6-8k miles for it to drop to add, so that's really 12-16k per quart... -- John W Reames jream...@verizon.net Home: +14106646986 Mobile: +14437915905 On Jun 2, 2011, at 18:09, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net writes: Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. 15w50. I can never find the 5w40 Turbo Diesel Truck blend. Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I have used it in my 76 300D since I got it. No problems so far. I did read - and wish I had kept a copy - a review of various oils a while back and they were not very enthused with the Rotella. I think they suggested that most of the others were better including the no-name or house brand at WalMart. So far I have resisted buying Mobil 1 for the car. I use it in my truck but the car is not used at all in the winter and I change oil once each year which amounts to about every 3K miles. Not sure there would be any significant advantage to a better oil. Randy On 02/06/2011 10:40 AM, Allan Streib wrote: I have had a long-standing personal policy to not buy Shell fuel or products, due to an incident with one of their retail dealers back in 1998. I recently changed oil in my '83 300D and was looking to buy Chevron Delo but the store I stopped in didn't have any in stock. Because I was rather pressed for time and didn't want to go running all over town, I bought what they had which was Rotella T 15w40 (non-synthetic). Last winter I was using Mobil-1 for easier low-temp starting, but had noted that it needed to be topped up every couple of tankfuls (level falling below the ADD mark) which never used to happen with M1. Also for the past few years, with both M1 and Delo, I've had some drips which I believe are from the rear seal. With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. Any other opinions on this oil? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Its all I used in all my cars that use dino oil, including my 450SLC 5.0. Its an excellent oil... and the gallons are really nice to work with! Jaime On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 11:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I have had a long-standing personal policy to not buy Shell fuel or products, due to an incident with one of their retail dealers back in 1998. I recently changed oil in my '83 300D and was looking to buy Chevron Delo but the store I stopped in didn't have any in stock. Because I was rather pressed for time and didn't want to go running all over town, I bought what they had which was Rotella T 15w40 (non-synthetic). Last winter I was using Mobil-1 for easier low-temp starting, but had noted that it needed to be topped up every couple of tankfuls (level falling below the ADD mark) which never used to happen with M1. Also for the past few years, with both M1 and Delo, I've had some drips which I believe are from the rear seal. With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. Any other opinions on this oil? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Rotella rocks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.comwrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
But how do I measure a quart of oil in the gallon containers that lack the clear plastic measuring strip on the side of the jug? On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: Rotella rocks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
andrew strasfogel wrote: But how do I measure a quart of oil in the gallon containers that lack the clear plastic measuring strip on the side of the jug? With the car's dipstick? (start adding at the add mark and stop midway between add and full) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Keep an empty quart bottle in the trunk? Though the Rotella bottles that I bought have such a strip. As do the gallon bottles of Chevron Delo 400. Allan On Thu, 02 Jun 2011 13:42 -0400, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: But how do I measure a quart of oil in the gallon containers that lack the clear plastic measuring strip on the side of the jug? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
They do have the clear plastic measuring strip on the side! Jaime On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:42 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.comwrote: But how do I measure a quart of oil in the gallon containers that lack the clear plastic measuring strip on the side of the jug? On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Rotella rocks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I could swear that mine didn't. Will double check. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 2:12 PM, Jaime Kopchinski jaime...@gmail.com wrote: They do have the clear plastic measuring strip on the side! Jaime On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:42 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: But how do I measure a quart of oil in the gallon containers that lack the clear plastic measuring strip on the side of the jug? On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 1:03 PM, andrew strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com wrote: Rotella rocks. On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Allan, which weight of M1? My NA OM617 used a lot of M1, OM603 uses about one quart per 2500 miles, OM606 about one quart per 5000 miles. Max -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
I run delvac 1300 usually On 6/2/2011 11:34 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streibstr...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. IIRC Marshall always recommended Rotella T or Delo 400 for OM61x and OM60x engines, if you weren't going to run synthetic. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1511/3675 - Release Date: 06/02/11 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 99 E430, 99 E320. 97 E300, 95 E300, 93 300D, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 91 350SDL, 91 300D, 90 300D, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 76 240D, 76 300D http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Rotella in OM-617
Like yourself, I have boycotted Shell Rotella, but for another reason. Everything I have is Diesel and I found that with Rotella I had leaks and oil usage. Switched to the new Castrol Diesel rated oil [Tection Extra, 15/40] and those problems went away. I'm in Arizona so don't deal with sub zero winter temps, instead, summer ambient temps of 110 F + are normal... Shell doesn't seem to hold up under that crushing extreme as well as the Castrol. FWIW, Grant... 94 Ford 7.3 [International engine] 97 Ford 7.3 [International engine] 85 Ford 6.9 [International engine] 89 Ford 7.3 [International engine] 82 Mercedes 300D 82 Mercedes 300SD 82 GMC RTS Detroit Diesel 6V92 TA DDEC 81 GMC RTS Detroit Diesel 6V92 TA MUI 80 GMC RTS Detroit Diesel 8V71 NA MUI 88 Suzuki Samauri..with Isuzu Imark diesel engine Other Diesel power equipment On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 8:40 AM, Allan Streib str...@cs.indiana.edu wrote: I have had a long-standing personal policy to not buy Shell fuel or products, due to an incident with one of their retail dealers back in 1998. I recently changed oil in my '83 300D and was looking to buy Chevron Delo but the store I stopped in didn't have any in stock. Because I was rather pressed for time and didn't want to go running all over town, I bought what they had which was Rotella T 15w40 (non-synthetic). Last winter I was using Mobil-1 for easier low-temp starting, but had noted that it needed to be topped up every couple of tankfuls (level falling below the ADD mark) which never used to happen with M1. Also for the past few years, with both M1 and Delo, I've had some drips which I believe are from the rear seal. With the Rotella, I have not had to add ANY oil in over 1,500 miles so far, and the drips have all but stopped. I'm fairly pleased despite it being a Shell product. Any other opinions on this oil? Allan -- 1983 300D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
