Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-09 Thread fmiser via Mercedes
> clay wrote:

> Now that I am using a Stanley key, I see that it is the dang
> interlock/steering pin that is not retracting.

Disassemble and remove or cut-off the pin.

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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-09 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
Lock Jockey loves when people use graphite and WD40.  Screws up the locks to no 
end,  They love Tri-Flow.  I flushed the crud out of my tumblers with it.

Now that I am using a Stanley key, I see that it is the dang interlock/steering 
pin that is not retracting.  Key would spin with ease, but the locking pin 
would not disengage so the ignition would turn the thing on.   Now I have to do 
PnP hunts for ignitions.


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> On Sep 9, 2018, at 1:01 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> The locksmith my mechanic sends me to is no longer interested in doing car 
>> things...  Mercedes especially.  Too many whiners?  Not sure.  Either way, I 
>> have been having trouble with the start key not watning to turn.  We got the 
>> tumbler out and off I went for a rebuild.  The locksmith shot some lube an 
>> Tri-flow on it and proclaimed it to be in very good condition, but they are 
>> not working on car things anymore.  I am now drving the SD with a Stanley 
>> key.  I was told to do this for a few weeks to see if the ignition doodad is 
>> the faulty part.
>> 
>> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think they 
>> could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
>> clay 
> 
> Many years ago, before even thinking about taking anything apart, we would 
> squirt Eveready Oil, and later WD-40, in the lock and exercise it many times. 
> We would do this several times and then try the key.
> If no luck, we would squirt 3 in 1 oil in the lock, repeat the above 
> procedure, and try the key.
> If still no luck, we would go to a good locksmith and get him to cut a new 
> key just a little bit "full" (wider). That usually worked.
> Gerry
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-09 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes


> The locksmith my mechanic sends me to is no longer interested in doing car 
> things...  Mercedes especially.  Too many whiners?  Not sure.  Either way, I 
> have been having trouble with the start key not watning to turn.  We got the 
> tumbler out and off I went for a rebuild.  The locksmith shot some lube an 
> Tri-flow on it and proclaimed it to be in very good condition, but they are 
> not working on car things anymore.  I am now drving the SD with a Stanley 
> key.  I was told to do this for a few weeks to see if the ignition doodad is 
> the faulty part.
> 
> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think they 
> could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
> clay 

Many years ago, before even thinking about taking anything apart, we would 
squirt Eveready Oil, and later WD-40, in the lock and exercise it many times. 
We would do this several times and then try the key.
If no luck, we would squirt 3 in 1 oil in the lock, repeat the above procedure, 
and try the key.
If still no luck, we would go to a good locksmith and get him to cut a new key 
just a little bit "full" (wider). That usually worked.
Gerry
 


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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-08 Thread Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Yes, sounds like 124 and 126 may be on the edge for a similar fate.  I've
got a complete 124 sedan lockset (from ignition through trunk) but my
cabriolet will probably need a new trunk lock so I'd better order it now to
see what happens.  My wagon rear hatch also needs a new cylinder, I think a
couple years ago Tom Hanson priced that at about $200.  I probably need to
just get it.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sat, Sep 8, 2018 at 2:30 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
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> A very depressing saga.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-08 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
A very depressing saga.  

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of clay
> monroe via Mercedes
> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2018 1:41 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Cc: clay monroe 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Screw it
> 
> That becomes the only solution when Mercedes Germany will no longer
> provide those tumblers.  Even the dealers and Tom Hanson had no idea until I
> had issue with getting access.  I was forced to spend $300 on “special order, 
> no
> refund” trying to purchase a tumbler for the SL.  The part is superseded five
> times in the EPC, then goes to a black hole.  Dealer took my money and put in
> the order. Two months later, there was no product and no data on why, as
> well as no clues as to where in the system the order was even placed.  Repeat
> two more times and finally I got so upset, I made a scene at the parts desk
> about the shear utter incompetence of the parts department, manager, CC,
> dealership, that one of the suits came down to see what the ruckus was all
> about.  I guess putting the fear of GOD into the hearts of the orientals 
> bringing
> their leased cars in for service may have seemed bad for business.
> 
> A call was made to CC Irvine to find out Whiskey Tango Foxtrot their problem
> was.  CC Irvine blew much smoke into rectal passages until the suit demanded
> it get kicked up the ladder to the Fatherland.  CC Germany at first tried to 
> blow
> smoke, but the underlings were forced to call in an adult who acknowledged
> that there was no way on God’s green earth I was ever going to see, nor would
> anybody else, a tumbler for a car built prior to 1985.  With that, I was 
> given an
> apology, the three charges to my Credit were refunded, and I was advised to
> find a good locksmith who might rebuild the thing.
> 
> In the past five years I have had the key cowboys rebuild four locks (ignition
> tumbler).   One for the SL, one for a w115, another was a PnP set that needed
> a key (I pulled the vin tag), and then I had a “spare” I got from fleabay 
> that was
> wonky.   I should have held on to them, as I am sure once it it common
> knowledge you can not get them anymore, the things will command a king’s
> ransom.
> 
> 
> clay monroe
> redgh...@comcast.net
> 
> 
> 
> > On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:56:48 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody
> think
> >> they could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
> >
> > In all of my time on this list, there has been no talk of repairing a
> > recalcitrant lock cylinder.
> >
> > The only talk has been to go to the dealer with your registration and
> > order a new, keyed to the car cylinder.
> >
> >
> > Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
I am now of a mind to salvage as many lock sets (door/trunk/ignition) as I can 
to maybe store away on the parts shelf.  The locksmith will still cut a key for 
these, all I need is the VIN plate from the door.   They will even test the 
keys for me.

clay monroe
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> On Sep 7, 2018, at 6:20 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I never did an ignition lock but I did try to rehab a 126 door lock.  I 
> succeeded but the thing is crimped together and you can never really 
> reassemble that kind construction properly.  I don't know about now, but 
> non-matching (don't match doors) lock cylinders were not expensive (as an 
> interim fix) back then.  I eventually replaced the driver's door handle and 
> ignition cylinder with new, matching locks from MBZ.  The door handle (in 
> particular) was pricy but cheap compared to cutting out a frozen ignition 
> switch.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Mitch Haley via Mercedes
>> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 3:16 PM
>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>> Cc: Mitch Haley 
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Screw it
>> 
>> What happens if you take the wafers out, clean everything, and put it back
>> together with a couple drops of Houdini? Or is that more difficult with an
>> ignition lock than with a door lock?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
That becomes the only solution when Mercedes Germany will no longer provide 
those tumblers.  Even the dealers and Tom Hanson had no idea until I had issue 
with getting access.  I was forced to spend $300 on “special order, no refund” 
trying to purchase a tumbler for the SL.  The part is superseded five times in 
the EPC, then goes to a black hole.  Dealer took my money and put in the order. 
Two months later, there was no product and no data on why, as well as no clues 
as to where in the system the order was even placed.  Repeat two more times and 
finally I got so upset, I made a scene at the parts desk about the shear utter 
incompetence of the parts department, manager, CC, dealership, that one of the 
suits came down to see what the ruckus was all about.  I guess putting the fear 
of GOD into the hearts of the orientals bringing their leased cars in for 
service may have seemed bad for business.

A call was made to CC Irvine to find out Whiskey Tango Foxtrot their problem 
was.  CC Irvine blew much smoke into rectal passages until the suit demanded it 
get kicked up the ladder to the Fatherland.  CC Germany at first tried to blow 
smoke, but the underlings were forced to call in an adult who acknowledged that 
there was no way on God’s green earth I was ever going to see, nor would 
anybody else, a tumbler for a car built prior to 1985.  With that, I was given 
an apology, the three charges to my Credit were refunded, and I was advised to 
find a good locksmith who might rebuild the thing.

In the past five years I have had the key cowboys rebuild four locks (ignition 
tumbler).   One for the SL, one for a w115, another was a PnP set that needed a 
key (I pulled the vin tag), and then I had a “spare” I got from fleabay that 
was wonky.   I should have held on to them, as I am sure once it it common 
knowledge you can not get them anymore, the things will command a king’s ransom.


clay monroe
redgh...@comcast.net



> On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:56:48 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think
>> they could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
> 
> In all of my time on this list, there has been no talk of repairing a
> recalcitrant lock cylinder.
> 
> The only talk has been to go to the dealer with your registration and
> order a new, keyed to the car cylinder.
> 
> 
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
>From what the shop did with my other cars, they tore the thing down and pretty 
>much rebuilt it with pretty wafers as needed.  The tech eyeballed the thing 
>and did the lube without tear down.  

I will add that this same key cowboy shoppe was incapable of picking the 70 
year old front door lock on my home when  I locked myself out.  They had issue 
with the back door, so had to pick the garage door lock which was much newer.  



clay monroe
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> On Sep 7, 2018, at 12:15 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> What happens if you take the wafers out, clean everything, and put it back 
> together with a couple drops of Houdini? Or is that more difficult with an 
> ignition lock than with a door lock?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread clay monroe via Mercedes
A person could, but I am not that person due to palsy and fine motor issues.

A younger devotee would be better suited.

clay 

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> On Sep 7, 2018, at 12:11 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Take a locksmith course and become the Mercedes Lock Man?
> 
> RB
> 
> On 07/09/2018 1:56 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:
>> The locksmith my mechanic sends me to is no longer interested in doing car 
>> things...  Mercedes especially.  Too many whiners?  Not sure.  Either way, I 
>> have been having trouble with the start key not watning to turn.  We got the 
>> tumbler out and off I went for a rebuild.  The locksmith shot some lube an 
>> Tri-flow on it and proclaimed it to be in very good condition, but they are 
>> not working on car things anymore.  I am now drving the SD with a Stanley 
>> key.  I was told to do this for a few weeks to see if the ignition doodad is 
>> the faulty part.
>> 
>> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think they 
>> could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
>> 
>> 
>> clay
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Curt Raymond via Mercedes
I did that on one of my 240Ds and it seemed to work fine...

Curt

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  On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 3:16 PM, Mitch Haley via 
Mercedes wrote:   What happens if you take the wafers 
out, clean everything, and put it back together with a couple drops of Houdini? 
Or is that more difficult with an ignition lock than with a door lock?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes
I never did an ignition lock but I did try to rehab a 126 door lock.  I 
succeeded but the thing is crimped together and you can never really reassemble 
that kind construction properly.  I don't know about now, but non-matching 
(don't match doors) lock cylinders were not expensive (as an interim fix) back 
then.  I eventually replaced the driver's door handle and ignition cylinder 
with new, matching locks from MBZ.  The door handle (in particular) was pricy 
but cheap compared to cutting out a frozen ignition switch.

> -Original Message-
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> Mitch Haley via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, September 07, 2018 3:16 PM
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> Cc: Mitch Haley 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Screw it
> 
> What happens if you take the wafers out, clean everything, and put it back
> together with a couple drops of Houdini? Or is that more difficult with an
> ignition lock than with a door lock?
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Jim Cathey via Mercedes
>
> In all of my time on this list, there has been no talk of repairing a
> recalcitrant lock cylinder.


Well, I did it on the Chicken Wagon, can't imagine not having talked about
it.

Oh, that reminds me.  The CW rides again, I took it to one of the local
shops for a new B2 cylinder.
Fixed it right up.  Waiting 6 years for me to do it didn't work, so SWMBA
'suggested' taking it in.

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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes
A new lock cylinder would increase the value of the car exponentially!
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR

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> On Sep 7, 2018, at 1:38 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> While I have always ordered a new cylinder from Rusty (dating me), I recall
> that Curt has repaired door cylinders, IIRC.
> 
> On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 3:20 PM Craig via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:56:48 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
>>  wrote:
>> 
>>> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think
>>> they could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
>> 
>> In all of my time on this list, there has been no talk of repairing a
>> recalcitrant lock cylinder.
>> 
>> The only talk has been to go to the dealer with your registration and
>> order a new, keyed to the car cylinder.
>> 
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread OK Don via Mercedes
While I have always ordered a new cylinder from Rusty (dating me), I recall
that Curt has repaired door cylinders, IIRC.

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 3:20 PM Craig via Mercedes 
wrote:

> On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:56:48 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
> > BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think
> > they could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
>
> In all of my time on this list, there has been no talk of repairing a
> recalcitrant lock cylinder.
>
> The only talk has been to go to the dealer with your registration and
> order a new, keyed to the car cylinder.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Craig via Mercedes
On Fri, 7 Sep 2018 11:56:48 -0700 clay monroe via Mercedes
 wrote:

> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think
> they could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?

In all of my time on this list, there has been no talk of repairing a
recalcitrant lock cylinder.

The only talk has been to go to the dealer with your registration and
order a new, keyed to the car cylinder.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Mitch Haley via Mercedes
What happens if you take the wafers out, clean everything, and put it back 
together with a couple drops of Houdini? Or is that more difficult with an 
ignition lock than with a door lock?

Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Randy Bennell via Mercedes

Take a locksmith course and become the Mercedes Lock Man?

RB

On 07/09/2018 1:56 PM, clay monroe via Mercedes wrote:

The locksmith my mechanic sends me to is no longer interested in doing car 
things...  Mercedes especially.  Too many whiners?  Not sure.  Either way, I 
have been having trouble with the start key not watning to turn.  We got the 
tumbler out and off I went for a rebuild.  The locksmith shot some lube an 
Tri-flow on it and proclaimed it to be in very good condition, but they are not 
working on car things anymore.  I am now drving the SD with a Stanley key.  I 
was told to do this for a few weeks to see if the ignition doodad is the faulty 
part.

BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think they could 
make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?


clay




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Re: [MBZ] Screw it

2018-09-07 Thread Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes
Do you not want to order a new tumbler from the VIN from the Classic Center?

On Fri, Sep 7, 2018 at 2:57 PM clay monroe via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The locksmith my mechanic sends me to is no longer interested in doing car
> things...  Mercedes especially.  Too many whiners?  Not sure.  Either way,
> I have been having trouble with the start key not watning to turn.  We got
> the tumbler out and off I went for a rebuild.  The locksmith shot some lube
> an Tri-flow on it and proclaimed it to be in very good condition, but they
> are not working on car things anymore.  I am now drving the SD with a
> Stanley key.  I was told to do this for a few weeks to see if the ignition
> doodad is the faulty part.
>
> BUT WHERE ARE WE TO GET OUR OLD Tumblers made whole?  Anybody think they
> could make a living rebuilding only Mercedes tumblers?
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> clay
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> 1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
> 1986 SDL - Polei
> 1982 300 SD - Allen
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> retired models-
> 2002 s430 - Victor, a Stately & well tailored crap
> 1976 300D - Blei Vanst - it looks silvery
> 1972 220D - Gump - She was green, simple and ran
> 1995 E300D - Gave her life to save me against a Dame in a SUV
> POS 1987 SDL - Beware Nigerian Scammers
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Re: [MBZ] Screw Emissions!

2015-07-03 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes
Yay!
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Max Dillon
Charleston SC
'87 300TD
'95 E300

On July 2, 2015 11:33:36 PM EDT, clay via Mercedes mercedes@okiebenz.com 
wrote:

She ain't perfect, but she runs well now and will be getting fresh
wires and the oil pressure looked at on another visit.

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