Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
Usually it is Companion. Now that Sears K-Mart are joined, anybody know it K-Mart will exchange Craftsman tools? BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 6:42 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short tool review You just have to make sure it's a Craftsman tool - they also sell a different brand - Sears perhaps? With limited warranty. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short tool review AFAIK, there's still a lifetime warranty on all Craftsman hand tools - just cashed in a pair of pliers about a month ago. On 1/21/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought sears decided that Crafstman tools no longer should have lifetime warranties... On 1/21/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more likely that the bolt will break On 1/21/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. It's a Craftsman, so give it a try. If you break it, Sears will replace it free. Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
Harry Watkins wrote: John Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. In my experience, trying to remove a stuck lug bolt on a Mercedes is a job for a professional that's been doing it for YEARS and knows all the moves (I have twisted off a few before I learned to wipe the threads across a piece of paraffin before I installed them). It is NOT usually something that just using one single correct tool or technique will accomplish (although proper tool choice may facilitate things) but really requires YEARS of experience and on the job wisdom. That includes knowing when to pull the hub off of the car and taking it to the bench to loosen or remove the seized lugs. The original lug bolts on '86+ 126/107s are especially problematic as they are prone to snap above the collar and Mercedes has recommended replacing them with the shorter lugs as were used on the '86+ 201/124s. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
I thought sears decided that Crafstman tools no longer should have lifetime warranties... On 1/21/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more likely that the bolt will break On 1/21/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. It's a Craftsman, so give it a try. If you break it, Sears will replace it free. Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
AFAIK, there's still a lifetime warranty on all Craftsman hand tools - just cashed in a pair of pliers about a month ago. On 1/21/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought sears decided that Crafstman tools no longer should have lifetime warranties... On 1/21/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more likely that the bolt will break On 1/21/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. It's a Craftsman, so give it a try. If you break it, Sears will replace it free. Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
Three things The head has already broken off. Around here there are not many MBs and probably not many pros with a lot of experience. I fear if I leave it with someone, out will come the torch. Marshall, do you have a part number for the short lug bolts? 4th, Is that a fact about Sears's lifetime policy? Thanks Harry On 1/21/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins wrote: John Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. In my experience, trying to remove a stuck lug bolt on a Mercedes is a job for a professional that's been doing it for YEARS and knows all the moves (I have twisted off a few before I learned to wipe the threads across a piece of paraffin before I installed them). It is NOT usually something that just using one single correct tool or technique will accomplish (although proper tool choice may facilitate things) but really requires YEARS of experience and on the job wisdom. That includes knowing when to pull the hub off of the car and taking it to the bench to loosen or remove the seized lugs. The original lug bolts on '86+ 126/107s are especially problematic as they are prone to snap above the collar and Mercedes has recommended replacing them with the shorter lugs as were used on the '86+ 201/124s. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: AFAIK, there's still a lifetime warranty on all Craftsman hand tools - just cashed in a pair of pliers about a month ago. Yes, as far as I know they still provide the lifetime warranty. The key is hand tools -- none of the power tools, air tools, etc have this warranty. Also Sears now sells a lot of tools that are not Craftsman tools: those are not warranted for life unless so stated on the packaging. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
I recently got a replacement for a 1/4 drive U-joint that was too loose, a 6mm Allen socket that the bit kept falling out of, and a 16oz. hammer that the rubber grip had cracked on - no questions - just get yourself a new one. Yes, as far as I know they still provide the lifetime warranty. The key is hand tools -- none of the power tools, air tools, etc have this warranty. Also Sears now sells a lot of tools that are not Craftsman tools: those are not warranted for life unless so stated on the packaging. Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Harry Watkins wrote: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. I don't know. I was thinking I might try if I had issues; a lug bolt was stuck and started to bend (then I twisted off a 1/2x3/8 adapter), so I gave up and sprayed with PB every day for a week, I came back with a 17mm 6 pt and leaned on it and it gave a creak and started to move. If it had gone south and one of those DID not work, my locla stealership allegedly has someone who is good enough with a plasma cutter to blow them right out (without damaging the wheel or threads). I commented that the guy must have chrome plated cast iron cojones at least 75mm in diameter. I figured if it twisted off, I would pay good money to see that happen! -j.
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Marshall Booth wrote: Harry Watkins wrote: John Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. The original lug bolts on '86+ 126/107s are especially problematic as they are prone to snap above the collar and Mercedes has recommended replacing them with the shorter lugs as were used on the '86+ 201/124s. The 210's had the necked bolts as well (through 99 at least) The bolt that caused me the issue was an E-10 headed bolt that secured the torsion bar to the chassis. The bot had been up-reved to a Hex head bolt, and all of them lost the ears on them coming out, but this last one did it just a little too soon. It was one of those microencapsulated threadlock bolts, and it lost the head with 2 turns of the crap left in the chassis. There was no rust on the bolt to speak of. Whomever developed that fetish for E-torx fastener heads should be shot. -j. -- John Reames 1985 300d, 223K Gerta 1991 Cherokee, 149K The fishbowl 1999 E300Dt, 141K Hans (weeping oil cooler fitting, 1qt/5Kmi) 1999 E300Dt, 106K Frantz (no longer creaks thanks to new sway bar bushings/links)
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, Sunil Hari wrote: AFAIK, there's still a lifetime warranty on all Craftsman hand tools - just cashed in a pair of pliers about a month ago. Except torque wrenches. 1 year. -j.
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
You just have to make sure it's a Craftsman tool - they also sell a different brand - Sears perhaps? With limited warranty. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, January 21, 2007 2:27 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Short tool review AFAIK, there's still a lifetime warranty on all Craftsman hand tools - just cashed in a pair of pliers about a month ago. On 1/21/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought sears decided that Crafstman tools no longer should have lifetime warranties... On 1/21/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's more likely that the bolt will break On 1/21/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. It's a Craftsman, so give it a try. If you break it, Sears will replace it free. Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.410 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
John Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. Harry On 1/21/07, John W. Reames III [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craftsman has some sockets for the removal of nuts with rounded heads... I had the opportunity to use them on a bolt that once had an E-10 head on it that since roudned off, worked like a champ! Got that torsion bar off and back on easy as can be! Frantz got new engine mounts (all around), and new torsion bar rubber bits, as well as rear brake pads. Only ONE sensor on passenger right outside of a W210! -j. -- John Reames 1985 300D 223k Gerta 1991 Cherokee 149k The Fishbowl 1999 E300Dt 141k Hans 1999 E300Dt 105k Frantz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. It's a Craftsman, so give it a try. If you break it, Sears will replace it free. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Short tool review
It's more likely that the bolt will break On 1/21/07, Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Harry Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Do you think they have a socket with enough beef to remove a lug bolt? Sure would be nice to not have to drill it out. Its in the rear, so no wheel removal technique. It's a Craftsman, so give it a try. If you break it, Sears will replace it free. Allan -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there. Will Rogers '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
