Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

If the rack damper bolt is too tight it will cause it to not idle and die also.

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> On Feb 10, 2017, at 11:39 AM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> No, that is the rack damper.
> -- 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> '87 300TD
> '95 E300
> 
>> On February 8, 2017 11:05:13 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> Is that the screw at the end of the IP that wears out and then causes
>> the
>> engine to throb?
>> 
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:33 PM, MG via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> There is an internal idle control system in the injection pump. There
>> is
>>> an adjustable idle control spring that is supposed to increase the
>> idle
>>> speed in conjunction with the external idle speed adjustment and a
>>> flyweight governor system. The spring gets old, takes a set and
>> doesn't do
>>> it's job as well so the idle is allowed to go below the set point
>> when its
>>> cold or the AC comes on or it's put into gear. One of my injection
>> pumps
>>> also has this problem though not so bad as to cut off the engine.
>>> Increasing the idle speed with the external adjustment when cold will
>> cause
>>> the idle speed to get higher when it warms up. As far as I know the
>> only
>>> solution is a rebuild and resetting of the injection pump to original
>>> specs, unless you want to try taking the back off the pump and do a
>> DIY
>>> adjustment of the idle spring inside. All of this is inferred from
>> the info
>>> in the manual in the section on the injection system and it's
>> operation.
>>> The idle spring I'm talking about is #12 on page 3+4 in the 07.1-010
>>> section.
>>> 
>>> Manfred
>>> 
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>> 
 There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.
 
 Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
 stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech
>> says to
 ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp
>> sensor
 that
 controls the idle at ignition.
 
 On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 What is the cold idle speed?
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
> 
>> February 8, 2017 at 11:56 AM
>> OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees. Car started, ran and did
>> NOT
>> stall, so it is a temperature issue.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

I think it was Andrew's second or third response.
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'95 E300

On February 9, 2017 11:19:37 AM EST, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Went back to the original posting.
>Was not clear to me that the valve adjustment was done in order to try 
>to address the issue.
>I assumed that the valve adjustment might have caused the issue.
>
>RB
>
>On 07/02/2017 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot
>driving when
>> braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a
>valve
>> adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Max Dillon via Mercedes]

No, that is the rack damper.
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'87 300TD
'95 E300

On February 8, 2017 11:05:13 PM EST, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:
>Is that the screw at the end of the IP that wears out and then causes
>the
>engine to throb?
>
>On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:33 PM, MG via Mercedes 
>wrote:
>
>> There is an internal idle control system in the injection pump. There
>is
>> an adjustable idle control spring that is supposed to increase the
>idle
>> speed in conjunction with the external idle speed adjustment and a
>> flyweight governor system. The spring gets old, takes a set and
>doesn't do
>> it's job as well so the idle is allowed to go below the set point
>when its
>> cold or the AC comes on or it's put into gear. One of my injection
>pumps
>> also has this problem though not so bad as to cut off the engine.
>> Increasing the idle speed with the external adjustment when cold will
>cause
>> the idle speed to get higher when it warms up. As far as I know the
>only
>> solution is a rebuild and resetting of the injection pump to original
>> specs, unless you want to try taking the back off the pump and do a
>DIY
>> adjustment of the idle spring inside. All of this is inferred from
>the info
>> in the manual in the section on the injection system and it's
>operation.
>> The idle spring I'm talking about is #12 on page 3+4 in the 07.1-010
>> section.
>>
>> Manfred
>>
>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>>
>>> There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.
>>>
>>> Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
>>> stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech
>says to
>>> ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp
>sensor
>>> that
>>> controls the idle at ignition.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> What is the cold idle speed?

 Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 

> February 8, 2017 at 11:56 AM
> OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees. Car started, ran and did
>NOT
> stall, so it is a temperature issue.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Went back to the original posting.
Was not clear to me that the valve adjustment was done in order to try 
to address the issue.

I assumed that the valve adjustment might have caused the issue.

RB

On 07/02/2017 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Is that the screw at the end of the IP that wears out and then causes the
engine to throb?

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 6:33 PM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> There is an internal idle control system in the injection pump. There is
> an adjustable idle control spring that is supposed to increase the idle
> speed in conjunction with the external idle speed adjustment and a
> flyweight governor system. The spring gets old, takes a set and doesn't do
> it's job as well so the idle is allowed to go below the set point when its
> cold or the AC comes on or it's put into gear. One of my injection pumps
> also has this problem though not so bad as to cut off the engine.
> Increasing the idle speed with the external adjustment when cold will cause
> the idle speed to get higher when it warms up. As far as I know the only
> solution is a rebuild and resetting of the injection pump to original
> specs, unless you want to try taking the back off the pump and do a DIY
> adjustment of the idle spring inside. All of this is inferred from the info
> in the manual in the section on the injection system and it's operation.
> The idle spring I'm talking about is #12 on page 3+4 in the 07.1-010
> section.
>
> Manfred
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.
>>
>> Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
>> stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
>> ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor
>> that
>> controls the idle at ignition.
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> What is the cold idle speed?
>>>
>>> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>>>
 February 8, 2017 at 11:56 AM
 OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees. Car started, ran and did NOT
 stall, so it is a temperature issue.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[MG via Mercedes]

There is an internal idle control system in the injection pump. 
There is an adjustable idle control spring that is supposed to 
increase the idle speed in conjunction with the external idle 
speed adjustment and a flyweight governor system. The spring gets 
old, takes a set and doesn't do it's job as well so the idle is 
allowed to go below the set point when its cold or the AC comes 
on or it's put into gear. One of my injection pumps also has this 
problem though not so bad as to cut off the engine. Increasing 
the idle speed with the external adjustment when cold will cause 
the idle speed to get higher when it warms up. As far as I know 
the only solution is a rebuild and resetting of the injection 
pump to original specs, unless you want to try taking the back 
off the pump and do a DIY adjustment of the idle spring inside. 
All of this is inferred from the info in the manual in the 
section on the injection system and it's operation. The idle 
spring I'm talking about is #12 on page 3+4 in the 07.1-010 section.


Manfred

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.

Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor that
controls the idle at ignition.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


What is the cold idle speed?

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 

February 8, 2017 at 11:56 AM
OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees. Car started, ran and did NOT
stall, so it is a temperature issue.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Randy,

Andrew stated earlier that he had the valve adjusted AFTER the problem
started, to see if that would help.

If the idle speed adjustment does not resolve the problem, and neither do
new fuel filters, then I would suspect the injection pump governor is the
culprit.

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ever check the compression?
> Who did the valve adjustment?
> This appeared after the valve adjustment so maybe one of the valves is not
> sealing when it is cold and giving you a dead cylinder.
> Someone else (Curley?) suggested this earlier.
>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Maybe so, but we are trying to help you and sometimes it sounds like you 
do not want our suggestions.
What are the odds that I am right that it lacks compression in at least 
one cylinder until it warms up some?


RB


On 08/02/2017 3:43 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

OMG the car has 350,000 miles.  No way I expect perfection.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


How briefly? Should fire on the first compression stroke, no cranking...
-Curt

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Car starts right up afte cranking breifly - same as 5 years ago.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 08/02/2017 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.

Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says

to

ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor
that
controls the idle at ignition.



Ok, so next question, is how well does it actually start?
Might you have bad glow plugs in one or more holes and thus not be firing
on all cylinders when you first start up?
Once it warms up enough to fire the dead cylinder(s) it then idles like

it

should.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

OMG the car has 350,000 miles.  No way I expect perfection.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 4:36 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How briefly? Should fire on the first compression stroke, no cranking...
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>  Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2017 3:59 PM
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls
>
> Car starts right up afte cranking breifly - same as 5 years ago.
>
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > On 08/02/2017 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.
> >>
> >> Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
> >> stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says
> to
> >> ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor
> >> that
> >> controls the idle at ignition.
> >>
> >>
> > Ok, so next question, is how well does it actually start?
> > Might you have bad glow plugs in one or more holes and thus not be firing
> > on all cylinders when you first start up?
> > Once it warms up enough to fire the dead cylinder(s) it then idles like
> it
> > should.
> >
> > RB
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

How briefly? Should fire on the first compression stroke, no cranking...
-Curt

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Car starts right up afte cranking breifly - same as 5 years ago.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/02/2017 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.
>>
>> Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
>> stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
>> ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor
>> that
>> controls the idle at ignition.
>>
>>
> Ok, so next question, is how well does it actually start?
> Might you have bad glow plugs in one or more holes and thus not be firing
> on all cylinders when you first start up?
> Once it warms up enough to fire the dead cylinder(s) it then idles like it
> should.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

Ever check the compression?
Who did the valve adjustment?
This appeared after the valve adjustment so maybe one of the valves is 
not sealing when it is cold and giving you a dead cylinder.

Someone else (Curley?) suggested this earlier.

RB

On 08/02/2017 2:59 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Car starts right up afte cranking breifly - same as 5 years ago.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


On 08/02/2017 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:


There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.

Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor
that
controls the idle at ignition.



Ok, so next question, is how well does it actually start?
Might you have bad glow plugs in one or more holes and thus not be firing
on all cylinders when you first start up?
Once it warms up enough to fire the dead cylinder(s) it then idles like it
should.

RB

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Car starts right up afte cranking breifly - same as 5 years ago.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> On 08/02/2017 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.
>>
>> Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
>> stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
>> ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor
>> that
>> controls the idle at ignition.
>>
>>
> Ok, so next question, is how well does it actually start?
> Might you have bad glow plugs in one or more holes and thus not be firing
> on all cylinders when you first start up?
> Once it warms up enough to fire the dead cylinder(s) it then idles like it
> should.
>
> RB
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

On 08/02/2017 1:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.

Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor that
controls the idle at ignition.



Ok, so next question, is how well does it actually start?
Might you have bad glow plugs in one or more holes and thus not be 
firing on all cylinders when you first start up?
Once it warms up enough to fire the dead cylinder(s) it then idles like 
it should.


RB

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There is no dash control know as on the earlier 115 diesels.

Idle speed is irrelevant - won't idle more than a few secs before
stalling.  Once warmed up it's around 750 (normal range).  My tech says to
ramp up the idle speed and see if that helps.  There is no temp sensor that
controls the idle at ignition.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> What is the cold idle speed?
>
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>> February 8, 2017 at 11:56 AM
>> OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees. Car started, ran and did NOT
>> stall, so it is a temperature issue.
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

What is the cold idle speed?


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
February 8, 2017 at 11:56 AM
OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees. Car started, ran and did NOT
stall, so it is a temperature issue.



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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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On 08/02/2017 11:56 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees.  Car started, ran and did NOT
stall, so it is a temperature issue.



But you knew that as you said it was fine once it warmed up.
 I don't have any personal experience with the turbo engine so I could 
out in left field, but do vehicles that old, and especially old diesel 
engines have temperature sensors that would be the culprit?
 I suggest you crank up the idle speed enough to make it act better 
without moving it up enough to make it too high once it warms up.
Do these vehicles have the knob on the dash that permits you to raise 
the idle like my 76 300D?


RB

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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OK, this morning it was over 50 degrees.  Car started, ran and did NOT
stall, so it is a temperature issue.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2017 at 8:56 AM, tyee165 via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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> Would you not think that much of what you have suggested would continue to
> cause the same issues after it warmed up?I think he likely just needs to
> crank up the idle speed a bit.
>
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>
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > > Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving
> when
> > > braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a
> valve
> > > adjustment.
> > > ___
>
> How long since you changed primary fuel filter? secondary? Fuel primer
> pump?
> Air leak into fuel suction line caused during valve adjust?
> How long since fuel tank was cleaned and/or tank filter cleaned? Do you
> use fuel additive regularly?
> Fuel cut-off linkage jammed part way?
> Air supply blocked with debris? (I've had this happen.)
> Air line to fuel tank blocked? (Vacuum noise when you take off fuel tank
> cap.)
> Old,disintegrating fuel line blocking fuel flow?
> Good luck,
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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Would you not think that much of what you have suggested would continue to 
cause the same issues after it warmed up?I think he likely just needs to crank 
up the idle speed a bit.


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> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
> > braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
> > adjustment.
> > ___

How long since you changed primary fuel filter? secondary? Fuel primer pump?
Air leak into fuel suction line caused during valve adjust? 
How long since fuel tank was cleaned and/or tank filter cleaned? Do you use 
fuel additive regularly?
Fuel cut-off linkage jammed part way? 
Air supply blocked with debris? (I've had this happen.)
Air line to fuel tank blocked? (Vacuum noise when you take off fuel tank cap.)
Old,disintegrating fuel line blocking fuel flow?
Good luck,
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

I like the fuel filters idea, as well as looking at the idle speed
adjustment.

When did this problem start?  Sudden onset, or gradual degradation?

The only other thought would be that someone messed with the accelerator
linkages and all those will need to be reset back to factory spec.

-
Max
Charleston SC

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> How long since you changed primary fuel filter? secondary?
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
> > braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
> > adjustment.
> > ___

How long since you changed primary fuel filter? secondary? Fuel primer pump?
Air leak into fuel suction line caused during valve adjust? 
How long since fuel tank was cleaned and/or tank filter cleaned? Do you use 
fuel additive regularly?
Fuel cut-off linkage jammed part way? 
Air supply blocked with debris? (I've had this happen.)
Air line to fuel tank blocked? (Vacuum noise when you take off fuel tank cap.)
Old,disintegrating fuel line blocking fuel flow?
Good luck,
Gerry

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[MG via Mercedes]

Valves too loose? The gap closes up as the engine warms up so it 
will start to idle faster.


Just a guess of course.

If you give up on it I will still give you $500 even though it's 
worth less then that due to the low scrap iron prices. After all 
it may have a couple of usable parts on it. ;-)


Manfred

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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Get a bottle of Power Service Diesel Kleen (the grey bottle), Autozone ought to 
have it. Put the whole bottle into a half full or less tank of fuel, get on the 
highway and drive hard for a couple hours, then turn around and drive hard back.
See if the problems persist. If things get better drive it harder.
-Curt

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I had the valves adjusted to solve this problem.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> There is a hex bolt that can be accessed with a crow's foot wrench on an
> extension - is that what you're referring to?
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
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>> Idle set too low? There is no cold idle compensation on the 617 so if
>> idle is set too low it will die.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving
>> when
>> > braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a
>> valve
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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Pretty sure it will turn out to be the idle adjustment screw.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
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> Andy asks:
>
> >‎What gives? Just had a valve adjustment.
>
> You just answered your own question.
>
> Have them reset the valves.
>
> As my auto shop teacher used to ask,
> "What was the last thing you 'fixed'?"
> "Well, that's probably the problem."
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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Andy asks:

>‎What gives? Just had a valve adjustment.

You just answered your own question. 

Have them reset the valves. 

As my auto shop teacher used to ask,
"What was the last thing you 'fixed'?"
"Well, that's probably the problem."

Rick 

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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I had the valves adjusted to solve this problem.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:20 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:

> There is a hex bolt that can be accessed with a crow's foot wrench on an
> extension - is that what you're referring to?
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> Idle set too low? There is no cold idle compensation on the 617 so if
>> idle is set too low it will die.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> > On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving
>> when
>> > braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a
>> valve
>> > adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

And, Andrew said it just had a valve adjustment so maybe something got  
changed in the fuel control linkage when they moved stuff around to get 
the cam cover off, which is why the idle is now too low.


RB

On 07/02/2017 2:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

Idle set too low? There is no cold idle compensation on the 617 so if idle is 
set too low it will die.

Sent from my iPhone


On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
 wrote:

Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

There is a hex bolt that can be accessed with a crow's foot wrench on an
extension - is that what you're referring to?

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Idle set too low? There is no cold idle compensation on the 617 so if idle
> is set too low it will die.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On Feb 7, 2017, at 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving
> when
> > braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a
> valve
> > adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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Idle set too low? There is no cold idle compensation on the 617 so if idle is 
set too low it will die.

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> Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
> braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
> adjustment.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

LOL.  Seriously - if this behavior persists I might as well drive a gas car.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> On 07/02/2017 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving
>> when
>> braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
>> adjustment.
>> ___
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>
> You sold the wrong car to Kyle. His is working fine.
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD starts and stalls

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On 07/02/2017 1:16 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Car (1983 300TD) starts OK but stalls out unless I do two-foot driving when
braking.  After warming up everything is OK.  What gives? Just had a valve
adjustment.
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You sold the wrong car to Kyle. His is working fine.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[MG via Mercedes]

The cheapest thing in my experience that might improve things is 
the Diesel Purge. Turning the idle speed up is a solution which 
will work while the engine is cold and then cause the engine to 
run too fast at warm idle. So if the Diesel Purge doesn't work 
then my advice is to use your foot to keep it running when cold 
and leave the idle where it is as long as it is fast enough to be 
correct when warm or get the pump rebuilt. The springs in the 
pumps get older and weaker and need replacement or adjustment. 
Only a rebuild will give you that like new performance. If you 
don't want to pay for that then you have to decide what you want 
to do and put up with the possibly less then optimal result.


Manfred


Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

It bothered me enough to cast a lifeline.

The cheapest fixes are, in no particular order:

1) check and replace prefuel filter ($2.50)

2) replace main fuel filter ($7.50)

3) adjust IP adjustment fitting to increase idle speed using crow's foot
plus extension rod, and

4) run a can of Diesel Purge ($9.50),

5) rebuild the injection pump ($1500 or ??).

I will sell the car before trying number 5.


On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 10:29 AM, MG via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
wrote:


While there is no cold idle enrichment, there is an idle speed control
inside the pump which, in conjunction with the external user adjustable
idle speed setting, should keep the engine idling at the correct speed.
This is all part of the speed governing system and is adjusted when the
pump is being set up on the injection bench. This governing system should
work not only when the engine is cold but also should work to increase or
decrease the injection amount in response to load on the engine at idle to
keep the idle speed at the externally set speed at all times. As the pump
ages and gunk builds up internally this adjustment may not work as well as
it should. It's possible that doing the diesel purge cleaning will fix it
but the real fix is to rebuild the pump at which time all those internal
adjustments will or should be reset to the correct specs.

For those who have a car with the 617 engine you may have noticed the
slight increase of idle speed followed by a reduction of that speed as the
engine warms up after a cold start in the morning. I have noticed this
often and it may happen several times if you let the car sit there and warm
up. That is not to say that you should do this or even that it is good for
the engine but it will happen if you get a chance to try this. That said I
also have a couple of cars in which I have noticed the same problem as
Andrew has with his. Those cars also will not increase the idle when the AC
compressor turns on. Does it bother me? Yeah, a little bit but not enough
to do anything about it right now.

Manfred


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The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature
which I believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe his
idle is just set too low to begin with.


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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[rogerhga--- via Mercedes]

Andrew, 
In the Winter, I used to turn my Alda up about 1/2 turn to give it more fuel 
for running when cold. When warm weather returned, I'd set the Alda back the 
1/2 turn. It seemed to work fine. Otherwise, I'd have to keep giving it fuel 
when cold and first started. Mine is an 83 300D. 
Just a thought... 
Roger 
Roger Hale 
Dinnerware Classics, Inc. 
Monroe, Ga. 
770-267-0850 
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

The 617 does not have any sort of fuel enrichment or idle up feature which I 
believe the 60x does have some sort of fuel enrichment. Maybe his idle is just 
set too low to begin with.

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> On Apr 7, 2016, at 11:24 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I've had a few cars do this.  I never did figure it out.  It's related to
> whatever inside the injection pump regulated idle speed.  When the engine
> is cold. It needs more fuel.
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
>> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
>> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
>> something else going on here?
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
>> 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Leaking lines keep it from starting. Clogged filters keep it from running
after starting.

On Thu, Apr 7, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I was thinking leaking fuel hose which drains the lines.
> -Curt
>
>   From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
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>
> Clogged main el filter leads to loss of power at highway speeds under
> load.  I will check the prefilter.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > Has it joined a govt union recently?  Has it transgendered to female?  (I
> > understand that behavior can sometimes occur, so I've been told)
> >
> > If not, I would CHANGE YOUR FUSES then CHECK YOUR FILTERS.  Could be the
> > ALDA too?  Are all your hoses connected and that one from the back of the
> > intake manifold is not clogged, cracked, broken, or clogged in the
> manifold?
> >
> > --R
> >
> >
> > On 4/6/16 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> >
> >> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
> >> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for
> this
> >> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or
> >> is
> >> something else going on here?
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

I've had a few cars do this.  I never did figure it out.  It's related to
whatever inside the injection pump regulated idle speed.  When the engine
is cold. It needs more fuel.
Jaime


On Wednesday, April 6, 2016, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
> something else going on here?
>
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

I was thinking leaking fuel hose which drains the lines.
-Curt

  From: Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 To: Mercedes Discussion List <mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
Cc: Andrew Strasfogel <astrasfo...@gmail.com>
 Sent: Thursday, April 7, 2016 11:59 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls
   
Clogged main el filter leads to loss of power at highway speeds under
load.  I will check the prefilter.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Has it joined a govt union recently?  Has it transgendered to female?  (I
> understand that behavior can sometimes occur, so I've been told)
>
> If not, I would CHANGE YOUR FUSES then CHECK YOUR FILTERS.  Could be the
> ALDA too?  Are all your hoses connected and that one from the back of the
> intake manifold is not clogged, cracked, broken, or clogged in the manifold?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/6/16 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
>> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
>> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or
>> is
>> something else going on here?
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
>> 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Clogged main el filter leads to loss of power at highway speeds under
load.  I will check the prefilter.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 11:03 PM, Rich Thomas via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Has it joined a govt union recently?  Has it transgendered to female?  (I
> understand that behavior can sometimes occur, so I've been told)
>
> If not, I would CHANGE YOUR FUSES then CHECK YOUR FILTERS.  Could be the
> ALDA too?  Are all your hoses connected and that one from the back of the
> intake manifold is not clogged, cracked, broken, or clogged in the manifold?
>
> --R
>
>
> On 4/6/16 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
>> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
>> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or
>> is
>> something else going on here?
>>
>> Andrew
>> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
>> 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
>> ___
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Rich Thomas via Mercedes]

Has it joined a govt union recently?  Has it transgendered to female?  
(I understand that behavior can sometimes occur, so I've been told)


If not, I would CHANGE YOUR FUSES then CHECK YOUR FILTERS.  Could be the 
ALDA too?  Are all your hoses connected and that one from the back of 
the intake manifold is not clogged, cracked, broken, or clogged in the 
manifold?


--R

On 4/6/16 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
something else going on here?

Andrew
1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[OK Don via Mercedes]

Clogged fuel filter or other lack of sufficient fuel.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 9:54 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I thought maladjusted valves led to hard starting woes.  Still, it's been
> awhile since they were adjusted so that could be it.
>
> On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> > wrote:
>
> > Valve adjustment?
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.
> It
> > > fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for
> > this
> > > behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically
> or
> > is
> > > something else going on here?
> > >
> > > Andrew
> > > 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> > > 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I thought maladjusted valves led to hard starting woes.  Still, it's been
awhile since they were adjusted so that could be it.

On Wed, Apr 6, 2016 at 10:35 PM, Dimitri via Mercedes  wrote:

> Valve adjustment?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
> > fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for
> this
> > behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or
> is
> > something else going on here?
> >
> > Andrew
> > 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> > 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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Re: [MBZ] W123 300TD Starts and stalls

[Dimitri via Mercedes]

Valve adjustment?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2016, at 10:18 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> My 1983 30TD has for the past few months been acting like a gas car.  It
> fires up, then idles slowly and stalls out.  I have to warm it up for this
> behavior to cease.  Should I simply raise the idle speed mechanically or is
> something else going on here?
> 
> Andrew
> 1983 300TD  Stalls when cold
> 1985 300TD  Needs replacement radiator
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