Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats
Alex wrote and provided the following link: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I know a lot of them had the rear facing seat. I don't know what it is, but I like these big old wagons. I really like the Woody Wagons (the Ford Country Squire of the 70's and 80's), the Olds Custom Cruiser (the Big one, not that stupid Cierra wagon version), the Big Buick Roadmaster Wagon (of the 80's and 90's), etc. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Me too. I have always wanted to build an Olds Vista Cruiser with a built 6.2 diesel. Mike On Dec 7, 2012 9:36 AM, Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com wrote: Alex wrote and provided the following link: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I know a lot of them had the rear facing seat. I don't know what it is, but I like these big old wagons. I really like the Woody Wagons (the Ford Country Squire of the 70's and 80's), the Olds Custom Cruiser (the Big one, not that stupid Cierra wagon version), the Big Buick Roadmaster Wagon (of the 80's and 90's), etc. Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Rich wrote: My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. Oh. Wow. You have an old Eldo? With the 502 engine? What year? Some of those are very cool cars even if they are land barges. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Phillip wrote: It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. A word jumped out at me when I read that. Overhaul. There's another thing you very rarely hear anymore. Overhaul. No one overhauls engines anymore. Of course, we used to have overhaul engines just to get them to 100,000 miles. Are there any shops around anymore that could even overhaul an engine? Donald H. Snook ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald wrote: I don't know what it is, but I like these big old wagons. I really like the Woody Wagons (the Ford Country Squire of the 70's and 80's), the Olds Custom Cruiser (the Big one, not that stupid Cierra wagon version), the Big Buick Roadmaster Wagon (of the 80's and 90's), etc. Michael Canfield wrote: Me too. I have always wanted to build an Olds Vista Cruiser with a built 6.2 diesel. I just read about a fellow that did that. But I think it was a newer car. It was on the longroof forum. There it is. http://gmlongroof.4umer.com/t272-hybrid-longroof-locomotive --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Donald Snook wrote: Phillip wrote: It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. A word jumped out at me when I read that. Overhaul. There's another thing you very rarely hear anymore. Overhaul. No one overhauls engines anymore. Of course, we used to have overhaul engines just to get them to 100,000 miles. Are there any shops around anymore that could even overhaul an engine? Shop? Who said anything about a shop? *smiles* I do my own work. For under $300 I can get a kit with parts to do a rebuild. Less than $100 for a ring and bearing overhaul kit, which is probably all this engine needs. --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There's a convertible Eldo for sale on the side of the road not too far from my house, red with a white top. Looks very sharp, original. Maybe the local urban boys will pimp it. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:06 AM To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats Rich wrote: My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. Oh. Wow. You have an old Eldo? With the 502 engine? What year? Some of those are very cool cars even if they are land barges. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That thing has been around awhile. --R On 12/7/12 1:06 PM, Max Dillon wrote: There's a convertible Eldo for sale on the side of the road not too far from my house, red with a white top. Looks very sharp, original. Maybe the local urban boys will pimp it. -Max -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Donald Snook Sent: Friday, December 07, 2012 10:06 AM To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wagon with third row seats Rich wrote: My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. Oh. Wow. You have an old Eldo? With the 502 engine? What year? Some of those are very cool cars even if they are land barges. Donald H. Snook http://www.mtsqh.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 05/12/2012 5:31 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. Oh, yes, Ventura = Nova, right? Stick a 455 in there and it'll stand on its nose from having all the weight in the wrong end. Mitch. ___ His primary problem has been with the engine running too hot. It cooks the starter so it is difficult to start after it has been run for any length of time. He is not running anything too wild. It has original cast iron exhaust manifolds and the cast iron intake and factory 4 bbl as I recall. He put a posi rear end in as it just wanted to spin the one tire if you stepped on it. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or a Duster with the 340. A cousin had a '72 with a 340 and a 3 speed manual. It would do 105 mph in 2nd. No tach so I don't know what rpm it was turning but it would really go. Randy On 05/12/2012 5:46 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: Nova Omega Ventura Apollo. Stick a big block in any of them and hang on tight. Had a 340hp 327 small block in a 4 door Nova..ate big block cars off the line bad. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 6:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. Oh, yes, Ventura = Nova, right? Stick a 455 in there and it'll stand on its nose from having all the weight in the wrong end. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 05/12/2012 6:57 PM, Fmiser wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Well, my fuel injected F150 is only doing about 11 mpg - on the imperial gallon - around town these days so I have to remain sceptical. Those big old cars must have weighed as much as my truck and they generally had bigger motors and did not have injection etc. They likely had a lower final drive ratio but even then, I have a hard time believing good mileage. At road speeds, the biggest engine load is from air resistance. The biggest factor in air resistance is frontal area. So even if the car weighed the same as the pickup, because it is shorter, the engine will not have to work as hard. My carbureted 350 (5.7 L) in the 3/4 ton with 1:1 top gear truck gets 11 MPG. When a bit younger, the carbureted 350 (5.7L) in the 1/2 ton Suburban with the overdrive automatic transmission would consistently get 14 MPG unless very heavily loaded or pulling a tall trailer. It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. -- Philip ___ Yeah, but . . . around town is not road speeds. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Think of that big ole 455 running at typical Diesel rpm's, just loafing around, never really having to strain to move the car. Same reason a big block wrecker will often get better mpg than a small block. Gotta run the snot out of the small block to move 10 or 11k pounds, while the big block does it with ease. Mike On Dec 6, 2012 11:58 AM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 05/12/2012 6:57 PM, Fmiser wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Well, my fuel injected F150 is only doing about 11 mpg - on the imperial gallon - around town these days so I have to remain sceptical. Those big old cars must have weighed as much as my truck and they generally had bigger motors and did not have injection etc. They likely had a lower final drive ratio but even then, I have a hard time believing good mileage. At road speeds, the biggest engine load is from air resistance. The biggest factor in air resistance is frontal area. So even if the car weighed the same as the pickup, because it is shorter, the engine will not have to work as hard. My carbureted 350 (5.7 L) in the 3/4 ton with 1:1 top gear truck gets 11 MPG. When a bit younger, the carbureted 350 (5.7L) in the 1/2 ton Suburban with the overdrive automatic transmission would consistently get 14 MPG unless very heavily loaded or pulling a tall trailer. It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. -- Philip __**_ Yeah, but . . . around town is not road speeds. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I remember my uncle having a 1970's Pontiac wagon that also had a forward facing 3rd row seat. When it was in use, there was a small amount of cargo room behind it. I'm not sure of the exact model, but I rode back there a few times. Kevin, MB Dieselless in Laporte, Colorado ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah I remember some that did, 60s and 70s models. Like the TD seat, folded up from the floor in the wayback. I think some might have been forward-facing too, but hard to get into. --R On 12/5/12 2:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Don't forget the Ford LTD Country Squire Estate Wagon. Wow what a namelol Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A name almost as bad as the Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d' Elegance. Sp? Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:45 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget the Ford LTD Country Squire Estate Wagon. Wow what a namelol Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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And don't forget the Wagon Queen Family Truckster --R On 12/5/12 2:46 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: A name almost as bad as the Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d' Elegance. Sp? Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:45 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget the Ford LTD Country Squire Estate Wagon. Wow what a namelol Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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13 bids later, the price is now $3550 with 6 hrs. left in the auction.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1970-Pontiac-Bonneville-Station-Wagon-Big-Block-/261135052276?ru=http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0_from=R40_nkw=261135052276_rdc=1forcev4exp=true#ht_500wt_1182 On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know both Ford and Chevy had wagons of that vintage with tear facing third row seats. Vista Cruiser, etc., were all like that as I recall. Dan who rode in some of those cars as a youngster On Dec 5, 2012, at 2:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain apchamberl...@gmail.com wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I can believe ten around town. I had a Bonneville that would pull that around town easy. The 455 hardly has to run with all of it's torque. The Rochester Q'jet that came on those cars had smaller primaries than most 2bbl carbs of the time. If you had a very light foot you could get some pretty impressive mpg figures. Better gas then too. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: 14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was easy driving. If you really got on it, it was about 8-9mpg. Honest...not kidding. I was a teenager, and every dollar counted! On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: 14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That Rochester was really an impressive carb. My brother and I would turn the air cleaner cover over, and when you opened up the other 2 barrels, it really sucked in the air! On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:42 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: I can believe ten around town. I had a Bonneville that would pull that around town easy. The 455 hardly has to run with all of it's torque. The Rochester Q'jet that came on those cars had smaller primaries than most 2bbl carbs of the time. If you had a very light foot you could get some pretty impressive mpg figures. Better gas then too. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: 14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Family had a green Estate Wagon, with the third row seat. Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300 '87 300TD '73 Balboa 20 Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget the Ford LTD Country Squire Estate Wagon. Wow what a namelol Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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By then the engines were smogged up and the 455 was a weakling but still sucked gas like crazy. My dad had a Bonneville about that year or maybe a 71, with the 455 and it was kinda doggish compared to the 389 4bbl 66 Bonneville I started out driving, and did worse on gas. Neither of them could come close to my buddy's 65 Skylark with the 445 Wildcat engine in it. It is a wonder we survived high school. My other buddy got to drive the family truckster, a bigass Chebbie wagon with a 396, maybe along about a 67 or 68, I don't recall exactly. He brought it over to my house for some exhaust work, we installed a Cherry Bomb which actually improved things noticeably and sounded really nice, until his mom jumped in a coupla days later to get groceries or something and just about had another baby when she fired that thing up. She chewed his butt when he got home that day and made him fix it. Luckily the trash had not yet taken the old muffler away so we put it back on that evening. Back to the family truckster. --R On 12/5/12 3:42 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: I can believe ten around town. I had a Bonneville that would pull that around town easy. The 455 hardly has to run with all of it's torque. The Rochester Q'jet that came on those cars had smaller primaries than most 2bbl carbs of the time. If you had a very light foot you could get some pretty impressive mpg figures. Better gas then too. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: 14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, my fuel injected F150 is only doing about 11 mpg - on the imperial gallon - around town these days so I have to remain sceptical. Those big old cars must have weighed as much as my truck and they generally had bigger motors and did not have injection etc. They likely had a lower final drive ratio but even then, I have a hard time believing good mileage. Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. That is one of the reasons that people like us appreciate the old MB diesels. My 300D only manages high 20's in mileage but back when it was new, that was good mileage. These days, any Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will outdo it quite easily. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:42 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: I can believe ten around town. I had a Bonneville that would pull that around town easy. The 455 hardly has to run with all of it's torque. The Rochester Q'jet that came on those cars had smaller primaries than most 2bbl carbs of the time. If you had a very light foot you could get some pretty impressive mpg figures. Better gas then too. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: 14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My father in law had a big Ford wagon with the wood grain stuff and a 390 if I recall correctly. Cannot recall if it was the Ford or the Mercury but I do recall that he did not keep it all that long because the gas gauge appeared to be connected to the speedometer. When the speedometer needle went up, the fuel needle went down - and almost that quickly. The thing would not go a hundred miles on a tank. It was god awful. It was probably at the beginning of the smog era - around 1969 or 1970. He swapped it for a new 1971 Cougar with a 351. It was actually pretty good on fuel and it was a nice little car. Black with a burgundy interior. He swapped it a year or so later for a caramel coloured 1973 Cougar. A much fancier car but it was just junk from day one. Wierd that they changed that much in a model year or two. The smog equipment at that time just ruined them. You couldn't keep the thing running and it was brand spankng new. He would not give up on Fords though. He swapped it not long after for a Torino. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I really don't consider the mpg my Bonney got good. It was a pig. 10mpg around town sucked. I was used to the mid 20's I got with my Opel. It took a lot of practice to get 10 with that boat but it sure beat the 5-6 my buddy was getting with his Coupe De Ville. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 5:59 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: Well, my fuel injected F150 is only doing about 11 mpg - on the imperial gallon - around town these days so I have to remain sceptical. Those big old cars must have weighed as much as my truck and they generally had bigger motors and did not have injection etc. They likely had a lower final drive ratio but even then, I have a hard time believing good mileage. Everyone waxes nostalgic about the wonder cars of the 60's but most of them were nothing but pigs. That is one of the reasons that people like us appreciate the old MB diesels. My 300D only manages high 20's in mileage but back when it was new, that was good mileage. These days, any Honda Accord or Toyota Camry will outdo it quite easily. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:42 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: I can believe ten around town. I had a Bonneville that would pull that around town easy. The 455 hardly has to run with all of it's torque. The Rochester Q'jet that came on those cars had smaller primaries than most 2bbl carbs of the time. If you had a very light foot you could get some pretty impressive mpg figures. Better gas then too. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 3:37 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: 14 on the highway maybe but you are not going to convince me that it did 10-12 in town. Randy On 05/12/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlht** tp://portland.craigslist.org/**clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_ okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/ http://www.okiebenz.**com/archive/ http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.com http://mail.**okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/**mercedes_okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used
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Randy Bennell wrote: PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. My brother's Olds 98 had a 455 4bbl. Acceleration was quite impressive for something that weighed over two tons. It got something like 15-18mpg if you could baby it for a whole tank, but one 0-60 run with your foot on the floor made the fuel gauge drop a full needle width. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 05/12/2012 5:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. My brother's Olds 98 had a 455 4bbl. Acceleration was quite impressive for something that weighed over two tons. It got something like 15-18mpg if you could baby it for a whole tank, but one 0-60 run with your foot on the floor made the fuel gauge drop a full needle width. Mitch. Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. That is essentially its only purpose. He drives it so little, I don't know why he keeps it around. They built a new house a few years back and he got a 3 car garage so the Ventura could be kept inside at home. It is not a show car but he has done a fair amount of work on it over the years and I guess it is his only real vice. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. Oh, yes, Ventura = Nova, right? Stick a 455 in there and it'll stand on its nose from having all the weight in the wrong end. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My 500 Eldo gets about.. wait, I never checked, and never really cared. Premium too. --R On 12/5/12 6:32 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 5:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. My brother's Olds 98 had a 455 4bbl. Acceleration was quite impressive for something that weighed over two tons. It got something like 15-18mpg if you could baby it for a whole tank, but one 0-60 run with your foot on the floor made the fuel gauge drop a full needle width. Mitch. Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. That is essentially its only purpose. He drives it so little, I don't know why he keeps it around. They built a new house a few years back and he got a 3 car garage so the Ventura could be kept inside at home. It is not a show car but he has done a fair amount of work on it over the years and I guess it is his only real vice. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nova Omega Ventura Apollo. Stick a big block in any of them and hang on tight. Had a 340hp 327 small block in a 4 door Nova..ate big block cars off the line bad. Mike On Dec 5, 2012 6:34 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: Yes, Brian's Ventura will spin the rear tires for as long as you want to hold the pedal down. Oh, yes, Ventura = Nova, right? Stick a 455 in there and it'll stand on its nose from having all the weight in the wrong end. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Exactly! On Dec 5, 2012, at 6:19 PM, Mitch Haley wrote: Randy Bennell wrote: PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. My brother's Olds 98 had a 455 4bbl. Acceleration was quite impressive for something that weighed over two tons. It got something like 15-18mpg if you could baby it for a whole tank, but one 0-60 run with your foot on the floor made the fuel gauge drop a full needle width. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Our '59 Chevy full sized wagon of some sort did -- On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 1:29 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 2012 Passat TDI DSG 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager 1957 C182A ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I had not seen that movie in YEARs, so long I had forgotten most of it. I watched in Sunday. Great movie! On 12/5/2012 1:56 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: And don't forget the Wagon Queen Family Truckster --R On 12/5/12 2:46 PM, Michael Canfield wrote: A name almost as bad as the Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham d' Elegance. Sp? Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:45 PM, Michael Canfield slozuk...@gmail.com wrote: Don't forget the Ford LTD Country Squire Estate Wagon. Wow what a namelol Mike On Dec 5, 2012 2:33 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.**org/clk/cto/3452336232.htmlhttp://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. I think it was standard in Vista Cruiser, Kingswood and the like. My parents' 1972 Chevy Kingswood had it, as did my sister's 1970 Kingswood. Mitch. __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My grandparents bought a brand new 68 Olds Delmont 88 with the rocket 455 or whatever they call it, then my dad got it, then it got hauled to the crusher or something in the early 90's On 12/5/2012 2:34 PM, Jon Agne wrote: I grew up with a '72 Olds 88 455. It would 10-12 around town and 14 on the highway. I later bought a '73 88 with a 350 2-bbl carb. I got a constant 11mpg no matter what. They took regular gas. Jon On Dec 5, 2012, at 3:21 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 05/12/2012 1:21 PM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex Oooh! It has the 455 cid motor too. Now, if that requires the high octane fuel and you get 4 mpg, how much will it cost to go get the groceries? Randy PS - my brother in law has a '72 Ventura with a 455. No idea what the mileage is because he refuses to check it. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy Bennell wrote: Well, my fuel injected F150 is only doing about 11 mpg - on the imperial gallon - around town these days so I have to remain sceptical. Those big old cars must have weighed as much as my truck and they generally had bigger motors and did not have injection etc. They likely had a lower final drive ratio but even then, I have a hard time believing good mileage. At road speeds, the biggest engine load is from air resistance. The biggest factor in air resistance is frontal area. So even if the car weighed the same as the pickup, because it is shorter, the engine will not have to work as hard. My carbureted 350 (5.7 L) in the 3/4 ton with 1:1 top gear truck gets 11 MPG. When a bit younger, the carbureted 350 (5.7L) in the 1/2 ton Suburban with the overdrive automatic transmission would consistently get 14 MPG unless very heavily loaded or pulling a tall trailer. It now gets 12 or less - but after almost 400,000 miles without overhaul, I'm not complaining much. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you had the third seat option, it was rear facing since at least the 1950's as I recall. clay On Dec 5, 2012, at 11:21 AM, Alex Chamberlain wrote: Not a Benz, but... http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/cto/3452336232.html Was the rear-facing third row a common feature back in the heyday of full-size American station wagons? I was a kid in the '70s but my parents had a VW microbus, so this is interesting news to me if so. Alex ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2012 19:39:52 -0800 clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: If you had the third seat option, it was rear facing since at least the 1950's as I recall. We had a 1954 Ford wagon that had the third seat. It was forward facing. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
