Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Consider too the number and type (hdmi, rca, rgb, composite) of inputs
unless you have a video receiver that comverts streams.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020, 12:59 Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
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> How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?
>
> I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
> > Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are allowed to.
> I
> > > end up disconnecting their devices from the internet but it is harder
> now
> > > with all the home schooling stuff as they use the same devices for
> both.
> > >
> > > Anyway not much use for TV. We did watch the Fastest Indian the other
> > night
> > > on an ipad, which the 9yo thought was a great film. It was available
> free
> > > on youtube.
> > >
> > > Karl
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> > >>
> >  Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show
> > time".
> > >>>
> > >>> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
> > >>> paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
> > >>> show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
> > >>
> > >> I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they
> raised
> > >> the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the
> free
> > >> shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
> > >> service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
> > >> the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
> > >> never watch it myself, but the family likes it.
> > >>
> > >> I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
> > >> there's none on now.
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I looked at those but ended up buying a regular LED tv. 

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> On Apr 16, 2020, at 7:43 PM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> The only TV's that I consider to be worthy successors to our Plasmas are the 
> OLEDs.
> When/if the time comes, nothing less need apply.
> 
> -- Jim
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

The only TV's that I consider to be worthy successors to our Plasmas are the 
OLEDs.
When/if the time comes, nothing less need apply.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Our 32" LG was my 15 year anniversary present from work.
I don't need a TV but would spend a couple hundred bucks on a computer monitor.
-Curt

   On Thursday, April 16, 2020, 12:59:36 PM EDT, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?

I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
> Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are allowed to. I
> > end up disconnecting their devices from the internet but it is harder now
> > with all the home schooling stuff as they use the same devices for both.
> >
> > Anyway not much use for TV. We did watch the Fastest Indian the other
> night
> > on an ipad, which the 9yo thought was a great film. It was available free
> > on youtube.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
>  Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show
> time".
> >>>
> >>> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
> >>> paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
> >>> show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
> >>
> >> I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they raised
> >> the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the free
> >> shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
> >> service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
> >> the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
> >> never watch it myself, but the family likes it.
> >>
> >> I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
> >> there's none on now.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

WHat's the smallese TV that has OLED?

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 3:01 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I totally agree, however, there are some things you simply can’t escape
> whether the TV is current or a year old.
>
> Connectivity - Don’t. It adds little in the way of functionality,
> compromises your privacy, and the manufacturer’s applications that are on
> the TV are generally crap. An Amazon Firestick as Karl mentioned previously
> is a far better option for getting content along with a cable box if you’re
> going that direction.
>
> Picture quality - while the UHD TVs have excellent picture quality, the
> OLED TVs have breathtaking picture quality. There’s truly a difference
> between the two. This may or may not matter to you, but definitely compare
> them. While it wouldn’t and didn’t matter to me (I didn’t let anyone watch
> the demo TV in the store, I picked it out and brought it home) I can see
> where it might to some viewers. There really is a striking difference in
> picture quality between the two technologies. However, if it’s double the
> cost it might not make fiscal sense to some as it didn’t to me.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 16, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > As with most consumer tech items, the best values are usually found with
> > the stuff that's one or two years behind the leading edge.
> >
> > That's how I buy phones, computers, etc. I haven't bought a TV in years
> > and if it weren't for the rest of the family I probably would not own
> > one, but the same principle applies.
> >
> > Allan
> >
> > Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> >
> >> I suggest a trip to Costco where they have two aisles of oversized TVs
> of
> >> varying specs and picture quality.  It all boils down to how picky you
> are
> >> in keeping up with the joneses.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?
> >>>
> >>> I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread
> >>>
> >>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
>  I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
>  Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
> 
>  -D
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I totally agree, however, there are some things you simply can’t escape whether 
the TV is current or a year old.

Connectivity - Don’t. It adds little in the way of functionality, compromises 
your privacy, and the manufacturer’s applications that are on the TV are 
generally crap. An Amazon Firestick as Karl mentioned previously is a far 
better option for getting content along with a cable box if you’re going that 
direction.

Picture quality - while the UHD TVs have excellent picture quality, the OLED 
TVs have breathtaking picture quality. There’s truly a difference between the 
two. This may or may not matter to you, but definitely compare them. While it 
wouldn’t and didn’t matter to me (I didn’t let anyone watch the demo TV in the 
store, I picked it out and brought it home) I can see where it might to some 
viewers. There really is a striking difference in picture quality between the 
two technologies. However, if it’s double the cost it might not make fiscal 
sense to some as it didn’t to me.

-D

> On Apr 16, 2020, at 2:41 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As with most consumer tech items, the best values are usually found with
> the stuff that's one or two years behind the leading edge.
> 
> That's how I buy phones, computers, etc. I haven't bought a TV in years
> and if it weren't for the rest of the family I probably would not own
> one, but the same principle applies.
> 
> Allan
> 
> Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> I suggest a trip to Costco where they have two aisles of oversized TVs of
>> varying specs and picture quality.  It all boils down to how picky you are
>> in keeping up with the joneses.
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?
>>> 
>>> I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread
>>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
 Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
 
 -D
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

As with most consumer tech items, the best values are usually found with
the stuff that's one or two years behind the leading edge.

That's how I buy phones, computers, etc. I haven't bought a TV in years
and if it weren't for the rest of the family I probably would not own
one, but the same principle applies.

Allan

Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes  writes:

>  I suggest a trip to Costco where they have two aisles of oversized TVs of
> varying specs and picture quality.  It all boils down to how picky you are
> in keeping up with the joneses.
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?
>>
>> I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>
>> > I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
>> > Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
>> >
>> > -D

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I suggest a trip to Costco where they have two aisles of oversized TVs of
varying specs and picture quality.  It all boils down to how picky you are
in keeping up with the joneses.

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 12:59 PM Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?
>
> I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread
>
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> > I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
> > Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are allowed to.
> I
> > > end up disconnecting their devices from the internet but it is harder
> now
> > > with all the home schooling stuff as they use the same devices for
> both.
> > >
> > > Anyway not much use for TV. We did watch the Fastest Indian the other
> > night
> > > on an ipad, which the 9yo thought was a great film. It was available
> free
> > > on youtube.
> > >
> > > Karl
> > >
> > > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> > >>
> >  Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show
> > time".
> > >>>
> > >>> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
> > >>> paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
> > >>> show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
> > >>
> > >> I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they
> raised
> > >> the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the
> free
> > >> shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
> > >> service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
> > >> the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
> > >> never watch it myself, but the family likes it.
> > >>
> > >> I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
> > >> there's none on now.
> > >>
> > >> Allan
> > >>
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

How much do people feel is reasonable to spend on a TV these days?

I will let someone else put the OT label on this thread

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 12:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen.
> Can’t imagine watching a movie that way.
>
> -D
>
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are allowed to. I
> > end up disconnecting their devices from the internet but it is harder now
> > with all the home schooling stuff as they use the same devices for both.
> >
> > Anyway not much use for TV. We did watch the Fastest Indian the other
> night
> > on an ipad, which the 9yo thought was a great film. It was available free
> > on youtube.
> >
> > Karl
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
> >>
>  Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show
> time".
> >>>
> >>> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
> >>> paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
> >>> show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
> >>
> >> I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they raised
> >> the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the free
> >> shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
> >> service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
> >> the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
> >> never watch it myself, but the family likes it.
> >>
> >> I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
> >> there's none on now.
> >>
> >> Allan
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Everything does that. Facebook, amazon and google all listen in if you give
them permission to use the microphone. I use google voice to dial my phone
in the car and sometimes catch it listening to other things. I have
blacklisted a bunch of google ad sites at home so it probably doesnt track
me there as much as it woukd like.

Keeping the phone on super power saver is a good option. Shuts it all down.
Samsung.

On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 1:51 PM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I kinda like the Firestick though last night it creeped me out. My
> daughter and I went out to drop off recycling and I was telling her that a
> friend had suggested to watch Homeland. So we get home, the girl puts on
> the TV and firestick to watch something and the suggestion that popped up
> was Homeland. My ifōn must have been listening then reporting to Amazon.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > It is all heading toward FireStick for us. We are not Apple people.
> Maybe
> > Roku or similar product as I agree with Dan that Amazon seems to charge
> > extra for many things. It is possible to do Netflix through the Firestick
> > and many other services.
> >
> > My plan is an LS100 or LS500 epson projector, firestick in the Denon
> > receiver which has ethernet and then hdmi out to the projector. I think
> we
> > have space for a 100 inch image and a bunch of speakers in the ceiling
> with
> > subwoofers in the cabinet so it should be nicer than the current ipad
> setup.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:32 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Voice search on Fire Stick is quite effective.
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> >>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:14 AM
> >>> To: Okie Benz 
> >>> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?
> >>>
> >>> The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around
> >> and not
> >>> see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing
> I
> >> was
> >>> searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows,
> we
> >>> watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good
> show
> >>> to have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and
> >> then
> >>> start another and not realize its happened.
> >>> -Curt
> >>>
> >>>On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when
> I
> >>> looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of
> >> content
> >>> they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.
> >>>
> >>> If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with
> >> the OTA
> >>> stuff and be perfectly happy.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
> >>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on
> >>> Amazon Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of
> >>> stuff on there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32"
> >> television
> >>> hooked to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> >>>>
> >>>> "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent
> >>> shows.
> >>>>
> >>>> -Curt
> >>>>
> >>>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >>>  wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming
> >> services have
> >>> DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is
> >> $56/month, and
> >>> it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. Unlimited
> >> storage, so
> >>> you can set schedules for stuff you might not even decide t

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I kinda like the Firestick though last night it creeped me out. My daughter and 
I went out to drop off recycling and I was telling her that a friend had 
suggested to watch Homeland. So we get home, the girl puts on the TV and 
firestick to watch something and the suggestion that popped up was Homeland. My 
ifōn must have been listening then reporting to Amazon. 

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Apr 14, 2020, at 2:18 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It is all heading toward FireStick for us. We are not Apple people. Maybe
> Roku or similar product as I agree with Dan that Amazon seems to charge
> extra for many things. It is possible to do Netflix through the Firestick
> and many other services.
> 
> My plan is an LS100 or LS500 epson projector, firestick in the Denon
> receiver which has ethernet and then hdmi out to the projector. I think we
> have space for a 100 inch image and a bunch of speakers in the ceiling with
> subwoofers in the cabinet so it should be nicer than the current ipad setup.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:32 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Voice search on Fire Stick is quite effective.
>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>>> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
>>> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:14 AM
>>> To: Okie Benz 
>>> Cc: Curt Raymond 
>>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?
>>> 
>>> The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around
>> and not
>>> see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing I
>> was
>>> searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows, we
>>> watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good show
>>> to have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and
>> then
>>> start another and not realize its happened.
>>> -Curt
>>> 
>>>On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I
>>> looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of
>> content
>>> they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.
>>> 
>>> If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with
>> the OTA
>>> stuff and be perfectly happy.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on
>>> Amazon Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of
>>> stuff on there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32"
>> television
>>> hooked to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
>>>> 
>>>> "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent
>>> shows.
>>>> 
>>>> -Curt
>>>> 
>>>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming
>> services have
>>> DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is
>> $56/month, and
>>> it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. Unlimited
>> storage, so
>>> you can set schedules for stuff you might not even decide to watch and
>> it will
>>> sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded some movies on it I might
>> watch,
>>> but to be honest, I never look at it.
>>>> 
>>>> We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV
>> watcher and
>>> she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
>>>> 
>>>> Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into
>> channels,
>>> so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re into any
>> old TV
>>> series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
>>>> 
>>>> With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay
>> ($5/month)
>>> for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than
>>> $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the
>> $225+
>>> we were paying for cable TV.
>>>> 
>&

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

It is all heading toward FireStick for us. We are not Apple people. Maybe
Roku or similar product as I agree with Dan that Amazon seems to charge
extra for many things. It is possible to do Netflix through the Firestick
and many other services.

My plan is an LS100 or LS500 epson projector, firestick in the Denon
receiver which has ethernet and then hdmi out to the projector. I think we
have space for a 100 inch image and a bunch of speakers in the ceiling with
subwoofers in the cabinet so it should be nicer than the current ipad setup.









On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:32 PM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Voice search on Fire Stick is quite effective.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> > Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> > Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:14 AM
> > To: Okie Benz 
> > Cc: Curt Raymond 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?
> >
> >  The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around
> and not
> > see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing I
> was
> > searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows, we
> > watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good show
> > to have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and
> then
> > start another and not realize its happened.
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> >
> >  I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I
> > looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of
> content
> > they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.
> >
> > If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with
> the OTA
> > stuff and be perfectly happy.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on
> > Amazon Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of
> > stuff on there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32"
> television
> > hooked to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> > >
> > > "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent
> > shows.
> > >
> > > -Curt
> > >
> > > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> >  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming
> services have
> > DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is
> $56/month, and
> > it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. Unlimited
> storage, so
> > you can set schedules for stuff you might not even decide to watch and
> it will
> > sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded some movies on it I might
> watch,
> > but to be honest, I never look at it.
> > >
> > > We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV
> watcher and
> > she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
> > >
> > > Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into
> channels,
> > so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re into any
> old TV
> > series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
> > >
> > > With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay
> ($5/month)
> > for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than
> > $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the
> $225+
> > we were paying for cable TV.
> > >
> > > -D
> > >
> > > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never
> > watch TV in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming
> > services now offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get
> would
> > have to have my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I
> need to
> > be able to DVR those also.
> > > >
> > > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > >
> > > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > >

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Voice search on Fire Stick is quite effective.

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Curt Raymond via Mercedes
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2020 11:14 AM
> To: Okie Benz 
> Cc: Curt Raymond 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?
> 
>  The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around and not
> see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing I was
> searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows, we
> watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good show
> to have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and then
> start another and not realize its happened.
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>  I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I
> looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of content
> they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.
> 
> If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with the OTA
> stuff and be perfectly happy.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond 
> wrote:
> >
> > Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on
> Amazon Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of
> stuff on there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32" television
> hooked to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> >
> > "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent
> shows.
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> >
> >
> > From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services 
> > have
> DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is $56/month, and
> it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. Unlimited storage, 
> so
> you can set schedules for stuff you might not even decide to watch and it will
> sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded some movies on it I might watch,
> but to be honest, I never look at it.
> >
> > We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and
> she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
> >
> > Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into 
> > channels,
> so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re into any old 
> TV
> series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
> >
> > With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month)
> for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than
> $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+
> we were paying for cable TV.
> >
> > -D
> >
> > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never
> watch TV in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming
> services now offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would
> have to have my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need 
> to
> be able to DVR those also.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> > >>
> > >> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I
> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> > >>
> > >> https://pluto.tv <https://pluto.tv/>
> > >>
> > >> -D
> > >>
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They do, but you can often get them on demand, that is, when you want to watch 
them, or if not, you can DVR them in advance to watch later. YouTube TV has a 
very good search interface that allows you to search for stuff you like and set 
it up to record future shows or series.

Look at their web site for details.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 12:53 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> So shows on the history channel for example don’t play live like they do on 
> cable? You just watch what you want when you want like you would with Netflix?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> You don't need DVR with streaming, it streams... Youtube for instance, you 
>> don't need DVR, just watch that video later...
>> 
>> -Curt
>> 
>> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:54:47 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV 
>> in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now 
>> offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have 
>> my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able 
>> to DVR those also. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
>>> 
>>> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
>>> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
>>> 
>>> https://pluto.tv
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
>>> 
 On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
 wrote:
 
 A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
 Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you choose.
 During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
 note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser as
 a separate advertisement.
 At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded.. it
 will amaze you.
 
 For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
 "show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
 time.
 Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".
 
 I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
 one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
 never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
 still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200 less
 for no TV...
 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
> channel packages are cruft.
> 
> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there
> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
> matter occasionally, too.
> 
> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or
> 6 really regularly.  I never watch the music channels for instance, and
> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are
> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can 
> only
> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that
> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so
> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of
> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the next
> package 'up'.
>> 
>> Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

So shows on the history channel for example don’t play live like they do on 
cable? You just watch what you want when you want like you would with Netflix?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:37 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> 
> You don't need DVR with streaming, it streams... Youtube for instance, you 
> don't need DVR, just watch that video later...
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:54:47 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV 
> in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now 
> offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have my 
> locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able to 
> DVR those also. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> > 
> > Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
> > loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> > 
> > https://pluto.tv
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > 
> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
> >> Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you choose.
> >> During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
> >> note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser as
> >> a separate advertisement.
> >> At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded.. it
> >> will amaze you.
> >> 
> >> For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
> >> "show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
> >> time.
> >> Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".
> >> 
> >> I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
> >> one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
> >> never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
> >> still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200 less
> >> for no TV...
> >> 
> >>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>> 
> >>> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
> >>> channel packages are cruft.
> >>> 
> >>> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
> >>> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there
> >>> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
> >>> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
> >>> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
> >>> matter occasionally, too.
> >>> 
> >>> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
> >>> 
> >>> -D
> >>> 
>  On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  
>  re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
> >>> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
> >>> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
> >>> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or
> >>> 6 really regularly.  I never watch the music channels for instance, and
> >>> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
> >>> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are
> >>> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can 
> >>> only
> >>> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that
> >>> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so
> >>> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of
> >>> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
> >>> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
> >>> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
> >>> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the next
> >>> package 'up'.
>  
>  Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
> >>> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
> >>> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and
> >>> avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.
> >>> It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on 
> >>> DVR/DVD/VHS.
>  
>  OK, I'm done.  ;-)
>  Stay safe -
>  LarryT
>  06 E350
>  
>  On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > 3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having
> >>> the power of the in

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Thanks Dan.

Ronin is on right now...
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 11:01 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
>
> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I
> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
>
> https://pluto.tv
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
> > Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you
> choose.
> > During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
> > note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser
> as
> > a separate advertisement.
> > At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded..
> it
> > will amaze you.
> >
> > For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
> > "show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
> > time.
> > Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".
> >
> > I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
> > one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
> > never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
> > still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200
> less
> > for no TV...
> >
> > On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
> >> channel packages are cruft.
> >>
> >> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
> >> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion
> there
> >> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
> >> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
> >> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
> >> matter occasionally, too.
> >>
> >> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
> >> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
> >> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
> >> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5
> or
> >> 6 really regularly.   I never watch the music channels for instance, and
> >> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
> >> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There
> are
> >> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can
> only
> >> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package
> that
> >> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but,
> so
> >> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time
> of
> >> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
> >> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
> >> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
> >> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the
> next
> >> package 'up'.
> >>>
> >>> Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
> >> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
> >> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and
> >> avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.
> >> It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on
> DVR/DVD/VHS.
> >>>
> >>> OK, I'm done.  ;-)
> >>> Stay safe -
> >>> LarryT
> >>> 06 E350
> >>>
> >>> On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>  3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having
> >> the power of the internet is great, but it seems like information
> overload
> >> at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler
> >> times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the
> woods
> >> or something.
> 
>  On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> > Better is relative.
> >
> > With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a
> kid
> >> in the 60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things
> back
> >> then look pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were
> still
> >> issues to be dealt with.
> >
> > 3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark,
> >> etc., etc.
> >
> > -D
> >
> >> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Looks like thats CBS owned and they want a cut. Peter Gunn is included... ;)
-Curt

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 11:22:56 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 We noticed that Perry Mason is on Amazon Prime, but you’ve got to pay extra 
for it. ??? I just grab the episodes off the air when it airs twice a day and 
record them on the Tablo. I’ve got a script that runs on my Plex server that 
grabs them off the Tablo and imports them into Plex. I think I have nearly five 
full seasons at this point (they did 9 seasons @about 30 episodes a season 
total.)

There are a bunch of OTA stations here that air old series, like LAFF, GRIT and 
DECADES. I think I get Bob Newhart off of DECADES. These have all those old B&W 
series from back in the day.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around and not 
> see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing I was 
> searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows, we 
> watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good show to 
> have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and then 
> start another and not realize its happened.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I 
> looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of content 
> they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.
> 
> If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with the OTA 
> stuff and be perfectly happy.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on Amazon 
> > Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of stuff on 
> > there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32" television 
> > hooked to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> > 
> > "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent shows.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services 
> > have DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is 
> > $56/month, and it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. 
> > Unlimited storage, so you can set schedules for stuff you might not even 
> > decide to watch and it will sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded 
> > some movies on it I might watch, but to be honest, I never look at it.
> > 
> > We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and 
> > she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
> > 
> > Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into 
> > channels, so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re 
> > into any old TV series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
> > 
> > With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month) 
> > for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than 
> > $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+ 
> > we were paying for cable TV.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch 
> > > TV in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming 
> > > services now offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get 
> > > would have to have my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. 
> > > Plus I need to be able to DVR those also. 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > >> >> wrote:
> 
> > >> 
> > >> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> > >> 
> > >> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
> > >> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> > >> 
> > >> https://pluto.tv   > >> >
> > >> 
> > >> -D
> > >> 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We noticed that Perry Mason is on Amazon Prime, but you’ve got to pay extra for 
it. ??? I just grab the episodes off the air when it airs twice a day and 
record them on the Tablo. I’ve got a script that runs on my Plex server that 
grabs them off the Tablo and imports them into Plex. I think I have nearly five 
full seasons at this point (they did 9 seasons @about 30 episodes a season 
total.)

There are a bunch of OTA stations here that air old series, like LAFF, GRIT and 
DECADES. I think I get Bob Newhart off of DECADES. These have all those old B&W 
series from back in the day.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 11:14 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around and not 
> see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing I was 
> searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows, we 
> watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good show to 
> have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and then 
> start another and not realize its happened.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I 
> looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of content 
> they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.
> 
> If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with the OTA 
> stuff and be perfectly happy.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  > > wrote:
> > 
> > Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on Amazon 
> > Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of stuff on 
> > there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32" television 
> > hooked to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> > 
> > "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent shows.
> > 
> > -Curt
> > 
> > On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services 
> > have DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is 
> > $56/month, and it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. 
> > Unlimited storage, so you can set schedules for stuff you might not even 
> > decide to watch and it will sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded 
> > some movies on it I might watch, but to be honest, I never look at it.
> > 
> > We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and 
> > she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
> > 
> > Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into 
> > channels, so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re 
> > into any old TV series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
> > 
> > With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month) 
> > for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than 
> > $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+ 
> > we were paying for cable TV.
> > 
> > -D
> > 
> > > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > > >> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch 
> > > TV in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming 
> > > services now offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get 
> > > would have to have my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. 
> > > Plus I need to be able to DVR those also. 
> > > 
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > > 
> > >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> > >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com> 
> > >> >> wrote:
> 
> > >> 
> > >> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> > >> 
> > >> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
> > >> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> > >> 
> > >> https://pluto.tv   > >> >
> > >> 
> > >> -D
> > >> 
> > 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 The annoying thing about Amazon is finding things. I'll search around and not 
see something and then a few days later it'll recommend the very thing I was 
searching for. They have a really good selection of the old B&W shows, we 
watched some "Car 54 Where are you?" episodes the other day. A good show to 
have on if you want to nap. You can miss a bunch of one episode and then start 
another and not realize its happened.
-Curt

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 10:59:17 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I 
looked at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of content 
they want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.

If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with the OTA 
stuff and be perfectly happy.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on Amazon 
> Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of stuff on 
> there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32" television hooked 
> to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> 
> "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent shows.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services 
> have DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is 
> $56/month, and it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. 
> Unlimited storage, so you can set schedules for stuff you might not even 
> decide to watch and it will sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded 
> some movies on it I might watch, but to be honest, I never look at it.
> 
> We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and 
> she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
> 
> Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into 
> channels, so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re 
> into any old TV series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
> 
> With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month) 
> for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than 
> $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+ 
> we were paying for cable TV.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch 
> > TV in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services 
> > now offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to 
> > have my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be 
> > able to DVR those also. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> >> 
> >> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
> >> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> >> 
> >> https://pluto.tv 
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Theres still loads of racism around but its much quieter. I'm surprised when 
somebody my age rolls out a stupid racist comment and while they'll do it in a 
group of white folks I'd bet good money they wouldn't if there was a black guy 
around.
I'm not very tolerant of those attitudes, nor sexism. Once in awhile my parents 
will talk about "those lazy blacks." I point to the lazy whites that live 
across the street from me...
-Curt

On Monday, April 13, 2020, 9:37:30 AM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I’ve mentioned the institutional racism I saw as a kid growing up in 
Indianapolis. For the most part it still exists there outside of the city, it’s 
just more discreet.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, April 13, 2020 8:47 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> As long as you're white and straight...
>> Even in the 70s, which doesn't seem so long ago minorities had it a lot
>> tougher than today.
> 
> In the 1970s and 1980s, I knew black guys who were afraid to go to
> Charlotte. More so than I'm afraid to go into Detroit today.
> These days, a black guy in the Charlotte Wal-Mart would be unusual, but
> not remarkable.
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I haven’t been that impressed with what I’ve seen on Amazon Prime when I looked 
at it. I’m a Prime member, so we have it, but there’s a lot of content they 
want you to pay extra for, or so it seems.

If it wasn’t for the wife’s voracious TV consumption, I would go with the OTA 
stuff and be perfectly happy.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Curt Raymond  wrote:
> 
> Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on Amazon 
> Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of stuff on 
> there. Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32" television hooked 
> to my Mac Pro via HDMI.
> 
> "Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent shows.
> 
> -Curt
> 
> On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services 
> have DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is 
> $56/month, and it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. 
> Unlimited storage, so you can set schedules for stuff you might not even 
> decide to watch and it will sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded 
> some movies on it I might watch, but to be honest, I never look at it.
> 
> We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and 
> she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.
> 
> Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into 
> channels, so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re 
> into any old TV series, they’re probably on it somewhere.
> 
> With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month) 
> for over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than 
> $120/month for everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+ 
> we were paying for cable TV.
> 
> -D
> 
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> > 
> > I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch 
> > TV in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services 
> > now offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to 
> > have my locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be 
> > able to DVR those also. 
> > 
> > Sent from my iPhone
> > 
> >> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> >> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >> 
> >> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> >> 
> >> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
> >> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> >> 
> >> https://pluto.tv 
> >> 
> >> -D
> >> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yes, if he gets a streaming service, it most likely will have DVR or on demand 
capabilities built into it. I don’t know about his area, but with YouTube TV we 
get the local network affiliates, I believe.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 10:36 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You don't need DVR with streaming, it streams... Youtube for instance, you 
> don't need DVR, just watch that video later...
> -Curt
> 
>On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:54:47 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV 
> in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now 
> offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have my 
> locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able to 
> DVR those also. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 I recall finding a quote from Pliny which essentially reads "Kids these days 
are lazy and listen to weird music."
-Curt

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 2:03:28 PM EDT, fmiser via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 > Kaleb wrote:

> As the subject says, was it?

No.

Or yes.  

It was different.  But for at least 4 thousand years, the
up-and-coming younger generation has been worthless, and has no
value, and is degenerate and lazy and won't amount to anything.

> With the situation as it is today it really makes
> me yearn for the good ol' days.

What has changed is government

Oops.  Wrong list.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Old tv series (you had mentioned the Adams Family) often show up on Amazon 
Prime video. I've got Amazon Prime anyway and we watch a lot of stuff on there. 
Other than YouTube its my only "TV". I've got a 32" television hooked to my Mac 
Pro via HDMI.
"Long Way Round" and "Long Way Down" are both on there, excellent shows.
-Curt

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 1:39:27 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services have 
DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is $56/month, and 
it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. Unlimited storage, 
so you can set schedules for stuff you might not even decide to watch and it 
will sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded some movies on it I might 
watch, but to be honest, I never look at it.

We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and 
she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.

Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into channels, 
so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re into any old TV 
series, they’re probably on it somewhere.

With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month) for 
over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than $120/month for 
everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+ we were paying for 
cable TV.

-D

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV 
> in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now 
> offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have my 
> locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able to 
> DVR those also. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
>> 
>> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
>> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
>> 
>> https://pluto.tv
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Edited shorter. 

The "shooting ratio" is the amount of stuff shot divided by the amount of stuff 
that actually makes it into the program. Back in the days of film a 10:1 
shooting ratio was the high side of acceptable. Today since the "footage" is 
much cheaper 20:1 is pretty common. Television is usually tighter because the 
shooting schedule is shorter.

-Curt

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:59:18 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Yes they cut out scenes in order to fit additional commercials. Now days shows 
are just filmed shorter to allow for more commercials.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, April 12, 2020 11:00 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> 
> About 15 years ago I had about 95% of M*A*S*H recorded off the air on VHS.
> Somewhere in the middle of doing that, I realized the plot was there but a
> lot of the gags were missing. Like one episode where somebody put soot in
> the eyecups of Col Potter's binoculars and turned him into a racoon. I'm
> watching the ending credits, see Potter and O'Reilly in the jeep with
> Potter's black eyes, and realized that scene didn't exist in the show I'd
> recorded, but I remembered it from the first time I saw it in the 1970s.
> 
> Then my parents started giving me M*A*S*H DVDs for presents, and I noticed
> my tapes were 22+ minutes long while the DVDs were 25+ minutes. So in 30
> years, commercials had increased from about 5 1/2 minutes to 8 1/2
> minutes.
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 Yup, commercial rates haven't risen anywhere near the rate of inflation, the 
money for those shows has to come from somewhere.
I know, "I paid for cable" great, that pays the delivery service, it doesn't 
pay the network, or the local station. It doesn't pay for the news or the 
weather, that all gets paid for from ad revenue.
We've all got to pay somewhere or the stuff won't get made. I go through this a 
lot on the Youtube subreddit, people don't understand that ads pay for the 
things on the internet that are "free".

-Curt

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:57:40 PM EDT, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 On Sun, April 12, 2020 11:00 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.

About 15 years ago I had about 95% of M*A*S*H recorded off the air on VHS.
Somewhere in the middle of doing that, I realized the plot was there but a
lot of the gags were missing. Like one episode where somebody put soot in
the eyecups of Col Potter's binoculars and turned him into a racoon. I'm
watching the ending credits, see Potter and O'Reilly in the jeep with
Potter's black eyes, and realized that scene didn't exist in the show I'd
recorded, but I remembered it from the first time I saw it in the 1970s.

Then my parents started giving me M*A*S*H DVDs for presents, and I noticed
my tapes were 22+ minutes long while the DVDs were 25+ minutes. So in 30
years, commercials had increased from about 5 1/2 minutes to 8 1/2
minutes.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

 You don't need DVR with streaming, it streams... Youtube for instance, you 
don't need DVR, just watch that video later...
-Curt

On Sunday, April 12, 2020, 12:54:47 PM EDT, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV 
in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now 
offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have my 
locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able to DVR 
those also. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> 
> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I loves 
> my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> 
> https://pluto.tv
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
>> Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you choose.
>> During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
>> note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser as
>> a separate advertisement.
>> At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded.. it
>> will amaze you.
>> 
>> For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
>> "show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
>> time.
>> Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".
>> 
>> I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
>> one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
>> never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
>> still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200 less
>> for no TV...
>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
>>> channel packages are cruft.
>>> 
>>> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
>>> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there
>>> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
>>> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
>>> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
>>> matter occasionally, too.
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
>>> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
>>> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
>>> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or
>>> 6 really regularly.  I never watch the music channels for instance, and
>>> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
>>> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are
>>> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can only
>>> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that
>>> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so
>>> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of
>>> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
>>> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
>>> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
>>> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the next
>>> package 'up'.
 
 Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
>>> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
>>> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and
>>> avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.
>>> It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on DVR/DVD/VHS.
 
 OK, I'm done.  ;-)
 Stay safe -
 LarryT
 06 E350
 
 On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having
>>> the power of the internet is great, but it seems like information overload
>>> at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler
>>> times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the woods
>>> or something.
> 
> On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Better is relative.
>> 
>> With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid
>>> in the 60s and 70s, and all the crap 

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’ve mentioned the institutional racism I saw as a kid growing up in 
Indianapolis. For the most part it still exists there outside of the city, it’s 
just more discreet.

-D

> On Apr 13, 2020, at 9:33 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, April 13, 2020 8:47 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
>> As long as you're white and straight...
>> Even in the 70s, which doesn't seem so long ago minorities had it a lot
>> tougher than today.
> 
> In the 1970s and 1980s, I knew black guys who were afraid to go to
> Charlotte. More so than I'm afraid to go into Detroit today.
> These days, a black guy in the Charlotte Wal-Mart would be unusual, but
> not remarkable.
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

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On Mon, April 13, 2020 8:47 am, Curt Raymond via Mercedes wrote:
> As long as you're white and straight...
> Even in the 70s, which doesn't seem so long ago minorities had it a lot
> tougher than today.

In the 1970s and 1980s, I knew black guys who were afraid to go to
Charlotte. More so than I'm afraid to go into Detroit today.
These days, a black guy in the Charlotte Wal-Mart would be unusual, but
not remarkable.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

As long as you're white and straight...
Even in the 70s, which doesn't seem so long ago minorities had it a lot tougher 
than today.

Curt

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  On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 8:44 PM, Dan Penoff via 
Mercedes wrote:   Better is relative.

With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid in the 
60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back then look 
pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still issues to be 
dealt with.

3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark, etc., etc.

-D

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but when 
> looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored glasses?  It 
> seems to me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the mid 90's, maybe 
> even as late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much better place.  It 
> was still modern but perhaps not by today's standards with all the electronic 
> gadgets etc.  It seems to me like things really started going to hell with 
> the rise of social media.  With the situation as it is today it really makes 
> me yearn for the good ol' days.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

I just put his device's MAC address on a timed firewall.
No internet after 9PM.  Of course, now that he has a smart
phone with independent access through 4G...

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Clay via Mercedes]

Three decades back was more a tipping point than a Golden, or Silver Age.

I think is was a better place to be a kid, but on a steep downward trend.  You 
could still play outside with school friends without being molested by cops and 
nosy nanny neighbors.  Walk or ride a bike to school and eat a PB&J without 
exploding or being castigated into submission.   You could be in band and 
expect to maybe have a chance at playing an instrument live, with a real live 
natural vocalist, not some bumpy-thumpy bass laden skritchy-skratchy 
compu-squeek backing to auto tune lyrics that approach the dissonance of mating 
cicadas.

For people born after 1990, the situation was far worse, as the nannies came 
out in force.  You had to have a Day Planner for your Toddler Playdates.  White 
Guilt was creeping like a slime mold mated to kudzu, making the incipient 
plague of Political Correctness that was born in the 80’s, into a puritanical 
virtue.  There had to be a PROGRAM and Bodyguard on station for you to learn a 
skill, be it reading, bike riding, heaven forbid you climb a tree, let alone 
the playground jungle gym (now whitewashed into Big Toy, to avoid harming non 
whites)

Cars were just beginning to catch the computer complication, but were very 
approachable by any near imbecile who knew the proper end of a wrench or other 
basic hand tool.  Much the same skill set as had held their fathers and 
grandfathers in good stead when wrestling recalcitrant rides.

Medical care was becoming enamored of the Monty Python “Machine That Goes 
Ping”, but still provided reasonable access to care at a price that did not 
bankrupt a person.  You could always go all out for Heroic Measures, but had 
minimal expectation that they would actually have a positive impact.  If you 
had HIV, you were dead, so live your life as best you could, the death sentence 
was laid, just no sure date given.

What I really miss the most is actually dealing with a living human, face to 
face, to conduct your business or other social situation.  No staring at a 
screen for hour on end, unless you had a beer in hand and were watching the 
same set of TV shows the rest of the nation was.  Maybe there was a bit more 
programming available with UPN and CW in your market, otherwise it was the big 
three and PBS, maybe a few UHF stations.  The really hooked in had CABLE with 
their MTV.



clay

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 4:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but when 
> looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored glasses?  It 
> seems to me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the mid 90's, maybe 
> even as late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much better place.  It 
> was still modern but perhaps not by today's standards with all the electronic 
> gadgets etc.  It seems to me like things really started going to hell with 
> the rise of social media.  With the situation as it is today it really makes 
> me yearn for the good ol' days.
> 



clay monroe

I turned my computer upside down and shook it, but the bookmark for what I'm 
looking for didn't fall out.




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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The Nowata airport has all that and is right across the pasture. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 4:07 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When you build a runway ... I would like a straight and level 1200 ft. with
> no trees on the ends.
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> When are you going to fly up here for a visit?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 1:16 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I flew our 63 year old Cessna last weekend, need to do it again as soon
>> as
>>> the T-storms leave the area. While it doesn't have tube radios anymore,
>> and
>>> does have the latest ADS-B in/out, it still has steam gauges, manual
>> flaps,
>>> etc. "They don't make them like they used to" (the newer ones are faster,
>>> carry more load, and are more expensive to maintain).
>>> 
 On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I washed my 36yo Mercedes diesel yesterday and took it out for a spin
>> and
 added a few miles to its 400k. Made me think there are still some good
 things in life, and “old” technology still has a place. It made me
>> happy. I
 need to drive it more. And tighten up the steering box. But I love that
 car.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
> 
> I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
> The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
> years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
> "Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
> changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
> life changes that we presently have?"
> And:
> 
>> "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value],
>> do
>>> our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and
>> are
 we
>>> safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years
 ago
>>> [or 50 years ago]?"
>>> 
>> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
>> extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any
 idiot
>> can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
>> dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If
 someone
>> wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
>> probably junk.
>> 
>> Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on
 anything.
>> We are drowning in garbage.
>> 
>> The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and
 once
>> people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a
 little.
>> 
>> After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the
>> last
>> century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's
>> just
>> gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not
>> soon.
>> 
>> Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
>> because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone
 was
>> getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
>> Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to
 type on
>> (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
>> stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
>> almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
>> 
>> To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
>> fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
>> connections come apart in the wiring).
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Karl wrote:

> Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are
> allowed to. I end up disconnecting their devices from the
> internet but it is harder now with all the home schooling stuff
> as they use the same devices for both.

Set up a very short DHCP lease time and give the portables a bogus
gateway except when it's "school time".

Just a thought.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I thought I saw one on an adjacent property?

-D

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 5:06 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> When you build a runway ... I would like a straight and level 1200 ft. with
> no trees on the ends.
> 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> When are you going to fly up here for a visit?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 1:16 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I flew our 63 year old Cessna last weekend, need to do it again as soon
>> as
>>> the T-storms leave the area. While it doesn't have tube radios anymore,
>> and
>>> does have the latest ADS-B in/out, it still has steam gauges, manual
>> flaps,
>>> etc. "They don't make them like they used to" (the newer ones are faster,
>>> carry more load, and are more expensive to maintain).
>>> 
 On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I washed my 36yo Mercedes diesel yesterday and took it out for a spin
>> and
 added a few miles to its 400k. Made me think there are still some good
 things in life, and “old” technology still has a place. It made me
>> happy. I
 need to drive it more. And tighten up the steering box. But I love that
 car.
 
 --FT
 Sent from iPhone
 
> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
 wrote:
> 
> I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
> The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
> years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
> "Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
> changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
> life changes that we presently have?"
> And:
> 
>> "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value],
>> do
>>> our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and
>> are
 we
>>> safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years
 ago
>>> [or 50 years ago]?"
>>> 
>> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
>> extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any
 idiot
>> can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
>> dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If
 someone
>> wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
>> probably junk.
>> 
>> Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on
 anything.
>> We are drowning in garbage.
>> 
>> The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and
 once
>> people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a
 little.
>> 
>> After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the
>> last
>> century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's
>> just
>> gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not
>> soon.
>> 
>> Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
>> because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone
 was
>> getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
>> Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to
 type on
>> (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
>> stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
>> almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
>> 
>> To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
>> fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
>> connections come apart in the wiring).
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

When you build a runway ... I would like a straight and level 1200 ft. with
no trees on the ends.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 1:44 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> When are you going to fly up here for a visit?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 1:16 PM, OK Don via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I flew our 63 year old Cessna last weekend, need to do it again as soon
> as
> > the T-storms leave the area. While it doesn't have tube radios anymore,
> and
> > does have the latest ADS-B in/out, it still has steam gauges, manual
> flaps,
> > etc. "They don't make them like they used to" (the newer ones are faster,
> > carry more load, and are more expensive to maintain).
> >
> >> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I washed my 36yo Mercedes diesel yesterday and took it out for a spin
> and
> >> added a few miles to its 400k. Made me think there are still some good
> >> things in life, and “old” technology still has a place. It made me
> happy. I
> >> need to drive it more. And tighten up the steering box. But I love that
> >> car.
> >>
> >> --FT
> >> Sent from iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
> >>> The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
> >>> years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
> >>> "Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
> >>> changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
> >>> life changes that we presently have?"
> >>> And:
> >>>
>  "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value],
> do
> > our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and
> are
> >> we
> > safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years
> >> ago
> > [or 50 years ago]?"
> >
> 
> >>>
>  On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>  mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
>  extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any
> >> idiot
>  can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
>  dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If
> >> someone
>  wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
>  probably junk.
> 
>  Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on
> >> anything.
>  We are drowning in garbage.
> 
>  The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and
> >> once
>  people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a
> >> little.
> 
>  After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the
> last
>  century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's
> just
>  gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not
> soon.
> 
>  Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
>  because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone
> >> was
>  getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
>  Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to
> >> type on
>  (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
>  stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
>  almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
> 
>  To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
>  fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
>  connections come apart in the wiring).
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> >
> > "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to
> > pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> >
> > “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”
> Wernher
> > Von Br

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I’m hard pressed to watch anything of significance on a small screen. Can’t 
imagine watching a movie that way.

-D



> On Apr 12, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are allowed to. I
> end up disconnecting their devices from the internet but it is harder now
> with all the home schooling stuff as they use the same devices for both.
> 
> Anyway not much use for TV. We did watch the Fastest Indian the other night
> on an ipad, which the 9yo thought was a great film. It was available free
> on youtube.
> 
> Karl
> 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
 Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show time".
>>> 
>>> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
>>> paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
>>> show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
>> 
>> I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they raised
>> the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the free
>> shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
>> service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
>> the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
>> never watch it myself, but the family likes it.
>> 
>> I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
>> there's none on now.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes]

Yeah. We have kids and they will watch as much as they are allowed to. I
end up disconnecting their devices from the internet but it is harder now
with all the home schooling stuff as they use the same devices for both.

Anyway not much use for TV. We did watch the Fastest Indian the other night
on an ipad, which the 9yo thought was a great film. It was available free
on youtube.

Karl

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020, 11:19 AM Allan Streib via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:
>
> >> Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show time".
> >
> > The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
> > paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
> > show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
>
> I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they raised
> the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the free
> shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
> service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
> the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
> never watch it myself, but the family likes it.
>
> I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
> there's none on now.
>
> Allan
>
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

When are you going to fly up here for a visit?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 1:16 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I flew our 63 year old Cessna last weekend, need to do it again as soon as
> the T-storms leave the area. While it doesn't have tube radios anymore, and
> does have the latest ADS-B in/out, it still has steam gauges, manual flaps,
> etc. "They don't make them like they used to" (the newer ones are faster,
> carry more load, and are more expensive to maintain).
> 
>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I washed my 36yo Mercedes diesel yesterday and took it out for a spin and
>> added a few miles to its 400k. Made me think there are still some good
>> things in life, and “old” technology still has a place. It made me happy. I
>> need to drive it more. And tighten up the steering box. But I love that
>> car.
>> 
>> --FT
>> Sent from iPhone
>> 
>>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
>>> The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
>>> years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
>>> "Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
>>> changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
>>> life changes that we presently have?"
>>> And:
>>> 
 "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value], do
> our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and are
>> we
> safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years
>> ago
> [or 50 years ago]?"
> 
 
>>> 
 On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
 mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
 extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any
>> idiot
 can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
 dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If
>> someone
 wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
 probably junk.
 
 Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on
>> anything.
 We are drowning in garbage.
 
 The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and
>> once
 people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a
>> little.
 
 After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the last
 century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's just
 gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not soon.
 
 Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
 because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone
>> was
 getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
 Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to
>> type on
 (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
 stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
 almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
 
 To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
 fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
 connections come apart in the wiring).
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> -- 
> OK Don
> 
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> pause and reflect." Mark Twain
> 
> “Basic research is what I’m doing when I don’t know what I am doing.”  Wernher
> Von Braun
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Jim Cathey via Mercedes  writes:

>> Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show time".
>
> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are
> paying for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the
> show, exactly as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.

I had Prime for a couple of years, and canceled it last time they raised
the renewal fee. I never ordered enough to offset the cost with the free
shipping, and the other services I just never used. I tried the video
service a couple of times but didn't find it compelling and navigating
the content was awkward compared to Netflix. I'd cancel Netflix too,
never watch it myself, but the family likes it.

I actually never watch TV anymore. I'd watch baseball or hockey, but
there's none on now.

Allan

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[OK Don via Mercedes]

I flew our 63 year old Cessna last weekend, need to do it again as soon as
the T-storms leave the area. While it doesn't have tube radios anymore, and
does have the latest ADS-B in/out, it still has steam gauges, manual flaps,
etc. "They don't make them like they used to" (the newer ones are faster,
carry more load, and are more expensive to maintain).

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 6:48 AM Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I washed my 36yo Mercedes diesel yesterday and took it out for a spin and
> added a few miles to its 400k. Made me think there are still some good
> things in life, and “old” technology still has a place. It made me happy. I
> need to drive it more. And tighten up the steering box. But I love that
> car.
>
> --FT
> Sent from iPhone
>
> > On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> >
> > I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
> > The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
> > years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
> > "Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
> > changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
> > life changes that we presently have?"
> > And:
> >
> >> "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value], do
> >>> our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and are
> we
> >>> safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years
> ago
> >>> [or 50 years ago]?"
> >>>
> >>
> >
> >> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
> >> extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any
> idiot
> >> can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
> >> dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If
> someone
> >> wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
> >> probably junk.
> >>
> >> Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on
> anything.
> >> We are drowning in garbage.
> >>
> >> The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and
> once
> >> people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a
> little.
> >>
> >> After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the last
> >> century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's just
> >> gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not soon.
> >>
> >> Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
> >> because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone
> was
> >> getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
> >> Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to
> type on
> >> (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
> >> stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
> >> almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
> >>
> >> To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
> >> fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
> >> connections come apart in the wiring).
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Kaleb wrote:

> As the subject says, was it?

No.

Or yes.  

It was different.  But for at least 4 thousand years, the
up-and-coming younger generation has been worthless, and has no
value, and is degenerate and lazy and won't amount to anything.

> With the situation as it is today it really makes
> me yearn for the good ol' days.

What has changed is government

Oops.  Wrong list.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Despite our 500+ channels, we end up watching reruns of The Nanny and
Forensic Files most of the time, on free low HD cable.

On my own, it's Restoration Garage (love those Canadians!) or Chasing
Classic Cars.

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 12:59 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Yes they cut out scenes in order to fit additional commercials. Now days
> shows are just filmed shorter to allow for more commercials.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, April 12, 2020 11:00 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> >
> > About 15 years ago I had about 95% of M*A*S*H recorded off the air on
> VHS.
> > Somewhere in the middle of doing that, I realized the plot was there but
> a
> > lot of the gags were missing. Like one episode where somebody put soot in
> > the eyecups of Col Potter's binoculars and turned him into a racoon. I'm
> > watching the ending credits, see Potter and O'Reilly in the jeep with
> > Potter's black eyes, and realized that scene didn't exist in the show I'd
> > recorded, but I remembered it from the first time I saw it in the 1970s.
> >
> > Then my parents started giving me M*A*S*H DVDs for presents, and I
> noticed
> > my tapes were 22+ minutes long while the DVDs were 25+ minutes. So in 30
> > years, commercials had increased from about 5 1/2 minutes to 8 1/2
> > minutes.
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

From the research I did I found that nearly all of the streaming services have 
DVR capabilities built in for free. We use YouTube TV, which is $56/month, and 
it has scheduling and DVR functions as a part of the deal. Unlimited storage, 
so you can set schedules for stuff you might not even decide to watch and it 
will sit there indefinitely. The wife has recorded some movies on it I might 
watch, but to be honest, I never look at it.

We’re very pleased with it compared to cable. The wife’s the TV watcher and 
she’s happy, so that’s really all that matters.

Again, Pluto TV has a lot of content and much of it is organized into channels, 
so it’s easy to pick out the stuff you want to watch. If you’re into any old TV 
series, they’re probably on it somewhere.

With internet access, YouTube TV and a small subscription I pay ($5/month) for 
over the air scheduling for my over the air DVR we pay less than $120/month for 
everything. I’m pretty happy with that compared to the $225+ we were paying for 
cable TV.

-D

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 12:54 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV 
> in real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now 
> offer some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have my 
> locals as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able to 
> DVR those also. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
>> 
>> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I 
>> loves my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
>> 
>> https://pluto.tv
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes they cut out scenes in order to fit additional commercials. Now days shows 
are just filmed shorter to allow for more commercials.

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 11:57 AM, Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Sun, April 12, 2020 11:00 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> 
> About 15 years ago I had about 95% of M*A*S*H recorded off the air on VHS.
> Somewhere in the middle of doing that, I realized the plot was there but a
> lot of the gags were missing. Like one episode where somebody put soot in
> the eyecups of Col Potter's binoculars and turned him into a racoon. I'm
> watching the ending credits, see Potter and O'Reilly in the jeep with
> Potter's black eyes, and realized that scene didn't exist in the show I'd
> recorded, but I remembered it from the first time I saw it in the 1970s.
> 
> Then my parents started giving me M*A*S*H DVDs for presents, and I noticed
> my tapes were 22+ minutes long while the DVDs were 25+ minutes. So in 30
> years, commercials had increased from about 5 1/2 minutes to 8 1/2
> minutes.
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Mitchell Haley EA via Mercedes]

On Sun, April 12, 2020 11:00 am, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.

About 15 years ago I had about 95% of M*A*S*H recorded off the air on VHS.
Somewhere in the middle of doing that, I realized the plot was there but a
lot of the gags were missing. Like one episode where somebody put soot in
the eyecups of Col Potter's binoculars and turned him into a racoon. I'm
watching the ending credits, see Potter and O'Reilly in the jeep with
Potter's black eyes, and realized that scene didn't exist in the show I'd
recorded, but I remembered it from the first time I saw it in the 1970s.

Then my parents started giving me M*A*S*H DVDs for presents, and I noticed
my tapes were 22+ minutes long while the DVDs were 25+ minutes. So in 30
years, commercials had increased from about 5 1/2 minutes to 8 1/2
minutes.

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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I guess I have not noticed this. 

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:05 AM, Jim Cathey via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show time".
> 
> The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are paying
> for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the show, exactly
> as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.
> 
> -- Jim
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I need to do something soon. My main holdback has been DVR. I never watch TV in 
real time except for the news. I think some of the streaming services now offer 
some sort of DVR. Whatever steaming service I get would have to have my locals 
as I’m too far out to get good signal OTA. Plus I need to be able to DVR those 
also. 

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> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:01 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.
> 
> Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I loves 
> my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.
> 
> https://pluto.tv
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
>> Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you choose.
>> During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
>> note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser as
>> a separate advertisement.
>> At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded.. it
>> will amaze you.
>> 
>> For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
>> "show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
>> time.
>> Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".
>> 
>> I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
>> one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
>> never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
>> still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200 less
>> for no TV...
>> 
>>> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
>>> channel packages are cruft.
>>> 
>>> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
>>> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there
>>> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
>>> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
>>> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
>>> matter occasionally, too.
>>> 
>>> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
>>> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
>>> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
>>> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or
>>> 6 really regularly.   I never watch the music channels for instance, and
>>> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
>>> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are
>>> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can only
>>> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that
>>> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so
>>> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of
>>> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
>>> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
>>> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
>>> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the next
>>> package 'up'.
 
 Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
>>> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
>>> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and
>>> avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.
>>> It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on DVR/DVD/VHS.
 
 OK, I'm done.  ;-)
 Stay safe -
 LarryT
 06 E350
 
 On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> 3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having
>>> the power of the internet is great, but it seems like information overload
>>> at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler
>>> times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the woods
>>> or something.
> 
> On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Better is relative.
>> 
>> With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid
>>> in the 60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back
>>> then look pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still
>>> issues to be dealt with.
>> 
>> 3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

> Remember, you are paying for them [advertisements], same as "show time".

The truly infuriating thing I just noticed is that even though we are paying
for Amazon Prime, there are commercials!  They interrupt the show, exactly
as on broadcast.  This is new, in my experience.

-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Roughly 22 minutes of programming for every 30 minutes of air time.

Try Pluto TV. It’s completely free and has a boatload of programming. I loves 
my Addams Family channel when I’m in the mood.

https://pluto.tv

-D


> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:56 AM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
> Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you choose.
> During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
> note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser as
> a separate advertisement.
> At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded.. it
> will amaze you.
> 
> For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
> "show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
> time.
> Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".
> 
> I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
> one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
> never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
> still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200 less
> for no TV...
> 
> On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
>> channel packages are cruft.
>> 
>> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
>> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there
>> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
>> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
>> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
>> matter occasionally, too.
>> 
>> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
>> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
>> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
>> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or
>> 6 really regularly.   I never watch the music channels for instance, and
>> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
>> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are
>> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can only
>> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that
>> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so
>> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of
>> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
>> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
>> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
>> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the next
>> package 'up'.
>>> 
>>> Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
>> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
>> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and
>> avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.
>> It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on DVR/DVD/VHS.
>>> 
>>> OK, I'm done.  ;-)
>>> Stay safe -
>>> LarryT
>>> 06 E350
>>> 
>>> On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having
>> the power of the internet is great, but it seems like information overload
>> at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler
>> times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the woods
>> or something.
 
 On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> Better is relative.
> 
> With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid
>> in the 60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back
>> then look pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still
>> issues to be dealt with.
> 
> 3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark,
>> etc., etc.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but
>> when looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored
>> glasses?  It seems to me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the
>> mid 90's, maybe even as late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much
>> better place.  It was still modern but perhaps not by today's standards
>> 

Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

A little challenge for those of you who pay for TV packages.
Clock yourself for 1 hr of TV watching, any channel or channels you choose.
During that hour, every time an advertisement comes on, make a mark on a
note pad. Since adverts usually run back to back, count each advertiser as
a separate advertisement.
At the end of the hour, count up the number of marks you have recorded.. it
will amaze you.

For the truly industrious, use a stop watch and time the advert time vs
"show time", and add that up with the hash marks... ie number and total
time.
Remember, you are paying for them, same as "show time".

I did exactly this, and canceled cable... bought a broadcast antenna [the
one you see where some guy is on his boat in gulf of Mexico] for $20 and
never looked back... Life is better, for me, anyway. The cable company
still gets a few $$ each month for internet connection, and about $200 less
for no TV...

On Sun, Apr 12, 2020 at 7:28 AM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable
> channel packages are cruft.
>
> I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to
> something I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there
> are some mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered
> recently is Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had
> the History Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject
> matter occasionally, too.
>
> Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.
>
> -D
>
> > On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the
> channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch
> consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I
> suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or
> 6 really regularly.   I never watch the music channels for instance, and
> the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all the
> MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are
> so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because you can only
> select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that
> gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so
> I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of
> the year it is aired, i have to buy the next package Up.  I think the TV
> Package Providers spent millions on special advisors so they would know
> which networks to include in which packages to maximize the # of 'Up'
> package purchases.  Same for the Military Channel - yep, it's in the next
> package 'up'.
> >
> > Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone
> changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next
> channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and
> avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.
> It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on DVR/DVD/VHS.
> >
> > OK, I'm done.  ;-)
> > Stay safe -
> > LarryT
> > 06 E350
> >
> > On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> >> 3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having
> the power of the internet is great, but it seems like information overload
> at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler
> times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the woods
> or something.
> >>
> >> On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
> >>> Better is relative.
> >>>
> >>> With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid
> in the 60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back
> then look pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still
> issues to be dealt with.
> >>>
> >>> 3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark,
> etc., etc.
> >>>
> >>> -D
> >>>
>  On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>  As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but
> when looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored
> glasses?  It seems to me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the
> mid 90's, maybe even as late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much
> better place.  It was still modern but perhaps not by today's standards
> with all the electronic gadgets etc.  It seems to me like things really
> started going to hell with the rise of social media.  With the situation as
> it is today it really makes me yearn for the good ol' days.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

We cut the cord last year and haven’t looked back. So much of the cable channel 
packages are cruft.

I don’t watch TV, other than right before bed when I’ll doze off to something 
I’ve recorded, like Family Guy or Perry Mason. On occasion there are some 
mainstream shows I’ll stop and watch. One the wife discovered recently is 
Damien Lewis’ “Spy Wars” and is pretty engaging. When we had the History 
Channel variants I would watch documentaries on WWII subject matter 
occasionally, too.

Otherwise, the TV would die from lack of use if it relied on me.

-D

> On Apr 12, 2020, at 10:20 AM, Larry Turner via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the channels 
> you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch consistently, 
> say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I suspect out of the 
> hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 or 6 really regularly.   
> I never watch the music channels for instance, and the only sports I watch 
> are Sports car road racing yet I have all the MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 
> ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  There are so many "extra" channels 
> thatare forced upon us merely because you can only select from a few (usually 
> 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a Dish package that gives me 150 +/- channels and 
> I watch less than 10% - likely 5-8%, but, so I can have access to FS1 or FS2 
> so I can watch Le Mans 24 the one time of the year it is aired, i have to buy 
> the next package Up.  I think the TV Package Providers spent millions on 
> special advisors so they would know which networks to include in which 
> packages to maximize the # of 'Up' package purchases.  Same for the Military 
> Channel - yep, it's in the next package 'up'.
> 
> Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone changes 
> the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next channel in a 
> commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and avoid 
> commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no more.  It's 
> irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on DVR/DVD/VHS.
> 
> OK, I'm done.  ;-)
> Stay safe -
> LarryT
> 06 E350
> 
> On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> 3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having the 
>> power of the internet is great, but it seems like information overload at 
>> times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler times 
>> again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the woods or 
>> something.
>> 
>> On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>>> Better is relative.
>>> 
>>> With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid in 
>>> the 60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back then 
>>> look pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still 
>>> issues to be dealt with.
>>> 
>>> 3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark, etc., etc.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but when 
 looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored glasses?  
 It seems to me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the mid 90's, 
 maybe even as late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much better 
 place.  It was still modern but perhaps not by today's standards with all 
 the electronic gadgets etc.  It seems to me like things really started 
 going to hell with the rise of social media.  With the situation as it is 
 today it really makes me yearn for the good ol' days.
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

re: 3-4 stations - next time you have a few minutes, look at all the 
channels you have available to you and make a list of the ones you watch 
consistently, say, more than 1 hour/week, but set your own threshold - I 
suspect out of the hundreds of stations available, we watch less than 5 
or 6 really regularly.   I never watch the music channels for instance, 
and the only sports I watch are Sports car road racing yet I have all 
the MTV's, VH1, etc and 3 or 4 ESPNs, but I am forced to buy them.  
There are so many "extra" channels thatare forced upon us merely because 
you can only select from a few (usually 5 or 6) 'Packages'.  I have a 
Dish package that gives me 150 +/- channels and I watch less than 10% - 
likely 5-8%, but, so I can have access to FS1 or FS2 so I can watch Le 
Mans 24 the one time of the year it is aired, i have to buy the next 
package Up.  I think the TV Package Providers spent millions on special 
advisors so they would know which networks to include in which packages 
to maximize the # of 'Up' package purchases.  Same for the Military 
Channel - yep, it's in the next package 'up'.


Another thing (I know, this is looking like a rant), whenever anyone 
changes the channel, I observed 95%+ of the time you will join that next 
channel in a commercial run.  It used to be we could change channels and 
avoid commercials. (especially with the advent of remotes), but no 
more.  It's irritating, but unavoidable unless you watch everything on 
DVR/DVD/VHS.


OK, I'm done.  ;-)
Stay safe -
LarryT
06 E350

On 4/11/2020 8:48 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having 
the power of the internet is great, but it seems like information 
overload at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in 
the simpler times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move 
out to the woods or something.


On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Better is relative.

With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a 
kid in the 60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and 
things back then look pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, 
but there were still issues to be dealt with.


3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark, 
etc., etc.


-D

On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:


As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but 
when looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose 
colored glasses?  It seems to me the time period of the mid to late 
80's thru the mid 90's, maybe even as late as around 2k (before 911) 
the world was a much better place.  It was still modern but perhaps 
not by today's standards with all the electronic gadgets etc.  It 
seems to me like things really started going to hell with the rise 
of social media.  With the situation as it is today it really makes 
me yearn for the good ol' days.



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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes]

I washed my 36yo Mercedes diesel yesterday and took it out for a spin and added 
a few miles to its 400k. Made me think there are still some good things in 
life, and “old” technology still has a place. It made me happy. I need to drive 
it more. And tighten up the steering box. But I love that car. 

--FT
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> On Apr 11, 2020, at 10:45 PM, G Mann via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
> The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
> years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
> "Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
> changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
> life changes that we presently have?"
> And:
> 
>> "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value], do
>>> our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and are we
>>> safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years ago
>>> [or 50 years ago]?"
>>> 
>> 
> 
>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
>> extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any idiot
>> can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
>> dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If someone
>> wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
>> probably junk.
>> 
>> Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on anything.
>> We are drowning in garbage.
>> 
>> The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and once
>> people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a little.
>> 
>> After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the last
>> century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's just
>> gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not soon.
>> 
>> Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
>> because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone was
>> getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
>> Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to type on
>> (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
>> stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
>> almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
>> 
>> To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
>> fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
>> connections come apart in the wiring).
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>once people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a little

Perhaps, but I doubt that most people, even highly educated people, ever figure 
it out. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[G Mann via Mercedes]

I think we are looking through the wrong end of the telescope.
The question that really needs an answer is not "Were things better 30
years ago?" rather.. the question that needs answered is:
"Is life truly better because of all the technology changes, the social
changes, the automotive changes, the work place changes, and the family
life changes that we presently have?"
And:

> "Do we work less and actually produce and earn more [in real value], do
>> our children actually learn how to survive and thrive in life, and are we
>> safer, richer, more fulfilled in life, than our ancestors of 30 years ago
>> [or 50 years ago]?"
>>
>

On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 7:00 PM Peter Frederick via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by
> extension, social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any idiot
> can publish things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand
> dollars to get something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If someone
> wanted to crank out their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was
> probably junk.
>
> Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on anything.
> We are drowning in garbage.
>
> The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and once
> people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a little.
>
> After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the last
> century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's just
> gonna take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not soon.
>
> Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone
> because Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone was
> getting unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.
> Endless "upgrades" for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to type on
> (my thumbs are bigger than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad),
> stupid touch screen is never working right, and the damned buttons are
> almost impossible to use without accidentally pushing the wrong one.
>
> To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super
> fragile OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the
> connections come apart in the wiring).
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Peter Frederick via Mercedes]

Lol, I said nearly thirty years ago that desktop publishing (and by extension, 
social media now) would be the end of civilization.  Any idiot can publish 
things now -- back when it cost a couple hundred thousand dollars to get 
something in print, the trash got filtered out.  If someone wanted to crank out 
their screed on a mimeograph, everyone knew it was probably junk.

Now it's hard to tell the difference, and there is NO filter on anything.  We 
are drowning in garbage.

The good thing is that this has happened before, multiple times, and once 
people figure out they are being fed garbage they tend to wise up a little.

After all, we had rampant yellow journalism around the turn of the last 
century, and now newspapers are considered reliable sources.  It's just gonna 
take a while with social media -- we will get there, but not soon.

Me, I'm about done with the noise.  Had to upgrade to a "smart" phone because 
Verizon is planning to end support for 3G/1x, and my old phone was getting 
unreliable (and had trouble with "smart" text).  I hate it.  Endless "upgrades" 
for junk I don't use and will never use, hard to type on (my thumbs are bigger 
than the chicklet sized letters on the keypad), stupid touch screen is never 
working right, and the damned buttons are almost impossible to use without 
accidentally pushing the wrong one.

To say nothing of the ridiculous GLASS front and back and the super fragile 
OLED display that fails when you drop the phone (because the connections come 
apart in the wiring).  
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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

3-4 stations sounds good sometimes.  All the tech is nice and having the 
power of the internet is great, but it seems like information overload 
at times and I would gladly give all that up to live back in the simpler 
times again.  Maybe I should sell off everything and move out to the 
woods or something.


On 4/11/2020 7:43 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Better is relative.

With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid in the 
60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back then look 
pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still issues to be 
dealt with.

3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark, etc., etc.

-D


On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but when looking 
backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored glasses?  It seems to 
me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the mid 90's, maybe even as 
late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much better place.  It was still 
modern but perhaps not by today's standards with all the electronic gadgets 
etc.  It seems to me like things really started going to hell with the rise of 
social media.  With the situation as it is today it really makes me yearn for 
the good ol' days.


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Re: [MBZ] Was the world really a better place 30 years ago?

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Better is relative.

With the ability of hindsight, sure. I think about growing up as a kid in the 
60s and 70s, and all the crap kids deal with today and things back then look 
pretty darned good. Certainly a lot simpler, but there were still issues to be 
dealt with.

3-4 TV stations, playing outside pretty much anywhere until dark, etc., etc.

-D

> On Apr 11, 2020, at 8:39 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> As the subject says, was it?  It sure seems to me like it was but when 
> looking backward like that are we just looking thru rose colored glasses?  It 
> seems to me the time period of the mid to late 80's thru the mid 90's, maybe 
> even as late as around 2k (before 911) the world was a much better place.  It 
> was still modern but perhaps not by today's standards with all the electronic 
> gadgets etc.  It seems to me like things really started going to hell with 
> the rise of social media.  With the situation as it is today it really makes 
> me yearn for the good ol' days.
> 
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