Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

This guy has a plumbing company and licensed etc, he is just old school 
and works by himself I guess.


On 6/10/2020 9:23 PM, Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote:

The new age plumbing companies are a rip off.

Professional plumbers are probably more expensive because of permit 
requirements, licensing requirements, and bonding and liability insurance 
requirements. If a house blows up from a gas leak because of an improperly 
installed water heater, how many shysters (present company and spouses of 
present company excepted) are going to line up to sue?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Rick Knoble via Mercedes]

>The new age plumbing companies are a rip off.

Professional plumbers are probably more expensive because of permit 
requirements, licensing requirements, and bonding and liability insurance 
requirements. If a house blows up from a gas leak because of an improperly 
installed water heater, how many shysters (present company and spouses of 
present company excepted) are going to line up to sue?

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Well I remembered my father has some old time plumber he uses and 
recently had him install a water heater and redid all of the gas lines 
under his 100 year old house.  I think my dad said he charged him around 
$1500 to replace all the gas lines, which I would imagine is cheap 
considering the guy had to crawl under the whole thing.  We called him 
earlier and left a message and the guy just called back.  We will buy 
the water heater at Lowes for $409 and he will install it for a little 
over $200.  That sounds more reasonable.  The new age plumbing companies 
are a rip off.


On 6/10/2020 4:58 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes wrote:

Sadly, water heaters are common price gouge items. They know anyone
replacing a water heater is likely in a mild panic and feeling they need
to replace the heater RIGHT NOW.

So they quote the most expensive model and then add on installation and
a generous profit. Some of which is maybe deserved if they actually can
get out there RIGHT NOW with a new heater and install it.

In most cases you can live without hot water for a day or two. Shop
around. Granted with a rental property the tennants may not be so
patient.

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:


Lowe’s will be just as much, I’m sure.

-D


On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I guess 
I’m going to do it myself.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
wrote:

If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub it 
to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a quote on 
my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.

No thanks.

-D


On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
 wrote:

The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at Lowe’s 
at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install it?

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the exact 
some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.

Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the time 
chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go ahead and 
pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working on cars!)

--FT


On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I just 
bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are all 15 
years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I normally 
don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say the warranties 
have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next month though.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
else's.
One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
to the floor drain.
Allan
Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s in 
the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
price but in theory it's more 

Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

When I get a new water heater, or move into a house, one of the critical 
maintenance items is to remove the lousy and cheap plastic drain valve most 
water heaters have now and put a brass nipple with a high quality ball valve 
and a cap on it. No worries about sediment clogged drain valves or being unable 
to get one closed and having it drip.

Turn off power, hook up a garden hose, open ball valve and drain. Then turn on 
water in short bursts to dislodge as much of the scale/sediment and send it out 
the hose.

Fill it back up with the pressure valve open until it spits water out, close 
the pressure valve, run a couple of faucets to get any remaining air out, and 
turn the breaker back on.

-D 

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:57 PM, Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes.  Tanks are glass lined, which is great until glass begins to crack from 
> thermo-cycling and handling.  If the actual tank leaks it must be replaced.  
> Leaks in hoses and fittings (as well as heating elements and thermostats) are 
> economical to replace as parts.  In addition to replacing the anode, periodic 
> draining is a good idea to remove sediment.  Power MUST be turned off before 
> draining or elements will fry.  If tank won't drain (common with sediment) 
> backflush just enough to clear the drain.  Sometimes just stomping on the 
> drain hose helps too. My 15-year-old WH is still OK although I did have to 
> replace a corrugated copper flex hose (hot side) after it corroded through.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
> Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 4:47 PM
> To: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
> Cc: Allan Streib 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement
> 
> In my experience, the tanks always leak eventually. This has been the only 
> reason I've ever needed to replace a water heater. But they last far longer 
> than 5 years unless maybe you have some really corrosive water.
> 
> Also the tank will likely have a replaceable sacrificial anode, which most 
> people are not aware of but if you replace that as needed, in theory the tank 
> should not corrode.
> 
> The heater I replaced last week was original to the house, over 20 years old.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are 
>> the exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
>> 
>> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the 
>> time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental 
>> then go ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like 
>> for working on cars!)
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
>>> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are 
>>> all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I 
>>> normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say 
>>> the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next 
>>> month though.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber 
>>>> and expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with 
>>>> it. Also if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the 
>>>> installation being done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own 
>>>> cars, not anyone else's.
>>>> 
>>>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would 
>>>> add that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually 
>>>> starts leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a 
>>>> floor drain in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the 
>>>> floor was not sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang 
>>>> a leak, the water ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain 
>>>> pipe running directly to the floor drain.
>>>> 
>>>> Allan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>>> 
>>>>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
>>>>> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, a

Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Sadly, water heaters are common price gouge items. They know anyone
replacing a water heater is likely in a mild panic and feeling they need
to replace the heater RIGHT NOW.

So they quote the most expensive model and then add on installation and
a generous profit. Some of which is maybe deserved if they actually can
get out there RIGHT NOW with a new heater and install it.

In most cases you can live without hot water for a day or two. Shop
around. Granted with a rental property the tennants may not be so
patient.

Allan


Dan Penoff via Mercedes  writes:

> Lowe’s will be just as much, I’m sure.
>
> -D
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I 
>> guess I’m going to do it myself. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub 
>>> it to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a 
>>> quote on my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
>>> 
>>> No thanks.
>>> 
>>> -D
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at 
 Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install 
 it?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
> exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
> 
> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the 
> time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then 
> go ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for 
> working on cars!)
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is 
>> I just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the 
>> systems are all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the 
>> near future. I normally don’t do these but know several people with 
>> rentals and they say the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t 
>> kick in until next month though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
>>> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
>>> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
>>> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
>>> else's.
>>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
>>> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
>>> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
>>> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
>>> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
>>> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
>>> to the floor drain.
>>> Allan
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
 It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is 
 but it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with 
> same
> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
> price but in theory it's more efficient.
> It took me a good 

Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They’re betting against you. They lost.

-D

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> I can't complain.  I filed at least 10 claims in 4 years so they lost money 
> every year.  They ended up not renewing me.
> 
> On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> That’s a major ream. A high pressure relief valve is under $20.
> 
> https://www.lowes.com/pl/Pressure-relief-valve--Water-heater-parts-Water-heaters-Plumbing/4294400567?refinement=4294400532
>  
> 
> 
> -D
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

I can't complain.  I filed at least 10 claims in 4 years so they lost money
every year.  They ended up not renewing me.

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:31 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> That’s a major ream. A high pressure relief valve is under $20.
>
>
> https://www.lowes.com/pl/Pressure-relief-valve--Water-heater-parts-Water-heaters-Plumbing/4294400567?refinement=4294400532
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I
> guess I’m going to do it myself.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They
> sub it to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a
> quote on my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
> >>
> >> No thanks.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking
> at Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to
> install it?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are
> the exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
> 
>  Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the
> time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go
> ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working
> on cars!)
> 
>  --FT
> 
> > On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part
> is I just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the
> systems are all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the
> near future. I normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals
> and they say the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in
> until next month though.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>  On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber
> and
> >> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it.
> Also
> >> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation
> being
> >> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
> >> else's.
> >> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would
> add
> >> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually
> starts
> >> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor
> drain
> >> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
> >> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the
> water
> >> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running
> directly
> >> to the floor drain.
> >> Allan
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> >>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it
> is but it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>  Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>  Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the
> fittings?
>  Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater
> with same
>  capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank,
> the
>  locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have
> used
>  flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to
> the
>  existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have
> CPVC
>  plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the
> heater.
>  Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>  threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>  connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>  easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>  My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I
> had to
>  buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount
> to the
>  price but in theory it's more efficient.
>  It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately.
> A pro
>  would probably have had it 

Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That’s a major ream. A high pressure relief valve is under $20.

https://www.lowes.com/pl/Pressure-relief-valve--Water-heater-parts-Water-heaters-Plumbing/4294400567?refinement=4294400532

-D

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I guess 
> I’m going to do it myself. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub 
>> it to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a 
>> quote on my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
>> 
>> No thanks.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at 
>>> Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install 
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
 YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
 exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
 
 Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the time 
 chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go 
 ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working 
 on cars!)
 
 --FT
 
> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems 
> are all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near 
> future. I normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals 
> and they say the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in 
> until next month though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
>> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
>> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
>> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
>> else's.
>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
>> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
>> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
>> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
>> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
>> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
>> to the floor drain.
>> Allan
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
>>> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
 Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
 Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
 Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with 
 same
 capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
 locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
 flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
 existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
 plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
 Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
 threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
 connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
 easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
 My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
 buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
 price but in theory it's more efficient.
 It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
 would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
 Allan
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Mine was covered by the HOW but I had to pay for the safety valve ($300).

On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 5:19 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Lowe’s will be just as much, I’m sure.
>
> -D
>
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I
> guess I’m going to do it myself.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They
> sub it to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a
> quote on my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
> >>
> >> No thanks.
> >>
> >> -D
> >>
> >>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking
> at Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to
> install it?
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are
> the exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
> 
>  Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the
> time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go
> ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working
> on cars!)
> 
>  --FT
> 
> > On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> > I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part
> is I just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the
> systems are all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the
> near future. I normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals
> and they say the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in
> until next month though.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
>  On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber
> and
> >> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it.
> Also
> >> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation
> being
> >> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
> >> else's.
> >> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would
> add
> >> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually
> starts
> >> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor
> drain
> >> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
> >> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the
> water
> >> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running
> directly
> >> to the floor drain.
> >> Allan
> >> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> >>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it
> is but it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> > On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>  Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>  Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>  Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the
> fittings?
>  Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater
> with same
>  capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank,
> the
>  locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have
> used
>  flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to
> the
>  existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have
> CPVC
>  plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the
> heater.
>  Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>  threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>  connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>  easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>  My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I
> had to
>  buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount
> to the
>  price but in theory it's more efficient.
>  It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately.
> A pro
>  would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>  Allan
>  Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> > Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> 

Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Lowe’s will be just as much, I’m sure.

-D

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I guess 
> I’m going to do it myself. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub 
>> it to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a 
>> quote on my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
>> 
>> No thanks.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at 
>>> Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install 
>>> it?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
 YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
 exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
 
 Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the time 
 chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go 
 ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working 
 on cars!)
 
 --FT
 
> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems 
> are all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near 
> future. I normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals 
> and they say the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in 
> until next month though.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
>> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
>> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
>> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
>> else's.
>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
>> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
>> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
>> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
>> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
>> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
>> to the floor drain.
>> Allan
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
>>> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
>>> Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
 Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
 Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
 Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
 Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with 
 same
 capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
 locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
 flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
 existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
 plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
 Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
 threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
 connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
 easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
 My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
 buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
 price but in theory it's more efficient.
 It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
 would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
 Allan
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

No that was calling local plumbing places. Seems like a ripoff to me. I guess 
I’m going to do it myself. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:16 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub it 
> to a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a quote on 
> my last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.
> 
> No thanks.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at 
>> Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install it?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>>> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
>>> exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
>>> 
>>> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the time 
>>> chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go ahead 
>>> and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working on 
>>> cars!)
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> 
 On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
 I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
 just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems 
 are all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near 
 future. I normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals and 
 they say the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until 
 next month though.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
> else's.
> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
> to the floor drain.
> Allan
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
>> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
>> Sent from my iPhone
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>>> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>>> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>>> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
>>> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
>>> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
>>> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
>>> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
>>> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
>>> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>>> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>>> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>>> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>>> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
>>> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
>>> price but in theory it's more efficient.
>>> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
>>> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>>> Allan
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
 Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
 Sent from my iPhone
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>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

If it’s Lowe’s, yes. They gouge the piss out of you on installs. They sub it to 
a local plumber and then add profit on top of that. I asked for a quote on my 
last one and it was nearly as much as the water heater itself.

No thanks.

-D

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 5:12 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at 
> Lowe’s at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install it?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
>> exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
>> 
>> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the time 
>> chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go ahead 
>> and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working on 
>> cars!)
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
>>> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are 
>>> all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I 
>>> normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say 
>>> the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next 
>>> month though.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
 You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
 expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
 if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
 done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
 else's.
 One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
 that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
 leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
 in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
 sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
 ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
 to the floor drain.
 Allan
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
> Sent from my iPhone
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
>> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
>> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
>> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
>> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
>> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
>> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
>> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
>> price but in theory it's more efficient.
>> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
>> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>> Allan
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

The wife called around and cheapest quote she got was $1200. Looking at Lowe’s 
at HD can get one for about $400. They really want $600 to install it?

Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
> exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
> 
> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the time 
> chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then go ahead 
> and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for working on cars!)
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
>> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are 
>> all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I 
>> normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say 
>> the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next month 
>> though.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
>>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
>>> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
>>> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
>>> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
>>> else's.
>>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
>>> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
>>> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
>>> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
>>> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
>>> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
>>> to the floor drain.
>>> Allan
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
 It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
 it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
 Sent from my iPhone
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
> price but in theory it's more efficient.
> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
> Allan
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

Yes.  Tanks are glass lined, which is great until glass begins to crack from 
thermo-cycling and handling.  If the actual tank leaks it must be replaced.  
Leaks in hoses and fittings (as well as heating elements and thermostats) are 
economical to replace as parts.  In addition to replacing the anode, periodic 
draining is a good idea to remove sediment.  Power MUST be turned off before 
draining or elements will fry.  If tank won't drain (common with sediment) 
backflush just enough to clear the drain.  Sometimes just stomping on the drain 
hose helps too. My 15-year-old WH is still OK although I did have to replace a 
corrugated copper flex hose (hot side) after it corroded through.

-Original Message-
From: Mercedes On Behalf Of Allan Streib via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 4:47 PM
To: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
Cc: Allan Streib 
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

In my experience, the tanks always leak eventually. This has been the only 
reason I've ever needed to replace a water heater. But they last far longer 
than 5 years unless maybe you have some really corrosive water.

Also the tank will likely have a replaceable sacrificial anode, which most 
people are not aware of but if you replace that as needed, in theory the tank 
should not corrode.

The heater I replaced last week was original to the house, over 20 years old.

Allan


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are 
> the exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
>
> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the 
> time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental 
> then go ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like 
> for working on cars!)
>
> --FT
>
> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
>> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are 
>> all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I 
>> normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say 
>> the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next month 
>> though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber 
>>> and expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with 
>>> it. Also if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the 
>>> installation being done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own 
>>> cars, not anyone else's.
>>>
>>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would 
>>> add that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually 
>>> starts leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a 
>>> floor drain in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the 
>>> floor was not sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang 
>>> a leak, the water ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain 
>>> pipe running directly to the floor drain.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>>
>>>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
>>>> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>>>>>
>>>>> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>>>>>
>>>>> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater 
>>>>> with same capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same 
>>>>> size tank, the locations of the fittings were a little different. 
>>>>> I could have used flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") 
>>>>> fittings to connect to the existing plumbing but I don't trust 
>>>>> Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new 
>>>>> pipe to connect the heater.
>>>>>
>>>>> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's 
>>>>> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to 
>>>>> connect.

Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

In my experience, the tanks always leak eventually. This has been the
only reason I've ever needed to replace a water heater. But they last
far longer than 5 years unless maybe you have some really corrosive
water.

Also the tank will likely have a replaceable sacrificial anode, which
most people are not aware of but if you replace that as needed, in
theory the tank should not corrode.

The heater I replaced last week was original to the house, over 20 years
old.

Allan


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  writes:

> YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
> exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.
>
> Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the 
> time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then 
> go ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for 
> working on cars!)
>
> --FT
>
> On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:
>> I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I 
>> just bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are 
>> all 15 years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I 
>> normally don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say 
>> the warranties have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next month 
>> though.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
>>> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
>>> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
>>> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
>>> else's.
>>>
>>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
>>> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
>>> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
>>> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
>>> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
>>> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
>>> to the floor drain.
>>>
>>> Allan
>>>
>>>
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>>
 It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
 it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.

 Sent from my iPhone

>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>
> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>
> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>
> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
>
> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>
> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
> price but in theory it's more efficient.
>
> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>
> Allan
>
>
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>
>> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>

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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

YOu know too there is like a 3yr and a 5yr warranty tank.  They are the 
exact some unit, you're just paying for the additional warranty time.


Replacing one is not hard if you have the tools and want to waste the 
time chasing after it and dealing with it, but if this is a rental then 
go ahead and pay the man, your time is likely more valuable (like for 
working on cars!)


--FT

On 6/10/20 4:28 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote:

I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I just 
bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are all 15 
years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I normally 
don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say the warranties 
have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next month though.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
else's.

One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
to the floor drain.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s in 
the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas.

Sent from my iPhone


On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes  
wrote:

Just did this a couple of weeks ago.

Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?

Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?

Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.

Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.

My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
price but in theory it's more efficient.

It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
would probably have had it done in a hour or two.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:


Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?

Sent from my iPhone


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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:26 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Not only this, but it’s an expense against the operating costs of the 
> rental. Because you are doing cost accounting for tax purposes, aren’t you?
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
>> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
>> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
>> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
>> else's.
>> 
>> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
>> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
>> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
>> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
>> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
>> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
>> to the floor drain.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but 
>>> it’s in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas. 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
 
 Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
 
 Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
 
 Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
 capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
 locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
 flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
 existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
 plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
 
 Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
 threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
 connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
 easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
 
 My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
 buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
 price but in theory it's more efficient.
 
 It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
 would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
 
 Allan
 
 
 Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
 
> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

I’m getting quotes for the cheapest tank they can find. The sad part is I just 
bought a home warranty the other day because I figured the systems are all 15 
years old and will start requiring replacement in the near future. I normally 
don’t do these but know several people with rentals and they say the warranties 
have paid for themselves. It doesn’t kick in until next month though. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 3:13 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
> else's.
> 
> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
> to the floor drain.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s 
>> in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
 On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>>> 
>>> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>>> 
>>> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>>> 
>>> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
>>> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
>>> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
>>> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
>>> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
>>> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
>>> 
>>> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>>> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>>> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>>> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>>> 
>>> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
>>> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
>>> price but in theory it's more efficient.
>>> 
>>> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
>>> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Not only this, but it’s an expense against the operating costs of the rental. 
Because you are doing cost accounting for tax purposes, aren’t you?

-D

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 4:12 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
> expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
> if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
> done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
> else's.
> 
> One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
> that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
> leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
> in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
> sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
> ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
> to the floor drain.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s 
>> in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>>> 
>>> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>>> 
>>> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>>> 
>>> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
>>> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
>>> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
>>> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
>>> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
>>> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
>>> 
>>> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>>> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>>> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>>> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>>> 
>>> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
>>> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
>>> price but in theory it's more efficient.
>>> 
>>> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
>>> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>>> 
>>> Allan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>>> 
 Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

You know, for a rental I might be more inclined to call a plumber and
expense the cost. Depends how much time you have to fool with it. Also
if you hire a plumber then they are liable for the installation being
done correctly. Same reason I only work on my own cars, not anyone
else's.

One more thing, if you don't have a pan under the heater, I would add
that, to prevent water damage when (not if) the tank eventually starts
leaking. Mine didn't have that originally, but it was near a floor drain
in the basement so I wasn't too worried. However the floor was not
sloped toward the drain enough so when the tank sprang a leak, the water
ran all over the place. I added a pan with a drain pipe running directly
to the floor drain.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s 
> in the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
>> 
>> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
>> 
>> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
>> 
>> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
>> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
>> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
>> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
>> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
>> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
>> 
>> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
>> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
>> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
>> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
>> 
>> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
>> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
>> price but in theory it's more efficient.
>> 
>> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
>> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
>> 
>> Allan
>> 
>> 
>> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
>> 
>>> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 

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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

It’s at the rental house and can’t remember what kind of pipe it is but it’s in 
the garage closet and easy to get to. It’s natural gas. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:57 PM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just did this a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?
> 
> Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?
> 
> Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
> capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
> locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
> flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
> existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
> plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.
> 
> Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
> threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
> connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
> easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.
> 
> My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
> buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
> price but in theory it's more efficient.
> 
> It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
> would probably have had it done in a hour or two.
> 
> Allan
> 
> 
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:
> 
>> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Water heater replacement

[Allan Streib via Mercedes]

Just did this a couple of weeks ago.

Is your plumbing CPVC, copper, or something else?

Gas or electric heater? Do you have good access to all the fittings?

Mine was pretty straightforward. Replaced a natural gas heater with same
capacity natural gas. Though it was basically the same size tank, the
locations of the fittings were a little different. I could have used
flex connectors with push-on ("Sharkbite") fittings to connect to the
existing plumbing but I don't trust Sharkbite fittings. I have CPVC
plumbing so I cut, fit, and cemented new pipe to connect the heater.

Gas supply connection was also not exactly in the same place. It's
threaded black iron pipe. Had to buy a few new pieces to get it to
connect. Here again you can use a flexible connector to make that
easier, I opted not to since the prior heater did not have that.

My water heater is a power vent (the exhaust pipe is PVC) so I had to
buy the same in the replacement. That adds a substantial amount to the
price but in theory it's more efficient.

It took me a good half a day but I work slowly and deliberately. A pro
would probably have had it done in a hour or two.

Allan


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes  writes:

> Is this a simple diy or a big pain and requires a plumber?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>

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