Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
I know my limitations and try to live within them, at least most of the time. Remember this was in reference to owning a large oil company with all the production facilities. Not even close to what I own or am worth. By a long shot! :-D Which probably explains my naive proclamation as to what I would do if I did. Manfred From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their own money? Gotta stand with your had out and wait for government to award you license and funds ? COME ON !! GROW A SET YOU LITTLE GIRLS, If it's a good idea, jump on it.. make a profit, employ people. Get rich on your own production. Compete.. winner take all. Get off my lawn! Grant AZ On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: If I owned a company that could do that I would. If for no other reason then to make the others lower their prices and get the economy going a bit better. Maybe I feel that nationalism should come into the business equation somewhere. But that ain't likely to happen. So don't worry too much about it. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Nothing personal intended in my comment below, it was meant as an expression of the cumulative lack of balls now shown by American business and Americans in general. Are there no real men left who are not enslaved by PC , womens lip and government by regulation rather than legislation? Remember when leaders actually did things? Offending someone or some special class be damned? Remember when America out produced every country in the history of the world? Remember when America went to war to WIN... not to Police for the UN ? When Made in America meant Made by Americans who paid taxes, raised families, went to church, supported their communities and ran their schools so their children were actually educated, not warehoused while mom found herself in the business world but engaged in the honorable profession of motherhood? Look around you now and find ANY of that... tell me where it is, or why it's gone. My read on it all is an attitude of waiting for government to fix it first while I set on my uneducated ass and draw from the public coffers. Damn, Ferdand Porsche said it best Leaders make decisions, committees only discuss problems Grant AZ... On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: I know my limitations and try to live within them, at least most of the time. Remember this was in reference to owning a large oil company with all the production facilities. Not even close to what I own or am worth. By a long shot! :-D Which probably explains my naive proclamation as to what I would do if I did. Manfred From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their own money? Gotta stand with your had out and wait for government to award you license and funds ? COME ON !! GROW A SET YOU LITTLE GIRLS, If it's a good idea, jump on it.. make a profit, employ people. Get rich on your own production. Compete.. winner take all. Get off my lawn! Grant AZ On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: If I owned a company that could do that I would. If for no other reason then to make the others lower their prices and get the economy going a bit better. Maybe I feel that nationalism should come into the business equation somewhere. But that ain't likely to happen. So don't worry too much about it. Manfred __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone. Very much like reading Revelations during the apocalypse. clay On Apr 20, 2012, at 8:51 AM, G Mann wrote: Nothing personal intended in my comment below, it was meant as an expression of the cumulative lack of balls now shown by American business and Americans in general. Are there no real men left who are not enslaved by PC , womens lip and government by regulation rather than legislation? Remember when leaders actually did things? Offending someone or some special class be damned? Remember when America out produced every country in the history of the world? Remember when America went to war to WIN... not to Police for the UN ? When Made in America meant Made by Americans who paid taxes, raised families, went to church, supported their communities and ran their schools so their children were actually educated, not warehoused while mom found herself in the business world but engaged in the honorable profession of motherhood? Look around you now and find ANY of that... tell me where it is, or why it's gone. My read on it all is an attitude of waiting for government to fix it first while I set on my uneducated ass and draw from the public coffers. Damn, Ferdand Porsche said it best Leaders make decisions, committees only discuss problems Grant AZ... On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 7:47 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: I know my limitations and try to live within them, at least most of the time. Remember this was in reference to owning a large oil company with all the production facilities. Not even close to what I own or am worth. By a long shot! :-D Which probably explains my naive proclamation as to what I would do if I did. Manfred From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their own money? Gotta stand with your had out and wait for government to award you license and funds ? COME ON !! GROW A SET YOU LITTLE GIRLS, If it's a good idea, jump on it.. make a profit, employ people. Get rich on your own production. Compete.. winner take all. Get off my lawn! Grant AZ On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: If I owned a company that could do that I would. If for no other reason then to make the others lower their prices and get the economy going a bit better. Maybe I feel that nationalism should come into the business equation somewhere. But that ain't likely to happen. So don't worry too much about it. Manfred __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Fri, Apr 20, 2012, at 08:51 AM, G Mann wrote: Damn, Ferdand Porsche said it best Leaders make decisions, committees only discuss problems I like that quote! Allan -- 1983 300D 1979 300SD ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone. Very much like reading Revelations during the apocalypse. Next read The Law by Frederick Bastiat, followed by How to take back your government by Robert Heinlein, and you'll know exactly what to do. Solution for all of this was provided for by the founding fathers: Vote! Educate your family, friends and neighbors. We must defeat the political lobbyist industrial complex, roll back the socialism, and restore liberty. -Max -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Heinlein is superb. clay On Apr 20, 2012, at 10:30 AM, Max wrote: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone. Very much like reading Revelations during the apocalypse. Next read The Law by Frederick Bastiat, followed by How to take back your government by Robert Heinlein, and you'll know exactly what to do. Solution for all of this was provided for by the founding fathers: Vote! Educate your family, friends and neighbors. We must defeat the political lobbyist industrial complex, roll back the socialism, and restore liberty. -Max -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD ___ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy
Max wrote: clay monroe redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I am re-reading Atlas Shrugged. Just makes the skin crawl how far down the road of complete incompetence the nation and world have gone. Very much like reading Revelations during the apocalypse. Next read The Law by Frederick Bastiat, followed by How to take back your government by Robert Heinlein, and you'll know exactly what to do. That Heinlein book, Take Back Your Government, has some interesting prices: 5 new from $142.00 19 used from $28.00 2 collectible from $40.00 Sell Back Your Copy For a $0.30 Gift Card ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I know that Grant. I was just say it to point out that for what I wanted to do it would be more or less impossible given the scale of my dream. :-) Manfred Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:51:20 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Nothing personal intended in my comment below, it was meant as an expression of the cumulative lack of balls now shown by American business and Americans in general. Are there no real men left who are not enslaved by PC , womens lip and government by regulation rather than legislation? Remember when leaders actually did things? Offending someone or some special class be damned? Remember when America out produced every country in the history of the world? Remember when America went to war to WIN... not to Police for the UN ? When Made in America meant Made by Americans who paid taxes, raised families, went to church, supported their communities and ran their schools so their children were actually educated, not warehoused while mom found herself in the business world but engaged in the honorable profession of motherhood? Look around you now and find ANY of that... tell me where it is, or why it's gone. My read on it all is an attitude of waiting for government to fix it first while I set on my uneducated ass and draw from the public coffers. Damn, Ferdand Porsche said it best Leaders make decisions, committees only discuss problems Grant AZ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: Are there no real men left who are not enslaved by PC , womens lip and government by regulation rather than legislation? Hey - take it to banned - womens er, umm... Nice, but only at banned, puleez. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Manfred,, I forgive you, since I went off on a rant of my own.. haha.. [please forgive me]. Of all things a man has, a dream is both the most possible and the most impossible at the same time I have the greatest admiration for someone who has the dream and overcomes all obstacles to accomplish that dream, especially when it is a worthy cause. I lament the seeming loss of our society, as a whole, to dream and then take the action necessary to produce and accomplish that dream. So all that said, Go for it ! Anything ever done first started with a thought. Grant... AZ On Fri, Apr 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, M G trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: I know that Grant. I was just say it to point out that for what I wanted to do it would be more or less impossible given the scale of my dream. :-) Manfred Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2012 08:51:20 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Nothing personal intended in my comment below, it was meant as an expression of the cumulative lack of balls now shown by American business and Americans in general. Are there no real men left who are not enslaved by PC , womens lip and government by regulation rather than legislation? Remember when leaders actually did things? Offending someone or some special class be damned? Remember when America out produced every country in the history of the world? Remember when America went to war to WIN... not to Police for the UN ? When Made in America meant Made by Americans who paid taxes, raised families, went to church, supported their communities and ran their schools so their children were actually educated, not warehoused while mom found herself in the business world but engaged in the honorable profession of motherhood? Look around you now and find ANY of that... tell me where it is, or why it's gone. My read on it all is an attitude of waiting for government to fix it first while I set on my uneducated ass and draw from the public coffers. Damn, Ferdand Porsche said it best Leaders make decisions, committees only discuss problems Grant AZ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can only sell it here at a lower price rather than outside the US where you can get a higher price? Wouldn't you be angry if somebody told YOU that? -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:41:14 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: a06240867cbb51d23819a@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That helps to make sense of our fuel prices and why people are all so fired up about Keystone... So what we need then is not MORE legislation, we need the stupid legislation removed. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:58:52 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: dub0-p1-eas5379cc74fb07347317ffa2dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Loren is right. By law a refiner cannot ship fuel or (anything else) by tanker ship from one US port to another US port (IE from Gulf Coast refiners to East Coast distribution points) unless it is carried by a domestically owned, domestically built, and domestically crewed. There are a few. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE82B10020120312?irpc=932 http://www.marad.dot.gov/documents/us-flag_fleet_1_dwt_and_above.xls http://www.trans-inst.org/jones-act.html http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920 So gasoline and diesel fuel refined here in the USA gets sold overseas. It's the law. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Congress and Diapers should both be changed frequently... Both for the same reason. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: That helps to make sense of our fuel prices and why people are all so fired up about Keystone... So what we need then is not MORE legislation, we need the stupid legislation removed. -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 21:58:52 -0500 From: Rick Knoble rickkno...@hotmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: dub0-p1-eas5379cc74fb07347317ffa2dd...@phx.gbl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Loren is right. By law a refiner cannot ship fuel or (anything else) by tanker ship from one US port to another US port (IE from Gulf Coast refiners to East Coast distribution points) unless it is carried by a domestically owned, domestically built, and domestically crewed. There are a few. http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE82B10020120312?irpc=932 http://www.marad.dot.gov/documents/us-flag_fleet_1_dwt_and_above.xls http://www.trans-inst.org/jones-act.html http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920 So gasoline and diesel fuel refined here in the USA gets sold overseas. It's the law. Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Apr 19, 2012, at 8:33 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: That helps to make sense of our fuel prices and why people are all so fired up about Keystone... Most of that oil would be refined and the petrol products sold overseas, with current legislation in place. So what we need then is not MORE legislation, we need the stupid legislation removed. Not going to happen with union influenced politicians in power. Rick Sent from my iPhone ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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The companies doing the drilling are multinational. The last guy that tried telling them he wanted to keep resources within his country's borders was some dude named Fidel Castro. The country was Cuba. Some might say things did not work out so well there since he did that. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am not advocating. I am just stating how it has worked. However the congress DOES have the power to regulate commerce. It is one of the enumerated powers. In particular congress has the power to control imports or exports. Before the (possibly illegal) adoption of the 16th amendment, the only income the federal gummit had was through tarrifs and fees. Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can only sell it here at a lower price rather than outside the US where you can get a higher price? Wouldn't you be angry if somebody told YOU that? -Curt Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 20:41:14 -0500 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Message-ID: a06240867cbb51d23819a@[192.168.1.51] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I believe it was world wide. Never really got much play on the news. I mean who cares if all the wood gas in the world is used up. Remember trees can't fart enough to supply all we will ever need. If I recall correctly it was also rather hard to capture. And don't even get me started on the difficulties of distribution and sales. Would have been better written as; My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton truck on wood gas during war. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 22:05:54 -0400 From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy There was a war on wood gas? Was this just a California thing, or was it nationwide or worldwide? --R On 4/18/12 7:19 PM, MG wrote: My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton truck during the war on wood gas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If I owned a company that could do that I would. If for no other reason then to make the others lower their prices and get the economy going a bit better. Maybe I feel that nationalism should come into the business equation somewhere. But that ain't likely to happen. So don't worry too much about it. Manfred Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can only sell it here at a lower price rather than outside the US where you can get a higher price? Wouldn't you be angry if somebody told YOU that? -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Nope, not the last guy - Chavez did it recently, and now Argentina is about to do the same thing. Last I knew, we don't like countries that do that. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 9:01 AM, Dave Walton walton.d...@gmail.com wrote: The companies doing the drilling are multinational. The last guy that tried telling them he wanted to keep resources within his country's borders was some dude named Fidel Castro. The country was Cuba. Some might say things did not work out so well there since he did that. -Dave Walton On Apr 18, 2012, at 9:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their own money? Gotta stand with your had out and wait for government to award you license and funds ? COME ON !! GROW A SET YOU LITTLE GIRLS, If it's a good idea, jump on it.. make a profit, employ people. Get rich on your own production. Compete.. winner take all. Get off my lawn! Grant AZ On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: If I owned a company that could do that I would. If for no other reason then to make the others lower their prices and get the economy going a bit better. Maybe I feel that nationalism should come into the business equation somewhere. But that ain't likely to happen. So don't worry too much about it. Manfred Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can only sell it here at a lower price rather than outside the US where you can get a higher price? Wouldn't you be angry if somebody told YOU that? -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That wouldn't be fair. --R On 4/19/12 2:40 PM, G Mann wrote: What happened to the American free market mentality? Nobody got a set anymore to grab hold of an idea and run it to market with their own money? Gotta stand with your had out and wait for government to award you license and funds ? COME ON !! GROW A SET YOU LITTLE GIRLS, If it's a good idea, jump on it.. make a profit, employ people. Get rich on your own production. Compete.. winner take all. Get off my lawn! Grant AZ On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 8:11 AM, MGtrainpain2...@yahoo.com wrote: If I owned a company that could do that I would. If for no other reason then to make the others lower their prices and get the economy going a bit better. Maybe I feel that nationalism should come into the business equation somewhere. But that ain't likely to happen. So don't worry too much about it. Manfred Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 05:28:33 -0700 (PDT) From: Curt Raymondcurtlud...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy Isn't that technically socialism or something? Doesn't that violate the conservative ethic to tell somebody You've got this product but you can only sell it here at a lower price rather than outside the US where you can get a higher price? Wouldn't you be angry if somebody told YOU that? -Curt __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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A wood gas rig might work better as a trailer since you need the whole bed of the truck to fit all the bits. I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away, hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... talking on the cell, sipping your latte`, checking your text msgs, and running the wood gas boiler,, all at the same time getting to work on time... Road Rage anyone??? :))) let's just drill and pump,,, shall we? Vote early,,, vote often... On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 6:23 AM, Gerry Archer arche...@embarqmail.comwrote: Speaking of heart pine, this months issue of Mother Earth has an article about a farmer in Alabama who is running 3 pickup trucks on wood gas. Mother Earth News April/May 2012 pp.56 He seems to have put together the simplest wood gas system I've read about so far. Unfortunately he doesn't reveal details of his designs; although they might come out in later editions of Mother Earth or be for sale. He estimates that if he had to buy wood by the cord, it would cost him ten cents per mile to run his pickups. At 20 mpg that would be the equivalent of $2.00 per gallon of gas. In areas with lots of trees, such as where we live in North Florida, it seems like this could be a viable option for DIYers. Gerry - Original Message - From: MG trainpain2...@yahoo.com Not really. Nice old dry heart pine with the pitch that it has is a lot more flammable. Manfred Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 20:40:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Dimitri Seretakis dsereta...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Re: abuse of cars 2ejuremy And incredibly flammable. __**_ __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I saw that in Terminator --R On 4/18/12 10:59 AM, G Mann wrote: I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away, hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton truck during the war on wood gas. The rig and wood was on the truck bed and the truck pulled a trailer to carry the cargo. The helper rode in the bed and put wood in the burner when it was needed. Putting the gas generator on a trailer wouldn't work very well as a pretty large hose is needed to connect to the intake on the engine. There also wouldn't be very much smoke from the generator in use as that is what is ingested by the engine at least while it is running. There may however be a bit more smoke from the tailpipe. I haven't had one running but I have done some looking into what it would take, even have some plans somewhere. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 07:59:54 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Wood gas. was: abuse of cars 2ejuremy A wood gas rig might work better as a trailer since you need the whole bed of the truck to fit all the bits. I can see it now, 100,000 cars at rush hour on the freeways of California with wood gas rigs steaming away, hahahhaha... a the wave of the future... talking on the cell, sipping your latte`, checking your text msgs, and running the wood gas boiler,, all at the same time getting to work on time... Road Rage anyone??? :))) let's just drill and pump,,, shall we? Vote early,,, vote often... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. Manfred ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was a war on wood gas? Was this just a California thing, or was it nationwide or worldwide? --R On 4/18/12 7:19 PM, MG wrote: My Grandfather ran a 2 1/2 ton truck during the war on wood gas. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Doesn't sound much like a free market approach to me -- On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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nope! Congresscritters don't mix with free market. (or the constitution for that matter) Doesn't sound much like a free market approach to me -- On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 8:41 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy. -- OK Don 2001 ML320 1992 300D 2.5T 1990 300D 2.5T 1997 Plymouth Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Loren is right. By law a refiner cannot ship fuel or (anything else) by tanker ship from one US port to another US port (IE from Gulf Coast refiners to East Coast distribution points) unless it is carried by a domestically owned, domestically built, and domestically crewed. There are a few. http://www.marad.dot.gov/documents/us-flag_fleet_1_dwt_and_above.xls http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSBRE82B10020120312?irpc=932 http://www.trans-inst.org/jones-act.html http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchant_Marine_Act_of_1920 So gasoline and diesel fuel refined in the USA has to be sold overseas. It's the law. Isn't politics great? Rick Sent from my iPhone. On Apr 18, 2012, at 8:48 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: There IS a way. It is called legislation. It is supposed to be done by congresscritters. Congresscritters need to be changed as often as transmission filters. I'll vote for the drilling. If there were only some way to keep the companies from shipping the product out of the country I'd be real happy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
