Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
You talking about Rudolf or Marshall? They are both Dr. Diesel. On 9/7/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading a second bio of Dr. Diesel right now (fascinating). His plan for the get go was to create an engine that would burn locally available fuels. To accomplish this, he would redesign the IP's and injectors to handle different fuels. So it is true that he ran engines on lard, animal fats, crude oil, etc, but the injection systems were always modified. SO, although it is true that a DIESEL ENGINE will burn about anything, the rub is getting the fuel IN the engine successfully over long periods of time. This may be why Elsbett (www.elsbett.de http://www.elsbett.de) makes a diesel engine SPECIFICALLY for veg oil. I have definitely been rethinking some of MY test fuel ideas in light of Doktor Diesel's (Rudolf, not Marshall - well, hell, Marshall too) original intent and method. My 2 cents. --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel S. wrote: Can I run my old M1 15w 50 staight from crankcase to fuel tank of im doing a 50/50 mix? A continuous diet of #2 diesel and engine oil mix (even at 1 or 2%) WILL cause injector coking and injector maintenance requirements will substantially increase. The engine is NOT optimized for that mix. Mobil 1 does NOT burn well in Mercedes diesels (conventional oil burns better) but I'm NOT sure why. It MAY be that it burns slower so isn't completely burned without modifying the engine. An occasional shot of dino engine oil in a 1-2% mix CAN act as a tonic (although it will cause mild coking but that will be quickly dispelled once the oil is gone and the engine is driven at highway speeds), but the oil fuel mix should NOT be repeated more than every 10-20 tankfuls. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Mobil 1 contains considerable long chain polyether olefins, if I remember correctly, and they are very resistant to oxidation (hence the much better performance as a lubricant). They burn poorly. Peter
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Marshall is OUR Doktor Diesel. CM --- LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You talking about Rudolf or Marshall? They are both Dr. Diesel. On 9/7/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reading a second bio of Dr. Diesel right now (fascinating). His plan for the get go was to create an engine that would burn locally available fuels. To accomplish this, he would redesign the IP's and injectors to handle different fuels. So it is true that he ran engines on lard, animal fats, crude oil, etc, but the injection systems were always modified. SO, although it is true that a DIESEL ENGINE will burn about anything, the rub is getting the fuel IN the engine successfully over long periods of time. This may be why Elsbett (www.elsbett.de http://www.elsbett.de) makes a diesel engine SPECIFICALLY for veg oil. I have definitely been rethinking some of MY test fuel ideas in light of Doktor Diesel's (Rudolf, not Marshall - well, hell, Marshall too) original intent and method. My 2 cents. --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel S. wrote: Can I run my old M1 15w 50 staight from crankcase to fuel tank of im doing a 50/50 mix? A continuous diet of #2 diesel and engine oil mix (even at 1 or 2%) WILL cause injector coking and injector maintenance requirements will substantially increase. The engine is NOT optimized for that mix. Mobil 1 does NOT burn well in Mercedes diesels (conventional oil burns better) but I'm NOT sure why. It MAY be that it burns slower so isn't completely burned without modifying the engine. An occasional shot of dino engine oil in a 1-2% mix CAN act as a tonic (although it will cause mild coking but that will be quickly dispelled once the oil is gone and the engine is driven at highway speeds), but the oil fuel mix should NOT be repeated more than every 10-20 tankfuls. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf ( http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- 1977 240D 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Christopher McCann wrote: Don't have the link for the new list http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/biodiesel_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
click the unsubscribe link at the bottom, then scroll down to the link that says overview of all lists. Will be listed there. Christopher McCann wrote: Gabriel, Don't have the link for the new list Don't know of ANYONE who has attempted a 50/50 diesel petro oil mix...uncharted waters I would NOT use crankcase oil that was not filtered down to 5 microns I would start out with far less than 50/50 Marshall mentioned that synthetics oils, when added to fuel in small quantities (quart to tank) do not have the same tonic effect that mineral oils have... Christopher --- Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first of all, what is the name of the to SVO list? Can I run my old M1 15w 50 staight from crankcase to fuel tank of im doing a 50/50 mix? -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/ ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
The main problems with burning engine oil have to do with excessive residue (oil ash) collecting on the pistons and particulate material damaging the injection pump. Recycle the oil, it can be re-refined into usable motor oil and burn diesel fuel. Peter
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Gabriel S. wrote: Can I run my old M1 15w 50 staight from crankcase to fuel tank of im doing a 50/50 mix? A continuous diet of #2 diesel and engine oil mix (even at 1 or 2%) WILL cause injector coking and injector maintenance requirements will substantially increase. The engine is NOT optimized for that mix. Mobil 1 does NOT burn well in Mercedes diesels (conventional oil burns better) but I'm NOT sure why. It MAY be that it burns slower so isn't completely burned without modifying the engine. An occasional shot of dino engine oil in a 1-2% mix CAN act as a tonic (although it will cause mild coking but that will be quickly dispelled once the oil is gone and the engine is driven at highway speeds), but the oil fuel mix should NOT be repeated more than every 10-20 tankfuls. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Reading a second bio of Dr. Diesel right now (fascinating). His plan for the get go was to create an engine that would burn locally available fuels. To accomplish this, he would redesign the IP's and injectors to handle different fuels. So it is true that he ran engines on lard, animal fats, crude oil, etc, but the injection systems were always modified. SO, although it is true that a DIESEL ENGINE will burn about anything, the rub is getting the fuel IN the engine successfully over long periods of time. This may be why Elsbett (www.elsbett.de) makes a diesel engine SPECIFICALLY for veg oil. I have definitely been rethinking some of MY test fuel ideas in light of Doktor Diesel's (Rudolf, not Marshall - well, hell, Marshall too) original intent and method. My 2 cents. --- Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gabriel S. wrote: Can I run my old M1 15w 50 staight from crankcase to fuel tank of im doing a 50/50 mix? A continuous diet of #2 diesel and engine oil mix (even at 1 or 2%) WILL cause injector coking and injector maintenance requirements will substantially increase. The engine is NOT optimized for that mix. Mobil 1 does NOT burn well in Mercedes diesels (conventional oil burns better) but I'm NOT sure why. It MAY be that it burns slower so isn't completely burned without modifying the engine. An occasional shot of dino engine oil in a 1-2% mix CAN act as a tonic (although it will cause mild coking but that will be quickly dispelled once the oil is gone and the engine is driven at highway speeds), but the oil fuel mix should NOT be repeated more than every 10-20 tankfuls. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 181Kmi,'87 190D 2.5 199Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 227Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 159Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 234kmi Diesel Technical Advisor MBCA, member GWSection http://www.dhc.net/~pmhack/mercedes/mbooth1.htm ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
particulate matter can be removed with a centrifugal pump. Ash is another matter. CM --- Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The main problems with burning engine oil have to do with excessive residue (oil ash) collecting on the pistons and particulate material damaging the injection pump. Recycle the oil, it can be re-refined into usable motor oil and burn diesel fuel. Peter ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
no coffee yet - centrifugal FILTER - EXTREMELY efective. CM --- Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: particulate matter can be removed with a centrifugal pump. Ash is another matter. CM Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Old Fiat and Renault engines (the little ones) had centrifugal oil filters mounted to the end of the crank. They always had a lot of compacted sludge collected! On 9/7/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no coffee yet - centrifugal FILTER - EXTREMELY efective. CM -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/
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exactly, you clean that out rather than change filters. Not an expert on it, but I bet they are better than conventional filters. CM --- OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Old Fiat and Renault engines (the little ones) had centrifugal oil filters mounted to the end of the crank. They always had a lot of compacted sludge collected! On 9/7/05, Christopher McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no coffee yet - centrifugal FILTER - EXTREMELY efective. CM -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '87 300SDL '81 240D '78 450SLC The FSM created the Diesel Benz http://www.venganza.org/ ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: [MBZ] crankcase oil
Gabriel, Don't have the link for the new list Don't know of ANYONE who has attempted a 50/50 diesel petro oil mix...uncharted waters I would NOT use crankcase oil that was not filtered down to 5 microns I would start out with far less than 50/50 Marshall mentioned that synthetics oils, when added to fuel in small quantities (quart to tank) do not have the same tonic effect that mineral oils have... Christopher --- Gabriel S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: first of all, what is the name of the to SVO list? Can I run my old M1 15w 50 staight from crankcase to fuel tank of im doing a 50/50 mix? -- Gabriel Soto Southern California 1987 300D 230K=- ___ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -1985 300SD, 209K miles, Wulf (http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD) -1976 240D, ManyK miles, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) -1998 Toyota Sienna CE, 99K miles, The Van __ Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. http://store.yahoo.com/redcross-donate3/
