Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Compression test ? You have spare 602 engines lying around? So what do you think is causing this chugga chugga? Im thinking just pulling the motor and dropping in the other motor/trans I have and be done with it. Just wanted to see what was up with this one first. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
hole in the piston burned valve badly scored cylinder/cracked rings/messed up piston Give ya $50 for the car At 06:54 PM 9/13/2006, you wrote: Compression test ? You have spare 602 engines lying around? So what do you think is causing this chugga chugga? Im thinking just pulling the motor and dropping in the other motor/trans I have and be done with it. Just wanted to see what was up with this one first. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've exhausted all the alternatives. Sir Winston Churchill '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
I have a whole damn spare 124 2.5 turbo laying around!! I cant find my damn compression tester, thinking I might have to buy the harbor freight kit. OK Don wrote: Compression test ? You have spare 602 engines lying around? So what do you think is causing this chugga chugga? Im thinking just pulling the motor and dropping in the other motor/trans I have and be done with it. Just wanted to see what was up with this one first. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Is it for sale? I have a whole damn spare 124 2.5 turbo laying around!! I cant find my damn compression tester, thinking I might have to buy the harbor freight kit. OK Don wrote: Compression test ? You have spare 602 engines lying around? So what do you think is causing this chugga chugga? Im thinking just pulling the motor and dropping in the other motor/trans I have and be done with it. Just wanted to see what was up with this one first. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
The big round lifters move up and down, cant really tell more than that. Doesnt really act like a blown head gasket. All the ones I have seen blow massive smoke and oil out the back, this one smokes, but its not an oil smoke, its like burning too much diesel smoke. Peter Frederick wrote: Pull the valve cover and watch for air blowing out the head/block junction at the front of the engine. This is a known head gasket failure on the -14- heads on 603s, and I would assume equally possible on a 602. Will cause lots of blue smoke from oil sucked into #1 on the intake stroke. I would also watch the intake valve on #1 -- it can indeed stick. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
uh, no. Michael Hall wrote: Is it for sale? I have a whole damn spare 124 2.5 turbo laying around!! I cant find my damn compression tester, thinking I might have to buy the harbor freight kit. OK Don wrote: Compression test ? You have spare 602 engines lying around? So what do you think is causing this chugga chugga? Im thinking just pulling the motor and dropping in the other motor/trans I have and be done with it. Just wanted to see what was up with this one first. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 87 300SDL #2, 86 300SDL, 84 380SE, 84 190D 2.2, 84 190D 2.2 #2, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Its possible the oil was just overfilled. Im sure the head will be coming off. Marshall Booth wrote: Peter Frederick wrote: If it doesn't turn black when the engine it hot, likely something with the injectors or a dead glow plug or two. If it does turn black, low compression. Copious blue smoke on acceleration is most likely a bad (leaking) turbo, but idle won't be affected. Bad head gasket/cracked head will result in coolant loss and/or high pressure cold in the cooling system. A head gasket blown between the #1 cylinder and the front oil supply passage (occurs in ALL OM60x engines, but a little less frequent in the '90s versions) will give all the symptoms Kaleb describes except maybe the high oil level. Marshall -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Hello Kaleb, Did you get the email I sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Gerry '83 300D and 240D
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Peter Frederick wrote: If it doesn't turn black when the engine it hot, likely something with the injectors or a dead glow plug or two. If it does turn black, low compression. Copious blue smoke on acceleration is most likely a bad (leaking) turbo, but idle won't be affected. Bad head gasket/cracked head will result in coolant loss and/or high pressure cold in the cooling system. A head gasket blown between the #1 cylinder and the front oil supply passage (occurs in ALL OM60x engines, but a little less frequent in the '90s versions) will give all the symptoms Kaleb describes except maybe the high oil level. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: hmmm, never heard of that one. Makes sense though. Anybody else heard this one? It's rare, but it CAN happen. Blown head gasket MUCH more common (I know of more than a dozen on OM60x engines). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
I suspect a blown gasket would also account for the fuel dilution, now that I think of it. Where else is it gonna go, since it won't burn very well! Peter
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
bluish grey, like maybe oil mixed with unburned diesel fuel. Peter Frederick wrote: White, blue, or black? Blue can be a bad turbo (leaking copious oil into the exhaust), cheap fix. Will run badly if it has leaked enough oil into the intake to roast the prechambers. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
If it doesn't turn black when the engine it hot, likely something with the injectors or a dead glow plug or two. If it does turn black, low compression. Copious blue smoke on acceleration is most likely a bad (leaking) turbo, but idle won't be affected. Bad head gasket/cracked head will result in coolant loss and/or high pressure cold in the cooling system. Peter
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
You're in over your head dude, I'll give you $475. Casey Olympia, WA Biodiesel: I drive in a persistent vegetative state '87 300TD intercooler #22 (214k) '84 300D (212k) Gashuffer: '89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Kaleb: Check the oil for diesel fuel odor -- if so, it's pump time, the plunger set(s) are leaking into the cam chamber. This will shortly ruin the engine from lack of lubrication, and it ain't much good for the IP, either. It won't be delivery valves, alas. Peter
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
hmmm, never heard of that one. Makes sense though. Anybody else heard this one? Peter Frederick wrote: Kaleb: Check the oil for diesel fuel odor -- if so, it's pump time, the plunger set(s) are leaking into the cam chamber. This will shortly ruin the engine from lack of lubrication, and it ain't much good for the IP, either. It won't be delivery valves, alas. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Will it be missing on just one cylinder though? Peter Frederick wrote: Oh, and the lift pump can do the same thing, I think. Much cheaper and worth a try if there is serious fuel contamination. A bad pump will give you the running problems you have. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
If that plunger set it toast, yes. There is no other way I know of that fuel can get into the oil other than through the bottom side of the IP. It's possible (although unlikely in my opinion) that a bad injector (cracked nozzle) is dumping enough fuel into the combustion chamber to flood it. In that case, expect lots more to be wrong with the engine -- compression check will tell you. Bad delivery valve seals cause the following symptoms: Bad to horrible injector knock on affected cylinder, with NO change in running with line loose. Cylinder may be completely dead at idle. Normal fuel delivery with line cracked. No smoke. Near normal power and smoothness above approx. 1500 rpm, turbo comes up but late. Compression will be marginal on that cylinder if the problem has been around a while (it was on mine). Oil consumption will be normal -- on 60x engines, that means essentially none. Peter
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
This one smokes somewhat at idle, but when revving its quite a smoking SOB which is why head gasket is probably most likely I guess Peter Frederick wrote: If that plunger set it toast, yes. There is no other way I know of that fuel can get into the oil other than through the bottom side of the IP. It's possible (although unlikely in my opinion) that a bad injector (cracked nozzle) is dumping enough fuel into the combustion chamber to flood it. In that case, expect lots more to be wrong with the engine -- compression check will tell you. Bad delivery valve seals cause the following symptoms: Bad to horrible injector knock on affected cylinder, with NO change in running with line loose. Cylinder may be completely dead at idle. Normal fuel delivery with line cracked. No smoke. Near normal power and smoothness above approx. 1500 rpm, turbo comes up but late. Compression will be marginal on that cylinder if the problem has been around a while (it was on mine). Oil consumption will be normal -- on 60x engines, that means essentially none. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Peter wrote:bad [lift] pump will give you the running problems you
have.
Are the problems you refer to the rough idle after being warmed up?
TIA
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Oh, and the lift pump can do the same thing, I think. Much cheaper and
worth a try if there is serious fuel contamination.
A bad pump will give you the running problems you have.
Peter
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Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
Its got an injector nailing Luther Gulseth wrote: I noticed that it knocked real hard when cold and was a lil smoother when warmed up. Did it do the same for you? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 420SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 73 280SEL 4.5, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] update on my 2.5 turbo
White, blue, or black? Blue can be a bad turbo (leaking copious oil into the exhaust), cheap fix. Will run badly if it has leaked enough oil into the intake to roast the prechambers. Peter
