[MBZ] ball park $$ for E300-320??

[E M]

Hi Everyone,
I'm new to the list, and I'm looking for an older Mercedes for both myself,
and my Dad.  LarryT had given me some good adivse so far.  I was wonder what
I should expect to pay for a either a sedan or wagon, late '80s to early
90's?  Something with around 80,000-160,000 kms,  I think that's about
60,000-110,000 in American. :-)  I know it really depends on condition with
an older car like this, but I'm just looking for ballpark, maybe High and
Low end, but not Low end as a parts car, but drivable but requires a little
cleaning up and sorting out.
Thanks in advance for your thoughts.  I'm enjoying all the posts and feel
I'm learning already.

Zeb

Re: [MBZ] cheap 95 wagon

[E M]

I thought all the old MBs lists were now rolled into just this one, diesel
and gas cars?

Zeb

On 20/11/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


What I meant to say was: "why would anyone on a DIESEL list want to
purchase
a gasoline powered vehicle".




On 11/17/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> >
> > Who cares?  It's gasoline.
>
> I might care, it's the last year of one of the best chassis MBZ ever
> built.
> If I didn't have a 201.34 sitting here waiting for my 2.5 turbo engine,
> I'd give serious thought into buying that wagon and selling the engine.
> Mitch.
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[MBZ] Think a wagon is the way to go.

[E M]

I'm pretty new to the list, and for the most part, sitting back and trying
to read as many posts as I can and just soak it all up. :-)

After talking to one of my Porsche friends on the list about some benz
models, I think I have settled on an E class wagon.  I still can remember
the chassis numbers, but they are ones that started in the mid to later 80s,
then changed body style and ended in "00 I think?  I'm just keeping an eye
on eBay to try to get an idea of what I should pay.  I'd like something with
about 80-90K miles, nice and clean and no crashes.  I'll keep looking and
get back to the list when I narrow it down and see something I like.

A friend had a SD years ago, and I loved that car!!  I'd like one too, but
at this time, I think the wagon fits the bill better.  I currenly have an
old ford wagon to the pets, guitars and amps around in, so the benz will
replace that car.  If running an old benz works out ok, I'll have my dad
replace his car with a wagon too; anything to keep him out of an SUV. lol.

I'll keep you all updated.
Zeb

[MBZ] Window Shopping.

[E M]

As I've mentioned, I'm in the market for an older wagon, but thought I'd do
a little window shopping as I haven't been to the dealer in a while.  I went
to look at the S550 sedan, but while there, they were road testing a new
CL550.  I have a number of pics off the net of this car, and I can say,
while it looks pretty good in the pics, it looks much better in the flesh!!
Just a really nice package.

Once that car left for a road test, I wandered inside to check out an SLR.
It is a real Q ship in that unless you really know what you are looking at,
it doesn't really stand out all that much.  I personally like the car for
that reason, but I would like the interior to look a little richer.  Some of
the interior parts just look cheap to me.  I have seen a few around town
now, and they have a great rumble at idle and lower speeds.  I haven't heard
one really wound out in person, so not sure, but from the videos I've seen
of them drive on tracks, they sounds very "unique" when pushed.  The rotors
are so pretty, they sould be hanging on a wall in a gallery.

Well, that was my day window shopping, so back to reality and looking for
that old wagon. hee hee.

Take care everyone,
Zeb

Re: [MBZ] Window Shopping.

[E M]

Well, I know for sure a 300SEL 6.3 was as was a 450SEL 6.9

Zeb

On 22/11/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Very cool.  I never heard of that term and certainly would never had
guessed.

I guess my 1983 300TD and '70 280SE 3.5 coupe are both "Q ships".


On 11/22/06, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> andrew strasfogel wrote:
> > What's a "Q ship"?
> >
>
> Similar to a "sleeper."  A car that's a lot faster than it looks.
>
> This dates back to WWII, when it referred to an anti-submarine warship
> disguised to look like a merchant vessel.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Posted my wagon to eBay

[E M]

Interesting, will the car cert in ON.?  What was the body like with regards
to rust before the paint in '04?  Was the door rust there at the time of
painting?

Thanks Timothy.

Zeb >> looking :-)

On 05/12/06, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Please don't laugh, I'm new at this eBay thing.

http://tinyurl.com/y6t23f

Tim
1982 300TD Moby (for sale)
1991 300TE 4Matic Beulah

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Re: [MBZ] Posted my wagon to eBay

[E M]

I"m not a real ebay guy, but I'm keeping my eye on it.

Zeb

On 05/12/06, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Rght!

Tim
1982 300TD
1991 300TE 4Matic

===
Message: 9
Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:36:17 -0500
From: Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring. The reserve is $500, right ;-)?

Mac (channelling Kaleb)

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Re: [MBZ] [Fwd: Flex disc failure pictorial]

[E M]

does the flex disk exist on all W126 models, regardless of D or E ?

thanks,
Zeb

On 07/12/06, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Mon, 04 Dec 2006 19:49:14 -0500 Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> >
>
> > Did this make it to any of the mailing lists yet? Pretty eye-opening
> > stuff. The fact that it set off the airbags at 60mph is a little
> > sobering. Anyway...
> >
> > http://www.dieselgiant.com/Mercedes%20flex%20disc%20failure.htm
> >
> > When I do the subframe rebuild on my 1987 300D this winter
> > (hopefully), I'm going to replace both flex discs as a proactive
> > measure, even if they appear OK. They are at least 10 years old, as
> > that's how long I've owner the car, and I've never replaced them. I'm
> > also going to look reeeaaal close at my other cars discs...!
>
> That's the second documented flex disc failure I've seen in the last
> year showing it wiping out the transmission mount and tearing up lots
> more as well. I have had flex discs fail, but well before they they
> started to disintegrate, they made noise and vibrated. Still, any rubber
> part more than 15 years old can fly apart without ANY warning. I have
> 19+ year old flex discs on the three cars I still run..

Don't they have the centering "hub" like the driveshafts on the W123?
These should keep the shaft center even if the flex disk disintegrates,
shouldn't they?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] Holy Grail

[E M]

you have one of these wagons for sale?

Zeb

On 08/12/06, Jeff Zedic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Wow, so I own the Holy Grail of cars and am selling it? AWESOME!

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
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Re: [MBZ] Posted my wagon to eBay

[E M]

What happened with the wagon?
Zeb

On 07/12/06, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Nice presentation.  You might want to add a photo of the center dash to
show
the radio cassette and wood in the middle.  If these look good then that
might be worth another couple hundred bucks.

On 12/5/06, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I"m not a real ebay guy, but I'm keeping my eye on it.
>
> Zeb
>
> On 05/12/06, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Rght!
> >
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD
> > 1991 300TE 4Matic
> >
> > ===
> > Message: 9
> > Date: Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:36:17 -0500
> > From: Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > I'm gonna throw my hat into the ring. The reserve is $500, right ;-)?
> >
> > Mac (channelling Kaleb)
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Re: [MBZ] Posted my wagon to eBay

[E M]

If you don't mind me asking, what type of money did you need for it?  I've
decided to try and find two older mercs to replace what my Dad and I
currently have as daily drivers.  Reading all the posts on the list, I'd
like to try a diesel, but two older gasers with proper maintance would be ok
too.  I was thinking, a wagon, and an older S Class, or a wagon and sedan E
Class.  If anyone knows of any, in good shape (no rust), and well serviced,
please let me know.  I'm in the ON Canada area.  Willing to pay a fair price
for the right cars, but not really interested in projects, especially this
time of year. hee hee.  I would want to PPI the cars, and I'm not an eBay
buyer.

Thanks in advance for any help.
Zeb


On 14/12/06, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Whoops, a little backed up on emails.

The wagon didn't meet reserve. I've yet to decide what to do with it,
as my wife and I still kind of want to hang onto it. It's just that
parking is tight, money too with a baby arriving in a couple months.

Tim
1982 300TD (still for sale)
1991 300TE 4Matic

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What happened with the wagon?
Zeb

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Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

[E M]

I have a '94 Sunbird as "mall car" to save the porsche.  Had it from new,
200,000 kms, almost 13 salty winters.  I refused to pay the extra for rust
protect (above what the factory did on the line) and the car has lived
outside.  It's had a new alt, couple of batteries, rad, and a few hoses
changed due to age, not failing.  Only started to see a little rust last
year, but ver minor.  Did the brakes myself last year, new pads, pins,
rotors, etc.  Total cost, with taxes for the whole front end, $105.  It's
been cheap motoring.  Maybe not a car to get excited about, and the fit and
finish is, well, lets not go there. But having said that, I've seen some
pretty shocking things in newer Mercedes too.
Zeb

On 15/12/06, Bob Rentfro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I agreewe seem to be able to do trucks right.
The '98 F150 I bought new was doing great (only $ spent was regular PMs
and
a serpentine belt) when some lamebrain pulled out in front of me and it
was
totaled. I've only purchased one new "domestic" car...an '81 Ford Fiesta
(I've forgotten who made those). That was the car my wifed learned to
operate a manny tranny. Even after that abuse, it was a great little
car...even in the Minnesota cold. In three winters it always started, even
on the three days my '72 220D wouldn't.

Bob R

- Original Message -
From: "Curt Raymond" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Diesel List" 
Sent: Friday, December 15, 2006 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos


>
> I disagree somewhat. American made CARS are crap. Trucks are a different
> story.
> Witness my Dodge Dakota, 1996 196kmi. Biggest repairs have been the
> waterpump and radiator, oh and a starter.
> Other than that its been brakes, exhausts (killed by my wife's 4 mile
> daily commute), tires
> and 2 batteries. Overall I'm VERY satisfied with the truck. I bought it
in
> '99 with 58k.
>
> Before that my '88 GMC Jimmy S15 my parents bought new. I replaced it
with
> the Dakota in '99 at 155k because the body was rotting off.
> Don't let the low mileage fool you that truck was thrashed through its
> life. It carried me through 4.5 years of college and numerous hunting
> trips
> and offroad jaunts.
>
> Before that my '84 Ford Tempo was also a pretty good car but killed by
the
> rust monster at 110k. It still had the original clutch even with me
> learning to drive on it...
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Thu, 14 Dec 2006 16:07:42 -0500
> From: "Levi Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
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> I find the new ones at least as easy, if not more so than the old ones.
> Sure, you either have to take it to Autozone, or spend $100 for a code
> reader (some of the Mercedes tools are way more than that) but then any
> time
> there's a problem my experience has been that it pretty much just tells
> you
> what the problem is and you replace the part...
>
> But I agree that other than a couple exceptions most all of the
> American
> stuff never lasts.  My sister is trying to get rid of a 97' Taurus.  I
> think
> it has maybe 150K miles on it, and has already had the tranny rebuilt,
> replaced like all of the window motors, and numerous other things I'm
> forgetting.  Right now it's leaking gas and the second tranny(it might
> be
> the original rebuilt) is slipping.  She took it to the dealer and they
> wouldn't even take it.  As soon as they felt the tranny slipping they
> said
> "Maybe $100" but didn't want to touch it.
> She's getting an 03' Civic that will hopefully be as trouble free as my
> two
> 97' Subaru's...
>
> Levi
> Anyone near Boston looking for a 97' Taurus?  Still in daily use! (:
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Re: [MBZ] Golden Age? Finding 80s Autos

[E M]

I had a chevette (shove-it) as my friends called it.  had it 10 years, salty
winter and put about 120,000 kms on it.  No mechanical problems at all, and
hardly any rust.  sold it to a friend who put another 150,000 kms on it, and
didn't like the white colour, so painted it black, with a brush!! ha ha ha.
If they still made them, I'd buy one.  My gf at the time thought it was
cute, and prefered it to my porsche. :-)
Zeb

On 15/12/06, Tony Wirtel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


VWs are off the list just because I don't get the attraction:
> everyone I know who has one, is always fixing some dumb sh*t or other.
>
> If you have a Chevette or a K-Car for sale, you can do really well
around
> here. They were laughed at in the day, but now people want them back.
>
> That says something, donnit?
>
> Mac

Mac:

Where you at?  Here in the Philadelphia area Chevettes had Flintstone
brakes (i.e. rusted out floorpans) in 5-6 years.

For the age, don't many rusted K-cars though- maybe they had galvanized
metal?

Tony Wirtel

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Re: [MBZ] 2.5 turbo apart, SDL dead

[E M]

left the interior light on?
Zeb :-)

On 15/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Well, now that its dark, I just went out to check the status of the
battery charging.  After a little diagnostic work, I found the problem.
  Anybody care to guess what it was?

Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:

> thanks
>
> Peter Frederick wrote:
>
>>Check fuse 13, and for a short or bad switch on the trunk lamp.
>>
>>You also need to check the relay for the safety belt sign, it goes bad
>>and pulls about an amp.
>>
>>Both of these ran the battery down on my brother's SDL.
>>
>>Peter
>>
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[MBZ] WTB 240D

[E M]

Does anyone know of a good sound 240D in the Ontario Canada region for
sale?  Not sure what the market is for one here, but looking for one with a
sound body, and good mechanicals.  I don't mind little weekend projects,
like changing some hoses, servicing, etc, but don't want to do body work,
and I'm not looking for a real project.  Or even a gaser if it's in good
order.  Doesn't have to be fast, it's mostly for city use.  Thanks,

Zeb

ps. also interested in a clean well serviced 420SEL or 300SDL.

Re: [MBZ] Apple

[E M]

I'm using an older pc at home now, but I've had about 7 Macs over the years,
starting with an SE.  Not sure about support with the mac, I never had us it
or had a problem with one, except for the time I dropped a laptop and had to
replace the motherboard.  They were all used lots, and never a failure, lost
data or anything like that..  The dealer fixed the laptop fast and no
further problems, I was just more careful where I set it after that. :-)
Not sure what the current ones are like.

Zeb

On 26/12/06, Zoltan Finks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


As a graphic artist who started out in the early nineties, I'm a fan of
Macs, but cannot back it up with the specific reasons you guys give. Maybe
I'm a sucker.

On the other hand, all I've had access to in recent years (aside from at
school lately) is a Dell pentuim IV PC. Things have changed in the last
decade or so, in that I can now do most modest graphic arts tasks on a
regular home PC.

The thing that I'm intrigued by, as we are now looking for another home
computer that I can also do graphic design work on, is the supposed vastly
superior tech. support available through Apple. Not to step on any toes
out
there, but I really hate dealing with tech support guys - they usually
sport
such a "I know stuff you don't and I have the answers you need, so I don't
have to be nice to you, (and I don't get out into the open air much and
thus
have few soical skills) attitude.

Supposedly, and confirmed by Chuck, a call/email/visit to the Apple store
can net us interaction with fluent English speakers with good social
skills
and real solutions. That's what I need.

Thoughts on this, and the value provided by the more expensive Mac and its
software? How about reliability?

Brian

No, that's not quite what an Apple Store is like...  If I need some
help and there's warranty or extended warranty, I can log onto
apple.com and make an appointment w/a "genius" in my local Store in
Chandler, AZ...  Take laptop/desktop in and they will generally take
care of it even if I screwed it up.  I did that w/IPhoto and voila!,
fixed.  I signed up for $99/year for mac.com and get storage/
synch/etc., /

FWIW, I've got an iBook G4 PowerPC w/OS 10.4.8 and an Emac (at home)
w/Classic Environment...

Would never go back to PC.  But, if I need to, I can log onto
mac.com on a PC and get my mail, etc.

And let's not forgetMERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL AND ALL WHOM YOU
LOVE!!!

Take care,

Chuck
Phoenix AZ
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Re: [MBZ] Fuck?

[E M]

I'm new to the Benz market and joined this list to try and find a couple of
good examples and learn a few things before buying.  I don't mind paying a
fair buck, or even a little more for the right car, but the few I've looked
at so far that people have told me are mint, are, well, junk.  I'll keep at
it another 6 months or so and hope I find something worth buying.  This car
shopping is tough. :-)
Zeb

On 27/12/06, Gary Hurst <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


the market for the 123 TDs has gone berzerk over the past few years.  i
bought mine 4 years ago for 2500 and really figured i was paying top
dollar
for it.  I recently actually received a call along these lines a few
months
ago:


Hello, you know where i can find diesel mercedes for sale.
no, not really, i only have one and i don't really want to sell it
ok, i come look at it
no,no i don't want to sell it.
what kind is it?
81 300TD
ok, i come see it . when is good for you?
no, no, it's a ratty car. you don't want it.  i don't want to sell
it.  the
rear quarter is smashed.  it leaks a quart of oil every hundred
miles.  you
don't want it.
i come see.  when is good for you?

I had to hang up on the dude.

what a long way this is from when i bought my first benz diesel, a 72
220D,
original owner, all books and records, immaculately maintained and in mint
condition.  The seller couldn't even get an offers on it besides my $1500
one in six months of trying.

'twas a different world, huh?



On 12/27/06, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> $14k... And some fuck laughed at me on the phone when I said I was
> looking for a third of that. I told him to come back when he was
> serious.
>
>
>
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-1985-300TD-Wagon-Turbo-Diesel-Low-Miles-Nice_W0QQitemZ300063109407QQihZ020QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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> Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Sexual Intercourse?

[E M]

I saw John Lennon's wagon at auction a few years back.  The reserve was
little higher than $14,000!  hee hee
Zeb

On 27/12/06, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Yeah, a bit steep for a 123 station wagon, especially as it does not
appear
to be a 7 seater. However what other people do with their money is their
business.
Now if this was John Lennons 123 wagon, then we might be in the ball park.

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Subject: [MBZ] Fick?


> $14k... >
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Re: [MBZ] My 300SDL is being adopted

[E M]

I would have been interested too, but trying to find a local car.  I'm sure
your Grandson will love it, and you for gifting it to him.

Zeb

On 31/12/06, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I would have bought it, but you are too far away.

Peter T. Arnold wrote:

> Having found no interest while selling my Benz, I have elected to keep
> it in the family and allow my Grandson to adopt it.
> He is 18 and not a gear head.  He'll drive and maintain it as long as
> I assi$t, and instruct.
> A good thing, I will get to use it on long road trips, weddings and
> funerals.
> For all of the above I will continue to lurk here.
>
> Happy New Years..
>
> --
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> Regards,
>
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs

[E M]

Hi Larry,
Why not really go to town and stuff a 6.9 in there and find some period
correct AMG stuff for the car.  I have an old AMG (Hammer era) catalog and
some of the kits for the W123 were pretty cool.  They even had one for the
wagon.  Hee hee, a 6.9 in a W123...that would leave a few guys at the stop
lights talking to themselves!  :-)

Ever see the article about 15 years ago with the guy who stuffed all the
running gear from a 928 into a Rabbit. ha ha ha.  Probably too much time on
his hands, but it must have been fun trying to keep that car from turning
itself inside out when playing with the loud pedal.  :-)

Zeb

On 31/12/06, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Absolutely amazing photos!  Tell us - is that a 450 V8 in the 240D?  Now
that we have the 91 300D and have tasted what a marvel the diesel has
become
(to that time) I keep looking at my 78 240D thinking it might be a good
candidate for a transplant of a small block V6 or V8 from a GM or  Ford
donor - at ~65hp with auto and AC it's not really great for driving in the
summer - especially when confronted with numerous stop lights and heat
needing AC.  That's why the 240D in your photos really caught my eye.

No body get excited - just mulling things over in my head.  Primary thing
holding me back is the reality of having my 67 MGB partially assembled -
and
making slow progress.  Attempting a transplant such as this would be a
huge
effort for me.

BTW, are there any kits out there for installing a V6 or V8 in a
W123?  With
all the 240Ds and 300Ds out there surely someone has developed a kit to
get
them back on the road - when someone has a dead engine and nice body --

TIA - Happy New Year -

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Subject: [MBZ] Amazing MBs


> At least amazing to me!
>
> Hope these get through.
>
> MikeN
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs

[E M]

I think I want one. :-)

Zeb

On 31/12/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


E M wrote:
> Ever see the article about 15 years ago with the guy who stuffed all the
> running gear from a 928 into a Rabbit. ha ha ha.

Did you see the 993 Turbo in a Type 1 (split window) VW transporter?
There's a video of it running at Spa, passing a V12 Aston Martin
and a Porsche turbo, filmed through the windshield of the Porsche.
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Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs

[E M]

How hard is it to find a really nice 240D Larry?  Are there still some
around that have very little if any rust?  My old 911 is "perfect" but what
are the odds of finding such a diesel?  Was the 240 made up to '85, or did
the 300TD replace it for North America?  What should I expect to pay for a
really nice one?  Anyone have any leads?  thanks.

Zeb.

On 01/01/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


WOW!  Thanks for all the response to my passing remark about putting a
different engine in my 240D!   BTW, I saw that video a couple of weeks ago
with the VW Bus outrunning the Porsche 993 - if you've ever driven a VW
Bus
you'll know what a change in personality that is!  From slower than a 240D
auto with AC on in the heat of summer, to AMG  tricked out speeds.
Incredible.

DOn't know what (if anything) I'll do to the 240D.  Right now, the engine
is
perfect and the body is 90% perfect - but I think a W123 300D Turbo is
probably the best option.

Does the 300D T use a different AT than my 240D?  I guess it might depend
on
the donor 300?

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Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 12:30 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Amazing MBs


> Jim,
>
> If you donate the 617 turbo, I'll do the conversion and document the
"how
> to."  Otherwise, i'll have to use the NA one I have.
>
> At 07:00 PM 12/31/2006, you wrote:
>> > BTW, are there any kits out there for installing a V6 or V8 in a
W123?
>>
>>Much less trouble, and of far more interest to most of us, is putting
>>a 300D turbo engine in instead.  Lots of rust/wrecks out there still.
>>
>>-- Jim
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Ten most over-rated "sports' cars/from the road tests

[E M]

Yeah, I was getting a little worried as I read down the list!!!  :-)

Zeb.

On 03/01/07, Hendrik Riessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Even better, for some, is that no Porsches made the list.yet:-)

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> The Good News..!!!
>
> No Mercedes-Benz cars are on the list!!
>
> Chuck
> Phoenix AZ
>
> On Jan 2, 2007, at 7:00 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Spiders

[E M]

when barfing, keep your mouth open, it makes it a lot easier. :-)

Ed
911SC

On 04/01/07, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Since I'm home sick (repeat after me, food poisoning is nothing you want)
I'm desparate for entertainment.
http://www.devilducky.com/media/55981/

BTW, somebody on here the other day mentioned he was a barfer. I'm not so
this is a new (extremely unpleasant) experience for me. How do I get the
barf bits out of my nose?

-Curt

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Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves

[E M]

I find if things are stuck, a little penetrating oil and heat.  I don't use
a torch, I do it the old fashioned way, I drive the car and use the brakes.
hee hee.  Allow them to heat sink, which is pretty much what they are.  I
always drive the car a little and heat things up before working on my
brakes.  they get hot fast with just a little use, so toasty on the
fingers.  Give the oil a couple of days to work in if you can.

Good luck Larrry,
Zeb

On 05/01/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Howdy!
The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are corroded
so
badly they will not unscrew.  Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips or
similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are turned.

I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke off
inside the bleeder!  No fun there!

So, what works?  What doesn't?

Thx -

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Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves

[E M]

I can get the car up and wheels off pretty quick so mine don't get a chance
to cool down much, and you may be surprised how quick those rotors get hot.
Just drive it and pretend you're in the 911. :-)  That should get some heat
into them. hee hee
Zeb

On 05/01/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Thanks - I put some PB Blaster on them - not sure how much heat is
generated
by the rear calipers but wil gve it a try/Might try the propane very
gently.

Thanks again -
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Removing Corroded Bleed Valves


>I find if things are stuck, a little penetrating oil and heat.  I don't
use
> a torch, I do it the old fashioned way, I drive the car and use the
> brakes.
> hee hee.  Allow them to heat sink, which is pretty much what they
are.  I
> always drive the car a little and heat things up before working on my
> brakes.  they get hot fast with just a little use, so toasty on the
> fingers.  Give the oil a couple of days to work in if you can.
>
> Good luck Larrry,
> Zeb
>
> On 05/01/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> Howdy!
>> The bleed valves on the rear calipers of my 91 300D 2.5T are
corroded
>> so
>> badly they will not unscrew.  Attempts to grab them with a vise-grips
or
>> similar results in the bleeders starting to collapse as they are
turned.
>>
>> I haven't had any luck with easy-outs - last time I tried one it broke
>> off
>> inside the bleeder!  No fun there!
>>
>> So, what works?  What doesn't?
>>
>> Thx -
>>
>> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] 1955 Gullwing - Apparently Found in Barn?

[E M]

very much doubt you could by this barn car and do a proper restoration for
$325,000.  but I guess that holds true of most restoration projects when
compared to buying a car that someone else has done the work on.

Zeb

On 05/01/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


A very nice red unrestored but non-rusty GW sold at the televised Barrett
Jackson (?) auction for $325K last week.  The seller also had a matching
300SL roadster that fetched about the same $$s.  Both were one-owner cars!




On 1/5/07, Ed Booher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
http://www.astonmartin-lotus.com/inventory/index.php?page_function=detail&product_id=505
>
> I'm afraid to even call and ask  any one want to lay odds and take
> bets on the number of zeros?
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Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers

[E M]

Did you heat the fronts up frist?  I know that feeling all to well, when you
think it breaks free, only to have the head of the nut or whatever fall off
in your hand. :-)  Don't you just love fixing cars in the winter. hee hee

Zeb

On 07/01/07, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Well, after examining my rear calipers and finding both had damaged bleed
screws I decided to look at the front calipers.  Sure enough, the flats in
the hex were damaged by what appears to have been pliers (!!).  So, I
tried
to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a very small
hammer - slowly.  Sure enough, just when I thought they had broken loose
then broke where they enter the caliper.  #!!#$%##  Says I.   Seems the
same
monkey who worked on the rear brakes had been turned loose on the front
brakes with a pair of pliers.  Why someone without proper tools to
open/close the bleeder would need to open and close the bleeders is beyond
me.  Changing fluid?  Scarey.  Oh well.  I guess worse has happened to
others -

So, now I can either try to remove what's left of the bleed screws or save
myself the hassle and install new or rebuilt calipers.

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Re: [MBZ] Brake Calipers

[E M]

ha ha ha, yeah, it's amazing what we can all come up with, an hour after
dinner, on a Sunday evening, with broken parts all around us in the
driveway, and we need the car for tomorrow morning for work. :-)  More
interesting, or sould I say entertaining, would be not to read about the
fixes, but rather, the stories behind why we had to come up with some of
these fixes. hee hee :-)  Keep at it Larry and good luck.  If you can't fix
it on your first attempt, you probaby just need to use a bigger hammer. :-)

Zeb

Thanks for all the comments - very helpful.  It's great to have access to so

many experienced people who have come up with so ways to fix things when
they only had themselves to depend on.

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>
>
> LarryT wrote:
>>  I tried to unscrew them - got a wrench on them and tapped it with a
very
>> small hammer - slowly.  Sure enough, just when I thought they had
broken
>> loose then broke where they enter the caliper.  #!!#$%##  Says I.
>
> You did hammer on them (like pounding in nails) to knock them loose
> before you tried to turn them, didn't you?
>
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Whistle'n Sunroof.....still

[E M]

sure it's not the mirrors?

Zeb


On 15/01/07, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Are you sure it's from the sunroof??  My 280SE 3.5 coupe  whistles at
speeds  > 65 mph.  I thought it was from a mis-adjusted s/r (closed
too high in the front) but I hear the same noise with the roof open as
closed...
Andrew



On 1/15/07, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Check the trunk vents.  Not sure where they are in that car, likely
> hidden under the bumper trim.
>
> If damaged, they will siphon exhaust fumes into the car.
>
> You should also replace the "seal" on the sunroof.  It's not actually a
> seal, just a fiber type gasket that slows down the water and air
> exchange. If worn out (likely, if not replaced) it will leave a gap
> instead of a porous interface, and it is likely to whistle.  Ditto for
> the fore and aft adjustement -- if the roof panel isn't tight at the
> front, it will whistle no matte what the height adjustment.
>
> Peter
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Re: [MBZ] Am I on crack...?

[E M]

I think it's fair for a car is the shape described.  I'd pay it.  Only
thing, I keep hearing all these stories about how long lived diesels are and
then see many with engine rebuilds at less than 400,000 kms.  Nothing wrong
with a rebuild engine, but makes me question the premium often asked for old
diesels?  I have over 350,000kms on my gasser now, and it's all original.
Engine is strong and trans shifts well, so I do question the whole, "diesels
go forever thing".

But to answer your question, I think your car seems like a fair deal.  I
even think the colour is pretty good. :-)

Ed
300E

On 09/11/2007, Joe Knight <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/car/473707498.html
> Most probably but I've found a replacement so it's time to see what
> it'll bring.  If it doesn't sell within a week or so for something
> close to this I'll probably list it on fleabay and let the chips fall
> where they may.
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Re: [MBZ] 560SEL...Why '91?

[E M]

no, they just move production to South Africa. :-)

Ed
300E

On 12/11/2007, Steve MacSween <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ah, so you're saying that Mercedes is like every other carmaker.
>
> It takes them 11 years of production to work all the bugs out.
>
> Then they immediately discontinue the model.
>
> :-0
>
> Mac
>
> on 11/12/07 13:28, Rusty Cullens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> > It was the best one they built, all the kinks were worked out.
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> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Robert Rentfro" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Sent: Monday, November 12, 2007 1:21 PM
> > Subject: [MBZ] 560SEL...Why '91?
> >
> >
> >> What makes a '91 560SEL the desirable one?
> >>
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 560SEL...Why '91?

[E M]

I'm pretty sure the 126 carried on a few more years in South Africa.  Bugs I
believe were made in various places, I think the older, air cooled van was
too?  When they stopped production of the old Bug a few years back, not sure
what they replaced it with, but I think it was with another older model,
either the Rabbit or earlier golf.  They're still making cars in India that
the Brits gave up on 40 or more years ago.  And for those restoring those
old Brit cars, they're now buying their new fenders from India. Some tuning
companies like RUF were doing it too with porsches, on a much smaller scale,
until they ran out of parts.

Ed
300E

On 12/11/2007, Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I thought that was Volkswagen...
>
> On Nov 12, 2007, at 3:23 PM, E M wrote:
>
> > no, they just move production to South Africa. :-)
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
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Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...

[E M]

they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster and
cheaper. :-)

Ed
300E

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> Actually, Porsche was a struggling (and almost dead) company not too
> many years ago. It's refreshing to see Capitalism at work.
>
> Tom
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> Original Message
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> Subject: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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> F.
> Porsche AG, Stuttgart, confirmed the pre-tax earnings of the Porsche
> Group in
> the 2006/07 year of business, achieving a record figure of Euro 5.857
> billion,
> up very significantly from the previous year's figure of Euro 2.110
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Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...

[E M]

many feel they kind of missed the mark with the quality when they got into
the 996, Box era, and I'm one of them.  Saved the company, brought in a lot
of new customers, and money, so it all went according to plan.  I know I
wouldn't want one of those cars. One models I like now are the Carrera GT
and the GT3.  No interest in owning a CGT, like that would happen anyway,
but glad they built it, if for no other reason than the remind ppl, you can
still build an exotic super car with a stick shift, and not those stupid
paddle flipper things.

I was a loyal customers when the company was going bust, so not sure my
input really counts for much to them. :-)

300E
911SC, and maybe another one on the way. :-)

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> Some people equate cheaper wiith lower quality but "faster and cheaper"
> is not a bad thing as long as quality is not compromised.
>
> Tom
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>
> Original Message
> From: E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: 11/13/07 09:26 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster
> and
> cheaper. :-)
>
> Ed
> 300E
>
> On 13/11/2007, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Actually, Porsche was a struggling (and almost dead) company not too
> > many years ago. It's refreshing to see Capitalism at work.
> >
> > Tom
> > www.kegkits.com
> >
> > Original Message
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: 11/13/07 02:26 PM
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> > Subject: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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> h.c.
> > F.
> > Porsche AG, Stuttgart, confirmed the pre-tax earnings of the Porsche
> > Group in
> > the 2006/07 year of business, achieving a record figure of Euro 5.857
> > billion,
> > up very significantly from the previous year's figure of Euro 2.110
> > billion.
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Re: [MBZ] What was the last real Mercedes?

[E M]

My vote goes for a 5.0L V8 W140.  560 SEL would be a close second, third, a
W124 wagon with a 3.2L inline 6.  Ok, do you want to hear my top 10 list?
:-)

Ed
300E

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>
> My vote is for the 126 in big cars, and the 124 in the
> mid-range.  Never owned a 201, so I can't comment on them.  My vote
> for the best car in the world, ever, is the 300SDL.  If my memory is
> correct, the 126 was the last of the hand-touched bodies, as opposed
> to the robotic, untouched bodies.
>
> 140s seem to have no soul.
>
> At 10:37 AM 11/10/2007, you wrote:
> >This is based on price/quality accordance overall, suitability for DIY,
> and
> >parts prices.
> >
> >I vote w124.
> >
> >Flames off list pls.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] top 10 fave.was best benz

[E M]

Ok, so many on the list here are taking great care of the earth with their
diesels, so I may have to buy a few carbon points off them to run my list.
:-)

W140 600 CL AMG optioned.
W126 560 SEL
W124 320 TE
W124 500 E
W123 300 TDT
W??? 450 SEL 6.9
W100 600 SWB
G55
SLR
Unimog

Well, there you go. Those are the ones I'd like in my garage. :-)

Ed
300E


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> > Ok, do you want to hear my top 10 list?  :-)
>
> Of course!  Beats another oil thread...
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Re: [MBZ] top 10 fave.was best benz

[E M]

I think it's there, #5.  :-)

Ed
300E

On 14/11/2007, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You left out the greatest all around Mercedes of all time -  the W123
> 300TD turbodiesel wagon.
>
> Handles like a sports car
> Incredibly versatile
> Fast and powerful
> Rugged and durable
> Easy to work on
> Low cost repairs and parts
> Runs on a variety of fuels
>
> Did I mention that it handles like a sports car?
>
>
> On Nov 14, 2007 1:37 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Ok, so many on the list here are taking great care of the earth with
> their
> > diesels, so I may have to buy a few carbon points off them to run my
> list.
> > :-)
> >
> > W140 600 CL AMG optioned.
> > W126 560 SEL
> > W124 320 TE
> > W124 500 E
> > W123 300 TDT
> > W??? 450 SEL 6.9
> > W100 600 SWB
> > G55
> > SLR
> > Unimog
> >
> > Well, there you go. Those are the ones I'd like in my garage. :-)
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> >
> > On 14/11/2007, Jim Cathey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ok, do you want to hear my top 10 list?  :-)
> > >
> > > Of course!  Beats another oil thread...
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche scraping along

[E M]

Na, I read other posts besides my own, I just try to avoid reading yours
whenever possible.

Defects are largely based on what people bring back and complain about.
It's as much to do with owner expectations, as it is about a quality
product.  Most guys how guy a new S Class are probably going to be a little
pickier than a guy who buys a Camry.

As for the 993 being a zero defects car, it was far from that.  If you think
it is, go and buy the best one you can find and live with it for awhile.
Blow an engine up a newer porsche, under warranty, and they won't even try
to rebuild it, they'll just plug a new one in..   Nothing wrong with a
Boxster, I've spend lots of time in them, but many of the parts look like
they were supplied by IKEA, and some of the engineering, is just, well,
crap!

Porsche is making lots of money and stying healthy.  Good for them, just
means I'll be more likely to be able to get factory parts of my old beaters
in the years to come.

As for Mercedes, the new S550 also came out with near zero defects.  Having
said that, most are probably leased for 3-4 years, so if dumping the car in
a few years, maybe the driver doesn't look as close as the guy 20 years ago
who wrote out the big cheque, and planned to live with the car for 15 years
or 400,000 kms does.  Lets see what the near zero defect S looks like in 10
years.

Ed
300E, and other stuff too.

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>
> < and
> cheaper. :-)>>
>
> Ed, this is what happens when all you read are your own posts.
>
> As I posted some time back, more than twelve years ago Porsche openly
> hired a
> Japanese consulting company to come in and redesign the factory (from the
> "German" way of doing things) to lower costs and raise efficiency.
>
> As a result, production cost of the 993 was cut by a third and soon after,
> the first zero defects car was built in the company's history. And today,
> Porsche's profit per unit is the highest in the industry, worldwide.
>
> Which is also why I bought a new Mercedes instead of a Boxster or Cayman.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...

[E M]

It may very well happen Larry. :-)  Another SC.  One owner car, Targe, all
original with 58,000 miles. Being all original, may be picking your brain on
a few updates.  Want to use it for daily transport, so looking at a few
things, like SSI heat exchangers.  Just had a full service and the top
rebuilt.  I do know the car and drive it from time to time.  Goes like the
hammers!!  More stable on the road at 100 with the top off than a Boxster
with the top down. :-)

My thinking is, to enjoy dedicated cars, like a 911 sports car, and a benz
for real comfort for another 10 years or so.  Then, I plan to down size and
move more towards a all in one car, like a M5.  Four sets, good trunk and an
engine to to go out and tickle Ferraris with. ;-)

I'll keep you updated Larry.

Ed
300E

On 14/11/2007, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ed wrote <<911SC, and maybe another one on the way. :-) >>
>
> Could it be???  Is it True??  Are congratulation in order?  Do you know
> who
> the father is?  I always heard them called pregnant roller skates - now I
> know why -
>
> Actually you're pretty lucky - most people are forced to spend big bucks
> for
> a new Porsche -
>
> Have you lined up a midwife?  Natural birth or medicated?
>
> Hmmm,...  dare I ask? Boy or girl?   I guess sometimes wearing protection
> is
> not the preferred method.
>
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> - Original Message -
> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2007 12:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
>
>
> > many feel they kind of missed the mark with the quality when they got
> into
> > the 996, Box era, and I'm one of them.  Saved the company, brought in a
> > lot
> > of new customers, and money, so it all went according to plan.  I know I
> > wouldn't want one of those cars. One models I like now are the Carrera
> GT
> > and the GT3.  No interest in owning a CGT, like that would happen
> anyway,
> > but glad they built it, if for no other reason than the remind ppl, you
> > can
> > still build an exotic super car with a stick shift, and not those stupid
> > paddle flipper things.
> >
> > I was a loyal customers when the company was going bust, so not sure my
> > input really counts for much to them. :-)
> >
> > 300E
> > 911SC, and maybe another one on the way. :-)
> >
> > On 14/11/2007, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some people equate cheaper wiith lower quality but "faster and cheaper"
> >> is not a bad thing as long as quality is not compromised.
> >>
> >> Tom
> >> www.kegkits.com
> >>
> >> Original Message
> >> From: E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: 11/13/07 09:26 PM
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
> >> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >> they just sent some guys to Japan to show them how to make them faster
> >> and
> >> cheaper. :-)
> >>
> >> Ed
> >> 300E
> >>
> >> On 13/11/2007, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Actually, Porsche was a struggling (and almost dead) company not too
> >> > many years ago. It's refreshing to see Capitalism at work.
> >> >
> >> > Tom
> >> > www.kegkits.com
> >> >
> >> > Original Message
> >> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> > Sent: 11/13/07 02:26 PM
> >> > To: mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >> > Subject: [MBZ] Just another struggling little German company...
> >> > -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
> >> > Stuttgart. In its session today, the Supervisory Board of Dr. Ing.
> >> h.c.
> >> > F.
> >> > Porsche AG, Stuttgart, confirmed the pre-tax earnings of the Porsche
> >> > Group in
> >> > the 2006/07 year of business, achieving a record figure of Euro 5.857
> >> > billion,
> >> > up very significantly from the previous year's figure of Euro 2.110
> >> > billion.
> >> >
> >> > RLE
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > **
> >> > See what

Re: [MBZ] 1985 380SE if anyone is interested

[E M]

Cars like that go for a few hundred here, not thousand. For that kind of
money, you can get a  420 with better paint, interior and lower miles.

Ed
300E

On 21/11/2007, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a $500 to me.
>
> Robert Bigham wrote:
> > WDB CA32C9FA170135
> >
> > Showing 259,373 miles.  Seems to have been sold in Dallas.
> >
> > Appears to have had engine replaced with used 1983 engine
> > (paint marks like wrecking yards use on engine).
> >
> > Tan seats pretty worn front and back
> >
> > Body looks straight - has dings.  Looks rust free.  I didn't look
> > too hard for rust.
> >
> > Original paint has clear coat perishing like they do in Texas.
> > Some kind of metallic metal color gold or silver like.  Has spent
> > a lot of time parked in the sun.  Seats show it.
> >
> > Location Megahertz Motors (low end used car lot) Bryan Texas
> > 979 822 3800.
> >
> > Starts/runs - he moves it around the lot.  I have no idea how it
> > drives out.
> >
> > Has had ""$1995 CASH" on the windshield for months.  I'll bet it
> > would go for a lot less to a real cash buyer.
> >
> > You folks know.  Is this a real POS or maybe a deal for someone?
> > Not for me.  I don't need no Daimler Benz V8.  I got enough problems
> > already.
> > .
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>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>   91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] 1985 380SE if anyone is interested

[E M]

Cars like that go for a few hundred here, not thousand. For that kind of
money, you can get a  420 with better paint, interior and lower miles.

Ed
300E

On 21/11/2007, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sounds like a $500 to me.
>
> Robert Bigham wrote:
> > WDB CA32C9FA170135
> >
> > Showing 259,373 miles.  Seems to have been sold in Dallas.
> >
> > Appears to have had engine replaced with used 1983 engine
> > (paint marks like wrecking yards use on engine).
> >
> > Tan seats pretty worn front and back
> >
> > Body looks straight - has dings.  Looks rust free.  I didn't look
> > too hard for rust.
> >
> > Original paint has clear coat perishing like they do in Texas.
> > Some kind of metallic metal color gold or silver like.  Has spent
> > a lot of time parked in the sun.  Seats show it.
> >
> > Location Megahertz Motors (low end used car lot) Bryan Texas
> > 979 822 3800.
> >
> > Starts/runs - he moves it around the lot.  I have no idea how it
> > drives out.
> >
> > Has had ""$1995 CASH" on the windshield for months.  I'll bet it
> > would go for a lot less to a real cash buyer.
> >
> > You folks know.  Is this a real POS or maybe a deal for someone?
> > Not for me.  I don't need no Daimler Benz V8.  I got enough problems
> > already.
> > .
> >
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>   91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Oil puzzlement

[E M]

Ok, seen it a few times but never asked. What is  blinker fluid?  I'm
curious. :-)

Ed
300E

On 25/11/2007, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well the only other oily like fluids are power steering, brake and
> blinker.
> Check them and go from there.
>
> Loren Faeth wrote:
> > After being gone for 4 days, I returned home tonight and saw a 5'
> > long puddle under the 87 300D.  It appears to be ATF, although there
> > is no red color apparent in the dab I picked up with my finger.  Last
> > summer it was puking ATF at the rate of a qt to 50 miles from the
> > front of  the trans.  Then it just quit leaking.  This puddle seems
> > to originate from the front of the trans/ rear of the engine.
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas?  In the summer it seemed to leak when the
> > car was running, not sitting.  Now it leaks while sitting.  Probably
> > will leak when running also.
> >
> > My only inexpensive hope is that maybe the oil pan gasket is leaking
> > on the trans.  Not sure why the oil slick does not appear red.  I
> > suppose unless anyone else has great suggestions, I should change the
> > trans fluid and filter  and gasket, and see if it helps any.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Loren Faeth
> >
> > 87 300D OM603  Of course it has a 14 head.  That is what it came with.
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Oil puzzlement

[E M]

lol, ok, got it! ;-)  Noticed the "burn bulb" warning light on the dash
couple of days ago, and was all set to go and pick up a bottle of blinker
fluid.  Couldn't for the life of me find in the manual where to pour it in
though!! ;-)

Ed
300E

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>
>
>
> E M wrote:
> >
> > Ok, seen it a few times but never asked. What is  blinker fluid?  I'm
> > curious. :-)
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snipe_hunt
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL conversion for sale

[E M]

"Unique" to me means take 40% off, no matter how well it was done  :-)

Ed
300E

On 29/11/2007, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's a bit steepeven for the "unique" factor.
>
>
> On Thu, 29 Nov 2007 10:29:39 -0600, TimothyPilgrim <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > No affiliation, just ran across it.
> >
> >
> http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1981-MERCEDES-380SL-CONVERTIBLE-TURBODIESEL-ROADSTER-o-b-o-W0QQAdIdZ27479260
> >
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD
> > 1991 300TE 4Matic
> >
>
>
>
> --
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> '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi)
> '82 300CD (166 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel SL conversion for sale

[E M]

Buy a much newer one in nice shape and spend the $20,000 you save doing so
on gas. :-)

Ed
300E

On 29/11/2007, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Interesting I had toyed with the concept of having my SL converted to
> diesel
>
> BUT:   $ 36.000   that's ludicrous.
>
>
> Dave H..
>
> --
> From: "TimothyPilgrim" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2007 11:29 AM
> To: 
> Subject: [MBZ] Diesel SL conversion for sale
>
> > No affiliation, just ran across it.
> >
> >
> http://toronto.kijiji.ca/c-cars-vehicles-classic-cars-1981-MERCEDES-380SL-CONVERTIBLE-TURBODIESEL-ROADSTER-o-b-o-W0QQAdIdZ27479260
> >
> > Tim
> > 1982 300TD
> > 1991 300TE 4Matic
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[MBZ] changing oil.

[E M]

ok everyone, oil change time.  Time to go with the thinner stuff in the
gasser.  So, I opted for the Rotella 15/40 dino stuff.  Made some calls,
listened to the oil threads here, and went with the diesel oil as it has the
higher zinc.  We'll see how it goes.  Think of me and my car as a real work
experiment. hee hee.  Anyway, just so you know I'm one of the gang, even
without a diesel, don't mind getting my hands dirty.  I'm out there, pitch
black, -20F, rolling around on the ground draining the oil.  Yeah, no of
that easy way out, sucking it from the top stuff, I'm on the ground rolling
round.  Tools are so cold, they stick to bare flesh. lol.  Hey, want to know
what 20/50 looks like, even after driving and warming for 25 mins??  Pretty
much like the stuff you put on your pancakes in the morning, only thicker.
:-)  Just leaving it for the last to drain out now, and going to do a plug
change while waiting.  Ok, so I wimped out a little, I gapped them indoors
on my workbench.

Now that I'm on a roll, they call for the valves on the porsche to be
adjusted cold.  I wonder by cold, if they mean -20F ?

Ok, I can almost feel my fingers again, so time to head out.  I'll give you
the full report later.

Ed'
300E
356,000 kms.
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Re: [MBZ] changing oil.

[E M]

As I'm still "cleaning out the engine" and dumping the oil every 2000 kms,
M1 at $7.50 per litre is little pricey.  Once things look cleaner, I may
switch over, but the old gasser's done well on dino, making it to 356,000
kms, and probably getting the best care it's even had in it's life now, that
it's in my hands. :-)

Ed
300E

On 05/12/2007, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > Hey, want to knowwhat 20/50 looks like, even after driving and warming
> for 25 mins?? Pretty
> > much like the stuff you put on your pancakes in the morning, only
> thicker.
>
> That would be why NEARLY everyone on this list STRONGLY recommends using
> Mobil 1 SYNTHETIC oil. Take a quart of Rotella dino and a quart of the
> thickest Mobil 1 (15w-50). Put the on the porch or the freezer (which ever
> is colder) overnight and see which one pours better. THEN decide which you
> want in YOUR crankcase!
>
> Rick Knoble
> '85 300 CD
> '87 190 DT
>
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Re: [MBZ] changing oil.

[E M]

think my manual says either a 10/40 or 15/40 dino can be used pretty much
year round while getting down to down to some pretty cold temps, as long as
it doesnt' get too hot.  Here we have a big spread, going up to 40c in the
summer and down to -35 some winter nights.  Even with 20/50 and -22, it
won't spin the engine more than twice before catching.  Within 2-3 seconds,
oil pressure is at 2.5-3 bar.   We'll give it a season and see how it does.

Ed
300E

On 05/12/2007, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> E M wrote:
> > I'm out there, pitch black, -20F, rolling around on the ground draining
> > the oil.
>
> I forget what the minimum temp was in my 16v operator's manual for
> dino 15W40, but it's a positive number on the F scale. Maybe 4 degrees?
> I went out on the freeway and got the oil temp gauge almost to 80
> degrees, and then had to wait ten minutes for a train, less than
> two miles from home. Oil must have been no more than 60C when I
> drained it, but it ran out nicely. I put in 15W50 M1, figuring
> it would flow at any temp I'd want to drive the car.
> Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] Oil sludge

[E M]

What did it look like?  911s with certain brands of oils a number of years
ago, would produce "engine honey".  Just water that didn't seem to burn
off.  I remember dumping the oil in my 911 once and getting all this creamy
looking crap in the bottom of the oil tank.  I changed brands, but kept the
same weight, and never had a problem since.

Your bug sounds great!!  How long have you had it?  Maybe start it up more
often and let it get hot, all the seals will thank you.

Ed
300E


On 05/12/2007, tom savage <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I changed the oil in a '77 Super Beetle the other day.  The car has
> 5,196 documented miles on it, and the oil was last changed at a VW
> dealer 1000 miles ago in 1988.  It had been changed twice before that
> and the car sat for 15 years until recently.
>
> Imagine my surprise to find the oil screen and its cover plate covered
> in thick, thick sludge.  I can't imagine non-detergent oils were used as
> recently as '77; were they?  I guess the "stuff" fell out of solution
> during its slumber.  Does that sound like something that would actually
> happen?
>
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[MBZ] not sure now??

[E M]

I was out for lunch today, and parked beside a mint 560.  I've always loved
the 126, and the 560 is my fave.  One think I did notice, which I didn't
really notice until I parked the 124 beside it, was that the 126 does start
to look a lot older when parked next to the 124, even though I think the 560
was newer than my car.  I still love the 560, don't get me wrong, it's just
that the 124 still kind of looks modern to me, and the 126 is starting to
look more and more like a classic car.  Not saying I still don't want one.
:-)

Ed
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Re: [MBZ] not sure now??

[E M]

No, it was a Canadian spec car.

Ed
300E


>
> Did the W126 have euro headlights on it?  IMO that makes a dramatic
> difference.
>
> John
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Re: [MBZ] I'll be gone for awhile

[E M]

Wishing you a speedy recovery, and may you find the keys to that 240D you
wish for under your Christmas tree this year.  Hurry back soon!

Best regards,
Ed
300E

On 09/12/2007, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Although I'm CURRENTLY Benzless, I still lust after a perfect 240D
> manny Tranny.
>
> Right now, I'm focused on another round of surgery that will have me
> down for a few weeks.  Stomach & Gall Bladder this time...
> That being said, I will try to figure out how to become inactive
> tomorrow.
>
> I do enjoy the fellowship on this list, I'll be back.
>
> Merry CHRISTmas to all of you and your families.
>
>
> --
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> Regards,
>
> Peter T. Arnold
>
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> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Browsers.

[E M]

I started using Firefox on my Mac's and then later on PC's.  I'm currently
using it on a new machine running Vista with no problems.  I like that you
can run a pretty simple version of it, and just add on as you need or want.


As Chris said, which is true of all things, best to try a few and see what
suits you best.

Ed
300E

On 13/12/2007, Chris Lane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I have been using the Opera web browser for a long time.  It's faster than
> IE whatever, a smaller download, free, and it works well in almost every
> web
> site that I have found.
> Probably what you will have to do is download and install several browsers
> to see what you like best.
> There are some pretty unique features in Opera as well.  If I want to go
> back a page from the page I'm looking at all I have to do is right click,
> and slide the mouse to the left.  So I don't have to use the right click
> menus, although they are there, or go up to the back button.  Also there
> is
> a "speed dial" feature.  Which allows me to set commonly used web pages
> and
> click on an image of the page to go to it.  Of course I still can type in
> the address if I want, or use bookmarks.
>
> On 12/12/07, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > There is an interesting overlap between the Benz list and the Linux
> list.
> > ;-)
> >
> > On Dec 12, 2007 9:58 PM, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Well - if you like to fiddle with the stuff in/on the PC, Firefox,
> > > etc. are more fun. If you just want to use it, and can keep it patched
> > > up, use what came with it.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Stopping

[E M]

I want the site to the company that will sell me a 727. :-)

Ed
300E

On 14/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm a kid at heart (who never had a train set?) so I love trains!
>
> Often have featured buying an old passenger car and turning it into a
> stationary house.
>
> But then there's a company that'll deliver and renovate a 727 as a home
> also. They even mount it on 30' support and you can rotate it
> electrically.
>
> Oh, they're called "traction sanders" and you can buy them for buses,
> tractor-trailers and commercial trucks.
>
> > From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:40:25 -0600
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stopping
> >
> > What sort of freaked me out on the wiki -- seeing these trains go by so
> > often each day at work -- is reading that the contact point between the
> > wheels/truck and the rails is the size of a dime. That is really small
> > surface area.
> >
> > Got a job offer when I retired from the Coast Guard -- a railroad was
> > sucking up retiring USCG officers to be dispatchers [ A background of
> doing
> > Search and Rescue, or point trains in the right direction -- same
> mindset].
> > Didn't take it (insert laughter here) because the job required that I
> MOVE
> > TO IOWA (where I now live). I was living in DC when the job offer came.
> >
> > Duh!
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 13, 2007 10:26 PM, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> >
> >> "Sanders"... those were in use on buses at one time. Not sure if LD
> trucks
> >> were equipped. Seems like I remember hearing about some car that was
> >> equipped with sanders also. (Citreon?)
> >>
> >>> From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:18:10 -0600
> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ,  "M. Mitchell
> >> Marmel"
> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stopping
> >>>
> >>> Totally off-subject, I wandered into a wiki about trains today. (My
> >> office
> >>> window looks out on a set of railroad tracks 50' away, and a train
> comes
> >> by
> >>> every three minutes.)
> >>>
> >>> Modern locomotives have a nozzle that shoots sand down on the wheels
> >>> (trucks, for the railroad politically correct) to add traction when
> the
> >>> computer senses that the wheels are slipping.
> >>>
> >>> Why can't Benz come up with something like that? Better yet, why
> didn't
> >> I
> >>> invent it?
> >>>
> >>> D.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Dec 13, 2007 10:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>
>  <  braking. All four wheels working together is the safest way to slow
>  down. The extra braking force on the rear wheel will cause them to
>  lockup early.>>
> 
>  Precisely why at very low speeds on ice or shiny packed snow,
> downhill
> >> to
>  boot, with a stop sign at the bottom, the trans should be in neutral
> so
>  the rear
>  wheels aren't pushing. BT,DT.
> 
>  RLE
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Stopping

[E M]

Thanks Larry, it looks pretty cool!

Ed
300E

On 14/12/2007, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Here's one of the B727 homes you talked about.  Pretty cool!
> http://www.airplanehome.com/
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 11:48 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stopping
>
>
> > I'm a kid at heart (who never had a train set?) so I love trains!
> >
> > Often have featured buying an old passenger car and turning it into a
> > stationary house.
> >
> > But then there's a company that'll deliver and renovate a 727 as a home
> > also. They even mount it on 30' support and you can rotate it
> > electrically.
> >
> > Oh, they're called "traction sanders" and you can buy them for buses,
> > tractor-trailers and commercial trucks.
> >
> >> From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:40:25 -0600
> >> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stopping
> >>
> >> What sort of freaked me out on the wiki -- seeing these trains go by so
> >> often each day at work -- is reading that the contact point between the
> >> wheels/truck and the rails is the size of a dime. That is really small
> >> surface area.
> >>
> >> Got a job offer when I retired from the Coast Guard -- a railroad was
> >> sucking up retiring USCG officers to be dispatchers [ A background of
> >> doing
> >> Search and Rescue, or point trains in the right direction -- same
> >> mindset].
> >> Didn't take it (insert laughter here) because the job required that I
> >> MOVE
> >> TO IOWA (where I now live). I was living in DC when the job offer came.
> >>
> >> Duh!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Dec 13, 2007 10:26 PM, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Sanders"... those were in use on buses at one time. Not sure if LD
> >>> trucks
> >>> were equipped. Seems like I remember hearing about some car that was
> >>> equipped with sanders also. (Citreon?)
> >>>
>  From: "Wonko the Sane" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
>  Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 22:18:10 -0600
>  To: "Mercedes Discussion List" ,  "M. Mitchell
> >>> Marmel"
>  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>  Subject: Re: [MBZ] Stopping
> 
>  Totally off-subject, I wandered into a wiki about trains today. (My
> >>> office
>  window looks out on a set of railroad tracks 50' away, and a train
>  comes
> >>> by
>  every three minutes.)
> 
>  Modern locomotives have a nozzle that shoots sand down on the wheels
>  (trucks, for the railroad politically correct) to add traction when
> the
>  computer senses that the wheels are slipping.
> 
>  Why can't Benz come up with something like that? Better yet, why
> didn't
> >>> I
>  invent it?
> 
>  D.
> 
> 
>  On Dec 13, 2007 10:12 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > < > braking. All four wheels working together is the safest way to slow
> > down. The extra braking force on the rear wheel will cause them to
> > lockup early.>>
> >
> > Precisely why at very low speeds on ice or shiny packed snow,
> downhill
> >>> to
> > boot, with a stop sign at the bottom, the trans should be in neutral
> > so
> > the rear
> > wheels aren't pushing. BT,DT.
> >
> > RLE
> >
> >
> > **
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Re: [MBZ] PCA's look at new oil formulations

[E M]

Good post, thanks.  I must make a decision this Spring as to what to run in
the old 911 as my stock of "old formula" 20W/50 was used up with my last oil
change.  I'm leaning towards the Rotella T.

Ed
300E
911SC
other stuff.

On 15/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> PORSCHE MOTOR OIL UPDATE/reference figures not included
>
> Allan Caldwell, Panorama Technical Editor
>
>
>
> Back in March, 2007, we assembled a short summary of motor oils that
> discussed current approved oil types and brands for both old and new
> Porsches (Reference 1). One of the major issues that has arisen in the
> past
> three years for intermediate and older Porsche models are changes in the
> additives in the newest multiviscosity oils that have been made to reduce
> adverse effects on catalytic converters that are expensive to replace in
> later models. Unfortunately, for Porsche owners of air-cooled engines that
> still require catalytic converters, the cost of a new converter is small
> compared to rebuilding a 911 engine and some of the oil additive changes
> may
> have been the cause of recently found premature wear in camshafts and
> valve
> lifters on earlier engines. The purpose of this article is to explore some
> of the currently known requirements and options.
>
>
>
> Motor Oil Classifications
>
> Oil additive ingredients are not normally listed on oil containers, but
> usually can be partially identified by the "API" (American Petroleum
> Institute) circular symbol on the outside of the oil container which lists
> the specification type for the oil. Figure 1 shows a recent API label on a
> Mobil 1 0W-40 engine oil container supplied by the Porsche factory with a
> 997. The same sort of label is on US motor oil containers for both
> synthetic
> and mineral oils. The API label indicates the oil viscosity along with
> formulation codes. The initial formulation code is either "S" for gasoline
> engines or "C" for diesel engines. A second sequential alphabetical
> letter,
> such as "SM," indicates that the oil meets a specific M specification.
> Some
> of the diesel oils have an additional numerical classification added on to
> the alphabetical indicator, as in the newest diesel oils that are
> designated, "CJ-4." The specifications are updated from time to time as
> both
> the government and manufacturer requirements change. Sometimes the
> container
> symbol will list more than one specification code that the oil meets. At
> the
> time we published Reference 1, the data and recommendations were based on
> Porsche's oil recommendations along with some back-up by independent oil
> analysis tests reported on the Reference 2 web site, which is primarily
> devoted to air-cooled engines. A major concern among Porsche owners of
> older
> models with air-cooled engines as well as engine rebuilders of air-cooled
> engines has been the reduction in the Zinc and Phosphate additives called
> ZDP or ZDDP (zinc diakyl dithiosphosphate) in the newer oil formulations.
> These Zinc and Phosphate compounds in the past have been instrumental in
> reducing wear on valve train components such as cam lobes and valve
> lifters
> (especially on two-valve air-cooled engines).
>
>
>
> Porsche Approved Oils
>
> In April, 2007, Porsche published an updated yearly list of approved oils
> in
> a Tech Bulletin (Reference 3) that applies to all Porsche vehicles except
> the V6 Cayenne. Porsche currently lists over 100 different brands and
> types
> that include Canada, USA and World-Wide, about half of which are available
> in the USA. Porsche emphasizes that the approved oils are now limited to
> non-seasonal, light-running synthetic oils applicable to model years "As
> of
> 1984." The majority of the approved oil viscosities are 5W-40 with a few
> at
> 0W-40, including the Mobil 1 currently used in all the new production
> Porsches. It is worth noting here that the 0W-40 viscosity was originally
> started in the 2002/3 time period partially as an aid to eliminating cold
> start hydraulic valve lifter noise that had developed in some of the 996s
> and Boxsters. The first 996 and Boxsters had used 10W-40, 15W-40 or
> 15W-50.
> On this new list, there is also one Mobil 1 5W-50 also included in the
> list,
> which is the only 5W-50 listed. Some of the common currently approved
> brands
> indicated in the U.S. include BP, Castrol, ChevronTexaco, Conoco Philips,
> ExxonMobil, Pennzoil-Quaker State, Motul and Shell. Unfortunately, this
> latest Porsche tech bulletin does not address the issue of API spec codes
> in
> any of the oils, but none of their previous approved lists have, either.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Critical Oil Additives
>
> The issue of required oil additives (in either synthetic or mineral motor
> oils) has become important in air-cooled Porsche engines with two valves
> per
> cylinder that are now 10 to 30 years old that may have more stringent
> lubrication requirements on camshafts, cam lobes and lifters, particularly
> when go

[MBZ] 500 SEC ??

[E M]

Hi Gang,

I have a bunch of questions I'll just fire off, and hopefully, some of you
can help out a bit.  The fella I bought the 300E off has an old '84 500SEC
kicking around.  I've known this guy for years, and he used the SEC for
daily transport up until a few years ago.  It now sits idle along side his
old Porsche Cup car.  I've read the 500 is a little peppier than the later
560's, and gives a little more feel too.  So, here's the thing.  The car has
sat semi covered for a few years.  It will need a brake job for sure, all
fluids changed, etc.  He tells me it has low mileage, but he didn't say
exactly what.  His offer of the car was all in passing and we didn't get
into details.  The car is pretty sound, in that it has no or very little
rust.  What are the lists thoughts?  I know all cars prefer to be used to
sitting, but is this car worth sorting out and bringing back?  It would be a
car I would keep for some time if I did, so I'm not too worried about
putting "reasonable" money into it to sorting it out.

So a few questions.

Are the brake calipers the same on the 500SEC as they are on the W126 300,
420, and 560SEL's ?  Also, would the factory wheels used on the later 560SEC
fit onto the 500 with proper offset, or did they change the hub design?  The
car currently has aftermarket rims, but I'd like to return the wheels to a
more stock look.  It also has the recessed headlights, without the wipers.
I'd like to upgrade those to the Euro flush ones.  I've also heard about
chain stretch problems with the earlier 500's?  Any thoughts?

Any pointers as to what to check or look for, much appreciated.

Thanks in advance.
Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

Wonder if that deal is good in Canada too?  Must ask the next time I'm at
the dealer.

Ed
300E

On 17/12/2007, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That makes the Free for Life service MB provides particularity helpful!
> They'll bring out a couple of gallons of diesel, change a flat tire, jump
> start and tow the car if needed - all for free - to any MB owner -
> original
> buyer or not.  That's a pretty good commitment to service.   I know, if it
> needs to be towed they will probably only take it to the nearest dealer,
> but
> at least they don;t leave you in the middle of nowhere in the middle of
> the
> night -
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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> - Original Message -
> From: "Timothy Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 12:10 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
>
>
> >I discovered the local providers for AAA emergency roadside service DO
> NOT
> > LIKE DIESELS! Flatly was told on the phone, "We can provide gasoline but
> > do
> > not deliver diesel." They're also hesitant to answer a call in jumping a
> > diesel.
> >
> > I can kinda understand as I remember those early 80s 5.7 GM "diesels"
> kept
> > them busy with service calls.
> >
> >> From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 12:05:29 -0500
> >> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >>
> >> I think they would have given you the jump-I have called twice for
> 240D.
> >> Once I canceled as the campus police jumped me in the meantime. They
> sent
> >> an
> >> ML 320 full of batteries to sell if jump failed.  If they can't fix
> they
> >> try
> >> to get you towed to their stealer base. Probably would have charged a
> tow
> >> for the strap.  Where's your closest stealer up there on the frontier?
> >> Kind of neat.  I call them over AAA just because of the service, esp.
> on
> >> an
> >> old diesel.
> >> Dwight
> >>
> >> Bissell Cove Quahog & Auto Salvage Co
> >> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> >> Wickford RI 02852
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >> On Behalf Of Curt Raymond
> >> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 11:52 AM
> >> To: Diesel List
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >>
> >>
> >> Hmm, I wonder if they'd have given mine the strap?
> >>
> >> I got an appointment with the Indy as soon as I can get the car that.
> >> Blasted work, he could have the thing done today if I could get it to
> >> him!
> >>
> >> -Curt
> >>
> >> Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 09:16:22 -0600
> >> From: Rich Thomas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
> >>
> >> So the boy's car wouldn't start, diagnosed battery problem from afar.
> >> Told him to call 800mercedes, the guy shows up, gives him a jump,
> >> twiddles with the cables and tightens them, all is right with the
> >> world!  No charge, only a sig required..  This being an 84, 6 months
> >> older than the boy.  You gotta love MB.  (Also a learning experience!)
> >>
> >> --R
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

Wonder if they'll tow it home for similar money to a regular tow truck guy?
I've seen a few on their way to the dealer and like the idea of a flatbed.
I like better the idea of never needing a tow, as I've only needed a tow
twice in 25 years.  Blown air box in a porsche, and a broke timing belt.
They weren't patch at the side of the road and limp it home problems. :-)

Ed
300E

On 17/12/2007, Kaleb C. Striplin, work <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Well, they will tow it to the nearest dealer and you will then pay, I do
> know that.  The tow is not free
>
> ---
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> Cox Auto Trader
> 730-Tulsa FSBO Supervisor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Dwight E. Giles, Jr" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "'Mercedes Discussion List'" 
> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
>
>
> > Larry,
> > I know you are a fact checker, but are you sure about the tow?
> > Dwight
> >
> > Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles.
> > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE)
> > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles
> > Wickford, RI
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > On Behalf Of LarryT
> > Sent: Monday, December 17, 2007 5:52 PM
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >
> > That makes the Free for Life service MB provides particularity helpful!
> > They'll bring out a couple of gallons of diesel, change a flat tire,
> jump
> > start and tow the car if needed - all for free - to any MB owner -
> > original
> > buyer or not.  That's a pretty good commitment to service.   I know, if
> it
> > needs to be towed they will probably only take it to the nearest dealer,
> > but
> >
> > at least they don;t leave you in the middle of nowhere in the middle of
> > the
> > night -
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

I think John Lennon tooting about NY in a 123, didn't hurt wagon sales much
either. :-)  I think the car was made to haul Marshall amps in myself. hee
hee

Ed
300E

On 18/12/2007, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Perhaps it was that JR Ewing drove one on "Dallas?"
>
>
>
> Of course, Jock also drove a big ole Lincoln and so did Ray Crebbs wife
> Donna. But, you are right. I wanted a Mercedes when I saw JR had one.
> JR was the bad guy, but I always liked JR.
>
>
>
> Now, when Sue Ellen went from the big Ford Country Squire Wagon to a 123
> Diesel Wagon, soccer moms nationwide wanted a MB wagon.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

My Dad always had Town Cars and T Birds, back in the 70s and 80's and then
got a new 450 SEL.  He said the thing drove like a park bench, and soon it
was gone.  Replaced with another Ford.  I fell in love with the S though,
and it always kind of stayed with me. :-)  I guess some like to pretend
they're in their living rooms when going down the road, others like to
pretend they're in the park. :-)

Ed
300E

On 18/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'll never forget about 1978 I had to pick up a German couple at the
> airport. I was driving a Lincoln TownCar, the last year of the 460 cu in
> V8.
>
> They remarked about how nice the American cars were, how much more "plush"
> were the interiors than the German autos.
>
> That's something I remember. Sorry, but the Lincoln was a POS and six
> months
> after purchase and 48 miles out of warranty (12K mile warranties at the
> time) when the transmission gave trouble I dumped it vowing never again to
> buy an American vehicle.
>
> The "status of Mercedes Benz" later became popular (Perhaps it was that JR
> Ewing drove one on "Dallas?"). Still, I remember first impression that the
> Germans car (interiors) seemed rather spartan compared to the "frufru of
> velour" on the American sedans.
>
>
> > From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:14:12 -0500
> > To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >
> >
> >
> > Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> >> Roadside assistance, yeah dream on unless you buy a new MB or pay a
> >> squillion bucks a year.
> >
> > Back in the day, our cars cost as much in $US as the German models
> > (with fewer standard features) cost in Deutchmarks.
> > For example, my 1979 300SD was a $27,000 car, my 1986 2.3-16 was a
> > $35,000 car. I like to think that our exorbitant prices at the time
> > earned us more standard features and special services like free
> > roadside assistance, as well as substandard horsepower. (my 2.3-16
> > was rated at 167HP, not 185PS)
> >
> > How much did the cars cost over there 20-30 years ago?
> >
> > Speaking of car prices, what would it cost to import a used German
> > car from UK to AU? The lovely S124 300TE that they destroyed on BBC's
> > Top Gear was purchased from a used car dealer for 795 Sterling
> > if I recall correctly, at a time when it equaled about $1200 US.
> > (now 800 Sterling = 1600 US, but a 124 gasser wagon is probably
> > worth 500-600 Sterling now)
> >
> >> the average yank can't even
> >> remember that their car runs on fuel and needs this replenished at
> >> regular intervals? One day they'll forget to fill the space shuttle.
> >
> > That would be one way to keep it from exploding.
> >
> > Mitch.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love John Lennons S123 MB

[E M]

I'm not sure if he even knew how to drive to be honest.  I did see the car
at auction, and at that time, about 5 years ago, I think it had a $100,000
reserve or something.  I think it had some restoration work, like paint
since lennon owned it too, if I remember.

Ed
300E

On 19/12/2007, Hendrik & Fay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> He never drove it himself and it scared the crap out of
> Yoko..good.
> Also I think it was the first Diesel S123 in the States.
> Was on the market a few years back but haven't heard much about it
> lately, from what i remember it was going pretty cheap too, considering
> how much people are spending on collectible stuff.
>
> E M wrote:
> > I think John Lennon tooting about NY in a 123, didn't hurt wagon sales
> much
> > either. :-)  I think the car was made to haul Marshall amps in myself.
> hee
> > hee
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

I have an old '83 Ford wagon, which now just has 57,000 kms on it, Bought it
when I thought I was getting another large dog a few years ago.  The dog
didn't happen, but that's another story.  Whenever I take Mum for a coffee,
she always tells me she prefers the wagon and it's "comfortable" seats to
the benz.  lol.  Had a guy stop me once with the exact same car, colour and
all.  He had 600,000 miles on his, and wanted to know if I'd sell mine for
parts, he needed a new carb for his.  ha ha ha.

Ed
300E, and some other stuff.

On 19/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Living Room!!!   When I first considered "dumping" the '78 Lincoln lemon,
> (6
> mos depreciation bite) I'll never forget some "hotdog salesman" trying to
> convince me to buy some little sporty Datsun 280ZX by looking at the black
> Lincoln and saying, "..this boat is like riding around in your living
> room!"
> I thought a minute and replied, "You know, I'm on the road a lot. I don't
> get home often. Maybe some people LIKE to ride around in their living
> rooms!"
>
> > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 23:44:47 -0400
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >
> > My Dad always had Town Cars and T Birds, back in the 70s and 80's and
> then
> > got a new 450 SEL.  He said the thing drove like a park bench, and soon
> it
> > was gone.  Replaced with another Ford.  I fell in love with the S
> though,
> > and it always kind of stayed with me. :-)  I guess some like to pretend
> > they're in their living rooms when going down the road, others like to
> > pretend they're in the park. :-)
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 18/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'll never forget about 1978 I had to pick up a German couple at the
> >> airport. I was driving a Lincoln TownCar, the last year of the 460 cu
> in
> >> V8.
> >>
> >> They remarked about how nice the American cars were, how much more
> "plush"
> >> were the interiors than the German autos.
> >>
> >> That's something I remember. Sorry, but the Lincoln was a POS and six
> >> months
> >> after purchase and 48 miles out of warranty (12K mile warranties at the
> >> time) when the transmission gave trouble I dumped it vowing never again
> to
> >> buy an American vehicle.
> >>
> >> The "status of Mercedes Benz" later became popular (Perhaps it was that
> JR
> >> Ewing drove one on "Dallas?"). Still, I remember first impression that
> the
> >> Germans car (interiors) seemed rather spartan compared to the "frufru
> of
> >> velour" on the American sedans.
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 19:14:12 -0500
> >>> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hendrik & Fay wrote:
> >>>> Roadside assistance, yeah dream on unless you buy a new MB or pay a
> >>>> squillion bucks a year.
> >>>
> >>> Back in the day, our cars cost as much in $US as the German models
> >>> (with fewer standard features) cost in Deutchmarks.
> >>> For example, my 1979 300SD was a $27,000 car, my 1986 2.3-16 was a
> >>> $35,000 car. I like to think that our exorbitant prices at the time
> >>> earned us more standard features and special services like free
> >>> roadside assistance, as well as substandard horsepower. (my 2.3-16
> >>> was rated at 167HP, not 185PS)
> >>>
> >>> How much did the cars cost over there 20-30 years ago?
> >>>
> >>> Speaking of car prices, what would it cost to import a used German
> >>> car from UK to AU? The lovely S124 300TE that they destroyed on BBC's
> >>> Top Gear was purchased from a used car dealer for 795 Sterling
> >>> if I recall correctly, at a time when it equaled about $1200 US.
> >>> (now 800 Sterling = 1600 US, but a 124 gasser wagon is probably
> >>> worth 500-600 Sterling now)
> >>>
> >>>> the average yank can't even
> >>>> remember that their car runs on fuel and needs this repl

Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

When I do take the cars in for service, and leave them on the lot, I tape a
large note right on the steering wheel, "DON'T adjust the seats, or move the
mirrors"  They don't have to move the seat, they're only driving 50 feet
from the lot to the service bay.

Ed
300E

On 19/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Something quite true about that. I remember brochures from 30-40 years ago
> explaining how MB seats were designed to support good posture and allow
> the
> driver control of the vehicle. Meanwhile, some of us are riding around
> slouching in with our 6 way power seats which recline like Lazyboys.
>
> I'm not knocking power seats (and of course now it's a "must have" to
> compete in the American market) but geez, I buy a car (used or new) and I
> adjust it once?
>
> Perhaps there are those like my dear brother who's somewhat obese and has
> to
> hit that little button to give enough space to manuever himself out of the
> driver's seat. I keep thinking it'd be more beneficial to walk 100 yards
> to
> his mailbox rather than drive?
>
>
> > From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2007 22:21:00 -0600
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB
> >
> > Ok Don wrote: "The American cars are built for tooling around town, the
> > German cars are meant for traveling in all day, and not being sore and
> > tired when you arrive."
> >
> >
> >
> > That sounds like a pretty good analysis.  Big Buicks/Cadillacs sure are
> > comfortable for short trips. But, after several hours most are sore.  I
> > wasn't sure this was true until I drove my 126 for 14 hours and felt
> > fine when I got out of the car.  Of course, that was a 126 - the best
> > MB's built for long driving IMHO.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Donald H. Snook
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Gotta love MB

[E M]

I have a friend with a Honda Civic, and I have to be careful not to hit her
in the forehead with my elbow when she walks by me.  I can back her car out
of the driveway without touching the seat.  My knees touch my chin as she
likes the seat pulled WAY forward.  It's a stick too. For the distance these
guys are driving, they can leave the seat all way forwarded, even if they're
a over 6'.

Ed
300E

On 19/12/2007, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> E M wrote:
> > When I do take the cars in for service, and leave them on the lot, I
> tape a
> > large note right on the steering wheel, "DON'T adjust the seats, or move
> the
> > mirrors"  They don't have to move the seat, they're only driving 50
> feet
> > from the lot to the service bay.
>
> That doesn't work too well with me  I'm shorter than most of the
> mechanics out there at 5'7.  So if I want them to drive it at all they
> have to move it.  It does kind of irk me when they leave it so far back
> I can't touch the pedals though.  At least bring it a little closer!!
>
> John
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories

[E M]

For road drivers, I think the whole reaction time thing by two footing it is
pointless.  I don't know anyone that concentrates, all the time, to the
point where two footing it would make a difference on the road, in the real
world.  If you really need that kind of reaction time, you would be better
serviced by trying to think ahead more, and a little more distance between
you and the other stuff around you on the road.   Only time I've two footed
it, was not  for reaction time, but to  help transfer weight  a little to
the front and increasing contact patch, or, if you have a turbo car with big
lag and you're trying to set the front end to turn in, and you want to keep
the revs up at the same time.  Again, neither of these things have any
business on the road, as to use them means you're pushing just way to hard.
It's not the reaction time of the feet that catches most ppl out, it's the
reaction time of the head that does.  You quickly get to a point where you
can think way faster than a car can react or do what you want, so best
thing, is to try and "think" way ahead and do your best to see stuff before
it happens.

These are just my thoughts, but they've allowed me to travel pretty quick
most of my driving years and stay out of trouble for the most part.

Ed
300E

On 21/12/2007, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> IIRC-the evidence I saw years ago was to the contrary and advised against
> two foot braking.  Any source on reaction times?
> Thanks,
> Dwight
>
> Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles.
> 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE)
> 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles
> Wickford, RI
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 AM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
>
> I disagree stongly.  Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet.
>
> Pete
>
> -- Original message --
> From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > "archer" writes:
> >
> > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic
> > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the
> > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with one
> > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined.
> >
> > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage the
> > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then
> > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching
> > the brake.
> >
> > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind the
> > wheel of a car.
> >
> > --
> > 1983 300D
> > 1966 230
> >
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Re: [MBZ] I'm In Love was Re: Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories

[E M]

I think we need to hook Sabina up for a date with this guy, Stefan (sp),
driving my all time fave car. :-)  Seems a match made in heaven. lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Thomd4BQg

Ed
300E

On 21/12/2007, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dcw7MqsGbE
>
> Yeah. I'm in love
>
> Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories

[E M]

By Spring, you and the 300TD will be ready for the race track. lol.

Ed
300E

On 21/12/2007, andrew strasfogel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I'm learning to two-foot.  Because the '83 300TD idles too slow when I
> start
> it up on a cold morning, I neeed to keep up the revs when braking to keep
> the car from stalling, until it reaches operating temperature.
> 1983 300TD
> On Dec 21, 2007 11:29 AM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > For road drivers, I think the whole reaction time thing by two footing
> it
> > is
> > pointless.  I don't know anyone that concentrates, all the time, to the
> > point where two footing it would make a difference on the road, in the
> > real
> > world.  If you really need that kind of reaction time, you would be
> better
> > serviced by trying to think ahead more, and a little more distance
> between
> > you and the other stuff around you on the road.   Only time I've two
> > footed
> > it, was not  for reaction time, but to  help transfer weight  a little
> to
> > the front and increasing contact patch, or, if you have a turbo car with
> > big
> > lag and you're trying to set the front end to turn in, and you want to
> > keep
> > the revs up at the same time.  Again, neither of these things have any
> > business on the road, as to use them means you're pushing just way to
> > hard.
> > It's not the reaction time of the feet that catches most ppl out, it's
> the
> > reaction time of the head that does.  You quickly get to a point where
> you
> > can think way faster than a car can react or do what you want, so best
> > thing, is to try and "think" way ahead and do your best to see stuff
> > before
> > it happens.
> >
> > These are just my thoughts, but they've allowed me to travel pretty
> quick
> > most of my driving years and stay out of trouble for the most part.
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 21/12/2007, Dwight E. Giles, Jr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > IIRC-the evidence I saw years ago was to the contrary and advised
> > against
> > > two foot braking.  Any source on reaction times?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Dwight
> > >
> > > Dwight E. Giles, Jr.
> > > 1978 240D 4 speed. 215K miles.
> > > 1979 240D- auto -250K + miles (FOR SALE)
> > > 1990 300D 2.5t 150K miles
> > > Wickford, RI
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:42 AM
> > > To: Mercedes Discussion List
> > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories
> > >
> > > I disagree stongly.  Your reaction times are much faster using 2 feet.
> > >
> > > Pete
> > >
> > > -- Original message --
> > > From: Allan Streib <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >
> > > > "archer" writes:
> > > >
> > > > > It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic
> > > > > nowadays, the brake should be operated by the left foot and the
> > > > > accellerator by the right foot. Trying to both stop and go with
> one
> > > > > foot is what confuses people who aren't mechanically inclined.
> > > >
> > > > Using one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage
> the
> > > > brake. If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be, then
> > > > people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be punching
> > > > the brake.
> > > >
> > > > If you can't stop and go with one foot you have no business behind
> the
> > > > wheel of a car.
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > 1966 230
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Opinions pls on 300E

[E M]

I've had an '88 now for about 6 months.  I'd say, pull a few plugs and make
sure they look nice, without any funny signs.  Check for nice gear changes,
both around town and when you put your boot in it.  Make sure it tracks as
it should around corners.  I had the rear end rebuilt on mine as soon as I
got it.  Not a big deal, but some labour getting to all the bits.  Check for
rust around the jack points.  Have a look at the fluids, make sure they are
as they should be.  I have 337,000 kms on mine, and it still looks and
drives great.  If you can get some records to back up the mileage, that
would be nice too.

Good luck, I think you'll enjoy it.

Ed
300E

On 21/12/2007, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Considering this Benz for my kids here in Hawaii.. and my use
> while I'm here.
>
> Opinions and stuff to look for..  Please
>
> http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/car/515626191.html
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chuck
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Re: [MBZ] I'm In Love was Re: Harrowing and or Hilarious drivingstories

[E M]

Don't be so sure, this video was put together as a demo and to show what can
be done with the old 911 platform.  This guy is very fast.  Gotta remember,
these aren't race conditions where they're going for the fastest lap.  When
once asked why he drove like that, as it is clearly not the fastest way
around a track, his reply was, "You're not trying to make a baby every time
you have sex, are you"?  :-)

Ed
300E


On 21/12/2007, Rick Knoble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >I think we need to hook Sabina up for a date with this guy, Stefan (sp),
> > driving my all time fave car. :-)  Seems a match made in heaven. lol
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6Thomd4BQg
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
>
> The car is definitely quick and fast, but the dude driving it is not
> particularly smooth or consistent. Sabina in the same car would've lapped
> him in the 8 and a half minutes it took him to get around the track.
>
> Rick Knoble
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Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum

[E M]

I saw the Dyson's on TV here, the day before they hit the shelves.  Ran to
the store to get one.  Seemed enough at almost $600 at the time, but I'm a
clean freak, so hey, why not.  Then saw it was made in China, I turned
around and walked out.

Ed
300E

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>
> Some newer vacs are healthier because they have replaceable HEPA filters.
>
> I've heard how the Dyson vacuums clean up pet hair quite well, and they
> also
> don't spew the smelly exhaust out into the room as you're vacuuming!  When
> we were living in an apartment for a few months between houses this
> summer,
> the pet hair in such close quarters with no air circulation was too much
> for
> Wifey, so we decided to get a Dyson.  It did do a good job with the pet
> hair, the hepa filtered exhaust was wonderful, and it was much easier to
> maneuver.  Will it last 10-15-20 years?  I guess time will tell.
>
> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> 1983 300sD 266Kmi, Ursula
>
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Re: [MBZ] Toyota

[E M]

Some of the CIS cars have much higher fuel pressure, near 100 PSI in the
line.  Gas is very stable, but once atomized, or mixed with enough oxygen,
it goes up easy, but pretty anything will do the same.  Dust in a silo is a
good example.  Even some metal shaving will burn pretty nice.

Ed
300E

On 21/12/2007, Scott Ritchey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> As far as I know, all current fuel injected gas cars have a pressurized
> fuel
> line (maybe 20 psi) from the tank to the fuel injector rail.  There is an
> impact switch that's supposed to shut down the in-tank fuel pump in case
> of
> a collision.  But if this doesn't work, a break in the fuel line could
> produce a prolonged spray of atomized gasoline.  I don't know if Corolla
> is
> any worse than any other small car in this regard. But this must be rare
> or
> we'd see a lot more flaming cars.
>
> The thing I find interesting is that folks think hydrocarbon refrigerants
> are too dangerous for cars while this kind of potential problem with gas
> seems to be OK.  My new LPG fireplace was defective and literally exploded
> when the technician first cane to "start it up".  I was literally inside
> the
> fireball (I saw orange in all directions) but injuries were limited to
> lost
> hair and some second degree burns from a flimsy plastic drop cloth, which
> instantly liquefied and was carried by the blast.  So the bottom line of
> my
> experience is that propane doesn't seem all that dangerous compared to
> gasoline.
>
> Scott Ritchey
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of Loren Faeth
> Sent: Friday, December 21, 2007 10:17
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Toyota
>
> I would not buy a corolla for my kid, ever!  The girl who was burned
> so badly that it took over a week to identfy her had a minor accident
> in a new toyota,  Apparently the fuel pump kept pumping gasoline into
> what should have been a minor fire in the engine compartment, turning
> the tin can into an oven.  I posted about this about a year ago.  The
> girl was a friend of my daughter's.  4 years ago my daughter was
> t-boned by an idiot. She was driving her 380SL and walked away from a
> more serious accident.
>
>
>
> At 07:58 PM 12/20/2007, you wrote:
> >The Corolla is just the thing for a girl's first car and there are plenty
> of
> > > them on the used market. Of course, when one buys with price as the
> only
> > > factor, sacrifices must be made. Do you reacll the old quote
> > about knowing the
> > > price of everything and the value of nothing?
> > >
> > > RLE
>
> Loren Faeth
>
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Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum

[E M]

I have an old Electrolux too, from the early 60's.  Thing is built like an
old Benz. lol.  I have a box of all kinds of old attachments for it,
including one to vacuum the dog.  It's semi-retired now and used to vacuum
the cars.

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Still an Electrolux guy here. I have a 1976 model upstairs and a 1984
> model
> downstairs. Still have my grandparents' '50s model which is a chrome thing
> on skids. It came with turbo/air powered buffing attachments for the paste
> wax we used on the hardwood floors.
>
> Honestly, for the price of replacing with a new I'd just put a central
> unit
> in which exhausts to the outside. Then I could vacume the cat without
> scaring it.
>
> > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:57:35 -0500
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum
> >
> > I saw the Dyson's on TV here, the day before they hit the shelves.  Ran
> to
> > the store to get one.  Seemed enough at almost $600 at the time, but I'm
> a
> > clean freak, so hey, why not.  Then saw it was made in China, I turned
> > around and walked out.
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 21/12/2007, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Some newer vacs are healthier because they have replaceable HEPA
> filters.
> >>
> >> I've heard how the Dyson vacuums clean up pet hair quite well, and they
> >> also
> >> don't spew the smelly exhaust out into the room as you're
> vacuuming!  When
> >> we were living in an apartment for a few months between houses this
> >> summer,
> >> the pet hair in such close quarters with no air circulation was too
> much
> >> for
> >> Wifey, so we decided to get a Dyson.  It did do a good job with the pet
> >> hair, the hepa filtered exhaust was wonderful, and it was much easier
> to
> >> maneuver.  Will it last 10-15-20 years?  I guess time will tell.
> >>
> >> Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
> >> 1983 300sD 266Kmi, Ursula
> >>
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and/OT: now left foot brakers

[E M]

Chuck,

Once you get heel and toe down, you'll wonder how you ever drove a stick
without using it.  Go into a corner and get it all just right, and it gives
a smile no paddle shift system ever will.  If you want to be one with your
car, and get the most out of it, heel and toe. :-)

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>   I hate the idea of left foot braking  with a passion
>
> Hey Jim.
> Does this mean we can't get together for lunch sometime.
> 'Cuz I regularly left foot brake  And on occasion am trying
> to learn "heel and toe" braking technique  on the 5 spd 16V
>
> Be back in Phoenix mid January..
>
> Will give you a call then..
>
> Chuck
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > End Rant!
> >
> > Jim  Friesen
> > Phoenix AZ
> > 79 300SD, 264 K miles
> > 98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and or Hilarious driving stories

[E M]

If having to decide what pedal to push confuses anyway, just park it and
take the bus.

Ed
300E

On 21/12/2007, archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> From: "Zoltan Finks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > As much as women vehemently insist on enjoying the status as drivers
> > equal-to or better-than than men, it just ain't true. Most would benefit
> > hugely from a very basic understanding of the vehicle and its dynamics.
> In
> > addition, I just don't think it's inborn to a woman to control moving
> > machinery.snip
> --
> I think the problem is the backwardness of the auto industry.  As soon as
> automatic transmissions were invented, the auto manufacturers should have
> moved the brake pedal to the left side of the steering column; leaving
> only
> the accellerator on the right side.
>
> It's only logical that with nearly all cars being automatic nowadays, the
> brake should be operated by the left foot and the accellerator by the
> right
> foot.  Trying to both stop and go with one foot is what confuses people
> who
> aren't mechanically inclined.
> Even if a person got confused, all they would have to do is push hard on
> both pedals and the car would not go very far, very fast.
> Gerry
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and/OT: now left foot brakers

[E M]

Anytime you have to downshift is the right venue.  If you don't do it,
you're only doing half your job and not matching engine speed to trans and
road speed.

Ed
300E
911SC

On 22/12/2007, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Absolutely, a  wonderful skill when used in the right venue.
>
> Not something useful in rush hour traffic.
>
> The famed Jimmy Clark always had a car w/automatic for city use.
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter T. Arnold
>
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> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> is!On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:16:08 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Chuck,
> >
> >Once you get heel and toe down, you'll wonder how you ever drove a stick
> >without using it.  Go into a corner and get it all just right, and it
> gives
> >a smile no paddle shift system ever will.  If you want to be one with
> your
> >car, and get the most out of it, heel and toe. :-)
> >
> >Ed
> >300E
> >
> >On 22/12/2007, Chuck Landenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >>   I hate the idea of left foot braking  with a passion
> >>
> >> Hey Jim.
> >> Does this mean we can't get together for lunch sometime.
> >> 'Cuz I regularly left foot brake  And on occasion am trying
> >> to learn "heel and toe" braking technique  on the 5 spd 16V
> >>
> >> Be back in Phoenix mid January..
> >>
> >> Will give you a call then..
> >>
> >> Chuck
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > End Rant!
> >> >
> >> > Jim  Friesen
> >> > Phoenix AZ
> >> > 79 300SD, 264 K miles
> >> > 98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > **See AOL's top rated recipes
> >> > (http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop000304)
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and/OT: now left foot brakers

[E M]

If you're putting your trust in your reaction time by left braking alone,
you're already off the road and in the ditch.  Think ahead and start
reacting before you "need" to.

I'd even dare to say, brake pressure if more important that that first
reaction time.  You can get on the brakes as fast as you like, most (non
ABS) drivers never use anywhere near their brakes full potential.  It's
something ppl should do from time to time in a safe controlled area, just to
refresh themselves as to how fast they can stop their cars, should they have
to.

The bottom line is this, if you find yourself needing to reach for the
brakes often, in such a rushed manor, you have to take a look at how your
driving and why it is you're getting yourself into these situations in the
first place.

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> This is getting silly.
> Nobody ever suggested that you "Rest" your left foot on the brake
> pedal.  You pulled that out of the air.
> Drive with 2 feet, your choice.
> Choose to follow me and I have better reaction times because I often
> brake with my left foot, the choice of lawyers will be mine.
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter T. Arnold
>
> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> is!
>
>
>
>   On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:18:09 EST, you wrote:
>
> >
> >In a message dated 12/21/2007 8:21:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >
> >Using  one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you engage  the
> >brake.  If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be,  then
> >people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be  punching
> >the brake.
> >
> >If you can't stop and go with one foot you have  no business behind the
> >wheel of a car.
> >
> >
> >
> >Thank you "strieb"!I hate the idea of left foot braking  with a
> passion!
> >
> >Consider a dozen cars moving down the freeway at about the
> same  speed.  The
> >car showing it's brake lights, for no good  reason, is probably driven by
> a
> >left foot braker.   They  sneeze, the brakes come on, the phone rings,
> the
> >brakes come on, they change  lanes, the brakes come on, they tailgate
> closer than
> >anyone else, the brakes  come on!
> >
> >Brake lights are necessary to warn of an impending speed change.
> Resting
> >your left foot on the brake pedal invariably results in an
> excess  display of
> >brake lights, mesmerizing the other drivers, maybe, lulling them into
> >complacency, I hope not, but certainly annoying.
> >
> >Riding the brake pedal with your left foot MAY improve your
> reaction  time,
> >but I bet  left foot braking is NOT safer in the overall street  driving
> scheme
> >of things!  The only group interested in promoting left  foot braking is
> the
> >brake repair shops, who will see a left foot braker's  vehicle as core
> >business!
> >
> >End Rant!
> >
> >Jim  Friesen
> >Phoenix AZ
> >79 300SD, 264 K miles
> >98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum

[E M]

I prefer the older stuff too, especially if it can be rebuilt, or worth
rebuilding.  I'm the kind of guy who would buy an older car I like, and in
the next 10 years, spend enough money keeping it nice a I would spend to buy
a new car.  There's a certain pride and pleasure that comes with using a
well made, well engineered product, whether a car, tool, or appliance.

Ed
300E, which is quickly becoming my favorite appliance. :-)

On 22/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You've just gotta love 'em! I'd probably have a Kirby for "carpet
> sweeping"
> but I'm just sold on those old cannister types.
>
> Though I like the new Dyson uprights that swirl the dirt around in a
> chamber, no bag... I don't like the idea of pretty new plastic appliances
> that are disposed of after a few years. Give me my 40, 30 and 23 year old
> vacumne cleaners, my 25 y/o KitchenAid mixer, my 45 year old Hotpoint
> rotary
> ironer (mangle), etc.
>
> Yep, I'm compulsive about certain things. I'd rather do without until I
> could afford something of quality rather than buy cheap and replace every
> year. Appreciating quality and taking proper car of those things is a key!
>
> That's why this type of discussion is appropriate on a MBZ thread.
>
>
> While on a rant here... I was taught not to finance anything that
> depreciates. You'd pay interest on a loan for something new that loses
> value? That's not always possible. BUT.. I'm afraid I'm pretty close
> minded
> when it comes to being interested in new cars. I'm not at all current on
> new
> cars, optional equipment, etc. My last conversation with a car dealer was
> early last spring when I was looking for a new little Ford Ranger pickup.
> I
> walked on the lot saying I wanted a basic little 5 speed p/u. Every unit
> had
> some ridiculous add-on equipment which boosted the price. I walked on the
> lot with a price in mind and a checkbook in hand. The salesman tried so
> hard
> to "sell" me on some "customer preferred package" that he convinced me I
> would not be a customer as I didn't prefer those packages. I left.
>
> The only exception unfortunately is computer hardware. I won't even rant
> at
> how the moment you buy something it's planned obsolete.
>
> T
>
> > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 01:09:34 -0500
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum
> >
> > I have an old Electrolux too, from the early 60's.  Thing is built like
> an
> > old Benz. lol.  I have a box of all kinds of old attachments for it,
> > including one to vacuum the dog.  It's semi-retired now and used to
> vacuum
> > the cars.
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 22/12/2007, Timothy Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> Still an Electrolux guy here. I have a 1976 model upstairs and a 1984
> >> model
> >> downstairs. Still have my grandparents' '50s model which is a chrome
> thing
> >> on skids. It came with turbo/air powered buffing attachments for the
> paste
> >> wax we used on the hardwood floors.
> >>
> >> Honestly, for the price of replacing with a new I'd just put a central
> >> unit
> >> in which exhausts to the outside. Then I could vacume the cat without
> >> scaring it.
> >>
> >>> From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >>> Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> >>> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 18:57:35 -0500
> >>> To: "Mercedes Discussion List" 
> >>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum
> >>>
> >>> I saw the Dyson's on TV here, the day before they hit the
> shelves.  Ran
> >> to
> >>> the store to get one.  Seemed enough at almost $600 at the time, but
> I'm
> >> a
> >>> clean freak, so hey, why not.  Then saw it was made in China, I turned
> >>> around and walked out.
> >>>
> >>> Ed
> >>> 300E
> >>>
> >>> On 21/12/2007, Kevin Kraly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Some newer vacs are healthier because they have replaceable HEPA
> >> filters.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've heard how the Dyson vacuums clean up pet hair quite well, and
> they
> >>>> also
> >>>> don't spew the smelly exhaust out into

Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and/OT: now left foot brakers

[E M]

Not meant as a flame or insult to any who use their left foot, I do too at
times.  But not for reaction time.  I don't know of any driving instructor
who would suggest using your left foot to brake, in the real world, would
increase you safety or braking time in anyway.

As far as I know, even though many on this list own diesels, it's not a
diesel list?  Maybe I missed that bit though?

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> And the Diesel contact to this flame trap would be??
>
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter T. Arnold
>
> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> is!
>
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 10:47:59 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >If you're putting your trust in your reaction time by left braking alone,
> >you're already off the road and in the ditch.  Think ahead and start
> >reacting before you "need" to.
> >
> >I'd even dare to say, brake pressure if more important that that first
> >reaction time.  You can get on the brakes as fast as you like, most (non
> >ABS) drivers never use anywhere near their brakes full potential.  It's
> >something ppl should do from time to time in a safe controlled area, just
> to
> >refresh themselves as to how fast they can stop their cars, should they
> have
> >to.
> >
> >The bottom line is this, if you find yourself needing to reach for the
> >brakes often, in such a rushed manor, you have to take a look at how your
> >driving and why it is you're getting yourself into these situations in
> the
> >first place.
> >
> >Ed
> >300E
> >
> >On 22/12/2007, Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> This is getting silly.
> >> Nobody ever suggested that you "Rest" your left foot on the brake
> >> pedal.  You pulled that out of the air.
> >> Drive with 2 feet, your choice.
> >> Choose to follow me and I have better reaction times because I often
> >> brake with my left foot, the choice of lawyers will be mine.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Peter T. Arnold
> >>
> >> 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 19Kmi, No problems!
> >> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> >> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> >> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
> >> Wife has a Cruizer, 87 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that
> >> is!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>   On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 00:18:09 EST, you wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >In a message dated 12/21/2007 8:21:53 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,
> >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >> >
> >> >Using  one foot forces you to RELEASE the throttle when you
> engage  the
> >> >brake.  If you put the brake where the clutch is supposed to be,  then
> >> >people who are accustomed to a manual transmission would be  punching
> >> >the brake.
> >> >
> >> >If you can't stop and go with one foot you have  no business behind
> the
> >> >wheel of a car.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >Thank you "strieb"!I hate the idea of left foot braking  with a
> >> passion!
> >> >
> >> >Consider a dozen cars moving down the freeway at about the
> >> same  speed.  The
> >> >car showing it's brake lights, for no good  reason, is probably driven
> by
> >> a
> >> >left foot braker.   They  sneeze, the brakes come on, the phone rings,
> >> the
> >> >brakes come on, they change  lanes, the brakes come on, they tailgate
> >> closer than
> >> >anyone else, the brakes  come on!
> >> >
> >> >Brake lights are necessary to warn of an impending speed change.
> >> Resting
> >> >your left foot on the brake pedal invariably results in an
> >> excess  display of
> >> >brake lights, mesmerizing the other drivers, maybe, lulling them into
> >> >complacency, I hope not, but certainly annoying.
> >> >
> >> >Riding the brake pedal with your left foot MAY improve your
> >> reaction  time,
> >> >but I bet  left foot braking is NOT safer in the overall
> street  driving
> >> scheme
> >> >of things!  The only group interested in promoting left  foot braking
> is
> >> the
> >> >brake repair shops, who will see a left foot braker's  vehicle as core
> >> >business!
> >> >
> >> >End Rant!
> >> >
> >> >Jim  Friesen
> >> >Phoenix AZ
> >> >79 300SD, 264 K miles
> >> >98 ML 320, 152 K  miles
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum

[E M]

I was thinking to install one when I had the house rewired, but a few ppl
told me the long hose can chew up the corners of the walls as you round them
going from room to room?

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Get central vac and never buy another vaccuum again. Even without a beater
> bar out central vac is the most effective vac I've ever used.
> The hose is way lighter than any portable.
>
> -Curt
>
> Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 15:41:12 -0500
> From: Peter T. Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum
> To: Mercedes Discussion List 
> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Very heavy, my Wife would comment worse present I ever gave her.
>
> Our present Orack is about 5 pounds of very functioanl power.
>
> PeteOn Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:15:14 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >Some guy is selling a Kirby vacuum on Columbus CL.  Anything special
> about
> >these? It just looks old to me.
>
> --
>
> Regards,
>
> Peter T. Arnold
>
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> 1987 300SDL  286 KMI  Now lives with Dave Walton, Cleveland Ohio
> 1995 F-250 PowerChoke  199Kmi
> 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen
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>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Downshifting

[E M]

My daily driving allows me to use enough brake force that heel and toe
downshifts are always used.  Even when using moderate brake force, I can
blip the throttle and keep pretty even pressure (not threshold) on the
brakes.  I make double-clutching part of the process, though many don't.
The double clutching is what helps spin up the next gear set before it's
engaged.  Many just let the sycros do all the work.  Back in the day, the
917 drivers hated the syncos in the gearboxes as they complained they slowed
the gear changes down.

In the Benz, I'll use 2nd with the slush box to hold or delay an upshift at
times.  Haven't used it while slowing much, other than if I have lower rpm's
anyway, I'm coming to a stop and I know I want to hold 2nd while
accelerating away.

I can't comment on diesels as I've only driven a few (old 300D and 300SD),
but yes, they did seem to have very long  pedal travel and would require
different ankles to heel and toe than what I came equipped with.

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> < you're only doing half your job and not matching engine speed to trans and
> road
> speed.>>
>
> Now, you are talking about double-clutching, not heel and toeing which are
> not necessarily used in combination. Certainly in everyday driving,
> heel-and-toeing is not going to be used because you are not applying that
> much braking.
> When driving my Porsche, I almost always downshift so as to be in the
> right gear
> when I want to accellerate. And driving on the track, heel-and-toe would
> be
> used all the time.
>
> Even in the MB, I sometimes run in 3rd or 4th gear (both lockups) in 25-35
> mph traffic both for slowing and accellerating.
>
> I haven't driven a manual diesel in a long time but it seems to me that
> heel-and-toeing one would be a waste of time becuse of the slow throttle
> response.
>
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Re: [MBZ] Harrowing and/OT: now left foot brakers

[E M]

heel and toeing saves your engine, and trans.  The whole idea behind heel
and toe is to match engine, trans and wheel speed.  As speed increases, it
pays in other ways too, as you heel and toe gives you a nice stable
platform, and you can then seperate different parts of the car and allow
them to work to they full potential.  You are in no way putting added stress
on any of these things, just the opposite.  You are however using the brakes
to slow the car, not the engine, but that's what brakes are made for, and
easy and cheap to replace as you say.

Ed
300E

>
>
> > Anytime you have to downshift is the right venue.  If you
> > don't do it, you're only doing half your job and not matching
> > engine speed to trans and road speed.
> >
> > Ed
>
> Who says you have to heel and toe to rev match during a downshift?
> There are otherways.
>
> And rev matching is most important where speed is important. In city
> traffic, I would rather wear out the easy-to-replace brakes than the
> clutch, engine, and transmission.
>
> To really want to know that you can match engine speed, road speed,
> and transmission gear ratio - shift without the clutch. It saves on
> clutch wear. Done wrong it will wear out the syncro's, though.
>
> --  Philip
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Re: [MBZ] Downshifting

[E M]

The problem if you let your wife or girlfriend see you heel and toe is,
they'll ask why you're so good dancing on the pedals, and yet always pass up
the chance to dance at weddings, claiming to have two left feet. ;-)

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Sat, 22 Dec 2007 16:20:50 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > I haven't driven a manual diesel in a long time but it seems to me that
> > heel-and-toeing one would be a waste of time becuse of the slow throttle
> > response.
>
> Our '72 220D/8 (OM615) had a throttle plate setup and dreadful slow
> throttle response. I went from a '68 Lotus Europa to that and had to
> abandon double-clutching.
>
> Our '82 240D/3.0 has much improved throttle response and I regularly
> double-clutch, particularly when slowing when going up a hill. My wife
> doesn't understand what I'm doing, it works so well.
>
>
> Craig
>
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[MBZ] [NMC] Early Christmas gift :-)

[E M]

Hi Everyone,

A friend just stopped around with an early Christmas gift.  A bottle of wine
and Jackie Stewart's bio, Winning Is Not Enough. I was watching the YouTube
vids yesterday of Sabine Schmitz and it mentioned in one of them, Steward
named the Ring, the Green Hell.  I think he really gave a lot or racers a
voice at a time when most weren't expected to make it through more than a
few years in the sport due to the dangers.  Should be a good read.

Ed
300E
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[MBZ] diesel racers

[E M]

I have a question pertaining to motor sports.  I know many on the list drive
diesels.  Are those of you who do mostly interested in them as daily
drivers, or do you follow diesels in motor sport as well?  I know Mercedes
isn't overly involved at the moment, well, not to my knowledge anyway, but
Audi and BMW both have diesel racing programs.  I've been to a few races to
watch the Audi's, and the most amazing thing is, how quiet they are.  Gas
mileage and fewer stops have given them an edge often.  I'm sure if they
haven't done so already, mercedes and their bluetech engines will soon be
added to the  grids.

Ed
300E
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Re: [MBZ] downshifts

[E M]

On 22/12/2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> < downshifts are always used. Even when using moderate brake force, I can
> blip the throttle and keep pretty even pressure (not threshold) on the
> brakes. >>
>
> So you drive the 911 every day, then. And you wait until the very last
> moment
> to brake on the street? Sounds like a setup to get rear-ended to me.


3 seasons, as often as I can.  See my post and read I'm able to heel and toe
without threshold braking all the time.  I tend to check my mirrors from
time to time too before breaking.  If he's riding me that close, guess I'll
just have to pray his left foot is hovering over the brake pedal to allow
him the faster response time he'll need.

< but yes, they did seem to have very long pedal travel and would require
> different ankles to heel and toe than what I came equipped with.>>
>
> Both automatics so obviously what we are talking about here does not
> apply.
> And I was referring to slow throttle response, not long pedal travel.


As I said, very little experience in diesels, stick, auto or otherwise.  The
few I drove seemed to respond quick enough for what they were and pull fine
from down low

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum

[E M]

Alright, now you guys have me thinking. I'm going to have a poke around and
see about running the pipes for one.  Are all the pipes in the wall rigid,
or can you get a flex pipe for routing through tricky bits in the walls and
ceilings?

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The last house we built in Wisconsin was over 3,000 sf
> and two stories.  There was no way we were dragging a
> vacuum around the house, so we put in a central vac
> system.  Definitely worth every penny, for a number of
> reasons.
>
> And yes, I too only had to empty the drum about
> once/twice a year.  Nice.
>
> Had the builder for this house not been such a putz
> about us doing our own stuff to the house I would have
> put one in here as well.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> --- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > Probably true. You'd want to have enough ports so
> > that you'd never need to really yank on the hose to
> > clean a room. In our little house we're fine with
> > just one port.
> > I try to be careful going room to room not to drag
> > the hose against the corners.
> >
> > Still, you gotta try one, even if it ment repainting
> > a couple spots (or installing plastic shielding)
> > it'd be worth it. So much easier, so quiet.
> > What happens with your vac if you accidentally grab
> > a plastic grocery bag? With our central vac it means
> > it'll go in the trash when I empty the cannister
> > NEXT YEAR. Yeah I only need to empty it once a
> > year...
> >
> > -Curt
> >
> > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:26:24 -0500
> > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Subject: Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum
> > To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
> > 
> > Message-ID:
> >
> >
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> >
> > I was thinking to install one when I had the house
> > rewired, but a few
> >  ppl
> > told me the long hose can chew up the corners of the
> > walls as you round
> >  them
> > going from room to room?
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> >
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Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum

[E M]

Hi Harry,

I wasn't sure what a Roomba was, so did a search.  Looks cool, the cats
would love it. :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tM0NsPNkyf0

Ed
300E

On 22/12/2007, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>   Ed, don't do it until you at least try a Roomba.  I'm telling you, the
> other vacuum systems won't be used much when you have one.  Our first was
> in
> operation during Thanksgiving 2006.  We had it running on the last day as
> our guests (mostly family) were leaving for home, its hard not to watch it
> the first time and they did.  I believe all but one family bought theirs
> within a week or so and love it like we do ours.
>
> We named ours Albert Einstein because its so smart and we work Albert like
> a
> slave, along with his sister Alberta, the Scooba, mops floors.
>
> Albert will do a room and then dock himself for recharging.  If he gets
> low
> on battery, he finds the charging port and docks.  He won't go over an
> edge,
> his sensor stops and reverses him.  I put him in the MB trunk, my pickup
> bed
> and the TD, he does a good job while I do something else.
>
> The latest models are suppose to be even better, hard to believe.
>
> Harry
>
> Harry
>
>
> On Dec 22, 2007 6:25 PM, E M <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Alright, now you guys have me thinking. I'm going to have a poke around
> > and
> > see about running the pipes for one.  Are all the pipes in the wall
> rigid,
> > or can you get a flex pipe for routing through tricky bits in the walls
> > and
> > ceilings?
> >
> > Ed
> > 300E
> >
> > On 22/12/2007, LWB250 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > The last house we built in Wisconsin was over 3,000 sf
> > > and two stories.  There was no way we were dragging a
> > > vacuum around the house, so we put in a central vac
> > > system.  Definitely worth every penny, for a number of
> > > reasons.
> > >
> > > And yes, I too only had to empty the drum about
> > > once/twice a year.  Nice.
> > >
> > > Had the builder for this house not been such a putz
> > > about us doing our own stuff to the house I would have
> > > put one in here as well.
> > >
> > > Dan
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Probably true. You'd want to have enough ports so
> > > > that you'd never need to really yank on the hose to
> > > > clean a room. In our little house we're fine with
> > > > just one port.
> > > > I try to be careful going room to room not to drag
> > > > the hose against the corners.
> > > >
> > > > Still, you gotta try one, even if it ment repainting
> > > > a couple spots (or installing plastic shielding)
> > > > it'd be worth it. So much easier, so quiet.
> > > > What happens with your vac if you accidentally grab
> > > > a plastic grocery bag? With our central vac it means
> > > > it'll go in the trash when I empty the cannister
> > > > NEXT YEAR. Yeah I only need to empty it once a
> > > > year...
> > > >
> > > > -Curt
> > > >
> > > > Date: Sat, 22 Dec 2007 13:26:24 -0500
> > > > From: "E M" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Subject: Re: [MBZ] completely OT: Kirby vacuum
> > > > To: "Mercedes Discussion List"
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> > > > Message-ID:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> > > >
> > > > I was thinking to install one when I had the house
> > > > rewired, but a few
> > > >  ppl
> > > > told me the long hose can chew up the corners of the
> > > > walls as you round
> > > >  them
> > > > going from room to room?
> > > >
> > > > Ed
> > > > 300E
> > > >
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Re: [MBZ] Porsche pick up truck

[E M]

I think I need one. :-)

Ed
300E

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Re: [MBZ] Merry Christmas to all

[E M]

buy parts?  I expect ppl to give me parts tomorrow. :-)

Ed
300E

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>
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>
>
> On Dec 24, 2007 12:58 PM, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > Well done.  Just because I'm not Christian doesn't stop tomorrow from
> > being
> > Christmas. And if someone is too intolerant to accept well wishes,
> they're
> > not worth your time.
> >
> > An alternate argument is "I'm not in politics, so I don't have to be
> > politically correct."
> >
> > On Dec 24, 2007 12:44 PM, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I refuse to be politically correct. I hope you all have a great day
> > > tomorrow whether you consider yourself to be
> > > Christian or not.
> > > We will have all of the immediate family for dinner at our house and
> > plan
> > > to have an enjoyable day. I hope you are
> > > all as fortunate as I.
> > >
> > > Randy
> > >
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Re: [MBZ] cheap 6.3 engine

[E M]

He says, you know the price of 6.3 parts. Yeah I do, and this will probably
need most of them replaced.  Before being stored in a trailer for years,
wonder how many years the car sat in a field?  6.3 still one of my all time
fave Mercedes engines.

Ed
300E

On 24/12/2007, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/MERCEDES-1971-6-3-ENGINE-300-SEL-600_W0QQitemZ120201899259QQihZ002QQcategoryZ34202QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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>   94 E420, 92 300SD, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic,
>   91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro,
>   84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D,
>   76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] Whoa

[E M]

yeah, and check out that 3 place McLaren F1 seating. lol

Ed
300E

On 26/12/2007, David Bruckmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> The Air Car:
>
> http://www.theaircar.com/
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Re: [MBZ] why would somebody pay this much for a car with a blown motor?

[E M]

If you already had one, you could probably get a lot more than $4000 worth
of spare parts off this one, and then get a couple hundred for waht you send
to the crusher once you parted it out.

Ed
300E

On 27/12/2007, Luther <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> Ignoramus?
>
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> '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case
> '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast
> '82 300CD (170 kmi)
> '82 300D  (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold
> '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
>
>
>
> Quoting "Kaleb C. Striplin \(CAT\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=120200757808&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT&ih=002
> >
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300SDL

[E M]

Do you have any pics of the car?

Ed
300E

On 28/12/2007, Sunil Hari <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> i'm moving to DC in june.  if you still have it, i'm interested.  but
> right
> now, can't afford a car and transit to columbus, then ANOTHER moving
> expense
> to dc.
>
> On Dec 28, 2007 7:07 PM, Dave H... <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Tom,
> >
> > Oh YES most definitely, I retained a fully operational master key with
> an
> > added clause that if the lock/key should need to be changed that I must
> be
> > provided with a full functional copy to enable repossession of the
> vehicle
> > if that should be necessary.
> >
> > I'm learning:)
> >
> >
> > Dave H...
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] New S400 Diesel Hybrid

[E M]

I think the previous S was also available in a twin turbo diesel, but we
didn't get it here?  Wonder if they'll offer an S with just the diesel, and
not the hybrid option over there in the future too?

Ed
300E

On 29/12/2007, LarryT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The new R&T tells about the new S400 Bluetec Hybrid sedan which will get
> the
> diesel V6 along with a 20hp electric motor - said to get 40+ MPG on the
> highway - 50 state compliant, 265hp with 465 lb. ft torque.  0-60 in 7.2
> sec. "performance of a V8 and economy of a 4 cyl"  - available in 2010.
>
> (Geez, seems like we were all worrying about Y2K just *very* recently -
> now
> 2010 is almost here - time is flying by!)
>
> No word on price --  maybe the R&T or MB websites have more info?
>
> Happy New Year --
>
> Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D)
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Re: [MBZ] Marshall Booth, email archive

[E M]

Thanks.

Ed
300E

On 29/12/2007, Wonko the Sane <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I exchanged emails with Marshall shortly before the end and told him how
> much I wished we could dump his brain to DVD. He got a chuckle out of the
> concept. But it looks like we, in some small way, have.
>
> On Dec 29, 2007 6:13 PM, Harry Watkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Philip and Don, What a treat.
> >
> > Harry
> >
> > On Dec 29, 2007 5:42 PM, Fmiser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > Through the generous hosting for Wonko the Sane - aka Lt. Don
> > > the collection of Marshall's posts to this list are accessible.
> > >
> > > http://don.homelinux.net/~don/marshall-mail/maillist.html<
> http://don.homelinux.net/%7Edon/marshall-mail/maillist.html>
> > >
> > > These were pulled from my collection. Dates span from early 2002
> > > to 2007 Oct - with some gaps.
> > >
> > > So all you folks who didn't get to know him and his writing
> > > while he was alive can still benefit from his knowledge and
> > > experience. And also get to know him the same way many of us
> > > did.
> > >
> > > Enjoy!
> > >
> > > --Philip
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Re: [MBZ] 1967 200D labor of love

[E M]

Nice work.

Ed
300E

On 30/12/2007, Bob Hamilton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I bought this car 3 years ago from the daughter of the original owner,
> Rolf Seidel.  He had bought it new in Red Deer on February 8, 1968 for
> $5,665.  (I have the Bill of Sale.)  It was located on a ranch west of Red
> Deer, Alberta and had spent it's whole "life" there.   Rolf passed away a
> number of years ago and his daughter, who had being storing it and driving
> it occasionally decided it was time to find a new home for it.
>
> We knew each other through a work connection.  We were at a Christmas
> function and  another fellow and I were talking about our old vehicles - his
> a 56 Chevy and mine a 51 Willys pickup  (
> http://picasaweb.google.com/hamibob/WillysTruck)  She mentioned that she
> had an old car she was wanting to sell - our ears perked up.  I subsequently
> went and looked at it, decided to buy it and then drove it home to Spruce
> Grove, west of Edmonton - about 2 hours.  They had recently had the motor
> rebuilt so it drives nicely - no power, not much speed but smooth.  At least
> that's what I remember as I haven't driven it for 3 years!
>
> Once I got it in the workshop, I discovered that the rust was quite a bit
> worse than what I originally thought (isn't it always!).  I worked on it a
> bunch when I first got it and then have not been too motivated to do much
> until the last couple weeks.  Now, I'm moving nicely in getting the rusty
> metal cut out, fabricating new pieces, welding them in and getting it ready
> to paint.  I thought I'd share with you where I am at.  I had noticed some
> discussion about welding lately - I'm guessing none of you are welding like
> what  I am doing!
>
> The pictures of my progression to date are at:
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>
> Wish me luck!!.  Bob
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Re: [MBZ] Someone needs to do this to a 123

[E M]

Besides being pretty, it's nice and safe too with those added crumple zones.
lol

Ed
300E

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> http://forum.ecomodder.com/showthread.php?t=290
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> Imagine the fun!  Imagine the envy from your neighbors!  Imagine the
> satisfaction and gratification you will receive!
>
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Re: [MBZ] DISAPPEARING CAR DOOR

[E M]

Looks really cool.  Only thing, wonder how they would get the door open in
the event of an accident?  Wonder if they added a pull release to allow the
whole door to fall away for emerg access.

Ed
300E

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> This is the Cat's meow
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