Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code (EVoC)-Mentor
Hello Everyone, Greetings! I hope you are doing well. I am Ojus, a final-year IT student. Recently, I discovered EVoC as an open-source enthusiast, and I'm deeply interested in participating in this program. However, I am new to this and am looking for a mentor to guide me through EVoC for a project related to mesa. I would appreciate any ideas or projects for this program, as I am open to learning new skills and facing new challenges. Here is my GitHub ID: https://github.com/ojuschugh1 Could you please guide me on the next steps? I am eager to work under my mentor's guidance. I would appreciate it if anyone could become my mentor and assist me in this endeavor. Thank you in advance for your assistance :D I eagerly await your response. I hope I can be of help to someone in any way ;) Thanks for your help and consideration. Kind Regards, Ojus
X.org endless vacation of code
Hello , I am Forcha Pearl Fri , a final year student of University of Buea , Cameroon . I wish to contribute to the OpenMAX projects , please how may I get started.
Re: Regarding project in X.Org Endless Vacation of Code programs
Hi Tushar, Leo is the lead from our multimedia team and should be able to help you with that. Cheers, Christian. Am 18.02.23 um 16:19 schrieb Tushar Gupta: Hello, I am software developer proficient in C++ and python and interested for contributing to "Unit and Performance test for VA-API" and "piglit for VA-API" project. My skills are aligned with the requirements of this project. I would like to discuss further about this project. Thank you
Regarding project in X.Org Endless Vacation of Code programs
Hello, I am software developer proficient in C++ and python and interested for contributing to "Unit and Performance test for VA-API" and "piglit for VA-API" project. My skills are aligned with the requirements of this project. I would like to discuss further about this project. Thank you
[Mesa-dev] Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
I looked through the project ideas at http://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/ which seemed doable to me. I would like to know more about the following projects - 1. Add support for performances counters in the profiling view 2. GL/GLSL tests for GL 4.0 and newer I have worked on projects using C and OpenGL as a part of coursework in college. Hence I feel I'll be able to work on these projects if I put enough time in it. I am also proficient in Java, Php, Javascript, HTML5 and CSS3 so if there are any projects using these, I would love to look into them as well. I plan to work on a project through EVoC during June and July if my application gets accepted. So till then I would like to spend one month in understanding the project, solving bugs and preparing a good application. Kindly help. Thanks and Regards, Anish Kanchan Student, University of Mumbai ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
Re: [Mesa-dev] Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
Hi Anish, On 11 May 2015 at 20:47, Anish Kanchan anishgkanc...@gmail.com wrote: I looked through the project ideas at http://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/ which seemed doable to me. I would like to know more about the following projects - 1. Add support for performances counters in the profiling view I believe that there is a student working on this project as part of GSoC 2015. Personally I think that going for another project will be better, although others might feel otherwise. 2. GL/GLSL tests for GL 4.0 and newer This topic has come across multiple times. The task entails that you pick up an GL extension (or a few) that are used by GL 4.0+, read through the spec test and write small piglit programs [1] which test the applicable functionality. One is expected to confirm their tests against another GL/GLSL implementation - i.e. run the programs on a GL 4.0+ capable hardware using the Nvida/AMD binary drivers. Note that there is a bit of a hurdle here on the patch review front. So you would be expected interact with the community and find a person interested in mentoring/reviewing your work. I have worked on projects using C and OpenGL as a part of coursework in college. Hence I feel I'll be able to work on these projects if I put enough time in it. I am also proficient in Java, Php, Javascript, HTML5 and CSS3 so if there are any projects using these, I would love to look into them as well. I plan to work on a project through EVoC during June and July if my application gets accepted. So till then I would like to spend one month in understanding the project, solving bugs and preparing a good application. According to the EVoC page [2] the student is expected to put three to four months of work. Regardless I would encourage that you try and get a better feel about the projects listed [3] and observe the direction of the current X development. Chilling out in #dri-devel (at FreeNode) and skimming through the dri-devel and mesa-dev mailing lists will help you out. Once you have a better feel on the projects (or idea for another one) just follow the guidelines [4] and submit a proposal. I believe this information is enough to get you in the right direction. Cheers, Emil [1] http://piglit.freedesktop.org/ [2] http://www.x.org/wiki/XorgEVoC/ [3] http://www.x.org/wiki/SummerOfCodeIdeas/ [4] http://www.x.org/wiki/GSoCApplication/ ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
Re: [Mesa-dev] Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
Okay. I looked through the other project ideas which seemed doable to me. I would like to know more about the following projects - 1. Add support for performances counters in the profiling view 2. GL/GLSL tests for GL 4.0 and newer I have worked on projects using C and OpenGL as a part of coursework in college. Hence I feel I'll be able to work on these projects if I put enough time in it. I plan to work on a project through EVoC during June and July if my application gets accepted. So till then I would like to spend one month in understanding the project, solving bugs and preparing a good application. Kindly help. Thanks and Regards, Anish Kanchan Student, University of Mumbai On Tue, Apr 28, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Matt Turner matts...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Anish Kanchan anishgkanc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am a final year Computer Engineering student from Sardar Patel Institute of Technology. I have a good understanding of C and I have worked on projects using C as a part of my coursework. I am interested in working on the Improved application of GLSL complier optimizations project idea for EVoC. I responded to someone else's question about this project -- see here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2015-March/079293.html Basically, I don't think it's an interesting project. It may have been at one point, but not any more. So before submitting an application, I understand that I need to understand the code base and submit patches to show my programming proficiency and problem solving skills. However, before I begin doing so, I would like you to answer few queries - 1. Can a proposal have only one 'easy' project idea (or will one have to club two easy ones)? 2. Could you point me to the necessary resources which will help me understand the project? It's not really a software project that you can just quickly understand fully. :) Lots of us have been working on it for years and aren't even interested in understanding it fully. 3. Could you also tell me how to set up the development environment for setting up this project? I've been meaning to create a wiki page. Hopefully I can do this soon. ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
Re: [Mesa-dev] Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
On Tue, 2015-04-28 at 04:28 +0530, Anish Kanchan wrote: Hello, I am a final year Computer Engineering student from Sardar Patel Institute of Technology. I have a good understanding of C and I have worked on projects using C as a part of my coursework. I am interested in working on the Improved application of GLSL complier optimizations project idea for EVoC. So before submitting an application, I understand that I need to understand the code base and submit patches to show my programming proficiency and problem solving skills. However, before I begin doing so, I would like you to answer few queries - 1. Can a proposal have only one 'easy' project idea (or will one have to club two easy ones)? 2. Could you point me to the necessary resources which will help me understand the project? There is some basic developer info in the docs folder devinfo.html (provides some tips to new developers) and sourcetree.html (has an excellent overview of the source code directory structures) are two files I found helpful. 3. Could you also tell me how to set up the development environment for setting up this project? Thanks, Anish Kanchan Student, University of Mumbai ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
[Mesa-dev] Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
Hello, I am a final year Computer Engineering student from Sardar Patel Institute of Technology. I have a good understanding of C and I have worked on projects using C as a part of my coursework. I am interested in working on the Improved application of GLSL complier optimizations project idea for EVoC. So before submitting an application, I understand that I need to understand the code base and submit patches to show my programming proficiency and problem solving skills. However, before I begin doing so, I would like you to answer few queries - 1. Can a proposal have only one 'easy' project idea (or will one have to club two easy ones)? 2. Could you point me to the necessary resources which will help me understand the project? 3. Could you also tell me how to set up the development environment for setting up this project? Thanks, Anish Kanchan Student, University of Mumbai ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
Re: [Mesa-dev] Regarding X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 3:58 PM, Anish Kanchan anishgkanc...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I am a final year Computer Engineering student from Sardar Patel Institute of Technology. I have a good understanding of C and I have worked on projects using C as a part of my coursework. I am interested in working on the Improved application of GLSL complier optimizations project idea for EVoC. I responded to someone else's question about this project -- see here: http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/mesa-dev/2015-March/079293.html Basically, I don't think it's an interesting project. It may have been at one point, but not any more. So before submitting an application, I understand that I need to understand the code base and submit patches to show my programming proficiency and problem solving skills. However, before I begin doing so, I would like you to answer few queries - 1. Can a proposal have only one 'easy' project idea (or will one have to club two easy ones)? 2. Could you point me to the necessary resources which will help me understand the project? It's not really a software project that you can just quickly understand fully. :) Lots of us have been working on it for years and aren't even interested in understanding it fully. 3. Could you also tell me how to set up the development environment for setting up this project? I've been meaning to create a wiki page. Hopefully I can do this soon. ___ mesa-dev mailing list mesa-dev@lists.freedesktop.org http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/mesa-dev
Re: [Mesa-dev] Participate in X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
Hey Devs , I'm Lakmal ,a Computer Science Engineering student from University of Moratuwa ,Sri Lanka . Next few months going to be my term vacation and I was searching for opportunities where I could get the experience of a real world project while improving my technical skills .X.org Endless Vacation of code seemed to match my targets perfectly . I had a conversation with Matt Dew and Alex Deucher about my past projects,interests ,availability .You can refer to that conversation in the quoted parts below.When I express my interest in working with the project on *adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit* which was suggested in the summer ideas list, Alex asked me to direct my request to this mailing list for more help . I see *piglit *is written in python. I posses a good knowledge in Python and very much interested in working with the language.That was one of the reason I preferred this project .I would be grateful if anyone of you can provide some more details on how should I proceed further , whether this project would be suitable for a summer project (Of course it is suggested in the summer ideas list :-) .But would like to get a comment on that as well ) and any other technologies I should be familiar with to work with the project . I have my semester exams going on until the end of 3rd week of May . So I am hoping to utilize these weeks to make my self familiar with the community and to build up a good proposal.So any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Alex ,Matt Everyone , Thanks for the ideas list Alex. I did encounter this link previously when I was going through the mail archives . I'm not sure whether all these projects are available or not .But after having an initial look I'm pretty much interested in the two projects mentioned here . First one is the project regarding adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit .Piglit seems to be implemented in python .So I would be very much interested in working with it . And as another option I'm interested in the project focusing adding more input support for XCB .I dont have much background knowledge needed for this project .But when I read about it sounded really interesting and also got the feeling I would enjoy this type of a project . You might have some comments on my interested ideas .If you think they are feasible Please guide me on how should I proceed further with each one . One thing I experienced in the past was when you try to contribute to a open source project most difficult part is setting up the required environment/tools for the development . I would kindly request some guidance and help on these steps focusing on above projects . As I mentioned in my first email message , I will be having my exams until the end of third week of May .I believe it will be great if I can use these 3 weeks to get to know the community and move with one of my selected idea until I can come up with a good proposal with the feedback of the developers . So I would be able to start my developing phase right after I'm done with my exams . On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Lakmal, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Matt , as you have mentioned I am more interested in non-graphic backend stuff . During my last internship I mainly worked with Python and Ruby where I used these scripts to access several remote servers ,download data ,create databases and finally to analyze and present these data. I found python to be a very interesting programming language although I hadn't work with it before my internship . I developed an extension to OpenOffice which can be used to do basic image manipulation using Java .Most of the features of this extension were depending on pixel manipulation ( Etc Rotation Image , Scale ) where I could use my solid mathematics background . As one of the project in the university I'm working in developing a Distributed System Management Framework using Apache Zookeeper and Apache Thrift with 3 other team members. Language of implementation is Java and this involves working with some major topics in distributed computing like election algorithms ,resource allocation algorithms . In the recent past , I worked a little bit with GNOME shotwell project as I was very excited with its lightweight appearance and good set of features which made me to hack their code a little bit . So I could make myself familiar with their main implementation language Vala (which I believe very similar to C#) . Although I haven't worked with a major project in C that is one other language I'm comfortable at, as I used it and still using it in our university assignments. So as the bottom line at the moment I'm very much familiar with languages like Python
[Mesa-dev] Participate in X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
Hey Devs , I'm Lakmal ,a Computer Science Engineering student from University of Moratuwa ,Sri Lanka . Next few months going to be my term vacation and I was searching for opportunities where I could get the experience of a real world project while improving my technical skills .X.org Endless Vacation of code seemed to match my targets perfectly . I had a conversation with Matt Dew and Alex Deucher about my past projects,interests ,availability .You can refer to that conversation in the quoted parts below.When I express my interest in working with the project on *adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit* which was suggested in the summer ideas list, Alex asked me to direct my request to this mailing list for more help . I see *piglit *is written in python. I posses a good knowledge in Python and very much interested in working with the language.That was one of the reason I preferred this project .I would be grateful if anyone of you can provide some more details on how should I proceed further , whether this project would be suitable for a summer project (Of course it is suggested in the summer ideas list :-) .But would like to get a comment on that as well ) and any other technologies I should be familiar with to work with the project . I have my semester exams going on until the end of 3rd week of May . So I am hoping to utilize these weeks to make my self familiar with the community and to build up a good proposal.So any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Alex ,Matt Everyone , Thanks for the ideas list Alex. I did encounter this link previously when I was going through the mail archives . I'm not sure whether all these projects are available or not .But after having an initial look I'm pretty much interested in the two projects mentioned here . First one is the project regarding adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit .Piglit seems to be implemented in python .So I would be very much interested in working with it . And as another option I'm interested in the project focusing adding more input support for XCB .I dont have much background knowledge needed for this project .But when I read about it sounded really interesting and also got the feeling I would enjoy this type of a project . You might have some comments on my interested ideas .If you think they are feasible Please guide me on how should I proceed further with each one . One thing I experienced in the past was when you try to contribute to a open source project most difficult part is setting up the required environment/tools for the development . I would kindly request some guidance and help on these steps focusing on above projects . As I mentioned in my first email message , I will be having my exams until the end of third week of May .I believe it will be great if I can use these 3 weeks to get to know the community and move with one of my selected idea until I can come up with a good proposal with the feedback of the developers . So I would be able to start my developing phase right after I'm done with my exams . On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Lakmal, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Matt , as you have mentioned I am more interested in non-graphic backend stuff . During my last internship I mainly worked with Python and Ruby where I used these scripts to access several remote servers ,download data ,create databases and finally to analyze and present these data. I found python to be a very interesting programming language although I hadn't work with it before my internship . I developed an extension to OpenOffice which can be used to do basic image manipulation using Java .Most of the features of this extension were depending on pixel manipulation ( Etc Rotation Image , Scale ) where I could use my solid mathematics background . As one of the project in the university I'm working in developing a Distributed System Management Framework using Apache Zookeeper and Apache Thrift with 3 other team members. Language of implementation is Java and this involves working with some major topics in distributed computing like election algorithms ,resource allocation algorithms . In the recent past , I worked a little bit with GNOME shotwell project as I was very excited with its lightweight appearance and good set of features which made me to hack their code a little bit . So I could make myself familiar with their main implementation language Vala (which I believe very similar to C#) . Although I haven't worked with a major project in C that is one other language I'm comfortable at, as I used it and still using it in our university assignments. So as the bottom line at the moment I'm very much familiar with languages like Python
Re: [Mesa-dev] Participate in X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:06:01PM +0530, Lakmal padmakumara wrote: Hey Devs , I'm Lakmal ,a Computer Science Engineering student from University of Moratuwa ,Sri Lanka . Next few months going to be my term vacation and I was searching for opportunities where I could get the experience of a real world project while improving my technical skills .X.org Endless Vacation of code seemed to match my targets perfectly . I had a conversation with Matt Dew and Alex Deucher about my past projects,interests ,availability .You can refer to that conversation in the quoted parts below.When I express my interest in working with the project on *adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit* which was suggested in the summer ideas list, Alex asked me to direct my request to this mailing list for more help . I see *piglit *is written in python. I posses a good knowledge in Python and very much interested in working with the language.That was one of the reason I preferred this project .I would be grateful if anyone of you can provide some more details on how should I proceed further , whether this project would be suitable for a summer project (Of course it is suggested in the summer ideas list :-) .But would like to get a comment on that as well ) and any other technologies I should be familiar with to work with the project . I have my semester exams going on until the end of 3rd week of May . So I am hoping to utilize these weeks to make my self familiar with the community and to build up a good proposal.So any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance Hi Lakmal, Glad to hear that you are interested. I would suggest you start by getting familiar with piglit and do a test run or two. Typically, we use the quick-driver.tests suite for testing graphics drivers. Once your are familiar with how piglit works then you can start to take a look at the internals of piglit and how the testing infrastructure for other APIs is designed. This will help you get a sense of the work involved in adding support for OpenCL. There was some work done in the past on adding OpenCL infrastructure to piglit. The code is here: https://github.com/rakadam/piglit It might be useful to take a look at that too. For the OpenCL piglit project, I think the work could be divided up into three major tasks: 1. Add OpenCL infrastructure to piglit 2. Write OpenCL tests 3. Fix the Open Source OpenCL implementation when tests fail Number 3 is optional, but would be a good way to get involved in Open Source driver development. Once you get a sense for what you want to do and how long it might take, you should make a draft of your proposal and send it to the mailing list for some feedback. Most of the piglit developers hang out in the #dri-devel irc channel @ irc.freenode.net, so that is also a good place to go if you have questions. I hope this helps. -Tom On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Alex ,Matt Everyone , Thanks for the ideas list Alex. I did encounter this link previously when I was going through the mail archives . I'm not sure whether all these projects are available or not .But after having an initial look I'm pretty much interested in the two projects mentioned here . First one is the project regarding adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit .Piglit seems to be implemented in python .So I would be very much interested in working with it . And as another option I'm interested in the project focusing adding more input support for XCB .I dont have much background knowledge needed for this project .But when I read about it sounded really interesting and also got the feeling I would enjoy this type of a project . You might have some comments on my interested ideas .If you think they are feasible Please guide me on how should I proceed further with each one . One thing I experienced in the past was when you try to contribute to a open source project most difficult part is setting up the required environment/tools for the development . I would kindly request some guidance and help on these steps focusing on above projects . As I mentioned in my first email message , I will be having my exams until the end of third week of May .I believe it will be great if I can use these 3 weeks to get to know the community and move with one of my selected idea until I can come up with a good proposal with the feedback of the developers . So I would be able to start my developing phase right after I'm done with my exams . On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 6:11 PM, Alex Deucher alexdeuc...@gmail.comwrote: Hi Lakmal, On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 1:30 AM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Matt , as you have mentioned I am more interested in non-graphic backend stuff . During my last internship I mainly worked with Python and Ruby where I used these scripts to access
Re: [Mesa-dev] Participate in X.Org Endless Vacation of Code
Hey Tom Alex , On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 7:33 PM, Tom Stellard thomas.stell...@amd.comwrote: On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 06:06:01PM +0530, Lakmal padmakumara wrote: Hey Devs , I'm Lakmal ,a Computer Science Engineering student from University of Moratuwa ,Sri Lanka . Next few months going to be my term vacation and I was searching for opportunities where I could get the experience of a real world project while improving my technical skills .X.org Endless Vacation of code seemed to match my targets perfectly . I had a conversation with Matt Dew and Alex Deucher about my past projects,interests ,availability .You can refer to that conversation in the quoted parts below.When I express my interest in working with the project on *adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit* which was suggested in the summer ideas list, Alex asked me to direct my request to this mailing list for more help . I see *piglit *is written in python. I posses a good knowledge in Python and very much interested in working with the language.That was one of the reason I preferred this project .I would be grateful if anyone of you can provide some more details on how should I proceed further , whether this project would be suitable for a summer project (Of course it is suggested in the summer ideas list :-) .But would like to get a comment on that as well ) and any other technologies I should be familiar with to work with the project . I have my semester exams going on until the end of 3rd week of May . So I am hoping to utilize these weeks to make my self familiar with the community and to build up a good proposal.So any help would be greatly appreciated . Thanks in advance Hi Lakmal, Glad to hear that you are interested. I would suggest you start by getting familiar with piglit and do a test run or two. Typically, we use the quick-driver.tests suite for testing graphics drivers. Once your are familiar with how piglit works then you can start to take a look at the internals of piglit and how the testing infrastructure for other APIs is designed. This will help you get a sense of the work involved in adding support for OpenCL. There was some work done in the past on adding OpenCL infrastructure to piglit. The code is here: https://github.com/rakadam/piglit It might be useful to take a look at that too. For the OpenCL piglit project, I think the work could be divided up into three major tasks: 1. Add OpenCL infrastructure to piglit 2. Write OpenCL tests 3. Fix the Open Source OpenCL implementation when tests fail Number 3 is optional, but would be a good way to get involved in Open Source driver development. Once you get a sense for what you want to do and how long it might take, you should make a draft of your proposal and send it to the mailing list for some feedback. Most of the piglit developers hang out in the #dri-devel irc channel @ irc.freenode.net, so that is also a good place to go if you have questions. I hope this helps. Yes ,this is very helpful and I got some pointers on how should I start working . Will get back to you with a draft proposal and also with any questions if I encounter any in the process . Thanks again . -Tom On Wed, Apr 25, 2012 at 8:46 PM, Lakmal padmakumara rclak...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Alex ,Matt Everyone , Thanks for the ideas list Alex. I did encounter this link previously when I was going through the mail archives . I'm not sure whether all these projects are available or not .But after having an initial look I'm pretty much interested in the two projects mentioned here . First one is the project regarding adding an OpenCL test framework for piglit .Piglit seems to be implemented in python .So I would be very much interested in working with it . And as another option I'm interested in the project focusing adding more input support for XCB .I dont have much background knowledge needed for this project .But when I read about it sounded really interesting and also got the feeling I would enjoy this type of a project . You might have some comments on my interested ideas .If you think they are feasible Please guide me on how should I proceed further with each one . One thing I experienced in the past was when you try to contribute to a open source project most difficult part is setting up the required environment/tools for the development . I would kindly request some guidance and help on these steps focusing on above projects . As I mentioned in my first email message , I will be having my exams until the end of third week of May .I believe it will be great if I can use these 3 weeks to get to know the community and move with one of my selected idea until I can come up with a good proposal with the feedback of the developers . So I would be able to start my developing phase right after I'm
