Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner
Hello What email addess I have to put in the Email a Patient at FMC? Regards Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Darryl and List: I'm sure everyone who knows Steve (the great meteorite hunter), either personally or by reputation, will want to join Darryl in wishing him a very speedy and complete recovery. I think there's another big Glorieta out there with Steve's name on it, so he better rest up while he has the chance : ) Best of luck, Steve. We'll be sending you positive thoughts. Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner
Insert your own email in that space, Matteo. And thanks so much for writing. I'm confident that by Steve becoming tangibly aware of what we all feel in our hearts will greatly assist in his recovery. As it regards the matter of Steve's recovery, I've received a handful of emails enquiring about Steve's prognosis given the apparent viral source of his illness. Unfortunately, there has been an injury to the brain, and like any other injury to the brain, there must be an extensive period of rehabilitation. The extent and trajectory of Steve's recovery cannot be determined at this time. To echo Walter's sentiments, Steve became a meteorite enthusiast as a teenager. He sought-out Harvey Nininger as a kid and an engaging photo of Steve and Nininger (which appeared in Meteorite) was taken around this time--and understand, this is B.B...Before Bob). Much later Steve became adamant about the existence of a large pallasitic mass in the Glorieta strewn field. Seventy trips of 2-3 weeks in inhospitable terrain over a fifteen year period were spent searching for, among other things, validation. And then he found it. Again, here is the email link to drop a note to Steve, a National Park Ranger, Civil War expert, meteorite hunter extraordinaire, gentle soul and remarkable man: http://www.flagstaffmedicalcenter.com/pp_fmc/fmc_email_patient.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner
I want to say something to everyone on this listREGARDLESS if you know or met Steve. Take the 2 minutes it will take to send him an email. Do not put it off, do not wait until later, do NOT make excuses. This is a human being in need of support. Nothing anyone can do including his doctors can do for Steve what Steve can do for himself with your words of encouragement. Healing on any scale for anyone begins within themselves. Take the 2 minutes it will take to send him an email and tell him that you are thinking about him and encourage him to work and fight for a full recovery. Having battled a serious injury myself in my life I can tell you that believing you can recover, knowing that others are pulling for you and hearing and seeing the encouragement of others is what gets you through the toughest times when you feel like quitting...Steve needs that help from all of us... Thanks Mark M. Phoenix AZ - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner Insert your own email in that space, Matteo. And thanks so much for writing. I'm confident that by Steve becoming tangibly aware of what we all feel in our hearts will greatly assist in his recovery. As it regards the matter of Steve's recovery, I've received a handful of emails enquiring about Steve's prognosis given the apparent viral source of his illness. Unfortunately, there has been an injury to the brain, and like any other injury to the brain, there must be an extensive period of rehabilitation. The extent and trajectory of Steve's recovery cannot be determined at this time. To echo Walter's sentiments, Steve became a meteorite enthusiast as a teenager. He sought-out Harvey Nininger as a kid and an engaging photo of Steve and Nininger (which appeared in Meteorite) was taken around this time--and understand, this is B.B...Before Bob). Much later Steve became adamant about the existence of a large pallasitic mass in the Glorieta strewn field. Seventy trips of 2-3 weeks in inhospitable terrain over a fifteen year period were spent searching for, among other things, validation. And then he found it. Again, here is the email link to drop a note to Steve, a National Park Ranger, Civil War expert, meteorite hunter extraordinaire, gentle soul and remarkable man: http://www.flagstaffmedicalcenter.com/pp_fmc/fmc_email_patient.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Schoner
Thanks for your suggestion Mark. I did send some optimistic words to Steve through the Flagstaff Medical Center site and it works perfectly. I encourage, among others, all the non US meteorite enthousiasts (eh Mateo ?) to do the same, even if you don't know Steve, as it is my case. We all at least know (some of) his achievements in the meteorite domain. A few simple but optimistic words coming from an obscure part of our world, can be such a therapy! Best, Zelimir ** Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Groupe Sécurité et Ecologie Chimiques (GSEC) - ENSCMu 3, rue A. Werner F-68093 MULHOUSE Cedex, FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 FAX: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
a reay exciting breccia,, any comments are appreciated: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl5/ Mohamed Yousef == _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
NOT METEORITE! The next email and I put on spam the address. Matteo --- M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: a reay exciting breccia,, any comments are appreciated: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl5/ Mohamed Yousef == _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone see STARSHINE?
DId anyone from Da List see or hear about STARSHINE's re-entry yet? Here, Kona winds brought (for the last 3 days) our first rainfall this year. IFR conditions only until yesterday afternoon, and if that weren't bad enough, the pass close to me most likely to drop the satellite had a big chunk o' rock in between me and the likely trajectory, i.e, Haleakala. If it entered during the last 2 days, I didn't see it. Tracy Latimer _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
Hi Mohamed, What a nice piece of silica (chalcedony)!. But isn't this off topic ? Keep searching but, in between your extensive and so specific hunting, try also to get some knowledge on the most common terrestrial minerals and rocks. There are so many in the desertsperhaps even more than lunar meteorites ...and this could help your quest for sure! Zelimir At 18:20 21/01/03 +, you wrote: a reay exciting breccia,, any comments are appreciated: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl5/ Mohamed Yousef == ** Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Groupe Sécurité et Ecologie Chimiques (GSEC) - ENSCMu 3, rue A. Werner F-68093 MULHOUSE Cedex, FRANCE Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 FAX: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 e-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NOT very exciting breccia
Mo, Walter Mitty of the Sahara- Our opinion is not important you, faith is. Whatever your heart says it is...it is. You made that clear last week. It has already been validated by the only expert you trust...Yousef...er...Yourself. Congrats on your new delusion now go away. I hear Algeria has a lot of possible lunar meteorites. -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 10:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia a reay exciting breccia,, any comments are appreciated: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl5/ Mohamed Yousef == _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Schoner
Hello List, I had the pleasure of meeting Steve at last years Tucson event. Since that time we have communicated several times shared photos and received many positive e-mails from Steve, both meteorite related and not, and I purchasd one of his Polar-Views,(a very neat little item that goes on my microscope to view thin sections in polarized light.), a tool I use often. Steve Schoner is one of the nicest people in our community. I was very saddened to hear of his currant health condition. (It always seems as though the good guys get the bad end of everything). My thoughts and prayers go out to Steve and his family. Lets all hope that he makes a fast recovery. Mark Bostick __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
Yousef, I mean this sincerely...find a library or buy some books. With all the looking you have done in a place where your chances are higher than most to find a REAL meteorite with the proper knowledge(obviously lacking) you could have found a real meteorite. Mark - Original Message - From: M Yousef [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 11:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia a reay exciting breccia,, any comments are appreciated: http://www.alifyaa.com/meteorite/pl5/ Mohamed Yousef == _ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for Jim Hartman too!
I'm looking for Jim Hartman too. Anyone have any ideas? Jeanne Devon Jim.you out there? -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Schoner
Geoff wrote: I think there's another big Glorieta out there with Steve's name on it NOTKIN G. (2001) Legend of Glorieta Mountain (METEORITE; Feb. 2001, Vol. 7, No.1, pp. 24-27). Photos: - the 20.2 kg mass found by Steve - examples of typical features found in GM - Steve and Dr. H.H. Nininger in 1970 - Steve and his 20.2 kg main mass - Marlin Cilz with complete slice of Glorieta Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Steve Schoner
Subject: The Pot Calls the Kettle Black but with Crust er Crud Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 12:17:16 -0500 Malvin Bishop [EMAIL PROTECTED] Individuals such as, ... , Rob Elliott, Mike Farmer, Ron Baalke, Michael Blood, John Gwilliam, Geoff Cintron, Peri Craig, Julia, Jeff Grossman, and S t e v e S c h o n e r (whose input I miss VERY much - hope you're lurking somewhere in the background, Steve) REALLY make reading my email a joy! Subject: Iron Breccia Responses / Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 11:21:57 Mark Fox [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you ... , Rhett Bourland, S t e v e S c h o n e r, Eric Olsen, Rick Kujawa, and Matt Morgan for your superb remarks. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Steve Schoner + Article
Dear Listees: For anyone who would like to know more about Steve Schoner's amazing exploits, please see my article Legend of Glorieta Mountain, which was the cover story for the February 2001 issue of Meteorite magazine. This article was based on extensive interviews that I conducted with Steve, and is illustrated with photos taken by Darryl Pitt and Harald Stehlik, as well as an old b/w snapshot of a young Steve Schoner in the company of the one and only H.H. Nininger. I realize that back issues of M are very hard to obtain, so I'd be happy to email a copy of the article (sans photos, unfortunately) to anyone who is interested. Email me off-list please. Steve is a very determined man. He survived a close encounter with a bear while meteorite hunting in New Mexico -- and several other very close calls -- so I'm betting that he'll pull through this one too. Regards, Geoff N. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Asteroid Theory Gains Ground - will somebody please tell them about comets
the cooling mentioned most likely is be the first fragment of this comet hitting - ep --- Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www2.dailycamera.com/bdc/environment/article/0,1713,BDC_2434_1677499,00.html Asteroid theory gains ground Impact probably did in the dinosaurs, new study says By Katy Human Daily Camera January 16, 2003 Dinosaurs probably died because of an asteroid impact - the dust, dead plants and global wildfires caused by the giant collision - and not because of ancient volcanic eruptions or climate change, according to a new study by scientists in Colorado, Pennsylvania and Washington, D.C. Although many paleontologists have come to believe the asteroid impact theory in recent years, some remained convinced that changes in the weather about 65 million years ago doomed the dinosaurs, said Kirk Johnson, a paleobotanist at the Denver Museum of Nature and Science. Others simply thought the asteroid theory was too clean and simple, said Johnson, co-author of a paper published last week in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. We've shown how complicated the world was back then ... and even with that, the asteroid comes out clearly, he said. The new study lends more credibility to the asteroid theory by showing that climate change did not affect dinosaur survival. Pat Holroyd, a vertebrate paleontologist at the University of California, Berkeley's Museum of Paleontology and a colleague of Johnson and his co-authors, said she thinks the paper is a very important one. Time will tell if it helps answer all our questions, she said. We'll need to talk about it in meetings, see if this works worldwide ... but this sets the standard for studies elsewhere. Johnson and his colleagues - Peter Wilf at Pennsylvania State University and Brian Huber at the Smithsonian Institution - studied fossils of plants and ocean animals for detailed information about climate changes in the million years or so before and after the dinosaurs' demise. For the plant-based climate record, Johnson pored through 22,000 plant fossils excavated from a North Dakota site known to straddle the Cretaceous-Tertiary boundary, when dinosaurs died. Leaf shapes are directly related to climate, he said. Huber looked at the fossils of tiny marine animals called foraminifera, which record temperatures in another way. And both scientists linked their climate data to real dates with a geological trick related to the planet's shifting magnetism. Wilf pulled the data together, Johnson said. The curves matched, and they showed this neat pattern of climate change, he said. A half-million years before the asteroid hit, we see a strong chug of global warming, probably linked to volcanic eruptions in India. Volcanoes spew carbon dioxide, a greenhouse gas, into the atmosphere, he explained. Some researchers suggest that volcano-caused climate change killed the dinosaurs. Then just before the hit, 100,000 years before, there's a strong cooling, and it (the temperature) drops back down to the level it was at before, Johnson said. But during the major climate swing, little changed on land, he said. There were still crocodiles in the Arctic ... and we had the same dinosaur community here in North America: tyrannosaurus, triceratops, the duckbills. Yet when the giant asteroid struck, every land animal bigger than a dog died, and 50 percent to 80 percent of plants - the base of the food chain on land - disappeared. This starts to take volcano and climate out of the argument, Johnson said. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Schoner
Darryl and List members: The message below expresses just too little for a man like Steve Schoner. He became my friend at the first sight when I went to Flagstaff to visit him at his home and talk about meteorites. Let´s pray for Steve´s recovery. Wilton Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] City: salvador State: BahiaBrasil Zip: Patients_name: Steve Schoner B1: Submit Comments To Steve, his wife and daughter: I am very sorry about Steve´s illness. I wish to say you three that it is still fresh in my memory that night I spent at your home talking about meteorites, during Tucson 2000 Show. Steve I wish you a prompt recovery to come down here as we agreed in order to hunt meteorites. Wilton Carvalho From Brazil - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:30 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Steve Schoner Bad news and good news… Two weeks ago a remarkable and much beloved member of the meteorite community, Steve Schoner, suffered what appeared to be a severe stroke. Steve’ s right side was paralyzed and he was completely aphasic, which is to say that he couldn’t speak or comprehend simple thoughts. There was no recognition, not even of himself. As a result of the swelling of the brain, there was concern that Steve might die. Steve’s wife and I thought it best to not inform the list of Steve’s illness until there was a clear diagnosis and/or prognosis. Steve’s case is, however, complicated (which is unsurprising, if you know Steve), and there is still as yet no certain diagnosis. While a battery of tests are still being conducted, it appears Steve was felled by a virus. I hasten to add that Steve has been receiving excellent medical care. (In addition to the highly skilled professionals at the Flagstaff Medical Center, there are several physicians—-family and friends—-who have also been monitoring Steve’s situation and there exists a consensus that all the right moves are being made. Further, one of the most eminent neurological centers in the world is fortuitously located in Phoenix, a couple of hours from where Steve lives, and the Barrow Neurological Institute is now also involved in Steve’s case.) It was decided to let Steve’s friends on the list learn what was going on given a wonderful development which occurred just an hour or so ago. Steve spoke. He responded to “How are you doin’?” with “I’m not doing too well.” To assist Steve in his recovery, cards can be sent to: Steve Schoner Flagstaff Medical Center 1200 North Beaver Street Flagstaff, AZ 86001 You can also write to Steve directly via email by going to the following page at the Flagstaff Medical Center’s website: http://www.flagstaffmedicalcenter.com/pp_fmc/fmc_email_patient.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New cut meteorite
Hi List, I was going to wait to do this but I see that the list is getting frustrated with somebody's posts of terrestrial samples so here goes. Check this link out and guess the classification , I think you will find this is a real meteorite that I cut a couple weeks ago, I have a few guesses already and would appreciate anybody else giving their opinion on this material. Jeff Kyuken was nice enough to donate the web space for all to see as I do not have a web site for myself yet, Thank you Jeff.Click on this linkto see it.I am going to see about having this meteorite classified and if I can I will post the results on the list for all. http://www.meteoritesaustralia.com/oddsends/steven.html Thanks for your opinions , Best Regards to all . Steven Drummond "The Unknown Collector" IMCA# 9931
[meteorite-list] New Iron meteorite from Brazil
Hello again everyone. I have been very busy in the last month, several trips to South America, Brazil and Colombia. I am announcing here a new iron called Uruacu. Pronounces ooohroooasuu. It is a course octahedrite (IAB) cohenite-schreibersite rich. This is a very beautiful meteorite, VERY difficult to cut. It is costing a small fortune to cut and polish due to it's hardness and inclusions. Uruacu was found in Goais Brazil in 1992. This piece was found by gold prospectors in 2000. Of the four masses found, Wilton Carvalho bought two, and the National Musuem of Brazil in Rio de Janiero bought two. This is one of Wilton's.I went to Brazil to get this piece and bring it back for cutting. My website price is $2.50 gram, but for list members price is $2.00 gram. Only full slices available at this time. Mike Farmerhttp://www.meteoritehunter.com
[meteorite-list] Meteorite slice of a REAL meteorite
I would class this as a very nice Slice of meteorite and considering the recent flurry of posts by M. Yousef of many bogus wanta be meteoritesyou are charmed and luckyand very entertaining indeed! Keep up the good work! DAve F. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Newspaper, 03-20-1875 Homestead Fall
Hello List, Note the wrong year on the Iowa State press release below. I have copied it as on the paper. The time and date, minus the year, off one year is the same as the Homestead fall, so it appears to be an error, possibly on the papers end). Kinda of a neat story.. Mark Bostick Paper: The Daily Free Press (aka Manitoba Daily Free Press) City:Winnipeg, MD, Canada Date: Saturday, March 20, 1875 Page: 2 (From the Des Moises Register.) A gentleman in this city yesterday, from the vicinity of Red Rock, gives some incidents in the history of the big meteor. Two men from that village were fishing in the river two miles from town, under the shadow of an immense rock. Suddenly the place was lighted up with more than mid-day glow. To the startled fishermen it appeared to rise directly from the water. Terrified almost out of their wits, they hastily abandoned their fishing implements, and struch out for their homes, nor cast one lingering look behind. The meteor crossed the river on its Iuminois way, and next awoke the fears of a farmer between there and Newton. The night was exceedingly cold, and the farmer with three big daughters, was out caring for some swine that hadn't lived long enough to enjoy a blizzard. Each girl had a pig in her apron, and the old man had two in his arms. Suddenly the screaming, blazing meteor appeared. Each damsel thought it was some heavenly visitant, or something from that other place, and dropped the pigs in prayerful haste. The paternal ancestor incontinently played ostrich, running his head into a haystack, leaving the coat-tail part of him to bear the attack of the Evil One. By the time the old man got his nose of hay seed the meteor had passed, and the girls recovered sufficiently to inform him of the fact. The aerial messenger was travelling so near the earth at this time that it clipped off branches from the trees. Below we give a letter from Professor Leonard, of the State University, at Iowa City, giving a description of the fire-ball as it appeared to observers there, and asking for full descriptions by those who saw it from other points: Iowa State University Chair of Mathematics Astronomy Iowa State , Febuary 13, 1874 Editor of the State Register A very large and brilliant fire-ball passed this city at 10:30, Chicago time. Its size apparently half that of the full moon, its course slightly north of west. The fire-ball was accompanied by a long train of light. The color of the ball was compared to that of molten iron, and its tail slightly tinged with green. There were three separate explosions of the fire-ball while it was in view, and after an interval of two or three minutes after its disappearance a report which those who were indoors compared to the noise of a train of cars, and those outside noticed something resembling three discharges of blasts in the quarry. The concussion seems to have been more violent to the west of us, and I entertain hopes that some of the meteorite will be found within the limits of our State. I shall feel greatly obliged to any of your readers who will furnish me an account of any observation they may have made of this meteor. Very truly yours, N. R. Leonard __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: auctions ending and beginning tonight!
- Original Message - From: Michael Cottingham To: Michael Cottingham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: auctions ending and beginning tonight! Hello Everyone, Please check out: http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ Auctions ending tonight and some new ones with "Buy It Now" beginning tonight ...check these after 6:30 pm Pacific time. Some rare ones. Thanks Best Wishes Michael Cottingham
[meteorite-list] who are these people (where do they come from?)
Hi there list. Hey I am having a serious problem. For the last 5 days I have been getting emails from people in africa. They'll give me a couple million if I turn over my bank account numbers, telephone numbers, etc. Who are these people, and where are they getting all this information from. If anyone does what they ask, they will be broke and suckerd bigtime. Please let me know if anyone else is having this problem. steveSteve R. Arnold, Chicago, USA!! The Midwest Meteorite Collector! I.M.C.A. #6728 stormbringer60120.tripod.comDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] who are these people (where do they come from?)
Steve, it is the oldest scam in the book, you give account numbers and they clean out your account. Been on TV a thousand times. - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 5:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] who are these people (where do they come from?) Hi there list. Hey I am having a serious problem. For the last 5 days I have been getting emails from people in africa. They'll give me a couple million if I turn over my bank account numbers, telephone numbers, etc. Who are these people, and where are they getting all this information from. If anyone does what they ask, they will be broke and suckerd bigtime. Please let me know if anyone else is having this problem. steve Steve R. Arnold, Chicago, USA!! The Midwest Meteorite Collector! I.M.C.A. #6728 stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
HI List This is exactly why the findings in New Mexico are a problem. In the past, when bones had been found at and above the K-T Boundary layer, they have, after much analysis, been found to be reworked meaning they were deposited there after being exposed and moved from somewhere else. These bones in New Mexico will most likely prove to be the same, and not deposited at the time of impact as claimed. I believe (I haven't recieved an answer from the author yet) that the fossils will be found to be mixed, dis-articulated and not an indication for extinction as claimed by the press. But this still needs to be checked in the paper itself as the abstract is far to vague and what the abstract covered was the chrono tags for the sandstone/K-T layer, not the fossils themselves. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi - the acid rain generated by the compounds from the soils in the area where the largest chunk hit - Chixulub (sp?) of course, the first thing which happened is that all surface animals with lungs had them ruptured by the blast wave - and then you had global fires, another source of compounds for acid or caustic rains - fossilization requires an undisturbed quiet: environment - and its not likely that anything like that existed anywhere on the Earth after this series of comet fragments impacted - best wishes - ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What acid rain do you refer to? This is an impactor, not a volcanic eruption. Acid rain would have to be supplied with large quantities of nitrous and sulfuric compounds in order to cause any damage. So far as I know, no significant (if any) acid spikes are noted from any deep ice corings for any recent impact event (last 30,000 yrs) so this is not a reason for lack of dinosaur (note that I have never mentioned any other type of fossil bone) fossils close to the K-T Boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision The bones would not have survived the acid rain long enough to be fossilized. Same goes for bones in the process of fossilization. ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. The dinosaurs may have well been on gradual decline prior to the impact, but even if that is the case, that does not contradict their abrupt disappearance at the time of impact. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. I don't find it strange at all that the large animal species at the top of the food chain (ie: dinosaurs) were the most adversely affected by the impact. The smaller species or the more mobile (mammals, birds, reptiles, etc.) had a better chance of survival in the aftermath. A large number of the smaller animals did go extinct as well at the time of the impact, but some were able to survive. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __
[meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Dear List, With the terrable news about Steve and the comment made that he has been looking for meteorites since before Bob, I was wondering who on the list has been collecting meteorites for the longest? Or who knowes someone who has been collecting for a long time -- Steve Schoner, Bob Haig, Russ Kempton. I bought my first meteorite on 05-28-94, actually a gift from my wife, although I did have an interest in them before this time. Alan Gayda __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi Sarah And List I don't know that it hasn't been found in S.A. But South America is the stomping grounds for some top level geologists of many fields, not just paleo. But I do know that the layers in which bone is found has been correlated to those found elsewhere. The problem with an impactor causing a global kill off of dinosaurs is the lack of good evidence. With the exception of this finding in New Mexico, all others to date have proved to be reworked bones, and the New Mexico may well prove in the long run to be so as well. My background is geology (last year at Western Washington University for a bac) and I have followed the dinosaur extinctions for some time now. My personal feeling is that one day, it will all fall together and be seen that mammals will be found to be, once again, the bane of ground nesting animals that lay eggs. This was true for the terror birds of South America and my gut instinct is that it will also be found to be the problem with the dinosaur decline. I feel that egg nests need to be really closely examined for mammal teeth and marks (a hard enough task in itself since they are very small , like the size of a pin head in the early Cretaceous). Not trying to take away from an impactor which, evidence does seem to support, wiped out a very large amount of marine life forms as well as terrestrial life, but birds survived, and thats a crucial item not to be overlooked in a planet killer, since birds are one of the easier forms to kill. And a global covering of acid rain, as suggested, would have harmed birds very easily. It could be that birds (coelursaurs ) could also have had a part in the extinction of dinosaurs. Lots to speculate on, little evidence to date. But, plenty of people who are interested, so one day, I feel there will be some answers, not all, but some. Mark - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi Mark, You do seem to know alot about science. I do not know what your background is... but maybe you would enlighten me? I am curious as to why there has been no K/T found in South America. Is it just that they do not have good geologists, or no one just hasn't figured it out yet. Sarah Jensan Scientifics/ Science Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI List This is exactly why the findings in New Mexico are a problem. In the past, when bones had been found at and above the K-T Boundary layer, they have, after much analysis, been found to be reworked meaning they were deposited there after being exposed and moved from somewhere else. These bones in New Mexico will most likely prove to be the same, and not deposited at the time of impact as claimed. I believe (I haven't recieved an answer from the author yet) that the fossils will be found to be mixed, dis-articulated and not an indication for extinction as claimed by the press. But this still needs to be checked in the paper itself as the abstract is far to vague and what the abstract covered was the chrono tags for the sandstone/K-T layer, not the fossils themselves. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi - the acid rain generated by the compounds from the soils in the area where the largest chunk hit - Chixulub (sp?) of course, the first thing which happened is that all surface animals with lungs had them ruptured by the blast wave - and then you had global fires, another source of compounds for acid or caustic rains - fossilization requires an undisturbed quiet: environment - and its not likely that anything like that existed anywhere on the Earth after this series of comet fragments impacted - best wishes - ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What acid rain do you refer to? This is an impactor, not a volcanic eruption. Acid rain would have to be supplied with large quantities of nitrous and sulfuric compounds in order to cause any damage. So far as I know, no significant (if any) acid spikes are noted from any deep ice corings for any recent impact event (last 30,000 yrs) so this is not a reason for lack of dinosaur (note that I have never mentioned any other type of fossil bone) fossils close to the K-T Boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision The bones would not have survived the acid rain long
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Alan, Since 1960! Thomas H. Webb On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, With the terrable news about Steve and the comment made that he has been looking for meteorites since before Bob, I was wondering who on the list has been collecting meteorites for the longest? Or who knowes someone who has been collecting for a long time -- Steve Schoner, Bob Haig, Russ Kempton. I bought my first meteorite on 05-28-94, actually a gift from my wife, although I did have an interest in them before this time. Alan Gayda __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Allan / List: My vote for the longest person - still running - would be my friend, that fine gentleman in Anacortes WA, David New. Many of the longer members of this list ( I just can't bring myself to say older :) know David. Although well-positioned in the diamond business he still dabbles in an occasional meteorite sale. In any event, I hope that all have sent notes of encouragement to Steve during this difficult time for him and family. He's a good man, always a pleasure to work with. I'm looking forward to his first post back to the List. Darryl, as usual, thanks for keeping us all informed. Best, Russ Kempton New England Meteoritical __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Hi Alan, 1963, that's when I sent my first piece of basalt to Denver. I received a nice card, a couple leaflets, and a copy of When a Comet Strikes the Earth back in the mail. I still have all those items. I quickly stopped collecting basalt so the little book helped. Look forward to hearing from some more of the oldtimers. Jim Tobin [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/21/03 7:38:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector Dear List, With the terrable news about Steve and the comment made that he has been looking for meteorites since before Bob, I was wondering who on the list has been collecting meteorites for the longest? Or who knowes someone who has been collecting for a long time -- Steve Schoner, Bob Haig, Russ Kempton. I bought my first meteorite on 05-28-94, actually a gift from my wife, although I did have an interest in them before this time. Alan Gayda __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Great story!!! Lets hope that other new collectors take heed to it. Mark - Original Message - From: James Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector Hi Alan, 1963, that's when I sent my first piece of basalt to Denver. I received a nice card, a couple leaflets, and a copy of When a Comet Strikes the Earth back in the mail. I still have all those items. I quickly stopped collecting basalt so the little book helped. Look forward to hearing from some more of the oldtimers. Jim Tobin [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/21/03 7:38:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector Dear List, With the terrable news about Steve and the comment made that he has been looking for meteorites since before Bob, I was wondering who on the list has been collecting meteorites for the longest? Or who knowes someone who has been collecting for a long time -- Steve Schoner, Bob Haig, Russ Kempton. I bought my first meteorite on 05-28-94, actually a gift from my wife, although I did have an interest in them before this time. Alan Gayda __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
In a message dated 1/21/2003 9:20:10 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My vote for the longest person - still running - would be my friend, that fine gentleman in Anacortes WA, David New. Many of the "longer" members of this list ( I just can't bring myself to say "older" :) know David. I can think of 2 others who might qualify: Alain Carion Ron Hartman (don't be shy Ron, tell us how long you have been at it). I have had the opportunity to chat on the phone with David New, now I would certainly like to meet him. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[meteorite-list] NEWEST meteorite collectors
Dear List; I gave a two hour lecture this evening at the local library on meteorites and meteorwrongs. I had 65+ folks show up and we all but had to chase them out the door to close the library. I donated a copy of Find A Falling Star to the reference department and gave away a small gibeon piece as a door prize. Does anyone have any current (meaning in the past month or so) on the status of the Old Woman Meteorite? The topic came up and it was noted that it was given back to the original finders, is that so? Newest collector is the guy that bought a gold basin specimen and a moldovite specimen about half an hour ago. Thanks, and look for some southwest Wyoming folks searching your web sites to buy meteorites. I promoted the IMCA web site, and the Cloudbait.com reporting site. Rocks From Space sales should increase after tonight. Very best evening, Dave Freeman IMCA #3864 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
I have been collecting since 1982. I gather that would place me in the slightly newer collectors group. It certainly is a lot of fun and quite educational. Now to get myself to UCLA and see if my find from Greece is an actual meteorite. If so, according to what I have been able to learn, that would make it the second find from Greece. Clear Skies, Frederick Ley IMCA#9181 www.instrumentsoflight.com
[meteorite-list] Way Open for Counties and States to Claim Wilderness Roads
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-me-roads21jan21004430,0,1231428.story?coll=la%2Dheadlines%2Dnation Tuesday, January 21, 2003 LA Times Newspaper COLUMN ONE Bush Opens Way for Counties and States to Claim Wilderness Roads Policy change could allow vehicles into vast areas of wilderness, some in national parks. Critics fear harm by miners, off-roaders and others [read - meteorite hunters]. __ Do you Yahoo!? New DSL Internet Access from SBC Yahoo! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
In a message dated 1/21/2003 10:08:12 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I have been collecting since 1982. I gather that would place me in the slightly newer collectors group. It certainly is a lot of fun and quite educational. Now to get myself to UCLA and see if my find from Greece is an actual meteorite. If so, according to what I have been able to learn, that would make it the second find from Greece. That's right. Only one greek meteorite mentionned in "Meteorites from A to Z": Seres, H4, fell in June 1818 in Kentriki-Makedonia, 1 piece, 8.5kg Best of luck with the second one. Anne Black IMCA #2356 www.IMPACTIKA.com e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Alan, Kicked up my first chunks of rusted iron shale and a couple of small, good nuggets from the Odessa Meteor Crater on a cold, wet, windy day, in March of 1955. 13 years old at the time. Had an unfortunate lapse of interest for a few years, but got back on track about three years ago. Jerry Wallace Odessa, Texas Thomas H. Webb wrote: Alan, Since 1960! Thomas H. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
Oh for Heaven's sake. even I can see this is terrestrial. Why do you persist in spamming the list with this trivial stuff? Just take your many many meteorite samples to your secret expert that you keep telling us about and get him to sort it. I am sure DeRusse (or whatever his name was) can validate your claims. I'm with Matteo - next one from you and you go on my spam list. Well done in being the first individual I have ever had to include on my blocked-email list. You really do not have a clue, do you? All the expertise on this list and you have not taken ONE WORD on board, have you? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] very exciting breccia
Hello Ohh yes, give to mr.BCC and he give to you the complete analysis and exit is a lunar meteoriteI hope mr.BCC close forever the site, is only a liar. Regards Matteo --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh for Heaven's sake. even I can see this is terrestrial. Why do you persist in spamming the list with this trivial stuff? Just take your many many meteorite samples to your secret expert that you keep telling us about and get him to sort it. I am sure DeRusse (or whatever his name was) can validate your claims. I'm with Matteo - next one from you and you go on my spam list. Well done in being the first individual I have ever had to include on my blocked-email list. You really do not have a clue, do you? All the expertise on this list and you have not taken ONE WORD on board, have you? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
hello all I collect meteorites from 6 years, arrive to 541 meteoritesand others in arrive Regards Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List, With the terrable news about Steve and the comment made that he has been looking for meteorites since before Bob, I was wondering who on the list has been collecting meteorites for the longest? Or who knowes someone who has been collecting for a long time -- Steve Schoner, Bob Haig, Russ Kempton. I bought my first meteorite on 05-28-94, actually a gift from my wife, although I did have an interest in them before this time. Alan Gayda __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list = M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.com Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info International Meteorite Collectors Association #2140 MSN Messanger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EBAY.COM:http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
