[meteorite-list] A note from E.T.
Hello list, for years several friends in the world of meteorites have been forwarding the cat fights to me. Without being present on the list I can still remember the good ole' days of Michael Casper fame and this guy who came out of nowhere after buying Ray Meyer's collection for a start-up meteorite business, built his business into something that inspired many to get on-line with Space Rocks and then disappeared into obscurity and the world of coins from where he came, as did David Bowers and Ray Meyers and several other collectors. Over the years I've watched a lot of changes, no matter how tough, they have all been good. I can remember when there were only 6 meteorite dealers on the planet. I can remember 15 years of begging Berbers to keep an eye out for rocks from the sky on their trips back to Algeria and Mauritania and Libya on camel trails to get more fossils to sell at the markets in Morocco. Little did I know that that Zagora in the 1980's or that first 138 kilos of El Hammami Mountains laid out in front of me in the desert in November of 1997, would turn into this wonderful flood of amazing material for all of us to share and enjoy. Little did I know that the first e-mail I received from Dr. Candace Kohl at my office in 1992 on my new IBM 486 computer would turn into this e-market we have today (back then only government employees and institutions even had email). I remember Glenn and Margaret Huss helping me build my slide collection for the meteorite lectures that I did three times a day, three days a week, every week, forty eight shows a year for 12 years from Seattle to San Diego to Tulsa Oklahoma, Salt Lake City, Denver, Tucson and El Paso. It was a hard grind but somebody had to get out there and build my customer base and nobody else was going to do it for me. Besides, I just couldn't see stepping on the toes of those few dealers that were making their livings by putting an advertisement in Sky and Telescope magazine, etc. Good guys have left us, in the science and in the hobby, hopefully good people are following in their foot steps. But with the great change has come an amazing opportunity for all of us to benefit from this time in living history. We have the chance to collect and preserve a mass of educational material for people now and a thousand years from now to enjoy, share, study, lust after and learn from. For all of us this science and hobby is for the fun and pleasure of learning and observing. Collecting these rocks from space and studying them is a dream come true for all of us, a tactile experience of passion for the mind and the soul. Years ago, a book dealer who used to display in Tucson said, are all meteorite dealers pirates?. He was fondly joking about the way we would all cheat lie and fight for the first chance at his books on meteorites and tektites. I thought about it for a minute and said yes, I guess we are, we sail about looking for the next bounty and we all try to beat the other guy to the next treasure, there is no market structure, just sell as you can when and where you can. We lust after these stones as if they were gold and jewels And he said yeah and that's not to say anything about all those knives in the back!. We both laughed at the truth of it. So when my most prolific message forwarding friend lost his job and consequently lost his Internet access to the list, I found myself missing all of the fun, all the cat fights! A wise and wonderful motivational speaker Steve Chandler who used to be a sports writer in Tucson has many times said in his books and lectures Don't get mad, get better. So in the name of fun and science and for the benefit of collectors, students, scientists, teachers, curators and public and private collections everywhere and for all time, keep up the good work everyone. Keep talking and fighting and arguing and laughing and hunting and lusting for more meteorites. Keep looking for the next treasure out there, keep spending your dollars and keep making trades, keep innovating new ways to beat the other guy to the bounty. We will all come and go, for all of us the end of the trail is the same. But these collections that we are building will go on. These specimens are out of the weather and into the hands of curators both amateur and professional. But someday we are all gone and most of these rocks will eventually end up in the hands of science and museums. So all that we do now, good or bad, ends up as good, as long as the specimens never disappear and as long as every specimen is well documented and labeled. John Wasson once said to Ruben and Warren and I, What about the student a thousand years from now?. Think about that people, what we do now effects people a hundred years from now and a thousand years from now. There is a finite amount of material out there. We are in a blossom of historic discovery right now, we are living history that will fill the books of
Re: [meteorite-list] A note from E.T.
Hi all, For those list members who have not had the pleasure of meeting ET in Tucson or his traveling road show, this is one of THE original meteorite dealers. Talk about NWA ET brought out El Hammami through the mountains on sweating camels way back when - way before Dean Bessey (arguably The King of NWA) ever smashed out his first Bessey Speck. ET was the first dealer from whom I bought meteorites when I started collecting and has always, especially in the beginning, been a major source of material for me as a dealer as well as being generous with information. He is also a most pleasant individual to hang out with at any show and conversations really do tend to run as deep as his words of wisdom presented below. Best wishes, Michael on 4/1/04 12:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, for years several friends in the world of meteorites have been forwarding the cat fights to me. Without being present on the list I can still remember the good ole' days of Michael Casper fame and this guy who came out of nowhere after buying Ray Meyer's collection for a start-up meteorite business, built his business into something that inspired many to get on-line with Space Rocks and then disappeared into obscurity and the world of coins from where he came, as did David Bowers and Ray Meyers and several other collectors. Over the years I've watched a lot of changes, no matter how tough, they have all been good. I can remember when there were only 6 meteorite dealers on the planet. I can remember 15 years of begging Berbers to keep an eye out for rocks from the sky on their trips back to Algeria and Mauritania and Libya on camel trails to get more fossils to sell at the markets in Morocco. Little did I know that that Zagora in the 1980's or that first 138 kilos of El Hammami Mountains laid out in front of me in the desert in November of 1997, would turn into this wonderful flood of amazing material for all of us to share and enjoy. Little did I know that the first e-mail I received from Dr. Candace Kohl at my office in 1992 on my new IBM 486 computer would turn into this e-market we have today (back then only government employees and institutions even had email). I remember Glenn and Margaret Huss helping me build my slide collection for the meteorite lectures that I did three times a day, three days a week, every week, forty eight shows a year for 12 years from Seattle to San Diego to Tulsa Oklahoma, Salt Lake City, Denver, Tucson and El Paso. It was a hard grind but somebody had to get out there and build my customer base and nobody else was going to do it for me. Besides, I just couldn't see stepping on the toes of those few dealers that were making their livings by putting an advertisement in Sky and Telescope magazine, etc. Good guys have left us, in the science and in the hobby, hopefully good people are following in their foot steps. But with the great change has come an amazing opportunity for all of us to benefit from this time in living history. We have the chance to collect and preserve a mass of educational material for people now and a thousand years from now to enjoy, share, study, lust after and learn from. For all of us this science and hobby is for the fun and pleasure of learning and observing. Collecting these rocks from space and studying them is a dream come true for all of us, a tactile experience of passion for the mind and the soul. Years ago, a book dealer who used to display in Tucson said, are all meteorite dealers pirates?. He was fondly joking about the way we would all cheat lie and fight for the first chance at his books on meteorites and tektites. I thought about it for a minute and said yes, I guess we are, we sail about looking for the next bounty and we all try to beat the other guy to the next treasure, there is no market structure, just sell as you can when and where you can. We lust after these stones as if they were gold and jewels And he said yeah and that's not to say anything about all those knives in the back!. We both laughed at the truth of it. So when my most prolific message forwarding friend lost his job and consequently lost his Internet access to the list, I found myself missing all of the fun, all the cat fights! A wise and wonderful motivational speaker Steve Chandler who used to be a sports writer in Tucson has many times said in his books and lectures Don't get mad, get better. So in the name of fun and science and for the benefit of collectors, students, scientists, teachers, curators and public and private collections everywhere and for all time, keep up the good work everyone. Keep talking and fighting and arguing and laughing and hunting and lusting for more meteorites. Keep looking for the next treasure out there, keep spending your dollars and keep making trades, keep innovating new ways to beat the other guy to the bounty. We will all come and go,
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
Hi Pierre-Marie All, Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed solution: 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to function on automatic. 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient in allowing room for a self correcting forum to allow people to straiten out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been even suspended and only a few have been banished. And believe me, they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that. 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an ongoing string of email addresses and continue to contaminate the water. (an example of this took place in just the last hour or so). So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either). Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the dog fight for what it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things get nasty, - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical solution! - DELETE Best wishes, Michael on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to the list. I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these signs out (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this way. 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my opinion, it's due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They were private messages that should have been sent directly to the members and not on the list. 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art !) would read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content is offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose object is about meteorites and not about meteorite guys. Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Message from Mark Bostic
Hello, Rosie and the list, that´s really great, who will be the next? The list have now lost a great part of the information, and for what? Childish arque from the place the sun doesn´t shine...if this kind of a phrase can be accepted. Think there are members on the list, who should get a life. But it´s sad to notice, those who want really to do that, have to unsubscribe... best, pekka s Rosemary Hackney wrote: Hmmm.. Too early for April Fool's Day. So.. I see the Idiots have won. Now Michael Farmer and Mark Bostick are both gone. I hope you are proud of your whining. I guess it brought about whatever change that you wanted accomplished. When all else fails.. play the Race card.. It is a sure winner... So now.. we are deprived of Mike's expertise and Mark's ability to share information Because of petty bickering and jealousy. Don't feel like it was a major accomplishment. I think Mark subscribes to my philosophyIt is more productive to spend fleeting time on things that are enjoyable than to argue with a sign post that has already made up its closed mind. After all.. What have you accomplished by besting a FOOL? Rosie __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dronino
The first pieces were terrible, I have one 100 grams piece in the riker-box, and it´s pure shale and dust now, it´s one of the first pieces came tothe market after the found. The more new ones purached from Finmet are quite stable, don´t know exact, what´s the method Ivan uses to satbilise them, but they seem to stay in a good condition. I have had a polished end- cut on my desk several months without any marks of rust. The price of Dronino is quite low, so to me it seems worth to buy a piece, it´s a quite interresting one. But you have to check, you are buying a stabilised piece, not one of the first catastrophes...;- best, pekka s [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I've considered Dronino since it was first offered. The original seller pulled no punches and pointed out how perishable it is. Boiled it in oil and recommended storing in oil or grease. Has anyone tried the lye treatment on it yet with positive results? Speaking from the viewpoint of the average collector, is it worth buying or is it as objectionable as Nantan? Thanks, Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Edwin Thompson (E.T.)
Most of the people on the list probably never have met Edwin Thompson (E.T.) this man has really never has been given the recognition due. He has collected and sold meteorites before Robert Haag and remembers the day Robert Haag started collecting.He has been silent in the background making it all happen the whole time.Theman who sold Robert the Esquel wasactually on his way to sell it to Edwin when Robert bought it. How many of you knew that!I don't think I have met afiner individualas a person, I'm sure you will all agree. He is truly the collectors, collector and has been from the very start. Tim Heitz
Re: [meteorite-list] Dronino
Hi I bought a egg size whole Dronino on Ebay a few months back. Meteorite was in nice condition. I have done nothing special to it, sits on the shelve with the others. So far no problems at all. I liveless tha ahalf mile from the ocean in Maine, the salt air causes me problems with others but so far not this one. EdPekka Savolainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The first pieces were terrible, I have one 100 grams piece in theriker-box, and it´s pure shale and dust now, it´s one of the firstpieces came tothe market after the found.The more new ones purached from Finmet are quite stable, don´tknow exact, what´s the method Ivan uses to satbilise them, butthey seem to stay in a good condition. I have had a polished end-cut on my desk several months without any marks of rust.The price of Dronino is quite low, so to me it seems worth tobuy a piece, it´s a quite interresting one. But you have to check,you are buying a stabilised piece, not one of the first catastrophes...;-best,pekka s[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi,I've considered Dronino since it was first offered. The original seller pulled no punches and pointed out how perishable it is. Boiled it in oil and recommended storing in oil or grease. Has anyone tried the lye treatment on it yet with positive results? Speaking from the viewpoint of the average collector, is it worth buying or is it as objectionable as Nantan?Thanks,Bill Kieskowski __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listDo you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today
[meteorite-list] Re: A Note From E.T.
Good Post Edwin and welcome to the list! My best, Thomas (Another old-timer)Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today
Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorites?
Thanks Gregory, I had no idea there were that many in Texas! Are a lot of these Nininger finds? Knowing this, I would not want anyone to write this list for me, I was thinking there was only a few. : ) Thanks, Tom peregrineflier Proudest member of the YMCA # OU812 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Texas meteorites? [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If I has Meteorite's from A to Z, I would not ask, but I don't so I am, : ) Can someone give me a list of Texas meteorites? Meteorites A-Z lists some 286 of them, so by the time someone organized them all into a list-reply, you might have had time to order and receive a copy. ;-) Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 USA (310) 913-2598 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A note from E.T.
Hi Edwin and all, Good to see you on the list here. I am sure we can learn a few things (if not a lot) from your past experiences. Like a number of people on the list, I have had the honor of dealing with you in the past and even with in the last few months. While on the subject, another list member (if he is still on the list) Philip M. Bagnall is an old timer and certainly has much to offer. In the past he had a group called the, Society of Meteoriteophiles which was based in the United Kingdom. Before Meteorite Magazine, there was another magazine called Impact. I joined this society late in 1991 and was able to subscribe to the magazine, which at that time carry much needed information about meteorites and meteorite collecting. Philip Bagnall (for those not familiar) wrote the book The Meteorite and Tektite Collector's Handbook a practical guide to collecting at that time (before the internet was hot). There are many other great people of the past who have done so much for collecting and as mentioned Blaine Reed is one of them who many of us are indebted to. Not to still the wind out of Edwin's sail here as I for one am very glad to see him aboard. It might be fun to revisit the past and tell a little about what was going on and who and so forth. Guess it is why I like to write about Nininger here on the list. Well nuff said and look forward to your posts Edwin!! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Double Whammy Link To Dinosaur Extinctions
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3582767.stm Double whammy link to extinctions By Paul Rincon BBC News April 1, 2004 The chances that asteroid impacts and huge bouts of volcanism coincide randomly to cause mass extinctions may be greater than previously imagined. UK researchers conducted statistical tests to determine the probability of such catastrophic events happening at the same time in Earth history. They found massive releases of lava and space collisions should have overlapped three times in the last 300 million years. Details will be published in a future issue of the geological journal Lithos. The work has been done by Dr Rosalind White and Professor Andy Saunders of the University of Leicester. The probabilities they calculated assumed there was no causal link between the two phenomena - that impacts from space did not set off the volcanism. Smoking guns Flood basalts, as the term suggests, are formed by massive outpourings of lava from beneath the Earth. Hundreds of thousands of cubic km of material can be spewed on to the surface in short geological timescales. These eruptions have, like space impacts, been blamed for some of Earth's mass extinctions due to the environmental changes they may trigger. The Leicester authors contend that because impacts and flood basalts occur more frequently than mass extinctions, it is unlikely the two phenomena bring about mass extinctions on their own. However, mass extinctions may be triggered when the two events occur together, they argue. There is evidence of both phenomena happening at the same time 65 million years ago, when the dinosaurs disappeared from the fossil record. The impact that created the 180km-wide impact crater at Chicxulub in Mexico is generally thought to have played a major part in this extinction. But some scientists think the flood basalts known as the Deccan Traps in India are an alternative smoking gun. The gases released in this volcanic event would have resulted in major climate changes. Impact trigger Firstly, the Leicester researchers determined the probability that a flood basalt would coincide with a Chicxulub-sized crater. They found the probability of this happening at least once over a period of 300 million years was 57%. Once the researchers reduced the size of the impact slightly, the probabilities increased sharply. For craters exceeding 100km, the probability of at least three co-occurrences between flood basalts and impacts was 46%. For craters exceeding 60km, the probability of three or more was 97%. The researchers point out that impacts and flood basalt volcanism have been implicated in three major mass extinctions in the past. Some researchers, such as Professor David Price, of University College London, argue that asteroid impacts can themselves bring on catastrophic volcanism. Professor Price says there is geochemical evidence to suggest an impactor started the Siberian trap flood basalts, which are associated with the end-Permian mass extinction 251 million years ago. I wouldn't be very convinced by the robustness of any statistical analysis when you're dealing with just half a dozen events in the last billion years, Professor Price told BBC News Online. 'Kill mechanism' He also points to evidence uncovered by Professor Mike Coffin, of the University of Texas at Austin, which shows the Ontong Java Plateau - a submarine flood basalt in the western Pacific Ocean thought to be the world's largest - was initiated by the impact of a 20km object from space. The Leicester researchers say the idea of impacts causing massive volcanism is interesting, but no causal link has been proven. In the case of the Ontong Java Plateau, we would expect such a large impact to have left lots of signs in the geological record, but none have been found, Dr White said. Professor Tony Hallam, of the University of Birmingham, commented: The idea that [flood basalts and impacts] could be purely coincidental is rather a negative one - a null hypothesis - but it strikes me as quite reasonable. Dr White and Professor Saunders propose in their paper that the kill mechanisms associated with flood basalts or impacts by themselves are not sufficiently powerful to cause the worldwide collapse of ecosystems - a point disputed by many other scientists. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Selling Tsarev
Title: Nachricht Hi, for those interested: I am selling off a nice 6.2g slice of Tsarev to the highest bidder (bid what you want to pay including sh). Nothing too spectacular, but before I waste it on Austrian ebay, I thought I'll try it here. If this is inappropriate for the list, please let me know and I will not repeat my mistake. Bernhard
[meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Hello Folks, Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and then for Meteorite Exchange for one year. One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing. Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost! Fred Hall / Meteorhall
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise. Let's face it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have, however I do have a suggestion. This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA, all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information. I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so how about a plan for the future: Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords. Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year. The list maintains free read-only access for everyone. The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again. Period. Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings and if it continues, ditto. I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the people that have left (and missed) will come back. Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so perhaps he could respond with his opinion. Regards, CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out Hi Pierre-Marie All, Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed solution: 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to function on automatic. 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient in allowing room for a self correcting forum to allow people to straiten out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been even suspended and only a few have been banished. And believe me, they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that. 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an ongoing string of email addresses and continue to contaminate the water. (an example of this took place in just the last hour or so). So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either). Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the dog fight for what it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things get nasty, - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical solution! - DELETE Best wishes, Michael on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to the list. I don't want to sign out myself but I'm very afraid that all these signs out (Mike and Mark) will lead the list to die itself if it continues this way. 1. So we have to think out to the cause of this problem : in my opinion, it's due to the personal attacks and messages sent to the members. They were private messages that should have been sent directly to the members and not on the list. 2. The solution : My solution would be that the moderator (Hello Art !) would read each incoming message and refuse all the messages whose content is offensive for a list member. This way, we'll only get messages whose object is about meteorites and not about meteorite guys. Pierre-Marie PELE www.meteor-center.com -- Faites un voeu et puis Voila ! www.voila.fr __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Dear List; I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would intentionally hurt no one. I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own sock-rince-water! Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low mental intellect. No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't ever get a joke. Sad indeed! Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah? I heard that Oprah likes meteorites too! Good call Fred! Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Folks, Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and then for Meteorite Exchange for one year. One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing. Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost! Fred Hall / Meteorhall __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: AW: New Mars Meteorites (DAG 1037, NWA 2046, SAU 130)
Hi Ron, Eric, and List, Another correction has to be made regarding SaU 130. According to my information the TKW of this find is 278 grams. SaU 130 is comprised of four individual stones, with the 116 grams stone being the largest of the group. Just thought I should pass this along. Ah yes, and before I forget to mention it - I have a specimen of DaG 1037 in my collection, and to me it's pretty obvious that DaG 1037 is another pairing of the DaG olivine-phyric shergottite grouplet. It should be regarded paired with DaG 476, 489, etc., and it's surely no new Martian meteorite. Thanks for the update. I've updated the weight info for SAU 130. Also, Tony Irving also understands that DAG 1037 is paired with the other DAGs. The Mars meteorite count remains at 30. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Neuschwanstein main mass found
Hi all, a mediate rusted specimen with a weight of 5,460.10 grams was found in March 2003 after snow melting period on Austrian territory in the alpine mountains. Scientists are now discussing the name of the meteorite. Like the difference between plutinos and planets here it is the same. Difference between Austrian or German meteorite. This is reasonable as the recently found (present) main mass of 5460 grams was found on Austrian territory. You will read more on this topic in the next few days. Stay tuned ! best wishes from Austria, Christian IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of www.Meteoryt.net Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 6:38 PM Cc: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] ZAKLODZIE [E-ungr] pre christmass SALE Hello All I want to offer this time Zaklodzie, first enstatite achondrite from Poland. Only tooday I offer this excelent rare meteorite in price 10$/g for all list members. For more information please open my page at www.polandmet.com thank all [ MARCIN CIMALA ][ GG 4742912 ] http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 ~~[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]~~ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Neuschwanstein meteorite
Scientists are now discussing the name of the meteorite. Twinkle, twinkle, little star, are you from Germany or from Austria? Fortunately, Christian himself, called it Neuschwanstein in his subject line, because this is the name that will stick - no matter whether this E-chondrite fell on this side or on that side of the borderline. So let's call it a joint Austro-German meteorite fall :-) Best wishes, Bernd .. in love with his fully crusted, regmaglypted, 194-gram Gao individual that exhibits delicate flow marks and flat surfaces nearly at right angles to each other. I purchased it from Michael Cottingham and I am very glad I did ! Now, wait a minute, is it a Gao or a Guenie ;-) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sale: Last of the Franconias!
Hello again list members! I now have9300 grams left of Franconia meteorites ( 9 stones) that I wish to sell quickly. I have weeded out my lesser quality more inexpensive stones and what I have left are only the higher quality pieces. I have decided to sell all stones remaining as one lot.If you are interested, please make what you feel is a reasonable offer for this entire lot of stones, but first email meprivately and I will send you a list of the 9 stones and photos. I will sell to the first reasonable offer I get. You may be surprised! My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Also, I hope everyone got to read the recent post by Edwin Thompson, E.T. I have always had a great deal of respect for this man and feel that he is certainly a very valuable asset to the entire meteorite community. After you read his post, I am certain you will agree. We definitely need more people with this man's attitude and outlook on the hobby in general. Thanks E.T.!, Jack Schrader
[meteorite-list] 1 April - Zaklodzie sale
OK, in Poland is now 1:00 AM 02 april. Many of You was interested to buy pieces of Zaklodzie in promotion price but unfortunatelly this was a joke. Yes, 1 april joke. I hope noone will be serious angry :-) I waiting for any joke on met-list but nothing happend, so I decide to make one myself. But for sure my price for Zaklodzie are lowest in internet, so You can't make better deal somewhere else. === And now true advertise. On sunday (tomorrow) I will offer on my page new meteorites. Everything cut in 1-2mm thin full slices and with verry attractive prices. NWA1839 [L7] first and only one that meteorite type NWA 801 [CR2] Ouzina [R4] Pultusk [H5] Peas New L3 and LL3.4 meteorite === So I again want to say sorry to all for that joke :) [ MARCIN CIMALA ][ GG 4742912 ] http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 ~~[ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ]~~ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
Dear Charles and all, I would like to respectfully disagree - strongly. The list has worked just fine FOR YEARS - yes, we have had to put up with some real nonsense, BUT THERE IS A DELETE BUTTON. This reminds me of politicians who always want to make amendments to the constitution. It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with the position, amending the constitution is almost always a very bad idea at best. Leave the damned thing alone - it is the basis of the greatest country known throughout history - and no, this country is NOT perfect - just as this list is not perfect. But let's don't go dorkin' with it! Besides, it is Art's baby and no one but Art can do ANYTHING with it. To all our benefit, Art has ALWAYS demonstrated a non-reactionary position toward the list. (THANK YOU, Art!) Best wishes to all, Michael on 4/1/04 12:09 PM, Charles Viau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise. Let's face it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have, however I do have a suggestion. This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA, all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information. I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so how about a plan for the future: Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords. Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year. The list maintains free read-only access for everyone. The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again. Period. Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings and if it continues, ditto. I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the people that have left (and missed) will come back. Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so perhaps he could respond with his opinion. Regards, CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out Hi Pierre-Marie All, Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed solution: 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to function on automatic. 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient in allowing room for a self correcting forum to allow people to straiten out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been even suspended and only a few have been banished. And believe me, they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that. 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an ongoing string of email addresses and continue to contaminate the water. (an example of this took place in just the last hour or so). So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either). Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the dog fight for what it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things get nasty, - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical solution! - DELETE Best wishes, Michael on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to the list. I don't want to
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out
Dear Charles and all, I would like to respectfully disagree - strongly. The list has worked just fine FOR YEARS - yes, we have had to put up with some real nonsense, BUT THERE IS A DELETE BUTTON. This reminds me of politicians who always want to make amendments to the constitution. It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with the position, amending the constitution is almost always a very bad idea at best. Leave the damned thing alone - it is the basis of the greatest country known throughout history - and no, this country is NOT perfect - just as this list is not perfect. But let's don't go dorkin' with it! Besides, it is Art's baby and no one but Art can do ANYTHING with it. To all our benefit, Art has ALWAYS demonstrated a non-reactionary position toward the list. (THANK YOU, Art!) Best wishes to all, Michael on 4/1/04 12:09 PM, Charles Viau at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is just my 2 cents, but the content of this list is so bothersome lately that I feel that it is the precursor of its demise. Let's face it; any entity that tries to govern itself without enforced regulations just does not work any more in this electronic society. The net has changed forever. I certainly do not have the credentials like some who post to this list, nor have I been here for the time that they have, however I do have a suggestion. This is the premier meteorite board on the net. Perhaps, it should now be treated with the respect it deserves. Thousands of professionals and amateurs alike visit and post to it. There are people here from NASA, all the great colleges and universities, scientists, most major dealers... and of course the casual person just looking for information. I agree that a moderator that donates their time and resources cannot justify active moderations. Without Art, this list would not exist, so how about a plan for the future: Art moves the list to a web platform. There are some great, secure web based message board apps available out there. The board charges dues to people who post to the list. They are assigned individual passwords. Lets say, an unqualified sum of $5.00 per year. The list maintains free read-only access for everyone. The dues pay for the web related expenses and the services of a full-time moderator that Art can hire who filters the content to meteorites only. Any personal attacks, offensive post or spam, you lose your password, forfeit your dues and are never allowed to post again. Period. Other content deemed inappropriate, moderator gives warnings and if it continues, ditto. I think that if this is done, the list will flourish and some of the people that have left (and missed) will come back. Again, just a suggestion, and I do not know how Art feels about that, so perhaps he could respond with his opinion. Regards, CharlyV -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael L Blood Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 4:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list sign out Hi Pierre-Marie All, Well said, BUT there are 3 MAJOR problems with your proposed solution: 1) Art is good enough to sponsor this list, but HARDLY ANY LIVING HUMAN would have the time to screen every post! This list is set up to function on automatic. 2) While Art has outlined very clear and sane rules, he is very patient in allowing room for a self correcting forum to allow people to straiten out when they get out of line. Only a hand full of people have ever been even suspended and only a few have been banished. And believe me, they ALL blatantly violated rules over a period of time to manage that. 3) Even when Art does eject a chronic offender, if they have no scruples or respect for self and others they can simply re-register using an ongoing string of email addresses and continue to contaminate the water. (an example of this took place in just the last hour or so). So, the most effective method BY FAR of dealing with people who attack and name call and use obscenities is to 1) ignore them under any and all circumstances and/or 2) write them OFF LIST if you feel you MUST RESPOND. Any response on list is like trying to put out a fire with buckets of gasoline! (3- Praying for them won't hurt, either). Of course, you can also assume the attitude expressed by ET, and which, on SOME occasions I have done - enjoy the dog fight for what it is - humans acting out their weaknesses sometimes it can be viewed as truly comical. However, I find that difficult when things get nasty, - especially when such dynamics can lead to contributors such as Bernd leaving the list, but even then there is a magical solution! - DELETE Best wishes, Michael on 3/31/04 9:59 PM, Pierre-Marie PELE at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello to the list. I don't want to
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Comments like this are an obvious attempt to keep it all rollling. I shut up, why don't you? Bill Kieskowski Dear List; I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would intentionally hurt no one. I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own sock-rince-water! Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low mental intellect. No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't ever get a joke. Sad indeed! Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah? I heard that Oprah likes meteorites too! Good call Fred! Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Folks, Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and then for Meteorite Exchange for one year. One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing. Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost! Fred Hall / Meteorhall __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
If you're so proud of yourself you should post the last private email you sent me, David. You have my permission. Bill Kieskowski One more, if you could see the two dozen emails I have received congratulating me on my post in support of Fred and Mark, you would leave the list. You have no friends here. DF [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Comments like this are an obvious attempt to keep it all rollling. I shut up, why don't you? Bill Kieskowski Dear List; I agree with Fred, Mark is a great guy and would intentionally hurt no one. I think that Mr. Bill has been drinking too much of his own sock-rince-water! Oh, and who was that that played the race card? I think that was on about the same level of stupidity. Shame when meteorites come around to the dregs of society, and those of very low mental intellect. No one wins then. It will be a sad and dry world when all cartoonists and comedians are outlawed by stupid people that don't ever get a joke. Sad indeed! Who will these pathetic losers pick on next, Oprah? I heard that Oprah likes meteorites too! Good call Fred! Dave Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Folks, Fred Hall here, meteorite collector, dealer and cartoonist. I've taken a year off from drawing meteorite related cartoons because of the threat of a law suit towards the Meteorite Exchange (not for any cartoons, however.) I've been thinking of starting up again. I drew meteorite cartoons for the now defunct mag Voyage! for two years and then for Meteorite Exchange for one year. One of my favorite sections of the Rocky Mountain News is the comics. Sometimes I don't enjoy certain comics, but I realize that I have my own sense of humor, it is not all encompassing. Mark's cartoonist is a famous artist (in the cartoon world) and he knows that not every toon he draws is going to be a hit, some may even upset a small percentage of folks. SO WHAT! No artist can please everyone, nor should they ever try! Bill K., if you are still on this list, Get A Life! Get Real, OR Get Lost! Fred Hall / Meteorhall __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Uncool? Who are you? Wavy Gravy? Bill Kieskowski ---BeginMessage--- Highly, HIGHLY uncool to post a private email. It's really the cardinal sin ofthe list. It does tend to put a listee's morals and ethics on full public display though. I'd like an apology, please. Gregory _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'd rather not but you certainly will do as you please.From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you should post the last private email you sent me, David Then it wouldn't be private, now would it? Tomorrow let's go over the days of the week. GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598 ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
You are are a nut. Bill Kieskowski ---BeginMessage--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you can't incite me to the level of vulgarity you have been sending me, low level moron that I am. Do you REALLY not understand the difference between public and private correspondence? If these multiple posts of PRIVATE material constitute a violation of list-rules,I would vote for Art to take action. If it's not a violation, it should be. Perhaps it's time for everyone to fold the list-tent. Congrats, Bill. You may be in the process of accomplishing whatJoel Warren failed. That's saying something. GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598 ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] STOP, please
Dear Mr Kieskowski, Please stop now. Everyone else, perhaps if everyone stops addressing Mr. Kieskowski on the list he will stop posting. Thanks, Michael on 4/1/04 6:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Uncool? Who are you? Wavy Gravy? Bill Kieskowski -- When Jesus said Love your enemies I think he probably meant don't kill them. Anonymous -- For perspective, try THIS: http://micro.magnet.fsu.edu/primer/java/scienceopticsu/powersof10/index.html -- cool message fro Ben Jerry: www.TrueMajority.org/oreo -- AMAZING photos of Aurora Borealis, etc. http://faculty.rmwc.edu/tmichalik/atmosphere.htm -- Hubble space telescope - AMAZING photos!: http://wires.news.com.au/special/mm/030811-hubble.htm -- http://www.costofwar.com/ -- SUPPORT OUR TROUPS: http://www.takebackthemedia.com/onearmy.html -- Worth Seeing: Earth at night from satellite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg -- - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm -- Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Wow, is this a meteorite list or a forum for whining and grade school bickering? Frankly i'm tired of being flooded with rantings on a subject which should have died out days ago. Devin - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 7:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon You are are a nut. Bill Kieskowski __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] recent posts
Ok, Enough is enough , 2 prominent people have left the list and I am sure that many are to follow suit. Stop this childish garbage now. This list is not here for people to iron out their dirty laundry in public. I usually don't post much but this has just got way out of hand, causing people to leave this list and I may be next . There is plenty of stressful things in this world and reading this list posts shouldn't be one of them. IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING POSITIVE TO POST TO THE LIST , PLEASE KEEP IT TO YOURSELF !!! Best Regards to all, Steven Drummond
[meteorite-list] Fw: [MeteoriteCollectors] Please end the mudslings
It saddens me that at a time I am doing the most I have ever done, energy and time wise, to promote meteorite interest, I may at the same time did more damage then I could ever imagine. To members of the meteorite-central list, many of you good friends of mine, please send the senseless slings of e-mail. Thank you to those that have voiced positive opinions about me, but please respect my desire to adjust to what is better for me at the moment. My love for meteorites will likely never end and I will not be going far. Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com My permission is given to post this on the meteorite central list if it is so desired. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] -- -- Yahoo! Groups Links a.. To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/MeteoriteCollectors/ b.. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] c.. Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] All of this stuff
Hello all - Some of you sellers know me, as I've bought from you over the past years. Others don't know me, of course. I've never posted before. But now - really, folks - I'd just like to pick up some info about meteorites. I'm just a collector who wants to know more. I've so enjoyed seeing Bernd Pauli's messages over the past few weeks. To be honest, I did enjoy all of the to-and-fro with Matteo a bit. It was a hoot reading his fractured English! But now things seem to have gotten out of hand. People who want to bicker should feel free to - privately. All of this posting to the entire list suggests generals trying to rally troops to their side. I'm not quite ready to unsubscribe, but I'm a half-step from it. Please, people: I can't believe that I'm alone in this. Bush vs. Kerry is one thing, but Mark vs. Bill is another. How about some new NWA info instead? Best wishes to all (sincerely), Chris Rouse
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Steve, I'll answer you off list. Thanks Bill Hi bill.I have kept silent till now.I am the only one outside of mike fowler to meet you.I think you are a pretty good guy, but man, what shit have you brought on this list?Could you please tell me WHY you find this cartoon so upsetting?To me I think it was kind of funny,but I did not make a big stink about it.I have met a lot of these people from the list.AND THEY ARE ALL GOOD PEOPLE.I just want to know what about that stupid cartoon that could have set you off, and keep making you keep feuling the fire about it.It is only a cartoon.I do not have the greatest love for alot of black people.That is just who I am, but come on, a cartoon?Lets keep this crap off this list.LET IT GO!We have lost 2 very prominent people from this list.I hope they decide to come back soon.I do not let this SHIT bother me.Life is to short to get buried into bullshit crap.I love this hobby and no one on this putrid planet will ever make ne think otherwise. steve arnold, chicago --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You are are a nut. Bill Kieskowski ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To:[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon Date:Fri, 2 Apr 2004 02:42:00 + [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you can't incite me to the level of vulgarity you have been sending me, low level moron that I am. Do you REALLY not understand the difference between public and private correspondence? If these multiple posts of PRIVATE material constitute a violation of list-rules, I would vote for Art to take action. If it's not a violation, it should be. Perhaps it's time for everyone to fold the list-tent. Congrats, Bill. You may be in the process of accomplishing what Joel Warren failed. That's saying something. Gregory J. Gregory Wilson 2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403 USA (310) 913-2598 = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway http://promotions.yahoo.com/design_giveaway/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
Dear List... I apologize to anyone I may have distressed by my posts. I stand by my opinions..but I did not mean to stress everyone by sustaining a useless battle. I doubt I will post again for awhile Rosie - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon Would it have been much to make a public apology? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Frozen Meteorite Finds...MUST READ !
Dear List, I've always been fascinated with the concept that rocks in space are usually in a frozen condition when in their natural state in space. For the most part that changes when they fall to Earth and become meteorites. That is ...while they are in space they are often frozen due to their average distance from the Sun, the coldness of the vacuum of space, etc. until they fall to Earth. We have other examples of finding and maintaining frozen meteorite samples from the ice fields of Antarctica, and the famous fall of the carbonaceous CI(Tagish Lake) that fell into snow on a frozen lake in Canada...and was picked right away by a witness who fortunately had the idea of freezing them right away. Then there is the concept of frozen carbonaceous dirt balls possibly making up our comets is being evaluated right now by one of NASA's probes. Recently I was surfing the net for more information about meteorites in a frozen condition and I reviewed several good sites about Antarctica, Tagish Lake and the like. At the same time I also came up with another interesting link that may have some merit when looking for new sources of meteorites...as in frozen ones. I'm somewhat skeptical but the facts seem to support the theory presented. I've posted an interesting link on finding frozen meteorites that you all should read. http://www.spacenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/04_88723.htm Any feedback would be enjoyed by this connoisseur of pristine frozen meteorites. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Frozen Meteorite Finds...MUST READ !
Hi all, I've thought about that process a lot. Frozen in space, well not frozen but colder anyway and going through the ablation process so intensely that it never heats or cools internally. The ice cube fresh out of the furnace that just lost mass as it was explained to me. Fascinated me from the first time I heard it. Bill Kieskowski Dear List, I've always been fascinated with the concept that rocks in space are usually in a frozen condition when in their natural state in space. For the most part that changes when they fall to Earth and become meteorites. That is ...while they are in space they are often frozen due to their average distance from the Sun, the coldness of the vacuum of space, etc. until they fall to Earth. We have other examples of finding and maintaining frozen meteorite samples from the ice fields of Antarctica, and the famous fall of the carbonaceous CI(Tagish Lake) that fell into snow on a frozen lake in Canada...and was picked right away by a witness who fortunately had the idea of freezing them right away. Then there is the concept of frozen carbonaceous dirt balls possibly making up our comets is being evaluated right now by one of NASA's probes. Recently I was surfing the net for more information about meteorites in a frozen condition and I reviewed several good sites about Antarctica, Tagish Lake and the like. At the same time I also came up with another interesting link that may have some merit when looking for new sources of meteorites...as in frozen ones. I'm somewhat skeptical but the facts seem to support the theory presented. I've posted an interesting link on finding frozen meteorites that you all should read. http://www.spacenews.netfirms.com/news_stories/04_88723.htm Any feedback would be enjoyed by this connoisseur of pristine frozen meteorites. John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] new martian meteorite DaG 1037
Hi all, I recently got a sample of the new DaG 1037 As you all may know, yesterday's announcement of the MetBull 88 brought up this new mars. Great thing ! It has features which you don't have in other Dag 476 etc. meteorites It is a spectacular Martian Meteorite with glassy - almost translucent appearance! This is the center piece - the missing link - of the DaG Shergottites! - It seems to origin from the exact zone where the asteroid has hit the surface of the Red Planet! Erich sells it at www.mars.li ! He states that prices will increase although it is a big meteorite. Who knows Erich knows he means (serious) what he says. best regards from Austria, Christian PS: Neuschwanstein main mass finding report was made on April 1st ;-) IMCA #2673 www.austromet.com Ing. Christian ANGER Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites and Children's Smiles
Hello List, I decided that this is the most appropriate time to tell a wonderful story from my African expedition in December with Grep Hupe and Dr. Tony Irving. One afternoon we were visiting with a very nicefamilylooking atsome of the meteorites that they had for sale.One of the meteorite specimens they had displayed some great eye appeal, ok it was really more WOW appeal.Well the three of us were outside using the sun as a more natural light source to try and see if we could determine what this specimen was. We stood out among the local people andall the childrenwanted to come around and see what we were doing. Some of the young boys recognized that were looking at ROCKS, and I am sure they thought we were rather crazy. Well this group of boys decided to pick up rocks off of the ground and they were using the top off of a broken glass soda bottle to examine their rocks a little more closely just as we were using a magnifying loop to examine our ROCKS. I guess what this story saysis that sometimes when you stand out from the crowd it is important to be careful what you are doing because others may try and be like you. Or it may just be a great example of a future planetary geologist learning that not all rocks are from earth. Take Care, Jason Phillips Rocks From Heaven
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon
What private mail did I post??? ---BeginMessage--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll answer you off list. after postingsomeone else'sprivate correspondence yet again. I've never met anyone so willing to broadcast his own cowardice. Fascinating. You might peruse the list rules.#3 especially. Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites Be courteous and professional at all times Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box Send emails in text format, not -HTML- Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a file link Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references- Do not post -major advertisement- emails to the list - include a 'sale' link If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Lights Observed Over England
Title: Nachricht I moderate two forums lists. One is open-ended as Meteorite-list. (no restriction on posting, but forum ethics are meticulously detailed). When there areapparent violations by participants, the moderator cautions the offending party off -line.If the caution is ignored he/she is shifted to the 2nd forum which is restricted (reviewed and posted at the discretion of the moderator).This latter option occurs most often when complaints such as has occurred on this list become acute. For certain, however, when rules of dialogue are posted and reiterated periodically,the forum(s) enjoys the enlighteningexchanges and seldom sufferloss of membership. gnk __
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon ( O.T.)
Rosie, and remaining List, Rosie,you only said what alot of us felt, that took courage and I , and I'm sure many,many, others respect you for it. If Bill felt he had to fight a battle for reasons only he could explain.. ( possibly what he felt was racism ?) , he's smart enough to know he's lost the war, and I hope he realizes that it's not smart to plant bombs in your own backyard. If the List falls apart , it won't be your fault anymore than it was Marks. It won't even be entirely Bills fault, there have been worse squabbles than this on-list before. We have to straighten out this mess by trying really hard not to let personal attacks and dealer wars carry on to the list. It's our responsibility, part of the conditions of being members That's all. We've just about all done it from time to time, myself included. But at the cost of loosing any more of the List, I think it's time to chill-out and learn from all of this. Can't we all just get along? One of the best quotes of the decade!! Best Regards, Marcie ---BeginMessage--- Dear List... I apologize to anyone I may have distressed by my posts. I stand by my opinions..but I did not mean to stress everyone by sustaining a useless battle. I doubt I will post again for awhile Rosie - Original Message - From: Comcast Mail [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Mark's cartoon Would it have been much to make a public apology? __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list ---End Message---
Re: [meteorite-list] All of this stuff
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who want to bicker should feel free to - privately. Agreed - andthere would have beenzero bickering tonight, had private messages remained private. But there is none among us who cannot be embarrassed by having private messages broadcast to the list by a coward with an agenda. It's the reasonprivate-message-postingis forbidden by list-rule #3. Blame for bickering is sometimes 50-50...but then again sometimes it's 100-0, and it does no good totry to FORCE it to even out, to take blame from where it should be and put it where it shouldn't. Others don't know me, of course. Forany who don't know, Christopher Rouse is one of the preeminent classical composers of the day. In my opinion, anyone wanting to get interested in contemporary classical music would do well to start with his Symphony #2, Flute Concerto, and Phaeton recording (Telarc 80452). (You can just put my commission check in the mail. ;-) GregoryJ. Gregory Wilson2118 Wilshire Blvd. #918 Santa Monica, CA 90403USA(310) 913-2598
[meteorite-list] bye bye
I too have had enough bye bye dave harris IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: bye bye
Yeah...I think I'm outta here also guys (and gals). I'll check the archives from time to time, but all this junk mail is driving me insane. Do me a favor Art, and please remove me from this list. Thank you and Adios! Ryan - Original Message - From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] bye bye I too have had enough bye bye dave harris IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: bye bye
Well, seems to me, the serious people are leaving the list, think the easier way would be to kick the clowns out... just my 2 (euro) cents pekka s RYAN PAWELSKI wrote: Yeah...I think I'm outta here also guys (and gals). I'll check the archives from time to time, but all this junk mail is driving me insane. Do me a favor Art, and please remove me from this list. Thank you and Adios! Ryan - Original Message - From: "Dave Harris" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "metlist" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:05 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] bye bye I too have had enough bye bye dave harris IMCA #0092 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Pekka Savolainen Jokiharjuntie 4 FIN-71330 Rasala FINLAND + 358 400 818 912 Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoin Group Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
