[meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Sergey Vasiliev
Hi List,
I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu and
the mailing list.
Let's see,
Sergey


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Re: [meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Razvan Andrei


Hehehe, that's right capitano but what do we know ?
In fact only 4% might be correct according to some
scientists that postulated the fifth fundamental interaction
which has a repulsive character depending on the number
of nucleons. So the smaller mass may fall the first.
Or are there only measurements errors ?

Swimming in Romania, Andrei





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Hi Sergey and list members,
   I found it fascinating that 15% of respondents to this poll
did not know the correct answer!  This is standard 3rd grade stuff.
I guess they weren't subjected to nuns.
   Astounded in San Diego, Michael



on 8/21/05 10:04 AM, Sergey Vasiliev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi List,
I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu 
and

the mailing list.
Let's see,
Sergey


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Re: [meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi Sergey and list members,
I found it fascinating that 15% of respondents to this poll
did not know the correct answer!  This is standard 3rd grade stuff.
I guess they weren't subjected to nuns.
Astounded in San Diego, Michael



on 8/21/05 10:04 AM, Sergey Vasiliev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi List,
 I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
 The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu and
 the mailing list.
 Let's see,
 Sergey
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Michael L Blood
Hi Raz  all,
That is an example of why there are no longer any
scientific laws - ie, at the sub-atomic level there
are particles that go backwards in time. (of course,
there are not any real  particles as there is no
such thing as solid matter, only dense vibrations
HOWEVER, except at the most semantically literal
level, all objects, barring wind resistance fall at the
same rate, regardless of weight.
But, technically, you may well be correct. It is one
of the greatest things about reality - it is always
relative!  (not to mention ironic, paradoxical and
hysterically funny!)
Best wishes, Michael

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 Hehehe, that's right capitano but what do we know ?
 In fact only 4% might be correct according to some
 scientists that postulated the fifth fundamental interaction
 which has a repulsive character depending on the number
 of nucleons. So the smaller mass may fall the first.
 Or are there only measurements errors ?
 
 Swimming in Romania, Andrei
 
 
 
 
 
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 Hi Sergey and list members,
I found it fascinating that 15% of respondents to this poll
 did not know the correct answer!  This is standard 3rd grade stuff.
 I guess they weren't subjected to nuns.
Astounded in San Diego, Michael
 
 
 
 on 8/21/05 10:04 AM, Sergey Vasiliev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi List,
 I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
 The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu
 and
 the mailing list.
 Let's see,
 Sergey
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Martin Altmann
But Michael,

the 2% stems from me.
I run so often down the staircase, but when I arrived, always both spheres
were already there.
So you never know.

Buckleboo.

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 Hi Sergey and list members,
 I found it fascinating that 15% of respondents to this poll
 did not know the correct answer!  This is standard 3rd grade stuff.
 I guess they weren't subjected to nuns.
 Astounded in San Diego, Michael



 on 8/21/05 10:04 AM, Sergey Vasiliev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  Hi List,
  I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
  The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu
and
  the mailing list.
  Let's see,
  Sergey
 
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread MarkF
But, the question was defined, stating spheres of specific weight, in a 
classic physics example. No masses of varying energies or quarkiness, just 
good old simple fun to see who would fall for the what falls faster, a 
pound of feathers, or a pound of lead?


Mark, lost in a land where most would have said the 10 (whats a kg?) would.
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Hehehe, that's right capitano but what do we know ?
In fact only 4% might be correct according to some
scientists that postulated the fifth fundamental interaction
which has a repulsive character depending on the number
of nucleons. So the smaller mass may fall the first.
Or are there only measurements errors ?

Swimming in Romania, Andrei





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Hi Sergey and list members,
   I found it fascinating that 15% of respondents to this poll
did not know the correct answer!  This is standard 3rd grade stuff.
I guess they weren't subjected to nuns.
   Astounded in San Diego, Michael



on 8/21/05 10:04 AM, Sergey Vasiliev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:



Hi List,
I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu 
and

the mailing list.
Let's see,
Sergey


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U Dalnice 839
Prague 5, 15500
Czech Republic
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[meteorite-list] RE: Gravity poll

2005-08-21 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi All,

The majority of people who have stated that the two spheres will arrive
at the same time are mistaken.  The 10-kg sphere will definitely
arrive first, if only by milliseconds.  Now if you had dropped the spheres
on the Moon, the majority answer would be correct.  But wind resistance
on earth after 100 meters of freefall cannot be discounted, and the
ballistic coefficient of the denser object is going to come into play.

--Rob

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But, the question was defined, stating spheres of specific weight, in a 
classic physics example. No masses of varying energies or quarkiness,
just 
good old simple fun to see who would fall for the what falls faster, a 
pound of feathers, or a pound of lead?

Mark, lost in a land where most would have said the 10 (whats a kg?)
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[meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Michael Fowler
I'm wondering whether everyone has jumped to a wrong conclusion at to 
what is the correct answer.


In a vacuum all bodies will be accelerated by gravity at the same rate. 
 However the question was if   ON EARTH! (emphasis added)  2 spheres of 
different weight are dropped.  Since the heavier sphere has a smaller 
surface to volume ratio it will be slowed less by air friction and will 
land first.  The difference in time over 100 meters will be VERY small, 
but it will be there none the less.


Mike Fowler
Chicago

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[meteorite-list] Ad - Lunar individual for sale

2005-08-21 Thread Rob Wesel

Hello all -

I have a 30.35 gram lunar individual available, if this is within your 
collecting scope please drop me an email.


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Re: [meteorite-list] RE: Gravity poll

2005-08-21 Thread Göran Axelsson

I took the only true answer... you never know

As the question doesn't contain the necessary information to decide
the outcome of this experiment.

The question was :
Two same shape spheres (1kg and 10kg) dropped from 100m.
Which one will reach the Earth's surface faster?

It's the same shape spheres that is the problem. If the shape is
the same (spherical) it doesn't say anything about size. So drag
could be an issue if the size is not the right to compensate.
So depending on the relative size it could be any of the spheres
that reach the ground first.

Nowhere in the question is there any referenses to the density
of the spheres. Even if the size is equal this could make the
experiment fail. If the density is less than the surrounding air
neither sphere will reach the ground.

I rest my case.

 :-)

It reminds me of the story of how to measure the height of
a building with a barometer.
http://www.xs4all.nl/~jcdverha/scijokes/2_12.html#subindex

Nittpickingly yours, Göran


Matson, Robert wrote:


Hi All,

The majority of people who have stated that the two spheres will arrive
at the same time are mistaken.  The 10-kg sphere will definitely
arrive first, if only by milliseconds.  Now if you had dropped the spheres
on the Moon, the majority answer would be correct.  But wind resistance
on earth after 100 meters of freefall cannot be discounted, and the
ballistic coefficient of the denser object is going to come into play.

--Rob

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But, the question was defined, stating spheres of specific weight, in a 
classic physics example. No masses of varying energies or quarkiness,
just 
good old simple fun to see who would fall for the what falls faster, a 
pound of feathers, or a pound of lead?


Mark, lost in a land where most would have said the 10 (whats a kg?)
would.

 


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RE: [meteorite-list] RE: Gravity poll

2005-08-21 Thread Matson, Robert
Hi Goran,

 I took the only true answer... you never know

There are actually two possible correct answers, depending on
how much credit you give to the questioner.  The key, as you
point out, is the interpretation of the phrase same shape
spheres.  Did the questioner realize the redundant nature
of the phrase (a sphere's a sphere!), or did he mean for the
extra words to be interpreted as same size or same radius?
If the latter, then I'm right.  If the former, then you are.
Bottom line is that the question was oddly/poorly worded.

You wrote:

 Even if the size is equal this could make the experiment
 fail. If the density is less than the surrounding air neither
 sphere will reach the ground.

True -- but then we are making additional assumptions about
the interpretation of 1 kg and 10 kg.  Are we talking
mass or weight?  If mass, then you are correct.  Although
he does say the spheres are dropped rather than released,
implying that the densities of the spheres are greater than
that of air.

--Rob

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[meteorite-list] Airport meteorites

2005-08-21 Thread JPBrockets
Greetings List members - 

The list seems  a bit quite.  So here is a post of a picture on the wall at 
Denver's  International Airport.  The picture is on the baggage claim level 
near  carousel  4.

http://www.nadurra.net/Image%20Files/MeteoriteDIA.JPG

Any other  Airports with Meteorite related pictures?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Pete Pete
Which would you rather have dropped on your head; a pound of feathers or a 
pound of lead? ;]



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Date: Sun, 21 Aug 2005 15:36:34 -0400

But, the question was defined, stating spheres of specific weight, in a 
classic physics example. No masses of varying energies or quarkiness, just 
good old simple fun to see who would fall for the what falls faster, a 
pound of feathers, or a pound of lead?


Mark, lost in a land where most would have said the 10 (whats a kg?) would.
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Hehehe, that's right capitano but what do we know ?
In fact only 4% might be correct according to some
scientists that postulated the fifth fundamental interaction
which has a repulsive character depending on the number
of nucleons. So the smaller mass may fall the first.
Or are there only measurements errors ?

Swimming in Romania, Andrei





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Hi Sergey and list members,
   I found it fascinating that 15% of respondents to this poll
did not know the correct answer!  This is standard 3rd grade stuff.
I guess they weren't subjected to nuns.
   Astounded in San Diego, Michael



on 8/21/05 10:04 AM, Sergey Vasiliev at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hi List,
I'm really wondering of the poll (which I just posted) results. ;-)))
The link is below and the poll is on the left side under the main menu 
and

the mailing list.
Let's see,
Sergey


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U Dalnice 839
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[meteorite-list] interesteding seymchen etch

2005-08-21 Thread stan .
Can anyone explain why this seymchen has a bandwidth that seems to vary by a 
whole lot (from the better part of 1cm down to much less than 1mm). note the 
neat transclucent green and yellow olivines. This slice was preped by Allan 
Lang, it couldnt have come out nicer.


http://img397.imageshack.us/img397/8923/seymchan0bh.jpg


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[meteorite-list] AD - SALE - some new meteorite auctions on eBay - AD - SALE

2005-08-21 Thread Art
Good Evening;

I'm raising some gas money for a Nevada trip later this month and have
put a few meteorites on eBay. Some are common, some are interesting.

Best Regards, Art
Meteorite Central



NWA 2226 - Howardite
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555082982

Zagami fragment
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555268784

Imilac fragment
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555335136

NWA 2223
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555083633

NWA 1465 - CV3
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555084398

Thuathe - H4
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555086383

Giant Chondrule!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555235004

Allende fragment
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555240628

Zag fragment
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6555336343
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[meteorite-list] Re: Gravity Poll

2005-08-21 Thread Thomas Webb
Hello Robert, Goran, Michael, Sergey and all others:

The two spheres would hit the ground at the same time
only if air resistance or another resistance (large
bird maybe)doesn't interfere with the spheres.  The
law stands true if the two spheres are released at
exactly the same time and in a space devoid of air (a
vacuum).   If this were the case they would reach
terra firma at the same instant.  However, this is not
the case--so--you never know is the only appropriate
answer for the question as postulated.
My best,
Thomas




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[meteorite-list] Unexpectedly ‘Young’ Chondru les Found in Meteorite

2005-08-21 Thread Paul H
Monkey Wrench in Solar System Evolution
RedNova.com, August 18, 2005
http://www.rednova.com/news/space/212521/a_monkey_wrench_in_solar_system_evolution/index.html
http://www.rednova.com/news/space/213706/discovery_of_young_material_in_meterorites_defies_linear_theory_of/

Toronto -- A U of T scientist has found unexpectedly 
‘young’ material in meteorites – a discovery that 
breaks open current theory on the earliest events 
of the solar system.

Chondrules younger than thought
Science Daily (press release) - August 19, 2005
http://www.sciencedaily.com/upi/index.php?feed=Sciencearticle=UPI-1-20050819-14253600-bc-canada-chondrules.xml

Discovery of ’young’ material in meterorites defies
linear ...
innovations report, Germany - August 19, 2005
http://www.innovations-report.de/html/berichte/geowissenschaften/bericht-48033.html

The paper dicussed in the above articles is:

Krot, A. N., Amelin, Y., Cassen, P., and Meibom, A.,
2005,
Young chondrules in CB chondrites from a giant impact
 in the early Solar System. Science. vol.  436 No.
7053, 
pp. 989-993.
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v436/n7053/abs/nature03830.html

Yours,

Paul

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[meteorite-list] Denver Show

2005-08-21 Thread Impactika
To all members coming to the Denver,
And all those wishing they were  coming!

The Denver show is less than a month away.
I finally updated  my site and posted there details about the Show, dates, 
places, and events  planned by the COlorado METeorite Society.  You will find 
on 
my News Page  links to maps and all the details for the Friday evening 
Auction and the  Saturday evening Mexican party. 
Just click on_http://www.IMPACTIKa.com/news.html_ 
(http://www.IMPACTIKa.com/news.html) and read on.

I hope to see all (most!) of you here.
 
Next: posting all the marvelous pieces I got from TCU / Monnig Collection  
during my recent trip there. Coming soon I hope.

Anne M. Black
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[meteorite-list] Ad -for sale Gujba

2005-08-21 Thread Dave Harris
Hi,
I've a 1.6g piece of Gujba for sale for $50 (plus $5 shipping) - first to
paypal me the dosh can have it!

thanks

dave
IMCA #0092
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