[meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay
Hello I have put a rare roman coin with meteorite rapresented on ebay, calculate the same coin its go sold for $328 on ebay few weeks ago.for who want this is the auction http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay
On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:28:07 +0200 (CEST), M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have put a rare roman coin with meteorite rapresented on ebay, calculate the same coin its go sold for $328 on ebay few weeks ago.for who want this is the auction http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Has anyone ever tried to track down what happened to some of these ancient temple meteorites? Carried off by invaders? Lost in earthquakes? Waiting to be discovered now in some ancient garbage dump? If an archeologist had found one of them, would he have thougt it anything other than just a rock? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expert opinion
I agree with you Rob. It is the same with the losses in Iraq. The military has accidents every year, even when not at war. Where are the protestors when marines die from hypothermia in a swamp, where are they when men die jumping from an airplane and crash into the desert? Why is it a needless death when they die in Iraq and not when it is a training exercise. Many in America are bitching about the time it is taking to help the stranded. If I remember correctly they were told to EVACUATE New Orleans. It is not like the problem with the levees is newTHEY HAVE BEEN INADEQUETE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. I do not remember seeing throngs marching in the city prior to the storm TRYING TO ESCAPE, yet they can sure get out in horrible conditions to loot, rob, rape and murder now. If 30,000 people were in the streets trying to evacuate I think someone might have noticed Why is not the ever present and all knowing Michael Farmer running the damn show if he is so freaking smart? Farmer your mouth is always running about the wrong shit. If you know so damn much get your ass to the region and help our president do it right. Where is all your massive fortune Mike? Lets see a public contribution, other than your witty bullshit here on the list. How many families from the region are living with you? I HAVE AN OFFER ON CRAIGSLIST TO TAKE A FAMILY OF 4. MIKE, SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR A CHANGE. I do not care what you did in the past...THIS IS HERE AND THIS IS NOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THEM LATELY? I do not make enough money to save the world. My family has already donated $300.00, and my brother in law who is the biggest DJ in Arizona on KMLE in Phoenix is on the air raising money and starting a clothes drive. My sons class is taking contributions of school supplies for the children of the disaster including giving up some of there own badly needed supplies. At my office we all paid for a week($2.00 a day) of casual dress(jeans) and this week we will all wear our dress clothes and send the money to the red cross. YES things were done wrong, and yes they could have been done betterTHAT DISCUSSION IS FOR A LATER TIME AND ON ANOTHER LIST. If anybody HERE thinks you can do better get your boots on the ground...if you can help, then do it. You know that $5.00 is not much today NOT EVEN 2 GALLONS OF GAS, but if all of us sent $5.00 to the Red Cross it will make a difference, all your bitching is doing is wasting air and creating greenhouse gasses. Our people...AMERICANS, need us now. Later we can get together and discuss what we need to do to fix what happened. Now we just need to open our homes our wallets and our hearts and helpwho cares who screwed this up, lets just fix it and hang those that be damned later. No one on earth could have stopped this storm, no one on earth is responsible for the storm, everyone can have a hand in fixing it. Alot of people here bitch that there is too much government in America, and then expect that same government to pick their asses up out of the thick of things when ultimately the responsibility for your OWN LIFE RESTS WITH YOU. Next election get out and vote, get involved, your government is YOU when you participate. Thats my look on the issue. My challenge to everyone is to quit looking for the devil to hang and get your asses in gear, give money, give clothes, start auctions to benefit the people that need it most, offer to take in a family if you can do it. JUST DO SOMETHING OTHER THAN ARGUE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED, IT WILL NOT CHANGE THE FACT THAT IT HAPPENED. To everyone that has given already...THANK YOU and find a way to give some more. Thanks for listening, and please find a way to help. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Sterling K. Webb' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, September 02, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability Sterling makes some excellent points about the psychological impact of tragic deaths attributed to various flavors of Mother Nature flexing her muscles. When it comes to fear and risk, humans can be very irrational. They worry about tornadoes, hurricanes, volcanoes, supervolcanoes, tsunamis, global warming, airplane crashes, lightning, shark attacks and bear attacks, not to mention whatever the latest fear of the week might be (e.g. anthrax, dirty bombs, West Nile virus, Ebola). The common factor in all of these fears is that the probability of dying from any one of them is practically zero. In fact, if you add up all the probabilities of dying from each of these, the chances are still next to zero. But this is what people worry about because it's reported each and every day on their TV sets. They think nothing of getting in their cars each day and driving to and from work (perhaps smoking a cigarette or wolfing down a supersize meal from their favorite
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expert opinion
Rob and Sterling discussed: When 2000 people die from a hurricane-caused flood, that's news. But 42,000+ people dying in automobile accidents ANNUALLY in the U.S. alone? No one cares. No one cares? If a drunk driver was the cause they will find out quickly that someone cares. And there is reason for that: I totally disagree with this spin from my most respected friends regarding these good points. If you live in a hurricane prone area the USA statistics mean nothing and proactivity everything(why not use 6.x billionin the world it is just as meaningless), if you have filthy sanitation USA death from microbes' statistics mean nothing, if you like surfboarding in shark infested waters (where great waves are), they mean nothing, if you live in tornado alley, etc. statistics, and if you skydive frequently, why would USA statistics mean anything. While I agree that society as a whole has a terrible grasp of statistics, and they appear sometimes just branch of politics, there are two important thoughts missing from these cold statistical arguments: One is the the fear of loss of control over one's destiny and self-determination. If I accept the statical bet to drive with its risks, I have determined my destiny, and if I am fatigued but drive anyway, the statistics are usless as I find myself drifting in front of opposing trucks or off the road, and no one will question that it is my fault if something happens. Statistics may be interesting for the Federal Bureau of Statistics (Federal BS) in this case - but luckily one has not yet become a statistic for the morbidity bean counters while one is alive. The other related objection I have is the thought that people are too ignorant to guage situations of bonafide danger when they are knowingly in harm's way. The being hit on the head by a meteorite arriving from space is basically a cold statistic on Earth, but it has new meaning if you are an astronaut floating around in the space station. Living on Miami Beach or N Orleans is like during hurricane Season. Or when I am caught in the middle of an electrical storm on treeless plains with an iron in the pocket and no where to hide. Maybe I should raise a lightning rod connected to the iron in my soaked backpack and laugh in defiance at God's act quoting Him USA statistics? When expectations are mismanaged statistics are a very lame and misguided defense or consolation. This isn't a political comment about poor leadership and bureaucracy any more than condoning the barbaric nature of some natives in the New Orleans area who clearly (were driven to?) lack the spirit that founded America. I hope the current Gulf coast crisis is contained and a proactive attitude arises from the fading chaos. There is probably a handful of people out there right now praying with all there hearts not to become fodder for a statistical quotes, thought their chances are 50/50 in their mind - and they may be overly optimistic. The expectation management and self-determination factor need to be considered. Terrorism is a perfect example. Statistically we can forget about it. Tell that to the Meteoritehunter dining in Nakhla Cafe when a boom is suddenly heard. Oh, only 500 people have meteorites that have rusted. So, if you are a resident of the USA, don't worry about having a meteorite rusting - it is statistically insignificant that it will happen to you. And especially don't worry about it if the seller gave you the expectation that it won't rust. Those are even fewer cases and statistically not even measurable in the context of the USA population to 5 sigma... Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trade proposal
Hi As you all know ... probably :-) I try to make a small collection. Cash is running very low, soI thought I would make a trade proposal. Perhaps one of you would like to trade a rather big meteorite, for a Garmin eTrex Legend GPS. ? It is in very fine condition (looks like new). I am crazy in love with but cant afford to buy.. a good size Sikote_Alin individual, or alternatively a rather big unrare black stone. Just laugh of me :-), but it is a desperate [housevifes. ;-) ] atempt to get a meteorite again. My deapest sympathy the all who have been affected by the horricane in the south of USA. Crossing my fingers, and best to all of you Lars Pedersen __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expertopinion
Hello List, I absolutely agree that many statistics are misused, whether in the context of this latest disaster or in general. One of my favorite books from college is a little one called How to Lie with Statistics which is in its umpteenth printing. For example, the national incident rate of death in sky diving accidents is just as inapplicable to my personal risk of death skydiving as the national incident rate of death from breast cancer, because I have no desire whatsoever to jump out of a perfectly good airplane. However, some of the posts have in fact made perfectly legitimate use of these statistics relative to the disaster on the Gulf Coast. The post listing the death rates from lightning strikes, etc., was made in response to folks questioning why anyone would live down in that area in the first place. I've heard the same talk around town here where I live. I heard one of my friends say that she would never live down in that area because of hurricanes, and before I could respond, another friend piped up and stated 'yeah, we'll just sit up here and wait for the next big earthquake.' (I live on the Puget Sound near Seattle.) Large hurricanes hitting a densely populated metropolis resulting in these kinds of death tolls are (thankfully) very rare, just as large earthquakes hitting densely populated metropolises (sp?) with large death tolls are very rare. If it happened that a large earthquake had hit here last week with similar devastation instead, folks in New Orleans would be down there now saying, 'why would anyone want to live in an area like that, I'd never live up there.' I live in a city of about 100,000 people, and from where I live, I don't think I can go more than about 5 miles in any one direction without having to go over a bridge of one sort or another. Transportation issues including retrofitting bridges to resist earthquake damage have been ongoing issues for years, voters recently repealed by initiative the funding to address some of these issue, and the state legislature finally acted recently only to have funding put on hold again while we wait for yet another initiative to repeal the funding go to a vote of the people again. If (when) a very large earthquake hits this area, and the bridges collapse, no one can get in or out, gas lines have broken and are burning, there is no power, food and water is running out, etc., I can see the same comments being made in other parts of the country about why didn't they pay to retrofit the bridges and buildings just like why didn't they pay to maintain the levees in Louisiana. About the only difference would be the streets in my town wouldn't be flooded and have alligators patrolling them. The list of national statistics are relevant to this discussion because it (I believe) points out that no matter where you live, there are risks that can shorten your life expectancy, just as there are activities that can shorten your life expectancy. The impact of very large earthquakes doesn't mean much to residents of Louisiana, any more than the impact of large hurricanes directly affects me up here. But to imply that any given person would be statistically safer living here for instance as opposed to down there because we don't have hurricanes is bogus, and those national statistics can illustrate why it's bogus. Frank Prochaska -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 8:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expertopinion Rob and Sterling discussed: When 2000 people die from a hurricane-caused flood, that's news. But 42,000+ people dying in automobile accidents ANNUALLY in the U.S. alone? No one cares. No one cares? If a drunk driver was the cause they will find out quickly that someone cares. And there is reason for that: I totally disagree with this spin from my most respected friends regarding these good points. If you live in a hurricane prone area the USA statistics mean nothing and proactivity everything(why not use 6.x billionin the world it is just as meaningless), if you have filthy sanitation USA death from microbes' statistics mean nothing, if you like surfboarding in shark infested waters (where great waves are), they mean nothing, if you live in tornado alley, etc. statistics, and if you skydive frequently, why would USA statistics mean anything. While I agree that society as a whole has a terrible grasp of statistics, and they appear sometimes just branch of politics, there are two important thoughts missing from these cold statistical arguments: One is the the fear of loss of control over one's destiny and self-determination. If I accept the statical bet to drive with its risks, I have determined my destiny,
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expertopinion
The death of one man is a tragedy. The death of millions is a statistic. Joseph Stalin --the sad reality of human apathy at perhaps inappropriate times. This discussion has become quite moot. We all feel and experience these events in our own personal way, and there is no right or wrong. Chondrules are f'n cool under a microscope, eh?! Pete From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expertopinion Date: Sat, 3 Sep 2005 12:47:34 EDT Rob and Sterling discussed: When 2000 people die from a hurricane-caused flood, that's news. But 42,000+ people dying in automobile accidents ANNUALLY in the U.S. alone? No one cares. No one cares? If a drunk driver was the cause they will find out quickly that someone cares. And there is reason for that: I totally disagree with this spin from my most respected friends regarding these good points. If you live in a hurricane prone area the USA statistics mean nothing and proactivity everything(why not use 6.x billionin the world it is just as meaningless), if you have filthy sanitation USA death from microbes' statistics mean nothing, if you like surfboarding in shark infested waters (where great waves are), they mean nothing, if you live in tornado alley, etc. statistics, and if you skydive frequently, why would USA statistics mean anything. While I agree that society as a whole has a terrible grasp of statistics, and they appear sometimes just branch of politics, there are two important thoughts missing from these cold statistical arguments: One is the the fear of loss of control over one's destiny and self-determination. If I accept the statical bet to drive with its risks, I have determined my destiny, and if I am fatigued but drive anyway, the statistics are usless as I find myself drifting in front of opposing trucks or off the road, and no one will question that it is my fault if something happens. Statistics may be interesting for the Federal Bureau of Statistics (Federal BS) in this case - but luckily one has not yet become a statistic for the morbidity bean counters while one is alive. The other related objection I have is the thought that people are too ignorant to guage situations of bonafide danger when they are knowingly in harm's way. The being hit on the head by a meteorite arriving from space is basically a cold statistic on Earth, but it has new meaning if you are an astronaut floating around in the space station. Living on Miami Beach or N Orleans is like during hurricane Season. Or when I am caught in the middle of an electrical storm on treeless plains with an iron in the pocket and no where to hide. Maybe I should raise a lightning rod connected to the iron in my soaked backpack and laugh in defiance at God's act quoting Him USA statistics? When expectations are mismanaged statistics are a very lame and misguided defense or consolation. This isn't a political comment about poor leadership and bureaucracy any more than condoning the barbaric nature of some natives in the New Orleans area who clearly (were driven to?) lack the spirit that founded America. I hope the current Gulf coast crisis is contained and a proactive attitude arises from the fading chaos. There is probably a handful of people out there right now praying with all there hearts not to become fodder for a statistical quotes, thought their chances are 50/50 in their mind - and they may be overly optimistic. The expectation management and self-determination factor need to be considered. Terrorism is a perfect example. Statistically we can forget about it. Tell that to the Meteoritehunter dining in Nakhla Cafe when a boom is suddenly heard. Oh, only 500 people have meteorites that have rusted. So, if you are a resident of the USA, don't worry about having a meteorite rusting - it is statistically insignificant that it will happen to you. And especially don't worry about it if the seller gave you the expectation that it won't rust. Those are even fewer cases and statistically not even measurable in the context of the USA population to 5 sigma... Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - World Biggest Ben Guerir LL6 Slices
Hello list I have enough this political BS, becouse only effect of this, will be a bad atmosphere on our list. Again This topic is maybe too pathetic, but I belive its true. Yesterday I cut my 2.7kg specimen to few incredible full slices. I love this meteorite. For me its iron-rich brecciated eucrite :-D But lets back to topic. I want offer full slices of Ben Guerir LL6 amphoterite, both side polished, 100% fresh. http://www.polandmet.com/_benguerir.htm This specimens is big, but I offer them in reasonable price. For much more You will find broken fragments, and here You can get ultra large slice. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Charity Raffle Update + Tix Details
Dear Friends and Meteorite List Members: The 2005 Meteorite Community Hurricane Relief Fund Charity Raffle is on! A big thank you to everyone who has already donated raffle prizes, and purchased tickets. We have some amazing items already, with more on the way. I think you will all be surprised by the quality of specimens, books, etc., that have been donated by a number of very generous members of the meteorite community. Here is the latest: - By kind permission of the Denver COMETS, the prize drawing for the Charity Raffle will be held live at the COMETS annual party at La Loma Restaurant, Denver, on the evening of Saturday, September 17. You do not need to be present to win. All winners will be notified shortly after the party. - We will display at least some of the prizes during the Denver Show (location TBA). - 100% of all money received from raffle ticket sales will go directly to the American Red Cross Hurricane Relief Fund. - There will be multiple grand prizes awarded, with numerous additional prizes for the runners-up. More chances for you to win! - I will have a preliminary list of prizes, with photos, available on my website later today. I will post the URL as soon as it is ready. - Advance ticket sales must be completed by Monday, September 12, and payment must have been received by me, by that date (see below). - Last minute cash-only ticket sales may be available during the Denver Show, but don't count on it. - We are still accepting donations of raffle prizes. - We need to sell a lot more tickets. Tickets are $10 each, and you can buy as many as you like. Here are the purchasing details: If you have a PayPal account, just log on and send your payment to my account which is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am happy to provide a receipt, for tax purposes, if requested. Even if you don't have a PayPal account, you can still send money to me via PayPal by using your credit card or bank debit card at: http://www.paypal.com If you are not able to use either of the options above, you may send me a money order or personal check (U.S. funds only please) made out to The American Red Cross. Please ensure that your check or money order arrives at my Tucson office NOT LATER THAN Monday, September 12, or you will not be eligible to participate. Please email me for my postal address. Thank you to everyone who is supporting this venture! Sincerely, Geoff Notkin Meteorite Charity Raffle 2005 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Katrina and shuttle ET construction
Don't know if, in the face of all the human tragedy, many have noticed what more harm might be done to the already-going-through-it's-death-rattles shuttle program: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9176225/ Updated: 3:07 p.m. ET Sept. 2, 2005 NASA’s Michoud Assembly Facility in New Orleans, where space shuttle external tanks are constructed, appears to have escaped major damage from Hurricane Katrina. But it's not known just how many employees at the site — operated by Lockheed Martin Space Systems for NASA — are missing, evacuated from the area, and are now without housing. Lockheed Martin’s main Internet site is now reformatted and headlined with response information for the firm's employees affected by Hurricane Katrina. It carries a hotline number that operates from 8 a.m. to 7 p.m. ET weekdays, and 10 a.m. to 5 p.m. weekends. A message posted on the Web site said there were no injuries reported but the company was still confirming status of some employees. The facility will re-open no earlier than Monday, September 26, the company says. The site calls out: Let us know if you’re OK … If you are a Lockheed Martin employee affected by Hurricane Katrina, we’d like to know you’re OK. The site requests company workers to call the hotline or send an e-mail listing their name, business unit, a phone number and an address where that individual can be reached. It also says that several locations with Lockheed Martin employees were affected by the hurricane. Operators at a Lockheed Martin Hurricane Katrina Employee Assistance Hotline are assisting in answering employee questions, or guiding them to the appropriate resources for assistance. Workforce disruption Harry Wadsworth, a Lockheed Martin spokesman for Michoud operations, said an emergency team at the external tank facility has been clearing debris. Ours is a fairly open area with buildings. There are not a lot of trees, which is probably good, Wadsworth told Space.com in a phone interview. He is positioned three hours away from Michoud at this time, in Lafayette, La. Like many others that work at the Michoud facilities, Wadsworth also has no idea whether or not his own home survived the horrific blow to the area created by Hurricane Katrina. I’m hoping that my house is dry. I would be lucky if it is, Wadsworth said. His wife is a nurse at one of the local hospitals, part of an essential team that has been in the New Orleans area since Monday. People are scattered all over in various cities … places where they took refuge from the storm with their families, Wadsworth said. Regarding the disruption of the workforce at the facility, Wadsworth said that this remains an unknown. It will be one of the challenges … to get employees temporary housing, apartments, or other types of shelter, Wadsworth added. That’s something that a lot of the companies in New Orleans are looking into. Water, power issues The Lockheed Martin work force is between 2,000 and 2,100 employees at the NASA Michoud Assembly Facility, Wadsworth said. Wadsworth said that it is doubtful very many people have been able to get back and check on their homes, although some areas are open. For those able to return to the hard-hit area at this time, there is no water availability, power or air conditioning to combat the 98-degree outside temperature, he said. The 832-acre NASA Michoud Assembly Facility is located in New Orleans, Louisiana some 24 miles (38 kilometers) from New Orleans International Airport and 15 miles (24 kilometers) from the French Quarter. The Michoud facility uses a deep-water access port for the transportation of the large external tanks by barge across the Gulf of Mexico, around Florida and up to Kennedy Space Center. Lockheed Martin’s toll-free Hurricane Katrina Employee Assistance Hotline for employees is at (800) 563-8442. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay
Yes, Darren, one stone survived. The holy stone of the temple of Paphos on Cyprus, which is depicted on many classical coins (Traian, Vespasian, Drusus, Caracalla and so on), was recovered by excavations on the temple site more than hundred years ago. It was kept in the cellar and the stock of the National museum in Nikosia for an eternity, until it was transportated to the local archeological museum in Kouklia, where it's now exhibited. Never a sample was taken for authentification. The Meteoritical Society is a puddle of culturally uneducated people, as they rather like to spend the tax payers money for having fancy meetings at the Yacht Club in Rio instead to send a student to Cyprus to take a sample, as they simply don't see that chance for making one of the most important discoveries in the history of meteoritics. If the stone will be a meteorite, it will be a sensation, proving that the baethyls warshipped in temples of the classic period in the classical Greek, Roman, Seleukid period, like the omphalos in Delphi, the stone in the temple of Ephesos, the stone in the procession car of the Astarte in Sidon, the stone in Emesa, which was transported to Rome, the stone in the temple of Zeus Kasios in Seleucia were true meteorites. If it will be not a meteorite, the try would will be have been well worth anyway. But what shall we do? Each professional member of the Meteoritical Society is better paid than me, I can't afford just to book a flight to Cyprus in that matter. It seems to me, that all of them have no interest in the history of meteorites at all. It is always like this, when people are paid for their jobs wit the tax payers' money, no matter, what they are doing, they can't be forced to do the obvious, they don't care, it's a scandal. Incredible, I posted this several times to the list. Come on, if I would do my job as a meteorite seller as those employees by the state are doing, I'd better buy a gun and a bullet for me. Hey Mike or GregAdam, go there, take a sample, if it's authentic, keep half of the type specimen, you could sell it at a triple price of Chassigny. It makes me sick. If you join Met.Soc, it costy you more than 100$ per year. A flight to Cyprus from Europe is available at 150$, two ways. So Mrs Zipfel, Mr.Grossman, Mr.Jull, wake up, it's time!! Angry Martin -this ignorance drives me crazy - without Buckleboo. - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 4:24 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay On Sat, 3 Sep 2005 13:28:07 +0200 (CEST), M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello I have put a rare roman coin with meteorite rapresented on ebay, calculate the same coin its go sold for $328 on ebay few weeks ago.for who want this is the auction http://cgi3.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=mcomemeteorite Has anyone ever tried to track down what happened to some of these ancient temple meteorites? Carried off by invaders? Lost in earthquakes? Waiting to be discovered now in some ancient garbage dump? If an archeologist had found one of them, would he have thougt it anything other than just a rock? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - World Biggest Ben Guerir LL6 Slices
Bravo Marcin, that's what I call a good preparation. But are you sick to offer it at 3$/g??? That's much to cheap!! Take a look at the dealers' pages, where you find Benguerir in a worse quality at 6-12$/g! Man, that's not an NWA!! - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - World Biggest Ben Guerir LL6 Slices Hello list I have enough this political BS, becouse only effect of this, will be a bad atmosphere on our list. Again This topic is maybe too pathetic, but I belive its true. Yesterday I cut my 2.7kg specimen to few incredible full slices. I love this meteorite. For me its iron-rich brecciated eucrite :-D But lets back to topic. I want offer full slices of Ben Guerir LL6 amphoterite, both side polished, 100% fresh. http://www.polandmet.com/_benguerir.htm This specimens is big, but I offer them in reasonable price. For much more You will find broken fragments, and here You can get ultra large slice. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay
On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:53:17 +0200, Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Darren, one stone survived. The holy stone of the temple of Paphos on Cyprus, which is depicted on many classical coins (Traian, Vespasian, Drusus, Caracalla and so on), was recovered by excavations on the temple site more than hundred years ago. It was kept in the cellar and the stock of the National museum in Nikosia for an eternity, until it was transportated to the local archeological museum in Kouklia, where it's now exhibited. Never a sample was taken for authentification. One of the sad things about being a specialist in one feild of science means that you tend to not have much knowledge of/interest in other feilds. I often wonder how many meteorites paleontologists have walked over in the desert, and how many valuable fossils meteorite hunters have walked over. (Like, for example, Peter Douglas Ward's work in the Karoo desert as described in his recent book Gorgon-- seems like prime meteorite country, and he and his people likely kicked a few meteorites out of the way in their scouring the desert for bone). I knew that a ancient fall in a temple in Japan was still known, but I hadn't ever heard that one of the ancient Greek ones had been recovered. (It reminds me of the book The First Fossil Hunters which attempts to trace many ancient legends and worshiped objects to fossils-- see http://www.2think.org/fossilhunters.shtml) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay
Hi Darren, indeed it's a shame. Not to take a look at the stone of Paphos for a meteoricist, is like Einstein would have stated: Gravity? I never heard of that. Chladni, Daubree, Brezina, Cohen, Nininger, Monnig et.al. would have travelled immediately there, if they would have known, that the stone was recovered The rest, I will write you offlist, for not risking my neck more than I have already done. Gosh, why I'm always so choleric. Martin - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2005 3:22 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Rare roman coin with meteorite theme on Ebay On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 02:53:17 +0200, Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, Darren, one stone survived. The holy stone of the temple of Paphos on Cyprus, which is depicted on many classical coins (Traian, Vespasian, Drusus, Caracalla and so on), was recovered by excavations on the temple site more than hundred years ago. It was kept in the cellar and the stock of the National museum in Nikosia for an eternity, until it was transportated to the local archeological museum in Kouklia, where it's now exhibited. Never a sample was taken for authentification. One of the sad things about being a specialist in one feild of science means that you tend to not have much knowledge of/interest in other feilds. I often wonder how many meteorites paleontologists have walked over in the desert, and how many valuable fossils meteorite hunters have walked over. (Like, for example, Peter Douglas Ward's work in the Karoo desert as described in his recent book Gorgon-- seems like prime meteorite country, and he and his people likely kicked a few meteorites out of the way in their scouring the desert for bone). I knew that a ancient fall in a temple in Japan was still known, but I hadn't ever heard that one of the ancient Greek ones had been recovered. (It reminds me of the book The First Fossil Hunters which attempts to trace many ancient legends and worshiped objects to fossils-- see http://www.2think.org/fossilhunters.shtml) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Heads-up! 47 auctions of good stuff ending soon!
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[meteorite-list] Re: OT: Death fears vs. probability My un-expert opinion
Hi, Mark, You said, It is not like the problem with the levees is newTHEY HAVE BEEN INADEQUATE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. It's probably because I live in a Mississippi River town (much further up than New Orleans), where we were flooded to over ten feet deep in our downtown, without water or electrical power for three weeks in the flood of '93, that I take a certain natural interest in levees, floods, high water and blues songs about'em. The 19th century levees in New Orleans, built after the 1832 flood, were adequate for almost a century, until the 1927 flood. The levee system was completely redone after the great flood of 1927, by people who knew you had to build and plan for the future, a trait we have lost today. These levees worked perfectly in the 1965 hurricane that hit New Orleans head on and that was a worse storm than this recent one. They have been allowed to deteriorate badly over the last 15-20 years, and what happened this week is the reward you get for that kind of economy. My point was that these disasters are NOT incalculable events against which humans are helpless. We have known how to fight these things for thousands of years. Sophisticated flood and water management is one of the oldest human technologies and one of the best understood. 40% of the nation of Holland consists of land reclaimed from the sea since the 13th century by long effort. So, by definition 40% of Holland is below sea level, and I hear no one proclaiming that Holland must be abandoned due to global warming as certain List members have said of New Orleans and the Gulf Coast generally. All that is needed to prevent these disasters is to do what's needed. It's not a mystery or a question of luck. Just spend the money; do the job. 2 or 3 billion more spent over the last decade would have prevented this flooding and most of this disaster in New Orleans. It would have been a great investment, saving scores of billions and a lot of human misery and death. The devastation in southern Mississippi is far worse. Much of the worse affected areas have not yet been penetrated by anybody from the outside, so we do not yet know how bad it is. It was not preventable like the disaster in New Orleans. We all feel an impulse to criticize the failings of response, but people fail to measure the size of the problem. A first step is to consider that the affected area is roughly the size of Great Britain! Alright, Great Britain is devastated -- how long before you get everybody evacuated and into a shelter? What? It's the next day (or week) and you haven't finished? Shame... The problems of scale are often not solvable by money nor preparedness. This doesn't mean that everything about this response shouldn't be scrutinized in great detail; there is a lot to learn that will help in the future, which contains, certainly, disasters as great or greater... Even a very small asteroid would be far, far worse, so we get a slight glimpse at what the failure to detect and determine orbits for ALL the NEA's could cost the human race. For now, sent money. Sterling K. Webb --- Mark Miconi wrote: I agree with you Rob. It is the same with the losses in Iraq. The military has accidents every year, even when not at war. Where are the protestors when marines die from hypothermia in a swamp, where are they when men die jumping from an airplane and crash into the desert? Why is it a needless death when they die in Iraq and not when it is a training exercise. Many in America are bitching about the time it is taking to help the stranded. If I remember correctly they were told to EVACUATE New Orleans. It is not like the problem with the levees is newTHEY HAVE BEEN INADEQUETE FOR OVER 100 YEARS. I do not remember seeing throngs marching in the city prior to the storm TRYING TO ESCAPE, yet they can sure get out in horrible conditions to loot, rob, rape and murder now. If 30,000 people were in the streets trying to evacuate I think someone might have noticed Why is not the ever present and all knowing Michael Farmer running the damn show if he is so freaking smart? Farmer your mouth is always running about the wrong shit. If you know so damn much get your ass to the region and help our president do it right. Where is all your massive fortune Mike? Lets see a public contribution, other than your witty bullshit here on the list. How many families from the region are living with you? I HAVE AN OFFER ON CRAIGSLIST TO TAKE A FAMILY OF 4. MIKE, SHUT UP AND DO SOMETHING TANGIBLE FOR A CHANGE. I do not care what you did in the past...THIS IS HERE AND THIS IS NOW, WHAT HAVE YOU DONE FOR THEM LATELY? I do not make enough money to save the world. My family has already donated $300.00, and my brother in law who is the biggest DJ in Arizona on KMLE in Phoenix is on the air raising money and starting a clothes drive. My sons class is taking
[meteorite-list] Charity Raffle Prizes Part 1
Greetings All: Well, after a very long day's work we have the first batch of raffle prizes ready for your viewing pleasure. Please note, this is only the beginning. We will be adding many more exciting items over the next 48 hours, including meteorite specimens from The Michael Farmer Collection; Nininger's Meteorites: A Photographic Study of Surface Features (both volumes!) donated by Martin Altmann; plus books, meteorites, and other goodies courtesy of Martin Horejsi, Anne Black, myself, and others. As part of the raffle, an authentic, signed Harvey Award and certificate will be presented by Steve Arnold IMB and myself to one of our lucky participants at the Tucson 2006 Meteor Mayhem Party Harvey Awards. Details to follow. Here is the prize list in progress: http://www.aerolite.org/meteorite-raffle.htm I have set up a direct PayPal link from that page, so it's very easy to buy tix. Just click on the PayPal link. You'll be taken to the purchase page, then key in the number of tix you'd like. You don't even have to have a PayPal account to buy tix. And . . . we are still accepting donations of raffle prizes. Thanks to everyone who has pitched in, and best wishes from Tucson, Geoff N. 2005 Meteorite Charity Raffle __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - World Biggest Ben Guerir LL6 Slices
$3/gr. its the same price I have pay my Benguerir ( Bensour ) from moroccan person...the others prices its a few exaggeratedfor $10/gr. I buy Pultusk, I prefear Pultusk to Benguerir Matteo --- Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Bravo Marcin, that's what I call a good preparation. But are you sick to offer it at 3$/g??? That's much to cheap!! Take a look at the dealers' pages, where you find Benguerir in a worse quality at 6-12$/g! Man, that's not an NWA!! - Original Message - From: Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, September 03, 2005 10:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD - World Biggest Ben Guerir LL6 Slices Hello list I have enough this political BS, becouse only effect of this, will be a bad atmosphere on our list. Again This topic is maybe too pathetic, but I belive its true. Yesterday I cut my 2.7kg specimen to few incredible full slices. I love this meteorite. For me its iron-rich brecciated eucrite :-D But lets back to topic. I want offer full slices of Ben Guerir LL6 amphoterite, both side polished, 100% fresh. http://www.polandmet.com/_benguerir.htm This specimens is big, but I offer them in reasonable price. For much more You will find broken fragments, and here You can get ultra large slice. -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
