[meteorite-list] OT: Martin's Poll
Hola list, dunno whether it's impolite or correct to address to the list with this personal concern... Some weeks ago my old computer said Goodbye, now I'm building up a new one (Kill Bill, have you ever tried to import an address-book from an old Outlook Express version to a new full version of Outlook? Nearly impossible, what for brain-dead programmers must have been at work). I lost some informations about the marked preferences of my collectors (and I think some addresses too), Can't remember all, are many hundreds. As you know, I like rather to distribute my most special pieces and offers directly to those collectors, in whose focus the locality or type is fitting, than to use ebay (and my homepage, until I'll have renewed it, to keep it updated, who knows, when this will be). So if you like, please give me a note with your preferences, of course I keep them strictly confidential, if you like to continue to receive my offers. Some collect geographically, some historically, some systematically, some only a few types, some only desert, some only endcuts, some everything, some prefer large specimens, some micromounts and so on. Of course those, with whom I hadn't the pleasure yet, but who want to be in my address book too, are cordially invited to do the same. Sorry for this somewhat selfish post, but everyone, who once lost his data, knows what for chaos the loss creates and to reconstruct them, in trying to email each collector in person, would take some months and finally perhaps it may be profitable for you, at least I had no single complaint about my pieces I sold and swapped during the last 5 years. Many thanks Buckleboo, From Chaos-Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Link to: Geological timeline with some mention of impacts and meteorites OT
Dear List, A link is included that links to a geological timeline of events including meteorite impacts, etc. There is also a page for before one million years BP. Hope you find this as interesting as I did. Sincerely, Dirk Ross...Tokyo http://timelines.ws/0A1MILL_3300BC.HTML Ó: [EMAIL PROTECTED] vOÉæÁÄW°çêÄ¢éêª èÜ·BYtªÇÌæ¤É³êé©ð»è·éÉÍAdq[ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NWA 869 individuals on ebay
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[meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Hi Gary: Could you share the good advice you've already received? We could all benefit from the shared wisdom of this group, and then we'll know better what to add. As far as lasting impressions, I always like to talk about Allende and how it's pre-solar system stuff! Talk about older than dirt... Anita -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:52 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Dear Gary, Anita, List; As a veteran of a dozen or more meteorite show and tell lectures, some with powerpoint (some with over a hundred people)I see a little twist that distresses me somewhat. Gettting directions, or ideas is a grand thing but...you will come across much more genuinely authentic, and with your own brand of enthuiasm if you use your own imagination to do a presentation Tell me how to do a meteorite show... huh? How about wit, humor, enthuiasm, and some specimens..maybe add a little strewnfield and flight pattern informationpass around meteorites and meteorwrongs. Maybe one of the list members could invent a 30 minute video of professional quality and sell it to those that need presentation help. Take a class in public speaking then take up meteorite lecturing. Here's a meteorite, buy Rocks From Space...short and concise lecture that took 8 seconds... I think I see an ebay add coming soon: How to conduct a meteorite education lecture10 hot tips! Dave Freeman Anita D. Westlake wrote: Hi Gary: Could you share the good advice you've already received? We could all benefit from the shared wisdom of this group, and then we'll know better what to add. As far as lasting impressions, I always like to talk about Allende and how it's pre-solar system stuff! Talk about older than dirt... Anita -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary K. Foote Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:52 AM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 26, Issue 30 (Scho ner's theory)
-- Norm Lehrman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve, Everything sounds fine till that last couple of paragraphs where every other proposal also stumbles. Just where is all this silicate material in our oceans or atmosphere? I still see a mass balance problem. I'm open for a good answer, but if you just described it, I didn't understand. Regards, Norm (I don't know why it did not appear so I post again) Norm, Could the answer be in the total number of tektites that lie in those clay beds? How about the micro-tektites that are scattered all over the oceans sediments? What are the total mass estimates for these? As for the atmospheric silicates, these would fall as dust over a few months or years. The question now is, how small are the smallest tektites? Does anyone know? Dirk Ross... Do you know? I suspect that the total tonnage of tektites is quite high, certainly within the possibility as having come from comets. As for comets, what is the percentage of silicates vs hydrocarbons, and water? I suspect that the percentage of silicates vs water is small, certainly smaller than is found in the carbonaceous chondrites which are basically silicates, hydrocarbons and a very small percentage of water. Steve Schoner #4470 --- Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My theory on tektite formation: Go back to the impacts of cometary material on Jupiter in July of 1994. I think in this there is a clear demonstration of how tektites are formed. There were huge plumes of plasma extending out into space, and large dark clouds of re-condensed dust from the impacts after-wards. Now, I remember seeing an abstract regarding those plumes put out by I think Dr. Shoemaker. In this abstract it was posited that the plasma cloud achieved temps at nearly a million or more, such that water molecules and all organic molecules were disrupted so that hydrogen separated from its oxygen bonds. Now, it was stated in this abstract that the hydrogen escaped out into space but the free oxygen remained and fell back with the remnants of the plasma plume. In other words, the hydrogen was fractionated from the oxygen and ejected away from the plume. Now consider this. Tektites are virtually free of water. The remaining cometary plasma was mostly vaporized silicates and oxygen, and both were in a environment with a paucity of hydrogen which had escaped out into space. The rock vapor latched onto free oxygen. The result would be a glass with very little if any water. And that would explain the huge dust clouds (nanomicro-tektites)remaining. But I wonder if any large tektites condensed from those plasma plumes and fell into Jupiter's depths. No craters were produced, yet huge dust clouds floated in Jupiter's atmosphere for months. I ran this by Dr. Shoemaker sometime before his untimely death, and shortly later he was taken from us, thus I never got a response. Could such happen here on earth? Just imagine a huge cometary impact into our atmosphere. A complete disruption, with a plume of cometary plasma erupting out into space. Hydrogen fractionated from the plasma cloud, the remaining silicate material and oxygen re-combining to form a glass, and the glass then falling back to earth in some cases several thousands of miles form the impact point. No crater produced because the impact may have happened over the ocean, or simply because the comet disrupted in the air and never reached the ground. Steve Schoner #4470 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Study Suggests More Planets Lurk in Kuiper Belt
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/columnist/vergano/2006-02-12-kuiper-belt-study_x.htm New study suggests more planets lurk in Kuiper belt by Dan Vergano USA Today February 12, 2006 The cold, quiet outer reaches of our solar system appear to have once been a shooting gallery, astronomers report, in which giant comets smacked into each other with surprising frequency and formed planets. Maybe. This artist's concept shows the planet catalogued as 2003UB313 at the lonely outer fringes of our solar system. This artist's concept shows the planet catalogued as 2003UB313 at the lonely outer fringes of our solar system. NASA Beyond Neptune's orbit, about four billion miles from the sun in the vicinity of Pluto, lies the Kuiper belt, a ring of comets circling our solar system. Discovery of oversized rivals to Pluto, essentially giant comets, have shaken up our ideas about the Kuiper belt in the last decade. Most recently, the confirmation in a recent Nature study that one of these jumbo icebergs is bigger than Pluto has threatened to expand our solar system's planetary ranks, a subject of heated debate among astronomers. Now, a study in The Astrophysical Journal finds that the 10th planet, discovered last year and named UB313, has a moon, just like Pluto. But that study, led by UB313 discoverer Mike Brown of the California Institute of Technology, also took a look at more moons in the Kuiper Belt. And it suggests that the whoppers of the comet ring formed differently than regular comets. Brown and colleagues looked for moons around the four brightest, and likely the biggest, objects in the Kuiper belt. Pluto has three moons, UB313 has one and another, EL61, has two. The fourth giant, 2005 FY9, doesn't have any. In the Kuiper Belt, objects are thought to have gently captured their moons through gravitational tides. They gently pull on one another over long periods of time, finally circling each other in an elongated, delicate dance. Pluto, in contrast, plainly had captured its big moon, Charon, in an impact, based on the way the two orbit one another. But the moons of UB313 and EL61 are too small to have exerted much tidal pull on anything, says Brown's team. And the two giant comets appear to be spinning quickly, a sign that something sizeable smacked into them at some point. Based on the shape of their moons' orbits, it appears more likely that big impacts between comets spread a ring of debris around those two, and their moons coalesced from that wreckage. While once Pluto appeared unique in the outer solar system in terms of size and satellite formation mechanism, it now appears to be one of a family of similar-sized objects with perhaps similar collisional histories, Brown's team concludes. In other words, don't pretend UB313 isn't a planet on the grounds that it formed differently than Pluto, Brown is saying. Because that may not be the case. Interestingly, Earth's moon likely formed from a similar collision 4.5 billion years ago, when something bigger than Mars collided with the planet's northern half. And the moon is actually bigger at 2,160 miles diameter, than Pluto or UB313. But at least our planet has something in common with the maybe-planets of the Kuiper Belt. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Interplanetary Dust Particles: Reproducing GEMS-Like Structure in the Laboratory
http://www.physorg.com/news10849.html Interplanetary dust particles: reproducing GEMS-like structure in the laboratory physorg.com February 14, 2006 In a coming issue, Astronomy Astrophysics presents new laboratory results that provide some important clues to the possible origins of exotic mineral grains in interplanetary dust. Studying interplanetary grains is currently a hot topic within the framework of the NASA Stardust mission, which recently brought back some samples of these grains. They are among the most primitive material ever collected. Their study will lead to a better understanding of the formation and evolution of our Solar System. Through dedicated laboratory experiments aimed at simulating the possible evolution of cosmic materials in space, C. Davoisne and her colleagues explored the origin of the so-called GEMS (glass with embedded metal and sulphides). GEMS is a major component of the primitive interplanetary dust particles (IDPs). They are a few 100 nm in size and are composed of a silicate glass that includes small, rounded grains of iron/nickel and metal sulphide (Figure 1). A small fraction of the GEMS (less than 5%) have presolar composition and could therefore have an interstellar origin. The remainder have solar composition and may have been formed or processed in the early Solar System. The varied compositions of the GEMS make it difficult to arrive at a consensus regarding their origin and formation process. The team first postulates that the GEMS precursors originated in the interstellar medium and were progressively heated in the protosolar nebula. To test the validity of this hypothesis a joint experimental project involving two French laboratories, the Laboratoire de Structure et Propri?t?s de lEtat Solide (LSPES) in Lille and the Institut dAstrophysique Spatiale (IAS) in Orsay, was set up. Z. Djouadi, at the IAS, heated various amorphous samples of olivine ((Mg,Fe)2SiO4) under high vacuum and at temperatures ranging from 500 to 750°C. After heating, the samples show microstructures that closely resemble those of the GEMS, with rounded iron nanograins that are seen to be embedded in a silicate glass (Figure 2). This is the first time that a GEMS-like structure has been reproduced by laboratory experiments. There, they show that the iron oxide (FeO) component of the amorphous silicates has undergone a chemical reaction known as reduction, in which the iron gains electrons and releases its oxygen, to precipitate in a metallic form. Since the GEMS component in IDPs is usually closely associated with carbonaceous matter, the reaction FeO + C -- Fe + CO will be at the source of the metallic iron nanograins in these IDPs. Such conditions may have been encountered in the primitive solar nebula. This reaction has been known of for centuries by metallurgists, but the originality of the LSPES/IAS approach is the application of material science concepts to extreme astrophysical environments. In addition, the scientists found that, in the heated sample, practically no iron remains in the silicate glass, since all the iron has migrated into the metal grains. The team is thus able to explain why the dust observed around evolved stars and in comets is mainly composed of magnesium-rich silicates where iron is apparently lacking. Indeed, iron in metallic spherules becomes totally undetectable by the usual remote spectroscopic techniques. This work could therefore provide an important and new insight into the composition of interstellar grains as well. The team shows that GEMS could form through a specific heating process that would affect grains of various origins. The process may be very common and could occur both in the Solar System and around other stars. The GEMS could thus have diverse origins. Scientists now eagerly await the analysis of grains collected by Stardust to find out for certain that some GEMS truly come from the interstellar medium. Source: Journal Astronomy and Astrophysics __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rover Arrives Safely at 'Home Plate'
http://www.pasadenastarnews.com/news/ci_3507223 Rover arrives safely at `Home Plate' By ALICIA CHANG Associated Press February 14, 2006 LA CANADA FLINTRIDGE - The Mars rover Spirit has hit a home run by landing in a rugged plateau dubbed Home Plate, but scientists are still trying to decipher its geology. The six-wheeled Spirit reached the northern edge of the broad mesa last week about four months after climbing down from a Martian hill as tall as the Statue of Liberty. Scientists believe Home Plate - which stands about 6 feet high - holds important geologic clues to the Red Planet's past. So far, scientists say they are puzzled by what they have seen. Unlike other areas of Gusev Crater that Spirit has analyzed, Home Plate is made of highly layered rocks that are coarse at the bottom and fine at the top. It's stunning ... by far the best layering we've ever seen at Gusev, principal investigator Steve Squyres of Cornell University recently posted on his Web site. Squyres said it's too early to say what the rocks are made of, or how it fits into the Mars story. Layered rocks can be formed several different ways, such as by a volcanic eruption or impact crater. They also can be deposited there by wind or water. Squyres said it appears that the rocks were formed from a volcanic explosion, but more study is needed. The bottom line for now is that we've got a spectacular mystery in front of us, and far more questions than we have answers, Squyres wrote. Previous examination of the crater by Spirit reveals a violent history. Three outcrops examined by the rover displayed deposits of water-altered debris from explosive events. Scientists believe hot ash once fell from the sky about 4 billion years ago. During that time, water was present, but not a large amount. Engineers plan to steer Spirit toward a rugged rock outcrop that scientists have nicknamed Gibson after the baseball catcher Josh Gibson. Engineers have not decided how long they intend to keep Spirit there. Spirit and its twin, Opportunity, have been exploring opposite sides of Mars since January 2004. The solar-powered robots, managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, have outlasted their primary mission and are working on overtime. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Not. A fragment. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 18:09 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Gary and List, Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg The edge-on view looks like this may be (or may once have been) a roll-over lip. The back and the regmaglypted views look more this may be a spalled-off piece off a larger mass. So maybe this is part of what may once have been a conical (and thus flight-oriented) mass. The compromise might be what Jim Strope called a flight-marked specimen in a former discussion on this thread. Cheers, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
give them candy. : ) take care susan - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 11:27 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Gary, Ditto what others have said plus one more suggestion. I love to tell stories and they can be powerful teaching tools. A few that involve kids include Nobelsville, Ensisheim, Mbale, and of course Oakley, Idaho among others. Kids relate to kids, so any human/meteorite connection involving kids gives the children a place to hang the new information. One of the reasons the general population gets that deer-in-the-headlights look is that almost everything about meteorites is new to them, and there are few or no pigieon holes in their brains in which to place all the mindboggling concepts and facts. But toss in that people ate the meteorites (Mbale, but maybe skip the AIDS part), or ran and hid from it (Zagami) or sold it to go to college (Nobelsville) or my favorite, just what was Michell doing on the couch with her boyfriend when her car was smashed by a meteorite? (Peekskill), and the smiles tell you your audience understands. With all the great tales about doorstops, plough weights, Steve Arnold (take your pick) and local falls and finds in your own state/country, it will be hard to keep within your allocated timeframe. And kids love them because they can remember them. I know the Nakhla dog issue is...well, I don't want to go there, but should such a tale slip outsmile! Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Definitively? Not challenging, just curious. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 18:17, Martin Altmann wrote: Not. A fragment. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 18:09 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Interesting. Thanks Bernd. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 17:19, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Gary and List, Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg The edge-on view looks like this may be (or may once have been) a roll-over lip. The back and the regmaglypted views look more this may be a spalled-off piece off a larger mass. So maybe this is part of what may once have been a conical (and thus flight-oriented) mass. The compromise might be what Jim Strope called a flight-marked specimen in a former discussion on this thread. Cheers, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Gary, Apologies for typos. I am writing this between patients. Done this many times. It's fun. Here is what I suggest. Kids that age are very visual and active. One neat thing to do is to have some volunteers act out the positions of the planets, including the asteroid belt. If you have enough room, have them orbit the sun. It shows them that the universe is not statis and things do change up there. No need to go into detail on Kepler's laws of motion, however. It also is a chance to demonstrate how collisions among asteroids can produce meteorites here on earth. If you can, ask the teacher beforehand and see who the students are who are not interested in science type stuff and get them involved in the solar system demonstraton. If anyone has seen the Mad Mission to Mrs at the visitors center at the Kennedy Space Center, you know what I am talking about! Another thing you could do is to take along an empty pop bottle (1 or 2 liter size) to demonstrate how asteroids can become breciaas and how different inclusions can end up in different materoites. Pour in some sand, mix some different rocks, more sand, etc. Make sure the rocks end up so the kids can see them through the plastic. Ad lib as needed but keep the language simple. You want to show them that meteorites are made up of differenet things. Pass around some material but be careful. Dont' pass around sharp Sikhote-Alin shrapnel or really fragile stuff. I once passed around a Riker mount with the most beautiful large slice of Allende in it and when it returned, the Allende was broken. Lesson learned. I never have been able to replace it (sigh...) While the kids are looking at it, explain in simple terms the fusion crust and why it is so heavy for it's size but keep it simple. If you can, bring in some meteorwrongs and explain the differences. At my last talk, the kids were prepared and brought in several meteorites of their own. Be respectful and polite and let them down easy if they bring in some rocks for you to examine. If you can, give away small samples with a brief, simple one-page write up. Gear some of this for their parents, with web site URLs etc. Keep it simple. I did one last week with a picture of meteor crater, which is always an attention-getter. Kids also remember things more easily if you can somehow relate the discussion back to themselves. You can expliai that much of the stuff found in meteorites is the same stuff in their bodies. The iron and calcium is the same iron and calcium in the blood and bones. Again, keep it simple so don't use words like nucleosynthesis. Hope this helps. Have fun and remember it is more important that with that age group, you promote interest and enthusiasm, rather then trying to force them to remember a bunch of scientific facts. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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yes, Martin, right. Good advice. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Martin Horejsi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Hi Gary, Ditto what others have said plus one more suggestion. I love to tell stories and they can be powerful teaching tools. A few that involve kids include Nobelsville, Ensisheim, Mbale, and of course Oakley, Idaho among others. Kids relate to kids, so any human/meteorite connection involving kids gives the children a place to hang the new information. One of the reasons the general population gets that deer-in-the-headlights look is that almost everything about meteorites is new to them, and there are few or no pigieon holes in their brains in which to place all the mindboggling concepts and facts. But toss in that people ate the meteorites (Mbale, but maybe skip the AIDS part), or ran and hid from it (Zagami) or sold it to go to college (Nobelsville) or my favorite, just what was Michell doing on the couch with her boyfriend when her car was smashed by a meteorite? (Peekskill), and the smiles tell you your audience understands. With all the great tales about doorstops, plough weights, Steve Arnold (take your pick) and local falls and finds in your own state/country, it will be hard to keep within your allocated timeframe. And kids love them because they can remember them. I know the Nakhla dog issue is...well, I don't want to go there, but should such a tale slip outsmile! Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Dave, made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed yea, good one!!! Beats the old baking soda and vinager volcano! -Walter - - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day. 1541 East University If you teach a man to fish, University of Arizonayou feed him for a lifetime. Tucson, AZ 85721-0063 ~Chinese Proverb Phone: 520-621-6947 FAX:520-621-8364 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Definetely, but I'm extremely conservative. For me a stone is oriented, when I clearly can see were the front and where the back is, flight marks, who indicate a direction would be helpful too. Sometimes there exist e.g. little Sikhotes with flattened ends with bulges on the opposite ends od the piece and the flattened ends each show radial flowlines. Oriented? For me not :-) Why? Because the piece has two fronts, but no back!! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Gary K. Foote [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 18:40 An: Martin Altmann Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? Definitively? Not challenging, just curious. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 18:17, Martin Altmann wrote: Not. A fragment. -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Gary K. Foote Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 18:09 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Walter and all, The dry ice comet is a great demo if you are allowed to do it. Sometimes dry ice and ammonia are on the elementary school banned list. This activity is one of the more accurate demos possible, and usually you can get great off-gassing jets projected using an overhead. The activity can be found here under comet basics: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/classroom/guides.html And a cool pic if you haven't seen it is in my latest Accretion Desk article at the Meteorite Times .com is a pic of Carolyn Shoemaker and Paul Wild are building a dry ice comet. Here is the pic's caption: In a most memorable convergence of people in time, Paul Wild who discovered comet Wild2 in 1978, and Carolyn Shoemaker, the discoverer of more comets than anyone else on this planet build a model comet with dry ice, ammonia and sand. Cheers, Martin On 2/14/06, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed yea, good one!!! Beats the old baking soda and vinager volcano! -Walter - - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
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Bullets that have switched ends during flight. So a conservative description would also exclude spinning entry in a flattened state, forming a circular shield? Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 18:55, Martin Altmann wrote: little Sikhotes with flattened ends with bulges on the opposite ends __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Gotta try this one at home first. lol Gary made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Martin and fellow Listees Martin reminded me of what else I threw in: ammonia; but I only had ammonia-laced soap. That added a bit-- The school never checked the ingredients I used and might not have known what was controlled. Dave Martin Horejsi wrote: Hi Walter and all, The dry ice comet is a great demo if you are allowed to do it. Sometimes dry ice and ammonia are on the elementary school banned list. This activity is one of the more accurate demos possible, and usually you can get great off-gassing jets projected using an overhead. The activity can be found here under comet basics: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/classroom/guides.html And a cool pic if you haven't seen it is in my latest Accretion Desk article at the Meteorite Times .com is a pic of Carolyn Shoemaker and Paul Wild are building a dry ice comet. Here is the pic's caption: In a most memorable convergence of people in time, Paul Wild who discovered comet Wild2 in 1978, and Carolyn Shoemaker, the discoverer of more comets than anyone else on this planet build a model comet with dry ice, ammonia and sand. Cheers, Martin On 2/14/06, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed yea, good one!!! Beats the old baking soda and vinager volcano! -Walter - - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
I gave a lecture for my kids school (also at age 8). I started with a nightime story, a kid going to bed, then suddenly in the middle of the night a crash sound, breaking noises and when he turned the light off his room window and ceiling was broken (you have to put some suspense telling it). Then tell the story is true, it happened a couple of years ago in Park forest. Kids loved this starting and start go put a lot of attention (at least in the next minutes) Don't forget to mention mars and the moon meteorites (if you can show them theese meteorites much better). A video of Peekskill (or another fall) is a good idea. If you have a pallasite slice don't forget to bring it (in a membrane box it is safe). Girls love gems from space. And of course, the theories of life caming from space with carbonaceous meteorites, and especially the mass death of the dinosaurs are highlights that can't be missed. At that age kids love to discover things, so they will like anything new. good luck Eduardo -Original Message- From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:01 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Dr. Larry A. Lebofsky Senior Research Scientist Co-editor, Meteorite If you give a man a fish, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory you feed him for a day.
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Thanks Walter. I figured to walk around the class with samples letting each hold them one at a time to keep track of things. Talk while I walk. Not sure if I can get use of the theatre for the orbits because the whole school would come and the 'playing field' of discussion would have to be too wide. Am planning to take pics of Barringer and some satellite pics of old impact scars to show erosion. Bringing some orienteds and some shrapnel. A slice of 869 and some sandpaper [good tip i heard earlier here] and some fragments to hand out. I like the pop bottle breccia idea too - thanks. Where I cant use orbiting kids i plan to use the blackboard. yuk. but at least it works. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 12:43, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Gary, Apologies for typos. I am writing this between patients. Done this many times. It's fun. Here is what I suggest. Kids that age are very visual and active. One neat thing to do is to have some volunteers act out the positions of the planets, including the asteroid belt. If you have enough room, have them orbit the sun. It shows them that the universe is not statis and things do change up there. No need to go into detail on Kepler's laws of motion, however. It also is a chance to demonstrate how collisions among asteroids can produce meteorites here on earth. If you can, ask the teacher beforehand and see who the students are who are not interested in science type stuff and get them involved in the solar system demonstraton. If anyone has seen the Mad Mission to Mrs at the visitors center at the Kennedy Space Center, you know what I am talking about! Another thing you could do is to take along an empty pop bottle (1 or 2 liter size) to demonstrate how asteroids ca become breciaas and how different inclusions can end up in different materoites. Pour in some sand, mix some different rocks, more sand, etc. Make sure the rocks end up so the kids can see them through the plastic. Ad lib as needed but keep the language simple. You want to show them that meteorites are made up of differenet things. Pass around some material but be careful. Dont' pass around sharp Sikhote-Alin shrapnel or really fragile stuff. I once passed around a Riker mount with the most beautiful large slice of Allende in it and when it returned, the Allende was broken. Lesson learned. I never have been able to replace it (sigh...) While the kids are looking at it, explain in simple terms the fusion crust and why it is so heavy for it's size but keep it simple. If you can, bring in some meteorwrongs and explain the differences. At my last talk, the kids were prepared and brought in several meteorites of their own. Be respectful and polite and let them down easy if they bring in some rocks for you to examine. If you can, give away small samples with a brief, simple one-page write up. Gear some of this for their parents, with web site URLs etc. Keep it simple. I did one last week with a picture of meteor crater, which is always an attention-getter. Kids also remember things more easily if you can somehow relate the discussion back to themselves. You can expliai that much of the stuff found in meteorites is the same stuff in their bodies. The iron and calcium is the same iron and calcium in the blood and bones. Again, keep it simple so don't use words like nucleosynthesis. Hope this helps. Have fun and remember it is more important that with that age group, you promote interest and enthusiasm, rather then trying to force them to remember a bunch of scientific facts. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Eduardo, Hey, that is a good way to begin the discussion. I will have to remember that for next time. Very nice, with the drama and all. A little Steven Speilberg-like (but not Irwin Allen). Good idea, tying it in to the demise of the dinosaurs. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Eduardo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:40 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? I gave a lecture for my kids school (also at age 8). I started with a nightime story, a kid going to bed, then suddenly in the middle of the night a crash sound, breaking noises and when he turned the light off his room window and ceiling was broken (you have to put some suspense telling it). Then tell the story is true, it happened a couple of years ago in Park forest. Kids loved this starting and start go put a lot of attention (at least in the next minutes) Don't forget to mention mars and the moon meteorites (if you can show them theese meteorites much better). A video of Peekskill (or another fall) is a good idea. If you have a pallasite slice don't forget to bring it (in a membrane box it is safe). Girls love gems from space. And of course, the theories of life caming from space with carbonaceous meteorites, and especially the mass death of the dinosaurs are highlights that can't be missed. At that age kids love to discover things, so they will like anything new. good luck Eduardo -Original Message- From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:01 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming
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Where I cant use orbiting kids Awe, reconsider Gary. Orbiting kids are fun!!! Gotta watch those collisions though. Some kids carry it a bit too far.. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 1:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Thanks Walter. I figured to walk around the class with samples letting each hold them one at a time to keep track of things. Talk while I walk. Not sure if I can get use of the theatre for the orbits because the whole school would come and the 'playing field' of discussion would have to be too wide. Am planning to take pics of Barringer and some satellite pics of old impact scars to show erosion. Bringing some orienteds and some shrapnel. A slice of 869 and some sandpaper [good tip i heard earlier here] and some fragments to hand out. I like the pop bottle breccia idea too - thanks. Where I cant use orbiting kids i plan to use the blackboard. yuk. but at least it works. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 12:43, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Gary, Apologies for typos. I am writing this between patients. Done this many times. It's fun. Here is what I suggest. Kids that age are very visual and active. One neat thing to do is to have some volunteers act out the positions of the planets, including the asteroid belt. If you have enough room, have them orbit the sun. It shows them that the universe is not statis and things do change up there. No need to go into detail on Kepler's laws of motion, however. It also is a chance to demonstrate how collisions among asteroids can produce meteorites here on earth. If you can, ask the teacher beforehand and see who the students are who are not interested in science type stuff and get them involved in the solar system demonstraton. If anyone has seen the Mad Mission to Mrs at the visitors center at the Kennedy Space Center, you know what I am talking about! Another thing you could do is to take along an empty pop bottle (1 or 2 liter size) to demonstrate how asteroids ca become breciaas and how different inclusions can end up in different materoites. Pour in some sand, mix some different rocks, more sand, etc. Make sure the rocks end up so the kids can see them through the plastic. Ad lib as needed but keep the language simple. You want to show them that meteorites are made up of differenet things. Pass around some material but be careful. Dont' pass around sharp Sikhote-Alin shrapnel or really fragile stuff. I once passed around a Riker mount with the most beautiful large slice of Allende in it and when it returned, the Allende was broken. Lesson learned. I never have been able to replace it (sigh...) While the kids are looking at it, explain in simple terms the fusion crust and why it is so heavy for it's size but keep it simple. If you can, bring in some meteorwrongs and explain the differences. At my last talk, the kids were prepared and brought in several meteorites of their own. Be respectful and polite and let them down easy if they bring in some rocks for you to examine. If you can, give away small samples with a brief, simple one-page write up. Gear some of this for their parents, with web site URLs etc. Keep it simple. I did one last week with a picture of meteor crater, which is always an attention-getter. Kids also remember things more easily if you can somehow relate the discussion back to themselves. You can expliai that much of the stuff found in meteorites is the same stuff in their bodies. The iron and calcium is the same iron and calcium in the blood and bones. Again, keep it simple so don't use words like nucleosynthesis. Hope this helps. Have fun and remember it is more important that with that age group, you promote interest and enthusiasm, rather then trying to force them to remember a bunch of scientific facts. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron and a few others had some good advice [thanks everyone], but I wonder if anyone else can offer me some tips on making a good, lasting impression on 8 year olds. __ Meteorite-list mailing list
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While discussing this special topic, right now I am definitely missing a contribution of our very dear meteorite friend Stuart Atkinson from Cockermouth/Scotland, a novel writer, and if I correctly recall his former posts from a very distant past of this group here at meteoritecentral, also a very dedicated teacher of basic meteoritics to young pupils in his area, along with all his spoken skills of vividly acting in front of a young crowd, passing around small hand specimen from his own collection etc Still out there, Stu? Alex Berlin/Germany __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
For me its few oriented, but not totaly. A oriented Campo its this I have in collection, Hans Koser have sold to me have confirm is oriented http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/CampodelCielo2.JPG Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Saturn's Inner Moons - More Rubble Than Ice
http://www.newscientistspace.com/article/dn8720--saturns-inner-moons--more-rubble-than-ice.html Saturn's inner moons - more rubble than ice Kimm Groshong New Scientist 14 February 2006 Saturn's small, inner moons may not be huge chunks of ice as once thought, but rather rubble piles of material built up around small central cores, a team of Cassini scientists suggests. Before the Cassini mission to Saturn's moons, scientists knew small moons such as Pan, Atlas, Janus and Epimetheus orbited the ringed planet. But we didn't have good pictures of them. We didn't have measurements of their shape, says Carolyn Porco, Cassini Imaging Science Team leader from the Space Science Institute in Boulder, Colorado, US. It could have been that they were collisional shards, monolithic pieces of ice. But now that Cassini has relayed images of those satellites back to Earth and scientists have examined the moons' shapes, estimated their masses and calculated their densities, Porco says that does not look to be the case. Instead, she says, the rounded football shape of Calypso, Telesto (pictured), Epimetheus, Janus, Pandora, Prometheus, Atlas and Pan is characteristic of accreted bodies - where material has built up around a core. The moons are almost undoubtedly rubble piles formed through accretion, Porco told New Scientist. Scientists still do not have reliable masses for two of the so-called Trojan moons of Saturn - Telesto and Calypso - but the team includes them as satellites likely to have been accreted based on their shape in Cassini's recent pictures. The very low densities - between about 0.4 and 0.6 grams per cubic centimetre - calculated for the moons with known masses further support the rubble pile theory. The team is scheduled to present its results at the Lunar and Planetary Science Conference in Houston, Texas, US, in March 2006. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Do you have edge and flip-side views Matteo? gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 20:14, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: For me its few oriented, but not totaly. A oriented Campo its this I have in collection, Hans Koser have sold to me have confirm is oriented http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/CampodelCielo2.JPG Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Thanks for the link Martin. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 10:30, Dave Mouat wrote: Hi Martin and fellow Listees Martin reminded me of what else I threw in: ammonia; but I only had ammonia-laced soap. That added a bit-- The school never checked the ingredients I used and might not have known what was controlled. Dave Martin Horejsi wrote: Hi Walter and all, The dry ice comet is a great demo if you are allowed to do it. Sometimes dry ice and ammonia are on the elementary school banned list. This activity is one of the more accurate demos possible, and usually you can get great off-gassing jets projected using an overhead. The activity can be found here under comet basics: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/classroom/guides.html And a cool pic if you haven't seen it is in my latest Accretion Desk article at the Meteorite Times .com is a pic of Carolyn Shoemaker and Paul Wild are building a dry ice comet. Here is the pic's caption: In a most memorable convergence of people in time, Paul Wild who discovered comet Wild2 in 1978, and Carolyn Shoemaker, the discoverer of more comets than anyone else on this planet build a model comet with dry ice, ammonia and sand. Cheers, Martin On 2/14/06, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed yea, good one!!! Beats the old baking soda and vinager volcano! -Walter - - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Du! The Garza Park Forest meteorite. Only the best kid story on this planet! I cannot belive I missed that one. Oh, I know why. Because I usually don't carry my Garza stone around with me for fear I might ruin it's character. Maybe I will now though. http://www.meteoritetimes.com/Back_Links/2003/June/Accretion_Desk.htm Good to see you again in Tucson Eduardo. Cheers, Martin On 2/14/06, Eduardo. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I gave a lecture for my kids school (also at age 8). I started with a nightime story, a kid going to bed, then suddenly in the middle of the night a crash sound, breaking noises and when he turned the light off his room window and ceiling was broken (you have to put some suspense telling it). Then tell the story is true, it happened a couple of years ago in Park forest. Kids loved this starting and start go put a lot of attention (at least in the next minutes) Don't forget to mention mars and the moon meteorites (if you can show them theese meteorites much better). A video of Peekskill (or another fall) is a good idea. If you have a pallasite slice don't forget to bring it (in a membrane box it is safe). Girls love gems from space. And of course, the theories of life caming from space with carbonaceous meteorites, and especially the mass death of the dinosaurs are highlights that can't be missed. At that age kids love to discover things, so they will like anything new. good luck Eduardo -Original Message- From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 09:46:01 -0800 Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have an iron (best because it is different), hand it around with an equal-sized meteorwrong. It makes a point. Most other meteorites look like rocks so it is difficult for young kids to relate to these coming from space. 4. Have fun, get excited: you may get a few converts to science (or at least an interest in meteorites). Hope this helps. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi Everyone, Ron Wesel has been gracious to offer some samples of NWS to me for a couple of class presentations I will make on meteorites this coming month. I've been reading all the books and think I know it all now [HA!] Ron
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
No, but behind its well visible its a shield without thumbprints, in the photo its visible the face. Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Do you have edge and flip-side views Matteo? gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 20:14, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: For me its few oriented, but not totaly. A oriented Campo its this I have in collection, Hans Koser have sold to me have confirm is oriented http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/CampodelCielo2.JPG Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
same as mine On 14 Feb 2006 at 21:32, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: No, but behind its well visible its a shield without thumbprints, in the photo its visible the face. Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Do you have edge and flip-side views Matteo? gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 20:14, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: For me its few oriented, but not totaly. A oriented Campo its this I have in collection, Hans Koser have sold to me have confirm is oriented http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/CampodelCielo2.JPG Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
Sorry.NOT. But it is as oriented as some of the bricks you see on ebay. See examples of true orientation: http://www.meteorite.ch/en/oriented/ Mark From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:09:10 -0500 Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
The Taza Cone its a super oriented Matteo --- Mark Rexburg [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Sorry.NOT. But it is as oriented as some of the bricks you see on ebay. See examples of true orientation: http://www.meteorite.ch/en/oriented/ Mark From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 12:09:10 -0500 Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: chiama da PC a telefono a tariffe esclusive http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: page of great Sikhote BULLETS just posted to our website
List, With all the talk about oriented stones, I thought I'd get some great new strongly flight-oriented Sikhote Alin bullets posted. Check out the Sikhote Alin page at http://TektiteSource.com I'll be posting these to ebay over the next few months, but they are available from the website untill then. Thanks, Norm http://TektiteSource.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
No seems to be the consensus. Can anyone tell me why one side is smooth as if a shield? Edges all show some semblance of lip except one area about 6cm long. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 13:02, Mark Rexburg wrote: Sorry.NOT. But it is as oriented as some of the bricks you see on ebay. [snip] Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Gary, it really isn't necessary to reply to all every time you want to thank someone, I was gone from home for 3 hours and come home to 40 more list messages, It is getting overwhelming. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:44 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Thanks for the link Martin. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 10:30, Dave Mouat wrote: Hi Martin and fellow Listees Martin reminded me of what else I threw in: ammonia; but I only had ammonia-laced soap. That added a bit-- The school never checked the ingredients I used and might not have known what was controlled. Dave Martin Horejsi wrote: Hi Walter and all, The dry ice comet is a great demo if you are allowed to do it. Sometimes dry ice and ammonia are on the elementary school banned list. This activity is one of the more accurate demos possible, and usually you can get great off-gassing jets projected using an overhead. The activity can be found here under comet basics: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/classroom/guides.html And a cool pic if you haven't seen it is in my latest Accretion Desk article at the Meteorite Times .com is a pic of Carolyn Shoemaker and Paul Wild are building a dry ice comet. Here is the pic's caption: In a most memorable convergence of people in time, Paul Wild who discovered comet Wild2 in 1978, and Carolyn Shoemaker, the discoverer of more comets than anyone else on this planet build a model comet with dry ice, ammonia and sand. Cheers, Martin On 2/14/06, Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dave, made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed yea, good one!!! Beats the old baking soda and vinager volcano! -Walter - - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Dear Gary and fellow Listees There has been a lot said about the topic of presenting to young kids. Humor, imagination, enthusiasm, the right level (not over their heads but not under either), good speaking skills (if you're concerned about this part, write notes and practice with someone). Martin's suggestion of giving them little specimens is a good one. Years ago, I offered to talk about comets and meteorites/meteors to a 4th grade class. A certain ex-dealer sold me about 25 small Gibeons for a really good price. I put them in little glass jars (10 or 20 ml), handed them out. I brought some large irons with a window polished and etched, a large chondrite, a large slice of Albin. The 4th grade class went nuts, however, when I made the comet (dry ice, water, syrup, dirt). Placed the pyrex jar in front of a fan, made sure the kids were more or less behind the comet, poured warm water into the mixture. Have a good time with this!! Dave Martin Altmann wrote: 5. Take little samples with you (small Gaos, Canyon Diablos, Henburies) and distribute them as little presents, for them exitedly showing them to their parents and friends. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Larry Lebofsky Gesendet: Dienstag, 14. Februar 2006 16:43 An: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips? Gary: I have been doing this with kids from elementary school up through college for some time. Everyone does this differently since we all have different backgrounds and expertise. Don't be afraid to say that you do not know the answer. This is better than giving them bad information. I am an asteroid scientist so I know a lot (but not everything) about asteroids and a lot less about meteorites. That is a part of why we do what we do: to learn more. 1. Keep it fairly simple (but be prepared for some good questions). You might start out by asking them simple questions about what is in the Solar System. Good chance to feel them out. At this age they may know about Cassini and other recent missions or they might not know there are nine (or 10) planets. 2. Make connections: show pictures of asteroids and meteors. Explain asteroid, meteoroid, meteor, meteorite. 3. LET THEM HOLD THE STUFF (if not too fragile or valuable). If you have
[meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I purchased seems to be the 2.55-gram part slice - also very metal-rich and almost like my little NWA 2656 with all its delicate veins and veinlets. It doesn't show those slender troilite inclusions but this part slice would be my choice no. 2. I'd buy both of them if I could afford it! What makes acapulcoites, and especially this one, so interesting is their achondritic, granular texture and, at the same time, they have an ordinary chondrite mineralogy. That's why you find both abundant metal (similar to H chondrites!) and sulfide in them. Another interesting feature is the rare occurrence of relict chondrules, and, as they do not plot too far away from both angrites, brachinites on the one hand, and from ureilites on the other, you will also find grain boundaries meeting in triple junctions (120°). Best Acapucoitic wishes, and Good Night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
I inform all I have the last 2 little slices of NWA 1054 acapulcoite with new iron-nichel posphide found...one its go sold todayended this 2 pieces no others its available. Matteo --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I purchased seems to be the 2.55-gram part slice - also very metal-rich and almost like my little NWA 2656 with all its delicate veins and veinlets. It doesn't show those slender troilite inclusions but this part slice would be my choice no. 2. I'd buy both of them if I could afford it! What makes acapulcoites, and especially this one, so interesting is their achondritic, granular texture and, at the same time, they have an ordinary chondrite mineralogy. That's why you find both abundant metal (similar to H chondrites!) and sulfide in them. Another interesting feature is the rare occurrence of relict chondrules, and, as they do not plot too far away from both angrites, brachinites on the one hand, and from ureilites on the other, you will also find grain boundaries meeting in triple junctions (120°). Best Acapucoitic wishes, and Good Night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Simply trying to honor those who are helping with public recognition. Sorry to have filled your email box with trivia Mike. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 14:24, Michael Farmer wrote: Gary, it really isn't necessary to reply to all every time you want to thank someone, I was gone from home for 3 hours and come home to 40 more list messages, It is getting overwhelming. Mike Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
Hi List Oriented or not? That is the question. For sure all individuals meteorites are oriented, not all with super oriented evidences with flew lines, regmaglyts, lips, noise cone, scoops, fusion crust ... the problem is the word oriented is to large. How is oriented? We must find a better definition for this word about meteorites, why not a classification? or a qualification? Sorry for the luanguage (is not mine), i hope you understand what i wanted to say Sincerely to All Arnaud Valz-Blin IMCA#2093 --- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. 06 13 24 09 84 --- - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? No, but behind its well visible its a shield without thumbprints, in the photo its visible the face. Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Do you have edge and flip-side views Matteo? gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 20:14, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: For me its few oriented, but not totaly. A oriented Campo its this I have in collection, Hans Koser have sold to me have confirm is oriented http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/CampodelCielo2.JPG Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Hello Everyone, I want to thank everyone who contributed to this discussion today. I felt it was very informative and I have printed the everyone's contributions and ideas for future reference. The ideas I got today will certainly improve my future presentations to kids. -Walter Branch __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mike's Webpage
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Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not?
I think that's a great idea. I was beginning to get the impressing that oriented meant many things to many people. Classification may be harder, but in the end more descriptive of reality. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 23:15, A.V.B wrote: Hi List Oriented or not? That is the question. For sure all individuals meteorites are oriented, not all with super oriented evidences with flew lines, regmaglyts, lips, noise cone, scoops, fusion crust ... the problem is the word oriented is to large. How is oriented? We must find a better definition for this word about meteorites, why not a classification? or a qualification? Sorry for the luanguage (is not mine), i hope you understand what i wanted to say Sincerely to All Arnaud Valz-Blin IMCA#2093 --- E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel. 06 13 24 09 84 --- - Original Message - From: M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oriented or not? No, but behind its well visible its a shield without thumbprints, in the photo its visible the face. Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Do you have edge and flip-side views Matteo? gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 20:14, M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: For me its few oriented, but not totaly. A oriented Campo its this I have in collection, Hans Koser have sold to me have confirm is oriented http://it.geocities.com/tunguska2004/CampodelCielo2.JPG Matteo --- Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Campo iron. Three views. Oriented or not? I can't make up my mind. http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840g-regmaglypts.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-back.jpg http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/images/campo-840-edge.jpg Gary __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi Bernd and all, Thank you for the kind words on NWA 2989. This is one very hard meteorite to image properly. Images of the two pieces that were pointed out were taken at a slightly different angle than the rest. All were polished to 3,000 grit so they reflect like a mirror into my camera making it difficult to get consistent images. Not to advertise any more but this Acapulcoite looks awesome at 30X. Anybody who already has any of this under a pairing should look at their specimens under magnification, a true beauty! Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] Elementary school presentation tips?
Gary: Went away for a few hours and now trying to catch up on the emails. If you do the comet (not sure I would do the comet AND meteorites on the same day -- too much for just about any grade level), be sure to do it safely --- gloves and eye protection. As an aside, I might be one of the few people to be paid big bucks for doing this demo: Discovery Channel flew someone in from England to do the interview, hired a local camera person, and spent 3 hours taping 4 or 5 comets (we had to provide the supplies). My wife assisted, but only her hands were seen (so they did not have to pay her), Michael Dorn (Worf from Startrek) was the narrator, and I got paid 4 quarters!!! Over 25 cents an hour! With respect to doing the Solar System model, there are a number of scale models around. We do one with macrame (see how that translates; the stuff you hang plants with) so that they get a good feel for the scale of the Solar System. If you have enough space (pun intended) with a 1/2 inch (1.25 cm) Sun, Pluto is 200 feet (60 meters) away. Perfect for a playground and you can get the kids to revolve around the Sun. Larry Quoting Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks for the link Martin. Gary On 14 Feb 2006 at 10:30, Dave Mouat wrote: Hi Martin and fellow Listees Martin reminded me of what else I threw in: ammonia; but I only had ammonia-laced soap. That added a bit-- The school never checked the ingredients I used and might not have known what was controlled. Dave Martin Horejsi wrote: Hi Walter and all, The dry ice comet is a great demo if you are allowed to do it. Sometimes dry ice and ammonia are on the elementary school banned list. This activity is one of the more accurate demos possible, and usually you can get great off-gassing jets projected using an overhead. The activity can be found here under comet basics: http://stardust.jpl.nasa.gov/classroom/guides.html And a cool pic if you haven't seen it is in my latest Accretion Desk article at the Meteorite Times .com is a pic of Carolyn Shoemaker and Paul Wild are building a dry ice comet. Here is the pic's caption: In a most memorable convergence of people in time, Paul Wild who discovered comet Wild2 in 1978, and Carolyn Shoemaker, the discoverer of more comets than anyone else on this planet build a model comet with dry ice, ammonia and sand. Cheers, Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi Bernd...Yes, if it is paired to our new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 and NWA 2656, then the provisional write-up in MB90 states that the TKW is accounted for by a single ~ 7.5 kilogram stone which was apparently broken into pieces and sold. Cheers -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I purchased seems to be the 2.55-gram part slice - also very metal-rich and almost like my little NWA 2656 with all its delicate veins and veinlets. It doesn't show those slender troilite inclusions but this part slice would be my choice no. 2. I'd buy both of them if I could afford it! What makes acapulcoites, and especially this one, so interesting is their achondritic, granular texture and, at the same time, they have an ordinary chondrite mineralogy. That's why you find both abundant metal (similar to H chondrites!) and sulfide in them. Another interesting feature is the rare occurrence of relict chondrules, and, as they do not plot too far away from both angrites, brachinites on the one hand, and from ureilites on the other, you will also find grain boundaries meeting in triple junctions (120°). Best Acapucoitic wishes, and Good Night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball Videos
Hi, Google has a beta of a new Google service: Video Search at http://www.video.google.com/ Searches for bolide and fireball produced nothing of interest (assuming you don't care for clips of things that blow up good!), but a search for meteor produced several clips that actually were of meteors (out of a lot of junk): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3459846800126551001q=meteor Disappointingly, all the videos are in a proprietary Google format; the downloadable player is a cobble of Macromedia Flash (useless); and I haven't found any sure way to get to the original source of the clips... But you can watch them, at least. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] oriented meteorites
Anyone of you can go to my website and look under my museum page and look at my 5 kilo campo.I'd say not only sculpted,but very oriented.The shape of an L.It also has it's own purch to sit very nicely. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mike's Webpage
My website will be back up in a day, some issues with lost credit card forced it down and took some time to get it back up since I was in Las Vegas without a clue. Mike - Original Message - From: Marcin Cimala [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 3:29 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mike's Webpage What happend to Meteoriteguy ? -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryt.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.PolandMET.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - Excellent Auctions - Some Museum Quality!
Then were did not get to Yuri Postov's room in time, he had at least 10 of them for sale at the beginning of Tucson show. Holes dont interest me much, so I just got the oriented ones. mike - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 12:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad - Excellent Auctions - Some Museum Quality! Dear List Members, I have several excellent auctions ending in a few hours, many way below what one might expect considering their rarity. I am running a few museum quality pieces this week so you may want to check these out. I would like to introduce a new beautiful Acapulcoite this week called NWA 2989 as well. You will find these items and many more worth looking at by continuing down the page and clicking on the links. To see all of the auctions click on this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Here are some of this week's highlights: NWA 482 moon dust contained in a Sterling Silver and Pyrex pendant: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6603925554 NWA 482 moon dust contained in a 14K gold and Pyrex pendant: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6603926088 NWA 2377 L3.7 with giant chondrule: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6603936980 Spectacular cabinet specimen showing octahedron crystals, the best example I have ever seen: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6604203209 Excellent 600 gram Sikhote Alin with ablation hole: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6604204505 Exceedingly rare 2-holed Sikhote-Alin. I have only heard of one other: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6604207827 Oriented Sikhote Alin Bullet with 360 degree flow lines. One sold in Tucson two weeks ago for $900.00. This is the best example I have left: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6604209624 Introducing a New Beautiful Acapulcoite, NWA 2989: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605568900 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605569491 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605569872 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605570257 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605570685 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605571076 Best Quality NWA 869, 500g Meteorite Lots. I only have about 10 kilograms left of this quality. In Tucson a Moroccan would not budge at .20/gram and the quality was no where near as good. Very little was to be had at the show. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605576055 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605576373 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605576683 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605576945 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605577254 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6605577559 And ... TOO Many other bargains to list can be found at this link: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZraremeteorites Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Take Care, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi List, I believe it is paired to others but mine came as an individual not broken from another piece as far as I can tell. Anyway you look at, this new Acapulcoite is one great looking meteorite, especially when polished to a mirror finish. Take Care, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi Adam...the classification write-up usually states whether it is likely paired to other meteorites. What did your write up state? If it is a complete individual, and it is paired to NWA 2656 and NWA 2714 and others, then I would think the TKW for this grouping must be over 7.5 kilos. Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? Thanks! -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I believe it is paired to others but mine came as an individual not broken from another piece as far as I can tell. Anyway you look at, this new Acapulcoite is one great looking meteorite, especially when polished to a mirror finish. Take Care, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] oriented meteorites
Humm, I don't know, in which direction this discussion is turning, but I have a ungood feeling. My English is bad. I thought always oriented is an elliptic or short form of flight oriented. Of course one can state that everything (except a ball) is oriented. My finger is oriented in a geometrical space, my chair I'm sitting on, my cat too, at least when she's sleeping... For me orientation means, that a piece was shaped during flight, where at least one axis of the specimen was quite stable parallely to the flight direction, or else expressed, that it was not randomly tumbling. That axis I want to recognize on a specimen, I want to see were the apex and where back is, only then I call it oriented. If the regmaglyptes and pits have different sizes and are not elongated in a more or less directional manner than it doesn't help, nor if a a stone has flow lines, here and there, and on each edge in a different direction, as you can find on fresh stones. Or take a pristine good Sikhote, where you find on many edges also of the pits, many flow lines poiting here and there. Call the specimen to have flight marks, but don't call it oriented! Take a look at the oriented Sikhote now from the Hupes on ebay. Here we see radial flow lines and I see where the apex is. It is oriented. If you want to see an oriented Campo, Go on Peter Marmet's page http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id9.html And take a look at that large Campo (above the pic of Ali Hmani). There you see, that it is not only shield shape, but that the regmaglyptes are elongated to the edges and roughly pointing to the tip of the shield. Did I misunderstand the term orientation for 25 years now, am I alone with my opinion, has orientation nothing to do with flight? Sniff. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Steve Arnold, Chicago!! Gesendet: Mittwoch, 15. Februar 2006 00:44 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] oriented meteorites Anyone of you can go to my website and look under my museum page and look at my 5 kilo campo.I'd say not only sculpted,but very oriented.The shape of an L.It also has it's own purch to sit very nicely. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 Illinois Meteorites,Ltd! website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi John and List, As I stated in my auction, the nomenclature is provisional. I do not have an image of the whole stone but I do have a receipt stating the weight of 77 grams. As I mentioned in my auction, this weight was attributed to NWA 2989 only and not any other pairings. It was also mentioned to the List that I believed it to be paired to NWA 2656 which has an official weight of 386 grams. If somebody claimed a false weight on NWA 2656 that is not my problem. I got a good deal on the complete stone so I released my material at a reasonable price. If somebody is complaining about paying $40.00/50.00 a gram for this beauty when others are selling it at 10 times this amount then there truly is a problem regardless of how much weight is out there. I reported what I had correctly. I cannot keep track of other pairings and nobody else can either. You made this argument when we were talking about what constitutes a main mass. If others knew there was more weight and the other pieces came from a single large stone then they should have reported it. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Hi Adam...the classification write-up usually states whether it is likely paired to other meteorites. What did your write up state? If it is a complete individual, and it is paired to NWA 2656 and NWA 2714 and others, then I would think the TKW for this grouping must be over 7.5 kilos. Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? Thanks! -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I believe it is paired to others but mine came as an individual not broken from another piece as far as I can tell. Anyway you look at, this new Acapulcoite is one great looking meteorite, especially when polished to a mirror finish. Take Care, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi Adam...We were just curious, because in your ebay ad you stated that you didn't have any accurate figures on the TKW of pairings, and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg has been publicly available on the internet for months now, and in the Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the following: [Provisional text] Northwest Africa 2656 Morocco or Algeria Find: Purchased 2003 Achondrite (acapulcoite) History: A 386 g broken stone with weathered fusion crust (part of a larger ~7.5 kg mass found in 2003) was purchased in Erfoud, Morocco in 2004 for N. Oakes. Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU; A. Irving, UWS): The specimen is recrystallized into homogeneous polygonal and subhedral grains with a grain size of 1 mm and a somewhat equal distribution of phases. Composition: Olivine Fa8.0 FeO/MnO = 16-19 (N = 25); Orthopyroxene Fs8.4Wo2.4, N = 17; Plagioclase An18.3Ð21.0Or2.8Ð3.4; Chromite, (Cr/Cr+Al) = 0.85, Mg/(Mg+Fe) = 0.41. Troilite, schreibersite and kamacite are also present. Oxygen Isotopes (D. Rumble, CIW): Replicate analyses by laser fluorination gave d17O = 1.71, 1.69ä, d18O = 5.05, 5.04ä, D17O = -0.953, -0.973ä, respectively. Classification: Achondrite (acapulcoite) with minor shock and moderate weathering. Specimens: A 21 g specimen and one polished thin section are on deposit at NAU. Oakes holds the main mass. --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John and List, As I stated in my auction, the nomenclature is provisional. I do not have an image of the whole stone but I do have a receipt stating the weight of 77 grams. As I mentioned in my auction, this weight was attributed to NWA 2989 only and not any other pairings. It was also mentioned to the List that I believed it to be paired to NWA 2656 which has an official weight of 386 grams. If somebody claimed a false weight on NWA 2656 that is not my problem. I got a good deal on the complete stone so I released my material at a reasonable price. If somebody is complaining about paying $40.00/50.00 a gram for this beauty when others are selling it at 10 times this amount then there truly is a problem regardless of how much weight is out there. I reported what I had correctly. I cannot keep track of other pairings and nobody else can either. You made this argument when we were talking about what constitutes a main mass. If others knew there was more weight and the other pieces came from a single large stone then they should have reported it. Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Hi Adam...the classification write-up usually states whether it is likely paired to other meteorites. What did your write up state? If it is a complete individual, and it is paired to NWA 2656 and NWA 2714 and others, then I would think the TKW for this grouping must be over 7.5 kilos. Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? Thanks! -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I believe it is paired to others but mine came as an individual not broken from another piece as far as I can tell. Anyway you look at, this new Acapulcoite is one great looking meteorite, especially when polished to a mirror finish. Take Care, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oriented Photos
I just love the oriented stones. I cant get enough of them. So if you have some for sale Im always a buyer. Here are a couple of the nicer oriented stones that I brought back from the Tucson show. 302 Gram with loads of flow lines : http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/detail?.dir=/bddf.dnm=5a6dre2.jpg.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/detail?.dir=/bddf.dnm=5ee5re2.jpg.src=ph 98 Grams: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/detail?.dir=/bddf.dnm=45a0re2.jpg.src=ph http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/spacerox2001/detail?.dir=/bddf.dnm=818cre2.jpg.src=ph Bob E __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
John and List, I do not see why you are making such an example out of this because it happens all of the time but if any of you felt you were somehow mislead than I would be happy to give you a full refund. You only have to look at any dealers' websites to see the same problem with pairings. Nobody can rightly state proper weights when pairings are involved. It all depends on the honesty of the persons reporting the weight. I described 22 fossils and 18 meteorites in the last seven days and went on notes provided to me by NAU on this one. I did not have the time to go digging through pairing status' on provisional meteorites even though this information was partially publicly available and posts had been made to the List previously to this. I do not think a dealer out there knows how much of any given meteorite is available from NWA when pairings are involved. I cannot understand why somebody would only claim part of a stone when getting it classified. No matter, I will look into this when I find more time. No scientists have determined a pairing status on NWA 2989 so as I stated I do not know what else is out there. I was not trying to mislead anybody, that is not how I operate. In any case, NWA 2989 is a gorgeous new Acapulcoite and I am sure it will be enjoyed by all of those who purchased any. Kind Regards, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
for those that might be curious the mass of 2656 was broken into 'pieces' - as in 2 pieces. Nelson Oaks has one and I have the other, with a few slices being sold off here and there. If Adam's piece is paired then the bueaty of this stuff really cant be understated - it's gorgeous material. IF anyone wants a piece and 4 or 5 grams isnt enough then wirte Nelson, I belive his piece is up for grabs - or at least it was listed in Lang's auction at tucson... From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) Hi Bernd...Yes, if it is paired to our new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 and NWA 2656, then the provisional write-up in MB90 states that the TKW is accounted for by a single ~ 7.5 kilogram stone which was apparently broken into pieces and sold. Cheers -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I purchased seems to be the 2.55-gram part slice - also very metal-rich and almost like my little NWA 2656 with all its delicate veins and veinlets. It doesn't show those slender troilite inclusions but this part slice would be my choice no. 2. I'd buy both of them if I could afford it! What makes acapulcoites, and especially this one, so interesting is their achondritic, granular texture and, at the same time, they have an ordinary chondrite mineralogy. That's why you find both abundant metal (similar to H chondrites!) and sulfide in them. Another interesting feature is the rare occurrence of relict chondrules, and, as they do not plot too far away from both angrites, brachinites on the one hand, and from ureilites on the other, you will also find grain boundaries meeting in triple junctions (120°). Best Acapucoitic wishes, and Good Night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
See John, The world works like this. Meteorite Rule #1 - The Hupes make the rules Meteorite Rule #2 - Rules can chage to suit the Hupes (But nobody elses) needs as the situation arises. In this case it is in Adam's interest to say the TKW is only 77 grams. And if somebody complains about using his NWA number for other items he can quote gospel, some scientist, improper behavior, the back of a budwiser label, or whatever else is necessary to make you stop trying to say that the items is paired. This works wither he is selling something rare or an obvious NWA869 pairing like NWA904. However (See rule #2) if Adam wants to interfere with somebody elses sale (Like two weeks ago just before Tucson) then all of a sudden everything gets paired. Then comes rule #3. When Adam can no longer support his ideas that get attacked using logic and common sense he can cry and go home and say that He wont post anymore and start attacking the other persons character. Like in his past threads that he has - remember how two weeks ago he quoted Ted Bunch as supporting him and then after I told him to clarify Ted Bunches concerns Adam says that I am not making sense and he has no idea what I am talking about? And we never did get Ted Bunches concerns like Adam indicated because before he told us what he was talking about he started to cry and went home - Just after he made derogatory references to me that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. MORAL OF THE STORY This whole thing about pairings and the scientific rules is nothing more than a sad case of My meteorites are better than your meteorites marketing using the Holier than thau excuse (See Rule #1)). I realize John started this particular thread but it was only because Adam likes interfering with everybody elses sales and its simply payback time. All John is doing in informing everybody that Adam's meteorite has a TKW of 7.5 kilos and not 77 grams. For somebody always preeching that he is Holier than thau all the time it is simply another example of adam playing the side of the fence that happens to suit him on any particular day. Sincerely DEAN __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Dean, If you have some personal beef with me take it off of the List. You are always jumping in with your idiotic comments which contribute absolutely nothing and make no sense to me. Why you would want to start a public fight is beyond me. Don't you have something more constructive to do? You were thrown off of the List for this behavior before. Take Care, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hey Dean, When you quote Hupe's you are attacking two people at once. Be more specific with your public posting or better yet, just keep it off list! You obviously have jumped into something just to jump in and mouth off. As the saying goes from the Great White North, Take off, eh! Best regards, Greg Hupe - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite See John, The world works like this. Meteorite Rule #1 - The Hupes make the rules Meteorite Rule #2 - Rules can chage to suit the Hupes (But nobody elses) needs as the situation arises. In this case it is in Adam's interest to say the TKW is only 77 grams. And if somebody complains about using his NWA number for other items he can quote gospel, some scientist, improper behavior, the back of a budwiser label, or whatever else is necessary to make you stop trying to say that the items is paired. This works wither he is selling something rare or an obvious NWA869 pairing like NWA904. However (See rule #2) if Adam wants to interfere with somebody elses sale (Like two weeks ago just before Tucson) then all of a sudden everything gets paired. Then comes rule #3. When Adam can no longer support his ideas that get attacked using logic and common sense he can cry and go home and say that He wont post anymore and start attacking the other persons character. Like in his past threads that he has - remember how two weeks ago he quoted Ted Bunch as supporting him and then after I told him to clarify Ted Bunches concerns Adam says that I am not making sense and he has no idea what I am talking about? And we never did get Ted Bunches concerns like Adam indicated because before he told us what he was talking about he started to cry and went home - Just after he made derogatory references to me that had nothing to do with the topic at hand. MORAL OF THE STORY This whole thing about pairings and the scientific rules is nothing more than a sad case of My meteorites are better than your meteorites marketing using the Holier than thau excuse (See Rule #1)). I realize John started this particular thread but it was only because Adam likes interfering with everybody elses sales and its simply payback time. All John is doing in informing everybody that Adam's meteorite has a TKW of 7.5 kilos and not 77 grams. For somebody always preeching that he is Holier than thau all the time it is simply another example of adam playing the side of the fence that happens to suit him on any particular day. Sincerely DEAN __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tucson '06 Wrap Up + Harvey Winners
Dear Listees: Greetings all. Well, Steve Arnold and family hit the road yesterday morning with the big Brenham in tow, and the last few dealers were packing up and checking out of the InnSuites. It was a long show this year! I heard a few people say it was their favorite Tucson Show ever, and I think I agree. This was my ninth consecutive show, and my third as an official resident of the great city of Tucson, AZ. I also heard a lot of people say it was the best weather in years, and that's got to be a fact. It was a treat to see so many of you out here, and Steve and I would like to sincerely thank everyone who attended the Seventh Annual Meteor Mayhem Birthday Bash, on Friday, Feb. 3. That was easily our biggest-ever crowd. I apologize to you night owls for the rudeness of the hotel staff during the party. First we were told, at 9 pm, that children weren't allowed in the room (even though it was a private, invitation-only function), and then the manager turned the lights out around 12:30 am! I remember some revelers were still hard at it at 2:30 am last year. Oh well, we made the most of it. Congratulations to the 2006 Harvey Award Winners: - Dr. Joel Schiff -- Lifetime Achievement (accepted on Joel's behalf by new M co-editor Larry Lebofsky) - Martin Horejsi -- Writing and Research - William H. Rusty Bill Mason III -- Lawrencite Award - Bruno Fectay -- Best New Meteorite Find - Carine Bidaut -- Best New Meteorite Find - Blake Reed -- Ambassador Award - Dr. Alain Carion -- Lifetime Achievement A special nod to Qynne Arnold who was (I think) the only person in the room to raise a hand when we asked who'd found more than 100 meteorites during the previous year. The People's Choice Winners were: - Steve Arnold, IMB - Philip C. Mani - Geoff Notkin I am grateful, humbled, and slightly embarrassed to have been given an award which I helped invent, but the people spoke, and we said thanks : ) I'd like to thank Greg Hupe and Anne Black who made the People's Choice Awards possible, and the mighty Bob Haag for personally coming up on stage and giving Steve his award (Bob, that was the coolest). Also, a big thanks to Twink Larry Monrad and Jim Kriegh for the stellar Gold Basin birthday cake. The People's Choice will now become a regular part of the Harvey Awards, and we'll figure out how to make that happen . . . one of these days. Only 348 days 'til Tucson 2007. Cheers, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Hi Stan and thanks for your email. Ok, I think that this Acapulcoite TKW thing really needs to get nailed down before the next Met Bulletin comes out. Can everyone that has a significant amount of this material write us either on or off list so that we can add up all of the pieces and get the correct TKW. Stan, am I correct in assuming that between you and Nelson, you had 7500 grams of NWA 2656? We had 1666 grams of NWA 2714, so that brings the TKW weight up to at least 9166 grams, plus Adam's 77 grams = 9243 grams...Any more out there? -John --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those that might be curious the mass of 2656 was broken into 'pieces' - as in 2 pieces. Nelson Oaks has one and I have the other, with a few slices being sold off here and there. If Adam's piece is paired then the bueaty of this stuff really cant be understated - it's gorgeous material. IF anyone wants a piece and 4 or 5 grams isnt enough then wirte Nelson, I belive his piece is up for grabs - or at least it was listed in Lang's auction at tucson... From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) Hi Bernd...Yes, if it is paired to our new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 and NWA 2656, then the provisional write-up in MB90 states that the TKW is accounted for by a single ~ 7.5 kilogram stone which was apparently broken into pieces and sold. Cheers -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I purchased seems to be the 2.55-gram part slice - also very metal-rich and almost like my little NWA 2656 with all its delicate veins and veinlets. It doesn't show those slender troilite inclusions but this part slice would be my choice no. 2. I'd buy both of them if I could afford it! What makes acapulcoites, and especially this one, so interesting is their achondritic, granular texture and, at the same time, they have an ordinary chondrite mineralogy. That's why you find both abundant metal (similar to H chondrites!) and sulfide in them. Another interesting feature is the rare occurrence of relict chondrules, and, as they do not plot too far away from both angrites, brachinites on the one hand, and from ureilites on the other, you will also find grain boundaries meeting in triple junctions (120°). Best Acapucoitic wishes, and Good Night, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hello list, To get back to the spirit of Bernd's e-mail. This NWA acapulcoite, a.k.a., NWA 2656, NWA 2714 and NWA 2989 (others?) is one of the better deals on the market right now. (And Blaine Reed I think has the best price). The meteorite is somewhat weathered and slices very in weathering, the darkerdue to the high amount of metal, the more weathered portions. My slice, sold to me as NWA 2656, looks like Adam's NWA 2656...which is on the lower end of this meteorite's weathering...from the slices I have seen at least. In case you thinking, I know acapucolites are achondritesbut just what are these tourist city sounding meteorites really? Acapucolites are igneous rocks composed primarily of olivine, bronzite, and plagioclase and with nickel-iron as principal minerals. They also have accessory minerals of clinopyroxene, troilite, and schreibersite (among others). I bought a thin section of the acapulcoite NWA 1054 (paired?) in Tucson and was surprized at how small the mineral crystals are in acapulcoites when I got it under the scope at home. The matrix appears much finer then other achondrite's in my collection and predictably, the olivine and plagioclase light up nicely in crossed polars. I haven't figured out how to take thin section photos with my new camera but I will work on it and share some with the list if interested. Anyway, this meteorite classification type has been selling in the $200-$300 range until recently. If you don't have a piecekeep your eye open. Or give Adam or John and e-mail...or possibly Blaine a call. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Recent Holbrook expedition
Dear Mark, Dave, Mike and Bill; What is this I hear you were shown up at the field trip to the Holbrook strewnfield recently ? Well guys, shouldn't ah let a girl come alongleast THAT one ;-) DAve F. skunked at Holbrook __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Hi Mark, Thank you for the informative, well rounded and friendly email. Too bad some of the others could not behave in such a positive manner regarding this thread. Best regards, Greg - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Hello list, To get back to the spirit of Bernd's e-mail. This NWA acapulcoite, a.k.a., NWA 2656, NWA 2714 and NWA 2989 (others?) is one of the better deals on the market right now. (And Blaine Reed I think has the best price). The meteorite is somewhat weathered and slices very in weathering, the darkerdue to the high amount of metal, the more weathered portions. My slice, sold to me as NWA 2656, looks like Adam's NWA 2656...which is on the lower end of this meteorite's weathering...from the slices I have seen at least. In case you thinking, I know acapucolites are achondritesbut just what are these tourist city sounding meteorites really? Acapucolites are igneous rocks composed primarily of olivine, bronzite, and plagioclase and with nickel-iron as principal minerals. They also have accessory minerals of clinopyroxene, troilite, and schreibersite (among others). I bought a thin section of the acapulcoite NWA 1054 (paired?) in Tucson and was surprized at how small the mineral crystals are in acapulcoites when I got it under the scope at home. The matrix appears much finer then other achondrite's in my collection and predictably, the olivine and plagioclase light up nicely in crossed polars. I haven't figured out how to take thin section photos with my new camera but I will work on it and share some with the list if interested. Anyway, this meteorite classification type has been selling in the $200-$300 range until recently. If you don't have a piecekeep your eye open. Or give Adam or John and e-mail...or possibly Blaine a call. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
John, If I'm correct I believe this ACA was also classified under the following two designations: NWA 2699 (1,294 g) and 2866 (213 g). I'm not sure where I got this info that they are all paired, but it's on my 2656 webpage so it must be true :) David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
I got this slice in a trade from Blaine Reed under the NWA 2871 number which had a tkw of 3467grams. Blaine is not a list member. Sorry about the bad photos: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa2871.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Hello list, To get back to the spirit of Bernd's e-mail. This NWA acapulcoite, a.k.a., NWA 2656, NWA 2714 and NWA 2989 (others?) is one of the better deals on the market right now. (And Blaine Reed I think has the best price). The meteorite is somewhat weathered and slices very in weathering, the darkerdue to the high amount of metal, the more weathered portions. My slice, sold to me as NWA 2656, looks like Adam's NWA 2656...which is on the lower end of this meteorite's weathering...from the slices I have seen at least. In case you thinking, I know acapucolites are achondritesbut just what are these tourist city sounding meteorites really? Acapucolites are igneous rocks composed primarily of olivine, bronzite, and plagioclase and with nickel-iron as principal minerals. They also have accessory minerals of clinopyroxene, troilite, and schreibersite (among others). I bought a thin section of the acapulcoite NWA 1054 (paired?) in Tucson and was surprized at how small the mineral crystals are in acapulcoites when I got it under the scope at home. The matrix appears much finer then other achondrite's in my collection and predictably, the olivine and plagioclase light up nicely in crossed polars. I haven't figured out how to take thin section photos with my new camera but I will work on it and share some with the list if interested. Anyway, this meteorite classification type has been selling in the $200-$300 range until recently. If you don't have a piecekeep your eye open. Or give Adam or John and e-mail...or possibly Blaine a call. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Dear John and List, I applaud trying to nail down the TKW but as Stan stated NWA 2656 was divided among two owners. I was not supplied by either one of them. You claim NWA 2714 with a reported TKW of 100 grams according to NAU's documents was part of this same mass. Stan claims it was divided between Nelson Oaks and himself with a claimed weight 386 grams. Now you claim the weight of NWA 2714 is 1,666 grams on your recently updated web-site. The cached website results for your site from google make no mention of the weight. It was brought in to question whether my stone was a fragment of this one and I responded it was not. I was then dragged through the ringer on TKWs which make absolutely no sense since parts of the same stone have been claimed under different numbers. Since I had to explain my position, maybe you can explain the website discrepancy and the 100 gram recorded weight on NAU's site below. I am sure everybody would like to know about NWA 2714. http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/PrimitiveAchondrite.html I was sincere in my statements regarding the nature of tracking TKWs on pairings. As you can see, this is a mess! Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Stan and thanks for your email. Ok, I think that this Acapulcoite TKW thing really needs to get nailed down before the next Met Bulletin comes out. Can everyone that has a significant amount of this material write us either on or off list so that we can add up all of the pieces and get the correct TKW. Stan, am I correct in assuming that between you and Nelson, you had 7500 grams of NWA 2656? We had 1666 grams of NWA 2714, so that brings the TKW weight up to at least 9166 grams, plus Adam's 77 grams = 9243 grams...Any more out there? -John --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those that might be curious the mass of 2656 was broken into 'pieces' - as in 2 pieces. Nelson Oaks has one and I have the other, with a few slices being sold off here and there. If Adam's piece is paired then the bueaty of this stuff really cant be understated - it's gorgeous material. IF anyone wants a piece and 4 or 5 grams isnt enough then wirte Nelson, I belive his piece is up for grabs - or at least it was listed in Lang's auction at tucson... From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) Hi Bernd...Yes, if it is paired to our new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 and NWA 2656, then the provisional write-up in MB90 states that the TKW is accounted for by a single ~ 7.5 kilogram stone which was apparently broken into pieces and sold. Cheers -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I purchased seems to be the 2.55-gram part slice - also very metal-rich and almost like my little NWA 2656 with all its delicate veins and veinlets. It doesn't show those slender troilite inclusions but this part slice would be my choice no. 2. I'd buy both of them if I could afford it! What makes acapulcoites, and especially this one, so interesting is their achondritic, granular texture and, at the same time, they have an ordinary chondrite mineralogy. That's why you find both abundant metal (similar to H chondrites!) and sulfide in them. Another interesting feature is the rare occurrence of relict chondrules, and, as they do not plot too far away from both angrites, brachinites on the one hand, and from ureilites on the other, you will also find grain boundaries meeting in triple junctions (120°). Best Acapucoitic wishes, and Good
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Adam, Actually I was reffering to the roughly 7.5 kg being split between Nelson and myself. from the NAU website: A 386 g broken stone with weathered fusion crust (part of a larger ~7.5 kg mass found in 2003) was purchased in Erfoud, Morocco in 2004 for N. Oakes, Oakes) So I guess there is also a 386g piece above and beyond the numbered pairings and the main mass. The point of all this TKW stuff? Well i guess there is ALOT more of this material than your TKW numebrs would refelct, but my mass isnt for sale, and unless someone wants to pony up the cost of a pretty darn fine new car Nelson's mass isnt for sale either. I dont know if Birdsell has any for sale, but despite the realistic TKW numbers the material sdeems to be of pretty limited distribution. From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 19:25:05 -0800 Dear John and List, I applaud trying to nail down the TKW but as Stan stated NWA 2656 was divided among two owners. I was not supplied by either one of them. You claim NWA 2714 with a reported TKW of 100 grams according to NAU's documents was part of this same mass. Stan claims it was divided between Nelson Oaks and himself with a claimed weight 386 grams. Now you claim the weight of NWA 2714 is 1,666 grams on your recently updated web-site. The cached website results for your site from google make no mention of the weight. It was brought in to question whether my stone was a fragment of this one and I responded it was not. I was then dragged through the ringer on TKWs which make absolutely no sense since parts of the same stone have been claimed under different numbers. Since I had to explain my position, maybe you can explain the website discrepancy and the 100 gram recorded weight on NAU's site below. I am sure everybody would like to know about NWA 2714. http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/PrimitiveAchondrite.html I was sincere in my statements regarding the nature of tracking TKWs on pairings. As you can see, this is a mess! Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Stan and thanks for your email. Ok, I think that this Acapulcoite TKW thing really needs to get nailed down before the next Met Bulletin comes out. Can everyone that has a significant amount of this material write us either on or off list so that we can add up all of the pieces and get the correct TKW. Stan, am I correct in assuming that between you and Nelson, you had 7500 grams of NWA 2656? We had 1666 grams of NWA 2714, so that brings the TKW weight up to at least 9166 grams, plus Adam's 77 grams = 9243 grams...Any more out there? -John --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those that might be curious the mass of 2656 was broken into 'pieces' - as in 2 pieces. Nelson Oaks has one and I have the other, with a few slices being sold off here and there. If Adam's piece is paired then the bueaty of this stuff really cant be understated - it's gorgeous material. IF anyone wants a piece and 4 or 5 grams isnt enough then wirte Nelson, I belive his piece is up for grabs - or at least it was listed in Lang's auction at tucson... From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) Hi Bernd...Yes, if it is paired to our new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 and NWA 2656, then the provisional write-up in MB90 states that the TKW is accounted for by a single ~ 7.5 kilogram stone which was apparently broken into pieces and sold. Cheers -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam writes: ...TKW of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. It is probably paired with NWA 2656, of which I own a beautiful slice weighing 0.29 grams. Adam also writes: ... the lowest price you will find on EBay. And right he is! I paid $290 for my little, beautiful NWA 2656 (which I do not regret!). Go figure and do the maths what I would have had to pay for more than 10 times the weight (3.7 grams) of my 0.29-gram ACAP. The specimen that comes closest to the one I
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Thanks for posting Jim. This is sweet material folks and is probably the best aca to come out of NWA, that I have seen. To plug 2871, I have a few small pieces left under 10g for ~40/g. Thinly sliced and clearly show the olivine and plagioclase crystals. Matt Morgan Jim Strope wrote: I got this slice in a trade from Blaine Reed under the NWA 2871 number which had a tkw of 3467grams. Blaine is not a list member. Sorry about the bad photos: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa2871.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Hello list, To get back to the spirit of Bernd's e-mail. This NWA acapulcoite, a.k.a., NWA 2656, NWA 2714 and NWA 2989 (others?) is one of the better deals on the market right now. (And Blaine Reed I think has the best price). The meteorite is somewhat weathered and slices very in weathering, the darkerdue to the high amount of metal, the more weathered portions. My slice, sold to me as NWA 2656, looks like Adam's NWA 2656...which is on the lower end of this meteorite's weathering...from the slices I have seen at least. In case you thinking, I know acapucolites are achondritesbut just what are these tourist city sounding meteorites really? Acapucolites are igneous rocks composed primarily of olivine, bronzite, and plagioclase and with nickel-iron as principal minerals. They also have accessory minerals of clinopyroxene, troilite, and schreibersite (among others). I bought a thin section of the acapulcoite NWA 1054 (paired?) in Tucson and was surprized at how small the mineral crystals are in acapulcoites when I got it under the scope at home. The matrix appears much finer then other achondrite's in my collection and predictably, the olivine and plagioclase light up nicely in crossed polars. I haven't figured out how to take thin section photos with my new camera but I will work on it and share some with the list if interested. Anyway, this meteorite classification type has been selling in the $200-$300 range until recently. If you don't have a piecekeep your eye open. Or give Adam or John and e-mail...or possibly Blaine a call. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com http://www.mrmeteorite.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA eBay user id: mhmeteorites __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
http://img114.imageshack.us/img114/9050/nwa265623gw.jpg lol the tkw game gets even more confusing. Jim's slice came off oy *MY* piece and my piece was the smaller of two pieces that made up the 7.5kg stone mentioned in 2656. so if the TKW for 2656 is considered to be the 300 or so gram orignal stone then everything is jake - if it's not then my piece - ie 2871 was actually counted twice under two seperate nwa numbers... *confussed* From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 22:14:24 -0500 I got this slice in a trade from Blaine Reed under the NWA 2871 number which had a tkw of 3467grams. Blaine is not a list member. Sorry about the bad photos: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa2871.htm Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Hello list, To get back to the spirit of Bernd's e-mail. This NWA acapulcoite, a.k.a., NWA 2656, NWA 2714 and NWA 2989 (others?) is one of the better deals on the market right now. (And Blaine Reed I think has the best price). The meteorite is somewhat weathered and slices very in weathering, the darkerdue to the high amount of metal, the more weathered portions. My slice, sold to me as NWA 2656, looks like Adam's NWA 2656...which is on the lower end of this meteorite's weathering...from the slices I have seen at least. In case you thinking, I know acapucolites are achondritesbut just what are these tourist city sounding meteorites really? Acapucolites are igneous rocks composed primarily of olivine, bronzite, and plagioclase and with nickel-iron as principal minerals. They also have accessory minerals of clinopyroxene, troilite, and schreibersite (among others). I bought a thin section of the acapulcoite NWA 1054 (paired?) in Tucson and was surprized at how small the mineral crystals are in acapulcoites when I got it under the scope at home. The matrix appears much finer then other achondrite's in my collection and predictably, the olivine and plagioclase light up nicely in crossed polars. I haven't figured out how to take thin section photos with my new camera but I will work on it and share some with the list if interested. Anyway, this meteorite classification type has been selling in the $200-$300 range until recently. If you don't have a piecekeep your eye open. Or give Adam or John and e-mail...or possibly Blaine a call. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Re: Jim noted, I got this slice in a trade from Blaine Reed under the NWA 2871 number which had a tkw of 3467 grams. http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa2871.htm As par for you Jim, very awesome slice. I mistyped my last e-mail, my slice is NWA 2871. At 2.2 grams it is much smaller then Jim's 178...but it would be just as impressive if this was a two-dimensional world. I'll let you think on that for a second. (pause.) Blaine is not a list member. No, he sees the list as a bad thing. As we do tend to kick up dust every so often...and turn people off of meteorites. Sorry about the bad photos As you noted, it is a very hard meteorite to photograph well. Mine is even a little harder to photographas I can't seem to find it off hand to share it. Did I ever tell you about the lunar meteorite I found? That NWA 482 slice was lost for almost a year. Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas...yes Kansas...where meteorites are about 2500 years old! www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
It is amazing to see professional dealers lowering there prices on this Acapulcoite in response to this string. A hint, if you are going to piggyback somebody else's sales, use the word Ad or Sale in the header instead of sneaking in a sales pitch which I find distasteful. Al the best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your confusion over all of the different TKW's reported. That is why we are attempting to clarify this issue once and for all. The important thing to note is that the TKW now stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will eventually need to be corrected as will the provisional Met Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted out. The TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According to the classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from the 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be wholly accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's portions. Therefore, since that obviously is incorrect, our 1666 grams of NWA 2714 either came from a larger stone that was broken into fragments which were then sold to Stan, Nelson, us, some others and perhaps you, or perhaps it was a separate individual (I doubt the latter). We try to keep our website updated to reflect the new TKW as we understood it 40 minutes ago. Of course we will now need to further update it once we tabulate the additional masses of other pairings kindly provided to us by list members. We'll be happy to share this total with you once we get it so that you can update your ebay auctions too, but for now I think it is safe to say there is more than 10kg of this beautiful material in existance. It is important to properly report the TKW so that the collectors know the facts as we currently understand them. Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear John and List, I applaud trying to nail down the TKW but as Stan stated NWA 2656 was divided among two owners. I was not supplied by either one of them. You claim NWA 2714 with a reported TKW of 100 grams according to NAU's documents was part of this same mass. Stan claims it was divided between Nelson Oaks and himself with a claimed weight 386 grams. Now you claim the weight of NWA 2714 is 1,666 grams on your recently updated web-site. The cached website results for your site from google make no mention of the weight. It was brought in to question whether my stone was a fragment of this one and I responded it was not. I was then dragged through the ringer on TKWs which make absolutely no sense since parts of the same stone have been claimed under different numbers. Since I had to explain my position, maybe you can explain the website discrepancy and the 100 gram recorded weight on NAU's site below. I am sure everybody would like to know about NWA 2714. http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/PrimitiveAchondrite.html I was sincere in my statements regarding the nature of tracking TKWs on pairings. As you can see, this is a mess! Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Stan and thanks for your email. Ok, I think that this Acapulcoite TKW thing really needs to get nailed down before the next Met Bulletin comes out. Can everyone that has a significant amount of this material write us either on or off list so that we can add up all of the pieces and get the correct TKW. Stan, am I correct in assuming that between you and Nelson, you had 7500 grams of NWA 2656? We had 1666 grams of NWA 2714, so that brings the TKW weight up to at least 9166 grams, plus Adam's 77 grams = 9243 grams...Any more out there? -John --- stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for those that might be curious the mass of 2656 was broken into 'pieces' - as in 2 pieces. Nelson Oaks has one and I have the other, with a few slices being sold off here and there. If Adam's piece is paired then the bueaty of this stuff really cant be understated - it's gorgeous material. IF anyone wants a piece and 4 or 5 grams isnt enough then wirte Nelson, I belive his piece is up for grabs - or at least it was listed in Lang's auction at tucson... From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 15:21:11 -0800 (PST) Hi Bernd...Yes, if it is paired to our new Acapulcoite NWA 2714 and NWA 2656, then the provisional write-up in MB90 states that the TKW is accounted for by a single ~ 7.5 kilogram stone which was apparently broken into pieces and sold. Cheers -John --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All ! I've just purchased my 3.7-gram, extremely metal- and troilite-rich slice of NWA 2989 (Item #6605571076 - just in case you care to take a look ;-) that Adam is offering on EBay. Look at it and you'll know what I mean! Adam
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Hi John, This does not explain why you had no weight listed at all on your web-site according to the cached version in google.com which is only one day old if you knew there was 1,666 grams plus a 7.5 kilogram stone. You asked me to back up my claims with pictures and said you were curious because I didn't report an unknown and unreported mass weight. It seems you are guilty of the same thing to a larger extent even though you apparently knew more than I did when this string started. Here is your statement putting me under the thumb-screws. Can we ask you the same questions? Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? We were just curious, because in your ebay ad you stated that you didn't have any accurate figures on the TKW of pairings, and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg has been publicly available on the internet for months now, and in the Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the following: * I will ask Jim Witke about the reported weight of NWA 2714 which stands at 100 grams since he is a stickler for accuracy. Still waiting to hear why you recently added the weight to your web-site when it was not there before this string started or should I state Sting? Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your confusion over all of the different TKW's reported. That is why we are attempting to clarify this issue once and for all. The important thing to note is that the TKW now stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will eventually need to be corrected as will the provisional Met Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted out. The TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According to the classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from the 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be wholly accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's portions. Therefore, since that obviously is incorrect, our 1666 grams of NWA 2714 either came from a larger stone that was broken into fragments which were then sold to Stan, Nelson, us, some others and perhaps you, or perhaps it was a separate individual (I doubt the latter). We try to keep our website updated to reflect the new TKW as we understood it 40 minutes ago. Of course we will now need to further update it once we tabulate the additional masses of other pairings kindly provided to us by list members. We'll be happy to share this total with you once we get it so that you can update your ebay auctions too, but for now I think it is safe to say there is more than 10kg of this beautiful material in existance. It is important to properly report the TKW so that the collectors know the facts as we currently understand them. Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear John and List, I applaud trying to nail down the TKW but as Stan stated NWA 2656 was divided among two owners. I was not supplied by either one of them. You claim NWA 2714 with a reported TKW of 100 grams according to NAU's documents was part of this same mass. Stan claims it was divided between Nelson Oaks and himself with a claimed weight 386 grams. Now you claim the weight of NWA 2714 is 1,666 grams on your recently updated web-site. The cached website results for your site from google make no mention of the weight. It was brought in to question whether my stone was a fragment of this one and I responded it was not. I was then dragged through the ringer on TKWs which make absolutely no sense since parts of the same stone have been claimed under different numbers. Since I had to explain my position, maybe you can explain the website discrepancy and the 100 gram recorded weight on NAU's site below. I am sure everybody would like to know about NWA 2714. http://www4.nau.edu/meteorite/Meteorite/PrimitiveAchondrite.html I was sincere in my statements regarding the nature of tracking TKWs on pairings. As you can see, this is a mess! Kind Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: stan . [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 6:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Stan and thanks for your email. Ok, I think that this Acapulcoite TKW thing really needs to get nailed down before the next Met Bulletin comes out. Can everyone that has a significant amount of this material write us either on or off list so that we can add up all of the
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
Here are some quick thin section pictures of NWA 2871 Acapulcoite (NWA 2989, 2656, 2714, 2866, 2699). http://www.johnkashuba.com/Ach_NWA_2871_Acapulcoite.html John Kashuba Ontario, California __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Dear Adam. Please stop trying to place the blame for your problems elsewhere. If you had read our website before we updated it, we clearly stated that NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656. This is what the classifying scientist stated in his write up. We didn't tell him that, he told us. We also didn't try to pretend that there was only a few grams of this Acapulcoite like a certain other dealer we know. We clearly stated that there was 7.5 kg of this Acapulcoite. According to the Met Base, 7.5kg was the TKW of the Acapulcoite when you made your ebay listings. In fact, 7.5kg was the TKW of the Acapulcoite until a few hours ago when Stan clarified the situation with NWA 2656 on this list. Now, with the recent additions by list members the TKW for this Acapulcoite stands at over 10kg. The real question here is why didn't you report the TKW in your ebay listings and why are your current ebay ads are still running with the incorrect information? Come on Adam. Don't you think your customers deserve to know the truth about how much of your Ultra Rare Acapulcoite there is out there? Good night -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, This does not explain why you had no weight listed at all on your web-site according to the cached version in google.com which is only one day old if you knew there was 1,666 grams plus a 7.5 kilogram stone. You asked me to back up my claims with pictures and said you were curious because I didn't report an unknown and unreported mass weight. It seems you are guilty of the same thing to a larger extent even though you apparently knew more than I did when this string started. Here is your statement putting me under the thumb-screws. Can we ask you the same questions? Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? We were just curious, because in your ebay ad you stated that you didn't have any accurate figures on the TKW of pairings, and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg has been publicly available on the internet for months now, and in the Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the following: * I will ask Jim Witke about the reported weight of NWA 2714 which stands at 100 grams since he is a stickler for accuracy. Still waiting to hear why you recently added the weight to your web-site when it was not there before this string started or should I state Sting? Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your confusion over all of the different TKW's reported. That is why we are attempting to clarify this issue once and for all. The important thing to note is that the TKW now stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will eventually need to be corrected as will the provisional Met Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted out. The TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According to the classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from the 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be wholly accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's portions. Therefore, since that obviously is incorrect, our 1666 grams of NWA 2714 either came from a larger stone that was broken into fragments which were then sold to Stan, Nelson, us, some others and perhaps you, or perhaps it was a separate individual (I doubt the latter). We try to keep our website updated to reflect the new TKW as we understood it 40 minutes ago. Of course we will now need to further update it once we tabulate the additional masses of other pairings kindly provided to us by list members. We'll be happy to share this total with you once we get it so that you can update your ebay auctions too, but for now I think it is safe to say there is more than 10kg of this beautiful material in existance. It is important to properly report the TKW so that the collectors know the facts as we currently understand them. Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear John and List, I applaud trying to nail down the TKW but as Stan stated NWA 2656 was divided among two owners. I was not supplied by either one of them. You claim NWA 2714 with a reported TKW of 100 grams according to NAU's documents was part of this same mass. Stan claims it was divided between Nelson Oaks and himself with a claimed weight 386 grams. Now you claim the weight of NWA 2714 is 1,666 grams on your recently updated web-site. The cached website results for your site from google make no mention of the weight. It was brought in to question whether my stone
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
John and List, This string is getting old. I have not updated my auctions and did not pretend to know about all of the pairings. I stated these exact phrases in my auctions: Since it's publication a few more have come out of Oman and Northwest Africa including the pairings to this one. A Total Known Weight (TKW) of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. How much more can be said? There is still no consensus on TKW of all of the pairings, if indeed they are paired. looks like you got caught with your pants down, being guilty of what you are accusing me of. It seems that the pairings to this might have been misreported from the beginning which is not my problem. NWA 2989 is clean with an accurate weight reported. It is up to dealers to police themselves. I only report what I know to be accurate. Time to walk on this tired Sting Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Dear Adam. Please stop trying to place the blame for your problems elsewhere. If you had read our website before we updated it, we clearly stated that NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656. This is what the classifying scientist stated in his write up. We didn't tell him that, he told us. We also didn't try to pretend that there was only a few grams of this Acapulcoite like a certain other dealer we know. We clearly stated that there was 7.5 kg of this Acapulcoite. According to the Met Base, 7.5kg was the TKW of the Acapulcoite when you made your ebay listings. In fact, 7.5kg was the TKW of the Acapulcoite until a few hours ago when Stan clarified the situation with NWA 2656 on this list. Now, with the recent additions by list members the TKW for this Acapulcoite stands at over 10kg. The real question here is why didn't you report the TKW in your ebay listings and why are your current ebay ads are still running with the incorrect information? Come on Adam. Don't you think your customers deserve to know the truth about how much of your Ultra Rare Acapulcoite there is out there? Good night -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, This does not explain why you had no weight listed at all on your web-site according to the cached version in google.com which is only one day old if you knew there was 1,666 grams plus a 7.5 kilogram stone. You asked me to back up my claims with pictures and said you were curious because I didn't report an unknown and unreported mass weight. It seems you are guilty of the same thing to a larger extent even though you apparently knew more than I did when this string started. Here is your statement putting me under the thumb-screws. Can we ask you the same questions? Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? We were just curious, because in your ebay ad you stated that you didn't have any accurate figures on the TKW of pairings, and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg has been publicly available on the internet for months now, and in the Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the following: * I will ask Jim Witke about the reported weight of NWA 2714 which stands at 100 grams since he is a stickler for accuracy. Still waiting to hear why you recently added the weight to your web-site when it was not there before this string started or should I state Sting? Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your confusion over all of the different TKW's reported. That is why we are attempting to clarify this issue once and for all. The important thing to note is that the TKW now stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will eventually need to be corrected as will the provisional Met Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted out. The TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According to the classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from the 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be wholly accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's portions. Therefore, since that obviously is incorrect, our 1666 grams of NWA 2714 either came from a larger stone that was broken into fragments which were then sold to Stan, Nelson, us, some others and perhaps you, or perhaps it was a separate individual (I doubt the latter). We try to keep our website updated to reflect the new
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update
Yes Adam...whatever you say... Hey Dean, I think this must correspond to your Rule #3, what do you think? Cheers -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John and List, This string is getting old. I have not updated my auctions and did not pretend to know about all of the pairings. I stated these exact phrases in my auctions: Since it's publication a few more have come out of Oman and Northwest Africa including the pairings to this one. A Total Known Weight (TKW) of 77 grams is recorded for NWA 2989. This weight does not reflect any pairings since I do not have accurate figures. How much more can be said? There is still no consensus on TKW of all of the pairings, if indeed they are paired. looks like you got caught with your pants down, being guilty of what you are accusing me of. It seems that the pairings to this might have been misreported from the beginning which is not my problem. NWA 2989 is clean with an accurate weight reported. It is up to dealers to police themselves. I only report what I know to be accurate. Time to walk on this tired Sting Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Dear Adam. Please stop trying to place the blame for your problems elsewhere. If you had read our website before we updated it, we clearly stated that NWA 2714 comes from the same ~7.5 kilo stone as NWA 2656. This is what the classifying scientist stated in his write up. We didn't tell him that, he told us. We also didn't try to pretend that there was only a few grams of this Acapulcoite like a certain other dealer we know. We clearly stated that there was 7.5 kg of this Acapulcoite. According to the Met Base, 7.5kg was the TKW of the Acapulcoite when you made your ebay listings. In fact, 7.5kg was the TKW of the Acapulcoite until a few hours ago when Stan clarified the situation with NWA 2656 on this list. Now, with the recent additions by list members the TKW for this Acapulcoite stands at over 10kg. The real question here is why didn't you report the TKW in your ebay listings and why are your current ebay ads are still running with the incorrect information? Come on Adam. Don't you think your customers deserve to know the truth about how much of your Ultra Rare Acapulcoite there is out there? Good night -John --- Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi John, This does not explain why you had no weight listed at all on your web-site according to the cached version in google.com which is only one day old if you knew there was 1,666 grams plus a 7.5 kilogram stone. You asked me to back up my claims with pictures and said you were curious because I didn't report an unknown and unreported mass weight. It seems you are guilty of the same thing to a larger extent even though you apparently knew more than I did when this string started. Here is your statement putting me under the thumb-screws. Can we ask you the same questions? Did the write up describe it as a whole stone? Is it surrounded by fusion crust like a whole stone? If so, could you maybe post some pics for the list? We were just curious, because in your ebay ad you stated that you didn't have any accurate figures on the TKW of pairings, and yet, the TKW of ~7.5kg has been publicly available on the internet for months now, and in the Meteorite Bulletin data base it states the following: * I will ask Jim Witke about the reported weight of NWA 2714 which stands at 100 grams since he is a stickler for accuracy. Still waiting to hear why you recently added the weight to your web-site when it was not there before this string started or should I state Sting? Take Care, Adam - Original Message - From: John Birdsell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 14, 2006 8:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Acapulcoite TKW Update Hi Adam. Yes, we completely understand your confusion over all of the different TKW's reported. That is why we are attempting to clarify this issue once and for all. The important thing to note is that the TKW now stands at over 10kg. NAU's website will eventually need to be corrected as will the provisional Met Bulletin once we get this TKW issue sorted out. The TKW of NWA 2714 is 1666g, not 100g. According to the classifying Scientist, our NWA 2714 came from the 7.5kg whole stone that now appears to be wholly accounted for by Stan's and Nelson's
Re: [meteorite-list] Adam's NWA 2989 Acapulcoite
--- MARK BOSTICK [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: I bought a thin section of the acapulcoite NWA 1054 (paired?) in Tucson and was surprized at how small the mineral crystals are in acapulcoites when I got it under the scope at home. The matrix appears much finer then other achondrite's in my collection and predictably, the olivine and plagioclase light up nicely in crossed polars. I haven't figured out how to take thin section photos with my new camera but I will work on it and share some with the list if interested. NWA 1054 its paired to NWA 1052 http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2005/pdf/1808.pdf but the strange is in the NWA 1052 we not have found Melliniite, in the NWA 1054 yes http://www.mindat.org/locentry-358432.html here a photo of a NWA 1054 thin section http://www.meteorite-lab.com/thinsection/NWA1054_cp_acap3.jpg Matteo M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ ___ Yahoo! Mail: gratis 1GB per i messaggi e allegati da 10MB http://mail.yahoo.it __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball Videos
Hi Sterling, You could also try the following link! ;-) www.meteorites.com.au/films/ Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb To: Meteorite List Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2006 10:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball Videos Hi, Google has a beta of a new Google service: Video Search at http://www.video.google.com/ Searches for bolide and fireball produced nothing of interest (assuming you don't care for clips of things that blow up good!), but a search for meteor produced several clips that actually were of meteors (out of a lot of junk): http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3459846800126551001q=meteor Disappointingly, all the videos are in a proprietary Google format; the downloadable player is a cobble of Macromedia Flash (useless); and I haven't found any sure way to get to the original source of the clips... But you can watch them, at least. Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
