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For unclarified reasons, my posting to this list is allowed again, and without the need of another email adress for each new message! Thanks!!! I promise to behave properly, now. I will absorb each insult and publicity of the predators, without making waves. I have my helmet, too. Fire. AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight
St, Matteo, don't forget the dimension of time. Tiihihihime is on his side... Mike is a prophet. And we all will wonder in a few years only... Buckleboo -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von M come Meteorite Meteorites Gesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 22:26 An: Lee; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight Farmer its well know for the ridiculus prices on ordinary chondrites type NWA200 gram of NWA 869 I sale for $40, I find who work in many forms for $20-30well Farmer, explain where is the $400 value??? You say $400 but when ended the auction this go sold for many under the price you askwhy you no put the start price of $400 and look if go sold??? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - June 1, 2006
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.html SPIRIT UPDATE: Spirit Perfects Pointing Parameters, Collects Images Large and Small - sol 855-859, June 1, 2006: Since arriving at the rover's current location on the 807th sol, or Martian day, of exploration (April 10, 2006), Spirit's knowledge of its attitude relative to the sun has drifted. The rover uses an onboard computer to keep track of attitude changes, but error builds up in this measurement over time. On sol 855 (May 30, 2006), rover planners transmitted an attitude update of 1.97 degrees to correct for the drift. After the update, Spirit re-acquired images from the same location to allow the science team to accurately target future observations. Meanwhile, Spirit continued acquisition of the McMurdo panorama and removed another 2 millimeters of soil as part of a layer-by-layer soil study. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 855 (May 30, 2006): Spirit completed a quick get-fine attitude, which is a procedure completed every couple of weeks to correct any error in the rover's knowledge of its attitude relative to the sun. Spirit also took a 360-degree view of its surroundings with the navigation camera and a forward-looking view through the front hazard avoidance camera. The rover conducted remote sensing with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer during the overhead pass of the Mars Odyssey spacecraft. Sol 856: Spirit acquired column 16 (a one-by-five mosaic) of the McMurdo panorama. Sol 857: Spirit spent 80 minutes brushing away another 2 millimeters of soil from the soil target Progress. This layer of the study is known as Progress 3. Sol 858: Plans called for Spirit to take microscopic images of Progress 3, conduct remote sensing with the miniature thermal emission spectrometer during the afternoon overhead pass of the Odyssey spacecraft, and take two panoramic-camera images during the Martian sunset. Sol 859 (June 3, 2006): Plans call for Spirit to acquire column 17 (a one-by-three mosaic) of the McMurdo panorama. Odometry: As of sol 857 (June 1, 2006), Spirit's total odometry remained at 6,876.18 meters (4.27 miles). OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Digging Out of the Dune - sol 833-837, June 1, 2006: Opportunity is less than a kilometer (just over half a mile) from Victoria Crater. During the last planned drive on sol 833, the rover became embedded in a soft dune. As designed, the drive was stopped by a slip check. The extraction process began on sol 836, with 5 meters (16 feet) of commanded motion, and 9 centimeters (3.5 inches) of actual forward progress. The results are encouraging, and extraction will continue on Friday (June 2, 2006) and over the weekend if necessary. Opportunity is otherwise healthy and continues to conduct atmospheric and targeted remote sensing on the path south. Sol-by-sol summaries: Sol 833 (May 28, 2006): For this sol, the team planned a drive of about 30 meters (98 feet), post-drive imaging, and atmospheric remote sensing. The drive started with a small turn in place to move to the center of a dune trough. The material the rover is in is soft, and the rover experienced very high rates of slippage. A slip check precluded further driving. Sol 834: On this second sol of a two-sol plan, Opportunity performed some atmospheric remote sensing (including cloud imaging) and recharged the batteries. Sol 835: Opportunity took a break from driving and collected high-resolution images to better characterize the material in which the rover is embedded. Sol 836: After evaluating the tracks and soil, the team began the extraction process. Five meters (16 feet) of driving was commanded, with limits imposed on rover tilt, mobility suspension angles, pitch, yaw, and total distance traversed. The drive resulted in 9 centimeters (3.5 inches) of forward progress. This is more than three times the rate of progress experienced during the Purgatory Dune extraction in April and May 2005. Hazard avoidance camera images also show that the front cleats are not as caked as during the Purgatory extraction. Sol 837 (June 1): Plans called for the dune extraction to continue on this sol, with 10 meters (33 feet) of commanded motion. The sol 836 mobility safety checks were used. In addition, the allowable yaw range was narrowed, and the drive sequence also imposed a new limit for maximum visual odometry failures. Since visual odometry is likely to fail if more than expected progress is made, this will prevent the rover from traveling too far if it should happen to break free of the dune. As of sol 836, Opportunity's total odometry is 7971.42 meters (4.95 miles). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Big Bang in Antarctica - Killer Crater Found Under Ice
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/erthboom.htm BIG BANG IN ANTARCTICA -- KILLER CRATER FOUND UNDER ICE Ohio State Research News June 1, 2006 Ancient mega-catastrophe paved way for the dinosaurs, spawned Australian continent COLUMBUS, Ohio -- Planetary scientists have found evidence of a meteor impact much larger and earlier than the one that killed the dinosaurs -- an impact that they believe caused the biggest mass extinction in Earth's history. The 300-mile-wide crater lies hidden more than a mile beneath the East Antarctic Ice Sheet. And the gravity measurements that reveal its existence suggest that it could date back about 250 million years -- the time of the Permian-Triassic extinction, when almost all animal life on Earth died out. Its size and location -- in the Wilkes Land region of East Antarctica, south of Australia -- also suggest that it could have begun the breakup of the Gondwana supercontinent by creating the tectonic rift that pushed Australia northward. Scientists believe that the Permian-Triassic extinction paved the way for the dinosaurs to rise to prominence. The Wilkes Land crater is more than twice the size of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan peninsula, which marks the impact that may have ultimately killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The Chicxulub meteor is thought to have been 6 miles wide, while the Wilkes Land meteor could have been up to 30 miles wide -- four or five times wider. This Wilkes Land impact is much bigger than the impact that killed the dinosaurs, and probably would have caused catastrophic damage at the time, said Ralph von Frese, a professor of geological sciences at Ohio State University. He and Laramie Potts, a postdoctoral researcher in geological sciences, led the team that discovered the crater. They collaborated with other Ohio State and NASA scientists, as well as international partners from Russia and Korea. They reported their preliminary results in a recent poster session at the American Geophysical Union Joint Assembly meeting in Baltimore. The scientists used gravity fluctuations measured by NASA's GRACE satellites to peer beneath Antarctica's icy surface, and found a 200-mile-wide plug of mantle material -- a mass concentration, or mascon in geological parlance -- that had risen up into the Earth's crust. Mascons are the planetary equivalent of a bump on the head. They form where large objects slam into a planet's surface. Upon impact, the denser mantle layer bounces up into the overlying crust, which holds it in place beneath the crater. When the scientists overlaid their gravity image with airborne radar images of the ground beneath the ice, they found the mascon perfectly centered inside a circular ridge some 300 miles wide -- a crater easily large enough to hold the state of Ohio. Taken alone, the ridge structure wouldn't prove anything. But to von Frese, the addition of the mascon means impact. Years of studying similar impacts on the moon have honed his ability to find them. If I saw this same mascon signal on the moon, I'd expect to see a crater around it, he said. And when we looked at the ice-probing airborne radar, there it was. There are at least 20 impact craters this size or larger on the moon, so it is not surprising to find one here, he continued. The active geology of the Earth likely scrubbed its surface clean of many more. He and Potts admitted that such signals are open to interpretation. Even with radar and gravity measurements, scientists are only just beginning to understand what's happening inside the planet. Still, von Frese said that the circumstances of the radar and mascon signals support their interpretation. We compared two completely different data sets taken under different conditions, and they matched up, he said. To estimate when the impact took place, the scientists took a clue from the fact that the mascon is still visible. On the moon, you can look at craters, and the mascons are still there, von Frese said. But on Earth, it's unusual to find mascons, because the planet is geologically active. The interior eventually recovers and the mascon goes away. He cited the very large and much older Vredefort crater in South Africa that must have once had a mascon, but no evidence of it can be seen now. Based on what we know about the geologic history of the region, this Wilkes Land mascon formed recently by geologic standards -- probably about 250 million years ago, he said. In another half a billion years, the Wilkes Land mascon will probably disappear, too. Approximately 100 million years ago, Australia split from the ancient Gondwana supercontinent and began drifting north, pushed away by the expansion of a rift valley into the eastern Indian Ocean. The rift cuts directly through the crater, so the impact may have helped the rift to form, von Frese said. But the more immediate effects of the impact would have devastated life on Earth. All the environmental changes that would
[meteorite-list] Canadian Scientists Design Defense From Asteroid Threat
http://www.cbc.ca/montreal/story/qc-asteroid20060526.html Sherbrooke scientists design defence from asteroid threat CBC News (Canada) May 29, 2006 If planet Earth is besieged by a falling asteroid, a group of scientists in Quebec's Eastern Townships may help save the day. NGC Aerospatiale, a company based in Sherbrooke, is developing technology to track and divert stray asteroids tumbling toward Earth. The technology involves autonomous satellites, intelligent devices that rely on software to make decisions in space. Autonomous satellites will be able to pinpoint potentially dangerous asteroids and act swiftly to knock them off track, without any assistance from ground control, said the company's president, Jean de Lafontaine. [It's] just like when you play billiards, explained Lafontaine. It makes an impact and it deviates the trajectory of the asteroid, so that it avoids the earth by a few thousand kilometres. The technology would rely on two satellites: an orbiter to analyze information about the asteroid, and an impacter that could travel up to 10 kilometres per second to strike the asteroid and disrupt its course. In recent years, Lafontaine helped develop early versions of the satellite software for the Canadian and European Space Agencies. The latter has since hired Lafontaine's current company to build the autonomous satellites. The threat of an asteroid striking Earth may seem like science fiction straight out of Hollywood, but Lafontaine said it's a genuine concern throughout the aerospace sector. The planet already has geographical scars from past collisions with asteroids, which can be seen at about 150 different sites around the world, said Lafontaine. Quebec is home to one of the most stunning asteroid craters, found in Manicouagan, about 200 kilometres north of Baie Comeau, in the province's northern region. The Manicouagan Crater is 70 kilometres wide, making it one of the world's largest impact craters. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: May 29 - June 2, 2006
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES May 29 - June 2, 2006 o Lava Channel (Released 29 May 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060529a o Streamlined Islands (Released 30 May 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060530a o Kasei Vallis (Released 31 May 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060531a o THEMIS ART #61 (Released 01 June 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060601a o THEMIS ART #62 (Released 02 June 2006) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20060602a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT SOME PEOPLE LIKE TO COLLECT. It is very pretentious to question the collecting habits of any particular person in any hobby. I collect spheres because that is what I like. I also collect 50mm x 50mm square slices because that is what I LIKE TO COLLECT. Why anyone would feel the need to question someone's right to enjoy any hobby is beyond me. - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; 'David Kitt Deyarmin' Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 4:36 PM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight Ehem, and why one is making spheres from meteorites?Are they especially usefull? And for what?Just wondering. Because I really have no clues, seriously not. I can understand, that e.g. a fine octahedrite as a sphere and etched, has acertain geometrical surprising aesthetics,but a chondrite? _ Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von David Kitt DeyarminGesendet: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2006 22:42An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; LeeBetreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonightPlease tell me where you are finding NWA 869 for 10 cents a gramTo get a sphere of this size you have to start with a 3" cube and cut thecorners off 16 times before you put it in the sphere machine for many hoursand many grit changes.I have looked into having spheres made from many different types ofmeteorite and it is a lot more expensive then most people think.- Original Message - From: Lee mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:35 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight- Original Message - From: "Michael Farmer" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comSent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:02 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonightI have over 60 meteorites ending tomorrow on ebay, some great items! Virtually all listed starting at one cent! 200 gram chondrite sphere! This one is worth over $400.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6632574565item=6632574565Michael, is there something I am missing on this piece? Even if the original chunk of NWA869 weighed 500 grams, and the rest was wasted in cutting, wouldn't the uncut stone have sold for about $50? I would think the 'sphering' process wouldn't add more than $75 to $100 at most to the retail price. Where does the $400 or more 'value' come from? I am sorry ifI am misunderstanding something.Lee Cornelius__Meteorite-list mailing listMeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.comhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006-- No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.1/354 - Release Date: 6/1/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re: Iimpact Crater -- Nicaragua, Stefan Brandes
Hi Sterling, Leo, List, I actualy read Leo´s letter in Sterne und Weltraum in May 2006 and was just curious if anybody on the list knew of it. I have never heard of it before and just wanted to know more about this possible crater. I´m sorry if there was any misunderstanding! Greetings from Austria Stefan - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Leo Kowald [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Stefan Brandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 10:01 PM Subject: Iimpact Crater -- Nicaragua, Stefan Brandes Hi, List, I received the following email concerning the possible impact crater in Nicaragua that Stefan Brandes posted to The List. He seems to be a bit exorcised about Stefan's finding it as he has a website discussing its possible impact origin; I can't read Deutsche but it looks impressive, with lots of views from Google Earth. He has written about it in Wikipedia, etc. He seems that he may feel that Stepfan claims to have discovered it, but the context of Stefan's original posting is quite otherwise: Has anybody heard about an impact crater in Nicaragua at coordinates 13°21' N / 85° 57' W It´s about 12km in diameter and the town of Las Praderas lies directly in the center. It´s very good to see in Google Earth. It sounds to me as if Stefan has heard of it, and is asking if anybody on The List has more information about it, that's all. Although some of those who responded to his posting may have assumed that Stefan found it, Stefan does not say so. As Mr. Kowald requests, I forward his email to Stefan and as I have only the same email address for him as Kowald does, I am posting Kowald's email to The List, hoping I am not encouraging an unnecessary quarrel. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Kowald, Leo (SBI Ruhr) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: possible impact crater -- Nicaragua, Chad, Hello Mr. Webb, I have already fount the crater of Pantasma (around Las Praderas) in January 2006 and have published by observations on http://www.pantasma.com and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pantasma . I had also written a Letter to the german journal Sterne und Weltraum, which was published in May 2006. I believe that Mr. Brandes had read this Letter. I wrote a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but got no answer yet. If you receive this message, could you please forward it to Stefan Brandes? Thanks and best regards Leo Kowald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Iimpact Crater -- Nicaragua, Stefan Brandes
Hi, List, I received the following email concerning the possible impact crater in Nicaragua that Stefan Brandes posted to The List. He seems to be a bit exorcised about Stefan's finding it as he has a website discussing its possible impact origin; I can't read Deutsche but it looks impressive, with lots of views from Google Earth. He has written about it in Wikipedia, etc. He seems that he may feel that Stepfan claims to have discovered it, but the context of Stefan's original posting is quite otherwise: Has anybody heard about an impact crater in Nicaragua at coordinates 13°21' N / 85° 57' W It´s about 12km in diameter and the town of Las Praderas lies directly in the center. It´s very good to see in Google Earth. It sounds to me as if Stefan has heard of it, and is asking if anybody on The List has more information about it, that's all. Although some of those who responded to his posting may have assumed that Stefan found it, Stefan does not say so. As Mr. Kowald requests, I forward his email to Stefan and as I have only the same email address for him as Kowald does, I am posting Kowald's email to The List, hoping I am not encouraging an unnecessary quarrel. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Kowald, Leo (SBI Ruhr) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 02, 2006 9:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: possible impact crater -- Nicaragua, Chad, Hello Mr. Webb, I have already fount the crater of Pantasma (around Las Praderas) in January 2006 and have published by observations on http://www.pantasma.com and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/pantasma . I had also written a Letter to the german journal Sterne und Weltraum, which was published in May 2006. I believe that Mr. Brandes had read this Letter. I wrote a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] but got no answer yet. If you receive this message, could you please forward it to Stefan Brandes? Thanks and best regards Leo Kowald ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests
Hi, Martin, List Discharges of meconium contain waste materials of all kinds, degraded organic materials, and blood cells. Meconium would (and does) contain DNA, which the samples do not. It is clear from Geoffrey's own micrographs that only one variety of material is present, that it is of only one geometric type, and that is of an erythrocyte (a red blood cell), which has no DNA. These two sources dismiss bat blood: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_rain_in_Kerala http://www.tmcnet.com/usubmit/2006/03/03/1427866.htm But their reasons for doing so is in error. They imagine from usual characteristics of mammalian blood in general that its red cells would dissolve in rainwater, that blood lipids would be present (and bat fragments!). But bat's blood is more than unusual; it's dramatically unique, and it WOULD be preserved. But the fact that the cell-like particles are exactly the size and of the exactly the geometric configuration as red blood cells -- imaged micrographically they are identical! -- is too much coincidence, They're saying that here is evidence of something that is INDISTINGUISHABLE from a red blood cell, but it's REALLY an alien because it's too unlikely to be blood from an earthly creature. Too unlikely? Is being an alien invader somehow MORE likely? Silly. Silly. Silly. Yes, Martin, Wickramasinghe says he MAY have found traces of DNA, but Geoffry Louis is adament that there isn't any, and repeat tests by specialist labs agree with that. When each scientist says he has found what -- surprisingly! -- we know he would WANT to find, we can be very, very suspicious. Louis himself released a claim that they multiplied, but then refused to acknowledge it publically. He has his supporters (Monica Grady for one), but his scientific pronouncements are absurd. He asserted that the absence of DNA was absolute proof of the cells' alien origin, as if he'd never heard of erythrocytes. The Indian government's identification of them as algae spores (full of DNA) is one more piece of bad science. The visual identification of the cells as mammalian (rather that avian or other) erythrocytes corresponds rather nicely with the fact that there is a mammal that inhabits the atmosphere. And I think we can all agree that bats can stay over a region much longer than a comet! Signs of lousy science abound in this affair. Ron, the extreme stability of the massive DNA molecule is why it's a good one to encode, oh, say, our whole being on for a lifetime! Sealed in a aqueous solution for a few years is no problem. Remember, trace fragments of DNA have been recovered after tens of millions of years. Organic samples in the soil for thousands of years are routinely identified by their DNA. I can't tell you how bat's blood got there, other than that it fell from the sky (where the bats are). I'm sure it's a fascinating (and unlikely) story, but it's not as unlikely as the interstellar snake oil these guys are peddling. And you have to realize that I am not biased against the notion dogmatically. I'm a panspermatic agnostic. Gimme enough proof and I'll be convinced. This story is not proof of anything but human folly. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; 'Mike Bandli' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 11:13 AM Subject: AW: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests Hola list Prof. Wickramasinghe emailed today and wrote, that they will explore the hypothesis, which we gathered together here on the list, that those cells may origine from the meconium of insects. Buckleboo! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mike Bandli Gesendet: Mittwoch, 31. Mai 2006 23:09 An: 'Meteorite Mailing List' Betreff: RE: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests I have been following this story for a while now and am surprised that the media has not had much coverage on it. Personally, I think it is a fascinating theory, though stranger things have rained from the sky like frogs, fish, and sticky white goo, which was later determined to be bee poop. Here is another (older) link with some good info: http://education.vsnl.com/godfrey/ Best, Mike Bandli -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ron Baalke Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 9:36 AM To: Meteorite Mailing List Subject: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests http://www.chennaionline.com/colnews/newsitem.asp?NEWSID=%7BEC0520F4-92DC-45 2E-AB55-AD89E642DF32%7DCATEGORYNAME=National Kerala red rain was comet disintegration Ceannai Online May 31, 2006 Kottayam, May 31: The red rains in Kerala five years ago was the result of the atmospheric disintegration of a comet,
Re: [meteorite-list] Kerala Red Rain Was From A Comet, Study Suggests
Darren G. agreed: How do you get a comet raining down material for three months over one city? It would have to be geosynchronous (revolving once around the Earth in 24 hours so that is always over the same spot). For some reason, I doubt this. Yeah, I had that same problem with the idea. While it is easy to be critical and even devilishly satisfying to mock this theory, as long as we all agree that we don't agree with the proponents of the comet idea, expend the time in those details? (except Martin, who actually seems to be in contact with the 'researchers' and might influence positively what is going on out there). Still, just because it is an off-the-wall theory that seems to be in obvious trouble, it would take some more scientific explaining to discount the possibility that the mysterious red dust entered the atmosphere and and took a while to settle down as it combined in the droplets. Granted, three months if that is the number sounds crazy, but wind currents and gusts lifting it off the ground bherever it fell is an alternate to flaming them in absentia with the geostationary idea. Micrometeorites take a couple of weeks to settle. Saludos, Doug __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dear friends, I am back.
Armando Afonso wrote: For unclarified reasons...I promise to behave properly, now. I will absorb each insult and publicity of the predators, without making wavesI have my helmet, too. Fire. Hello Armando and kindly welcome back - you really never left, you know. Please leave your helmet and provocations to Fire in the trenches and study the list dynamics just a little bit as a nice peace offering. Anyone daring the list to Fire isn't a very good element I am sure you would agree:-) You'll find that we're a much nicer bunch on the whole than you have given us credit for, so no need to fan yesterday's flames unless you feel like you have the right to make life miserable for many nice people who ask Vat ist dis? when reading some of the valueless banter. Really, I don't think anyone is really looking to fight with you or anyone else so you can leave the war toys with the toy soldiers, etc. in the war-chest. There is a lot of expertise here and even if some of us are mocosos, not editing out insensitive remarks amounts to trolling and seeking a fight - the bane of all discussion groups. Please don't teeter on being one and by that contribute to the degradation of the quality of the list and denigration of 600 innocent people deeply dedicated to meteorites, mostly a quite mature crowd, believe it or not. Let me extend my personal cautious but friendly welcome to the group as it is a great pleasure to have some diversity from Portugal and that I really mean! What was that about a 1 kilogram Oriuque (sp?) meteorite you had in your collection? Is that something you could kindly talk about? You know, all we know is what we read, and I bet you could do a great service to tell us more about the circumstances that fall in your fantastic country without even referencing what we already have heard too many times! Saludos, Doug Mexico __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Image of Canadian impact crater
Hi All, Forwarding this Google image link from the Minor Planet Mailing List (MPML): http://maps.google.com/?ll=76.616667,-109.05spn=0.204709,1.18515t=kom =1 Looks like a very obvious impact crater in northern Canada. Evidently this feature was first spotted by a U.S. Air Force Navigator back in the 1960's using ground mapping radar, but based on the above image I should think it would have been easily spotted in regular aerial photography. Is this feature a known and named impact? --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The biggest of the Antarctic meteorites...
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/13089686/ Antarctic crater linked to ancient die-off Scientists say impact might have caused extinction 250 million years ago By Robert Roy Britt Senior science writer Space.com Updated: 8:06 p.m. ET June 1, 2006 An apparent crater as big as Ohio has been found in Antarctica. Scientists think it was carved by a space rock that caused the greatest mass extinction on Earth, 250 million years ago. The crater, buried beneath a half-mile (1 kilometer) of ice and discovered by some serious airborne and satellite sleuthing, is more than twice as big as the one involved in the demise of the dinosaurs. The crater's location, in the Wilkes Land region of East Antarctica, south of Australia, suggests it might have instigated the breakup of the so-called Gondwana supercontinent, which pushed Australia northward, the researchers said. This Wilkes Land impact is much bigger than the impact that killed the dinosaurs, and probably would have caused catastrophic damage at the time, said Ralph von Frese, a professor of geological sciences at Ohio State University. The crater is about 300 miles (500 kilometers) wide. It was found by looking at differences in density that show up in gravity measurements taken with NASA's GRACE satellites. Researchers spotted a mass concentration, which they call a mascon dense stuff that welled up from the mantle, likely in an impact. If I saw this same mascon signal on the moon, I'd expect to see a crater around it, Frese said. (The moon, with no atmosphere, retains a record of ancient impacts in the visible craters there.) So Frese and colleagues overlaid data from airborne radar images that showed a 300-mile-wide subsurface, circular ridge. The mascon fit neatly inside the circle. And when we looked at the ice-probing airborne radar, there it was, he said Thursday. The Permian-Triassic extinction, as it is known, wiped out most life on land and in the oceans. Researchers have long suspected a space rock might have been involved. Some scientists have blamed volcanic activity or other culprits. The die-off set up conditions that eventually allowed dinosaurs to rule the planet. The newfound crater is more than twice the size of the Chicxulub crater in the Yucatan peninsula, which marks the impact that may have ultimately killed the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. The Chicxulub space rock is thought to have been 6 miles (10 kilometers) wide, while the Wilkes Land meteor could have been up to 30 miles (50 kilometers) wide, the researchers said. Postdoctoral researcher Laramie Potts assisted in the discovery. The work was financed by NASA and the National Science Foundation. The discovery, announced Thursday, was initially presented in a poster paper at the recent American Geophysical Union Joint Assembly meeting in Baltimore. The researchers say further work is needed to confirm the finding. One way to do that would be to go there and collect rock from the crater to see if its structure matches what would be expected from such a colossal impact. © 2006 Space.com. All rights reserved. More from Space.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Permian/Triassic?
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/060601_big_crater.html Have you seen this? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
AW: [meteorite-list] OT-Crystals
Wow! Where do you buy these perfect miniatures of Human beings? :) Andi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Charlie Devine Gesendet: Freitag, 2. Juni 2006 02:35 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] OT-Crystals http://www.mineraltown.com/Reports/giant_crystals/crystals_cave.jpg Selenite, Naica mine, southern Chihuahua, Mexico. Discovered April, 2000. I posted this pic on the list several years ago. Sorry for the repost, just going for the Wow! factor:-) Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dear friends, I am back.
On Fri, 2 Jun 2006 17:31:59 +0100, you wrote: I promise to behave properly, now. and I will absorb each insult and publicity of the predators, without making waves. Your English word for today is irony. http://www.answers.com/ironyr=67 (see definition 2a). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Satellite Reentry Witness
Hi: Make that 2! Sorry for the delayed response, but weeks behind reading all of my email. Long ago, when I was a graduagte student (early 1970s), two of us were driving up Mt. Wilson (north of Pasadena, CA) to observe. We saw something out of the window and actually had time to stop. I loked like a bolide, but was moving relatively slowly. At first we thought it could have been a plane or something. When we got to the top of the mountain, we happened to mention it to some of the other astronomers up there. Ten minutes later, I was live on a local (Loos Angeles) radio station as an expert on things falling from the sky! I had no idea what the heck it was, but given that it was too slow for a bolide (I thought) I took a chance and said that maybe it was a satellite. Sure enough, the next day, the newspaper quoted me, but said that it had been identified by government officials as a Russian booster! At least I got one thing right as a graduate student. Larry Quoting Kevin Fly Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED]: How many on this list have ever seen a satellite reentry? I'd be surprised if the answer is more than one. You might want to start with at least a startled look. March 25, 1988. Big'un -- Discarded Soviet cargo vessel came in over Texas (on it's way to Canada). Wildest thing I've ever seen in the sky. Witnessed by about two hundred people in Tyler, Texas at public gathering. This thing had reports in from all over the country. It was everything that the Space Shuttle was except at night - A major piece with multiple chunks giving off red, green and blue streaks. It moved South to North straight overhead going down to the horizon. I had just turned to wave goodbye to some friends as I was leaving a tour of historic homes -- The McClendon Home, when I spotted the fireball. I began shouting to alert the other folks and we all watched it slowly move off. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight
I have 15 kg. of 869 for $0.10/gram here, but now I am under cut in half for sale in some fairs here in Italy Matteo Matteo, I will tell you what, you put some up, sell them for what you want. The real world works like that, if you see it, you want it, you pay for it. Ebay lets buyers pay what they will. I say the retail value. If you don't like the price, as we say in the USA, Don't let the door hit you in the ass. Matteo, leave me alone, mind you own business, and shut your pie-hole about things which are not of your concern. Better yet, aren't you overdue to scam a new Italian meteorite fall? It has been a year or so. Everyone on the list can see that I answered a valid question, in no way causing any problems, yet Matteo just has to poke his head up and hit at me. Mike Farmer You have been created problems time ago, and now you pay this for the fake informations you have put on internet on mehere in Italy you hare well know from many time. --- David Kitt Deyarmin [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: Please tell me where you are finding NWA 869 for 10 cents a gram To get a sphere of this size you have to start with a 3 cube and cut the corners off 16 times before you put it in the sphere machine for many hours and many grit changes. I have looked into having spheres made from many different types of meteorite and it is a lot more expensive then most people think. - Original Message - From: Lee To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 31, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad: large one cent ebay sale tonight I have over 60 meteorites ending tomorrow on ebay, some great items! Virtually all listed starting at one cent! 200 gram chondrite sphere! This one is worth over $400.00 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=6632574565 Michael, is there something I am missing on this piece? Even if the original chunk of NWA869 weighed 500 grams, and the rest was wasted in cutting, wouldn't the uncut stone have sold for about $50? I would think the 'sphering' process wouldn't add more than $75 to $100 at most to the retail price. Where does the $400 or more 'value' come from? I am sorry if I am misunderstanding something. Lee Cornelius __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/353 - Release Date: 5/31/2006 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dear friends, I am back.
good luck Matteo --- Armando Afonso [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: For unclarified reasons, my posting to this list is allowed again, and without the need of another email adress for each new message! Thanks!!! I promise to behave properly, now. I will absorb each insult and publicity of the predators, without making waves. I have my helmet, too. Fire. AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite - Matteo Chinellato Via Triestina 126/A - 30030 - TESSERA, VENEZIA, ITALY Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sale Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.it Collection Site: http://www.mcomemeteorite.info MSN Messanger: spacerocks at hotmail.com EBAY.COM:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/mcomemeteorite/ Chiacchiera con i tuoi amici in tempo reale! http://it.yahoo.com/mail_it/foot/*http://it.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 1.2 t Mundrabilla cut
Hi, Folks, just thought you might to have a look at the 1.2 t Mundrabilla which was to be cut. Here a link to the newspaper article: http://www.rocksonfire.com/Dandy Mundrabilla.jpg mailbox:///C%7C/Documents%20and%20Settings/Norbert/Application%20Data/Thunderbird/Profiles/0bb3eytg.slt/Mail/mail/Inbox?number=180053625part=1.1.2filename=Dandy%20Mundrabilla.jpg Enjoy! -- Best regards from DOWN-UNDER, Norbert Heike Kammel *ROCKS ON FIRE * IMCA #3420 www.rocksonfire.com http://www.rocksonfire.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: AW: [meteorite-list] OT-Crystals
Andi wrote: Wow! Where do you buy these perfect minatures of hman beings?:) Seeing is disbelieving. This page gives a short synopsis. Check the link more photos to see more little people :-) http://giantcrystals.strahlen.org/america/naica.htm Charlie __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dear friends, I am back.
Welcome back Armando Afonso. The purpose of this list is to exchange useful information about meteorites, not insults! I'm sure if you keep that in mind, you won't need a helmet! Mike Fowler Chicago For unclarified reasons, my posting to this list is allowed again, and without the need of another email adress for each new message! Thanks!!! I promise to behave properly, now. I will absorb each insult and publicity of the predators, without making waves. I have my helmet, too. Fire. AA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
