Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian bolide message rehash, ALL
Hi, Randall, the impact calculator you are using is an excellent tool, but it has real limitations. The authors say in their disclaimer that it breaks down and becomes unreliable for very small or very large impacts, and the event you are talking about is, by their standards, very small. I've played with it a lot and read the .pdf file documentation on their assumptions -- it is very poor at modeling seismic responses (among other defects). You can't trust it for that. It has problems (see the example given a few paragraphs down). As an example of how hard it is to untangle an event, I offer one I witnessed. One afternoon, in my little downstate Illinois store, I heard a tremendous boom from outside. Going out, I discovered that everyone in town had heard it. The Fire Chief had called the Propane Company to make sure one of their big tanks hadn't exploded. Within a few hours, it was on St. Louis, MO, radio stations. The explosion had been heard from points 85 miles apart. The epicenter had been about 30 miles from me. Seismographs 30 miles away had registered a 3.2 event. Airports were queried, as well as the (then) MacDonnell-Douglas works, and an Air National Guard station. No, they had no supersonic flights going on. Suspicion in the public mind began to center on an industrial facility that had had such incidents in the past and tried to conceal them, but they issued vigorous denials. I naturally thought: Meteorite!! But there were no reports of a flash in the sky, a trail, the sighting of a fireball, or any other indication of meteoric origin for the boom. Four days later, a sheepish pilot, who had been testing a new military jet, came forward and admitted to accidentally taking his craft supersonic at high altitude: I just nosed her over a little and boom! she went super... Boom indeed. That's all it took to create a boom heard for 40+ miles in every direction, that registered well on a local seismograph. At 30 miles away, where I was running an antique store filled with glass, the entire building filled with the sound of glass tinkling on glass, eerily and all at once. Just one plane, not even a big plane (I think it was an F-18E). About six weeks before the Moss meteorite fireball in Norway, there was a much bigger Norwegian fireball, seen over 400 miles, that left 3.7 to 3.8 seismic traces, and thunderously detonated. We all thought it might be a good one for meteorites, but none was ever found. The original estimate was that it was an Hiroshima bomb sized explosion. When those seismic traces were finally evaluated by an expert, they were produced by an equivalent to the explosion of 300 tons of TNT. (We would have all missed that but Darren Garrison found it.) The famous Park Forest meteorite event was even less energetic. The astronomer who made that Hiroshima estimate apologized; he said he got carried away. It's easy to get carried away. Another coincidence is that the witnesses to that first Norwegian fireball saw it hit a mountain. And, soon, there was discovered a cup-shaped crater on the side of an appropriately placed mountain! Another long story, but the result was that the mountainside crater was a land-slip (and it turned out to be in the wrong place by many miles). You too seem to have a mountainside crater. Telling whether it's an impact feature or a landslip requires a geological expert, but the odds are in favor of a landslip, particularly since the question of seismic events is involved; it's seismic active spot, Peru. It was in trying to model that Norwegian event with that on-line calculator that you're using that I discovered some real weaknesses in the way it works... I very quickly detected some very odd behavior on its part. Taking a specific run of the model which had produced a good blast (airburst) with seismic effects and plenty of noise, I altered one parameter by the smallest unit amount: I changed the angle of entry from 45 degrees to 44 degrees. Obviously, such a small change should only produce a very slight change IN THE REAL WORLD, but in the model -- all the blast, seismicity, and sound vanished from the results! Bad Javascript math? There are not a lot of experts in this sort of thing but a fair number of them are on this List. Rob is one, as is Marco Langobroeck, and Chris Peterson. When I was being misled by that on-line calculator about this first (pre-Moss) Norway event, Chris gave me this example of an ordinary fireball: Well, there are models and there are models (and there is reality). That model may have many useful elements, but consider one actual example. I have a very well characterized event over southwest Colorado from 2002. The meteoroid fragmented at a height of 36 km and dissipated 1e10 joules, or about 2.4 tons TNT. The estimated entry mass was 95 kg. This event was recorded barometrically at three stations, the farthest being 720 km away.
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[meteorite-list] BL meteorite NWA1685 Achondrite clasts?
Hello list, I have been having fun with my BL meteorites and just aquired a nice ~100 gram slice. There was much discussion about this LL5 meteorite a while ago because of its gorgeous crust. Not so much discussion on its interior. My new slice is incredible! It has large homogeneous grey clasts which do not attract magnets. I was wondering if these clasts are achondritic? Can an LL5 brecciated meteorite include abundant achondritic clast or would this alter its classification Does anyone have more info on its classification? The Met Bull. still lists this as provisional. The first pic is of my new slice. Notice the large central inclusion. The second pic is a smaller 6 gram end slice and the third pic is my 66 gram beautiful individual. http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_99.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_5.8.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_66.8.jpg Jeff Kuyken also has some nice pics and info on this stuff. http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/bl.html Cheers on a wintery Saturday morning in Canada. Mike Tettenborn __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
Greetings all, Proud Tom has peeked his pointy little head out finally at least far enough to request he be placed on the Meteorite Friends Page (provided proper titles were accorded him). A saw his title request as entirely appropriate, since they so fit his function in the meteorite community. So, joining the Meteorite Friends Page today are Morten Bilet, Jürgen Nauber and our own Proud Tom! They can be seen with the rest of us at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html PS: I note with disappointment some posters to the list (and other meteorite friends of mine) still have failed to come up with a photo for the page. Come on you guys, just how hard IS it these days to get someone to take a digital photo of you. Hell, most people have the function on their stinking phone! Let's get with it. Be there or be square! Best wishes, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (Fwd) email problems
Forwarded from Michael Murray - another lister with posting problems. Gary --- Forwarded message follows --- To: Gary K. Foote [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:email problems Date sent: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 07:31:03 -0700 Keywords: Hi Gary, If this makes it to you, I was hoping you might forward this email to the Met-List. I have been trying to respond to a few individuals in the recent days and apparently my emails are 'dying on the vine' so to speak. I'm trying to re-subscribe to the Met-List again but apparently that's not going through either. I just wanted to let those individuals that I was trying to respond back to know that I was trying to get back to them. My apologies, I don't know what the problem is. Hopefully we will figure it out soon. Thanks Michael Murray Montrose, CO --- End of forwarded message --- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BL meteorite NWA1685 Achondrite clasts?
List, As I have done in the past, I forgot how crappy geocities is. Not many can look at my pictures before my bandwidth is exceeded. I have reposted my pics on a photosite. The one that looks like a slice of bread is the new 100 gram slice. http://mtettenborn.photosite.com/Album1/ Cheers, Mike - Original Message - From: tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 11:00 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] BL meteorite NWA1685 Achondrite clasts? Hello list, I have been having fun with my BL meteorites and just aquired a nice ~100 gram slice. There was much discussion about this LL5 meteorite a while ago because of its gorgeous crust. Not so much discussion on its interior. My new slice is incredible! It has large homogeneous grey clasts which do not attract magnets. I was wondering if these clasts are achondritic? Can an LL5 brecciated meteorite include abundant achondritic clast or would this alter its classification Does anyone have more info on its classification? The Met Bull. still lists this as provisional. The first pic is of my new slice. Notice the large central inclusion. The second pic is a smaller 6 gram end slice and the third pic is my 66 gram beautiful individual. http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_99.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_5.8.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_66.8.jpg Jeff Kuyken also has some nice pics and info on this stuff. http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/bl.html Cheers on a wintery Saturday morning in Canada. Mike Tettenborn __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Friends
Now THAT's a unique look! Thanks Michael for getting PT on the radar screen. Gary On 3 Mar 2007 at 8:28, Michael L Blood wrote: Greetings all, Proud Tom has peeked his pointy little head out finally at least far enough to request he be placed on the Meteorite Friends Page (provided proper titles were accorded him). A saw his title request as entirely appropriate, since they so fit his function in the meteorite community. So, joining the Meteorite Friends Page today are Morten Bilet, Jürgen Nauber and our own Proud Tom! They can be seen with the rest of us at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/MeteoriteFriends.html PS: I note with disappointment some posters to the list (and other meteorite friends of mine) still have failed to come up with a photo for the page. Come on you guys, just how hard IS it these days to get someone to take a digital photo of you. Hell, most people have the function on their stinking phone! Let's get with it. Be there or be square! Best wishes, Michael -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] CAI in Tagish Lake?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Peruvian Crater
My guess is that Mr. Randall is obsessed with getting some recognition and some atta boys. To most of us it's a no brainer - if you want to keep something a secret, don't tell anyone about it. A while back there was another crater finder who claimed he had found material at the site of his astrobleme. He went on and on ( and on and on) about the importance of his discovery and all the tests that were being done outside of the country. In addition, he claimed that there was some sort of conspiracy by many of the top meteoritic scientists in the USA who were trying to steal his find and his thunder. Most, if not all of his rants, were conducted on two separate forums (MeteoriteImpact Forum and the NuggetShooter Forum.) where he got very disturbed if anyone challenged him. Those who showed an interest in his outlandish claims were made privy to more information. If I remember right, he even claimed that the comet (not a meteor) that caused his astrobleme (which was named in his honor..;-)) was the same heavenly body that the three wise men followed in search of the Christ child over 2,000 years ago. Gz. What intrigues me is that Mr. Randall and the finder of the astrobleme both sound very intelligent and sincere. They seem very serious about their endeavors and put a lot of time into trying to convince others that they are onto something big. What they fail to realize is that there are some very knowledgeable people reading and listening who aren't going to take these claims serious without some good, professionally conducted proof. If I thought I had a discovery as important as these fellows claim to have, you'd better believe I'd keep my mouth shut...even if I had to stick both of my feet in it! Sorry for rambling, John At 12:12 AM 2/26/2007, Dana L. Hawn wrote: If Randall is only open for discussion about the crater and the find after scientific studies have been completed what was the point of mentioning it now prior to the studies being completed? What is the point of the rambling about the laws and filed paperwork, ect.? What is up with throwing in the fear factors about what could happen to a person if they did this or that? If Randall was concerned about someone horning in on his find and ransacking the crater why didn't he just remained tight lipped about the find like others have done? Looks like loose lips can sink more than a ship. I wish all people acted like Steve Arnold when it comes to a good find! Luckily Randall will not be the last person on the face of the Earth to have a find and we can all happily going hunting our own merry ways. Happy Hunting to One and All, Dana L. Hawn Louisville, Illinois Now that's room service! http://travel.yahoo.com/hotelsearchpage;_ylc=X3oDMTFtaTIzNXVjBF9TAzk3NDA3NTg5BF9zAzI3MTk0ODEEcG9zAzIEc2VjA21haWx0YWdsaW5lBHNsawNxMS0wNw--Choose from over 150,000 hotels in 45,000 destinations on Yahoo! Travel to find your fit. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] do meteorites fluoresce??
I've looked at dozens of meteorites under both short and long wave UV light saw no florescence. Best, John At 07:05 PM 2/26/2007, Jake Baker wrote: Does anyone know -- Do meteorites fluoresce? Could a person use a black light to look for them? Barb Show Low, Az [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] do meteorites fluoresce?
Greetings fluorescence fans: Some many years ago I tried out my short wave light on the meteorites in my collection and had the same results as those already reported, nada. The only meteorite that I can think of that may have some minerals that would have fluorescence would be the Martian meteorites. Fluorescence is caused not only by ultraviolet, but can also be caused by other radiations such as X rays and even visible light. That said, few chemically pure minerals will fluoresce at all. It usually takes an impurity in the mineral to cause fluorescence. The type and amount of the impurity present will determine the color and intensity of the fluorescence. Regards, Fred Hall ** AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Last on Adamana for a while (I hope)
Hi, At the risk of stepping into a private argument and collecting a wild punch, I just wanted to point out something about meteoric entry. The stone is most likely to fragment at the point of maximum dynamic pressure from the atmosphere (or Max Q). The dynamic pressure equals (density) x (velocity)^2 / 2. Now, the square of the object's velocity decreases exponentially, that is to say very rapidly, from the drag created by that rising pressure. A good chunk of rock is going to be slowing down at anywhere from 50 gees to perhaps 200 gees. We can measure the actual deceleration of meteors and we can test existing meteorites to determine their crushing strength, and that is the range we find. The density of the atmosphere increases linearly in proportion to altitude, so the pressure builds up mostly in the later stages of the entry. The three factors (rapid slowdown, weak stones, and atmospheric density) combine to USUALLY result in a low altitude fragmentation. If the stone is unusually weak (friable) it will fragment at a higher altitude. Stones that fragment into a very large number of pieces (like Holbrook) seem to do so because they are very weak. Thus, Holbrook could be considered atypically weak and that could produce some odd behavior. While Jason is correct that the maximum pressure is exerted on the nose of a nose cone, that point is also the most stable and the least subject to vibration. The external shock waves in hypersonic flight could have folded smoothly over the ablating cone-shaped portion of the mass and then become turbulent further back along the more irregular and less ablated main body of the object, producing buffeting and vibration that caused the main portion of the mass to shatter and break in half (or at least into two pieces because the stone was very weak), while the nose managed to transition the hypersonic-subsonic boundary more or less intact, leaving the second stone to re-fragment and re-fragment, ablating until they too could also drop to subsonic velocities. It's an unusual scenario, not the normal breakup (if there is such a thing as a normal meteoric breakup). This could all be a wild fantasy but, interestingly, there is this paper that claims that a mathematical analysis of the distribution of sizes of fragments found in a meteorite fall can reveal such details as the number of breakups the object went through or if the shape of the original body deviated from the spherical: http://www.iop.org/EJ/article/0295-5075/43/5/598/node4.html by L. Oddershede (Technical University of Denmark ), A. Meibom (University of Odense, Denmark ) and J. Bohr (Hawai'i Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, University of Hawai'i at Manoa) The authors say: A known example is the Holbrook shower, where the presence of different thicknesses of the fusion crust shows that the meteoroid was subject to at least two fragmentation processes. The mass distribution of fragments from the Holbrook shower... seems S-shaped which might be consistent with a superposition of two power laws with different cut-off masses... The mass distributions could equally well or better be a result of three (or more) fragmentations. They are talking about the fragments called Holbrook only, but it is clear that the statistics suggest a stepped process in which a big rock breaks into two rocks, one of which breaks into multiple fragments, the largest of which could in turn break into smaller multiple fragments... They studied a number of showers and found some to be the result of a single fragmentation event and some to be the result of multiple fragmentations. Quite incidentally, the equations also imply the volumetric coefficient of the original shape. The Mbale Object was almost spherical (with Vc=3) while the original Sikhote-Aline meteoroid was a long cylinder (Vc=1.8). Hey, no wonder it had such a bumpy ride! A big iron splinter. Jason would be right in that it is counter-intuitive and does not follow the usual course of events for the many Holbrooks and the Venus Stone to be part of the same mass, but there are many indications that this may be an unusual fragmentation event, in which case all the usual bets are off. Theory is one thing, but the proof is always on the ground (or in it, sometimes). Keep hunting! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 11:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Last on Adamana for a while (I hope) Hi again, Jason, I've been researching the Holbrook field and it's history for about 9 years now. Talking to old timers and listening to their stories passed down from their ancestors, etc. I've found 100's of the stones and the people I've hunted with, at least a hundred more. I think I/we have a pretty good idea now as to the orientation of
Re: [meteorite-list] NEW LUNAR monzogabbro meteorite looks like aShergottite
Weathering processes on the moon are primarily related to solar and impact
processes, so mantle material, as well as intrusive monzogabbroic material
equivalent to mugearitic rock in extrusive terrestrial contexts will have been
present on the lunar surface in variable concentrations in respect to magnitude
of impact, although relationships of impact intensity to depth of specific
geologic materials is not determinate, since plutonic bodies of mafic
composition are not restricted to any depth on earth at all times, and basaltic
extrusive expressions of chemical compositions rich in ferromagnessian minerals
(noritic and gabbroic rock) are exceedingly common here. This new lunar
material seems to be hypabyssal macroscopically, which may account for the
reported subjective responses of certain members of the meteoritical community
of similarity to shergottites, which are related to extrusive and hypabyssal
intrusive activity on mars.
Martin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Rob,
.. Meteorites have, at least the potential to come from
deeper than the long weathered surface materials
brought back by the Apollo crews. This all makes sense
to me, if it is a confirmed discovery.
You're right Rob,
For example the pairing group around Dho 310-breccias has some spinel,
indicating that those parts of the breccia stem from the deeper lunar crust
(20km), see here:
http://www.meteorites.ru/menu/publication-e/demidova-ms2003-e.pdf
Or take the fresher granulite NWA 3163/4483, which is suggested to be a
crustal rock, practically not sampled by the Apollo missions:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2006/pdf/1365.pdf
Best
Martin
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NEW LUNAR monzogabbro meteorite looks like
aShergottite
I am not going to claim any authority in the area of
geology but I will claim a good experience of
Anorthosite, a principle constituent of the lunar
surface. The Isle of Harris, the next island down from
me [is actually connected to my island, Lewis, by a
land bridge] has an entire mountain made from the
stuff, despite it's rare nature and I've collected
plenty of it to decorate my garden.
It weathers by ice and abrasion to the same gorgeous
white colour of the genesis rock brought back by the
Apollo 15 crew. This is not surprising since their
rock was weathered on the outside too, but that stone
was impact weathered only.
Inside the rocks from harris they are remarkably
crystaline, quite grey in appearance and U took the
liberty of borrowing a lathe[?] to polish a small
section of a chunk i rather brutally chipped off with
a chisel. Apart from the colour, it looks very like a
piece of SAU008/005, a shergottite.
In all honesty and with hindsight, it does not
surprise me that a lunar meteorite may well look like
a martian one.
Anorthosite I believe, is a plutonic rock and since
most of the white part of the moon is made from it,
the only surpise to me, after thinking about it, is
that one that looks like a shergottite has not been
discovered before.
I suggest that aeons of impacts on the moon do not
leave big enough chunks near the surface to preserve
the structure of the rock and that is why we haven't
seen one before. Having said that, we've only really
been looking for a few years.
Meteorites have, at least the potential to come from
deeper than the long weathered surface materials
brought back by the Apollo crews. This all makes sense
to me, if it is a confirmed discovery.
In a differentiated body the size of the moon and
mars, I think, in retrospect, we should not be
surprised at all.
Obviously, if this turns out to be a hoax, I absolve
myself of all I have said here on the grounds that I
have never heard of monzogabbro before. Gabbro is just
a feldspar with less than 60% or is it 40%[?]
anorthosite. What the frip does monzo mean? I thought
he was a character in the muppet show.
Rob McC
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[meteorite-list] CAI in Tagish Lake?
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Dear List; I was surprised to read that ebay may be doing something about crime read on! This came from the ebay information page. Hi everyone... I'm Mike Rou, Senior Manager, Global Law Enforcement Operations. My team works with law enforcement agencies around the world to pursue, apprehend, and prosecute fraudsters who may use eBay or PayPal to commit their crimes. Due to the legal nature of the work my team does, our efforts to fight these crimes often need to stay behind the scenes. Here are some interesting facts for 2006: # We contributed to 549 arrests since January 2006, resulting in 351 prison years for the convicted criminals involved # We disrupted a major Tanzanian theft ring responsible for stealing $6MM in Hewlett Packard servers # We facilitated the first case between the Chinese Immigration and Customs Enforcement and China police which involved $840,000 in counterfeit DVDs # We trained around 200 Romanian police, judges and prosecutors on how to investigate and prosecute cyber criminals Dave F. mjwy __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Central posting problems
Jones's corollary- the more spammy the post the more likely it is to repeat itself. Dave F. Thread killer Gary K. Foote wrote: I've noticed the same pattern - repeat posts coming thru in bunches. Gary On 2 Mar 2007 at 17:39, David Weir wrote: Dean, When I get that random buch of posts every few days I believe they are all repeats of posts I've already received days earlier and already deleted. David __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Last on Adamana for a while (I hope)
Dave, It was good to talk to you on the phone the other day. Thanks for the update and your always appreciated opinion. I hope to get up there and do a little scouting around with you before Summer. And, as far as I'm concerned, you and Schoner are the experts when it comes to Holbrook. Best, JKG At 10:09 PM 3/1/2007, DNAndrews wrote: Hi again, Jason, I've been researching the Holbrook field and it's history for about 9 years now. Talking to old timers and listening to their stories passed down from their ancestors, etc. I've found 100's of the stones and the people I've hunted with, at least a hundred more. I think I/we have a pretty good idea now as to the orientation of the elipse and the size of the known field. From all of this, I can pretty much now tell what direction the bolide came from and which way it was headed. I can tell you now, from personal experience, it's now 3-1/2 x 1-1/2 miles. You can quote Norton, Kring, Farrington, Google all you want, but that's the sizenow. It's not growing from erosion. Now that's ridiculous (as you keep saying). Those stones didn't blow in the wind on top and sides of those dunes, nor did they go down some torential wash and end up there either. I'm sure the modern day King of Holbrook, Steve Schoner, will agree with me on this as will a few others. In fact, it was years I ago I got the approx. dimensions from him off this very list. The only reason I mentioned large chondrules in some of the original finds, is to point out the Holbrook meteorite was not homogenous in structure. There is even a picture I have of an original Foote stone that has an 11mm hole where a chondrule fell out of it's crust. However, of all my finds, I only see a size of 1mm or maybe a very few 2mm (as the largest) chondrules in the matrix. I found one stone of ~140 gms in weight, that was in fragments. It's non-crusted, exposed surfaces were brownmuch like the sides of the Adamana stone. I have a cast of the Adamana, and it's of such quality that I can see some of the chondrules. They look just like the size of the typical chondrules in the Holbrook finds to me. I appreciate all your textbook explanations as to why I'm a kook, but I really don't think the Holbrook was a textbook fall. Yes, I thought of sonic booms as the rapid succession explosions. As far as all the pressure and stress on the front of the bolide, what effect does that have on the trailing portion of the body? It appears that the Adamana nose cone made it through it's flight in the atmosphere to it's strewn field. Did I say strewn field? Sorry, my mistake. And the back side of the stone? Looks quite cracked and friable to me. The only thing about it that bothers me is the top-side crust. Now, I'm not going to tell everything I know to you or hundreds of other people. That would be cutting my own throat like I've probably already said too much already. However, I will share that I talked to the original finders of the Adamana stone last night on the phone. It was found in their horse corral and then they used it as a door stop on their barn. They know nothing of any Railroad bed filler in the corral. So, out goes the fence post storythe cowboy with the .22 ( who will remain nameless as well).the Goodwater story, etc. The good news is I have my permission to hunt on their property. I expect to come up empty-handed, but who knows? Might get lucky like Larry did. ;-) Anyway Jason, you are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled my kooky, half-baked theory. As you said, you weren't here at the time of the fall, neither was I. But, I'm here now...that's the difference. Cheers, Dave (who is running late to work) Jason Utas wrote: Hello Dave, All, If indeed the Adamana meteorite is the front piece of the Holbrook, and I'm NOT saying it is The idea of a 'front piece' of the Holbrook mass is something that I find completely ridiculous. Stress mechanics alone state that anything at the front of the object would be subjected to much greater stress than the remainder of the stone and would therefore be the first part of the stone to fragment. There's simply no reason whatsoever for the trailing remainder of the meteorite to so violently explode, seeing as it must have been subjected to much lesser forces. If, however, it were simply a small portion of a larger 'main mass' of Holbrook that one hypothesizes must have traveled an additional number of miles past the known termination of the strewnfield, you might have the basis for some sort of multiple-fragmentation, the likes of which has *never* been seen before, with at least two distribution ellipses separated my miles of 'barren' land. I, however, find this about equally unlikely as the previously mentioned possibility, if not more so. then it would have the thickest primary crust out of any other portion of the fall. Why? There's no reason for such a 'front
[meteorite-list] Top ten hubble pictures
These are awesome! Subject: HUBBLE PICTURES Recently, astronauts voted on the top photographs taken by Hubble, in its 16-year journey so far. Remarking in the article from the Daily Mail, reporter Michael Hanlon says the photos illustrate that our universe is not only deeply strange, but also almost impossibly beautiful. To view the top ten Hubble Space photographs, HYPERLINK below http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/galleries/index.html?in_gallery_id=9139 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/galleries/index.html?in_gallery_id=9139in in _page_id=1055 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BL posting meteorite photos
List, Have been having trouble sharing photos with all here. My geocities account is way too restricted and soon my bandwidth is exceeded. Tried photosite but when my email was sent it ended back in my bulk bin. Try this yahoo link: http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/album?.dir=/31e6re2 It should work. Thanks Mike__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Central in batch-delivery mode for everyone?
Hi All, Meteorite Central has been acting up all week with posts showing up in batches of 20 or more at a time, often delayed by days and/or repeated. At the risk of sending another message into the internet wormhole, here is a resend of my now somewhat dated post from last night: - - - - Originally sent: 3/1/2007 10:20pm PST Hi All, Was out getting the mail and was treated to a nice fireball descending and moving right-to-left, starting in Cassiopeia in the northwest. The particulars in case someone else in the southern California area saw it: Date: 3/1/2007 Time: 8:25 pm PST Location: Irvine, CA (33.631N, 117.817W) Starting azimuth: 320 +/- 5 Starting elevation: 22 +/- 2 deg Ending azimuth: 295 +/- 5 Ending elevation: 12 deg +/- 1 deg Duration: 3-4 seconds Speed: on the slow side Brightness: -7 to -8 Color: orange Comments: no fragmentation, but a thick meteor track about a quarter-degree wide in the cross-track direction. No sonic booms heard any time in the following 4 minutes. I'm about 90% sure I heard electrophonic hissing coincident with the visible display. I can't be 100% sure, but it may have been the hissing that prompted me to turn and see the meteor. I was standing near a tree, a metal light poll, and the somewhat large metal box containing all the mailboxes for my end of the street. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] the black nwa 1685
Hi list and tett.That is one sweet piece you just got.My 198 gram fully crusted individual that I got in trade from roman jirasik has alot of nice thumbprinting,dips,and some flow lines that you really have to see.It also has some secondary crust as well.The matrix inside looks like a small universe inside.But it is the blackness of the fusion crust that makes it so nice to have.This meteorite is all but gone in collections,never to be seen again.What a find by dean.Also tett,nice pics of that beauty. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BATCH REPEAT MAILS
Hi, List, Only in the digital universe! A recursive message structure (the Thread), the subject of which is re-iterative recursive messages and which contains re-iterated recursive messages complaining about recursive re-iteration, which messages are themselves re-iterated and generate further recursive messages which complain about their own re-iteration (is this re-re-re-iteration?). Here's some suggestions: a.) Avoid hallways with mirrors on both sides. b.) Don't throw back your head and yell Echo! c.) Find the Evil Wizard's Talisman and break it. d.) Don't quarrel with your Doppelganger. e.) Don't send messages like this, that only re-iterate... Whoops! Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Sikhote-Alin Partial Slices
I have 4 very small slices of Sikhote-Alin available in the following gram weights: 9gr, 8gr, 7gr 3gr These were created when I took a regular slice and cut it into a 50mm x 50mm Square Slice for my collection. I used these to test my etching technique before I worked on the slice for my collection, so they are in various degrees of polish and etch. From what I have been told, SA is very difficult to cut so you do not see a lot of it available as slices. For my own experience it is hard to etch, when I received the slice it looked like it barley had 2 separate bands but by the time I finished working on it, it had 3 distinct bands and some nice inclusions. I paid $3 per gram for the original slice and I would like to get that for these 4 small slices. If you are interested and would like to see a picture of the slices please send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MORE PHOTOS: BL meteorite NWA1685 Achondrite clasts?
I got the BL Meteorite 3 or 4 years ago and no more seems to have turned up and no other dealer seems to have had any either. Of course you never know for sure with NWAs but it appears that I may have had it all. I may have a couple pieces in storage in Canada with my mother, brother or friend but I think that I only have two slices left. These I sent to blaine reed before I left canada (Who had them on display in denver last year) and I got them back for the munich show shortly afterwards (Where they were also on display). I had I think eight pieces in munich. I just put sandpaper to one side of each of these two slices and it is unusually soft and powdery for an LL. Certainly one of the nicest and most interesting chondrites you will find. See the photos of both sides of my last two slices here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/bl.html Cheers DEAN http://www.meteoriteshop.com (PS:I would sell these for $1.90 a gram if anybody is interested. Probably worth a lot more) Each slice has crust on one end. --- tett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello list, I have been having fun with my BL meteorites and just aquired a nice ~100 gram slice. There was much discussion about this LL5 meteorite a while ago because of its gorgeous crust. Not so much discussion on its interior. My new slice is incredible! It has large homogeneous grey clasts which do not attract magnets. I was wondering if these clasts are achondritic? Can an LL5 brecciated meteorite include abundant achondritic clast or would this alter its classification Does anyone have more info on its classification? The Met Bull. still lists this as provisional. The first pic is of my new slice. Notice the large central inclusion. The second pic is a smaller 6 gram end slice and the third pic is my 66 gram beautiful individual. http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_99.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_5.8.jpg http://ca.geocities.com/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/metpics/NWA1685_66.8.jpg Jeff Kuyken also has some nice pics and info on this stuff. http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/bl.html Cheers on a wintery Saturday morning in Canada. Mike Tettenborn __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the black nwa 1685
Ohhh I'm sure we'll all see at least one more piece again. Dave - Original Message - From: steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] the black nwa 1685 Hi list and tett.That is one sweet piece you just got.My 198 gram fully crusted individual that I got in trade from roman jirasik has alot of nice thumbprinting,dips,and some flow lines that you really have to see.It also has some secondary crust as well.The matrix inside looks like a small universe inside.But it is the blackness of the fusion crust that makes it so nice to have.This meteorite is all but gone in collections,never to be seen again.What a find by dean.Also tett,nice pics of that beauty. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites TV dinner still cooling? Check out Tonight's Picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BL meteorite NWA1685 Achondrite clasts?
Hi Dean, Mike T., Steve, and List, Dean wrote: I got the BL Meteorite 3 or 4 years ago Certainly one of the nicest and most interesting chondrites See the photos of both sides of my last two slices here: http://www.meteoriteshop.com/metsale/bl.html Really a fascinating meteorite and the pics Jeff Kuyken has on his website are the specimens and thin sections I purchased from Dean: http://www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/bl.html I was so fascinated by this stuff that I tried to keep track of the whereabouts of the specimens Dean offered for sale. Thus I still have the names of the ca. 35-40 people who acquired specimens, the respective weights, and Dean's pictures! Best wishes, Bernd P.S. The total lunar eclipse has just begun here. We had a clear sky here until about half an hour ago but right now we are clouded out. Oh, well! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] trades vs ads
Hi, Bit of advice needed - we all know the 1 ad per month rule set by Art - does the same rule apply to trading/swapping? I ask this because, as some of you know I am undergoing an amicable divorce and I am keeping my minerals an meteorites. However, I am not in a position to sell for cash for technical reasons but I can swap - I was just wondering what the team felt about swaps ( BTW I have no intentions of swamping the list, of course - I just have another item I might offer up) thanks for your indulgence dave Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CAI in Tagish Lake?
A CAI in a carbonaceous chondrite? Comments are welcome! http://ca.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/voltage_contrast/album?.dir=/bd24re2 Hello Charles and List, A CAI in a carbonaceous chondrite? Where else if not in a carbonaceous chondrite? CAI's are very common in carbonaceous chondrites and pretty rare in non-carbonaceous chondrites! So the problem is probably: Are there CAI's in Tagish Lake? Yes, there are: 1) ZOLENSKY M.E. et al. (2000) Tagish Lake: A special new type two carbonaceous chondrite fall (MAPS 35-5, 2000, Suppl., A178-A179): ... altered CAIs (up to 2 mm) ... The CAI has the sinuous texture typical of CMs, but is almost completely altered to phyllosilicates 2) Meteoritical Bulletin, No. 84, 2000 August: ... a few small chondrules, CAIs, and isolated grains ... Best wishes, Bernd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trades vs ads
Dave, I wouldent worry to much as long as you dont overdo it. Art is on record as saying that he dont care about the ads and the policy was only put in place after 3 or 4 people whined and complained and spammed the list with more wasted bandwidth than the people posting dozens of sale postings a week. More people want the ads than are offended by them. As long as you are reasonable and not flood the list with minor insignificant or duplicate sale and trade postings over and over every day or two I doubt you will piss off more than one or two people who doesnt matter anyway. Just use common sense and be reasonable and you wont piss off more than 1% of the list. A lot of people are interested when you come up with new things that would be considered an ad by some people. You will notice that the biggest whiners are among the biggest abusers of the one week rule making announcements of something new and important and then claiming its not an ad. Use common sense and you will be fine. Cheers DEAN --- Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bit of advice needed - we all know the 1 ad per month rule set by Art - does the same rule apply to trading/swapping? I ask this because, as some of you know I am undergoing an amicable divorce and I am keeping my minerals an meteorites. However, I am not in a position to sell for cash for technical reasons but I can swap - I was just wondering what the team felt about swaps ( BTW I have no intentions of swamping the list, of course - I just have another item I might offer up) thanks for your indulgence dave Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Never Miss an Email Stay connected with Yahoo! Mail on your mobile. Get started! http://mobile.yahoo.com/services?promote=mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trades vs ads
Read the list policy.. There is no one ad per week rule. This is an urban legend. General List Policies: Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites Be courteous and professional at all times Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box Send emails in text format, not -HTML- Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a file link Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references- Do not post -major advertisement- emails to the list - include a 'sale' link If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box Howard Steffic From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] trades vs ads Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 21:44:12 + (GMT Standard Time) Hi, Bit of advice needed - we all know the 1 ad per month rule set by Art - does the same rule apply to trading/swapping? I ask this because, as some of you know I am undergoing an amicable divorce and I am keeping my minerals an meteorites. However, I am not in a position to sell for cash for technical reasons but I can swap - I was just wondering what the team felt about swaps ( BTW I have no intentions of swamping the list, of course - I just have another item I might offer up) thanks for your indulgence dave Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ysearch=mortgage_text_links_88_h27f6disc=yvers=743s=4056p=5117 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trades vs ads
Hi Dave, I believe the rule reads more like, Ads should be limited to one per WEEK (not month) and marked 'Ad' in the subject box. No mention of trades. I suspect if people are providing a link to photos of meteorites they have for trade, that would be desirable to most list members - even if they aren't interested in trading, because they can see a photo of specific meteorites. I would think all would go smoothly if it weren't every day and as long as they were: 1) sanely worded, 2) not constantly repeated, 3) didn't fail to include a URL link 4) and didn't have all the other characteristics of the ads placed by he who must not be named, everyone would be cool with it. The fact is, I do not believe trades are addressed at all in the rules - of course, there IS an assumption of basic levels of functioning and social skills. Best wishes, Michael PS: It doesn't really matter what I or other list members think - as this is not in the rules Art, historically, has been very reluctant to throw around rule changes or additions. However, I, personally, believe the above are good guidelines to follow to avoid problems with the attack squad on the list, at least if no one has an ax to grind with you. on 3/3/07 1:44 PM, Dave Harris at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Bit of advice needed - we all know the 1 ad per month rule set by Art - does the same rule apply to trading/swapping? I ask this because, as some of you know I am undergoing an amicable divorce and I am keeping my minerals an meteorites. However, I am not in a position to sell for cash for technical reasons but I can swap - I was just wondering what the team felt about swaps ( BTW I have no intentions of swamping the list, of course - I just have another item I might offer up) thanks for your indulgence dave Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List rules re ads
Hi Howard, I went to Meteorite Central to copy the rule about ads, believing you were mistaken. Apparently, Art ran that rule only for a limited amount of time and the rules you listed are verbatim with no additional guidelines, whatsoever. So, technically, anyone can run all the ads they want. As dean said, most complainers are the ones that are consistently placing ads (which I do not mind - but do hate the, you ran one less than a week ago banter)...(I still don't understand how some people find the delete key so abhorrent). So, no one can really stand on a rule regarding frequency of ads. I would add, however, that over advertising, boring advertising, flooding the list with ads, etc, will lead to most people on the list ignoring ALL your ads. In addition, there is a clear implication that in the list rules that ALL offers should be a sale ad for list members, not just a strait ad. This does NOT include greatly raising your price for a few days, then taking it back to what it was (or even higher) as at least one person has done. One would think common sense would dominate, but the fact is that common sense is not all that common. Ads should be clever, and/or provide outstanding photo links and/or offer a real bargain and /or offer a very rare fall, and/or etc. But technically, every one is free to make asses of themselves, and some are remarkably gifted in this area. Best wishes, Michael on 3/3/07 2:29 PM, Howard Steffic at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Read the list policy.. There is no one ad per week rule. This is an urban legend. General List Policies: Posts need to relate -in some way- to meteorites Be courteous and professional at all times Do not post -private messages- or -personal attacks- to the list Please include the 'subject' of the post in the subject box Send emails in text format, not -HTML- Do not send emails with -file attachments- to the list - include a file link Make sure you can back up statements with -facts and references- Do not post -major advertisement- emails to the list - include a 'sale' link If you are posting a URL for a sale, include 'SALE' in the subject box Howard Steffic From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] trades vs ads Date: Sat, 3 Mar 2007 21:44:12 + (GMT Standard Time) Hi, Bit of advice needed - we all know the 1 ad per month rule set by Art - does the same rule apply to trading/swapping? I ask this because, as some of you know I am undergoing an amicable divorce and I am keeping my minerals an meteorites. However, I am not in a position to sell for cash for technical reasons but I can swap - I was just wondering what the team felt about swaps ( BTW I have no intentions of swamping the list, of course - I just have another item I might offer up) thanks for your indulgence dave Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Mortgage rates as low as 4.625% - Refinance $150,000 loan for $579 a month. Intro*Terms https://www2.nextag.com/goto.jsp?product=10035url=%2fst.jsptm=ysearch=m ortgage_text_links_88_h27f6disc=yvers=743s=4056p=5117 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- You can complain because roses have thorns, or you can rejoice because thorns have roses. - Ziggy - in a comic strip by Tom Wilson -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] batch emails
Hi List; The reason that posts seem to come thru in batchs from time to time is that I need to manually approve all emails that the list server holds for various reasons. 99% of the time this is because the emails contain some sort of rich text or html. As I don't constantly check the held emails when I do there is usually a batch of them to approve. If you make sure your emails don't contain any html then they will post automatically but it seems recently that the number of held emails is increasing dramatically so I think that many of the new webmail clients insert html even when plain text is selected (I'm investigating this). Regards, Art The Meteorite mailing List __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Hello All, ...past midnight here in Switzerland and I just met with a lot of people at the observatory that is a few blocks from my flat here in Bern. We all enjoyed and still enjoy a total eclipse of the Moon. The sky is clear and the temperatures are very mild for this time of the year. A WOW could be heard from the crowd when a light shooting star crossed the red moon. WOW indeed! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] batch emails
Good evening Art, Thanks for the update. Also, while it isn't said often enough, your efforts in keeping this great list operating smoothly are GREATLY appreciated. Thank you! Best Regards, Paul Martyn In a message dated 3/3/2007 6:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you make sure your emails don't contain any html then they will post automatically but it seems recently that the number of held emails is increasing dramatically so I think that many of the new webmail clients insert html even when plain text is selected (I'm investigating this). Regards, Art The Meteorite mailing List BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Hi List, The total lunar eclipse is in full swing and I just caught a glimpse of the totally eclipsed Moon through an opening in the clouds. The central area of the Moon's disk is a bright orange and the rim is a yellow-orange hue. Looks like a relatively bright eclipse, i.e. the atmosphere is relatively free of volcanic dust, etc. I've seen eclipses when the Moon was so dark you could hardly recognize it. Peter just wrote and this is astonishing: a light shooting star crossed the red moon Astonishing because I've seen that too (slightly west of the Moon's disk from where I live here in Germany) and thought it was my imagination ... moonstruck :-) Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Hi Peter, Bernd, and Listees, That's fascinating: please count me in - I've seen that shooting star too, also slightly West of the Red Moon! Tripple WOW :-) Enjoy the eclipse, whereever you are! All the best from Southern Germany, Norbert PS: Of course, any lunar eclipse can be best enjoyed with a piece of the Moon in your hands ,-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Hi List, The total lunar eclipse is in full swing and I just caught a glimpse of the totally eclipsed Moon through an opening in the clouds. The central area of the Moon's disk is a bright orange and the rim is a yellow-orange hue. Looks like a relatively bright eclipse, i.e. the atmosphere is relatively free of volcanic dust, etc. I've seen eclipses when the Moon was so dark you could hardly recognize it. Peter just wrote and this is astonishing: a light shooting star crossed the red moon Astonishing because I've seen that too (slightly west of the Moon's disk from where I live here in Germany) and thought it was my imagination ... moonstruck :-) Cheers, Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Met Central posting problems
I'm having the same experience as Dean. A few posts that I've made don't show up on the list for three of four days - some of them never show up. This gets to be a real problem when trying to follow a thread. It's hard to keep everyone's posts in chronological order so that replies make sense. At 03:28 PM 3/2/2007, dean bessey wrote: What is weird is that I get the scattered message as people post (Like I am supposed to) but every 3 or 4 days I get a bunch of a dozen or more messages all at once that were posted over the previous few days but not posted. There dont seem to be any pattern to the ones I get right away and the ones that are a part of the bunch. Sincerely DEAN www.meteoriteshop.com --- Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alright, now that's irritating. Test messages go through, but real posts don't. Will try again with my third attempt of a bolide report post from last night: - - - - Originally sent: 3/1/2007 10:20pm PST Resent: 3/2/2007 1:50pm PST Sending now: 3/2/2007 2:14pm PST Hi All, Was out getting the mail and was treated to a nice fireball descending and moving right-to-left, starting in Cassiopeia in the northwest. The particulars in case someone else in the southern California area saw it: Date: 3/1/2007 Time: 8:25 pm PST Location: Irvine, CA (33.631N, 117.817W) Starting azimuth: 320 +/- 5 Starting elevation: 22 +/- 2 deg Ending azimuth: 295 +/- 5 Ending elevation: 12 deg +/- 1 deg Duration: 3-4 seconds Speed: on the slow side Brightness: -7 to -8 Color: orange Comments: no fragmentation, but a thick meteor track about a quarter-degree wide in the cross-track direction. No sonic booms heard any time in the following 4 minutes. I'm about 90% sure I heard electrophonic hissing coincident with the visible display. I can't be 100% sure, but it may have been the hissing that prompted me to turn and see the meteor. I was standing near a tree, a metal light poll, and the somewhat large metal box containing all the mailboxes for my end of the street. --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Hi Peter, list , - I can absolutely confirm this, only with the slight difference that the shooting star passed by closely to the moon - a shift of perspective, probably caused by the difference between Switzerland and Germany ;-) The moon: tremendous. Reminded me of Bert Brecht's and Kurt Weill's ,Dreigroschenoper' (Three Penny Opera): POLLY: Oh, last night I had a dream. I was looking out the window and I heard laughter in the street, and when I POLLY. Ach, gestern hatte ich einen Traum. Da sah ich aus dem Fenster and hörte ein Gelächter in der Gasse, und window and I heard laughter in the street, and when Ilooked out I saw our moon and the moon was all thin like a worn-down penny. aus dem Fenster and hörte ein Gelächter in der Gasse, und wie ich hinaus sah, sah ich unseren Mond, und der Mond war ganz dünn, wie ein Penny, der schon abgegriffen ist. war ganz dünn, wie ein Penny, der schon abgegriffen ist. POLLY: Oh, last night I had a dream. I was looking out the window and I heard laughter in the street, and when I looked out I saw our moon and the moon was all thin like a worn-down penny. Good night, good morning, g'day - Matthias Bärmann (Laupheim/Germany) looked out I saw our moon and the moon was all thin like a worn-down penny. aus dem Fenster and hörte ein Gelächter in der Gasse, und wie ich hinaus sah, sah ich unseren Mond, und der Mond war ganz dünn, wie ein Penny, der schon abgegriffen ist. POLLY: Oh, last night I had a dream. I was looking out the window and I heard laughter in the street, and when I looked out I saw our moon and the moon was all thin like a worn-down penny. - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse Hello All, (...) A WOW could be heard from the crowd when a light shooting star crossed the red moon. WOW indeed! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse and Shakespeare: Macbeth ;-)
Peter: a light shooting star crossed the red moon Bernd: I've seen that too - slightly west of the Moon's disk Norbert: I've seen that shooting star too, also slightly West of the Red Moon! Triple WOW :-) Total Lunar Eclipse and Shakespeare: Macbeth ;-) Good night, ... off to bed. Bernd Thunder and lightning. Enter three WITCHES. First Witch: When shall we three meet again? In thunder, lightning, or in rain? Second Witch : When the hurlyburly's done, When the battle's lost and won. Third Witch: That will be ere the set of sun. First Witch: Where the place? Second Witch: Upon the heath. Third Witch: There to meet with Macbeth. First Witch: I come, Graymalkin! Second Witch: Paddock calls. Third Witch: Anon. ALL: Fair is foul, and foul is fair: Hover through the fog and filthy air. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Total Lunar Eclipse
Sorry about the text-confusion; correction: - Original Message - From: Matthias Bärmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse Hi Peter, list , - I can absolutely confirm this, only with the slight difference that the shooting star passed by closely to the moon - a shift of perspective, probably caused by the difference between Switzerland and Germany ;-) The moon: tremendous. Reminded me of Bert Brecht's and Kurt Weill's ,Dreigroschenoper' (Three Penny Opera): POLLY. Ach, gestern hatte ich einen Traum. Da sah ich aus dem Fenster and hörte ein Gelächter in der Gasse, und wie ich hinaus sah, sah ich unseren Mond, und der Mond war ganz dünn, wie ein Penny, der schon abgegriffen ist. POLLY: Oh, last night I had a dream. I was looking out the window and I heard laughter in the street, and when I looked out I saw our moon and the moon was all thin like a worn-down penny. Good night, good morning, g'day - Matthias Bärmann (Laupheim/Germany) - Original Message - From: Peter Marmet [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteoritenliste Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 04, 2007 12:24 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse Hello All, (...) A WOW could be heard from the crowd when a light shooting star crossed the red moon. WOW indeed! Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Dear List; Lunar eclipse in Wyoming was interesting but nothing to leave the house about. I spent an hour sitting on a 7,000 foot elevation hill in town, waiting, waiting, waiting. A red moon with a mysterious clouded upper right-hand corner came up about dusk. Moon rose, and was full. Yawn. I have pictures. Dave F. Wrong place to see eclipse. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] batch emails
In a message dated 3/3/2007 4:27:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good evening Art, Thanks for the update. Also, while it isn't said often enough, your efforts in keeping this great list operating smoothly are GREATLY appreciated. Thank you! Best Regards, Paul Martyn -- I second the motion! Art is a very under-appreciated person. The Meteorite World simply wouldn't be the same without his efforts. I am sorry you didn't make it to Tucson this year. Anne M. Black _www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc) -- In a message dated 3/3/2007 6:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you make sure your emails don't contain any html then they will post automatically but it seems recently that the number of held emails is increasing dramatically so I think that many of the new webmail clients insert html even when plain text is selected (I'm investigating this). Regards, Art The Meteorite mailing List ** BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Total Lunar Eclipse
Sorry about the german text, but its too late. More tomorrow Guten Morgen :) Auch von mir noch schnell ein quick and dirty Foto von der Mondfinsternis gerade eben. Das Wetter hat prima mitgespielt, pünktlich zum Anfang hat es aufgeklart. Während der Totalität sogar richtig gutes Seeing und windstill. Der große Wettergott hatte ein Einsehen mit mir ;) http://www.sternhimmel-ueber-ulm.de/scratch/MoFi2007.jpg Das Bild ist NICHT bearbeitet, nur verkleinert. Den Rest muß ich Morgen in aller Ruhe machen. Die Aufnahme entstand kurz vor dem Finsternismaximum um 0:18 Uhr. Belichtungszeit 2s bei 400ASA mit einer Canon 20Da und einem 10 f/5.1 Birkmaier Newton. Sooo, und jetzt gehts in die Haia *gääähhhn*. Bin auch total durchgefrohren. Thomas __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] batch emails
Another thanks, Art. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] batch emails In a message dated 3/3/2007 4:27:05 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Good evening Art, Thanks for the update. Also, while it isn't said often enough, your efforts in keeping this great list operating smoothly are GREATLY appreciated. Thank you! Best Regards, Paul Martyn -- I second the motion! Art is a very under-appreciated person. The Meteorite World simply wouldn't be the same without his efforts. I am sorry you didn't make it to Tucson this year. Anne M. Black _www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc) -- In a message dated 3/3/2007 6:08:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you make sure your emails don't contain any html then they will post automatically but it seems recently that the number of held emails is increasing dramatically so I think that many of the new webmail clients insert html even when plain text is selected (I'm investigating this). Regards, Art The Meteorite mailing List ** BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day Calendar Updated
Dear list members, I've updated the RSPOD Calendar with tomorrow's picture of the day added! http://www.spacerocksinc.com/RSPOD.html Sincerely, Michael Johnson SPACEROCKSINC.COM http://www.spacerocksinc.com SIKHOTE-ALIN.ORG http://www.sikhote-alin.org BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Nice tektites on eBay Auction
Hi list, Now i begin offering tektites weighted from 100 grams to 300 grams on ebay auction since the Chinese Spring Festival is approaching the end. All with nice size and high quality. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcommonQ5fmurre Also, you can visit it from Gary's website, http://www.meteorite-dealers.com/ebaymalan.html Thank you, Gary. Hope you guys like them and support me:-) Thanks for your looking and Best wishes to all! Miss Ma Lan Beijng, China Ma Lan 113 South Building No.5 Yongan Street Xuanwu District Beijing, China 100050 Have a burning question? Go to www.Answers.yahoo.com and get answers from real people who know. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Updated List of Thin-Sections
Hello all Thin-Sections Collectors on the List, (and if you are not a thin-section collector, you just don't know what you are missing). I have finally updated my list of thin-sections and there are many new ones. Be careful to go all the way to the bottom of the page where you will find the Special Edition thin-sections. Those are rare classification and/or have special features. And all of those (and many of the others) were made by the American Expert of Thin-Section Making. Enjoy. _http://www.impactika.com/thin_sections.htm_ (http://www.impactika.com/thin_sections.htm) And I do have some pictures of the Special Edition Thin-Sections. Any questions, just ask, and I'll try to answer. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] OT The Lunar Eclipse on Sat. night
(Second attempt) Hello again, Ginger asked me to forward this to the List It was visible in Colorado too. At least from part of Colorado. GREAT pictures too. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc --- In a message dated 3/3/2007 8:48:19 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thought some of you might enjoy the pics of the eclipse tonight. We knew the eclipse would almost be over by the time the Moon rose but it still made a really nice sight as it rose over the snow covered fields up here in Divide. There's no place where you can feel the movement of the Earth so much as when you stand on the top of a mountain with the Sun setting behind you and the Moon rising in front of you. Of course, this wasn't just any Moon rising but an eclipsed Moon. There was more of a bite than I thought there would be when I caught the first sight of it at 5:59. It didn't last long which was probably good since it was 13F degrees! Image details below the images. Moonrise, already eclipsed. http://gallery.gmayfield.com/scenic/eclipse3307c One minute later. http://gallery.gmayfield.com/scenic/eclipse3307a Four minutes later, just a little left. http://gallery.gmayfield.com/scenic/eclipse3307b Ginger BRBRBR**BR AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Wonderful pieces for sale
Hello List, sorry for posting a second ad in the same week (that will be the last for a moment). I added many pieces on my homepage. Please accept popup for the ad (www.meteor-center.com). Best regards, Pierre-Marie PELE ___ Découvrez une nouvelle façon d'obtenir des réponses à toutes vos questions ! Profitez des connaissances, des opinions et des expériences des internautes sur Yahoo! Questions/Réponses http://fr.answers.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
