Re: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions, any idea?
Thanks all for your kind answers! Bye Francesco Moser http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/ IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc - Original Message - From: Moser Francesco [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ZZ ML Meteorite-List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 12:51 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Magnetic rock with free metal inclusions, any idea? Hi ALL, some months ago I found a strange green-white rock, it's about 55x35x20mm for about 60g. It attracts the magnet like a LL6 meteorite, Bensour or Benguerir. Some days ago I cut this rock and inside I found some oval white inclusions and a lot of magnetic metallic clast. Here you can find some pictures: http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/outside.jpg http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/slice.jpg http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/metal.jpg Any idea is welcome :-) !! Regards Francesco Moser http://web.tiscali.it/francesco.moser/ IMCA #1510 www.imca.cc __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 8, 2007
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[meteorite-list] Shooting Stars
I believe this one hits home to us meteoriteophiles;Thanks for the post!Herman Archer IMCA# 2770.Have a calm and enjoyable easter sunday. Shooting Stars When stars get loosened in their sockets, they shoot off through the night like rockets. But though I stay and watch their trip and search where they have seemed to slip, I never yet have found a CHIP to carry in my pockets. -Aileen Fisher (1906-2002), ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Easter gift to the list. SAH 99555 Angrite Xpol Micrographs from Tom
Hi List, I have a bunch of Easter colors for you to check out. Jeff Hodges has provided me some more unbelievable thin sections to image and, of course, I had to start with the Angrite. It is a beautiful polished thin of SAH 99555. I have picked two sets of six, the first taken at 160X and the second at 400X, both in cross polarized transmitted (pass through) light. The Angrite are to glassy to get good reflected light images but I'll keep at it. I'll send this set in an email to whoever emails me and asks. I do this because I don't want to just start sending image files to people who are not interested. It will be embedded in the email through AOL so no need to worry about attached file downloads (Those always make me nervous if I don't know who sent them). If you look at them and like them, please post to the list. I am trying to raise awareness of my micrograph Gallery http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/ and some positive comments might encourage others to take a look. Thanks, Tom Phillips ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] To the dreamers
When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer When I heard the learn'd astronomer, When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me, When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them, When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick, Till rising and gliding out I wandered off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Looked up in perfect silence at the stars. Walt Whitman (1819 - 1892) Just a little something to ponder for all of us who racked our brains whether in the formal halls of academia, or in our on self imposed intellectual pursuits, meteorically or otherwise. Happy Easter to all you care! Mal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 'Buy it Now' for only $2K
Did you see this?: UNFOUND METEORITE LOCATION IN NORTHERN MAINE +/- 1MILE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130098263381 My favorite part: This is a VERY, VERY remote area... rugged terain, very hard walking, crossing streams and will take an experienced outdoors man in excellent shape to search the areaIt would be an excellent idea to bring your family and friends (Grandma and the Kids will just love it) Also: I am ... simply stating the location where I KNOW it hit.(+/- 1 sq. mile) I have looked in the area for about 1 month, until it was covered with snow, and planned on returning this spring... (Now that CONVINCES me that he really does 'KNOW where it hit'! ) What a great deal - All this adventure while trespassing too! Perhaps this is the start of a new sales niche. Best, Ken #9632 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Easter gift to the list. SAH 99555 Angrite Xpol Micrographs from Tom
Thanks, Tom, for your beautiful, and awe-inspiring glimpse into the hidden, wondrous world of microscopic imaging! Images like these just further enhance the appeal of our hobby and what beauty our hobby has to offer, both macroscopically to our naked eye ( which we are much more familiar with in general), as well as in the normally unseen microscopical world rarely seen let alone in such splendor, and beauty! Keep up the wonderful work for all our sakes! Mal At 10:58 AM 4/8/2007 -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi List, I have a bunch of Easter colors for you to check out. Jeff Hodges has provided me some more unbelievable thin sections to image and, of course, I had to start with the Angrite. It is a beautiful polished thin of SAH 99555. I have picked two sets of six, the first taken at 160X and the second at 400X, both in cross polarized transmitted (pass through) light. The Angrite are to glassy to get good reflected light images but I'll keep at it. I'll send this set in an email to whoever emails me and asks. I do this because I don't want to just start sending image files to people who are not interested. It will be embedded in the email through AOL so no need to worry about attached file downloads (Those always make me nervous if I don't know who sent them). If you look at them and like them, please post to the list. I am trying to raise awareness of my micrograph Gallery http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/ and some positive comments might encourage others to take a look. Thanks, Tom Phillips ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Easter gift to the list. SAH 99555 Angrite XpolMicrographs from Tom
Tom, you have so perfected this technique to provide us with a window where question leads to question ad infinitum. The metal blebs in NWA 3159 @ 1600x are exquisite in their detail. The colors are a patchwork of unmatched beauty in their irrisitable ssuductiveness. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Easter gift to the list. SAH 99555 Angrite XpolMicrographs from Tom Hi List, I have a bunch of Easter colors for you to check out. Jeff Hodges has provided me some more unbelievable thin sections to image and, of course, I had to start with the Angrite. It is a beautiful polished thin of SAH 99555. I have picked two sets of six, the first taken at 160X and the second at 400X, both in cross polarized transmitted (pass through) light. The Angrite are to glassy to get good reflected light images but I'll keep at it. I'll send this set in an email to whoever emails me and asks. I do this because I don't want to just start sending image files to people who are not interested. It will be embedded in the email through AOL so no need to worry about attached file downloads (Those always make me nervous if I don't know who sent them). If you look at them and like them, please post to the list. I am trying to raise awareness of my micrograph Gallery http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/ and some positive comments might encourage others to take a look. Thanks, Tom Phillips ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 8, 2007
Too cute! Thanks for bringing back the lighter side of meteorite hunting/collecting. Anita -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 6:45 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - April 8, 2007 http://www.spacerocksinc.com/April_8_2007.html ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] fall patterns
So what I am now trying to logicate is fall patterns.In particular the relationship of smaller chunks vs larger ones. Perhaps you can assist me in my thinking. Say a breakup occurs and the debris is rushing in thru the atmosphere. The heavier ones would fly straighter and faster right? (further). Or would gravity make them fall faster hence sooner? If a 1 lb (say 500g) specimen was found on a hillside,I guess I am trying to figure where to look for the smaller ones that probably fell with it. Further up the hill or down? or both?And how far would I need to look? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Getting through
List, Has anyone else had trouble getting through to Steve Schoner. I've sent a couple of emails expressing an interest in his thin sections and the requests have gone unanswered. Steve?? Best! --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 'Buy it Now' for only $2K
In a message dated 4/8/2007 8:21:41 A.M. Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did you see this?: UNFOUND METEORITE LOCATION IN NORTHERN MAINE +/- 1MILE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130098263381 My favorite part: This is a VERY, VERY remote area... rugged terain, very hard walking, crossing streams and will take an experienced outdoors man in excellent shape to search the areaIt would be an excellent idea to bring your family and friends (Grandma and the Kids will just love it) Also: I am ... simply stating the location where I KNOW it hit.(+/- 1 sq. mile) I have looked in the area for about 1 month, until it was covered with snow, and planned on returning this spring... (Now that CONVINCES me that he really does 'KNOW where it hit'! ) What a great deal - All this adventure while trespassing too! Perhaps this is the start of a new sales niche. Best, Ken #9632 __ Thank you Ken, Now we all know where to go for our next vacation! Or, maybe it has been found, and this is it: _http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190101135527ssPageName=AD ME:B:EF:US:11_ (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=190101135527ssPageName=ADME:B:EF:US:11) Happy hunting, Easter eggs or meteorites! Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] fall patterns
Hello Robin If there were only gravity to worry about and no atmosphere, all you would need to know would be the masses to answer this. If all the masses of the breakup came in at the same velocity you would get a line of stones with the heaviest downfield. If you add a stagnant atmosphere to see how this scenario changes, you now need to consider the effect of atmospheric friction. Friction depends on the area exposed into the wind. If every stone were a sphere, then the heavier ones would go downfield still, along a line since the bigger the sphere the more mass:area you can fit in the spherical volume. Next, you can add wind of a constant direction - call it at a right angle for fun. This will sort the pieces (still assumed to be spheres) in the residue stream with the smaller pieces getting diverted more for the same reasons on exposed area given above. So no you get a right triangle shape strewn field with the heaviest being at the downfield vertex. No ellipse yet! Next, we change the wind direction and consider it varies in different places along the stream like the real world and notice pieces take a random walk on the way to the ground and we get a classic elliptical shape in meteoritics. This is not to be confused with a true geometric ellipse, because the upfield end will be more disperse and the downfield will come more to an arrow where the main mass falls. OK. Now we stop idealizing this whole thing as spheres and make them every shape and size imaginable, from dinner plate flat to marbles to baseballs and hens' eggs. The dinner plate may be heavier than the baseball, but die to the area exposed,if it orients flat against the wind is will fall much quicker due to the friction (like putting your hand out the car window). You can then have it cut through the air edge-on and even if it is half as heavy as the baseball it still might go further downfield. So we now have a total impossibility to generalize since the wind conditions in the atmosphere were unknown and even cross sectional area changes as they ablate and break apart high above. When all this is put together, ellipses are about all we can generally guess. And we haven't even mentioned that upon breakups, the velocities for different pieces probably become different. What we are left after all of this is that usually the heavier piece is downfield at the head of in an ellipse dispersion pattern of the finds. But there are plenty of cases in the minority where this is inverted and hands are waved regarding what caused that, with the wind usually blamed. How far would you need to look? - - How steep was the incidence angle of the original mass? - What were the wind conditions and latitude? - At what altitude did it stop falling? - At what altitude did it break up? etc... you get the idea... If you only have one piece, there is nothing you can say. You can only start guessing as to the dynamics when many pieces are already recovered and then work backwards on how this came about, instead of considering billions and billions of situations. That said - the best bet may be bigger falls further and go up to 5 miles in minor falls:-) Best luck and health - hope my opinion helped a little, Doug - Original Message - From: Robin Galyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] fall patterns So what I am now trying to logicate is fall patterns.In particular the relationship of smaller chunks vs larger ones. Perhaps you can assist me in my thinking. Say a breakup occurs and the debris is rushing in thru the atmosphere. The heavier ones would fly straighter and faster right? (further). Or would gravity make them fall faster hence sooner? If a 1 lb (say 500g) specimen was found on a hillside,I guess I am trying to figure where to look for the smaller ones that probably fell with it. Further up the hill or down? or both?And how far would I need to look? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers
Hi Mal: We (actually Nancy) uses this at every teacher workshop that we do. It really points out the importance of learning astronomy (or any other science) by doing it and not just lecturing! Larry On Sun, April 8, 2007 8:09 am, Mal Bishop wrote: When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer When I heard the learn'd astronomer, When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me, When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them, When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick, Till rising and gliding out I wandered off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Looked up in perfect silence at the stars. Walt Whitman (1819 - 1892) Just a little something to ponder for all of us who racked our brains whether in the formal halls of academia, or in our on self imposed intellectual pursuits, meteorically or otherwise. Happy Easter to all you care! Mal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Hello Serge, Dirk, Martin, List, Serge, this is exactly what I contemplated as I posted the unlikely chain of events in this thread surrounding DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) chondrites, regarding the fantasy tale about NomCom. Your account sheds some very good background! I think what would be grand is for Vernadsky to examine DASHOGUZ and for NAU to examine KUNYA-URGENCH in comparisons (if they haven't already), and to comment on any qualitative differences in shock stages. Also whoever bought the main mass of DASHOGUZ, it would be very educational to hear their first hand version as the account in the meteoritical bulletin is rather weak and seems odd to the uninitiated why the NomCom would have allowed this to be a witnessed fall if it was found several weeks later as stated. They always are pressured to make these hard calls as they can't sit on the fence. While plenty of falls are found later and certified as falls a la Millbillillie, others are not due to sometimes stricter criteria, so it would be very satisfying in this case to have a little more detail on what motivated this decision (have a newspaper or something that mention at least a little bit of thunder accompanying the fireball). Best wishes and Good Health, Doug - Original Message - From: meteor a To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g. Kim Jong-il, but in the row of dictators a Lukashenko is a choir boy in comparision. That man was mentally insane. I've some hundred grams of his Sapamurat Turkmenbashi H5 left. Small rusty fragments. But I will store them a few years, as they are still suffering from the Russian disease and underrated. Yep it has 1ton tkw, but 1ton of that 1ton is a single stone. No supply anymore.
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) sorry if you didn't pick this up in context but it is my typo should be: DASHOGUZ (H5 S3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 S2) Best, Doug - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Hello Serge, Dirk, Martin, List, Serge, this is exactly what I contemplated as I posted the unlikely chain of events in this thread surrounding DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) chondrites, regarding the fantasy tale about NomCom. Your account sheds some very good background! I think what would be grand is for Vernadsky to examine DASHOGUZ and for NAU to examine KUNYA-URGENCH in comparisons (if they haven't already), and to comment on any qualitative differences in shock stages. Also whoever bought the main mass of DASHOGUZ, it would be very educational to hear their first hand version as the account in the meteoritical bulletin is rather weak and seems odd to the uninitiated why the NomCom would have allowed this to be a witnessed fall if it was found several weeks later as stated. They always are pressured to make these hard calls as they can't sit on the fence. While plenty of falls are found later and certified as falls a la Millbillillie, others are not due to sometimes stricter criteria, so it would be very satisfying in this case to have a little more detail on what motivated this decision (have a newspaper or something that mention at least a little bit of thunder accompanying the fireball). Best wishes and Good Health, Doug - Original Message - From: meteor a To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to praise his splendour, glory and wisdom. Those were after a while even for him so boring, that he didn't attend the spectacles anymore. In the capital he started a project, that on each intersection underpasses were built, and by law the pedestrian had to use them, although there are almost no private cars in town, only for not disturbing him, when he is going by car. He bleed his people dry, destroyed the medicare, which is now worse than in Africa, he cited the people to hard labours, arbitrary imprisonments torture were the orders of each day. Thanks God he wasn't so militaristic like e.g.
Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls
You know, I have no memory of ever worrying about this possible pairing on the NomCom. It's possible it slipped through the cracks (either the committee's or my mind's). In any event, if somebody made a strong argument on chemical/petrologic/isotopic grounds that they are the same, given the circumstances, the NomCom could take up the question of whether to abolish the name Dashoguz. Somebody is going to have to make the case to us first. Similar things have happened in the past, when we abolished the names Guenie, Fuc Bin, and a few others. jeff At 03:21 PM 4/8/2007, MexicoDoug wrote: DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) sorry if you didn't pick this up in context but it is my typo should be: DASHOGUZ (H5 S3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 S2) Best, Doug - Original Message - From: MexicoDoug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Hello Serge, Dirk, Martin, List, Serge, this is exactly what I contemplated as I posted the unlikely chain of events in this thread surrounding DASHOGUZ (H5 W3) and KUNYA-URGENCH (H5 W2) chondrites, regarding the fantasy tale about NomCom. Your account sheds some very good background! I think what would be grand is for Vernadsky to examine DASHOGUZ and for NAU to examine KUNYA-URGENCH in comparisons (if they haven't already), and to comment on any qualitative differences in shock stages. Also whoever bought the main mass of DASHOGUZ, it would be very educational to hear their first hand version as the account in the meteoritical bulletin is rather weak and seems odd to the uninitiated why the NomCom would have allowed this to be a witnessed fall if it was found several weeks later as stated. They always are pressured to make these hard calls as they can't sit on the fence. While plenty of falls are found later and certified as falls a la Millbillillie, others are not due to sometimes stricter criteria, so it would be very satisfying in this case to have a little more detail on what motivated this decision (have a newspaper or something that mention at least a little bit of thunder accompanying the fireball). Best wishes and Good Health, Doug - Original Message - From: meteor a To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com ; Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, April 07, 2007 10:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi All, I want to mention that it has to be a very funny story about the second fall named Dashowuz. First real fall was at Kunya Urgench. I was there and brought a lot of material from there. After many discussions with the people that I want to buy stones like that I know that some of the mass (about 7 kg) was moved to Dashowuz. At that time I had no possibility to find the person in Dashowuz. But later we heard about another fall. About half a year later only. Somebody bought a meteorite there. Please look at the map -- distance about 50 km, please look at the analyzes of both meteorites -- SAME, please look at the images of both of them -- SIMILAR!!, please look at the description of the stones -- very active iron is oxidizing fast. TWO BOMBS (METEORITES) DO NOT FELL IN THE SAME HOLE! Only in desert we can find two (more) similar meteorites nearby. But in this case they'll be parts of a shower and will be named as one meteorite or they'll be different with big difference in Earth live. I do not understand why noncom agreed to give a separate name to a meteorite that was for sure removed from a fall place and has 100% similar studying and visual data. Really stupid. Sorry that did not said this before... All the best, Serge From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2007 13:59:05 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Turkmenistan falls Hi Doug, and you forgot to mention, that the Turkmen-people had wished, that the 1ton stone would have hammered that Nyjazov right on the head, as he was an especially idiotic example of the meanwhile rarer species, called megalomaniac dictator. Nyjazov wrote a pseudo-religious book, an incredible rubbish. That book he made to the main subject in all schools and no university diploma without the examinee being able to recite the content word by word. He let build monuments for this book, in TV-shows the people danced arounf that book (and he wasn't pleased, that most national libraries all around the world, refused to accept the copies he presented them). In the capital he let errect a golden statue of himself, motor-operated to turn around for the sun always shining in his face. He officially redefined the names of the months, one is named now after his mother. Frequently he arranged song contests, with the requirement that all lyrics had to
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible topic - magnetic rake
Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I drag it through gravels, if there is anything magnetic, it will work its way up on top of the magnet. Steve Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use google earth to find spots near my home where the color of the ground shows a round patch of a different color than the surrounding earth. and search them. and near them. Michael, when you say gravel are you refering to a gravel road? What part of the country do you live in? I live in eastern Kansas, just several miles from the Missouri border. There are plenty of gravel roads around here. Steve, what part of the country do you live in. Do you think your method of identifying hunting locations would work here in eastern Kansas? Don Murray - Food fight? Enjoy some healthy debate in the Yahoo! Answers Food Drink QA.__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Test
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible topic - magnetic rake
Michael Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I drag it through gravels, if there is anything magnetic, it will work its way up on top of the magnet. Steve Dunklee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I use google earth to find spots near my home where the color of the ground shows a round patch of a different color than the surrounding earth. and search them. and near them. Michael, when you say gravel are you refering to a gravel road? What part of the country do you live in? I live in eastern Kansas, just several miles from the Missouri border. There are plenty of gravel roads around here. Steve, what part of the country do you live in. Do you think your method of identifying hunting locations would work here in eastern Kansas? Thanks, Don Murray - Looking for earth-friendly autos? Browse Top Cars by Green Rating at Yahoo! Autos' Green Center. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/GS70350/
http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/GS70350/ there is a photo album with some shots of the cleaned rock. let me know what you think, its kinda shiny now after i cleaned it up. just looks like stainless steel now to me. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible topic - magnetic rake
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[meteorite-list] To the dreamers
When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer When I heard the learn'd astronomer, When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me, When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them, When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick, Till rising and gliding out I wandered off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Looked up in perfect silence at the stars. Walt Whitman (1819 - 1892) Just a little something to ponder for all of us who racked our brains whether in the formal halls of academia, or in our on self imposed intellectual pursuits, meteorically or otherwise. Happy Easter to all you care! Mal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New to list. My first meteorwrong or meteorite??
I posted my pictures on photobucket at the advice of one of you. Thanks for the interest guys, i know its probably a meteorwrong but its fun to hope and dream sometimes! Here is the site i made. Thanks for the tip on photobucket too! http://s179.photobucket.com/albums/w301/GS70350/ On 4/7/07, ken newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jacob, I would like to see the photos. Thanks, Ken jacob morse wrote: Hello to everyone. I have become very excited about this hobby and research field after picking up what i believe to be an iron meteorite while looking for arrowheads as a hobby. Ive looked down at the ground for all my life and have found and analyzed many unique rocks and minerals, not to mention my artifact collection. This one struck my eye as something unique. When my wife asked me what it was, i told her slag, but after looking at it closely it didnt resemble any slag id ever seen. After looking at it with a magnifying glass, i saw crystalization all along a fusion like crust with flow lines and indications of extreme temperature that were on two sides of the rock. Around it it appeared to have fractured off of another rock of the same sort once impacting the ground. I hit the rock several times with a hammer and fractured it, broke off a chunk, and looked inside. It is an amazing spectacle of shiny metal with blue and green inclusions. solid and dense. specific gravity is 6.87. Had a metal castings analyst run it through a spectrometer and he notified us that is is 6% nickel, 70% iron, and 9% chromium. He didnt have the exact numbers, as he had already shipped it back to me, but he insured it as he thought it could very well be a meteorite. If someone wants to upload pictures, email me and ill send you a few. What should I do now? -- __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers
Hi Mal, Just so you'll know.I definitely care! Happy Easter to you, too! Greg Lindh - Original Message - From: Mal Bishopmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, April 08, 2007 8:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers When I Heard the Learn'd Astronomer When I heard the learn'd astronomer, When the proofs, the figures, were ranged in columns before me, When I was shown the charts and diagrams, to add, divide, and measure them, When I sitting heard the astronomer where he lectured with much applause in the lecture-room, How soon unaccountable I became tired and sick, Till rising and gliding out I wandered off by myself, In the mystical moist night-air, and from time to time, Looked up in perfect silence at the stars. Walt Whitman (1819 - 1892) Just a little something to ponder for all of us who racked our brains whether in the formal halls of academia, or in our on self imposed intellectual pursuits, meteorically or otherwise. Happy Easter to all you care! Mal __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commailto:Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listhttp://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted Oriented meteorites
Hello, Im still trying to complete my task of owning as many different named oriented meteorites that I possibly can. So far I have atleast one of the following oriented meteorites: Gao Bensour Nuevo Mercurio SA Taza Juancheng Nwa 869 Sau 001 NWA 788 Oum Rokba Amgala Thuathe Holbrook If you have an oriented meteorite that isn't on my list and its for sale, I would probably be interested in purchasing it. Please contact me off list. Thanks Bob__ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:52:01 -0700 (MST), you wrote: Hi Mal: We (actually Nancy) uses this at every teacher workshop that we do. It really points out the importance of learning astronomy (or any other science) by doing it and not just lecturing! That kind of goes against what I always thought Whitman's point in the poem was-- that you should enjoy nature, not try to break it down and analyze it. Sort of an anti-scientific statement, not a field-work vs. lab work argument. Whitman always struck me as a bit of a weirdo. :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] nwa 1685/that glossy fusion crust
Hi list.I have never seen this list so DEAD.Does anyone have an idea why or how this pristine meteorite got it's beautiful black fusion crust?I think we will soon find out all about this beauty. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999!! www.chicagometeorites.net.Specializing in Gao Meteorites! Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Bored stiff? Loosen up... Download and play hundreds of games for free on Yahoo! Games. http://games.yahoo.com/games/front __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers
Hi Darren: I do not disagree with you on that. From an education point of view (I am trying to teach them astronomy), you want your students to understand what is going on with the sky. But at the same time, you want them to appreciate the wonders of the night sky (in this case) and with this appreciation comes understanding (I hope). In my case, with students who will not become scientists, first comes the awareness of what is up there (you can see the Moon during the day?). If they then learn something, then that is important too. At least I got them out there and appreciating/enjoying Nature and got them away from their textbooks (yeh, right) and their computers and video games. Larry On Sun, April 8, 2007 8:55 pm, Darren Garrison wrote: On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 10:52:01 -0700 (MST), you wrote: Hi Mal: We (actually Nancy) uses this at every teacher workshop that we do. It really points out the importance of learning astronomy (or any other science) by doing it and not just lecturing! That kind of goes against what I always thought Whitman's point in the poem was-- that you should enjoy nature, not try to break it down and analyze it. Sort of an anti-scientific statement, not a field-work vs. lab work argument. Whitman always struck me as a bit of a weirdo. :-) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] To the dreamers
On Sun, 8 Apr 2007 20:18:01 -0700 (MST), you wrote: In my case, with students who will not become scientists, first comes the awareness of what is up there (you can see the Moon during the day?). If I won't argue you point-by-point on this because I don't disagree with them but-- really? You have students that don't know you can see the Moon during the day? Even though seeing it requires only looking up? (Reminds me of a photo I took a couple of years ago: http://webpages.charter.net/garrison6328/temp/balloonmoon.jpg) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] fall patterns
Hi Robin, The heavier parts of a body after breakup will fly further. The lighter parts will slow down faster and not travel as fardown range. The reason for this is that the smaller parts have more aerodynamic drag per unit of mass and slow down quicker. The heaier parts have less drag per unit mass and will not slow down as quickly. In a strewn field that is carefully mapped with the location and mass of each fragment, it is east to see which direction a meteoroid approached from. A line drawn from the lightest fragment to the heaviest fragmet will show the direction of travel. This is one of the reasons that keeping good records is important. Best Regards, Pat Brown --- Robin Galyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So what I am now trying to logicate is fall patterns.In particular the relationship of smaller chunks vs larger ones. Perhaps you can assist me in my thinking. Say a breakup occurs and the debris is rushing in thru the atmosphere. The heavier ones would fly straighter and faster right? (further). Or would gravity make them fall faster hence sooner? If a 1 lb (say 500g) specimen was found on a hillside,I guess I am trying to figure where to look for the smaller ones that probably fell with it. Further up the hill or down? or both? And how far would I need to look? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: EL3 for pennies
Hello List, I hope everyone had a great Easter weekend. I have some EL3 for sale, which I have heard is going to be receiving a location name not a NWA # because they know where the location is. I have 8 kilo's for sale and the price is $0.14/gram. Yes, 14 cents a gram for an EL3 and I believe this meteorite is one of the best buys ever out of Morocco. You can't buy cheap ordinary chondrites that are unclassified for this price. This price is not reflective of the true value of this meteorite I can only do this because of an awesome deal I received. Let me know if you would like some and the minimum purchase is 1 kilo. Shipping will be extra. Take Care, Jason Rocks from Heaven www.rocksfromheaven.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] nwa 1685/that glossy fusion crust
--- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone have an idea why or how this pristine meteorite got it's beautiful black fusion crust? Hummm just a SWAG here but ...atmospheric transit at 36,000kps±, raising surface temps to an excess of 1400°C± followed by rapid quenching of the remaining surface to below 600°C? Maybe I am delving too far into fantasy. My second guess would be a meteorite gnome? Eman __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Get a grip....
Good evening list members, I do believe that this met-list is a very good one. There is a lot of good information and sharing going on and ads which would not be known if not for the list. 'Problem children' are everywhere and like some of you wrote, just delete. I recommend this list to every one I meet, along with my yahoo group of course ;-) I even send them the URL for it. Thank you Art, you ARE a great moderator! With best regards, Moni PS. Hope you all had a great Easter! _ Need a break? Find your escape route with Live Search Maps. http://maps.live.com/?icid=hmtag3 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
