[meteorite-list] 611gm slab of Santa Vitoria highly unequilibrated L3 AD

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Dear list,

we’d like to point you to an exceptional L3 meteorite currently offered on 
ebay. The massive 611gm slice of the highly unequilibrated Santa Vitoria do 
Palmar meteorite is among the largest ever cut from the only mass that was 
available to collectors.

This Brazilian beauty is composed of clouds of high definition chondrules of 
every size and pattern you may think of. The photos are not able to bring out 
the beauty of this slab, the surface is to smooth to allow the lense to focus, 
this meteorite must be seen in nature.

Santa Vitoria has a separate entry in Meteoritical Bulletin no. 91, 2007. Only 
a hand full of collectors and museums own small samples of this material that 
sold for 6 USD/gm and above. The story of its discovery is well documented and 
can be read here:

http://www.niger-meteorite-recon.de/en/Santa-Vitoria-meteorite-1.htm

It is our last slice apart from our collection piece, still below 50 Cents/gm, 
someone will take home a museum grade piece for a fraction of its catalog 
price. The meteorite will come with a CD that contains the entry in the 
bulletin as well as a number of thin slide photographies. Feel free to check 
out the ebay offer for your leisure.

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZwerffroenne


Thanks for your interest


Svend

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Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, List,

He's a dowser! Gee, I haven't seen or heard of
a dowser at work for 50 years. Most dowsing was
for water, though, to find the proper location to dig
a well. I once lived in a farmhouse property where
they had a dowser "dowse" for the best well location
before they built the house.

After the dowser picked the best spot for a well,
the well-driller set up his rig and commenced. This was
in an area where wells usually "came in" between 20
and 30 feet. At 40-odd feet, the driller pointed out that
they were virtually certain to hit water in the next ten feet,
so it would actually cost the landowner more to chose
another drill site and start over with a new well.

They let the drilling continue in the same spot, and
had the same argument with the driller every ten feet or
so, until at 87 feet, they hit water at last, at three times
the average depth for the region (and about five times
the usual drilling cost).

Now confident that they had a reliable source of
water, the owners commenced the construction of their
house at a spot about 25 feet from the well site. They
began to dig out the basement, but at a depth of only
45 INCHES, they hit a "blind spring," which continued
to flow a respectible stream of water despite all their
many efforts to shut it down.

When I lived there fifty years later, the spring in
the basement was still flowing --- out a pipe in the
concrete floor that carried the spring water down to
the roadside ditch to drain away, and we drank the
water from the 87-foot-deep "dowsed" well.

I always thought of that well as a memorial to the
"efficacy" of dowsing, but $2800 for an electronic
"dowsing machine" is an truly enterprising fraud. I
wonder if Yokum's gadget will find water? I will say
this for the expensive "dowsed" well, though: it was
really good water.


Sterling K. Webb
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- Original Message - 
From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:24 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!


On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:16:57 -0800, you wrote:

>Nut or not, I think it's inspiring that a man of that age is off his "rusty 
>dusty" looking around.
>

With a little research, I see that the guy in the article isn't just some 
old
fool who fell for the fraudulent technology-- he's the guy selling it.  So 
he
suckered some newspaper reporter into marketing his product for him.

http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/omnirange/index.dat

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/archive/index.php/t-11590.html


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Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 20:16:57 -0800, you wrote:

>Nut or not, I think it's inspiring that a man of that age is off his "rusty 
>dusty" looking around.
>

With a little research, I see that the guy in the article isn't just some old
fool who fell for the fraudulent technology-- he's the guy selling it.  So he
suckered some newspaper reporter into marketing his product for him.

http://geotech.thunting.com/cgi-bin/pages/common/index.pl?page=lrl&file=reports/omnirange/index.dat

http://www.thunting.com/geotech/forums/archive/index.php/t-11590.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

[Bill]

Nut or not, I think it's inspiring that a man of that age is off his "rusty 
dusty" looking around.

Bill



> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Fri, 03 Aug 2007 00:07:09 -0400
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!
> 
> http://www.recordcourier.com/article/20070802/NEWS/70802006
> 
> Man finds 1,800-pound meteorite
> 
> by Kurt Hildebrand, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> August 2, 2007
> 
> Print Friendly Print Email Email
> 
> A Gardnerville man said he found an 1,800-pound meteorite in Douglas
> County
> using a device that detects radio signals from minerals.
> Bob Yocum, 82, has been showing the find to folks since Friday when he
> found it
> at an undisclosed location. Yocum said he detected it with his omni-range
> master
> mineral locator.
> The owner of Prospector & TreasureHunters Headquarters in Gardnerville
> said he
> was operating his device two miles from the meteorite when he detected
> it.
> Yocum said when he located the rock, a piece about the size of a pie
> plate was
> visible above the ground.
> It is not the first, nor the largest meteorite he has detected, but it is
> one of
> the largest he’s dug up and hauled off.
> “If I’d known how big it was when I started I might have left it there,”
> he
> said. “I started digging around it and found that it was three-feet long,
> 27
> inches wide and 17 inches deep.”
> Getting the rock into his pickup required two comealongs.
> “I used a tow ribbon to pull it upright and then pulled it into the
> truck,” he
> said. “I left a groove 2 feet wide and 10 inches deep.”
> 
> Yocum said the largest meteorite he’s ever found is 10-12 tons, but that
> he
> didn’t remove it.
> 
> He said striations on the side of the rock indicate it was a meteorite.
> 
> Yocum said the device works by sending out a low frequency radio signal
> that
> matches the molecular pattern of the mineral being sought. When the
> mineral’s
> found, the devices’ antenna meet.
> 
> Yocum said he found out about the device from a prospector who lived in
> Kernville, Calif. Yocum has lived in Northern Nevada for 17 years.
> 
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[meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!

[Darren Garrison]

http://www.recordcourier.com/article/20070802/NEWS/70802006

Man finds 1,800-pound meteorite

by Kurt Hildebrand, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
August 2, 2007

Print Friendly Print Email Email

A Gardnerville man said he found an 1,800-pound meteorite in Douglas County
using a device that detects radio signals from minerals.
Bob Yocum, 82, has been showing the find to folks since Friday when he found it
at an undisclosed location. Yocum said he detected it with his omni-range master
mineral locator.
The owner of Prospector & TreasureHunters Headquarters in Gardnerville said he
was operating his device two miles from the meteorite when he detected it.
Yocum said when he located the rock, a piece about the size of a pie plate was
visible above the ground.
It is not the first, nor the largest meteorite he has detected, but it is one of
the largest he’s dug up and hauled off.
“If I’d known how big it was when I started I might have left it there,” he
said. “I started digging around it and found that it was three-feet long, 27
inches wide and 17 inches deep.”
Getting the rock into his pickup required two comealongs.
“I used a tow ribbon to pull it upright and then pulled it into the truck,” he
said. “I left a groove 2 feet wide and 10 inches deep.”

Yocum said the largest meteorite he’s ever found is 10-12 tons, but that he
didn’t remove it.

He said striations on the side of the rock indicate it was a meteorite.

Yocum said the device works by sending out a low frequency radio signal that
matches the molecular pattern of the mineral being sought. When the mineral’s
found, the devices’ antenna meet.

Yocum said he found out about the device from a prospector who lived in
Kernville, Calif. Yocum has lived in Northern Nevada for 17 years.

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[meteorite-list] Got my Drake's scale cube!

[STARSANDSCOPES]

About a week ago Drake Damerau posted the list  about some scale cubes he had 
made.  These were the test run painted  aluminum.   I bought one and they are 
fantastic (well made).  He  said he is making the next batch in anodized 
aluminum.  That will be  cool!  Keep your eye out for when those become 
available. 
 I guess he  will post the list again.

Thanks Drake!

Tom  




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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Computer Virus

[Impactika]

In a message dated 8/2/2007 11:28:00 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

The odds are great that Anne's system is NOT infected.  Most worms and  
Trojan Horses today spoof the sender email address as a means of hiding where 
it  
actually came from. 

Maintain your antvirus/antispam/antispyware  software. 

Dave  Carothers
--
 
Thank you Dave, Dirk, Piper, Matt and all, for the suggestions and moral  
support. 
 
Following advices, I downloaded (and installed) all available Norton  updates 
all over again, and ran a complete scan of every files in my  computer all 
over again. And again Norton found nothing. My computer has a clean  bill of 
health. So, apparently, the List has been invaded by a gremlin with a  rotten 
sense of humor, just as Dave and Piper thought.  
I suppose it is a good time to remember not to attach anything to emails. I  
know I certainly will not; unless you specifically ask me for something, a  
picture for instance, but then I promise you that the email and the  subject 
line will clearly refer to it. 
I sincerely hope that this will  help.
Again thank you for your patience.

Anne M.  Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
President, I.M.C.A.  Inc.
www.IMCA.cc
 



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[meteorite-list] test

[Mirko Graul]

test2


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Re: [meteorite-list] Cali #001, ~80 gram hammerstone in my hands.

[PolandMET]

I am going to be hiding out here in Colombia for a few
days, trying to avoid getting shot, so I won't be
walking the streets where the meteorite fell, but I am
still coordinating with the locals for more pieces
should any be found. Until now, nothing new, so we are
still at ~270 grams total known weight.

Michael Farmer


This starts to be a good story for a action movie. Only add some shoots from 
AK47 and LAW, some exploding cars, employ Stalone and You will get Your 
expences back Mike.


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http://www.Gao-Guenie.com  GSM +48(607)535 195
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Re: [meteorite-list] MARS

[Jerry]

Thanks John for this explanation. I finally make some sense for this 
reoccuring piece.

Jerry Flaherty
- Original Message - 
From: "Kerns, John" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MARS



It was a gross misrepresentation; but mathematically the statement was
correct.
People keep ignoring/omitting the "at 75-power" part of the text.

At 25 arcseconds (the angular size of Mars in August 2003), if you
magnify the image by a factor of 75 you achieve an effective angular
size of 0.52 degrees - which is roughly the size of the full Moon when
observed at 1x.  The statement infers that a modest power telescope must
be used.  Of course, the 75x image of Mars will not look the same as
viewing the Moon with your eye.  It now becomes a matter of perspective.
A simple example of this is that the full Moon appears much larger when
it is on the horizon (just rising) than when it is overhead 6 hours
later.  The actual size of the moon does not change.  This has been
debated for years, but if you hold a dime at arms length and compare it
to the size of the Moon at both times you will observe that the Moon
maintains the same relative size.  Your mind interprets the size as
"larger" because of the existence of foreground objects.  This is the
famous "Moon Effect".

John Kerns

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:48 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MARS

This silly bit of out-of-date news is fated to return, year after year.
The Internet refuses to let the story die. Mars was quite close in 2003.

This year it will be at opposition in December, and will not be very
impressive at less than 16 arcseconds diameter.

BTW, when the naked-eye Mars looks as large as the Moon, we're in deep
trouble!

Chris

*
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Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message -
From: "WILLIAM GARRETT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] MARS



*Subject: **Fw: Mars - Once In A Lifetime*













   *Mars* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
**
  *

*
**The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! **

This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter
that
will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in
recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is
in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
60,000 years before it happens again.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of - 2.9
and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide At a modest
75-power magnification


**Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye** .
**Mars will be easy to spot. At the
beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.**
**and reach its azimuth at about 3 A.M.

By the end of August when the two planets are
closest , Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m . That's pretty
convenient to see something that no human being has
seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
the beginning of August to see Mars grow
progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
month.
Share this with your children and grandchildren. **

**NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN ***


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Re: [meteorite-list] MARS

[Kerns, John]

It was a gross misrepresentation; but mathematically the statement was
correct.
People keep ignoring/omitting the "at 75-power" part of the text.

At 25 arcseconds (the angular size of Mars in August 2003), if you
magnify the image by a factor of 75 you achieve an effective angular
size of 0.52 degrees - which is roughly the size of the full Moon when
observed at 1x.  The statement infers that a modest power telescope must
be used.  Of course, the 75x image of Mars will not look the same as
viewing the Moon with your eye.  It now becomes a matter of perspective.
A simple example of this is that the full Moon appears much larger when
it is on the horizon (just rising) than when it is overhead 6 hours
later.  The actual size of the moon does not change.  This has been
debated for years, but if you hold a dime at arms length and compare it
to the size of the Moon at both times you will observe that the Moon
maintains the same relative size.  Your mind interprets the size as
"larger" because of the existence of foreground objects.  This is the
famous "Moon Effect".

John Kerns

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Chris
Peterson
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 8:48 PM
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] MARS

This silly bit of out-of-date news is fated to return, year after year. 
The Internet refuses to let the story die. Mars was quite close in 2003.

This year it will be at opposition in December, and will not be very
impressive at less than 16 arcseconds diameter.

BTW, when the naked-eye Mars looks as large as the Moon, we're in deep
trouble!

Chris

*
Chris L Peterson
Cloudbait Observatory
http://www.cloudbait.com


- Original Message -
From: "WILLIAM GARRETT" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 11:53 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] MARS


> *Subject: **Fw: Mars - Once In A Lifetime*
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>*Mars* <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>*
> **
>   *
>
> *
> **The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! **
>
> This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an encounter 
> that
> will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in
> recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is
> in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
> Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
> certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
> in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
> 60,000 years before it happens again.
>
> The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
> Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
> will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
> the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of - 2.9
> and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide At a modest
> 75-power magnification
>
> 
> **Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye** .
> **Mars will be easy to spot. At the
> beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.**
> **and reach its azimuth at about 3 A.M.
>
> By the end of August when the two planets are
> closest , Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
> highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m . That's pretty
> convenient to see something that no human being has
> seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
> the beginning of August to see Mars grow
> progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
> month.
> Share this with your children and grandchildren. **
>
> **NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN ***

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Re: [meteorite-list] this year's Perseids

[Mark Hodges]

Yes, the peak occurs on Aug. 12 here in the US.

Mark

Michael L Blood wrote:


Hi Bernd - or anyone who knows,
   Are these times worldwide, or just Germany? Living in
San Diego, CA, I am wondering if I go out  to the mountains
On August 12 and stay up until the wee hours will that be the
Best day and time for here???
   RSVP
   Thanks, Michael

on 8/2/07 3:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 


Hello All,
Weather permitting, this year's Perseids (St. Lawrence Tears) will
surely be worth watching as the maximum (August 13, 01:00 a.m. EDT
or 05:00 hrs UT) will occur around the time when the Moon will be new.
   




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Re: [meteorite-list] MARS

[Mark Hodges]

Everyone, this is an email that has been circulating on the net every 
year since about 2003 when Mars was at it's closest to earth.

Also Mars will never appear to be the same size as the full moon.

Mark

WILLIAM GARRETT wrote:


*Subject: * *Fw: Mars - Once In A Lifetime*

 
 
 

 

 






* Mars*
*
**
** **  *

*
**The Red Planet is about to be spectacular! **

This month and next, Earth is catching up with Mars in an
encounter that
will culminate in the closest approach between the two planets in
recorded history. The next time Mars may come this close is
in 2287. Due to the way Jupiter's gravity tugs on
Mars and perturbs its orbit, astronomers can only be
certain that Mars has not come this close to Earth
in the Last 5,000 years, but it may be as long as
60,000 years before it happens again.

The encounter will culminate on August 27th when
Mars comes to within 34,649,589 miles of Earth and
will be (next to the moon) the brightest object in
the night sky. It will attain a magnitude of - 2.9
and will appear 25.11 arc seconds wide At a modest
75-power magnification


** Mars will look as large as the full moon to the naked eye** .
** Mars will be easy to spot. At the
beginning of August it will rise in the east at 10p.m.**
** and reach its azimuth at about 3 A.M.

By the _end of August when the two planets are
closest_ , Mars will rise at nightfall and reach its
highest point in the sky at 12:30a.m . That's pretty
convenient to see something that no human being has
seen in recorded history. So, mark your calendar at
the beginning of August to see Mars grow
progressively brighter and brighter throughout the
month.
_Share this with your children and grandchildren. _**

**NO ONE ALIVE TODAY WILL EVER SEE THIS AGAIN ** *

 



 

 

 

 




 




 

 
 





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[meteorite-list] AD: Independence Mo - Reminder

[RYAN PAWELSKI]

Just a reminder to everyone on the list:

Independence, MO fragment auction closes on eBay in approx. 4.50 hrs

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270150316250&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=017

..have a look, its a rare gem! Thanks for looking. 

Ryan

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>Subject: Fw: AD: Independence Mo $25-G Opening Bid
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>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270150316250&ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT&ih=017
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>>Sent: Jul 30, 2007 10:23 PM
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>>Subject: AD: Independence Mo $25-G Opening Bid
>>
>>Good evening everyone..
>> 
>>Short and sweet: Independence, MO Micro (fusion crusted).. rare as hens teeth.
>>
>>3 Days + Paypal only.  Have a look if you wish.. and good luck bidding!!
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[meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - August 2, 2007

[SPACEROCKSINC]

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/August_2_2007.html  




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[meteorite-list] Next Departure for Mars Stands Ready to Fly (Phoenix)

[Ron Baalke]

http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2007-084

Next Departure for Mars Stands Ready to Fly
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
August 02, 2007

CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. -- A NASA robotic explorer equipped to dig up and
analyze icy soil on Mars sits atop a 13-story tall stack of rocket
engines prepared for liftoff before sunup on Saturday.

A Delta II launch vehicle will carry the Phoenix Mars Lander into Earth
orbit and, about 90 minutes later, give it the push needed to send it to
Mars. A three-week period when planetary positions are favorable for
this launch begins with an opportunity at 2:26:34 a.m. PDT (5:26:34 a.m.
EDT) on Aug. 4. A second opportunity the same day, if needed, will come
at 3:02:59 a.m. PDT (6:02:59 a.m. EDT).

"We have worked for four years to get to this point, so we are all very
excited," said Barry Goldstein, Phoenix project manager at NASA's Jet
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena. "Our attention after launch will be
focused on flying the spacecraft to our selected landing site, preparing
for surface operations, and continuing our relentless examination and
testing for the all-important descent and landing on May 25 of next year."

Phoenix will travel 679 million kilometers (422 million miles) in an
outward arc from Earth to Mars. It will determine whether icy soil on
far northern Mars has conditions that have ever been suitable for life.

Studies of potential landing sites by spacecraft orbiting Mars led NASA
to approve a site at 68.35 degrees north latitude -- the equivalent of
northern Alaska -- and 233.0 degrees east longitude.

"Phoenix investigates the recent Odyssey discovery of near-surface ice
in the northern plains on Mars," said Phoenix Principal Investigator
Peter Smith of the University of Arizona, Tucson. "Our instruments are
specially designed to find evidence for periodic melting of the ice and
to assess whether this large region represents a habitable environment
for Martian microbes."

The Phoenix mission was proposed in 2002 by an international team led by
Smith. Twenty-four other teams also submitted proposals to be the first
Mars Scout mission. NASA chose Phoenix in 2003. Phoenix uses a lander
structure built for the 2001 Mars Surveyor mission, which was scaled
down before launch to an orbiter-only mission.

"The spacecraft system and software development matured early in the
program. This enabled us to thoroughly test a stable lander design over
the entire integration and test schedule period," said Ed Sedivy,
spacecraft program manager for Lockheed Martin Space Systems.

The Phoenix mission is led by Smith, with project management at the JPL
and development partnership at Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver.
The NASA Launch Services Program at Kennedy Space Center and the United
Launch Alliance are responsible for the Delta II launch service.
International contributions are provided by the Canadian Space Agency;
the University of Neuchatel, Switzerland; the University of Copenhagen,
Denmark; the Max Planck Institute, Germany; and the Finnish
Meteorological Institute. JPL is a division of the California Institute
of Technology in Pasadena.

Additional information on Phoenix is available online at:
http://www.nasa.gov/phoenix and http://phoenix.lpl.arizona.edu .
Additional information on NASA's Mars program is available online at:
http://www.nasa.gov/mars .



Media contacts: Dwayne Brown/Tabatha Thompson 202-358-1726/3895
NASA Headquarters, Washington
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

George Diller 321-867-2468
Kennedy Space Center, Fla.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sara Hammond 520-419-8071
University of Arizona, Tucson
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Guy Webster/D.C. Agle 818-354-6278/393-9011
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2007-084

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[meteorite-list] Cassini Finds Possible Origin of One of Saturn's Rings

[Ron Baalke]

Aug. 2, 2007

Tabatha Thompson
Headquarters, Washington 
202-358-3895
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Carolina Martinez
Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif.
818-354-9382
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RELEASE: 07-168

CASSINI FINDS POSSIBLE ORIGIN OF ONE OF SATURN'S RINGS

WASHINGTON - Cassini scientists may have identified the source of one 
of Saturn's more mysterious rings. Saturn's G ring likely is produced 
by relatively large, icy particles that reside within a bright arc on 
the ring's inner edge.

The particles are confined within the arc by gravitational effects 
from Saturn's moon Mimas. Micrometeoroids collide with the particles, 
releasing smaller, dust-sized particles that brighten the arc. The 
plasma in the giant planet's magnetic field sweeps through this arc 
continually, dragging out the fine particles, which create the G 
ring.

The finding is evidence of the complex interaction between Saturn's 
moons, rings and magnetosphere. Studying this interaction is one of 
Cassini's objectives. The study is in the Aug. 2 issue of the journal 
Science and was based on observations made by multiple Cassini 
instruments in 2004 and 2005. 

"Distant pictures from the cameras tell us where the arc is and how it 
moves, while plasma and dust measurements taken near the G ring tell 
us how much material is there," said Matthew Hedman, a Cassini 
imaging team associate at Cornell University in Ithaca, N.Y., and 
lead author on the Science paper. 

Saturn's rings are an enormous, complex structure, and their origin is 
a mystery. The rings are labeled in the order they were discovered. 
>From the planet outward, they are D, C, B, A, F, G and E. The main 
rings -- A, B and C-from edge-to-edge, would fit neatly in the 
distance between Earth and the moon. The most transparent rings are D 
-- interior to C -- and F, E and G, outside the main rings. 

Unlike Saturn's other dusty rings, such as the E and F rings, the G 
ring is not associated closely with moons that either could supply 
material directly to it -- as Enceladus does for the E ring -- or 
sculpt and perturb its ring particles -- as Prometheus and Pandora do 
for the F ring. The location of the G ring continued to defy 
explanation, until now.

Cassini images show that the bright arc within the G ring extends 
one-sixth of the way around Saturn and is about 155 miles wide, much 
narrower than the full 3,700-mile width of the G ring. The arc has 
been observed several times since Cassini's 2004 arrival at the 
ringed planet and thus appears to be a long-lived feature. A 
gravitational disturbance caused by the moon Mimas exists near the 
arc.

As part of their study, Hedman and colleagues conducted computer 
simulations that showed the gravitational disturbance of Mimas could 
indeed produce such a structure in Saturn's G ring. The only other 
places in the solar system where such disturbances are known to exist 
are in the ring arcs of Neptune.

Cassini's magnetospheric imaging instrument detected depletions in 
charged particles near the arc in 2005. According to the scientists, 
unseen mass in the arc must be absorbing the particles. "The small 
dust grains that the Cassini camera sees are not enough to absorb 
energetic electrons," said Elias Roussos of the Max-Planck-Institute 
for Solar System Research, Germany, and member of the magnetospheric 
imaging team. "This tells us that a lot more mass is distributed 
within the arc."

The researchers concluded that there is a population of larger, 
as-yet-unseen bodies hiding in the arc, ranging in size from that of 
peas to small boulders. The total mass of all these bodies is 
equivalent to that of a 328-foot-wide, ice-rich small moon.

Joe Burns, a co-author of the paper from Cornell University and a 
member of the imaging team, said, "We'll have a super opportunity to 
spot the G ring's source bodies when Cassini flies about 600 miles 
from the arc 18 months from now."

The Cassini-Huygens mission is a cooperative project of NASA, the 
European Space Agency and the Italian Space Agency. The Jet 
Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., manages the Cassini-Huygens 
mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The 
Cassini orbiter and its two onboard cameras were designed, developed 
and assembled at the laboratory. The imaging team is based at the 
Space Science Institute, Boulder, Colo. The magnetospheric imaging 
instrument team is based at Johns Hopkins University, Laurel, Md.

G ring movies and images are available on the Internet at:

http://www.nasa.gov/cassini


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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay auctions ending today

[Mike Jensen]

Hi list
I have several auctions ending tonight. Most still at 95 cents.
http://collectibles.search.ebay.com/_Meteorites-Tektites_W0QQcatrefZC12QQsacatZ3239QQsassZmeteorfinder



-- 
Mike
--
Mike Jensen
Jensen Meteorites
16730 E Ada PL
Aurora, CO 80017-3137
303-337-4361
IMCA 4264
website: www.jensenmeteorites.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cali #001, ~80 gram hammerstone in my hands.

[Darren Garrison]

On Thu, 2 Aug 2007 11:08:16 -0700 (PDT), you wrote:

>I am going to be hiding out here in Colombia for a few
>days, trying to avoid getting shot, so I won't be
>walking the streets where the meteorite fell, but I am
>still coordinating with the locals for more pieces
>should any be found. Until now, nothing new, so we are
>still at ~270 grams total known weight.
>

Good story, and I'm amazed how you were able to type that with the meteorite in
your hands!
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[meteorite-list] Cali #001, ~80 gram hammerstone in my hands.

[Michael Farmer]

Greeting from Colombia. 

As you all know, I reported that I lost the Cali #001
meteorite to someone from Spain. It turns out that was
not true. I was lied to by the homeowner, who was
scared and tired of the publicity. To my relief and
anger at the same time, she called me on Tuesday and
said that she still had the stone, and wanted to sell
to me. We came to a price, and I am dead serious, it
is enough to buy a new car in the USA! She wanted me
to wire the money and then she would FedEx the stone,
I told her that she was nuts! I flew down to Colombia
yesterday and just minutes ago, in a secure location,
I bought the stone, and the two pieces of rooftop that
go with it. I am ecstatic to have in my and Robert
Ward's hands, all four of the Cali house-crashing
meteorites!
I must return home and sort out the issue of the
stone, but most of it is spoken for already. I want
the largest pieces to remain with the rooftop. One is
metallic and one if the ceramic tile. I do possibly
foresee about 3 or 4 grams of this stone being
available, but it is not guaranteed. 
Someone who wants to offer an insane amount of money
can by all means email me, but with the price I paid
and a last minute first class ticket to Colombia (all
that was available until next week) and a secure 5
star hotel, and related expenses, I have a small
fortune into this small stone. 
The homeowner and her family are now much richer, and
are going to start a business with the money. I am
happy for them, but amazed at how she extorted me:)
Very smart woman.

I am going to be hiding out here in Colombia for a few
days, trying to avoid getting shot, so I won't be
walking the streets where the meteorite fell, but I am
still coordinating with the locals for more pieces
should any be found. Until now, nothing new, so we are
still at ~270 grams total known weight.

Michael Farmer
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Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Computer Virus

[Dave]

The odds are great that Anne's system is NOT infected.  Most worms and Trojan 
Horses today spoof the sender email address as a means of hiding where it 
actually came from. 

Maintain your antvirus/antispam/antispyware software. 

Dave Carothers

>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Date: 2007/08/02 Thu PM 12:05:57 CDT
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Computer Virus

>In a message dated 8/2/2007 5:55:14 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>Hi Anne,
>Is it possible that your  computer is infected with a
>virus?  I just received this message with  two strange
>files attached, one labled porno and an other.
>
>I  did not open the files and wont unless you verify
>that they are from  you.
>
>Best Regards,  Dirk
>
>--- Impactika  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:
>
>-
>Ok.  Please, read   the document.
>> __
>
>Thank you, all of you, for letting me know that I may have a computer  
>problem.
>I ran a full Norton check overnight and it found nothing, I am now calling  a 
>friend for help and advice. In the mean time please do not open any files  
>attached to any email supposedly coming from me. I have not sent any files to  
>any one.
> 
>I am very sorry for the problem and do assure you that I would not be the  
>one to send porno files, it just is not my style.
> 
>And it is not meteorite related!
>Thank you for your patience.
>
>Anne M. Black
>www.IMPACTIKA.com
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>President,  I.M.C.A. Inc.
>www.IMCA.cc
> 
>
>
>
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[meteorite-list] Possible Computer Virus

[Impactika]

In a message dated 8/2/2007 5:55:14 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi Anne,
Is it possible that your  computer is infected with a
virus?  I just received this message with  two strange
files attached, one labled porno and an other.

I  did not open the files and wont unless you verify
that they are from  you.

Best Regards,  Dirk

--- Impactika  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  wrote:

-
Ok.  Please, read   the document.
> __

Thank you, all of you, for letting me know that I may have a computer  
problem.
I ran a full Norton check overnight and it found nothing, I am now calling  a 
friend for help and advice. In the mean time please do not open any files  
attached to any email supposedly coming from me. I have not sent any files to  
any one.
 
I am very sorry for the problem and do assure you that I would not be the  
one to send porno files, it just is not my style.
 
And it is not meteorite related!
Thank you for your patience.

Anne M. Black
www.IMPACTIKA.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
President,  I.M.C.A. Inc.
www.IMCA.cc
 



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Re: [meteorite-list] Tektite looking objects correction

[Adam Hupe]

Dear List,

I would like to make a correction to a statement  I
made yesterday in regards to the Tektite looking
objects. Dr. Irving of the University of Washington
corrected me on one of my statements.  These objects
do plot on the TFL line with CAIs but are so far along
the line as to be off of the charts and have to be
extrapolated. As I stated yesterday, I was going from
memory since my notes and images were lost when I
replaced my computer some time back.

On another note, I was accused of not taking these
objects seriously. We have done everything we can in
regards to having these studied. The University of
Washington, Northern Arizona University and Carnegie
were all involved with looking at these. Even Dr.
Brownlee, the lead scientist on the Stardust mission
had a peek at these curious objects.  I lost interest
about the time zinc was found but other scientists are
looking into isotope fractionation, something
completely outside my limited knowledge of the
subject.

Best Regards,

Adam

  
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[meteorite-list] 2007 Brenham Meteorite Coin Debuts at the ANA Show Next Week

[MARK BOSTICK]

Hello Everyone,

The 2007 Brenham Pallasite Coin is moving right along the production line.  
While I do not yet know the face value, or the country that is backing it, I 
do have now a draft of what the coin will look like on the face side...


http://www.coinandstampman.com/coinphotos/22780BrenhamPallasiteMeteorite_r.jpg

This silver legal tender coin will make it debut at the ANA World’s Fair of 
Money in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, August 8-12, 2007.


I am still taking pre-orders (they will cost ~$60 each I think) and I would 
like to hear thoughts on what you think the 4th coin should be.  The first 
was a stone (NWA 267), the second and iron (Nantan) and this one the third a 
pallasite.


Thanks for your continued interest in the coins, and your patience with the 
production.



Clear Skies,
Mark Bostick
Wichita, Kansas


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

[Mal Bishop]

I thoroughly agree with Alex.  A big THANK YOU to Art and Michael
for starting something that will most likely endure for as long as things
drop from the skies above.  Also, a big, kind thank you to Paul, Jim --
for that matter, to everyone, past and present, who have made this
list as memorable (and dare I say, addicting) as it is.  Even with all of 
its ups and downs,
and myriad of personalities and characters, it is one of the better 
examples of both
education and entertainment converging into one entity.  May I call it, 
"edutainment"?  ;-)


Best to all, and thanks for the ride thus far -
Mal


At 05:48 PM 8/2/2007 +0200, Alexander Seidel wrote:

Thank you Michael, thank you Art - for a good idea,
for a lot of patience with people, for... THE LIST!

>From one of the oldtimers (..ever here since 1997/1998),
Alex
Berlin/Germany


 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:28:01 -0700
Von: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: bcmeteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Woolard 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Meteorite List 


Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

> Hi Bob,
> Here is A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LIST:
> --
> Art, who was then the purchasing agent for the store at the
> Planetarium, across from the Natural History Museum in Balboa
> Park had been offering meteorites for sale, which for several years
> Had been purchased from me. However, Art's real passion was
> Web design and he thought it would be cool to have a weekly
> Meteorite Forum and asked me to host it. This format later became
> Known as "chat rooms" - but Art envisioned it more as a "radio
> Show" with me as the host. I was confident even before the first
> Send off that once people started "talking" a host would not be
> Relevant, but I certainly felt honored and wanted to support
> Art in this endeavor and bolster his confidence in initiating this
> Forum, so, happily agreed.
> Our first Meteorite Forum was held just days after the
> ALH 84001 announcement on August 6, 1996. As I recall, there
> Were only 5 or 6 of us on the first chat which included Paul Harris
> And Jim Tobin of Meteorite Exchange and current editors of
> METEORITE TIMES, Rick Kujawa, me and a few others who escape
> My memory for now. Please do forgive me for my feeble memory -
> and do feel free to chime in and announce your having been there.
> Of course, that first session was filled with the excitement
> of Martian life revealed in a meteorite - it wasn't until later the
> Findings came under question.
> In any event, within weeks or a few months at most Art decided a
> Live list would be a better forum and I agreed (not that I had a real
> Say in it, though he did bounce ideas off of me when it came to
> meteorites). So, that was the birth of the list. My guess would be
> October (perhaps November) of 1996 saw the launching of the list
> as it is known today. Other than increased numbers of participants,
> the list has remained the same since day one.
> Over the years there have been periodic complaints about the
> Lack of use of suspensions and expulsions from the list on the part
> Of Art. In fact, Art has been very consistent in being slow to suspend
> Participants and slow in allowing them back on. Various list members
> Have been barred and most have eventually been allowed to return.
> I won't go into names as some of them are still on the list. However,
> Even this limited control has been sabotaged by Matteo who, when
> Ejected, created false identities and blatantly taunted list members
> and Art about his clever manipulations of the internet and thumbed
> His nose at everyone.
> The point is, Art has done a spectacular job in monitoring the
> List and has ejected a good number of people -  mostly when their
> Language became obscene and they were blatantly and relentlessly
> attacking other List members or ripping people off. With the exception
> of Matteo, Art's patient guidance has served the list well.
> Thanks to Art, we have this magnificent forum with which we
> Can keep abreast of meteoritic events such as the adventures of
> Mike, Bob & Robert in recovering the Cali Meteorite, etc. We get
> THE strait poop AS IT IS HAPPENING.
> We be a lucky group.
> Best wishes, Michael
>
> on 8/1/07 6:10 PM, bcmeteorites at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Hello List
> > I would also like to thank Art for everything he does to keep this list
> up
> > and running!!  I have only been reading the list for a few months and
> find
> > the information provided by the list members outstanding.  Everything
> from
> > following members on their trips to shows that many of us can not
> attend,
> > the tips,information, ads, etc, and following the travels of the
> meteorite
> > hunters that take the time and post their adventures as they unfold on
> the
> > list.  Thanks to everyone for their positive contributions and sharing
> of
> > information!!!
> >

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

[Jim Strope]

I remember that evening well.  Michael, you were talking about a specimen of 
Zagami that you received in the mail the same day as the ALH84001 
announcement.  Everyone was excited at your timing!!!


Good times 

Jim Strope
421 Fourth Street
Glen Dale, WV  26038

http://www.catchafallingstar.com


- Original Message - 
From: "Michael L Blood" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "bcmeteorites" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Robert Woolard" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "Meteorite List" 


Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2007 11:28 AM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"


Hi Bob,
   Here is A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LIST:
--
   Art, who was then the purchasing agent for the store at the
Planetarium, across from the Natural History Museum in Balboa
Park had been offering meteorites for sale, which for several years
Had been purchased from me. However, Art's real passion was
Web design and he thought it would be cool to have a weekly
Meteorite Forum and asked me to host it. This format later became
Known as "chat rooms" - but Art envisioned it more as a "radio
Show" with me as the host. I was confident even before the first
Send off that once people started "talking" a host would not be
Relevant, but I certainly felt honored and wanted to support
Art in this endeavor and bolster his confidence in initiating this
Forum, so, happily agreed.
   Our first Meteorite Forum was held just days after the
ALH 84001 announcement on August 6, 1996. As I recall, there
Were only 5 or 6 of us on the first chat which included Paul Harris
And Jim Tobin of Meteorite Exchange and current editors of
METEORITE TIMES, Rick Kujawa, me and a few others who escape
My memory for now. Please do forgive me for my feeble memory -
and do feel free to chime in and announce your having been there.
   Of course, that first session was filled with the excitement
of Martian life revealed in a meteorite - it wasn't until later the
Findings came under question.
   In any event, within weeks or a few months at most Art decided a
Live list would be a better forum and I agreed (not that I had a real
Say in it, though he did bounce ideas off of me when it came to
meteorites). So, that was the birth of the list. My guess would be
October (perhaps November) of 1996 saw the launching of the list
as it is known today. Other than increased numbers of participants,
the list has remained the same since day one.
   Over the years there have been periodic complaints about the
Lack of use of suspensions and expulsions from the list on the part
Of Art. In fact, Art has been very consistent in being slow to suspend
Participants and slow in allowing them back on. Various list members
Have been barred and most have eventually been allowed to return.
I won't go into names as some of them are still on the list. However,
Even this limited control has been sabotaged by Matteo who, when
Ejected, created false identities and blatantly taunted list members
and Art about his clever manipulations of the internet and thumbed
His nose at everyone.
   The point is, Art has done a spectacular job in monitoring the
List and has ejected a good number of people -  mostly when their
Language became obscene and they were blatantly and relentlessly
attacking other List members or ripping people off. With the exception
of Matteo, Art's patient guidance has served the list well.
   Thanks to Art, we have this magnificent forum with which we
Can keep abreast of meteoritic events such as the adventures of
Mike, Bob & Robert in recovering the Cali Meteorite, etc. We get
THE strait poop AS IT IS HAPPENING.
   We be a lucky group.
   Best wishes, Michael

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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space POD 7-27

[Martin Altmann]

> Got any thin section micrographs of that meteorite yet?

Not yet, but as soon as possible, we will show some here.

>Anyone recall seeing another meteorite with that texture?
I personally not yet so far.

But we will make some of this material accessible to the collector.

Best!
Stefan & Martin
Chladni's Heirs


-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Jeff
Pringle
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. August 2007 16:45
An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space POD 7-27

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_27_2007.html



That's an unusual texture, I think the geologists call it spherulitic - 
indicative of rapid cooling.

Here's an example of a similar texture in Apollo rock 60017:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/cgi-bin/DPSC_Data.pl?search=1&rock=60017&piece=&size
=&slide=&coments=

Got any thin section micrographs of that meteorite yet?

Anyone recall seeing another meteorite with that texture?

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[drtanuki]

--- drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Date: Thu, 2 Aug 2007 08:53:05 -0700 (PDT)
> From: drtanuki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual
> "age"
> To: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> Art
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> 
> Michael and Art,
>   Thank you for the long forgotten history of the
> list.  I also was one of the first (late 1996-1997)
> to
> join the list and I really want to thank Art Jones
> for
> his kindness and insight in creating this list. 
> THANK
> YOU, Art Jones!  Best Always in Life, Dirk
> Ross...Tokyo
> 
>   Happy ten years and many more to come.  drs
> 
> 
> --- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi Bob,
> > Here is A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LIST:
> > --
> > Art, who was then the purchasing agent for
> > the store at the
> > Planetarium, across from the Natural History
> Museum
> > in Balboa
> > Park had been offering meteorites for sale, which
> > for several years
> > Had been purchased from me. However, Art's real
> > passion was
> > Web design and he thought it would be cool to have
> a
> > weekly
> > Meteorite Forum and asked me to host it. This
> format
> > later became
> > Known as "chat rooms" - but Art envisioned it more
> > as a "radio
> > Show" with me as the host. I was confident even
> > before the first
> > Send off that once people started "talking" a host
> > would not be
> > Relevant, but I certainly felt honored and wanted
> to
> > support
> > Art in this endeavor and bolster his confidence in
> > initiating this
> > Forum, so, happily agreed.
> > Our first Meteorite Forum was held just
> days
> > after the
> > ALH 84001 announcement on August 6, 1996. As I
> > recall, there
> > Were only 5 or 6 of us on the first chat which
> > included Paul Harris
> > And Jim Tobin of Meteorite Exchange and current
> > editors of
> > METEORITE TIMES, Rick Kujawa, me and a few others
> > who escape
> > My memory for now. Please do forgive me for my
> > feeble memory -
> > and do feel free to chime in and announce your
> > having been there.
> > Of course, that first session was filled
> > with the excitement
> > of Martian life revealed in a meteorite - it
> wasn't
> > until later the
> > Findings came under question.
> > In any event, within weeks or a few months
> > at most Art decided a
> > Live list would be a better forum and I agreed
> (not
> > that I had a real
> > Say in it, though he did bounce ideas off of me
> when
> > it came to
> > meteorites). So, that was the birth of the list.
> My
> > guess would be
> > October (perhaps November) of 1996 saw the
> launching
> > of the list
> > as it is known today. Other than increased numbers
> > of participants,
> > the list has remained the same since day one.
> > Over the years there have been periodic
> > complaints about the
> > Lack of use of suspensions and expulsions from the
> > list on the part
> > Of Art. In fact, Art has been very consistent in
> > being slow to suspend
> > Participants and slow in allowing them back on.
> > Various list members
> > Have been barred and most have eventually been
> > allowed to return.
> > I won't go into names as some of them are still on
> > the list. However,
> > Even this limited control has been sabotaged by
> > Matteo who, when
> > Ejected, created false identities and blatantly
> > taunted list members
> > and Art about his clever manipulations of the
> > internet and thumbed
> > His nose at everyone.
> > The point is, Art has done a spectacular
> job
> > in monitoring the
> > List and has ejected a good number of people - 
> > mostly when their
> > Language became obscene and they were blatantly
> and
> > relentlessly
> > attacking other List members or ripping people
> off.
> > With the exception
> > of Matteo, Art's patient guidance has served the
> > list well.
> > Thanks to Art, we have this magnificent
> > forum with which we
> > Can keep abreast of meteoritic events such as the
> > adventures of
> > Mike, Bob & Robert in recovering the Cali
> Meteorite,
> > etc. We get
> > THE strait poop AS IT IS HAPPENING.
> > We be a lucky group.
> > Best wishes, Michael
> > 
> > on 8/1/07 6:10 PM, bcmeteorites at
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello List
> > > I would also like to thank Art for everything he
> > does to keep this list up
> > > and running!!  I have only been reading the list
> > for a few months and find
> > > the information provided by the list members
> > outstanding.  Everything from
> > > following members on their trips to shows that
> > many of us can not attend,
> > > the tips,information, ads, etc, and following
> the
> > travels of the meteorite
> > > hunters that take the time and post their
> > adventures as they unfold on the
> > > list.  Thanks to everyone for their positive
> > contributions and sharing of
> > > information!!!
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Bob Falls
> > > Col

[meteorite-list] Spherulitic texture in meteorites

[bernd . pauli]

Hello Jeff P. and List,

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_27_2007.html

Jeff wrote:

That's an unusual texture, I think the geologists call it spherulitic - 
indicative of rapid cooling. Here's an example of a similar texture
in Apollo rock 60017:
 
http://ser.sese.asu.edu/cgi-bin/DPSC_Data.pl?search=1&rock=60017&piece=&;
size=&slide=&coments=

Anyone recall seeing another meteorite with that texture?


The following meteorites are described as having similar textures:

NWA 1000, a highly shocked eucrite:

"subophitic and slightly variolitic (fan-spherulitic) texture with laths
of plagioclase (up to 4 mm long) and pyroxene (up to 5 mm)."

NWA 1240, an anomalous, unbrecciated eucrite:

"achondrite consisting of skeletal low-Ca pyroxene phenocrysts in a variolitic
(fan-spherulitic) mesostasis of pyroxenes, plagioclase,...The rock resembles
some Apollo 15 pigeonite basalts but mineral and bulk rock compositions
indicate a relationship to eucrites."


Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

[drtanuki]

Michael and Art,
  Thank you for the long forgotten history of the
list.  I also was one of the first (late 1996-1997) to
join the list and I really want to thank Art Jones for
his kindness and insight in creating this list.  THANK
YOU, Art Jones!  Best Always in Life, Dirk
Ross...Tokyo

  Happy ten years and many more to come.  drs


--- Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Bob,
> Here is A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LIST:
> --
> Art, who was then the purchasing agent for
> the store at the
> Planetarium, across from the Natural History Museum
> in Balboa
> Park had been offering meteorites for sale, which
> for several years
> Had been purchased from me. However, Art's real
> passion was
> Web design and he thought it would be cool to have a
> weekly
> Meteorite Forum and asked me to host it. This format
> later became
> Known as "chat rooms" - but Art envisioned it more
> as a "radio
> Show" with me as the host. I was confident even
> before the first
> Send off that once people started "talking" a host
> would not be
> Relevant, but I certainly felt honored and wanted to
> support
> Art in this endeavor and bolster his confidence in
> initiating this
> Forum, so, happily agreed.
> Our first Meteorite Forum was held just days
> after the
> ALH 84001 announcement on August 6, 1996. As I
> recall, there
> Were only 5 or 6 of us on the first chat which
> included Paul Harris
> And Jim Tobin of Meteorite Exchange and current
> editors of
> METEORITE TIMES, Rick Kujawa, me and a few others
> who escape
> My memory for now. Please do forgive me for my
> feeble memory -
> and do feel free to chime in and announce your
> having been there.
> Of course, that first session was filled
> with the excitement
> of Martian life revealed in a meteorite - it wasn't
> until later the
> Findings came under question.
> In any event, within weeks or a few months
> at most Art decided a
> Live list would be a better forum and I agreed (not
> that I had a real
> Say in it, though he did bounce ideas off of me when
> it came to
> meteorites). So, that was the birth of the list. My
> guess would be
> October (perhaps November) of 1996 saw the launching
> of the list
> as it is known today. Other than increased numbers
> of participants,
> the list has remained the same since day one.
> Over the years there have been periodic
> complaints about the
> Lack of use of suspensions and expulsions from the
> list on the part
> Of Art. In fact, Art has been very consistent in
> being slow to suspend
> Participants and slow in allowing them back on.
> Various list members
> Have been barred and most have eventually been
> allowed to return.
> I won't go into names as some of them are still on
> the list. However,
> Even this limited control has been sabotaged by
> Matteo who, when
> Ejected, created false identities and blatantly
> taunted list members
> and Art about his clever manipulations of the
> internet and thumbed
> His nose at everyone.
> The point is, Art has done a spectacular job
> in monitoring the
> List and has ejected a good number of people - 
> mostly when their
> Language became obscene and they were blatantly and
> relentlessly
> attacking other List members or ripping people off.
> With the exception
> of Matteo, Art's patient guidance has served the
> list well.
> Thanks to Art, we have this magnificent
> forum with which we
> Can keep abreast of meteoritic events such as the
> adventures of
> Mike, Bob & Robert in recovering the Cali Meteorite,
> etc. We get
> THE strait poop AS IT IS HAPPENING.
> We be a lucky group.
> Best wishes, Michael
> 
> on 8/1/07 6:10 PM, bcmeteorites at
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hello List
> > I would also like to thank Art for everything he
> does to keep this list up
> > and running!!  I have only been reading the list
> for a few months and find
> > the information provided by the list members
> outstanding.  Everything from
> > following members on their trips to shows that
> many of us can not attend,
> > the tips,information, ads, etc, and following the
> travels of the meteorite
> > hunters that take the time and post their
> adventures as they unfold on the
> > list.  Thanks to everyone for their positive
> contributions and sharing of
> > information!!!
> > Sincerely,
> > Bob Falls
> > Colorado
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
>
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Robert
> > Woolard
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:51 AM
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List 10th or
> 11th Anniversary-
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Art, Alex, and List,
> > 
> >   Alex just posted in part:
> > 
> > "..on this good old list [...which must have had
> it´s
> > 10th or 11th anniversary recently without any
> applause
> > or notice...]"
> > 
> >   Regardless of what the EXACT anniversary date (
> or
> > number) is, I just

Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

[Alexander Seidel]

Thank you Michael, thank you Art - for a good idea, 
for a lot of patience with people, for... THE LIST!

>From one of the oldtimers (..ever here since 1997/1998),
Alex
Berlin/Germany


 Original-Nachricht 
Datum: Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:28:01 -0700
Von: Michael L Blood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
An: bcmeteorites <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robert Woolard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
Meteorite List 
Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

> Hi Bob,
> Here is A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LIST:
> --
> Art, who was then the purchasing agent for the store at the
> Planetarium, across from the Natural History Museum in Balboa
> Park had been offering meteorites for sale, which for several years
> Had been purchased from me. However, Art's real passion was
> Web design and he thought it would be cool to have a weekly
> Meteorite Forum and asked me to host it. This format later became
> Known as "chat rooms" - but Art envisioned it more as a "radio
> Show" with me as the host. I was confident even before the first
> Send off that once people started "talking" a host would not be
> Relevant, but I certainly felt honored and wanted to support
> Art in this endeavor and bolster his confidence in initiating this
> Forum, so, happily agreed.
> Our first Meteorite Forum was held just days after the
> ALH 84001 announcement on August 6, 1996. As I recall, there
> Were only 5 or 6 of us on the first chat which included Paul Harris
> And Jim Tobin of Meteorite Exchange and current editors of
> METEORITE TIMES, Rick Kujawa, me and a few others who escape
> My memory for now. Please do forgive me for my feeble memory -
> and do feel free to chime in and announce your having been there.
> Of course, that first session was filled with the excitement
> of Martian life revealed in a meteorite - it wasn't until later the
> Findings came under question.
> In any event, within weeks or a few months at most Art decided a
> Live list would be a better forum and I agreed (not that I had a real
> Say in it, though he did bounce ideas off of me when it came to
> meteorites). So, that was the birth of the list. My guess would be
> October (perhaps November) of 1996 saw the launching of the list
> as it is known today. Other than increased numbers of participants,
> the list has remained the same since day one.
> Over the years there have been periodic complaints about the
> Lack of use of suspensions and expulsions from the list on the part
> Of Art. In fact, Art has been very consistent in being slow to suspend
> Participants and slow in allowing them back on. Various list members
> Have been barred and most have eventually been allowed to return.
> I won't go into names as some of them are still on the list. However,
> Even this limited control has been sabotaged by Matteo who, when
> Ejected, created false identities and blatantly taunted list members
> and Art about his clever manipulations of the internet and thumbed
> His nose at everyone.
> The point is, Art has done a spectacular job in monitoring the
> List and has ejected a good number of people -  mostly when their
> Language became obscene and they were blatantly and relentlessly
> attacking other List members or ripping people off. With the exception
> of Matteo, Art's patient guidance has served the list well.
> Thanks to Art, we have this magnificent forum with which we
> Can keep abreast of meteoritic events such as the adventures of
> Mike, Bob & Robert in recovering the Cali Meteorite, etc. We get
> THE strait poop AS IT IS HAPPENING.
> We be a lucky group.
> Best wishes, Michael
> 
> on 8/1/07 6:10 PM, bcmeteorites at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Hello List
> > I would also like to thank Art for everything he does to keep this list
> up
> > and running!!  I have only been reading the list for a few months and
> find
> > the information provided by the list members outstanding.  Everything
> from
> > following members on their trips to shows that many of us can not
> attend,
> > the tips,information, ads, etc, and following the travels of the
> meteorite
> > hunters that take the time and post their adventures as they unfold on
> the
> > list.  Thanks to everyone for their positive contributions and sharing
> of
> > information!!!
> > Sincerely,
> > Bob Falls
> > Colorado
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert
> > Woolard
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:51 AM
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List 10th or 11th Anniversary-
> > Thanks
> > 
> > 
> > Art, Alex, and List,
> > 
> >   Alex just posted in part:
> > 
> > "..on this good old list [...which must have had it´s
> > 10th or 11th anniversary recently without any applause
> > or notice...]"
> > 
> >   Regardless of what the EXACT anniversary date ( or
> > number) is, I just wanted to thank Alex for bringi

Re: [meteorite-list] this year's Perseids

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Bernd - or anyone who knows,
Are these times worldwide, or just Germany? Living in
San Diego, CA, I am wondering if I go out  to the mountains
On August 12 and stay up until the wee hours will that be the
Best day and time for here???
RSVP
Thanks, Michael

on 8/2/07 3:35 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hello All,
> Weather permitting, this year's Perseids (St. Lawrence Tears) will
> surely be worth watching as the maximum (August 13, 01:00 a.m. EDT
> or 05:00 hrs UT) will occur around the time when the Moon will be new.


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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List actual "age"

[Michael L Blood]

Hi Bob,
Here is A BRIEF HISTORY OF THE LIST:
--
Art, who was then the purchasing agent for the store at the
Planetarium, across from the Natural History Museum in Balboa
Park had been offering meteorites for sale, which for several years
Had been purchased from me. However, Art's real passion was
Web design and he thought it would be cool to have a weekly
Meteorite Forum and asked me to host it. This format later became
Known as "chat rooms" - but Art envisioned it more as a "radio
Show" with me as the host. I was confident even before the first
Send off that once people started "talking" a host would not be
Relevant, but I certainly felt honored and wanted to support
Art in this endeavor and bolster his confidence in initiating this
Forum, so, happily agreed.
Our first Meteorite Forum was held just days after the
ALH 84001 announcement on August 6, 1996. As I recall, there
Were only 5 or 6 of us on the first chat which included Paul Harris
And Jim Tobin of Meteorite Exchange and current editors of
METEORITE TIMES, Rick Kujawa, me and a few others who escape
My memory for now. Please do forgive me for my feeble memory -
and do feel free to chime in and announce your having been there.
Of course, that first session was filled with the excitement
of Martian life revealed in a meteorite - it wasn't until later the
Findings came under question.
In any event, within weeks or a few months at most Art decided a
Live list would be a better forum and I agreed (not that I had a real
Say in it, though he did bounce ideas off of me when it came to
meteorites). So, that was the birth of the list. My guess would be
October (perhaps November) of 1996 saw the launching of the list
as it is known today. Other than increased numbers of participants,
the list has remained the same since day one.
Over the years there have been periodic complaints about the
Lack of use of suspensions and expulsions from the list on the part
Of Art. In fact, Art has been very consistent in being slow to suspend
Participants and slow in allowing them back on. Various list members
Have been barred and most have eventually been allowed to return.
I won't go into names as some of them are still on the list. However,
Even this limited control has been sabotaged by Matteo who, when
Ejected, created false identities and blatantly taunted list members
and Art about his clever manipulations of the internet and thumbed
His nose at everyone.
The point is, Art has done a spectacular job in monitoring the
List and has ejected a good number of people -  mostly when their
Language became obscene and they were blatantly and relentlessly
attacking other List members or ripping people off. With the exception
of Matteo, Art's patient guidance has served the list well.
Thanks to Art, we have this magnificent forum with which we
Can keep abreast of meteoritic events such as the adventures of
Mike, Bob & Robert in recovering the Cali Meteorite, etc. We get
THE strait poop AS IT IS HAPPENING.
We be a lucky group.
Best wishes, Michael

on 8/1/07 6:10 PM, bcmeteorites at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Hello List
> I would also like to thank Art for everything he does to keep this list up
> and running!!  I have only been reading the list for a few months and find
> the information provided by the list members outstanding.  Everything from
> following members on their trips to shows that many of us can not attend,
> the tips,information, ads, etc, and following the travels of the meteorite
> hunters that take the time and post their adventures as they unfold on the
> list.  Thanks to everyone for their positive contributions and sharing of
> information!!!
> Sincerely,
> Bob Falls
> Colorado
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Robert
> Woolard
> Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2007 9:51 AM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite List 10th or 11th Anniversary-
> Thanks
> 
> 
> Art, Alex, and List,
> 
>   Alex just posted in part:
> 
> "..on this good old list [...which must have had it´s
> 10th or 11th anniversary recently without any applause
> or notice...]"
> 
>   Regardless of what the EXACT anniversary date ( or
> number) is, I just wanted to thank Alex for bringing
> this fact to our attention, and Art for making the
> List available to us for all this time. Though there
> have been some "ups and downs" along the way, the
> "ups" WAY out number the "downs" in my opinion. The
> List is something I enjoy visiting almost every single
> day, and it has provided many, many interesting and
> invaluable bits of info, etc. to us all.
> 
>   I'm sure the overwhelming vast majority of the
> members share my feelings. I wanted to be sure and let
> you know, Art, just how much we appreciate you and
> your work.
> 
>   Very sincerely,
>   Robert Woolard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space POD 7-27

[Jeff Pringle]

http://www.spacerocksinc.com/July_27_2007.html



That's an unusual texture, I think the geologists call it spherulitic - 
indicative of rapid cooling.


Here's an example of a similar texture in Apollo rock 60017:

http://ser.sese.asu.edu/cgi-bin/DPSC_Data.pl?search=1&rock=60017&piece=&size=&slide=&coments=

Got any thin section micrographs of that meteorite yet?

Anyone recall seeing another meteorite with that texture?

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[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - July 2007

[Jeff Kuyken]

www.meteorites.com.au/favourite.html

Cheers,

Jeff Kuyken
Meteorites Australia
www.meteorites.com.au


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[meteorite-list] Troilite in meteorites ... and in comets?

[bernd . pauli]

Hello List,

Troilite (FeS) in meteorites, both in irons and in stones, is something
we've long grown used to. But FeS in comets? Yes, that's right. If
interested in reading about that, go to p. 17 of the September 2007
issue of Sky & Telescope (should by now be in your mailbox if you
have a subscription). An Italian team led by Marco Fulle (National
Institute for Astrophysics, Italy) concludes that a faint arc detected
in McNaught's tail is most likely iron atoms coming from fluffy bits
of troilite (FeS).

And, interestingly, this is not the first time that troilite has been found in
a comet. Grains of this mineral have also been found in the samples returned
by "Stardust" from the coma of Comet Wild 2!

Troilitically
Yours,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Latin quotes

[Peter Marmet]

Cool page! Thanks for the link, Paul.

My two favorites:

- De nihilo nihil - Nothing comes from nothing. (Lucretius)

- De gustibus non est disputandum - There's no accounting for taste

Peter

MARMET-METEORITES
Peter Marmet
Bern, Switzerland, IMCA #2747
http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/



Am 02.08.2007 um 14:20 schrieb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:


Omnia fore explanatum at http://www.yuni.com/library/latin.html



From: "Jerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] starchasermeteorites

HUH?
Jerry Flaherty





Cavet Emptor





Quo usque tandem abutere patientia nostra?



etc.

Paul Swartz

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[meteorite-list] Latin quotes

[valparint]

Omnia fore explanatum at http://www.yuni.com/library/latin.html

>From: "Jerry" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] starchasermeteorites
>
>HUH?
>Jerry Flaherty

>>Cavet Emptor
>
>>Quo usque tandem abutere patientia nostra?

etc.

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[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions ending

[Jim Strope]

Good Morning All

I have auctions ending tonight, ebay ID catchafallingstar.com.  ALL started
just at 99  Cents!!!

http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZcatchafallingstar.com

Of special note is a .090 gram specimen of NWA 482 with fusion crust:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200127507627

Thanks for looking 

Jim Strope
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Glen Dale, WV  26038

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Re: [meteorite-list] MARS

[Rob McCafferty]

> 
> 
> **Mars will look as large as the full moon to the
> naked eye** .


Someone needs to work on their geometry.


   

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[meteorite-list] A double Heads-up for this year's Perseids

[bernd . pauli]

Hello All,

Weather permitting, this year's Perseids (St. Lawrence Tears) will
surely be worth watching as the maximum (August 13, 01:00 a.m. EDT
or 05:00 hrs UT) will occur around the time when the Moon will be new.

Watch out for these celestial messengers, and, maybe our late, astute
defender of the lunar theory of tektites, Darryl Futrell, who passed
away on Monay, August 13, 2001, will send us his heavenly greetings,
on one of them.

Best wishes,

Bernd

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Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?

[Martin Altmann]

And Norbert Classen's site is very fine:
http://www.meteoris.de/

Click here on the weights in the column "NCC in g"
and a photo of a slice of that respective number will open:
http://www.meteoris.de/luna/list.html

Martin

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Pete
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 2. August 2007 07:33
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Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?

Hi, Matt,

This is the best Lunar site I've ever come across:

http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm
http://www.meteorites.wustl.edu/more_info_lunar.htm

It goes on and on, and frequently updated.

Cheers,
Pete


From: Matt Morgan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Meteorite List 
Subject: [meteorite-list] lunar meteorite gallery?
Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 21:28:38 -0600

Hi List:
I am looking for a gallery of lunar meteorite slices. Are there any good 
one's out there?  A Google search only turns up a few "ok" ones.
Thanks,
Matt Morgan
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