Re: [meteorite-list] AL HAGGOUNIA 001 (NOT AUBRITE)
Jason, I never called it a type three if you read my emails although I am confident with the designation scientists with decades of experience assigned it. I am certainly no expert on the degree of metamorphism determing petrologic types in chondrites so I will present some notes collected from various resources in regards to this meteorite. Not only is the object in earlier posted image an obvious chondrule, it is a very well-formed, sharp-edged radial pyroxene chondrule (with a clear annular rim) containing glass (now largely dissolved out), and this and others like it are the basis for the Type 3 designation, along with the fact that the matrix is not at all recrystallized but instead primitive. Finally it is not the low abundance of chondrules that is important, but their form and glass content and the matrix texture as confirmed by several chondrite experts. As far is it being an Aubrite, there is the lack of a distinctive type of microstructure (polysynthetic twinning) in the enstatite grains in the Al Haggounia material, but which to my knowledge is present in all aubrites (because of their high temperature igneous history). Here is a link to the meteorites.tv site that has the clear definition of an Aubrite: http://www.meteorites.tv/index.html?lang=en-ustarget=d281.html Finaly, the so-called f-clasts found in some real Aubrites are from brecciating impactors but this is not what we're talking about here. The chondrules found in Al Haggounia 001 are clealy native to the matrix and not from an impactor so this argument holds no water. It is very obvious to me that Al Haggounia 001 is an EL Chondrite and with all E-Chondrites, there is a close kinship to Aubrites. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 1, 2007
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Re: [meteorite-list] AL HAGGOUNIA 001 (NOT AUBRITE)
Hola Adam, All, I never called it a type three if you read my emails although I am confident with the designation scientists with decades of experience assigned it. Interestingly put. Well, I did read your emails, as well as those posted by your brother, and, to be frank, although you don't state that it's a type three, you do appear to support Greg's claims without fully coming out and saying it. You say as much with this statement: I am confident with the designation scientists with decades of experience assigned it. You're clearly stating that you believe a certain designation assigned to the stone, out of the several so far put forth by scientists. Which designation, might I ask, since you just clearly implied that you do not support the theory that it is, in fact, an EL3, is the one in which you believe? ...Since you don't believe it to be an Aubrite (due to a lack of polysynthetic twinning, as you say), the choices remaining are, I believe, EL6/7 or EL3. And yet, based on your next statement (that big block of text just below this, led by a ), I would assume that you support the EL3 classification. This is contradictory to what you just said up top. I admit that I might just be reading too deeply into this and you might, in fact, not agree with the EL3 classification (but are still trying to justify it for a reason that I cannot fathom, as you did imply that you believe something different), but you don't, anywhere, support the EL6/7 classification. You lost me with your above statement...would you care to expand upon it? Not only is the object in earlier posted image an obvious chondrule, it is a very well-formed, sharp-edged radial pyroxene chondrule (with a clear annular rim) containing glass (now largely dissolved out), and this and others like it are the basis for the Type 3 designation, along with the fact that the matrix is not at all recrystallized but instead primitive. Right. There are a few primitive chondrules - I never denied this fact, just as you never stated that it's a type three chondrite. I've seen the pictures as well as everyone else who cares. In fact, I've affirmed the existence of chondrules at every point, so I see really no need to further this. The degree of metamorphosis of individual chondrules is, in my opinion, generally irrelevant. If one has to cut kilos of material to find nice unequilibrated chondrules, well, again, I could do the same with Gao, but that wouldn't make it an H3. Finally it is not the low abundance of chondrules that is important, but their form and glass content and the matrix texture as confirmed by several chondrite experts. Says who? I've never seen a type three chondrite lacking in chondrules like this before, have you? Well, I'll answer 'no' for you and move on. To be perfectly frank, I believe that the ordinary EL3 class assigned to the meteorite is wrong. It is clearly not an ordinary EL3, though it may contain sparse unequilibrated chondrules. Technically it may be a type three of some sort, and it may be an EL-something, but one can't say it's both an EL and a type three, because together those two characteristics combine to create a very different-looking type of meteorite, at least with regards to previously known EL3's. As far is it being an Aubrite, there is the lack of a distinctive type of microstructure (polysynthetic twinning) in the enstatite grains in the Al Haggounia material, but which to my knowledge is present in all aubrites (because of their high temperature igneous history). True, and well put, but this wouldn't rule out its being a primitive enstatite achondrite. It would point towards the stone not being a full-blown metamorphically altered Aubrite, but, the distinct lack of chondrules throughout most of the stones also, in classical terms,would rule out its being a type three. Thus, as I previously stated, it technically fits into neither class. Finaly, the so-called f-clasts found in some real Aubrites are from brecciating impactors but this is not what we're talking about here. The chondrules found in Al Haggounia 001 are clealy native to the matrix and not from an impactor so this argument holds no water. Well, let's assume that it was a primitive enstatite achondrite parent body impacted by an EL3... - I highly doubt this theory myself, but who are you or I to say that they're not foreign objects? You stated your own lack of expertise in your message, and I acknowledge my own here as well. It is very obvious to me that Al Haggounia 001 is an EL Chondrite and with all E-Chondrites, there is a close kinship to Aubrites. Well, it has chondrules, but, again, I would not, by any means, settle to calling it an EL3 - or an Aubrite. Structurally, it is neither. Anomalous, anyone? Regards, Jason On Dec 1, 2007 12:07 AM, Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jason, I never called it a type three if you read my emails although I am confident with the designation scientists with decades of
Re: [meteorite-list] last chance to see comet holmes?
Relatively in the same general area of the sky, very diffuse, but still visible in binoculars, Comet Holmes fades into astronomical history after causing quite a stir and leaving us with a mystery. Jerry Flaherty Hi Jerry, In fact it is still visible with the naked eye, even from downtown Leiden (100 000 inhabitants). The day before yesterday I could still see it naked eye, not as clearly as early November but still clearer than M31. It is almost 50 arcminutes wide now, so going towards a degree. Some of my pictures here: http://sattrackcam.blogspot.com/search/label/17P%2FHolmes I think it will still be around for a while. Around Christmas it will be around 1deg 16' wide if the current trend of expansion continues. How bright it will be by that time, I dare not say. - Dr Marco Langbroek Dutch Meteor Society (DMS) e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] DMS website: http://www.dmsweb.org private website: http://home.wanadoo.nl/marco.langbroek - __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help with another 168 languages
Dear List, As I posted earlier, there are 67 languages with meteorite entries currently. This is the first time in history that such a list has been compiled and will be useful to researchers, field researchers, linguists, writers, meteorite hunters and collectors, and those searching for more information in foreign literature about meteorites. I have added a list of 168 languages near the bottom of the page that no terms have been found. If anyone wishes to take their time and help search I would appreciate it. Our meteorite community has people worlwide so I am sure that some of you can check on things easily. It is a good opportunity to learn some new words yourself, new languages and learn how to search documents, the Internet and Libraries. Winters are cold and more time to sit around a warm fire and learn. http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx If you are willing to help please contact me and I will answer any questions. Thank you for your time and help. I will credit all submissions once they are confirmed. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo www.InsekiJapan.com www.MeteoritesJapan.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help withanother 168 languages
Okay, you've got 67. But you're only looking for another 168? Come on, there are six or seven thousand languages currently spoken. How serious are you? g Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Joel Schiff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help withanother 168 languages Dear List, As I posted earlier, there are 67 languages with meteorite entries currently. This is the first time in history that such a list has been compiled and will be useful to researchers, field researchers, linguists, writers, meteorite hunters and collectors, and those searching for more information in foreign literature about meteorites. I have added a list of 168 languages near the bottom of the page that no terms have been found. If anyone wishes to take their time and help search I would appreciate it. Our meteorite community has people worlwide so I am sure that some of you can check on things easily. It is a good opportunity to learn some new words yourself, new languages and learn how to search documents, the Internet and Libraries. Winters are cold and more time to sit around a warm fire and learn. http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx If you are willing to help please contact me and I will answer any questions. Thank you for your time and help. I will credit all submissions once they are confirmed. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking helpwithanother 168 languages
Chris, I would suggest, you are the one who will write the list with the six or seven thousand languages. ;) Andi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris Peterson Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007 17:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking helpwithanother 168 languages Okay, you've got 67. But you're only looking for another 168? Come on, there are six or seven thousand languages currently spoken. How serious are you? g Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Joel Schiff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help withanother 168 languages Dear List, As I posted earlier, there are 67 languages with meteorite entries currently. This is the first time in history that such a list has been compiled and will be useful to researchers, field researchers, linguists, writers, meteorite hunters and collectors, and those searching for more information in foreign literature about meteorites. I have added a list of 168 languages near the bottom of the page that no terms have been found. If anyone wishes to take their time and help search I would appreciate it. Our meteorite community has people worlwide so I am sure that some of you can check on things easily. It is a good opportunity to learn some new words yourself, new languages and learn how to search documents, the Internet and Libraries. Winters are cold and more time to sit around a warm fire and learn. http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx If you are willing to help please contact me and I will answer any questions. Thank you for your time and help. I will credit all submissions once they are confirmed. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking helpwithanother 168 languages
Andi and Chris, A mountain cannot be climbed in a single step...it takes a single step at a time. Yes, I know that there are thousands of languages (wikipedia is working on 168 languages currently for their on-line wikinary). I will do what I personally can and IF others are willing to contribute, the task will be easier. With your education, Chris, I would have expected a meteorite word instead of criticism; perhaps I mis-read your enthusiasm? or are you indeed going to contribute to the 6,000+? Thanks Andi! Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo --- Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris, I would suggest, you are the one who will write the list with the six or seven thousand languages. ;) Andi -UrsprEgliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris Peterson Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007 17:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking helpwithanother 168 languages Okay, you've got 67. But you're only looking for another 168? Come on, there are six or seven thousand languages currently spoken. How serious are you? g Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Joel Schiff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help withanother 168 languages Dear List, As I posted earlier, there are 67 languages with meteorite entries currently. This is the first time in history that such a list has been compiled and will be useful to researchers, field researchers, linguists, writers, meteorite hunters and collectors, and those searching for more information in foreign literature about meteorites. I have added a list of 168 languages near the bottom of the page that no terms have been found. If anyone wishes to take their time and help search I would appreciate it. Our meteorite community has people worlwide so I am sure that some of you can check on things easily. It is a good opportunity to learn some new words yourself, new languages and learn how to search documents, the Internet and Libraries. Winters are cold and more time to sit around a warm fire and learn. http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx If you are willing to help please contact me and I will answer any questions. Thank you for your time and help. I will credit all submissions once they are confirmed. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seekinghelpwithanother 168 languages
Hi, Dirk, Chris, Andi, List, Here is the list with the 6000+ languages! The premiere reference on the World's languages, covering 6912 languages, is to be found online at: http://www.ethnologue.com/ in browse-able form. It contains a linguistic description of each language but you cannot search for an individual word, like meteorite. Rather than being an academic product, it is published by SIL International, an organization that attempts to translate The Bible into every language of man. Despite their considerable linguistic efforts, the group has generated considerable controversy as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_International A non-SIL list of the languages of the world, listed by the number of native speakers (I'm writing in #3!): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_languages_by_number_of_native_speakers I started counting, got 452 languages here, but my finger got tired and I could have missed some. That list takes you down to languages with only 1,000 living speakers. I suspect that to have a name for what we call a meteorite the culture would have to encountered one, uncovered its aerial origin, and decided that it was a frequent enough occurance for it to have a unique identifier, instead of This is a stone that fell from the sky. What's it called? It's called 'the stone that fell from the sky.' We don't have enough words to waste one on something that will never happen again, son. It would also be interesting to know how many of the languages have their own self-generated term and how many languages have acquired their term as a loan-word from a major language with a greater vocabulary and more speakers. Languages in danger of dying out are being archived rapidly, as in a century half of the 6000+ languages will be extinct. Further research is left as an exercise for the student, as my teachers used to say. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Andreas Gren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Chris Peterson' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seekinghelpwithanother 168 languages Chris, I would suggest, you are the one who will write the list with the six or seven thousand languages. ;) Andi -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Chris Peterson Gesendet: Samstag, 1. Dezember 2007 17:49 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking helpwithanother 168 languages Okay, you've got 67. But you're only looking for another 168? Come on, there are six or seven thousand languages currently spoken. How serious are you? g Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: drtanuki [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Joel Schiff [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Larry Lebofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 9:36 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help withanother 168 languages Dear List, As I posted earlier, there are 67 languages with meteorite entries currently. This is the first time in history that such a list has been compiled and will be useful to researchers, field researchers, linguists, writers, meteorite hunters and collectors, and those searching for more information in foreign literature about meteorites. I have added a list of 168 languages near the bottom of the page that no terms have been found. If anyone wishes to take their time and help search I would appreciate it. Our meteorite community has people worlwide so I am sure that some of you can check on things easily. It is a good opportunity to learn some new words yourself, new languages and learn how to search documents, the Internet and Libraries. Winters are cold and more time to sit around a warm fire and learn. http://meteoritesjapan.com/metdict.aspx If you are willing to help please contact me and I will answer any questions. Thank you for your time and help. I will credit all submissions once they are confirmed. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cute photos
Yesterday I sat down and did some cutting. I have a 3 kilo meteorite that looks somewhat like what I was selling as the affectionately nicknamed BL meteorite a couple years ago. I dont have any left to compare but if anybody has some take a look at this: http://www.ilovenewfoundland.com/ebay-photos/nwa4649.html This looks like it might be a more weathered BL. The little grey spot in the upper left of the first photo is something that I have only ever seen on the BL meteorite. For a couple years there I just gave up on getting classifications done (I am still waiting on some that I submitted since 2001 so I just stopped bothering with classifications) but now that I have my own classification service and can get classifications done in around six months this one has been classified. On this webpage I also included a few other cute photos that I found while cutting yesterday that I thought somebody might like. Cheers DEAN Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos
Dean You have the same as my NWA 2826 LL5 (aka NWA 2053 and many others) This is very good material, fresh, with many interesting inclusions, visible chondrules (thats why it should be LL5 not LL6) and very very large troilites (well visible on photos at rusty spots) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] Yesterday I sat down and did some cutting. I have a 3 kilo meteorite that looks somewhat like what I was selling as the affectionately nicknamed BL meteorite a couple years ago. I dont have any left to compare but if anybody has some take a look at this: http://www.ilovenewfoundland.com/ebay-photos/nwa4649.html This looks like it might be a more weathered BL. The little grey spot in the upper left of the first photo is something that I have only ever seen on the BL meteorite. For a couple years there I just gave up on getting classifications done (I am still waiting on some that I submitted since 2001 so I just stopped bothering with classifications) but now that I have my own classification service and can get classifications done in around six months this one has been classified. On this webpage I also included a few other cute photos that I found while cutting yesterday that I thought somebody might like. Cheers DEAN Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ NOD32 2686 (20071126) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos
--- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean You have the same as my NWA 2826 LL5 (aka NWA 2053 and many others) This is very good material, fresh, with many interesting inclusions, visible chondrules (thats why it should be LL5 not LL6) and very very large troilites (well visible on photos at rusty spots) I think that you have just pointed out a problem in general with classifying meteorites. The piece that I sent in for classification wasnt nearly as nice as the larger cut in my photo. I didnt realize that it was so nice until yesterday when I started cutting it up. If I had used a different sample I would probably have gotten the different classification. Sincerely DEAN Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos
--- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean You have the same as my NWA 2826 LL5 (aka NWA 2053 and many others) This is very good material, fresh, with many interesting inclusions, visible chondrules (thats why it should be LL5 not LL6) and very very large troilites (well visible on photos at rusty spots) I think that you have just pointed out a problem in general with classifying meteorites. The piece that I sent in for classification wasnt nearly as nice as the larger cut in my photo. I didnt realize that it was so nice until yesterday when I started cutting it up. If I had used a different sample I would probably have gotten the different classification. Sincerely DEAN Yes ofcourse, thats only problem of the type specimen. I wanted to let everyone know to which family this sample belongs. LL6, LL5, not big difference, but more accurate in that case is LL5. Im alvays astonished how specimens of single find can show on the Morocco market for every several months/years. First was I think Mike's NWA2053 on 2003, then mine NWA2826 on 2004, then I remember Andi's oriented specimen around 2005-2006, and now this one at end of 2007. Also I think I have seen one small sample at Munich show. Thats never ending storry :) -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)meteorite.pl http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM +48(607)535 195 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos
Dean, It's too bad that we missed another chance to find out about those fine-grained inclusions that are so prominent in the original BL, NWA 1658. I see they aren't mentioned in the classifications of NWA 2826 or 2053 either. This week I will be sending several samples to Bathurst to try your new classification service on behalf of several collectors. One of these finds contains the occasional dual lithology piece. We will be providing an excellent cut and polished sample so that the research facility will be sure to include both in their classification. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 2:04 PM To: PolandMET; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos --- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean You have the same as my NWA 2826 LL5 (aka NWA 2053 and many others) This is very good material, fresh, with many interesting inclusions, visible chondrules (thats why it should be LL5 not LL6) and very very large troilites (well visible on photos at rusty spots) I think that you have just pointed out a problem in general with classifying meteorites. The piece that I sent in for classification wasnt nearly as nice as the larger cut in my photo. I didnt realize that it was so nice until yesterday when I started cutting it up. If I had used a different sample I would probably have gotten the different classification. Sincerely DEAN Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos
--- Kashuba [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean, It's too bad that we missed another chance to find out about those fine-grained inclusions that are so prominent in the original BL, NWA 1658. I see they aren't mentioned in the classifications of NWA 2826 or 2053 either. Yeah, those things are odd. I almost feel like just getting a thin section of just one of those inclusions made and seeing what just that part would classify has. You always wish parts would be eucritic. My new big piece dont have much of them unfortunately though. Still a particularly interesting LL meteorite Cheers DEAN Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos
Dean, Is your metal veined shocked material for sale. The 22.7 gram piece? Cheers, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 4:34 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos Yesterday I sat down and did some cutting. I have a 3 kilo meteorite that looks somewhat like what I was selling as the affectionately nicknamed BL meteorite a couple years ago. I dont have any left to compare but if anybody has some take a look at this: http://www.ilovenewfoundland.com/ebay-photos/nwa4649.html This looks like it might be a more weathered BL. The little grey spot in the upper left of the first photo is something that I have only ever seen on the BL meteorite. For a couple years there I just gave up on getting classifications done (I am still waiting on some that I submitted since 2001 so I just stopped bothering with classifications) but now that I have my own classification service and can get classifications done in around six months this one has been classified. On this webpage I also included a few other cute photos that I found while cutting yesterday that I thought somebody might like. Cheers DEAN Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus someother cutephotos
John, Are you sending more 1685 to Bathurst? I am hoping that Phil McCausland will be getting some results soon. I think he now has more time to look at this stuff. I was very impressed when I saw the centre piece in Meteorite magazine. Beautiful and inspiring. Cheers, Mike Tettenborn - Original Message - From: Kashuba [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'dean bessey' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 8:04 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus someother cutephotos Dean, It's too bad that we missed another chance to find out about those fine-grained inclusions that are so prominent in the original BL, NWA 1658. I see they aren't mentioned in the classifications of NWA 2826 or 2053 either. This week I will be sending several samples to Bathurst to try your new classification service on behalf of several collectors. One of these finds contains the occasional dual lithology piece. We will be providing an excellent cut and polished sample so that the research facility will be sure to include both in their classification. Regards, - John John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dean bessey Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 2:04 PM To: PolandMET; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Possible New BL Meteorite - Plus some other cutephotos --- PolandMET [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dean You have the same as my NWA 2826 LL5 (aka NWA 2053 and many others) This is very good material, fresh, with many interesting inclusions, visible chondrules (thats why it should be LL5 not LL6) and very very large troilites (well visible on photos at rusty spots) I think that you have just pointed out a problem in general with classifying meteorites. The piece that I sent in for classification wasnt nearly as nice as the larger cut in my photo. I didnt realize that it was so nice until yesterday when I started cutting it up. If I had used a different sample I would probably have gotten the different classification. Sincerely DEAN Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I'm adding AN UNCONVENTIONAL METHOD FOR CUTTING IRON STONE METEORITES page to my web site
Several people have aksed how I cut meteorites into roughs for my sphere I created a page that explains how I cut them into slices and I plan to upload it tomorrow but i wanted some people to look at it first to give me some feedback You can see the page by clicking this: http://home.ec.rr.com/bobadebt/Rocks/Cutting Meteorites.htm If you check it out please give me some feed back. Thanks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] old mundrabilla piece
Good late evening list.For all you iron lovers,have a look on my homepage of my website.I aquired a 239 gram mundrabilla piece that is at least 20 years old in a trade.It still has all natural patina and has fusion crust on one side.Also please notice the absolute sculpted features on this.Simply the best I have ever seen.Any comments?? Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The EL3/Aubrite/whatever - Why FOSSIL?
I dont want to get involved in the thread about what the classification is (I will be pretty happy no matter what the proposed options are) but can somebody explain to me why its called a Fossil meteorite? I realize that the term fossil can be loosely used to describe pretty much any old stuff (You could even call a living person a fossil meaning a person with old fashioned stubborn views) but given that this is a scientific classification I would expect more rigid use of the term in a scientific standpoint. To become fossilized means that over a long peroid of time (Usually millions of years) actual organic material gets replaced by stone so that when you have a fossil such as a dinosaur tooth, fossil shark tooth or ammonite you actually have a rock and not a real creature. No DNA can be extracted since its only a rock. Thats why we dont even know if dinosaurs were warm or cold blooded. We are only studying a rock when we study dinosaur fossils - not a real original artifact. So called mammoth tusk fossil or 10,000 year old fossil buffalo bones are not really a fossil since you get the original item - not a fossilized version. Fossil insects and bacteria in amber is often not fossilized even if millions of years old. But the meteorite in question has not been fossilized. The chrondrules are real chrondrules and not a replaced with stone chrondrule. You are not getting a calcified stone when you buy this fossil meteorite. You are getting a real original meteorite (Even if highly weathered and oxidized). I realize that dealers (Including myself) call it a fossil or paleo meteorite but can somebody explain to me why it should be called a fossil (Or Paleo) meteorite? Thanks DEAN PS: If somebody wants 200 or 300 kilos of this email me for details Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages...
Sterling wrote: Rather than being an academic product, it is published by SIL International, an organization that attempts to translate The Bible into every language of man. Despite their considerable linguistic efforts, the group has generated considerable controversy as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_International Sterling and list, I find very little controversy involved with SIL and their sister organization Wycliffe. I have allowed their aviation enabling arm (JAARS) to train their new pilots in a field I own for several years now and have found them to be one of the best groups of people as well as the most competent pilots that I have ever met. Each pilot is also an airframe and power-plant mechanic. They use short take-off and landing airplanes which allows them to get into and out of my 20 acre field which is ringed with trees. This field is to their liking because it allows them to simulate to their trainees the type of flying that will be required in many remote areas around the world where they are doing translation work. They don't ask for money but many Churches and other organizations give them support and they seem to get enough to do the work. To make this relate to meteorites, this group has asked me to speak to their trainees on meteorites and show them some examples on several occasions and I have complied. It is always gratifying to see how interested they are in the subject. They're primarily concerned with translating the Bible, but I'll question them to see if they know how many of these languages might have reference to meteorites in them. Thanks and My best, Thomas H. Webb Get easy, one-click access to your favorites. Make Yahoo! your homepage. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seeking help with another 168 languages
Hi, As the old saying has it, I only know what I read in the newspapers, or in this case the Wikipedia. The Wiki URL quotes a set of accusations made in a recent book and presents SIL's reply to those accusations as well. I know no more about it than that, and I mentioned it only in the interests of maintaining balance as those accusations are not trivial ones. But I know no more about it than that. Since there are only 450 or so languages with 1000 speakers or more, SIL's goal, of course, involves the many thousands of unique languages of smaller groups, essentially remote tribal peoples. This wealth of languages is being lost at a rapid rate, and who knows what clues to history is being lost with them? The reconstruction of the relationships of the Indo- European languages opened a window onto the historical period from about 7000 BC to 2000 BC that is accessible no other way than through the evolution of these languages, and the same is true for many other language groups. By all means, ask them about meteorite terms. I suspect that a crucial factor is whether SIL translators regard the Hebrew word barad as meaning hail or meaning stone (in the sense of a meteorite). All other possible references to meteors and meteorites in the Bible are allusions rather than a direct name. If they think barad means meteorite, then there would be a compelling reason for them to find a corresponding word in the target language of the translation. Otherwise... it doesn't come up often in talking about everyday affairs. By an odd coincidence, I heard an NPR story today about a nearly extinct native language in Mexico. There are only two speakers of the language left alive, both very elderly, and they aren't talking to each other. I mean, they're mad at each other and have refused to speak to each other for a number of years now, thus depriving their respective families the chance to learn and preserve the language. I don't see a way out of that extinction dilemma. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Thomas Webb To: Sterling K. Webb ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite in World Languages seekinghelpwithanother 168 languages Sterling wrote: Rather than being an academic product, it is published by SIL International, an organization that attempts to translate The Bible into every language of man. Despite their considerable linguistic efforts, the group has generated considerable controversy as well: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SIL_International Sterling and list, I find very little controversy involved with SIL and their sister organization Wycliffe. I have allowed their aviation enabling arm (JAARS) to train their new pilots in a field I own for several years now and have found them to be one of the best groups of people as well as the most competent pilots that I have ever met. Each pilot is also an airframe and power-plant mechanic. They use short take-off and landing airplanes which allows them to get into and out of my 20 acre field which is ringed with trees. This field is to their liking because it allows them to simulate to their trainees the type of flying that will be required in many remote areas around the world where they are doing translation work. They don't ask for money but many Churches and other organizations give them support and they seem to get enough to do the work. To make this relate to meteorites, this group has asked me to speak to their trainees on meteorites and show them some examples on several occasions and I have complied. It is always gratifying to see how interested they are in the subject. They're primarily concerned with translating the Bible, but I'll question them to see if they know how many of these languages might have reference to meteorites in them. Thanks and My best, Thomas H. Webb Be a better sports nut! Let your teams follow you with Yahoo Mobile. Try it now. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The EL3/Aubrite/whatever - Why FOSSIL?
Hi, Dean, I'm sure someone will have the paper and a mountain of details, but the short-and-simple is: it sat in a lake bottom which turned to a swamp which turned to a pan and so forth as the Sahara dried out and went from a wooded grassland with lakes and rivers to a pocket edition of the Inferno. A fossil is when other minerals, by aqueous alteration, replace the original (usually) organic materials. In a meteorite, this is the extreme form of weathering and terrestrialization. The term fossil fits what happened to it, although people leave those quotes around so you'll know the term is by analogy to organic fossils. A lot of strange claims have been made about its age because many mistakingly believe the Sahara is an ancient desert. No, it was a pretty nice neighborhood until the last ice age glaciation started to fail. Rain started getting scarce in the eastern Sahara about 14,000 years ago and in the western Sahara about 12,000 years ago. Desertification is a long process. The NE Sahara was home to prosperous Greek states until about 2200 years ago, and only 2000 years ago the NW Sahara was one of the great Breadbaskets of the Roman Empire and remained so until only 1600 years ago. Not much like Iowa now, I understand... Hope that helps. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: dean bessey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, December 01, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The EL3/Aubrite/whatever - Why FOSSIL? I dont want to get involved in the thread about what the classification is (I will be pretty happy no matter what the proposed options are) but can somebody explain to me why its called a Fossil meteorite? I realize that the term fossil can be loosely used to describe pretty much any old stuff (You could even call a living person a fossil meaning a person with old fashioned stubborn views) but given that this is a scientific classification I would expect more rigid use of the term in a scientific standpoint. To become fossilized means that over a long peroid of time (Usually millions of years) actual organic material gets replaced by stone so that when you have a fossil such as a dinosaur tooth, fossil shark tooth or ammonite you actually have a rock and not a real creature. No DNA can be extracted since its only a rock. Thats why we dont even know if dinosaurs were warm or cold blooded. We are only studying a rock when we study dinosaur fossils - not a real original artifact. So called mammoth tusk fossil or 10,000 year old fossil buffalo bones are not really a fossil since you get the original item - not a fossilized version. Fossil insects and bacteria in amber is often not fossilized even if millions of years old. But the meteorite in question has not been fossilized. The chrondrules are real chrondrules and not a replaced with stone chrondrule. You are not getting a calcified stone when you buy this fossil meteorite. You are getting a real original meteorite (Even if highly weathered and oxidized). I realize that dealers (Including myself) call it a fossil or paleo meteorite but can somebody explain to me why it should be called a fossil (Or Paleo) meteorite? Thanks DEAN PS: If somebody wants 200 or 300 kilos of this email me for details Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] old mundrabilla piece
Hi Steve, Any comments?? I think Mundrabilla is a little older than 20 years! Ohh... and the fusion crust is long gone too! ;-) It's actually a nice representative piece of Mundrabilla though! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: steve arnold To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2007 3:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] old mundrabilla piece Good late evening list.For all you iron lovers,have a look on my homepage of my website.I aquired a 239 gram mundrabilla piece that is at least 20 years old in a trade.It still has all natural patina and has fusion crust on one side.Also please notice the absolute sculpted features on this.Simply the best I have ever seen.Any comments?? Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better pen pal. Text or chat with friends inside Yahoo! Mail. See how. http://overview.mail.yahoo.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] QMIG update
Listoids Update of a sort... Mirror website at http://www.qmig.net let me know if youse finds any errors on the mirror that I need to webedit - the webcounter points to the qmig.org domain until I get around to fixing this... This will allow me to have a website 24/7 especially since I am in the throes of considering changing internet providers... I have 500 meg of available webspace and I will consider hosting your websites Please contact me off-list with any meaningful and serious offers about my webhosting you Cheers __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
