[meteorite-list] Email Request
Greetings List, Does anyone have Pete shugar's address who emails to the list. In my attempt to contact him, my emails keep getting bounced. --AL Mitterling __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] esthetical meteorite more photo
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[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - December 14, 2007
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[meteorite-list] FW: Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments
I think this went out in rich text by accident; if it shows up 2x, I apologize... Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec _ The best games are on Xbox 360. Click here for a special offer on an Xbox 360 Console. http://www.xbox.com/en-US/hardware/wheretobuy/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments
Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh?
Hi all - If one examines the C14 adjustment chart in the pdf, one notices the nice adjustment at 10,900 BCE. While I assembled some of the peoples' traditions which described COMET IMPACT and generally have been dumped on by many for suggesting that the peoples remembered what happened to them, Kenneth's recovery of impactites is pretty much is undeniable. Trying to remember through the haze here, but did Kenneth not also demonstrate comet related 3He samples? Given the C14 adjuctment at 10,900, is it possible that hyper-velocity impacts free binding forces, and that neutrons are released? Next question down this chain. If this is so, might such a process affect the results of some the standard tools used in examining meteoritic samples? Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks come from? PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE which ended the paleo period. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] (AD) ebay and the dragon
Good afternoon list.I just want to say that I have 3 auctions ending tomorrow on ebay.They are a small tektite collection. 6 GRAM GIBEON DISK,and a small meteorite collection.They consist of a brenham,a brahin,a taza,gibeon small cut piece,an unclassified stoney and a small loupe,and finally a henbury piece.These all have buy it nows,so all priced to move.Yes I did have the DRAGON SIKOTE-ALIN ON ebay,but after talking to a few people,this is one of the most unique pieces in sikote-alin history.I am not going to let it go.I will bring with me to tucson to show off to those who have not seen this wonder.But never to be seen on ebay again.To me this is the steal of the year.Have a great day and happy holidays to all. steve arnold,chicago Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! Chicagometeorites.net Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Friestone: not and airblast
Hi Jason - You're absolutely right about air blast. I myself never suggested it. Returning to the data, as one can see from the C14 calibration adjustment at 10,900, impactor speed may be important in the freeing of neutrons. I don't think I would be making a mistake to say that comets generally have a higher speed of impact than asteroids. Suppose then that we have an iron moving at a very very high rate of speed. Could such an impact then also release neutrons, as shown at 31,000 BCE by the C14 calibration curve? Then might you not also have re-entry from space some distance from the point of impact of vaporized and condensed iron spherules? And thus tusks peppered but not crushed? E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] JUST RECEIVED THE NEW NWA 482 COIN!!
Hi List. I am honored to be the first to receive this new NWA 482 coin created/designed by Jim Strope and Mike Farmer. Came in the mail today! I posted a pic of this coin in my collection so all of you can see how Gorgeous it is as it compliments my Lunar meteorites. The detail of the craters is just STUNNING!! The stamping of the coin is flawless, precise, detailed and accurate! Mike and Jim you out did yourselves on this one! WOW! List if you want to see how this will look in your collection just click on the address below and then click on the pic of NWA 482. While your there check out some of the other pics of my collection. You may have to click the page back to click on another pic. Hope you like! Mike and Jim look forward to the next coin--keep em coming!! http://s212.photobucket.com/albums/cc276/emflocater/ Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh?
Hola E.P., All, Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. Reentry of iron sperules? Maximum speed? With Canyon Diablo, they condensed out of a cloud of vapour above the site of impact, no other way. Spherules weren't moving quickly or anything like that - they condensed, and fell primarily downwind of the crater, at, I would assume, relatively low velocity and temperature - not quickly enough or hot enough to penetrate bone, I'm sure. Regards, Jason. On Dec 14, 2007 10:24 AM, E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - If one examines the C14 adjustment chart in the pdf, one notices the nice adjustment at 10,900 BCE. While I assembled some of the peoples' traditions which described COMET IMPACT and generally have been dumped on by many for suggesting that the peoples remembered what happened to them, Kenneth's recovery of impactites is pretty much is undeniable. Trying to remember through the haze here, but did Kenneth not also demonstrate comet related 3He samples? Given the C14 adjuctment at 10,900, is it possible that hyper-velocity impacts free binding forces, and that neutrons are released? Next question down this chain. If this is so, might such a process affect the results of some the standard tools used in examining meteoritic samples? Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks come from? PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE which ended the paleo period. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Updated Dealer ebay auction viewing tool Free Classifieds
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh?
But when in the moment the spherules rain down a second impactor would bring enough force to accelerate the spherules, than well, than this theory could fit Andi Hola E.P., All, Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. Reentry of iron sperules? Maximum speed? With Canyon Diablo, they condensed out of a cloud of vapour above the site of impact, no other way. Spherules weren't moving quickly or anything like that - they condensed, and fell primarily downwind of the crater, at, I would assume, relatively low velocity and temperature - not quickly enough or hot enough to penetrate bone, I'm sure. Regards, Jason. On Dec 14, 2007 10:24 AM, E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - If one examines the C14 adjustment chart in the pdf, one notices the nice adjustment at 10,900 BCE. While I assembled some of the peoples' traditions which described COMET IMPACT and generally have been dumped on by many for suggesting that the peoples remembered what happened to them, Kenneth's recovery of impactites is pretty much is undeniable. Trying to remember through the haze here, but did Kenneth not also demonstrate comet related 3He samples? Given the C14 adjuctment at 10,900, is it possible that hyper-velocity impacts free binding forces, and that neutrons are released? Next question down this chain. If this is so, might such a process affect the results of some the standard tools used in examining meteoritic samples? Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks come from? PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE which ended the paleo period. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Whoops! That was a bison SKULL. Bison don't have tusks... Sterling K. Webb - Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk (??!) with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] (AD) ebay and the dragon
Steve you say that several People talked you out of selling it??? Oh.I seeGosh I was so wrong on that one. I thought that you canceled the auction just because the bid hadn't gotten over $181. I am so delighted that you cleared that up for us. Are any of those that you talked to about pulling the auction willing to clarify their advice on the list? I think that is a great thread for you to introduce. You also might help us to understand why it went on eBay in the first place since you assured me when I asked that you would never place it on eBay. And after you reached this decision to not eBay-it...why did you put it back up with buy it now? AND isn't it fraud to pull the auction on the grounds that it is no longer available for sale then relist it for a higher price? If I had bid on it and you pulled such a stunt on me I'd have you off eBay forever. (Which is where you should be in relation to this list since you can't keep it honest) Maybe you just can't count--you were going to run the auction for 10 days but canceled it after 3? Steve you are so busted again. Frankly, I doubt that you will even attempt to explain yourself but I raise some real holes in your story. Do you have a moral reservation against telling the truth or keeping your word? I am reminded of a story someone once told about the nature of a scorpion... Elton aka Eman Self-proclaimed Myth Buster. Busted Steve Myths include: Save my marriage sale. Sell $3000 and buy $4500 in same period. Dragon on eBay not on eBay, on ebay, not on eBay Never Sell Haag stone--NOT Selling Gold Basin on eBay which was given to you when you begged. Rant on Australian Meteorite you should never have bid on and my personal favorite Bury my mother-in-law sale. Plus 100's more in my upcoming book. --- steve arnold [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes I did have the DRAGON SIKOTE-ALIN ON ebay,but after talking to a few people,this is one of the most unique pieces in sikote-alin history.I am not going to let it go.I will bring with me to Tucson to show off to those who have not seen this wonder. But never to be seen on ebay again. To me this is the steal of the year. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Updated Dealer ebay auction viewing tool Free Classifieds
Paul Harris wrote: Updated Dealer ebay Auction Viewer- Besides seeing which dealers are running auctions, you can now click on the displayed dealer to instantly view their auctions. Dear Paul and Jim: I must compliment you on another great service you tireless guys provide to our community. I am very impressed by the design of your sites as well as your technical expertise, and you know I don't say such things often : ) The RSS feeds you've set up to report on current meteorite auctions are remarkable. You are always at the leading edge of web development in the meteorite world and I have a pretty good idea of how much work that entails. Hats off to you, and we are looking forward to seeing you here for the big show in Feb. Cheers from old Tucson, Geoff N. www.aerolite.org www.campometeorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mammoths tusks
Listen up list Once and for all, this is what happened!! The eight Mammoths and the Bisom decided to go to the Mammoths equivalent of a tatoo shop and had the little iron thingies put in their tusks and skull much like today's youth put rings and studs in places I can't even mention just to drive their parents and us inocent bystanders outa our everloving minds. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to all. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] This looks good
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh?
Or so the story goes ... anyways that's why CD would be spherules and not ellipsoidules or splatules (if they were hot enough to penetrate bone appreciably) :-) General comment: We got the idea! ... it *is* quite a far flung theory ... but then again, like it or not, there are some parallels to the Tunguska stuck in the trees ... so I'm still keeping an open mind until a real alternate theory is proposed and more information is actually published that explains about the supposed Ni-containing thingees and ideas on what they were doing in the tusks. The folks advancing it do not appear to be frauds nor liers, and they would appear to have discovered something odd. So they have have kudos for that, and the benefit of the doubt and some guts, too, for the moment. If the tusks are really fossils and not still boney, my difficulty in connecting the dots is more on how the metals Nickel and Titanium - were detected and quantified, and what these paths into the bone looked like. This because, you need to be more Willamette sized to conserve some mass. I'd rathjer start at the beginning to see why they think this is meteoritic residue. Still, it would be a lot more refreshing to have an counter-proposal on what the thingees *are* doing in the tusks. If Darren wasn't on the trail with the excavation tools (or what I had imagined similarly, dynamite involvement, etc., however the deposits were unearthed), it would be much more exciting to turn some creative energy to construct what might actually explain the observations. The use of this theory is, at worst, as a place holder until a better one comes along. Open minds are important! For example, it interesting to talk about the direction of the wind in the moments following a relatively localized catastrophe of such magnitude, etc., etc. The alternates so far that I see are, the digging/cleaning tool connection, excavation blasting connection, or perhaps the vacationing aliens that came Mammoth hunting with sawed off blaster guns - any other more respectable ideas? Best wishes, great health, Doug - Original Message - From: Jason Utas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 5:10 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re Firstone: Anything but impact, eh? Hola E.P., All, Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. Reentry of iron sperules? Maximum speed? With Canyon Diablo, they condensed out of a cloud of vapour above the site of impact, no other way. Spherules weren't moving quickly or anything like that - they condensed, and fell primarily downwind of the crater, at, I would assume, relatively low velocity and temperature - not quickly enough or hot enough to penetrate bone, I'm sure. Regards, Jason. On Dec 14, 2007 10:24 AM, E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all - If one examines the C14 adjustment chart in the pdf, one notices the nice adjustment at 10,900 BCE. While I assembled some of the peoples' traditions which described COMET IMPACT and generally have been dumped on by many for suggesting that the peoples remembered what happened to them, Kenneth's recovery of impactites is pretty much is undeniable. Trying to remember through the haze here, but did Kenneth not also demonstrate comet related 3He samples? Given the C14 adjuctment at 10,900, is it possible that hyper-velocity impacts free binding forces, and that neutrons are released? Next question down this chain. If this is so, might such a process affect the results of some the standard tools used in examining meteoritic samples? Perhaps data from Barringer could throw more light on the reentry of iron spherules from an iron ground impact. I seem to remember frei-punkt, a maximum speed for air entry. That's my guess at what is being looked at, nothing more exotic than that. Where did these peppered tusks come from? PS - there was another major impact around 8,350 BCE which ended the paleo period. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo Mammoth Mystery. I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or corroboration or commentary. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have inadvertently stepped on some academic toes. I don't mean to accuse the good doctor of faking anything, and apologize if it came out like that. I'm just trying to imagine a cosmic event that would hurl near-microscopic BBs of iron through the atmosphere at meteoric speed without reducing them to incandescent vapor, yet have them keep enough inertia and heat to penetrate bone and ivory. Popular cinema representations aside (Armageddon, anyone?) meteorites that go that fast and are that small are really meteors and burn up before hitting the ground. Slightly bigger bits, a la Holbrook, went into dark/cold flight long before getting near the ground. Our atmosphere is a very efficient protection device. Given the extraordinary claim, I'd like extraordinary evidence. Is there a terrestrial phenomenon that would fill the bill, like volcanic ash? Where were the tusks and bones originally found, and in conjunction with what sediments/plant matter/snow? Were they on the surface, or did they have to be excavated, and can their location be revisited for sampling? Have deposits of the smoking iron pellets (okay from now on, I'm just going to call them Hot Hail, as in the Flash Gordon Emperor Ming device) been found elsewhere, in the same manner as the K-T iridium layer? If the Hot Hail penetrated mammoth tusks, we should find them imbedded in soil deposits, snow layers, and tree trunks from the same era. Did the Hot Hail have a strewnfield? I know, I know too many questions with no theory. Tracy Latimer From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2007 19:30:26 -0600 CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered with Meteorite Fragments Hi, List Well, I knew we were going to get back to those mammoth teeth... How about the history of the whole crazy thing? Who is Richard B. Firestone? Firestone is a well-established scientist I think you can dismiss the shotgun theory, really: No Cardiff Giant, no Abominable Snow Man, no fake diamond mine, no Barnum tricks. _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com
[meteorite-list] Mn in Irons
Hey list, Does anyone know what kind of levels (%) Mn is generally present in iron meteorites? I didn't think it was that much but wanted to be sure. Thanks, Jeff __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mn in Irons
I don't know of any study that reports Mn in iron meteorites; just in silicate inclusions in some irons. I assume it is present at sub-ppm levels. jeff At 08:14 PM 12/14/2007, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hey list, Does anyone know what kind of levels (%) Mn is generally present in iron meteorites? I didn't think it was that much but wanted to be sure. Thanks, Jeff __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be recognized by our current technology. Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the perfect impact point where most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years. Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a possible scenario or comments on it. Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it justice at any rate. P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early this morning? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo Mammoth Mystery. I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or corroboration or commentary. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in those big ears... Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 11:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Wups! Sounds like I may have
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Oh yes, countless nano diamonds were found throughout the extinction layer! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be recognized by our current technology. Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the perfect impact point where most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years. Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a possible scenario or comments on it. Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it justice at any rate. P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early this morning? Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 7:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments I know that this thread centers on metal imbedded in some Mammoth tusks BUT I've yet seen where anyone has referred to 1988 archaeologist Bill Topping's find of metal shrapnel found in Clovis Flakes and his unsuccessful attempt to reproduce this kind of event by firing a 12 ga. shotgun filled with tiny metal particles at similar flakes. Nat Geo Mammoth Mystery. I wish somebody who's seen this show would comment on it's authenticity. As a layperson, I'm impressed but I feel exposed without anyone's criticism or corroboration or commentary. Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Bear in mind that they have found exactly EIGHT mammoth tusks and ONE Siberian bison tusk with this evidence after sorting through a warehouse of mammoth ivory gathered from all over. Again, it's the few and tiny clues in a mountain of potential evidence. Such tusks are relatively plentiful and are in big demand among those who need ivory legitimately in small qualtities, now that ivory is banned. Just go on eBay and search for guitar saddle (and saddle blanks) of mammoth ivory and fossil ivory! (Fossil walrus tusk is popular, too.) So, all they've found is just the few examples of a rare marker of an event. Viewed that way, it does not seem so unreasonable that there would be a handful of animals at the edge of a blast zone from an airburst that would survive the event but get peppered. It's not as if all the mammoths of the era were walking around with tusk-wounds and shaking their shaggy heads to stop the ringing in
Re: [meteorite-list] Ebay Buyer Bewares - ARIZONA 'RING' METEORITE SOLID IRON / NICKEL UNCUT
Hi All, A previous Arizona Ring scam has resurfaced: http://cgi.ebay.com/_W0QQitemZ330198041276 Previous Jan 2007 auction (pdf file): http://meteorite-identification.com/auctions/330198041276.pdf Jan. warning email: http://six.pairlist.net/pipermail/meteorite-list/2007-January/031302.html Best, Ken Newton http:www.meteorite-identification.com http://meteorite-identification.com/updates.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite (December 2007): Weston - The 200th Anniversary
G'day List, What better way than to round off another year of Monthly Favourites with the extremely historic Weston meteorite for which the 200th Anniversary of its fall is today. www.meteorites.com.au/favourite.html A happy safe Christmas/New Year to all, Jeff - Jeff Kuyken Meteorites Australia www.meteorites.com.au 2008 Annual Meteorite Calender www.cafepress.com/meteorite.182689158 - __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Hi, Jerry, List, Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ... At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a major impact. Then we discovered that they can be formed at low temperatures and pressures by different means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by lightning and are found in the mineral shungite. However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3 to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one to 2800. So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space, or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe. (In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every kind of buckeyballs...) A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties. Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76 and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too. A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave, though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health hazards, but humanity has had a long-term exposure to materials rich in fullerenes (soot was everywhere) and trouble would have shown up long ago, if there were trouble... And last, and certainly least, The Bucky Ball is the State Molecule of Texas! Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be recognized by our current technology. Subsequent portions of the show dramatize the perfect impact point where most damage might be wrought concluding with the Nuc. winter as confirmed by dramatic climate change over the next 400 years. Anywho, I hope somebody gets to take in the show and set it to rest as a possible scenario or comments on it. Forgive my longwinded attempt to capsulate the show. I haven't done it justice at any rate. P.S. did anyone get to see any meteors early
[meteorite-list] Fireball
Hello list, Does anyone have any info on a fireball breaking up over the Arizona-New Mexico border moving from North to South in 1985 or maybe early 1986. It was just North of Inerstate 10 more to the Arizona side of the border. I saw this but did not make any notes of the day or time, except that I saw it at night, probably before midnight. It was at least 22 years from then to the time I got my first meteorite and thus getting bitten by the COLLECTING BUG. It was very large with several smaller streaks very close to the main ball. If you think back to the breakup of the Columbia Shuttle and the video of it as it broke up over Texas. It was almost the same, but at night. I seem to recolect that there was noise, but more like a rumble than a sonic boom, which is a sharp, sudden boom. Every car and truck in sight was on the side of the road looking at it. It was awesome, but it has haunted me thatI didn't record any info. Thanks for any help you can give. Pete __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geminids 2007 ?
Hello List, Anyone have any reports concerning their Geminid observation this year? After several days of clouds and rain, the sky cleared up here in Little Rock just in time for a decent show. My son and I took on the just-above-freezing temp long enough to count an even 100 meteors, which took just under 1 1/2 hrs, from just after midnight to almost 1:30 am. Many were quite nice. Hope many of you had a chance to catch the show, if you were interested in doing so. Merry Christmas to all, Robert Woolard Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geminids 2007 ?
HelloList, Was out about 1/2 hour here in Long Island, NY tonight (12-12:30 friday) and only counted about 10. Sky was fairly clear and the weather wasn't to bad. Ron Hello List, Anyone have any reports concerning their Geminid observation this year? After several days of clouds and rain, the sky cleared up here in Little Rock just in time for a decent show. My son and I took on the just-above-freezing temp long enough to count an even 100 meteors, which took just under 1 1/2 hrs, from just after midnight to almost 1:30 am. Many were quite nice. Hope many of you had a chance to catch the show, if you were interested in doing so. Merry Christmas to all, Robert Woolard Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Geminids 2007 ?
Hi List, here in N. Las Vegas, I was out about 15 min and saw 4. Then for about an hour (2200'ish hrs.) and only saw 3. It was cold, light breeze, but nice and clear. Jason - Original Message - From: Ron [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Geminids 2007 ? HelloList, Was out about 1/2 hour here in Long Island, NY tonight (12-12:30 friday) and only counted about 10. Sky was fairly clear and the weather wasn't to bad. Ron Hello List, Anyone have any reports concerning their Geminid observation this year? After several days of clouds and rain, the sky cleared up here in Little Rock just in time for a decent show. My son and I took on the just-above-freezing temp long enough to count an even 100 meteors, which took just under 1 1/2 hrs, from just after midnight to almost 1:30 am. Many were quite nice. Hope many of you had a chance to catch the show, if you were interested in doing so. Merry Christmas to all, Robert Woolard Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search. http://tools.search.yahoo.com/newsearch/category.php?category=shopping __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments
Sterling, List, Well, soot HAS been a problem for some people. I believe the first identified occupational cancer was scrotal cancer in young chimney sweeps. Bucky Balls indeed! John Kashuba Ontario, California -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:22 PM To: Meteorite Mailing List Cc: tracy latimer Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Hi, Jerry, List, Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls ... At first, it was claimed that buckeyballs could only be formed in extreme conditions, such as are found in a major impact. Then we discovered that they can be formed at low temperatures and pressures by different means (they're in candle soot). They can still be formed in extremes, though. On Earth, they can be formed by lightning and are found in the mineral shungite. However, the finding of Helium-3 inside a Bucky Ball is a different matter. Helium (all isotopes) is not exactly common on Earth, and the terrestrial atmospheric ratio of He-3 to He-4 is one atom of He-3 to 1,380,000 atoms of He-4. In mantle rocks, the ratio is 200 parts of He-3 to a million parts of He-4, or one to 5000. The extraterrestrial or cosmic abundances of He-3 to He-4 is much higher than any terrestrial ratios. In lunar regolith, the ratio is one to 2800. So, if you find a detectable amount of He-3 in a Bucky Ball, that Bucky Ball was likely made from materials from off-planet, not local stuff. BB + He3 = Rocks From Space, or ice from space, or dust from space, pick your catastrophe. (In defense, supernova debris should be rotten with every kind of buckeyballs...) A fullerene is a trivalent convex polyhedron with pentagonal and hexagonal faces. The simplest Buckminsterfullerene is Carbon-60, of which there are 1812 non-isomorphic varieties. Other common Buckminsterfullerenes are Carbon-70 and 76 and 84, and even 100 is pretty common. There are also boron Buckminsterfullerenes, and there's probably no reason other tri-valent atoms can't have some fun, too. A simple Carbon-60 Buckminsterfullerene is about 0.7 nanometers across. Don't touch'em or breathe'em, as they can enter human flesh easily but seem to have a heck of time trying to leave, though. This has caused the tremulous to flap about health hazards, but humanity has had a long-term exposure to materials rich in fullerenes (soot was everywhere) and trouble would have shown up long ago, if there were trouble... And last, and certainly least, The Bucky Ball is the State Molecule of Texas! Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jerry [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED]; tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, December 14, 2007 8:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Mammoths Found Peppered withMeteorite Fragments Another NAME mentioned in the NG is geologist Allen West whose search for telltale micrometeorites in Mamm. tusks led him to a warehouse outside of Calgary, Canada Fossils. Ageing the tusks, after locating several with multiple metal fragments and following this up with a similarly pelted giant bison, radio carbon dating being as imprecise as IT is, something else serendipitously intervened to nail down the time! The bones of a Clovis era horse, packed with silt, were found IN the Extinction layer[the level just below the Black Mats which mark the ceiling of the of the NA Mega fauna extinction event [yet to be confirmed] Probing into this 13,000 year old silt at the atomic level, finding high levels of, guess what, Iridium, spawned a continent wide search for similar finding combing the suspected extinction layer for E.T. evidence. As they had hoped, elevated levels of Iridium turned up at other sites across the continent. Knowing that this one finding was inconclusive since concentrations of this element are known to happen in more conventional ways, the study was referred to Dr LuAnn Becker, a geochemist and an authority on the cosmic chemistry of trace elements involved in these cataclysmic events. Looking for nano sized traces of star dust, she found fullerenes, thought to have formed in the explosion of rare carbon stars, with cosmic HE3 trapped inside. Becker is among a group who surmise that these have arrived on earth by hitching rides on comets or asteroids. Though many experts remain skeptical of the validity of the emerging science related to buckeye balls another problem relates to the lack of a crater dating to that time. ICE, however, makes a marvelous mask and might explain the absence of traces of a 13,000 year old crater which, enormous if it were capable of wiping out human and animal populations across a continent, remains too subtle to be
