Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Hi Mike, I agree. High quality prints would be sweet. There would be a market for them, I'm sure. I'd love to hang a few around my house. (Sorry for posting this twice, but I forgot to use plain text on my first try.) Greg Lindh > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 15:34:12 + > Subject: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art > > Personally, I would love to own some high-quality photo-lithographs or > gelatin prints of his work (hint hint) and would be willing to pay a premium > for them. I believe there would be a market for good meteoritic art. It is > the one thing (other than specimens themselves) that is not readily > available. There you go Tom... hand signed/numbered/limited edition/framed > lithos. I'll buy 'em. > > Best, > > Mike Bandli > > -- Original message -- > From: JKGwilliam >> I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic >> talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of >> his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is >> restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere >> in the house. Simply amazing. >> >> Best, >> >> John Gwilliam >> >> At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: >>>http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html >>> >>>__ >>>http://www.meteoritecentral.com >>>Meteorite-list mailing list >>>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Zagami fire sale
Need to move my 9.4g crusted Zagami with black shock vein to make room for other material. This could be cut with a wire saw into 4 slices. Pics here: http:///www.mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html Email offers off-list. Matt Morgan -- Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know?
Dark Matter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Here is what I wrote on my web page. First let me say that my comments were about relative age and not how primitive vigarano is. As Jeff mentioned that is another matter entirely. Second there are different methods for determining age. Absolute age is how long ago something happened and is given by isotopes with long decay ages like Uranium-Lead. Relative ages at the beginning of the solar system are determined by extinct isotopes with short decay ages. The basic premise is that the solar system was salted with a dose of these isotopes and as time passes there is less and less of the isotope that is decaying. So the earlier a solid forms the more of this isotope it has and as a result there is more of the decay product locked into the structure of the solid. So for relative ages one meteorite was picked as the zero point and the rest are either younger or older in relation to it. For the life of me I can't remember what was used as the zero point The third point is that there are different sampling methods. A sample can be either "whole rock" ie representative of the meteorite as a whole or samples of specific parts, clasts, CAIs etc. So if you are aging samples taken from different points on a meteorite they can give different ages if you are sampling a CAI or a part that accreated slightly earlier or later than the rest of the meteorite. At the time my statement was written (6 or 7 years ago) I was told that there were samples that were older than vigarano however those early dates were not representative or consistent for those meteorites as a whole. Vigarano however gave consistently old relative dates even if they were not the the oldest ever recorded. That is the basis of my statement. However 6 or 7 years is a long time in the science of meteorites, does anybody know of any research that makes my statement invalid today? -- Eric Olson 7682 Firethorn Dr Fayetteville, NC 28311 http://www.star-bits.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite?
Hi Alex, Ahhh Krymka. One of my favorites. Here's a pair of pics of my slice: http://www.meteorite.com/MT_links/2003/March/1krymka.jpg http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2002/December/2specimen01.jpg I got to visit Semarkona at the Smithsonian. It is a spiritual experience. I sent my pics to Joel in NZ for a Meteorite! article back in 1998 and have yet to make new ones. Those were back in the film days. Cheers, Martin On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Alexander Seidel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Has any SEMARKONA [Indian fall of 1940, type LL3.0 (S2)] ever been > distributed to private collectors??? I very much doubt so. One of > the "next best" primitive meteorites from Jeff´s first category, > which has surely arrived at the collector´s scene, is the KRYMKA > meteorite [Ukrainian fall of 1946, LL3.1 (S3)]. > > Yep, got my piece of this wonderful, pristine meteorite. :-) > Alex > Berlin/Germany > > > > 1) It means that the meteorite was relatively unaffected by secondary > > processes that occurred on asteroids, including thermal metamorphism, > > melting, shock effects, and aqueous alteration. These meteorites are > > the chondrites whose chondrules, CAIs, matrix, and presolar grains > > are in the most pristine condition. In this sense, the most > > primitive ordinary chondrite is Semarkona. There are several very > > primitive carbonaceous chondrites, including Acfer 094, Adelaide, > > ALHA 77307, and a few CR chondrites. Most of the meteorites people > > have mentioned in this thread are not particularly primitive by this > > definition. > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 5000 micrograph techniques
NWA 5000 micrograph techniques Hi list, I am sure many of you are not interested in the techniques I used to produce the NWA 5000 micrographs but I have had quite a few emails (and not all from microscope users) so I thought I would address what was unique to this material. The solar wind Vesicles are found in the glass and the trouble with this glass is it is nearly completely isotropic. What that means is, when you use cross polarized light, the glass is black and these black dots (Vesicles) against a black back ground are hidden. So in standard full Xpol, they would be easy to miss. Bright Field reveals little more and no color! Additionally, when a wave plates is applied the back ground color drowns out the photo. A measure of just how isotropic this glass is, is nicely shown in the fifth image of today's Rock From Space Picture of the Day. Birefringence in the glass would be visible by a shift in color! And when you look at the photo with this in mind, you can see there is not much color change going on in the glass when compared to a clear pocket. I settled on polarizers at 45 degree with the addition of a PS3 (see this months Micro Vision) quarter wave plate at full extinction. Slight nudges of the wave plate off of full extinction draws out some color in the birefringent material, making the photo more pleasant with out tinting the glass. My Meteorite Times Micro Vision article is on the PS3 quarter wave plate. You should check it out if you are interested in this stuff. http://www.meteorite-times.com/meteorite_frame.htm Tom Phillips **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite?
Has any SEMARKONA [Indian fall of 1940, type LL3.0 (S2)] ever been distributed to private collectors??? I very much doubt so. One of the "next best" primitive meteorites from Jeff´s first category, which has surely arrived at the collector´s scene, is the KRYMKA meteorite [Ukrainian fall of 1946, LL3.1 (S3)]. Yep, got my piece of this wonderful, pristine meteorite. :-) Alex Berlin/Germany > 1) It means that the meteorite was relatively unaffected by secondary > processes that occurred on asteroids, including thermal metamorphism, > melting, shock effects, and aqueous alteration. These meteorites are > the chondrites whose chondrules, CAIs, matrix, and presolar grains > are in the most pristine condition. In this sense, the most > primitive ordinary chondrite is Semarkona. There are several very > primitive carbonaceous chondrites, including Acfer 094, Adelaide, > ALHA 77307, and a few CR chondrites. Most of the meteorites people > have mentioned in this thread are not particularly primitive by this > definition. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Tektite book
There is something magical about tektites - ever since I have been getting them, my checkbook and wallet carry a lighter burden. - Original Message - From: "Darren Garrison" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 7:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] New Tektite book http://www.amazon.com/Tektite-G-OCallaghan/dp/1846930251 Anyone encountered any magical plasmoid xenomorphic aliens with healing powers in Australiaites? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive rock?
It did not only apply to "hardware", it also applied to saw dust... (P.S.: I remember this from a very early offer of DaG 262 material) Those were the days, Alex Berlin/Germany Original-Nachricht > Datum: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:57:18 +0200 > Von: "Martin Altmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive rock? > As far as I know, > Calcalong Creek in the 90ies, where some carats were priced beyond 1 > million/g were reported. No idea, how much actually was sold. Followed by > the next Moons DaG 400 and DaG 262 hitting the scene with initially > 200,000-250,000 per gram - and finally NWA 011, when there still was the > discussion about an origin from Mercury, where small shavings were sold at > 100$/milligram. > > Buckleboo! > Martin > > (have to reactivate the greeting formula, as Martin H. is back!) > > -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- > Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mark > Crawford > Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. April 2008 22:49 > An: Meteorite List > Betreff: [meteorite-list] Most expensive rock? > > Hi folks, > > After seeing one of Adam's Chassy specks go on eBay for the eye-watering > figure of ~$87,000/g, I wondered what the most expensive price paid for > a specimen was? > > I suppose it's two questions - the highest dollar price/gram (and I > suppose Chassigny might take this even off eBay), and the highest > absolute amount paid for a single example. > > Anyone know? > > Mark > > -- > Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Tektite book
http://www.amazon.com/Tektite-G-OCallaghan/dp/1846930251 Anyone encountered any magical plasmoid xenomorphic aliens with healing powers in Australiaites? __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Questions about _Tektites in the Geological Record_
Hi all, Thank you John, Mike, Sean, Dirk, James and Aubrey for all the feedback on this Tektite book. You all are a great resource and as a result I saved some money by buying the book from Mike Jensen. The study of Tektites is very interesting in that we do not have all of the answers yet. There are many theories that attempt to explain the austrasian tektite strewn field and reconcile small airborne tektites with the large layered ones in SE Asia. Thank You and Best Regards, Pat Scientific Lifestyle Meteorites __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite?
There are two meanings to the word "primitive" that are in common use among researchers: 1) It means that the meteorite was relatively unaffected by secondary processes that occurred on asteroids, including thermal metamorphism, melting, shock effects, and aqueous alteration. These meteorites are the chondrites whose chondrules, CAIs, matrix, and presolar grains are in the most pristine condition. In this sense, the most primitive ordinary chondrite is Semarkona. There are several very primitive carbonaceous chondrites, including Acfer 094, Adelaide, ALHA 77307, and a few CR chondrites. Most of the meteorites people have mentioned in this thread are not particularly primitive by this definition. 2) It also can mean that the chemical composition of the meteorite is little different from that of the bulk solar system, as represented by the solar photosphere, minus the H and He. In this sense, the CI chondrites are the most primitive meteorites, with meteorites like Tagish Lake and CM chondrites in second place. Generally, age is not used to determine how primitive a meteorite may be. Indeed, recent data suggest that some "primitive" chondrites may actually be younger than some meteorites which formed by melting on asteroids. Jeff At 05:39 PM 4/15/2008, Dave Harris wrote: Yep - I reckon either Tagish or Orgueil. My 2mg worth Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Most expensive rock?
As far as I know, Calcalong Creek in the 90ies, where some carats were priced beyond 1 million/g were reported. No idea, how much actually was sold. Followed by the next Moons DaG 400 and DaG 262 hitting the scene with initially 200,000-250,000 per gram - and finally NWA 011, when there still was the discussion about an origin from Mercury, where small shavings were sold at 100$/milligram. Buckleboo! Martin (have to reactivate the greeting formula, as Martin H. is back!) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Mark Crawford Gesendet: Dienstag, 15. April 2008 22:49 An: Meteorite List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Most expensive rock? Hi folks, After seeing one of Adam's Chassy specks go on eBay for the eye-watering figure of ~$87,000/g, I wondered what the most expensive price paid for a specimen was? I suppose it's two questions - the highest dollar price/gram (and I suppose Chassigny might take this even off eBay), and the highest absolute amount paid for a single example. Anyone know? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite?
Yep - I reckon either Tagish or Orgueil. My 2mg worth Dave IMCA #0092 Sec.BIMS www.bimsociety.org __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Most expensive rock?
Hi folks, After seeing one of Adam's Chassy specks go on eBay for the eye-watering figure of ~$87,000/g, I wondered what the most expensive price paid for a specimen was? I suppose it's two questions - the highest dollar price/gram (and I suppose Chassigny might take this even off eBay), and the highest absolute amount paid for a single example. Anyone know? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to
If I understood well, the right thing to do with a new meteorite is to sell it in ebay! I prefer to say that a standard protocole must urgently be implemented by the authorities of each country, with the objective of properly mapping the strewfield, collecting and preserve all the material for serious scientific studies. I hate to see little turtles and coins made of meteorites, for sale. AA - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 5:10 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] WG: meteorites not being able to We need only look to Peru to understand the expertise and efficiency that governments can bring to bear in order to secure critical scientific data. The carpetbaggers that plundered the site of the recent fall merely recorded locations, masses, eyewitness accounts, and such like. They did absolutely nothing to secure the all-important mud hole! Maybe they are not all bad, though. They did donate specimens to scientists that had real microscopes and ion probes and what not. Concerning the "unknown they are losing", is that the known-unknown or the unknown-unknown? Paul Swartz Any scientific data that is lost to the country. Right now it might seem trivial, but just like antiquities, they are a non-renewable resource. That meteorite will never fall again. And in the future, knowing where strewnfields are, how they oriented, what class and quantity, could have some significant meaning. It's the unknown they are loosing. Mark Ferguson __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] morristown
Good luck with that, Morristown is not easy to get, and a piece of that size would sell for thousands. Michael Farmer --- steve arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello list.I am looking for a slice of morristown > mesosiderite.A 20 to 25 gram slice.If anyone has any > extra they would like to sell please email me off > list. > > Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! >The Asteroid Belt! > http://chicagometeorites.net/ > Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 > Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam > protection around > http://mail.yahoo.com > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Screensaver NWA 5000?
Hi Sean, Good question. I can't tell you how much it means to me that you would like the images enough to ask! This material is so full of things I had never seen before. I felt I could not just keep the beautiful images and delete the rest. There are some interesting but ugly pictures on the disk as well. I think that Adam and Dr. Irving are in a better position to decide what is worth sharing with others. Additionally, when I approached Adam the deal I suggested was, I get to examine the slide and post images to my Gallery and he gets to use the images in any way he wants to promote NWA 5000. The whole story about NWA 5000 is fantastic and the fact that it is such an interesting (not sampled before) Lunar makes it all the better. I think my micrographs should be nothing more than a supplement to the whole story. Have you all seen the SLICE? WOW! It is so cool in it's nitrogen case! This will among the most important meteorites ever. Discoveries have just started as the research work has just started. I would like to see Adam make a screen saver with the whole NWA 5000 theme and hopefully some of my micrographs could be included. I would want one! Tom Phillips In a message dated 4/15/2008 1:20:38 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tom, Are you going to update your screensaver with these, or create another NWA5000 version? I'd love to see the other shots... Sean. - Original Message - From: "Adam Hupe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Adam" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art > Dear List, > > I cannot thank Tom Phillips enough for the exceptional > work and time he put into Northwest Africa 5000. I > have seen images of the solar wind implanted gas > bubbles on micro-probe shots and really did not get a > grasp on their dimensionality until looking at Tom's > work. > > The sixth image really strikes me as it looks like > planets being sucked into a super nova. Tom is not > kidding when he said he took around 500 images of NWA > 5000. I cannot choose a favorite because they are all > great. He took an image of one of these bubbles that > had a ring around it resembling Saturn, talk about > neat! In yet another image, there is a number "7" on > one of these bubbles! > > In some areas, I could observe the flow like a frozen > river where objects are aligned to the current. Other > objects come out of suspension where the current slows > down. > > Maybe I breathed in a little too much of the Helium-3 > and Hydrogen when I exposed the contents of some > bubbles during cutting but I think these images are > simply awesome, the best! It blows my mind to think > that trapped in each of these bubbles is the contents > of the Sun. > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Hi All, My how time flies. It was exactly two years ago that Tom and I were choosing our favorite pictures of his to post in my Accretion Desk column introducing him and his work to the masses. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/May/Accretion_Desk.htm After a photo career detour to the Coast to Coast AM radio show webpage for the UFO crowd: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1857.html And another C2C submission: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page1261.html And yet another: http://www.coasttocoastam.com/gen/page2037.html Tom took off in June with his own column in the Meteorite Times: http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2006/June/Micro_Visions.htm And then, of course, the natural progression is an entire photo gallery devoted to his work: http://www.meteorite.com/meteorite-gallery/ And then Tom was a winner in the Zeiss Contest MicroImages 2007: http://www.zeiss.de/c12567be0045acf1/ContentsFrame/d6ea562032304237c1257361003284f4 And then, just as with all good museums, there's a gift shop: http://www.cafepress.com/meteorites4sale And of course the spin-offs: http://www.download.com/Amazing-Meteorites-Screensaver-2/3000-2400_4-10817913.html and http://www.zazzle.com/meteorite_sau_001_thin_section_postage-172107245526871351 But my question is if this 2005 abstract is the first public appearance in the science realm of Tom's work? www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/metsoc2005/pdf/5068.pdf And of course, any guesses as to what could be next? Cheers, Martin __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Adam writes: "The sixth image really strikes me as it looks like planets being sucked into a super nova..." .. or countless brown dwarf planets in the vicinity of a contact binary :-) Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Dear List, I cannot thank Tom Phillips enough for the exceptional work and time he put into Northwest Africa 5000. I have seen images of the solar wind implanted gas bubbles on micro-probe shots and really did not get a grasp on their dimensionality until looking at Tom's work. The sixth image really strikes me as it looks like planets being sucked into a super nova. Tom is not kidding when he said he took around 500 images of NWA 5000. I cannot choose a favorite because they are all great. He took an image of one of these bubbles that had a ring around it resembling Saturn, talk about neat! In yet another image, there is a number "7" on one of these bubbles! In some areas, I could observe the flow like a frozen river where objects are aligned to the current. Other objects come out of suspension where the current slows down. Maybe I breathed in a little too much of the Helium-3 and Hydrogen when I exposed the contents of some bubbles during cutting but I think these images are simply awesome, the best! It blows my mind to think that trapped in each of these bubbles is the contents of the Sun. Best Regards, Adam __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Auctions Ending - More Being Listed!
Hello All, I've got lots of auctions ending over the next week, NWA 869, and some unclassified NWA XXX chondrites, some slices, and a really cool slice of NWA 2754 LL5 meteorite with some nice fusion crust. 120.6g Slice of NWA XXX With some crust, really Cool "Deep" Regmaglypts with High Ridges: $39.99 http://cgi.ebay.com/120-6g-UNIQUE-SLICE-NWA-CHONDRITE-GENUINE-METEORITE-B_W0QQitemZ250237131402 56.1g Slice of NWA XXX with nice chondrules, great matrix: $9.99 http://cgi.ebay.com/56-1g-END-CUT-NWA-CHONDRITE-GENUINE-METEORITE-U4-002_W0QQitemZ250237112036 686.5g BIG Thumprinted NWA XXX, Very Nice Piece For Cutting or Great Display Piece: $180 http://cgi.ebay.com/686-5g-LARGE-NWA-CHONDRITE-GENUINE-METEORITE-U3-015_W0QQitemZ250237114661 100.2g Lot of NWA XXX Chondrite Meteorites: $3.49 http://cgi.ebay.com/100-2g-LOT-NWA-XXX-CHONDRITE-GENUINE-METEORITE-U2-080_W0QQitemZ250237271393 Plus I have Lots more NWA 869, Each comes with a specimen card and a Metal Display Label: $25.99 http://cgi.ebay.com/72-6g-NWA-869-CLASSIFIED-GENUINE-METEORITE-A-869-72-6_W0QQitemZ250236721611 View All Auctions Here: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZfreel3orn Good Luck & Happy Bidding I'll be listing LOTS more over the next week so keep coming back. ATTENTION DEALERS! I've got about 20 Kilos of good material I need to move fast. Email me for pricing. Prices are based on quality and volume! As low as .05/g Regards, Eric Wichman www.MeteoritesUSA.com www.MeteoriteWatch.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2008
Hi All, If you need some prints of Tom's work, check out: http://www.cafepress.com/meteorites4sale And don't forget to reread the story I wrote about Tom in the August 2006 issue of Meteorite Magazine. I think shots like those under discussion exemplify why I titled the article "Zen and the Art of Meteorite Microscopy" cheers, Martin On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 9:04 AM, JKGwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic talents but > his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of his work to hang > in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is restricted to my office but > in this case I would hang them anywhere in the house. Simply amazing. > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > > > At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: > > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html > > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Many New Rarities Added to Ebay Store!
Hello, Quick note. Many new rarities added to my ebay store, with excellent provenance! Some are, Chateau Renard, Apt, Forest Vale, Dresden (Canada), Gross-Divina, Djermaia, Gorlovka, Aguada, Doroninsk, Demina, Esnandes, Gifu (Japan), St. Louis and many, many, many more! http://stores.ebay.com/Voyage-Botanica-Natural-History Thanks for all your support and Best Wishes! Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] "Possible" meteorite hits near President......Roosevelt
Hi List I had never heard this story beforeclick on the pdf icon to get the full version. http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstract.html?res=9F07E2DF133EE233A25756C2A96E9C946997D6CF Based on the description seems to be a genuine meteorite producing event. Pretty cool as it is close to 100 years ago. If anyone lives close and wants to hunt it http://www.nps.gov/sahi/ You probably better hunt at night as I'm sure the park service frowns on hunting during the day. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Hi Mike, I set these up for Tom. These prints are pretty small (13" x 16"). We have not tried any of the larger print set ups yet. If you find the image you like and Tom can forward me the full resolution file I'll create the larger print on cafepress. The markup over cost is $2.00 which helps cover the yearly expense of having a cafepress shop like this. Just wanted to get this out quickly before you spent any :-) Paul Mike Bandli wrote: Don't know how I missed it for so long, but it looks like you already are doing it: http://www.cafepress.com/meteorites4sale/3238247 Better get my wallet out... Mike -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Bandli) Personally, I would love to own some high-quality photo-lithographs or gelatin prints of his work (hint hint) and would be willing to pay a premium for them. I believe there would be a market for good meteoritic art. It is the one thing (other than specimens themselves) that is not readily available. There you go Tom... hand signed/numbered/limited edition/framed lithos. I'll buy 'em. Best, Mike Bandli -- Original message -- From: JKGwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere in the house. Simply amazing. Best, John Gwilliam At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Hi Mike, Thanks for the nice words! It is cool to have people appreciate the images for the beauty as well as the scientific interest. I have been Joneszing for a certain Jenoptik microscope camera for quite some time. It is 12.5mp but at $10K, I'll just hope a used one pops up on eBay. I have loved the print quality up to 8X10 with my current setup. I have not seen any bigger. If some one has purchased a Cafepress large print please let us all know what you thought about the print quality. Paul (Meteorite Times) put in a lot of work setting up the Cafepress store and it is not about the money. The mark up we put in to it is minimal (just enough to cover the expenses associated with it, and in actuality it hasn't even been as much as the shipping/insurance costs associated with borrowing the thin sections). Anyway, I highly recommend the coffee mugs. The print on them is fantastic and it is a quality mug that I enjoy. They have withstood many dishwasher trips with no fading. I prepared these images for Adam Hupe and Dr. Irving and have encouraged Adam to use them in any way he likes to promote NWA 5000. It is a big gamble to send a valuable and delicate thin section to some guy who wants to take pictures of it! I hope my images lived up to the expectations. Tom Phillips In a message dated 4/15/2008 10:40:33 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't know how I missed it for so long, but it looks like you already are doing it: http://www.cafepress.com/meteorites4sale/3238247 Better get my wallet out... Mike -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Bandli) > Personally, I would love to own some high-quality photo-lithographs or gelatin > prints of his work (hint hint) and would be willing to pay a premium for them. I > believe there would be a market for good meteoritic art. It is the one thing > (other than specimens themselves) that is not readily available. There you go > Tom... hand signed/numbered/limited edition/framed lithos. I'll buy 'em. > > Best, > > Mike Bandli > > -- Original message -- > From: JKGwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic > > talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of > > his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is > > restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere > > in the house. Simply amazing. > > > > Best, > > > > John Gwilliam > > > > At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Don't know how I missed it for so long, but it looks like you already are doing it: http://www.cafepress.com/meteorites4sale/3238247 Better get my wallet out... Mike -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Bandli) > Personally, I would love to own some high-quality photo-lithographs or > gelatin > prints of his work (hint hint) and would be willing to pay a premium for > them. I > believe there would be a market for good meteoritic art. It is the one thing > (other than specimens themselves) that is not readily available. There you go > Tom... hand signed/numbered/limited edition/framed lithos. I'll buy 'em. > > Best, > > Mike Bandli > > -- Original message -- > From: JKGwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic > > talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of > > his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is > > restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere > > in the house. Simply amazing. > > > > Best, > > > > John Gwilliam > > > > At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tom Phillips Art
Personally, I would love to own some high-quality photo-lithographs or gelatin prints of his work (hint hint) and would be willing to pay a premium for them. I believe there would be a market for good meteoritic art. It is the one thing (other than specimens themselves) that is not readily available. There you go Tom... hand signed/numbered/limited edition/framed lithos. I'll buy 'em. Best, Mike Bandli -- Original message -- From: JKGwilliam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic > talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of > his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is > restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere > in the house. Simply amazing. > > Best, > > John Gwilliam > > At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: > >http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html > > > >__ > >http://www.meteoritecentral.com > >Meteorite-list mailing list > >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2008
I never cease to be amazed at not only Tom Phillips photographic talents but his artistic ones as well. I need some prints of some of his work to hang in my house. Most meteorite related wall art is restricted to my office but in this case I would hang them anywhere in the house. Simply amazing. Best, John Gwilliam At 04:35 AM 4/15/2008, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Another New Jersey Hammer
http://news.aol.com/story/_a/artillery-shrapnel-hits-house-kills-cat/20080414150209990001 Hello Listees and Listors, Thought this story was interesting from a few parallels ... In famous New Jersey, funny iron objects once again. A shrapnel fragment of a kilogram mass made a noise outside and then penetrated the roof of this house and landed on the bed of a startled young woman. Unfortunately, her cat was in the bed and was killed as a result. The girl usually would have been there but luck had her in another place. ( ... the "odds" of that!) The Army fessed up and will pay the family big bucks for the intrusion and loss (shades of meteoriticism). Seems they were testing a safer way to dispose of artillery shells - ironically - at their base over three kilometers away. Now, I wonder if the last funny metal object in New Jersey which had initially been mistakenly authenticated at (I recall it was) Rutgers University had anything in common. Just goes to show, people don't always make up this sort of nonsense. Nice photo of the shrapnel in the article. Deja vu... Best wishes and great health Doug __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2008
Yes, that is amazing. A chance to look at the solar wind up close and personal so-to-speak, does not happn every day. Thanks Tom. The more I look at these thin sections and your beautiful micrographs, the more interested I become. And of course, thanks to Michael Johnson for hosting RFSPOD! -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: "Dark Matter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Michael Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: "Meteorite List" Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 8:34 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15,2008 Unbelievable! Tom, you really out did yourself on this one. Of course a little credit to NWA 500 is due as well. Do you know any more about the trapped solar wind? Is in the bubbles or did it cause the bubbles? Way cool! -Martin 2008/4/15 Michael Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2008
Hi Martin! Thanks My understanding is the bubbles are actually trapped solar wind and what ever is in solar wind would be contained. I think Dr. Irving is planning some more microprobe work on this slide. Perhaps that is something he is still looking at? I wanted to thank Mike on the list as well. The Rocks from Space Picture of the Day has become a real "Standard" to us meteorite fans and this particular day was extra work for Mike. He set it up so you can click on any image to bring up a larger size. Well done Mike! In a message dated 4/15/2008 8:34:58 A.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Unbelievable! Tom, you really out did yourself on this one. Of course a little credit to NWA 5000 is due as well. Do you know any more about the trapped solar wind? Is in the bubbles or did it cause the bubbles? Way cool! -Martin 2008/4/15 Michael Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know?
Hi All, Here's a link to Eric's site stating Vigarano as the (consistently) oldest meteorite. Maybe Eric can shed more light on his statement. http://www.star-bits.com/VIGARANO.htm If interested, here is a Meteorite Times article addressing my 61g Vigarano slice and its acquisition. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2005/August/Accretion_Desk.htm Cheers, Martin On Tue, Apr 15, 2008 at 5:43 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You're right Walter! I don't know what can be measured as "ages" for > pre-solar grains,other than their being classified by types, and rough ages > of incorporation of the concretions (forming meteoroids which is of interest > for the Solar System dymanics). Who's measured the date of last supernova > that left residue in our pre-Solar nebula? > > Best wishes, great health, > Doug > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Walter Branch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 6:42 am > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we > even know? > > > Hi Doug, > > What about Tagish Lake? > > -Walter Branch > > - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:33 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we > even know? > > > > Hi L.A., Listees, > > > > Just the white powdery "CAI" material which represents a small > > > fraction of > Allende is the old snuff ... > > > > > There are probably other carbonaceous chondrites of types similar to > > > the > "age" of Allende from the recent vast harvest of the deserts ... but > I > think scientists have a hard time splitting the hairs of the first > couple > of million years when they are just dealing with excess concretes > that > never were cleaned during the construction of this whole cool > neighborhood > of the Sun we live in. > > > > > Bjurbole is a standard and older than the hills of the Solar Sytem, > > > as > well ... at least a standard to judge others: the oldies must all be > > aroound 4,566,500,000 years old. or maybe a million more. > > > > > Telling the age of a meteorite is kind of challenging since they are > > > > heterogenious. For example, a person is born and grows based on an > > initial splitting of some strands of DNA. But if someone analyzed the > ends > of your hair, the might find you older than all the men on the list > except > Bob Haag and Ken (?), and Michael C. So how many inclusions > floating out > there in places no one expects, I couldn't guess ... that are > older than > old. > > > > > Then, several listmembers may be older and know better, > > > > Best wishes and nice to see you posting, > > Doug > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Leigh Anne DelRay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 2:22 am > > Subject: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do > > > we > even know? > > > > > > > > > Dear Listees~ > > > > I was wondering if anyone knows what the oldest (as in > > most primitive) meteorite is? I was thinking it was > > Allende, b/c it is believed to be of extra-solar > > origin, but is there another one that is more > > primitive than that? Is there one that is older than > > our own solar system? > > Thanks for letting me pick your brains. > > ~L.A. DelRay > > > > > > > > > > _ > > > > ___ > > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > > > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2008
Unbelievable! Tom, you really out did yourself on this one. Of course a little credit to NWA 500 is due as well. Do you know any more about the trapped solar wind? Is in the bubbles or did it cause the bubbles? Way cool! -Martin 2008/4/15 Michael Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_15_2008.html > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: New Meteorites for sale
Hi all I have a special sale of new meteorites. including many unequlibrated Chondrites and rare H/L6 class www.austromet.com/shop/Sale_2008_01.htm thanks for your time, Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know?
You're right Walter! I don't know what can be measured as "ages" for pre-solar grains,other than their being classified by types, and rough ages of incorporation of the concretions (forming meteoroids which is of interest for the Solar System dymanics). Who's measured the date of last supernova that left residue in our pre-Solar nebula? Best wishes, great health, Doug -Original Message- From: Walter Branch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 6:42 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Hi Doug, What about Tagish Lake? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Hi L.A., Listees, Just the white powdery "CAI" material which represents a small fraction of > Allende is the old snuff ... There are probably other carbonaceous chondrites of types similar to the > "age" of Allende from the recent vast harvest of the deserts ... but I > think scientists have a hard time splitting the hairs of the first couple > of million years when they are just dealing with excess concretes that > never were cleaned during the construction of this whole cool neighborhood > of the Sun we live in. Bjurbole is a standard and older than the hills of the Solar Sytem, as > well ... at least a standard to judge others: the oldies must all be > aroound 4,566,500,000 years old. or maybe a million more. Telling the age of a meteorite is kind of challenging since they are > heterogenious. For example, a person is born and grows based on an > initial splitting of some strands of DNA. But if someone analyzed the > ends of your hair, the might find you older than all the men on the list > except Bob Haag and Ken (?), and Michael C. So how many inclusions > floating out there in places no one expects, I couldn't guess ... that are > older than old. Then, several listmembers may be older and know better, Best wishes and nice to see you posting, Doug -Original Message- From: Leigh Anne DelRay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 2:22 am Subject: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we > even know? Dear Listees~ I was wondering if anyone knows what the oldest (as in most primitive) meteorite is? I was thinking it was Allende, b/c it is believed to be of extra-solar origin, but is there another one that is more primitive than that? Is there one that is older than our own solar system? Thanks for letting me pick your brains. ~L.A. DelRay > _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 15, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] By Popular Demand................
Hi Anne, Listees, Until collectors start valuing a chain of title more than the naked concept of authenticity, this looks like an uphill journey;). Anyway, a partial chain of title might give some added comfort, but you hardly can be sure until you have all the information from day one. Especially when it is so far downstream. I really can't understand the fixation on objects that have struck biological or artificial things (though - it's a great tool to help conserve provenance - and the epitome of this issue.) What I don't understand is: if an eighth of a ton of material falls and a few pieces of space gravel reputedly clang on a roof, etc. how does the entire fall become "the one that hit the horse", etc.? Can Santa Claus and his elves be recorded as a source? I thought he built all of his presents in the Arctic ice somewhere. Like an alchemist. Or, which dealers supply him? Seriously, frequently meteorite gifts are given (an activity encouraged by many dealers) and it is tacky to say where acquired - when all someone has to do is go on a website to see what was paid, other more expensive ones (leads to I'm not worth it, honey?), etc. And if someone got a present and then put it on eBay, Santa might get his feelings hurt, if he were mentioned and the seller might blush. I'm having fun with this post, but only to point out another very serious challenge. People often like to be the source of their gifts. You know the being "IT" syndrome - "having only eyes for me". Maybe we need to work on "educating the public" against this mild social taboo for this human patrimony, of not wanting their loved ones to say they were the special ones that grabbed them the star some enchanted evening. Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 5:07 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] By Popular Demand Lots of mail in my mail-box today!!! I have read every single email and concluded that the (private) responses were unanimously positive. Thank you to all of you for taking the time to write, I do appreciate. Now let me try to answer some of the concerns voiced on the List. Martin, I hope you have found your tranquilizer pills. Maybe a glass of wine will help, or a good night sleep. Yes, there is the problem (and risk) of competition. But we deal with a very special merchandise, not 2 pieces are exactly alike (not like shoes) maybe you have a slice and I have an end-piece, or maybe your slice has an odd inclusion and mine does not. And we both work with rare historical pieces, there are very few examples of those on the market and the provenance is even more critical. And on this subject, I intent to improve my listing of provenance, by going up further in the chain of ownership, when possible, and when I have the documentation. As we found out Saturday, knowing the last owner(s) of a particular piece is not always sufficient, just take a look at all the names you will find on Bob Evans feedback on Ebay. So I will try to go further. One example: I listed the Moorabie as coming from Robert Haag although I bought it from Jason Philips but it came with Robert's label (Thank you Jason), so I know it originally came from him. Alex, thin-sections is a different problem. Of course I can tell you my sources for the material used to make those thin-sections, but that is not your question, isn't it? I believe most collectors of thin-sections know very well who makes 90% of my thin-sections, he is a long time expert, and he worked for David New until David New retired last November. But, as part of our business deal, he has asked me not to mention his name. He has more work than he cares for and he does not want all of you to beat a path to his door. However, I'll be glad to tell you that Steve Schoner has started making thin-sections too, and being a very careful, meticulous person, he is doing very well. In fact he made all the Ureilite thin-sections on my catalog (reference number begin with SS). Does that help? If you have any other questions, please do ask. Again thank you very much for all the responses. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice-President of IMCA www.IMCA.cc **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp0030002850) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] THANKS TO ALL
Good morning list.I just want to thank everyone who gave me a chance to see what is available for morristown.I will be getting a 17 gram slice which was better for my price,so thanks again to all.And AL a really big thanks. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know?
Hi Doug, What about Tagish Lake? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2008 6:33 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Hi L.A., Listees, Just the white powdery "CAI" material which represents a small fraction of Allende is the old snuff ... There are probably other carbonaceous chondrites of types similar to the "age" of Allende from the recent vast harvest of the deserts ... but I think scientists have a hard time splitting the hairs of the first couple of million years when they are just dealing with excess concretes that never were cleaned during the construction of this whole cool neighborhood of the Sun we live in. Bjurbole is a standard and older than the hills of the Solar Sytem, as well ... at least a standard to judge others: the oldies must all be aroound 4,566,500,000 years old. or maybe a million more. Telling the age of a meteorite is kind of challenging since they are heterogenious. For example, a person is born and grows based on an initial splitting of some strands of DNA. But if someone analyzed the ends of your hair, the might find you older than all the men on the list except Bob Haag and Ken (?), and Michael C. So how many inclusions floating out there in places no one expects, I couldn't guess ... that are older than old. Then, several listmembers may be older and know better, Best wishes and nice to see you posting, Doug -Original Message- From: Leigh Anne DelRay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 2:22 am Subject: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Dear Listees~ I was wondering if anyone knows what the oldest (as in most primitive) meteorite is? I was thinking it was Allende, b/c it is believed to be of extra-solar origin, but is there another one that is more primitive than that? Is there one that is older than our own solar system? Thanks for letting me pick your brains. ~L.A. DelRay _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know?
Hi L.A., Listees, Just the white powdery "CAI" material which represents a small fraction of Allende is the old snuff ... There are probably other carbonaceous chondrites of types similar to the "age" of Allende from the recent vast harvest of the deserts ... but I think scientists have a hard time splitting the hairs of the first couple of million years when they are just dealing with excess concretes that never were cleaned during the construction of this whole cool neighborhood of the Sun we live in. Bjurbole is a standard and older than the hills of the Solar Sytem, as well ... at least a standard to judge others: the oldies must all be aroound 4,566,500,000 years old. or maybe a million more. Telling the age of a meteorite is kind of challenging since they are heterogenious. For example, a person is born and grows based on an initial splitting of some strands of DNA. But if someone analyzed the ends of your hair, the might find you older than all the men on the list except Bob Haag and Ken (?), and Michael C. So how many inclusions floating out there in places no one expects, I couldn't guess ... that are older than old. Then, several listmembers may be older and know better, Best wishes and nice to see you posting, Doug -Original Message- From: Leigh Anne DelRay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 2:22 am Subject: [meteorite-list] what is the most primitve meteorite? or do we even know? Dear Listees~ I was wondering if anyone knows what the oldest (as in most primitive) meteorite is? I was thinking it was Allende, b/c it is believed to be of extra-solar origin, but is there another one that is more primitive than that? Is there one that is older than our own solar system? Thanks for letting me pick your brains. ~L.A. DelRay _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
