Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction
Hi again Steve #1, AND having said ALL that, I don't even know if I will call this a Reverse Auction. Agreed, that sounds to me like a Liquidation Sale, or maybe an Inventory Annihilation Sale, like a car dealership might have. Any way you put it, it sounds like you are making an effort to open serious opportunity. See my comments below regarding a real reverse-auction*. Sometimes you really can get good deals. But, theoretically, if only one item is for sale, the expected revenue from the sale is identical to an auction as long as you have full participation. If I had to guess, I'd say the payback to you will be lower than a normal auction, mainly because you will lose some participation by varying the standard format (lose some people, though you hope the opposite by varying), and also because you are limiting the upside (sometimes to seller's delights). If the payout for the Seller is equivalent - What do you think makes an auction (eBay proxy style) so popular for buyers, IMO it's the foreplay where everyone can interact to raise the bid and has the equality, a vicarious scent of winning on a level field against the needs of museums, scientists, collectors, etc., while their bid is the highest - and that maybe others won't pay attention - which can happen. Once people start participating it's like rolling vs. static friction, and things can heat up. This is why jump bidding is so contentious: does it start the roll (yes), but does it stop the rolling (?) ... To reproduce such a feeling and give us a truly revolutionary auction, let me suggest the following simplier and perilous scheme: Steve's revised oriented liquidation 'auction': 1. Announce the start time well in advance. 2. Put everything up as buy-it-now, the starting highest price you have in mind. 3. E.g., all 10 day auctions for simplicity. 4. Make the discount equal to the percent of total auction time elapsed. for example, starting price: $100 dollars purchased on day 6 of the auction: 6/10 = 60% discount, buyer pays $40. This is the concept you are after - with no fluff added (no fluff is another reason online auctions can beat out one-on-one transactions, for those unwilling to deal with the quirks of the other party leading up to exchanging the piece. The excitement would be generated because the seller puts the material on the line at risk and it is transparent. Just like a $0.01 normal start price can be a loss to a seller the normal way, if no one notices the auction running down you create what is scientifically known as sniper's dilemma ;).In snipe mode - when to snipe becomes the question ... The big difference here is that the seller should have no control to pull the item - no early canceling of auctions! COOL !! *This is a standard reverse auction. It is basically a want ad. For example: Doug: I am looking for a specimen of Johnstown ADIO minimum 5 grams weight, maximum 25 grams, with some fusion crust. Bidder 1: Offer 8 grams at $W Bidder 2: Offer 5 grams at $X Bidder 3: Offer 20 grams at $Y Bidder 4: Offer 12 grams at $Z Auction closes, no more bids allowed. XWXYZ :. Bidder 4 wins and must sell Doug the 12 gram piece (he would definitely hope to buy!!!) for $Z. Best wishes, Doug -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:18 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction Hey Guys, I really didn't want to get into this yet, as I wanted to be the first to try this on Ebay. Talk about it too much, and someone else might try this before I get to do it first! But I will explain it so you guys don't get too confused. Ebay has an Auction format and a Buy It Now feature. Yes, Buy It Now is NOT a true auction, even though most people think of Ebay as an Online AUCTION Site. With Buy It Now sellers can place items on sale for a fixed price. As a seller, if you want to discount things for 5% or 50% or 90% off some of your items, you can. Michael Cottingham had a 40% off sale for a few days, just a couple of days ago. So I am sure most all of you are aware of this Ebay feature. Since, so many people seemed to enjoy my so called Reverse Auctions I had in the past, I thought Hey, why not do it on Ebay? The problem with doing it the old way was that there was a LOT of work on my end, lowering prices, dealing with an influx of emails on people that wanted to buy it at the new lower price. With Ebay, it will be much easier to do this. So that is my plan. My email earlier was simply an attempt to contact some of you that have previously bought from me, people that enjoyed the process. I wanted to talk with you guys off line about some things. Of course, in my description on the Ebay lots, I was going to explain how I was going to progressively lower the prices, in my Reverse Auction style, starting with my asking
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction
Steve, Michael all The reason this is called a Dutch Auction is it is how ALL the Dutch auctions are conducted in selling Tulips and Tulip Bulbs In Holland - far from a circus act (nor is it stupid) they Supply ALL of the WORLDS demand for Tulips and Tulip bulbs. Millions of dollars a year are exchanged within this format. I have always been amazed eBay has bastardized the term, Dutch Auction and defined it as auctioning multiples of a given item How odd. Doing this on Ebay would require exactly what you mentioned, Steve - Offering it at a Buy it now price and announcing in the description that the price would be lowered 10% (or whatever %) Per day at a specific time (Midnight, CA time would be good - so would Noon, for that matter), That way, everything would be sold within 10 days. You might mention that after a certain % of the items you are offering are sold, all other auctions will be withdrawn, if that is your intent - otherwise, withdrawing auctions would seem unethical to me. Steve, I suggest you notify your email buyer's list as opposed to Posting the the list more than twice - once when it starts and a day or So before you anticipate closing the remaining auctions. This would keep The advertising within list regs - even if the 2 times are less than a week Apart, it would seem OK, since you by no means abuse the frequency of Advertising rule. I look foreword to your auctions. Best wishes, Michael PS: This might be fun to do with one or two Items in The Tucson Auction next year. on 4/28/08 9:18 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Guys, I really didn't want to get into this yet, as I wanted to be the first to try this on Ebay. Talk about it too much, and someone else might try this before I get to do it first! But I will explain it so you guys don't get too confused. Ebay has an Auction format and a Buy It Now feature. Yes, Buy It Now is NOT a true auction, even though most people think of Ebay as an Online AUCTION Site. With Buy It Now sellers can place items on sale for a fixed price. As a seller, if you want to discount things for 5% or 50% or 90% off some of your items, you can. Michael Cottingham had a 40% off sale for a few days, just a couple of days ago. So I am sure most all of you are aware of this Ebay feature. Since, so many people seemed to enjoy my so called Reverse Auctions I had in the past, I thought Hey, why not do it on Ebay? The problem with doing it the old way was that there was a LOT of work on my end, lowering prices, dealing with an influx of emails on people that wanted to buy it at the new lower price. With Ebay, it will be much easier to do this. So that is my plan. My email earlier was simply an attempt to contact some of you that have previously bought from me, people that enjoyed the process. I wanted to talk with you guys off line about some things. Of course, in my description on the Ebay lots, I was going to explain how I was going to progressively lower the prices, in my Reverse Auction style, starting with my asking price, then maybe a day later, putting a 10% discount on the ones that had not sold. Then maybe the next day, putting a 20% discount on the remaining ones. This keeps going until everything is sold, or until I raise enough cash and decide I don't want to sell some or all of the remaining at too low of a price. The opposite way of doing this is with a normal auction with a reserve price, or at a starting price. Theoretically, a lot might get down to 99% off, before someone Buys It Now. If the lot was a $1.00 item at the start, then it would then be marked down to $0.01. If it was a $1,000.00 item, then it might go down to $10.00. In fact, someone might not even pay $0.01 for some meteorites. It happens that some Normal auctions start at $0.01 and the seller hopes that the bids go up, yet sometimes no one even bothers to bid once on them, so there is no sale at $0.01. Is it a scam to start high and then lower the price until an items gets in a price range that someone decides they want to buy it? I don't really think so. If I think a 100 gram Goa is worth $1/g or $100, I might start it out at $100. If someone likes that rock, and agrees it is worth $100, they can Buy It Now at that price. If not, I might drop the price with a 10% of Sale, and it is now $90. If no one likes that price, and I want to go lower, I can offer a 20% off price, and thus the Buy It Now price is temporarily at $80. And so on. If I have 2 Gaos up, each 100 grams, and one is oriented, and the other isn't, someone might jump at the $90 price, while someone else might wait until the price gets to $50 to Buy the nonoriented one. In fact, I think some dealers put retail prices on their web sites, but if you call them, or email them they are willing to lower the
Re: [meteorite-list] Superheavy element found in nature
Superheavy Fans! If the Unbibium atom was made in your Super Supernova, it would have to be the result of lighter elements with extra neutron goodness being squeezed together hard enough to merge them into unbibium by a kind of condensate fusion. Now, supernovae happen because stars can't even fuse dinky little 26Fe: it tries; it fails; the failed star collapses -- Boom! A supernova is the sound of one hand clapping. Maybe that's the prime source of Superheavies, but maybe not. One of the best methods for producing the Superheavies is to bombard an Already-Heavy with rare neutron-rich isotopes. 20Calcium-48 is a favorite-- and it's cheap -- only $200,000 a gram, a price to make a meteorite dealer drool... Here's an very clear and understandable article about Superheavies by an expert, Yuri Oganessian: http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/19751 Oganessian is the discoverer of Element 118, temp name ununoctium. But, there are other ways to get a really energetic odd isotope -- cosmic rays. Ion accelerators are a mere 90% of lightspeed, but cosmic ray nuclei are in the 99.999...% class. So, they claim to have found the Unbibium atoms in a deposit of thorium, whoops! in 90Thorium-232. All we need is a cosmic ray that just happens to be one of the thirty-odd isotopes of Germanium, like 32Ge-60: 90Th-232 + 32Ge-60 = 122Ubb-292 The 32Ge-60 atom would have to have just the right speed to be able to merge with the thorium without exciting it so much it just goes to pieces, of course, but cosmic rays are variable in energy and are made up of every kind of nuclei from the lightest to the heaviest elements, so there's some 32Ge-60 out there somewhere. If some Superheavies are formed by cold fusion (that's what they call it -- it's not the other cold fusion), then meteorites might be a better place to look for the naturally occurring Superheavies than Earth rocks. The cosmic ray exposure of meteorites is greater, so the minute abundance of Superheavies might be too. If I were going hunting with a mass spectrometer, first thing I'd do is buy a bag of some NWA with thorium in its bulk composition. If what they found is unbibium, it's a light isotope; the normal atomic weight of unbibium would be 324, not 292. It's short 32 neutrons. They also say it could be an isotope of elements 124 or 126. Oddly, one theory of how to align the extended periodic table place cerium, thorium, and unbibium in an extended group. What we want is to find (a big chunk of) is the elements on the Island of Stability that are long-lived, super-dense, super-strong, and have other strange properties we can exploit! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Island_of_stability Here's an extended Periodic Table that shows all the elements that don't exist, but may exist afterall! http://www.apsidium.com/ext_pt/expertab.pdf Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Superheavy element found in nature http://arxivblog.com/?p=385 http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/0804/0804.3869.pdf This is meteorite related in that, well, if this finding pans out, then the element has to be supernova generated, and present in meteorites (and meteorite parent bodies), too. And, depending on the chemical properties, maybe even more highly concentrated in meteorites than in the Earth's crust. If you look hard enough, you might find them in meteorites. (But mostly, just a cool story) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Steve Arnold's Famous Reverse Auction
Doug, You said: Sometimes you really can get good deals. But, theoretically, if only one item is for sale, the expected revenue from the sale is identical to an auction as long as you have full participation. If I had to guess, I'd say the payback to you will be lower than a normal auction, mainly because you will lose some participation by varying the standard format (lose some people, though you hope the opposite by varying), and also because you are limiting the upside (sometimes to seller's delights). * I agree, the payback probably is a bit lower than with a normal auctions, people can procrastinate to the very end before they decide if they even want to make a bid. With multiple reductions, some people will just miss out on chances to bid at a higher price. Some may show up a day late and pay a lower price when they would have been happy to pay the higher price the day before had they showed up. If the payout for the Seller is equivalent - What do you think makes an auction (eBay proxy style) so popular for buyers, IMO it's the foreplay where everyone can interact to raise the bid and has the equality, a vicarious scent of winning on a level field against the needs of museums, scientists, collectors, etc., while their bid is the highest - and that maybe others won't pay attention - which can happen. Once people start participating it's like rolling vs. static friction, and things can heat up. This is why jump bidding is so contentious: does it start the roll (yes), but does it stop the rolling (?) ... ** I agree, but if I have say 40 items up for sale, going down in price, say daily, there is action happening all along, rather than the waiting until the last 30 seconds. * To reproduce such a feeling and give us a truly revolutionary auction, let me suggest the following simplier and perilous scheme: Steve's revised oriented liquidation 'auction': 1. Announce the start time well in advance. 2. Put everything up as buy-it-now, the starting highest price you have in mind. 3. E.g., all 10 day auctions for simplicity. 4. Make the discount equal to the percent of total auction time elapsed. for example, starting price: $100 dollars purchased on day 6 of the auction: 6/10 = 60% discount, buyer pays $40. That is very close to what I did in the past and was planning on doing this time. In the past I enjoyed, being haphazard in my frequency on the lowering of the prices. Also, often with a list of 100 items or so selling, it took time to go in and manually change the new price for each on the email, then send it all out. In a given weeks time or so, there were times I was just busier than others. Plus, it kept the buyers on their toes. I like how you think Doug! * This is the concept you are after - with no fluff added (no fluff is another reason online auctions can beat out one-on-one transactions, for those unwilling to deal with the quirks of the other party leading up to exchanging the piece. The excitement would be generated because the seller puts the material on the line at risk and it is transparent. Just like a $0.01 normal start price can be a loss to a seller the normal way, if no one notices the auction running down you create what is scientifically known as sniper's dilemma ;).In snipe mode - when to snipe becomes the question ... The big difference here is that the seller should have no control to pull the item - no early canceling of auctions! COOL !! In the past, if a price got too low for me, I would just stop lowering the price on that particular lot, and keep lowering the others. Basically, it would be my Reverse Reserve price. I wouldn't need to cancel it, just slow down and/or stop lowering the price. On the other hand, the threat of the price bouncing back up to the full price would add a bit of a twist to it. Kind of a game of Ebay Chicken, who blinks first? Another down point, is that some people don't even look at lots on ebay unless they are ending in the next 24 hours. Everyone here on the list would know with an announcement at the start, but some 10 day auctions might end quickly, without a lot of potential buyers even seeing them. For those in the know and paying attention, they could get things without as much competition. Good for the prudent bidder, not as good for me. But then again, who are we here to please, me or the customers??? Looks like I have some work to do here to make this gimmick work. Steve #1 **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] big claxton, ga for sale
i have just taken on a 6.4g claxton and am selling all of my other ones. here is VERY NICE 2g one with surface area at one inch across. i am open to reasonable offers and/or off-ebay rare trades, rare trades+$, etc. i can work w/ you on this. there are severla other nice skyrox in the batch, to. i am going to run my last smithonia , ga hexahedrite. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZpaleoasis Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way!
Hey Pete, $40 bucks plus tax shipping? This is the link you want: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1848001568 In the USA, with the automatic 5% pre-order discount for the next few weeks, it will come out to $25 including tax, SH Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Pete Pete [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:57 am Subject: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way! Apologies if this was posted previously... http://www.springer.com/astronomy/book/978-1-84800-156-5 http://www.springer.com/astronomy/book/978-1-84800-156-5 Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites Series: Patrick Moore's Practical Astronomy Series Norton, O. Richard, Chitwood, Lawrence 2008, XVI, 288 p. 100 illus. in color., Softcover ISBN: 978-1-84800-156-5 Not yet published. Available: June 9, 2008 $39.95 About this book |Table of contents|Sample pages About this book Covers the techniques of observing meteors, with many useful hints and tips for amateur astronomers Also deals with how and where to find meteorites, how to prepare them as specimens for display or analysis In one book, everything the amateur astronomer (or geologist!) needs to know about meteors and meteorites Fully illustrated with many colour photographs and expertly drawn diagrams Imagine the unique experience of being the very first person to hold a newly-found meteorite in your hand – a rock from space, older than Earth! Weekend meteorite hunting with magnets and metal detectors is becoming ever more popular as a pastime, but of course you can’t just walk around and pick up meteorites in the same way that you can pick up seashells on the beach. Those fragments that survived the intense heat of re-entry tend to disguise themselves as natural rocks over time, and it takes a trained eye – along with the information in this book – to recognize them. Just as amateur astronomers are familiar with the telescopes and accessories needed to study a celestial object, amateur meteoriticists have to use equipment ranging from simple hand lenses to microscopes to study a specimen, to identify its type and origins. Equipment and techniques are covered in detail here of course, along with a complete and fully illustrated guide to what you might find and where you might find it. In fact, the Field Guide to Meteors and Meteorites contains pretty much everything an amateur astronomer – or geologist – needs to know about meteors and meteorites. Written for: Amateur and practical astronomers, meteorite collectors _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Reverse auctions and their offshoots
Hi folks (and Steve #1) - I really don't care what process is used to sell the meteorite, as long as the seller is legit, the piece has good provenance, and the price is right. It can be a forward, reverse, side to side, up/down, or quasi-dimensional Buy-it-Now auction classified ad. It really doesn't matter. I trust Steve Arnold's integrity and I trust that his specimens are what he claims. That's good enough for me. Steve, please post a link to the goodies if/when you decide to do this. I'll play. :) Any way to buy good legit meteorites is a good thing. ;) Regards from the swampy, moist, meteorite-eroding, Gulf-Coast, MikeG - Hey Guys, I really didn't want to get into this yet, as I wanted to be the first to try this on Ebay. Talk about it too much, and someone else might try this before I get to do it first! But I will explain it so you guys don't get too confused. Ebay has an Auction format and a Buy It Now feature. Yes, Buy It Now is NOT a true auction, even though most people think of Ebay as an Online AUCTION Site. With Buy It Now sellers can place items on sale for a fixed price. As a seller, if you want to discount things for 5% or 50% or 90% off some of your items, you can. Michael Cottingham had a 40% off sale for a few days, just a couple of days ago. So I am sure most all of you are aware of this Ebay feature. Since, so many people seemed to enjoy my so called Reverse Auctions I had in the past, I thought Hey, why not do it on Ebay? The problem with doing it the old way was that there was a LOT of work on my end, lowering prices, dealing with an influx of emails on people that wanted to buy it at the new lower price. With Ebay, it will be much easier to do this. So that is my plan. My email earlier was simply an attempt to contact some of you that have previously bought from me, people that enjoyed the process. I wanted to talk with you guys off line about some things. Of course, in my description on the Ebay lots, I was going to explain how I was going to progressively lower the prices, in my Reverse Auction style, starting with my asking price, then maybe a day later, putting a 10% discount on the ones that had not sold. Then maybe the next day, putting a 20% discount on the remaining ones. This keeps going until everything is sold, or until I raise enough cash and decide I don't want to sell some or all of the remaining at too low of a price. The opposite way of doing this is with a normal auction with a reserve price, or at a starting price. Theoretically, a lot might get down to 99% off, before someone Buys It Now. If the lot was a $1.00 item at the start, then it would then be marked down to $0.01. If it was a $1,000.00 item, then it might go down to $10.00. In fact, someone might not even pay $0.01 for some meteorites. It happens that some Normal auctions start at $0.01 and the seller hopes that the bids go up, yet sometimes no one even bothers to bid once on them, so there is no sale at $0.01. Is it a scam to start high and then lower the price until an items gets in a price range that someone decides they want to buy it? I don't really think so. If I think a 100 gram Goa is worth $1/g or $100, I might start it out at $100. If someone likes that rock, and agrees it is worth $100, they can Buy It Now at that price. If not, I might drop the price with a 10% of Sale, and it is now $90. If no one likes that price, and I want to go lower, I can offer a 20% off price, and thus the Buy It Now price is temporarily at $80. And so on. If I have 2 Gaos up, each 100 grams, and one is oriented, and the other isn't, someone might jump at the $90 price, while someone else might wait until the price gets to $50 to Buy the nonoriented one. In fact, I think some dealers put retail prices on their web sites, but if you call them, or email them they are willing to lower the prices to make a sale. Maybe the first day they put something up, they might not sell something too discounted. But talk to them a week later, or a month or year later, and sometimes buyers can talk a seller down. No scam involved. Is this a gimmick? Well, I guess it depends on the definition of gimmick. I would tend to think it is marketing. Of course, it being on Ebay, no one is forced to participate. Is Ebay a gimmick? Is Buy It Now a gimmick? Is offering a discount a gimmick? Is Free shipping a gimmick? Is saying hurry up and buy before I sell out a gimmick? By a broad enough definition, about anything can be called a gimmick. AND having said ALL that, I don't even know if I will call this a Reverse Auction. My original email to the group only asked if anyone here had participated in one of my Reverse Auctions of the past. Maybe my previous Reverse Auctions didn't fit the legal
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way!
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:18:32 -0400, you wrote: Hey Pete, $40 bucks plus tax shipping? This is the link you want: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1848001568 In the USA, with the automatic 5% pre-order discount for the next few weeks, it will come out to $25 including tax, SH Get it from Buy.com and total is $23.74. (They have an offer of a $10.00 discount for first-time users of Google Checkout, but it doesn't work for pre-orders. But if you wait until the book is released and the $10.00 discount is still offered, you can get it for $13.74 if you sign up for Google Checkout, which is sorta like Paypal). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way!
You guys may want to look at my posting to the list back on April 14th. I explained all of this (Amazon pre-order)to help people get the jump on it for a lower cost. Mike --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:18:32 -0400, you wrote: Hey Pete, $40 bucks plus tax shipping? This is the link you want: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1848001568 In the USA, with the automatic 5% pre-order discount for the next few weeks, it will come out to $25 including tax, SH Get it from Buy.com and total is $23.74. (They have an offer of a $10.00 discount for first-time users of Google Checkout, but it doesn't work for pre-orders. But if you wait until the book is released and the $10.00 discount is still offered, you can get it for $13.74 if you sign up for Google Checkout, which is sorta like Paypal). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Powlesville info...
Hello, Thanks to everyone with all the Powlesville info Does anyone know what the price per gram for small to medium slices was a few years ago. I recently saw one sell for $12.00 per gram. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way!
Hi Norton et. al. meteorite book fans, Just to clarify, I was following in Mike's footsteps on this one ... just saw Pete's post and my trigger finger was at the keyboard to save anyone from paying the monopolistic publishers double (of which the author usually sees not a cent more). Also, for Europeans the book is up to triple this cost from European vendors. You can order from Amazon too at $25.05 and the shipping takes a couple of weeks but will only be US $3.99 for shipping. I am sure Mike covered that too, but just following it up for good measure. Darren, if you want one-time promotions, you can have the book free from Amazon.com and the'll even pay you $5 in credit as a tip (in the USA). Just sign up instantly for their no annual fee credit card (and then cancel it later free if you want). I don't go much for these sort of promotions, but if you like that here it is. I have to admit Jeff B. was my classmate one year and he's always impressed me since he got Ursula as a girlfriend - especialy since he was younger :), this guy really walked on water so it is no wonder that Amazon.com is so incredible for what it is. He doesn't follow the eBay model of nickel and diming - just the opposite exerting downward pressure on prices. If you already pre-ordered on Amazon and find a better deal somewhere else, you can always cancel with Amazon and take Darren's suggestion from Best Buy. My experience with Best Buy has been if the difference is a few pennies, they are not worth it due to poor customer service. If Amazon lowers the price which is possible, they'd automatically give you the overage back and you don't lift a finger. Do you think Best Buy would do that ;) I got a pair of binoculars from them, this is an international trip for me, and takes all day. I couldn't get back until the 15th day to return the super defective binoc, ha! they said, nope 14-days, tough beans (I was 4 hours into the 15th day after eing delayed at the border). Now mail order with them isn't worth the $1.00 to me. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:53 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way! You guys may want to look at my posting to the list back on April 14th. I explained all of this (Amazon pre-order)to help people get the jump on it for a lower cost. Mike --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 11:18:32 -0400, you wrote: Hey Pete, $40 bucks plus tax shipping? This is the link you want: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1848001568 In the USA, with the automatic 5% pre-order discount for the next few weeks, it will come out to $25 including tax, SH Get it from Buy.com and total is $23.74. (They have an offer of a $10.00 discount for first-time users of Google Checkout, but it doesn't work for pre-orders. But if you wait until the book is released and the $10.00 discount is still offered, you can get it for $13.74 if you sign up for Google Checkout, which is sorta like Paypal). __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ ___ Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites
Hi List Here is a fictional book with the plot line about a meteorite. In the information on Amazon they give photo credit for a meteorite. Does anyone know which meteorite they used? http://www.amazon.com/Go-Big-Home-Will-Hobbs/dp/0060741414 -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Powlesville info...
6.2g for $14 in 1999 from Scott Brey. Don --- michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Thanks to everyone with all the Powlesville info Does anyone know what the price per gram for small to medium slices was a few years ago. I recently saw one sell for $12.00 per gram. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] King Tut cross section
Hi Bob, Elton - Indeed a thing of beauty. But then I suppose that by definition beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The super-nice cut is really nice work, however, and that is no question of personal tastes. As far as the vesicles go, Elton, I would tend to think that a lower pressure on the back plane would account for them. What was vaporizing is a really good question. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The asteroid that killed the dinosaurs
Hi all, and Elton in particular- I stopped in yesterday at U. of Illinois and chatted with Dr. Susan Kieffer of their geology department, the source for the story of the asteroid that killed the dinosaurs and the comet that formed Sudbury. Despite the fact that they were in finals, she generously shared a few minutes of her time with me and gave me some reprints that explained what had happened. Her involvement began when Walter Alvarez was looking for some help with the global distribution of shocked quartz from the KT impact, and was hitting some problems with ejecta energies, and particularly with the problem that the shocked quartz was ejected without melting. They published their conclusions in Science, 18 August 1995. Elton, this may strike you as unusual, but they had no knowledge of the physics of armor piercing shaped charges, in particular the transport mechanics of them. Tektite and impact spherule formation were not covered in much depth. (I reattach Elton's earlier note on this to the list to this message.) Now we have the blueberries on Mars to examine along with tons of horse manure from NASA about water and their formation to wade through as well. So Elton, you're not the only one having problems with the math - Dr. Alvarez had problems with it as well, and given that he was one of the nations top nuclear physicists, that's damn hard math. E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas Date:Mon, 04 Jan 1999 04:03:44 -0500 From:Elton Jones [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: Lunar Tektites Let me add one more item to the ejecta mechanism. Indulge me, if you may, as I develop background. I want to explain a munitions dynamic which can be may used to understand the ejecta dynamics of target rock and jetting stream at the instant after first contact. Placement of explosives with different shapes can be used to focus a hot(kelvin-hot) jetting stream or to construct a pressure/containment vessel,as in the Fat Man plutonium bomb. In the field of munitions, we have what is called a shape charge (aka HEAT) which, when detonated, produces a directed, hot, gas jet, contained only by the converging shock waves as it dissipates in one direction. As it jets, it carries along with it the copper liner of the charge. Only the liner is deformed from a flat piece of metal into a hollow tube in a nano-moment. What is interesting is how the tube forms. Based on high speed x-ray photography, we see the elongation of the wall of the copper-tube comes from the inside out. As molten copper is forced by hot gas from the copper plate back at the point of detonation, it is added to the tip. Apparently, the velocity of the stream gets faster inside the tube such that the last bit of copper is added to the front of the tube. This tube is powerful enough to punch through armor plate in that aforementioned nano-moment. Even more interesting is the fact that the armor plate material which is being hammered out of the way in this nano-moment, is ducted back down what we believe is a concentrically flowing, bi-directional pipeline as the energy of the jet ultimately dissipates. This occurs without pinching off the outward bound stream . The diameters from front to back taper very little. The tube diameter and length are proportional to the diameter to the initial charge. Whether or not the target object is encountered by the jet , it behaves the same over munitions-significant distances. There is no observable reverse flow if not fired into a solid object. Final point here is that for years, we believed one thing about this process until X-ray photography showed us something entirely unforeseen. I have seen the discussion of a the pressure convergence behind a impactor at the instant after impact. It appears that there is a similar but larger jet which is focused by back pressures rushing around the body till they collide. At this point they jet out and back in a stream of material from the country rock and impactor in what I have seen called an atmospheric blow-out event. Therefore, I am wondering if the dynamics of focused explosives--its curious bi-directional and simultaneous gas stream, and the highly directional pressures-- could account for the containment of the ejected material (vaporized or not) up the column. Could it do so long enough for there to be a coalescence in the absence of the atmospherical cooling requirements for tektite formation.? I would find it remote that much of the material would retain strata from before the impact, but I could theorize the deposition of successive coatings accumulating on the tube surface before it exceeded its elasticity and separated into successive globs of glass. The math is beyond me but is it plausible, based upon what we believe happens if the jet behaves like munitions jets do? If so, does this reduce the dependence of
Re: [meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites
Hi Mike, You won't like this answer, but the image on the back cover of the book which is apparently the referenced image in the credit on the back flap of the book available at your link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader?ie=UTF8p=S05Gasin=0060741414 Is of an erroneously ablating meteoroid in outer space with a fiery tail and an atmospheric entry-ablative form which is actually part image made by Frank Whitney(Getty Images) supposedly of a painting he photographed of a comet near earth with the fiery entry-syled bolide tail and no coma, and used as an example of an asteroid in the below link. The erroneous celestial representation was apparently cut out of the image and digitally pasted above a picture of the Black Hills, though the topography looks something like Alpine New Mexico ... http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2005/12/07/comet256.jpg http://www.greatdreams.com/asteroids.htm Hope this helps, Best Buying, Doug -Original Message- From: Mike Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites Hi List Here is a fictional book with the plot line about a meteorite. In the information on Amazon they give photo credit for a meteorite. Does anyone know which meteorite they used? http://www.amazon.com/Go-Big-Home-Will-Hobbs/dp/0060741414 -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Warning to List members
This is a warning about Randall Gregory. He is making threats against my life, making false reports to IRS, Interpol, Argentine government, etc etc. This morning I awoke to a barrage of emails from him, and from other people I know, where Randall was emailing using the name Gary Goldstein (pretending to be a lawyer) as is his usual way of doing business. Asking information about me, telling lies about me. He has harrassed me to the point that I am going to get a restraining order placed against him. He threatened Mccartney Taylor just now. This has gone far enough, I am sick of playing these games with this freak. Anyone on this list, please take note, anyone contacting you for information about me, under any name, just delete the email, he is writing under many hotmail, gmail, yahoo etc free email accounts. If you have any emails from him, please forward them to me, as my attorneys need them to build a case, and I am going to pursue legal action, and perhaps file charges against him for false reporting to a federal agency (a felony). This was funny, then sad, then annoying, and now it is illegal. I am not playing games any more. Michael Farmer __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning to List members
In a message dated 4/29/2008 2:34:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This morning I awoke to a barrage of emails from him, and from other people I know, where Randall was emailing using the name Gary Goldstein (pretending to be a lawyer) as is his usual way of doing business. Asking information about me, telling lies about me. Mike and All, This is AMAZING. I can't believe ANYONE would do such a thing. I'm not a lawyer, but this sounds like Tortuous Interference with a Business Relationship. More info found here: http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_laws_message_boards_forums_blogs_personal_l iability.htm Again, I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that if someone is making false claims, trying to effect your relationship with other people Mike, you have STRONG grounds for a lawsuit. If I were you, I would encourage EVERYONE to keep EVERY email sent by this guy. Destroying those emails could be tampering with evidence. By all means, anyone getting any email like that should forward them to the person it is hurting, in this case Mike is the one being harmed, so send them to Mike. If this guy contacts me Mike, I will forward it on to you immediately. Mike, I am sure you would agree, as everyone on this list would agree, that ANYONE that would try to harm other peoples business relationships would be morally the scum on the earth, right? Steve Arnold #1 **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites
Hi Doug, Mike, and List, Another shortcoming of this book is to be found on page 1 of the first chapter where the author writes: It was late in the evening at the end of the first week of August ... and ...this was the night it was going to peak. The author (who is described as having a longtime fascination with astronomy) should have known that the Perseids peak around the nights of August 11-12 ! Back to reading and grading papers :-( Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites
Hi Doug list Thanks for that bit of detective work. I guess the good news is it is clearly a work of fiction and one should not expect a real meteorite to be picturedor an accurate depiction of a fireball-comet-meteoroid thingy. As for the Black Hills I lived there for almost 10 years and the image could be from there, though I would not be surprised if it were from another location as well. I probably will not get a copy anyway as I still have several non fiction titles to read. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike, You won't like this answer, but the image on the back cover of the book which is apparently the referenced image in the credit on the back flap of the book available at your link: http://www.amazon.com/gp/sitbv3/reader?ie=UTF8p=S05Gasin=0060741414 Is of an erroneously ablating meteoroid in outer space with a fiery tail and an atmospheric entry-ablative form which is actually part image made by Frank Whitney(Getty Images) supposedly of a painting he photographed of a comet near earth with the fiery entry-syled bolide tail and no coma, and used as an example of an asteroid in the below link. The erroneous celestial representation was apparently cut out of the image and digitally pasted above a picture of the Black Hills, though the topography looks something like Alpine New Mexico ... http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2005/12/07/comet256.jpg http://www.greatdreams.com/asteroids.htm Hope this helps, Best Buying, Doug -Original Message- From: Mike Jensen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 2:19 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fictional book about meteorites Hi List Here is a fictional book with the plot line about a meteorite. In the information on Amazon they give photo credit for a meteorite. Does anyone know which meteorite they used? http://www.amazon.com/Go-Big-Home-Will-Hobbs/dp/0060741414 -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Warning to List members
Steve, there is a slight difference, I am not worried about Mr Gregory messing with my business, more about him harassing me with threats to the IRS, threatening to bash my my head in with a baseball bat etc. Those are the issues that concern me. Michael Farmer --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/29/2008 2:34:37 P.M. Central Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This morning I awoke to a barrage of emails from him, and from other people I know, where Randall was emailing using the name Gary Goldstein (pretending to be a lawyer) as is his usual way of doing business. Asking information about me, telling lies about me. Mike and All, This is AMAZING. I can't believe ANYONE would do such a thing. I'm not a lawyer, but this sounds like Tortuous Interference with a Business Relationship. More info found here: http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_laws_message_boards_forums_blogs_personal_l iability.htm Again, I am not a lawyer, but it seems to me that if someone is making false claims, trying to effect your relationship with other people Mike, you have STRONG grounds for a lawsuit. If I were you, I would encourage EVERYONE to keep EVERY email sent by this guy. Destroying those emails could be tampering with evidence. By all means, anyone getting any email like that should forward them to the person it is hurting, in this case Mike is the one being harmed, so send them to Mike. If this guy contacts me Mike, I will forward it on to you immediately. Mike, I am sure you would agree, as everyone on this list would agree, that ANYONE that would try to harm other peoples business relationships would be morally the scum on the earth, right? Steve Arnold #1 **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Chat in Mike's room ?
Anybody in Mikes chatroom ? http://www.astro-artifacts.com/Astroartifacts/Meteorite_Chat.html Christian I.M.C.A. #2673 at www.imca.cc website: www.austromet.com Ing. Christian Anger Korngasse 6 2405 Bad Deutsch-Altenburg AUSTRIA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way!
Hi Mike- I ordered mine on the date of your original post but forgot to note your name so that I could thank you for the info. The book sounds pretty cool and I can't wait until it arrives. I think it is about 6 weeks away at this point. Thanks for letting all of us know about the book ! Best regards, Charley Butterfield Well, squids don't work. Hey! Let's try elephants ! Hannibal Message: 3 Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2008 09:53:05 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New Meteorite/Norton book on the way! To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 You guys may want to look at my posting to the list back on April 14th. I explained all of this (Amazon pre-order)to help people get the jump on it for a lower cost. Mike __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Powlesville info...
Dear List, I have a 1.324gr nearly complete mass for sale of Powelesville (the second found by Allen Shaw). I am unaware of any other masses other that the two. I also have some slices from the first mass sold by Shaw. Some of the Powelsville has red corundum? crystals within it. Best Regards, Dirk Ross...Tokyo --- Don Edwards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 6.2g for $14 in 1999 from Scott Brey. Don --- michael cottingham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, Thanks to everyone with all the Powlesville info Does anyone know what the price per gram for small to medium slices was a few years ago. I recently saw one sell for $12.00 per gram. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEW Chinese meteorite fall, Hammerstone!
Hello list, after a trying day, I have happier news to announce. On April 12th, 2008 at 4:50 pm in Zunhua city, China, a single meteorite fell through a house roof and did serious damage to the home. I have pieces of this new fall already in the air, and will have them in my hands within 48 hours. Hanno Strufe from Germany contacted me while I was in Argentina, informing me about the new fall and telling me that I should go to China. That was not possible at the time, or neccesary since I have very good contacts in China who were already enroute to the fall site. Unfortunately nearly all but a couple of hundred grams were confiscated by the local government, and what few pieces the woman maganaged to keep, she sold to various people who came to her home. The meteorite is being studied in China. I am getting all of 62 grams. It seems that might be all that is going to come out, although I just sent a lot of money to China to try and buy anything possible, including the rooftop. My man is there now, so we will see what we can do. Anyway, thanks to Hanno, he is the man, the one who got the news before anyone else. See the pictures of this new hammer meteorite at the following link. Michael Farmer http://meteoriteguy.com/chinafall.htm __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted to Buy : Bessey Specks
Hi Everyone! :) I am looking to buy up some Bessey Specks of rare types and falls. These can be as small as 1mg. I know some of these are fantastically rare/expensive, so I'll go smaller than 1mg on some of the rarest. I can go as high as about $20 on each micromount, depending on type/size/rarity. I will only purchase from well-known dealers in good standing with the trading community. No offense to the little guys or unknowns out there, but when dealing with these tiny specks, one has to be careful. Here are the types/falls I am looking for : Acapulcoite Brachinite Ureilite Bencubbinite Allende Claxton Ensisheim Lost City Lodranite Winonaite Ataxite (any) Pallasite micros (1 gram or smaller) - looking for Esquel, Imilac, Glorieta, Brenham, Albin, Nakhlite Rumurutiite Angrite NWA 482 Naoki Benid Trenzano Kamsagar Kirbyville Isthilart Old Woman Jilin LA 001 Nakhla Zagami I prefer specimens with some degree of provenance, due to their tiny size. (an original specimen card, etc), but this is not entirely necessary if the seller is a member of the IMCA and/or Meteoritical Society. Please contact me off-list with any offers. Thanks! MikeG . Michael Gilmer (Louisiana, USA) Member of the Meteoritical Society. Member of the Bayou Region Stargazers Network. Website - http://www.glassthrower.com/meteorites MySpace - http://www.myspace.com/fine_meteorites_4_sale .. Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Life-Probing Instrument Preparing for Mission to Mars (ExoMars)
http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/science/04-08MissionToMars.asp University of California-San Diego Media Contact: Annie Reisewitz or Robert Monroe, 858-534-3624 April 28, 2008 Life-Probing Instrument Preparing for Mission to Mars Scripps researcher receives $2 million in funding for Urey instrument's flight planning and design By Annie Reisewitz, Scripps Institution of Oceanography/UC San Diego A new life-detecting instrument is preparing for a mission to the Red Planet. The Urey: Mars Organic and Oxidant Detector instrument, developed by a scientist at Scripps Institution of Oceanography at UC San Diego, received approximately $2 million in NASA funding to further refine the design and technology for the European Space Agency's (ESA) 2013 ExoMars Rover Mission. Named after the late Nobel Laureate and UC San Diego scholar Harold C. Urey, the Urey instrument will perform the first search for key classes of organic molecules in the Martian environment using state-of-the-art analytical methods at part-per-million sensitivities. This highly sensitive instrument is the first with the capability to effectively discriminate between Martian materials produced by biological and non-biological processes. In addition, the investigation will provide definitive oxidation characteristics of those same samples. Jeffrey Bada of Scripps Oceanography, along with a multinational research team including colleagues Frank Grunthaner of the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Richard Mathies of UC Berkeley, Aaron Zent of the NASA Ames Research Center, Richard Quinn of the SETI Institute, Pascale Ehrenfreund of the NASA Goddard Spaceflight Center and Mark Sephton of Imperial College, London have designed an investigation using the Urey instrument to look for signs of past or present life on Mars. It will analyze Martian rock and soil samples provided by the ESA-developed ExoMars Rover, for organic molecules and amino acids, the building blocks of life. Urey will be built and tested at the NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory (JPL) in Pasadena, Calif. This next phase of funding assures that the Urey instrument's design will be completed on schedule and we will be prepared to start building the actual instrument next year, said Bada, professor of marine chemistry at Scripps and principal investigator of the Urey investigation. The instrument has been supported by NASA Research and Development funding for the past several years leading up to this transition to Phase A Flight planning and design. The Urey instrument has been identified as an integral component of ExoMars, a six-month mission on the Red Planet and ESA's first rover mission to Mars. We will be working very closely with our European partners over the next year to finalize interfaces and to further solidify how Urey fits into the overall ExoMars payload system, said Allen Farrington, project manager of the Urey development team at JPL. A compact instrument that can be held in the palm of one's hand, Urey will search for trace levels of amine-containing organic molecules by making espresso from spoon-sized amounts of Martian soil, freeze drying the liquid to remove the water, and then slowly re-heating the residue, and concentrating the organic molecules by condensing them on a cold trap. A lab-on-a-chip, micro-fluidic, laser-induced fluorescence detector initially developed by team members at UC Berkeley will probe the trap's contents. In addition to the organic compound analyses, Urey will also test the Martian samples and environment for their ability to degrade organic compounds through oxidation. The Mars Oxidant Instrument developed by team members at NASA Ames Research Center, JPL and the SETI Institute will enable the scientists to evaluate the stability of compounds directly under Martian conditions. Even if no organic compounds are detected, this oxidation information will provide important data for understanding the reasons why organic compounds might not be preserved on Mars. [NOTE: Images supporting this release are available at http://ucsdnews.ucsd.edu/newsrel/science/04-08MissionToMars.asp ] __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] looking for some small mali's
Hi list.I am looking for some small mali individuals that are fully crusted 5 to 20 grams.Please let me know off list. Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!! The Asteroid Belt! http://chicagometeorites.net/ Collecting Meteorites since 06/19/1999 Ebay I.D. Illinoismeteorites Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: New Issue: A Farside Geochemical Window into the Moon
Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: PSRD [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 8:40 PM Subject: New Issue: A Farside Geochemical Window into the Moon Announcement from Planetary Science Research Discoveries [PSRD] New Issue: Findings show geochemical enhancements in the farside Dewar region are caused by thorium-rich mare basalt fragments in the regolith. - READ: First summary paragraph for a quick overview PRINT: pdf version VIEW: short slide summary - FULL ARTICLE at: http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/April08/Dewar-Th.html - PSRD is an educational web site supported by NASA's SMD Cosmochemistry Program and the Hawaii Space Grant Consortium to share the latest research on meteorites, planets, moons, and other solar system bodies. You are subscribed to our free mailing list. We never send attachments. For more information please see http://www.psrd.hawaii.edu/PSRDsubscribe.html - Jeff Taylor and Linda Martel Hawaii Institute of Geophysics and Planetology, University of Hawaii [EMAIL PROTECTED] voice (808) 956-3899 fax (808) 956-6322 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Powellsville info
A Google search for the word spelled as Powellsville gives: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=Powellsville+meteoritebtnG=Google+Searchaq=f and http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/metbull.php?sea=Powellsvillecode=18880 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
