[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8, 2008
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8, 2008
Great picture and interesting explanations. Thanks! Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:39 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 8,2008 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_8_2008.html **Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut000517 ) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RFSPicture of the Day - August 8, 2008: Julesburg Chondrule Collision
Frédéric wrote: Great picture and interesting explanations. Thanks! Absolutely right, ... stunning, fantastic, breathtaking picture! Surely, a dramatic moment unfolding before one's eyes: A porphyritic chondrule fragment caught in the act of colliding and demolishing an innocent barred olivine chondrule. A.L. Graham wrote in an article about the Julesburg chondrite that numerous chondrules indent each other and that some chondrules have been welded to adjacent silicates. The right part of the BO chondrule looks as if it is being welded into the adjacent, shock-darkened pyroxene laths Reference: Graham A.L. (1993) The Julesberg L3 meteorite (Meteoritics 28-1, 1993, 122-125). Best wishes from the proud owner of 43.5-gram Julesburg slice (purchased from Walter Zeitschel) and a Julesburg thin section (acquired from Mark Bostick), Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - New Chondrite from the Sahara - VERY FRESH
Dear Listees, I have just received a new chondrite from Morocco, which was found by nomads very recently in Algeria according to the seller. 10 individuals, all coming from the same fall, and i think that we are talking about a nice H3 chondrite. Some chips display a lot of sharply defined chondrules and their size is quite big for an H chondrite but at the same time this meteorite seems to be very rich in nickel-iron grains, therefore i believe it is an H chondrite and an H3. I am sending tomorrow one of these individuals for analyses and classification to the University Blaise Pascal of Clermont Ferrand, France and hope to get some news sometime in September. In the meantime the individuals i have are for sale at: http://meteoriteshow.free.fr/meteoriteshow%20fra/pages%20navigation/pieces_en_vente_FB-55-08.htm I am flying back to Ghana the day after tomorrow, on Sunday, but the meteorite will stay in France from where it will be shipped, should you like one of these beauties to come and join your collection. But of course i will be able to answer any question you may have by e-mail from Ghana, when I will be there. All the best! Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 PS : any individual purchased before the classification will be sent with a provisional certificate and classification will be sent to buyers as soon as i get it __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fred's new (H3?) Chondrite
Hello Folks, I just purchased this specimen from Fred: 172.1g individual - 69 x 43 x 36 mm. Fred thinks it may be an H3 chondrite and those many rusty stains where the matrix is visible seem to underline the conclusion that we are dealing with an H chondrite. On the other hand, it is those big, grayish chondrule packages that make me lean toward an L4 or LL4 classification (see my specimen photo #2) because the last time I saw such loose chondrules and ones that are on the point of popping out, was in my Bjurböle specimen and Bjurböle is an L/LL4 chondrite. I may be wrong and maybe the fresh owner of the 117.4-gram individual would like to chime in and share his impressions on her/his latest acquisition ;-) Best, Bernd __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ga + fl skyrox for sale
due to some unforseen family situation, i am letting several rare meteorites go to for cash. included (but not limited) to: 55g SARDIS, GA 10g MILLEN, GA, 2.1gCLAXTON, GA 6.5g CLAXTON, GA, 11g GA TEKTITE, 26G BONITA SPRINGS, FL + others as needed. these are specimens that you simply will not find anywhere on the open market. there are no deals here- just ultra-rare skyrox for the specific collector. dealers not encouraged as prices are not cheap, by any means. these pieces are reserved for collectors and priced accordingly. info+$+pix- please email. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ga +fl skyrox for sale
thanks for the over whelming response in miutes! the sardis has just sold and i have taken a few quick pix. got those interested in the ga tektite, i will get it out of my safe and take good pix of it in a few. please RE-EMAIL if you need the pix of any mentioned, once again, thanks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
Ruben Garcia wrote: All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta individual get one now! This is not a scare tactic or hype to sell a few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, any hunters that try will be arrested. Gee I wonder why? Taking the Hill Glorieta hunts and all the publicity on the Treasure out there on lands that are not only private but also historic battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War. Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land. Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed. And what some thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.Whenever I encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it was. Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today. No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add prosecuted. In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land owners if I went onto private lands. Now most of those landowners are gone, having sold their lands to others. But for the most part my searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the battlefield areas, Blab, blab, blab... Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we might find gets shut down. No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down scattered everywhere... What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high publicity meteorite hunts? A public, and Government welcoming committee? Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Save big on quality, name brand carpets. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i51k3dL0dMZrU8K905fiJcz6FWuJDHsX9gRHYnCNfol6oSbRC/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
Hey Steve, You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about? Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive now available online
http://www.meteoritehistory.info/ Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive Originally published as three CDs and a DVD this website provides over 9,800 pages of information on the subject taken from old journals and books. Each page is presented as a photocopy of the original page. In the few places where the information is maintained more up to date elsewhere there are links, such as the UK and Ireland Meteroite page, and those to W. F. Denning. But essentially you have the content of the CDs, minus the magnify option on each page. Enjoy. Eric S. Hutton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive now available online
WOW! Really! WOW! One of my fav's http://www.meteoritehistory.info/WARD/WCCONT.HTM Excellent job Eric and thank you very much! -Martin On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 1:05 PM, Eric Hutton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.meteoritehistory.info/ Meteors and Meteorites an Historic Archive Originally published as three CDs and a DVD this website provides over 9,800 pages of information on the subject taken from old journals and books. Each page is presented as a photocopy of the original page. In the few places where the information is maintained more up to date elsewhere there are links, such as the UK and Ireland Meteroite page, and those to W. F. Denning. But essentially you have the content of the CDs, minus the magnify option on each page. Enjoy. Eric S. Hutton __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
So Ruben, who do you suppose put the trash in the holes that Steve was referring to? Who do you suppose put in the 4x4 trails Steve is referring to? Who do you suppose the publicity hounds have been the past several years that brought all the attention to the area? (I haven't seen Steve on TV) Inquiring minds want to know. Don Rawlings --- On Fri, 8/8/08, Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed... To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, August 8, 2008, 2:11 PM Hey Steve, You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about? Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] absolute K-I-L-L-E-R portales for sale
i have a 27.6g PORTALES slice that is THE BEST that i have ever seen. 70% metal with a killer widnamstatten etch on one side and sanded on the other, pieces like this at this size are beyond rare. $1,000 pix available . __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mars Odyssey THEMIS Images: August 4-8, 2008
MARS ODYSSEY THEMIS IMAGES August 4-8, 2008 o Northern Layers (Released 04 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080804a o Tharsis Lavas (Released 05 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080805a o Melas Chasma (Released 06 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080806a o Syria Planum (Released 07 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080807a o Dunes and Gullies (Released 08 August 2008) http://themis.asu.edu/zoom-20080808a All of the THEMIS images are archived here: http://themis.asu.edu/latest.html NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory manages the 2001 Mars Odyssey mission for NASA's Office of Space Science, Washington, D.C. The Thermal Emission Imaging System (THEMIS) was developed by Arizona State University, Tempe, in co.oration with Raytheon Santa Barbara Remote Sensing. The THEMIS investigation is led by Dr. Philip Christensen at Arizona State University. Lockheed Martin Astronautics, Denver, is the prime contractor for the Odyssey project, and developed and built the orbiter. Mission operations are conducted jointly from Lockheed Martin and from JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
Don, I don't want to and won't trash anyone - not even Steve. I like Steve! I don't know the answers to your questions for sure as I have never personally seen a quad there. Tracks yes, quads no. I've never seen Steve on TV either (regarding Glorieta that is) However, a very good article written by my friend Geoff Notkin was all about Steve's Glorieta escapades. It was because of that article that many of us started looking towards Glorieta. And what about all the information Steve put out on the web regarding Glorieta? I'm proud of my videos, articles, TV shows etc... I won't apologize for that. All I'm saying is that many, many meteorite hunters have been there. Some have done articles, TV shows, and the like... Including Steve. If that is the reason it was closed then ok I'm guilty, but so are many others...including Steve. So lets not be hypocritical. I'm done with this topic! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allo wed...
Ruben, I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however-- I am very sad at the situation as it now stands. Now as for you and land owners... I know that there are land owners quite upset with you... Need I name them? I am sure that you know who they are. So, I leave that to your conscience. Trashing the land with ATV's? I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly. Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 -- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve, You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about? Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v Have a good idea for a business but no cash? Click here to search business funding options. http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i52dVNmyia97nE0aG8PedagruJUmJ4VVq5Xr48zZAvNqmFCTi/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allo wed...
Hi Steve I am guessing you are referring to me in this post Trashing the land with ATV's? I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly. Now if you have a little time and read my story of finding the main mass you would know that the quad was not involved in the hunt it was only involved in the recovery. I am sure you with your amazing ability to hunt while hovering above the ground as to not disturb anything is quite unique and I am sure no one but you could have harnessed the power of a flock of spotted owls to safely fly out a 300 pound iron. I on the other hand did use a quad to to get this 300 pounder out I was just not smart enough to figure out another way. I rode into the area using roads designed for cars and cut by bulldozers (little late to worry about ruining the landscape with my quad tracks) then to within 150 yards using an old wagon trail, then the trail disapeared. Oh yea Steve I did bury the hole and you wont find any trash in the area either, weather it was mine or not I carry it back out with me. So yes I have ridden a quad in the mountains north of Santa Fe New Mexico, but I take offense that just because I was there that you assume it was me doing the damage. Steve you have actually hunted the Glorieta with me do you recall following me around and picking up my empty water bottles? Or was I destroying anything with my quad when you actually saw me there? Please keep your opinion to your self unless you know and have seen me doing something wrong. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruben, I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however-- I am very sad at the situation as it now stands. Now as for you and land owners... I know that there are land owners quite upset with you... Need I name them? I am sure that you know who they are. So, I leave that to your conscience. Trashing the land with ATV's? I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly. Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 -- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve, You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about? Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v Have a good idea for a business but no cash? Click here to search business funding options. http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i52dVNmyia97nE0aG8PedagruJUmJ4VVq5Xr48zZAvNqmFCTi/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MARTIAN MOON NAMES... AGAIN
Hi, Darren, John, Larry, List This is so typical. I'm here to completely reverse my position on the English meaning of the names of the Martian moons that I posted yesterday. The IAU / USGS website with them: http://planetarynames.wr.usgs.gov/append7.html is probably correct and the best resolution of the question. I've continued to research the question. I have discovered that I was wrong about some things (no big surprise there). I have the habit of shooting off my mouth about what I think I know and discovering it to be mistaken. I was sure Iliad xv, 119 had Phobos, Deimos in that order, and... yes, wrong again. The Iliad, Chap 15, lines 113-120, transliterated into Romanic characters: hôs ephat', autar Arês thalerô peplêgeto mêrô chersi kataprêness', olophuromenos d' epos êuda: mê nun moi nemesêset' Olumpia dômat' echontes 115 tisasthai phonon huios iont' epi nêas Achaiôn, ei per moi kai moira Dios plêgenti keraunôi keisthai homou nekuessi meth' haimati kai koniêisin. hôs phato, kai rh' hippous keleto Deimon te Phobon te zeugnumen, autos d' ente' eduseto pamphanoônta. 120 If the characters don't come up right in the email, just go to: http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseus%3Atext%3A1999.01.0133layout=loc=15.119 You can switch the display to the Greek characters if you want to. I was dead wrong. Homer gives Deimos, Phobos in that order, which Bryant translated as Fear, Flight, in that order, which Hall chose, in that order, to be the English names of Deimus, Phobus, which he discovered, in that order (despite the greater magnitude of Phobos). SO, if the deciding criterion is the nominative intent of the discoverer Hall, the English names on the IAU / USGS website are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT! The question is not a definitive source, but a definitive or deciding criterion. There are some choices: 1. The intent of the discoverer and the exercise of the naming right in a case of a name of pre-IAU origin and undisputed at the time. In this case, it would be what is currently on the webpage. 2. The linguistic heritage of a loan-word or root in any given language. There's no doubt English has accepted the Greek phobos as a root for Fear, at this point in time. This is unlikely to change, as we're likely to continue to have phobias! On the other hand, deimos has not been borrowed into English, so there is no obvious choice for it. The English phobia postdates Hall's naming. We didn't have phobias until the psychiatric revolution of the early twentieth century. If you didn't like standing on the edge of a cliff or being locked in a closet, you were just a scaredy-cat, not phobic. You were teased, not drugged, enrolled in a support group, made special. 3. Accepted Usage is another possible criterion. But we see that the usage of translators of Ancient Greek is all over the map, all of the time. But there's also the Accepted Professional Usage of astronomers who, for almost a century have been writing textbooks, the vast majority of which have translated Phobos as Fear and Deimos as something else! Panic, Terror, Dread, Flight, Rout... you name it, and occasionally re-naming Phobos, too. Doesn't seem that any of these astronomers ever objected to what the others were doing in the name-translation game, either. It was essentially a free-for-all. The problem is that there's nothing settled here; in both cases, the name translations can vary at will and at any time. Nomenclature is not supposed to work that way. The three criteria all have advantages and disadvantages. No. 2 is bad because it's indecisive about Deimos, so it doesn't apply to the whole case. No. 3 is bad because it is subject to change. In the case of adopting current Ancient Greek-to-English translation preferences, it will change constantly, or at least a three times a century. In the case of professional usage, it is clear about Phobos and vague about Deimos, just like No. 2, so it settles nothing. It was a partial free-for-all, and that is problem. Astronomers didn't settle it. They had their chance and didn't think it was important enough to pin it down. That leaves No. 1, which has a clear-cut rationale, based on a clear-cut principle, and produces a result that is fixed. If it is the criterion that applies, the matter of the meaning of the names in English is done, over, permanent, will never change, move along, there's nothing to see here... So, I've done a complete flip-flop. They should leave the website the way it is. They've done the right thing. If a man persist in error long enough, he will find the truth of it. (I'm sure somebody said that, and if not, someone should have.) And... that is what the IAU Nomenclature is all about, isn't it? Settle the matter. Fix the name permanently. Stop quibbling. Move on. The only disadvantage of No. 1 is that they will get these quibbling emails afterwards... for years. Now, I'm telling everybody that I told that I
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
So are we saying that all the land owners have gotten together along with county, state and federal authorities to form posse's? None of that land has ever been public. All of it is either private, or otherwise owned in part as BLM or other local, state or federal lands. As to hunting on private land, meteorite hunters have always been well known to the locals, if not by name, by activity, and have always been seen as trespassers. So what has changed? I'm sure that most of the well known hunters on the list are responsible people; Everyone I've ever delt with (as well as myself) in respect to the Glorieta field, has always obtained hunting permission from the land-owner. However, there are a lot of individuals who are not necessarily known to the list or the IMCA, or who are just loners who sneak around on their own and hunt quietly on their own. I suspect that those are the ones who who tend to be the irresponsible parties. Maybe it's not such a good idea to advertise ones' activities to the world on Utube; it attracts flies! Ron Hartman - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta,not hunting allowed... Ruben Garcia wrote: All hunting on private land in Glorieta is no longer permitted. Prices are getting high and will only go higher. If you don't have a Glorieta individual get one now! This is not a scare tactic or hype to sell a few pieces. Nice full slices can still be had at a decent price from Mike Miller @ http://www.meteoritefinder.com/glorieta.htm However, there will be no more individuals coming out of the strewnfield, any hunters that try will be arrested. Gee I wonder why? Taking the Hill Glorieta hunts and all the publicity on the Treasure out there on lands that are not only private but also historic battlefields from two wars, the Mexican and the Civil War. Holes left uncovered, trash and bottles scattered on once pristine land. Off road tracks criss crossing every hill and cranny... and more importantly historic relics thought to be old trash were removed from where they were found and piled elsewhere or trashed. And what some thought to be trash was in fact an archeologist's treasure.Whenever I encountered an artifact, I put it right back into the hole, covering as it was. Every hole I ever dug and covered cannot be found today. No wonder that meteorite hunters will be arrested and might I add prosecuted. In the many years that I searched, I always got permission from land owners if I went onto private lands. Now most of those landowners are gone, having sold their lands to others. But for the most part my searches were pretty much restricted to public lands, and well off of the battlefield areas, Blab, blab, blab... Make as much publicity and stink as one can, trash the land... And the result is that that area and any other future meteorite fields that we might find gets shut down. No respect for the rights of property owners; leaving the land cratered like the moon, plastic bottles that will take centuries to break down scattered everywhere... What does Ruben and everyone expect from landowners with their high publicity meteorite hunts? A public, and Government welcoming committee? Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 Save big on quality, name brand carpets. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i51k3dL0dMZrU8K905fiJcz6FWuJDHsX9gRHYnCNfol6oSbRC/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] A few documents
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Re: [meteorite-list] A few documents
Reading one of the papers that is very informative on the question I brought up a while back re: ice meteorites: http://hyperion.cc.uregina.ca/~astro/Ice_Mets.pdf __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allowed...
OK, cut the BS and bickering and let's stop the finger pointing. I know and am friends with and hunted with some of the people who have hunted Glorieta and they just happen to be the ones who inspired me, and introduced me into the meteorite world. Every time some nice hunting area gets closed down, and hunters get shut out, the finger pointing blame game starts. Feelings get hurt and people lose friends. This is petty BS and many of you guys have been friends for too many years to be accusing ANYONE of any wrongdoing. This happens in all areas of treasure hunting, not just the meteorite community. We all know who hunts out there. We also know that these famous hunters are ethical and good people. It's not their fault, it's the buttheads that go out there unannounced, without permission, sneaking and peaking, and the ones who you DON'T KNOW that are trashing the place. This goes for any hunting area. If you owned the land that these things were done on you'd close it to the public too! Simple as that. It only takes a few bad apples in the barrel to spoil the whole bunch. It's a cliche, but it's said for a reason. Stop pointing fingers. Be sad about it yes, but stop playing the blame game. Maybe in a few years or sooner it will slowly open back up again. This list is for learning about and discussing meteorites, it's not a public forum for blame, if you've got a beef with someone don't bring it out publicly here, send a freaking email. That's all I have to say about that... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Watch Meteorites USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ruben Garcia reports: Glorieta, not hunting allo wed...
Did I name anyone? I know facts regarding what transpired out at Glorieta and at other sites. I will simply say that lines were crossed that I would never have, or thought of crossing. Wishing all meteorite hunters the best#8230; Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 -- Mike Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Steve I am guessing you are referring to me in this post Trashing the land with ATV's? I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly. Now if you have a little time and read my story of finding the main mass you would know that the quad was not involved in the hunt it was only involved in the recovery. I am sure you with your amazing ability to hunt while hovering above the ground as to not disturb anything is quite unique and I am sure no one but you could have harnessed the power of a flock of spotted owls to safely fly out a 300 pound iron. I on the other hand did use a quad to to get this 300 pounder out I was just not smart enough to figure out another way. I rode into the area using roads designed for cars and cut by bulldozers (little late to worry about ruining the landscape with my quad tracks) then to within 150 yards using an old wagon trail, then the trail disapeared. Oh yea Steve I did bury the hole and you wont find any trash in the area either, weather it was mine or not I carry it back out with me. So yes I have ridden a quad in the mountains north of Santa Fe New Mexico, but I take offense that just because I was there that you assume it was me doing the damage. Steve you have actually hunted the Glorieta with me do you recall following me around and picking up my empty water bottles? Or was I destroying anything with my quad when you actually saw me there? Please keep your opinion to your self unless you know and have seen me doing something wrong. On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 3:28 PM, Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ruben, I am not mad at you or anyone in particular, however-- I am very sad at the situation as it now stands. Now as for you and land owners... I know that there are land owners quite upset with you... Need I name them? I am sure that you know who they are. So, I leave that to your conscience. Trashing the land with ATV's? I think that recent photos reveals at least one that has done it rather blantantly. Steve Schoner IMCA 4470 -- Ruben Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Steve, You sound upset at me, though I'm not sure why. I had full permission from land owners for all of the above - Cash and Treasures, my videos, articles etc..- The and owners even allowed me to stay in their cabin while there. Does that sound like I trashed their area? I've never hunted on Federal property, I've covered all of my holes and never taken a quad to glorieta. So who are you talking about? Through the years we (meaning all successful hunters) have inspired others to become meteorite hunters. You inspired some yourself, including me! It happens. Did you think glorieta would be there for you and only you to hunt? I'm sorry it is shut down! But not for myself, I'm sorry for the land owners who got the shaft. I've spoken to them and they are not mad a me, but because of pressure from others they had to stop hunting all together. They were very good to all of us! Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v Have a good idea for a business but no cash? Click here to search business funding options. http://thirdpartyoffers.mybluelight.com/TGL2341/fc/Ioyw6i52dVNmyia97nE0aG8PedagruJUmJ4VVq5Xr48zZAvNqmFCTi/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Miller 230 Greenway Dr. Kingman Az 86401 www.meteoritefinder.com 928-753-6825 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
