Re: [meteorite-list] A mystery in the making
There was a follow up to the 2008 pond story: http://meteorite-identification.com/mwnews/01202008.html and Gary Foote's 2007 pond adventure: http://meteorite-identification.com/mwnews/02212007.html http://www.webbers.com/meteorites/nhmet.html I agree that this seems to be a natural occurrence. Best, Ken Newton On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 5:13 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: Greg, It's a natural phenomenon: http://farshores.org/n8met3.htm All: I thought this interesting. Greg S. http://www.bclocalnews.com/okanagan_similkameen/vernonmorningstar/opinion/letters/82457857.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Looks like you'll all be recognizing me this time then as I walk round the show Cheers, Graham Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Or one of those neat Indiana Jones bullwhips, maybe? And the hat... Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words G'Day Graham A side arm would help =) Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:03 PM Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words Hi All, A Tucson question. Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have noticed on other visits. Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in order to purchase from them. Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry Looks like you'll all be recognizing me this time then as I walk round the show Cheers, Graham Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Or one of those neat Indiana Jones bullwhips, maybe? And the hat... Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: ensorama...@ntlworld.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words G'Day Graham A side arm would help =) Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of ensorama...@ntlworld.com Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 6:03 PM Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words Hi All, A Tucson question. Several mineral/gem dealers in Tucson only sell to the trade I have noticed on other visits. Can anyone advise on what trade documentation you need to show in order to purchase from them. Cheers, Graham, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Anyone have Marvin Kilgores e-mail or phone # please
Please help me get in touch with Marvin, Thanks Bill Hall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Headed to Tucson (Ad)
Hi All I'm headed to Tucson today and will arrive on Wednesday. Hope to see everyone there. I'll be in Room 265-266 of the old Inn Suites; Dave Bunk Minerals. Look me up there everyday from 10 - 6. I will have a few meteorites with me, mostly irons but a large selection of LDG. Prices will range from 25 to 50 cents per gram. My cell is 303-946-1495. -- Mike -- Mike Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 USA 720-949-6220 IMCA 4264 website: www.jensenmeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Anyone have Marvin Kilgores e-mail or phone # please
I need the same seen he not have give to me back the meteorites I have sent to analyzed in Arizona University and its pass years and years without any answer. Shame! Matteo - Original Message - Da : Bill Hall meteorit...@gmail.com A : meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : [meteorite-list] Anyone have Marvin Kilgores e-mail or phone # please Data : Mon, 25 Jan 2010 04:36:44 -0800 Please help me get in touch with Marvin, Thanks Bill Hall __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list M come Meteorite Meteoriti i...@mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.it http://www.mcomemeteorite.org Mindat Gallery http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici http://www.chinellatophoto.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
Hi All, Has anyone seen this article... http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/ An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc. Anyone else make sense of this? Graham, Nr Barwell UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Hi, Well, it's time to close this thread. Thanks to all. One of my favorite was Graham's MeteorWong, though for a different reason. :D Here's my last one. It's pretty dumb and you can see why it didn't make my first post. Meteorzilla: A big monster asteroid. Carl, Meteortyke. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
No Graham, but its a pretty darn good excuse to play with that gorgeous oriented nosecone as pictured in the article (if that is indeed the Middlesborough meteorite and not just a file photo) ;^) gary On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:39 AM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, Has anyone seen this article... http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/ An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc. Anyone else make sense of this? Graham, Nr Barwell UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry Looks like you'll all be recognizing me this time then as I walk round the show Cheers, Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 08:48:23 -0700, you wrote: Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Yes, the ideal society is one in which everyone walks on eggshells, in fear of causing the least offense to anyone in hopes to avoid being murdered on the street. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite word Shrapnel
Hello List I told some people at the Tucson Show this weekend, the root origin the word Shrapnel, some didn't believe me so I'm post this. Fragments from exploding air busting artillery shell is call shrapnel, this is name after English artillery Lieutenant General Henry Shrapnel who invented the antipersonnel projectile first used 1784, and adopted by the British army in 1803. Shrapnel projectiles contained small metal shot with a explosive charge to scatter the shot as well as the shell casing, he improved it this many times, it was called the shrapnel effect. I found some interesting links. http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blshrapnel.htm http://www.shrapnell.co.uk/page11.html Thanks for your time. More photos coming. Keith V Chandler Az. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite word Shrapnel
Hello List I told some people at the Tucson Show this weekend, the root origin the word Shrapnel, some didn't believe me so I'm post this. Fragments from exploding air busting artillery shell is call shrapnel, this is name after English artillery Lieutenant General Henry Shrapnel who invented the antipersonnel projectile first used 1784, and adopted by the British army in 1803. Shrapnel projectiles contained small metal shot with a explosive charge to scatter the shot as well as the shell casing, he improved it this many times, it was called the shrapnel effect. I found some interesting links. http://inventors.about.com/library/inventors/blshrapnel.htm http://www.shrapnell.co.uk/page11.html Thanks for your time. More photos coming. Keith V Chandler Az. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
Hi Gary That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most perfectly oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky few (not me) have some of the casts which were available not long ago...missed out on those :-( Cheers, Graham Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: No Graham, but its a pretty darn good excuse to play with that gorgeous oriented nosecone as pictured in the article (if that is indeed the Middlesborough meteorite and not just a file photo) ;^) gary On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:39 AM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, Has anyone seen this article... http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/ An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc. Anyone else make sense of this? Graham, Nr Barwell UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
Thanks for that information Graham. But of course I must apologize for my blurting out play, for as we all know, scientists actually handle and investigate such specimens in the laboratory, right?;^) gary On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:28 AM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Gary That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most perfectly oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky few (not me) have some of the casts which were available not long ago...missed out on those :-( Cheers, Graham Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: No Graham, but its a pretty darn good excuse to play with that gorgeous oriented nosecone as pictured in the article (if that is indeed the Middlesborough meteorite and not just a file photo) ;^) gary On Jan 25, 2010, at 3:39 AM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, Has anyone seen this article... http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/4852991.Mars_probe_scientists_in_York_to_exa/ An interesting thing to do but I cannot see how that will help identify meteorites on Mars. As we all know, the atmosphere is much thinner so that fresh meteorites would not be ablated in the same way and older ones that have been found are well weathered/changed by wind blown sand etc. Anyone else make sense of this? Graham, Nr Barwell UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Great auctions and items of interest!
Dear List Members, I have two sets of excellent auctions ending over the next two days. I will then be running two special 10-day auctions while attending the Tucson show. When I return, you will find that I have been busy revamping my entire inventory so expect to see a lot of new very rare meteorites and planetary offerings starting on the 4th of February. I think you will be both impressed and amazed at the new offerings. Although I will be leaving the Tucson show early due to other commitments, please check out Michael Blood's auction as I entered a lot of great items with no reserve. http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/TucsonAuction10.html All eBay Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection Team LunarRock IMCA 2185 raremeteori...@yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Oh no, you won't! Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't. I don't allow those things in my home and I won't allow them there either. I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, valpar...@aol.com writes: No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Terminal Velocity vs Cosmic Flaming Velocity
Hi Everyone, One thing I noticed about this Lorton meteorite fall, and perhaps something that some may not have, or failed to mention for some reason or another is a neat little factoid that is rather good for the meteorite world knowledge base when describing the velocity of meteorites as they impact Earth. ...A scientist at the Smithsonian confirmed that it was a meteorite that was probably traveling about 220 m.p.h. when it hit the roof of the doctors’ office, the WaPo said... Now I know this is a simple quote in the newspaper (website), but this is a good thing for meteorites in general because other papers and websites have picked up on this and have reported correctly that the meteorite was not flaming when it impacted! Perhaps more people will realize this when reading all the articles and blog posts that have been circulating the internet. Meteorites aren't flaming when they hit the ground. I did read however in one article by a major newspaper that stated the Lorton meteorite was smoldering. Don't remember where though. Perhaps a misquote, or misinterpretation? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Hi Anne, What if he uses his bullwhip to whip across the room, snare a nice meteorite specimen from the far cabinet, and then grasp it in his hand on the whip's return exclaiming, I'll take it! How much? ;-) You may have to put up signs that read, You Break It, You Bought It! :-) See everyone in Tucson soon! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: valpar...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 1:16 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words Oh no, you won't! Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't. I don't allow those things in my home and I won't allow them there either. I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, valpar...@aol.com writes: No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Oh boy... Politely, and with all due respect... This is a meteorite list, not a gun law list. This is hotly debated and needn't be hashed out here, there are good arguments for both sides of this debate, however I feel it's simply not a subject for the list. Do you guys? Regards, Eric There is no room for guns in a polite society. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Venturing off topic here and to a touch subject with many I am sure, but I would like to add a thought... My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Try to tell her firearms are bad, it probably saved her life, without a doubt, it saved her from severe mental and physical harm. In a world where there is restrictive gun laws and everyday citizens are not allowed to keep firearms, only the law breakers will have them. Does a world full of gun carrying criminals scare you more then law abiding people PROPERLY traind in safe gun handling? Have you ever heard of 2 people getting into a fight and one of them go to a car and get a gun? Have you ever seen 2 guns get into a fight and one of them go to get a person? Guns dont kill, people do. People get stabbed to death all the time, should butter knives be illegal? What about baseball bats? A firearm is a tool just the same as a hammer, an axe or any other object. What makes it bad is the person who holds it. Just my opinions. Hope everyone is doing well, have fun in Tucson, wish I could have made it this year! Greg C. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words To: valpar...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:16 PM Oh no, you won't! Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't. I don't allow those things in my home and I won't allow them there either. I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, valpar...@aol.com writes: No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Don't worry Anne wouldn't dream of it. I'll save that for Tombstone! BTW Not many folks know that Wyatt Earp's family came from a village a few miles from me here in the UK called Melbourne (which also gave it's name to Melbourne, Australia)...there are still many Earp's living there. Regards, Graham impact...@aol.com wrote: Oh no, you won't! Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't. I don't allow those things in my home and I won't allow them there either. I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, valpar...@aol.com writes: No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
I would have to agree 100% with Eric, even if I did add my opinions. To get back onto meteorites, a new meteorite word from me... Meteoritis - the pain you get in your back and neck from working for hours on end cutting, polishing and cleaning meteorites. Greg C. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:33 PM Oh boy... Politely, and with all due respect... This is a meteorite list, not a gun law list. This is hotly debated and needn't be hashed out here, there are good arguments for both sides of this debate, however I feel it's simply not a subject for the list. Do you guys? Regards, Eric There is no room for guns in a polite society. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Which is a lesson to all-- when you go to rape someone, bring your own gun. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Meteoritis - the pain you get in your back and neck from working for hours on end cutting, polishing and cleaning meteorites. A labor of love though Greg, that many of us endure (enjoy), if not from preparing or selling, then from inspecting (adoring). Cheers, from a chronically inflicted Meteoritis casualty gary Greg C. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:33 PM Oh boy... Politely, and with all due respect... This is a meteorite list, not a gun law list. This is hotly debated and needn't be hashed out here, there are good arguments for both sides of this debate, however I feel it's simply not a subject for the list. Do you guys? Regards, Eric There is no room for guns in a polite society. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
is this supposed to be funny? i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be. susan patton imca 1982 - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 10:34:06 -0800 (PST), you wrote: My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Which is a lesson to all-- when you go to rape someone, bring your own gun. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:44:02 -0600, you wrote: is this supposed to be funny? i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be. susan patton No-- it is supposed to be factual. The only reason having a gun stopped her from being raped is that the rapist didn't have a gun. But the more likely someone intent on commiting a crime is to think you might have a gun, the more likely he is to have one himself. And shoot first. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Oh, I get it... Meteor Rights. The right of the people to keep and bear meteorites, shall not be infringed. -Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
let me start by saying, i'm glad your aunt was not raped. it's a terrifying, humiliating and crushing experience. however, you words were directed at rapists, advising them to bring a gun along to what, make sure your efforts were a success? everyone's entitled to their own opinions. mine is, you're a jackass. susan patton imca 1982 - Original Message - From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 12:56 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 12:44:02 -0600, you wrote: is this supposed to be funny? i've missed the humor if it's supposed to be. susan patton No-- it is supposed to be factual. The only reason having a gun stopped her from being raped is that the rapist didn't have a gun. But the more likely someone intent on commiting a crime is to think you might have a gun, the more likely he is to have one himself. And shoot first. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal Velocity vs Cosmic Flaming Velocity
I did read however in one article by a major newspaper that stated the Lorton meteorite was smoldering. Don't remember where though. Perhaps a misquote, or misinterpretation? Probably a reporters poetic license being exercised. :O) geozay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for sale? Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various methods. Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too. Dan Handmade Knives by D. Fronefield Specializing in Meteorites and other exotic materials www.meteorforge.net Hi Gary That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most perfectly oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky few (not me) have some of the casts which were available not long ago...missed out on those :-( Cheers, Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Terminal Velocity vs Cosmic Flaming Velocity
Maybe someone else mentioned this, but on the interview with the dentist, Dr. Ciampi, that NPR aired this weekend, he clearly said that the meteorite wasn't warm either when he [his partner] touched it. Also, the reporter, Audie Cornish, consistently referred to the thing as a meteor despite that Dr. Ciampi called it a meteorite. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=7 At 13:12 25-01-10 Monday, you wrote: I did read however in one article by a major newspaper that stated the Lorton meteorite was smoldering. Don't remember where though. Perhaps a misquote, or misinterpretation? Probably a reporters poetic license being exercised. :O) geozay Randy Korotev Saint Louis, MO koro...@wustl.edu __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 13:08:00 -0600, you wrote: directed at rapists, advising them to bring a gun along to what, make sure your efforts were a success? everyone's entitled to their own opinions. mine is, you're a jackass. 1.) While I may be wrong, I have my doubts that there are many serial rapists who subscribe to this list. 2.) While serial rapists are not likely the most logical thinking, well educated of the population, I think even they grasp the concept my victim may have a gun, therefore my chances are better if I have a gun, too without having me point it out to them. I will concider that I may have been wrong on one or both points if the number of gun crimes suddenly skyrocket after this post. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
There seems to be a lot of misunderstanding about my comment (based on some replies on and off list.) I do not avocate rape and I DID NOT advocate rape. I simply pointed out the flaw in using the idea of being armed as being a panacea. Criminal does X, criminal is defeated my Y. From this, future criminals learn to do Z. The same way criminals learn to try to avoid leaving fingerprints, and clothing fibers... and witnesses. It is simple. If you think someone doesn't have a gun, you tell them give me your money or I'll shoot. If you think someone has a gun, you kill them and take the money off their corpse. (And no, I'm not advocating you to rob and murder people.) While guns don't kill people, people kill people-- GUNS ALSO DON'T MAKE YOU SAFE (not yelling, no itallics) because the bad guy can have a gun, too. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] If Yogi Berra collected meteorites
HI All, In need of another mental distraction from work, I noticed that a famous Yogi Berra quote would apply to meteorite collection if slightly tweeked. So with apologies to the great man himself, here are some other variation that I think preserve some of the spirit of his original mixed message. I knew it would be my biggest piece until I got a bigger one. Nobody goes to the Tucson show anymore. It’s too crowded. It’s pretty expensive, but it doesn’t seem like it. It was hard to purchase any specimens because everyone was too busy buying them. An achondrite ain't worth a chondrite anymore. You wouldn’t have won the eBay auction if I had outbid you. If people don’t want to buy your meteorites, nobody’s going to stop them. It ain’t your till it’s yours. My collection has deep depth. When deciding between two specimens, buy it. If the specimen was perfect, it wouldn’t be. Meteorites ain't what they used to be. I never bought most of the things I did. Ninety percent of meteorite collecting is half luck. Best, Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If Yogi Berra collected meteorites
How about this one: Hey, hey, hey, Boo Boo! I see another meteorite pic-a nic basket over there! What? Wrong Yogi? Sorry, Martin. Carl _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390708/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorwrongs Galore
Dear Friends, Anyone interested in what must be the largest collection of meteorwrongs that is published in beautiful detail in downloadable PDF files, they can go to World most Incredible Mysterious Stones in various volumes that can be found at: http://www.scribd.com/doc/19250265/Vol01-World-Most-Incredible-Mysterious-Stones Someone spent a good bit of time collecting concretions of various types, cutting them open, and photographing them. :-) Have Fun, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nice!
Would you not agree? complete stone http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF3235.jpg Interior from a stone cut in half http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c165/jedisdiamond/DSCF3246.jpg More coming soon. Greg C. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
Hello List, Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight. Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has alien life sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure. I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to show some recognition of the fact that alien life has already been discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought life to this planet. If Davies wants to discover alien life...he should look in a mirror. Here's the link. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html On to Tucson, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 16:42:18 -0500 (EST), you wrote: Hello List, Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight. Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has alien life sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure. The idea isn't that outrageous (or that non-mainstream.) We don't know if non-protien/nucleic acid life exists on Earth or not. It may be a very long shot, but if someone is willing and able to devote their time and resources to searching, more power to them. http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/et_life.shtml http://espanol.astrobio.net/exclusive/3148/the-search-for-life-on-earth http://discovermagazine.com/2007/jul/aliens-among-us __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte. One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified. Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down). http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html Thumb Butte 35º 10.196´N 114° 27.351´ W Mojave County, Arizona, USA Find: 1 March 2008 Ordinary chondrite (H3.8) History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona. Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust. Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): Chondrules have sharp outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is S2. Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86. Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8). Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main mass. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
That has to be one of the coolest meteorite names ever. LOL I want a micro! Congrats to Todd. :) On 1/25/10, Wayne Holmes holm...@frontiernet.net wrote: Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte. One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified. Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down). http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html Thumb Butte 35º 10.196´N 114° 27.351´ W Mojave County, Arizona, USA Find: 1 March 2008 Ordinary chondrite (H3.8) History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona. Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust. Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): Chondrules have sharp outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is S2. Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86. Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8). Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main mass. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
Count, the proposal is not so outlandish. No one thought that organisms could exist without sunlight for photosynthesis before Vinogradskii proposed chemosynthesis in 1890. That was proven in the 1970s by Alvin the submersible when scientists using it first discovered hydrothermal vents and the strange creatures that thrive there. gary On Jan 25, 2010, at 11:42 AM, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello List, Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight. Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has alien life sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure. I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to show some recognition of the fact that alien life has already been discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought life to this planet. If Davies wants to discover alien life...he should look in a mirror. Here's the link. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html On to Tucson, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scanning meteorites to help mars mission?
Hi Dan, I have chased up the original sources of the casts and they are no longer available...unless of course someone on the list knows different...I have been after one for years. Graham Daniel H. Fronefield dfron...@hiwaay.net wrote: So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for sale? Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various methods. Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too. Dan Handmade Knives by D. Fronefield Specializing in Meteorites and other exotic materials www.meteorforge.net Hi Gary That is the actual Middlesborough meteorite...one of the most perfectly oriented meteorites ever found...spectacular...a lucky few (not me) have some of the casts which were available not long ago...missed out on those :-( Cheers, Graham __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
Sounds like a crack problem to me. In all seriousness; Congratulations Todd!, this find is practically in my back yard. I like that the term cold find is being applied to meteorites since I coined it several years ago. It is just a spin on treasure hunting terms wet find and dry find that apply to something which was either found in the water or on land. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA's WISE Eye Spies Near-Earth Asteroid (2010 AB78)
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-028 NASA's WISE Eye Spies Near-Earth Asteroid Jet Propulsion Laboratory January 25, 2010 PASADENA, Calif. -- NASA's Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer, or WISE, has spotted its first never-before-seen near-Earth asteroid, the first of hundreds it is expected to find during its mission to map the whole sky in infrared light. There is no danger of the newly discovered asteroid hitting Earth. The near-Earth object, designated 2010 AB78, was discovered by WISE Jan. 12. The mission's sophisticated software picked out the moving object against a background of stationary stars. As WISE circled Earth, scanning the sky above, it observed the asteroid several times during a period of one-and-a-half days before the object moved beyond its view. Researchers then used the University of Hawaii's 2.2-meter (88-inch) visible-light telescope near the summit of Mauna Kea to follow up and confirm the discovery. The asteroid is currently about 158 million kilometers (98 million miles) from Earth. It is estimated to be roughly 1 kilometer (0.6 miles) in diameter and circles the sun in an elliptical orbit tilted to the plane of our solar system. The object comes as close to the sun as Earth, but because of its tilted orbit, it will not pass very close to Earth for many centuries. This asteroid does not pose any foreseeable impact threat to Earth, but scientists will continue to monitor it. Near-Earth objects are asteroids and comets with orbits that pass relatively close to Earth's path around the sun. In extremely rare cases of an impact, the objects may cause damage to Earth's surface. An asteroid about 10 kilometers (6 miles) wide is thought to have plunged into our planet 65 million years ago, triggering a global disaster and killing off the dinosaurs. Additional asteroid and comet detections will continue to come from WISE. The observations will be automatically sent to the clearinghouse for solar system bodies, the Minor Planet Center in Cambridge, Mass., for comparison against the known catalog of solar system objects. A community of professional and amateur astronomers will provide follow-up observations, establishing firm orbits for the previously unseen objects. This is just the beginning, said Ned Wright, the mission's principal investigator from UCLA. We've got a fire hose of data pouring down from space. On Jan. 14, the WISE mission began its official survey of the entire sky in infrared light, one month after it rocketed into a polar orbit around Earth from Vandenberg Air Force Base in California. By casting a wide net, the mission will catch all sorts of cosmic objects, from asteroids in our own solar system to galaxies billions of light-years away. Its data will serve as a cosmic treasure map, pointing astronomers and telescopes, such as NASA's Spitzer Space Telescope and the upcoming James Webb Space Telescope, to the most interesting finds. WISE is expected to find about 100,000 previously unknown asteroids in our main asteroid belt, a rocky ring of debris between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter. It will also spot hundreds of previously unseen near-Earth objects. By observing infrared light, WISE will reveal the darkest members of the near-Earth object population -- those that don't reflect much visible light. The mission will contribute important information about asteroid and comet sizes. Visible-light estimates of an asteroid's size can be deceiving, because a small, light-colored space rock can look the same as a big, dark one. In infrared, however, a big dark rock will give off more of a thermal, or infrared glow, and reveal its true size. This size information will give researchers a better estimate of how often Earth can expect potentially devastating impacts. We are thrilled to have found our first new near-Earth object, said Amy Mainzer of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. Mainzer is the principal investigator of NEOWISE, a program to mine the collected WISE data for new solar system objects. Many programs are searching for near-Earth objects using visible light, but some asteroids are dark, like pavement, and don't reflect a lot of sunlight. But like a parking lot, the dark objects heat up and emit infrared light that WISE can see. It is great to receive the first of many anticipated near-Earth object discoveries by the WISE system, said Don Yeomans, manager of NASA's Near-Earth Object Program Office at JPL. Analysis of the WISE data will go a long way toward understanding the true nature of this population. JPL manages the WISE mission for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The principal investigator, Edward Wright, is at UCLA. The mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program managed by the Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory, Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace Technologies Corp.,
[meteorite-list] some meteorite words
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Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
An interesting argument, but one that has been refuted many times. The problem is that such occurrences are the exception the the rule, and studies show that, in general, guns actually cause more harm than good; either the people who choose own them are simply twice as likely to commit suicide, or the gun somehow increases the odds of their killing themselves by twofold, but the fact of the matter is that people who keep guns in their houses are significantly more likely to die of both suicide -- and of homicide than are their helpless, unarmed counterparts. Never mind the fact that keeping guns illegal and out of mainstream use has maintained correspondingly low gun-crime rates in European countries. As you can see in the websites below. http://www.guninformation.org/ http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm You've got to put things in context. Just noting one instance where a friend or family member has used a gun to defend his or herself ignores the real issue; and saying crap like guns don't kill people, people kill people is just BS. I'm glad your aunt is safe, but, as has been said, her situation was the exception to the norm. I've seen this around - Glasses don't see, eyes see. By your logic, we should abolish glasses because they really don't do anything to help people see. Ugh. Jason On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Venturing off topic here and to a touch subject with many I am sure, but I would like to add a thought... My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Try to tell her firearms are bad, it probably saved her life, without a doubt, it saved her from severe mental and physical harm. In a world where there is restrictive gun laws and everyday citizens are not allowed to keep firearms, only the law breakers will have them. Does a world full of gun carrying criminals scare you more then law abiding people PROPERLY traind in safe gun handling? Have you ever heard of 2 people getting into a fight and one of them go to a car and get a gun? Have you ever seen 2 guns get into a fight and one of them go to get a person? Guns dont kill, people do. People get stabbed to death all the time, should butter knives be illegal? What about baseball bats? A firearm is a tool just the same as a hammer, an axe or any other object. What makes it bad is the person who holds it. Just my opinions. Hope everyone is doing well, have fun in Tucson, wish I could have made it this year! Greg C. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.com impact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words To: valpar...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:16 PM Oh no, you won't! Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't. I don't allow those things in my home and I won't allow them there either. I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, valpar...@aol.com writes: No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looming Martian Winter Threatens Spirit Rover
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/24spirit/ Looming Martian winter threatens Spirit rover BY CRAIG COVAULT SPACEFLIGHT NOW January 24, 2010 NASA Headquarters managers face an imminent decision to formally halt further extraction maneuvers by the Mars rover Spirit to conserve electricity and to save the rover's life while it remains stuck in a sand trap 61 million miles from Earth. After six years of roving, Spirit's continued survival on Mars is now an open question as this marvel of robotics, human affection and ingenuity now risks freezing to death in the weeks ahead. Right now there is no assurance we will get through the winter because power predictions are looking quite challenging for the rover sitting at its current attitude, says John Callas, rover project manager at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena Calif. The reality is we are running out of time, Callas tells Spaceflight Now. There is less and less power for the vehicle every day that goes by because we are getting closer and closer to low winter Sun angles, Callas says. Without that power we can not run the heaters positioned in the rover's body beside critical electronics. We are very close to saying that we have tried everything that we could have possibly tried to drive out of the sand trap, says rover principal investigator Steve Squyres of Cornell University. In reality, the issue has changed from whether the rover can be freed ever to rove again. The issue now is whether it can generate enough electric power while stuck to keep from freezing to death in the coming months -- an increasingly dire situation. This critical juncture in the historic dual Mars Exploration Rover (MER) mission to Mars will evoke strong emotions and memories among the hundreds of scientists and engineers who have worked on Spirit and millions of members of the public worldwide. They have followed the adventures of the 384-pound robot and its sister Opportunity as if they were human. If Spirit does survive, the science strategy for the rover as a fixed station should provide extremely important additional discoveries. Spirit can still perform major science that holds the potential of for revealing major details about Mars that would add to Spirit's scientific legacy in a very meaningful and important way, Squyres tells Spaceflight Now. It is as if the now-fixed stationary Spirit has just touched down at another new Mars landing site. Squyres says these include major new data on whether Mars has a solid or liquid core and the acquisition of significantly more high resolution multispectral imagery of the Columbia Hills region of the giant Gusev crater area. Such data have not been obtained previously because it simply takes so long to acquire. But Spirit, if it can survive the coming winter power crisis, is now in a position to obtain such new data. Months of simulation and analysis at JPL, Lockheed Martin and other NASA centers and companies could not solve the unsolvable, how to escape the sand pit with only four rather than six operational wheels. A third wheel is also in question. Spirit has achieved so much and become such a significant vehicle in the history of Mars exploration we owe it to the rover and to ourselves that we are satisfied that we did everything we could possibly have done to get the thing out, says Squyres. But with the onset of Martian winter, a looming power crisis, and a worsening wheel capability it was too risky to trade the benefit of a fixed science lander against trying to drive Spirit out of the bizarre silica powder that overwhelmed its three left wheels last April. Ironically, the discovery of this silica is Spirit's greatest scientific achievement, Squyres tells Spaceflight Now. That is because for such extensive deposits of silica (90 percent pure opaline dioxide) there had to have been lengthy and abundant volcanically-warmed water at the Home Plate location. That cinched conclusions that the Home Plate site where Spirit is stuck was a volcanic fumeral not unlike those at Yellowstone or Lassen National Parks. And some of this water could have been hospitable to Martian life. Spirit's right front wheel, unable to roll for most of the mission, complicated any hope of getting out, but the stuck wheel also made the initial silica discovery. Like a pioneer farmer with a single bottom plow to bust sod, the wheel dragging behind Spirit acted like that pioneer's plow, to turn over the bright white silica material under much darker topsoil. The bad news was months later Spirit's three left wheels fell through a camouflaged crust that concealed a pit of the slick powdery substance that entrapped Spirit. JPL rover drivers would have powered it out of the trap long ago had it been possible to do so. But both of Spirit's front and aft right wheels are inoperable now -- and even the right center may be acting up. Since Spirit is nearing electrical power limits to maneuver at all, it is likely virtually all
[meteorite-list] More Funding Needed to Meet Asteroid Detection Mandate
http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1001/22neo/index.html More funding needed to meet asteroid detection mandate BY STEPHEN CLARK SPACEFLIGHT NOW January 22, 2010 NASA is not doing enough to complete a mandated search for Earth-threatening asteroids and comets because the space agency is not receiving enough money for the problem, according to a National Research Council report. In a report released Friday, scientists said Congress and the administration have not requested or appropriated funding to complete a survey mandated in the NASA Authorization Act of 2005. Called the George E. Brown, Jr., Near-Earth Object Survey, the detection program was tasked with discovering 90 percent of Near-Earth Objects, or NEOs, larger than 140 meters, or 459 feet, by 2020. NEOs of that size would have regional or continental affects if they struck Earth. You have this conflict between having a very small probability of anything bad happening, versus a terrific impact if there is a bad event, said Irwin Shapiro, chairman of the NEO committee from the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics. Congress asked the National Research Council in 2008 to determine the best way to achieve the George Brown survey. If there were really a credible threat, money would flow like water, but it may be too late if we don't do anything preparing ahead of time, Shapiro told Spaceflight Now in a Friday interview. NASA currently spends about $4 million per year searching for NEOs, but accomplishing the George Brown survey by the 2020 deadline is now unattainable. To complete the George Brown survey, you're probably talking about something like $50 million a year, at least to complete it in a reasonable time scale, said Michael A'Hearn, the research committee's vice chairman and an astronomy professor at the University of Maryland, College Park. Knowing where threatening objects are and developing viable mitigation strategies is like buying insurance on your house, Shapiro said. With current technologies, it may take up to a century to find the bulk of the 140-meter class asteroids, according to scientists. There's no way to do it by 2020 now because there's been no funding for it since it was mandated, A'Hearn said. NASA is close to completing the Spaceguard project, another legislative mandate to find 90 percent of NEOs larger than 1 kilometer, or about 3,300 feet, in diameter. Such objects are large enough to have global affects if they impact Earth. More than 6,700 NEOs have been discovered to date, including more than 800 objects greater than 1 kilometer in size, according to a NASA Web site. A'Hearn said there are no known large objects that pose a credible threat to Earth within the next century, but there are plenty of smaller asteroids that still have not been detected. If we were to discover one that is about to hit us, we wouldn't know what to do. In that sense, no one is doing enough, A'Hearn said in an interview Friday. The committee proposed two alternatives, one option that would relatively quickly detect NEOs larger than 140 meters, and another that limits costs but delays the survey. If completion of the survey as close to the original 2020 deadline as possible is considered most important, a space mission conducted in concert with observations using a suitable ground-based telescope is the best approach, the report said. This combination could complete the survey well before 2030, perhaps as early as 2022 if funding were appropriated quickly. A'Hearn said infrared telescopes tailored for asteroid and comet surveys have been proposed to be launched into Earth orbit or a solar orbit near Venus, but none have been selected by NASA. There's nothing in the pipeline, A'Hearn said. The WISE telescope launched by NASA in December is capable of detecting new asteroids, but it won't come close to fulfilling the Brown survey requirements, according to A'Hearn. A cheaper option would be to utilize a large ground-based telescope such as the Large Survey Synoptic Telescope, a U.S.-led observatory to be built in Chile. It would detect all moving objects in the solar systme, as well as transient objects in outer space, Shapiro said. When the LSST facility begins observations around 2016, it could single-handedly complete the George Brown survey. But it would cost about $125 million to modify the telescope for NEO detections, according to Shapiro. In its report, the panel analyzed hypothetical funding levels of $10 million, $50 million and $250 million annually. While $10 million would be insufficient to significantly improve NEO observations, greater funding would permit NASA to accomplish the George Brown survey, albeit up to 10 years late. $50 million per year is enough funding to mount an observation campaign with a ground-based telescope, and the $250 million funding level would allow NASA to develop a spacecraft to detect NEOs, or even pay for missions to demonstrate deflecting asteroids. Whether you
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
Darren and Gary: I agree, it may be a long shot, but one of the problems with science is it's resistance to change. Almost every monumental discovery was met by skepticism if not outright ridicule. Just a few years ago the mere mention of any researcher considering lights or outgassing on the moon would have caused funding cuts, rejection of tenure and likely dismissal. Academic freedom should encompass ideas which are inherently offensive or outrageous. Without that we are condemned to repeat the mistakes of the past and slow our acquisition of the truth. This guy may be totally wrong, but he should be allowed to pursue his ideas. George __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 19:26:04 -0500, you wrote: Darren and Gary: I agree, it may be a long shot, but one of the problems with science is it's resistance to change. Almost every monumental discovery was met by skepticism if not outright ridicule. Right. I'm not going to laugh at the first guy to look for something and not find it. Or the second. Or the tenth. (When it reaches the 500th person looking for what everone else hasn't found, then I point and laugh-- I'm looking at you, BFRO.) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words
Though I disagree with Jason's opinion and would love to debate this issue in a public forum, I'm reasonably sure this has absolutely NOTHING to do with meteorites. Can we please get back on topic...? Regards, Eric On 1/25/2010 4:08 PM, Jason Utas wrote: An interesting argument, but one that has been refuted many times. The problem is that such occurrences are the exception the the rule, and studies show that, in general, guns actually cause more harm than good; either the people who choose own them are simply twice as likely to commit suicide, or the gun somehow increases the odds of their killing themselves by twofold, but the fact of the matter is that people who keep guns in their houses are significantly more likely to die of both suicide -- and of homicide than are their helpless, unarmed counterparts. Never mind the fact that keeping guns illegal and out of mainstream use has maintained correspondingly low gun-crime rates in European countries. As you can see in the websites below. http://www.guninformation.org/ http://www.gun-control-network.org/GF01.htm You've got to put things in context. Just noting one instance where a friend or family member has used a gun to defend his or herself ignores the real issue; and saying crap like guns don't kill people, people kill people is just BS. I'm glad your aunt is safe, but, as has been said, her situation was the exception to the norm. I've seen this around - Glasses don't see, eyes see. By your logic, we should abolish glasses because they really don't do anything to help people see. Ugh. Jason On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34 AM, Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com wrote: Venturing off topic here and to a touch subject with many I am sure, but I would like to add a thought... My aunt was almost raped several years ago by a known rapist who broke into her house... the only thing that prevented it was the fact she was able to get to my uncles handgun and defend herself. Try to tell her firearms are bad, it probably saved her life, without a doubt, it saved her from severe mental and physical harm. In a world where there is restrictive gun laws and everyday citizens are not allowed to keep firearms, only the law breakers will have them. Does a world full of gun carrying criminals scare you more then law abiding people PROPERLY traind in safe gun handling? Have you ever heard of 2 people getting into a fight and one of them go to a car and get a gun? Have you ever seen 2 guns get into a fight and one of them go to get a person? Guns dont kill, people do. People get stabbed to death all the time, should butter knives be illegal? What about baseball bats? A firearm is a tool just the same as a hammer, an axe or any other object. What makes it bad is the person who holds it. Just my opinions. Hope everyone is doing well, have fun in Tucson, wish I could have made it this year! Greg C. --- On Mon, 1/25/10, impact...@aol.comimpact...@aol.com wrote: From: impact...@aol.comimpact...@aol.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Some meteorite words To: valpar...@aol.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 1:16 PM Oh no, you won't! Not in Room 230 in the InnSuites, no you won't. I don't allow those things in my home and I won't allow them there either. I agree with Larry. There is no room for guns in a polite society. Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/25/2010 8:45:25 AM Mountain Standard Time, valpar...@aol.com writes: No worries, Graham. You won't need a permit to carry your sidearm. You can carry it in the open. Although many are unable to recognize it, an armed society is a polite society. Paul Swartz Hi Graham: Unfortunately (in my opinion), with a permit, you could walk around the show with a sidearm or a bullwhip. Larry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
[meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
Hi All, For all those who get excited by the aesthetic qualities and beauty of flight marked meteorites I would like to share photographs of an 8kg UNWA which I have been working on. Initially this was covered in caliche and concretions hiding most of what was underneath, although it was possible to tell that it was an almost complete specimen initially covered in thumbprints. It is very weathered with many fractures but remnant fusion crust. It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts. I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. Just imagine what this must have looked like on the day it fell. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
GORGEOUS! Regards, Eric On 1/25/2010 5:16 PM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, For all those who get excited by the aesthetic qualities and beauty of flight marked meteorites I would like to share photographs of an 8kg UNWA which I have been working on. Initially this was covered in caliche and concretions hiding most of what was underneath, although it was possible to tell that it was an almost complete specimen initially covered in thumbprints. It is very weathered with many fractures but remnant fusion crust. It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts. I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. Just imagine what this must have looked like on the day it fell. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Introducing Thumb Butte
Congratulations Todd on the classification and naming of your cold find! What a great name for a meteorite as well Thumb Butte. Way to go! - Forwarded Message From: Wayne Holmes holm...@frontiernet.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 3:06:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte. One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified. Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down). http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html Thumb Butte 35º 10.196´N 114° 27.351´ W Mojave County, Arizona, USA Find: 1 March 2008 Ordinary chondrite (H3.8) History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona. Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust. Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): Chondrules have sharp outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is S2. Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86. Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8). Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main mass. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
Beautiful work Graham! :) Do you have any before photos? Best regards, MikeG On 1/25/10, ensorama...@ntlworld.com ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, For all those who get excited by the aesthetic qualities and beauty of flight marked meteorites I would like to share photographs of an 8kg UNWA which I have been working on. Initially this was covered in caliche and concretions hiding most of what was underneath, although it was possible to tell that it was an almost complete specimen initially covered in thumbprints. It is very weathered with many fractures but remnant fusion crust. It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts. I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. Just imagine what this must have looked like on the day it fell. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
Dear Count, First, one should always be cautious about UK tabloid news and the ways in which they present things. Secondly, before saying somebody is purported to be a physicist, you ought to check him out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies Honestly, I disagree with a lot of Davies ideas on a host of technical things but he has a point here. The Earth has the survivors of microbes that thrived and were wide-spread when the Earth was very different from what it is now. We have microbes who love boiling water, who eat sulfur, who think oxygen is poison, who will never be happy until there's hydrogen sulfide everywhere and the oceans are purple. These ancient forms have been pushed back into the corners of our present environment, reduced in number but hanging on by the skin of their teeth. IF an truly alien microbe or a non-DNA lifeform ever made it to Earth and didn't die instantly, it might well find refuge in an even deeper pocket of out-of-the-way. It could just sit there for billions of years and gripe about this lousy planet. I think Davies' real point is that we DON'T LOOK to see if there is anything (anybody?) there. If you never look, you never find, just like with meteorites. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist Hello List, Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight. Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has alien life sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure. I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to show some recognition of the fact that alien life has already been discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought life to this planet. If Davies wants to discover alien life...he should look in a mirror. Here's the link. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html On to Tucson, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
Graham, I think you absolutely did the right thing. Very nicely done, and a gorgeous stone! Congrats, Robert Woolard On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:16 PM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts. I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Introducing Thumb Butte
Congrats Todd! Looking forward to seeing the info on your other 3 cold finds! - Original Message - From: Jack Schrader schrad...@rocketmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 8:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: Introducing Thumb Butte Congratulations Todd on the classification and naming of your cold find! What a great name for a meteorite as well Thumb Butte. Way to go! - Forwarded Message From: Wayne Holmes holm...@frontiernet.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 3:06:20 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte. One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified. Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down). http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html Thumb Butte 35º 10.196´N 114° 27.351´ W Mojave County, Arizona, USA Find: 1 March 2008 Ordinary chondrite (H3.8) History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona. Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust. Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): Chondrules have sharp outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is S2. Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86. Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8). Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main mass. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
Congrats Todd! Great find. Eric On 1/25/2010 2:06 PM, Wayne Holmes wrote: Congratulations to Todd Parker on his new classification Thumb Butte. One nicely Oriented 104 g specimen H3.8 Chondrite. Todd found this specimen while hunting in the Bullhead/Laughlin area in Mar, 2008. This is the first of Todds 4 new cold finds to be classified. Check out the pictures on my website (first page, scroll down). http://www.meteoritesrock.com/index.html Thumb Butte 35º 10.196´N 114° 27.351´ W Mojave County, Arizona, USA Find: 1 March 2008 Ordinary chondrite (H3.8) History: Mr. Todd Parker found a 104 g stone on a small, alluvium-covered flat just west of Thumb Butte and 4 miles east of Bullhead City, Mojave Co., Arizona. Physical characteristics: The single stone is mostly covered by moderately weathered reddish-brown fusion crust. Petrography (T. Bunch and J. Wittke, NAU): Chondrules have sharp outlines with a mean diameter of ~0.4 mm. Matrix is slightly recrystallzed with some remnant calcic glass. Chondrule mesostasis is clear to turbid and several chondrules are armored with metal and minor FeS. Contains olivine, orthopyroxene, kamacite, FeS, taenite, merrillite, Cl-apatite, chromite and a trace of plagioclase. Fresh interior with reddish staining, weathering grade is W1. Shock level is S2. Mineral compositions: Olivine, Fa17.3 - 24; orthopyroxene, Fs15.7 - 19.1Wo 1.5 - 2.3; taenite Ni = 41.2 wt%; chromite cr# = 86. Classification: Ordinary chondrite (H3.8). Type specimen: 20 g are on deposit at NAU. Mr. Todd Parker holds the main mass. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
Robert, Thanks...I think it is always a difficult decision knowing what to do with a new acquisition. Do you restore, preserve, cut etc etc. This was purchased with the view to cleaning and is not likely to be anything but a very weathered ordinary chondrite but had such aesthetic potential. With some pieces it would be sacrilege to even think of cleaning off their characteristic natural patina, or cutting into oriented flowing crust. Others need delicate preservation to stop them ending up as a pile of rust but without changing their appearance or are such precious material that even touching with a slightly greasy finger would be wrong. I find the whole business of curating a collection quite fascinating. Regards, Graham meteoritefin...@yahoo.com meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Graham, I think you absolutely did the right thing. Very nicely done, and a gorgeous stone! Congrats, Robert Woolard On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:16 PM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts. I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte
Hey Adam, I always like the term I coined Unique Find but yours has a better ring to it. I now use Cold Find too. I never knew who came up with it though. Good to know who to blame :) I like that the term cold find is being applied to meteorites since I coined it several years ago. It is just a spin on treasure hunting terms wet find and dry find that apply to something which was either found in the water or on land. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
Dear Sterling, I agree with you. It was a cheap shot for me to say purported to be a physicist. I regret making the aside and trust, if he hears of the remark, the good Professor Davies will forgive me. The point that I went over the top trying to make is that all life on earth is native to it. If we find a new species here ...it is just that...a new species. When we meet a new form of life off world...it is that which should be called alien. Guido -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Jan 25, 2010 8:50 PM To: countde...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist Dear Count, First, one should always be cautious about UK tabloid news and the ways in which they present things. Secondly, before saying somebody is purported to be a physicist, you ought to check him out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Davies Honestly, I disagree with a lot of Davies ideas on a host of technical things but he has a point here. The Earth has the survivors of microbes that thrived and were wide-spread when the Earth was very different from what it is now. We have microbes who love boiling water, who eat sulfur, who think oxygen is poison, who will never be happy until there's hydrogen sulfide everywhere and the oceans are purple. These ancient forms have been pushed back into the corners of our present environment, reduced in number but hanging on by the skin of their teeth. IF an truly alien microbe or a non-DNA lifeform ever made it to Earth and didn't die instantly, it might well find refuge in an even deeper pocket of out-of-the-way. It could just sit there for billions of years and gripe about this lousy planet. I think Davies' real point is that we DON'T LOOK to see if there is anything (anybody?) there. If you never look, you never find, just like with meteorites. Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 3:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist Hello List, Here's a fellow who must stay so far back in his laboratory at AU that they mail him daylight. Professor Paul Davies, purported to be a physicist, has alien life sitting in the meteorite collection down the hall from him...so to speak..and he makes this idiotic pronouncement. All he accomplished was to show his ignorance of the current science and provide fodder for the argument against tenure. I thought when I read the caption on this release that it was going to show some recognition of the fact that alien life has already been discovered in martian meteorites...albeit dead and fossilized...and that most of his colleagues agree that meteorites brought life to this planet. If Davies wants to discover alien life...he should look in a mirror. Here's the link. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7068765/The-search-for-aliens-should-start-on-Earth-not-outer-space-says-scientist.html On to Tucson, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 482
Hello Everyone, I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482. Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates from the lunar farside. Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside. See for example, http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from the lunar farside? Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside? In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue. Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites
Hi Everyone, I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the questions. I've been reading Meteorites by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of illustrations and great photography. As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it states ...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from comets... Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist, anymore? I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on Earth every year. Yet... We all know that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We know Asteroid 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6 meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee too. These recent meteorite falls have been hunted by a large number of very professional meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had a HUGE 13 kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones recovered. So how big does a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we really know? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The search for aliens should start on Earth not outer space, says scientist
On Mon, 25 Jan 2010 21:43:06 -0500 (EST), you wrote: The point that I went over the top trying to make is that all life on earth is native to it. Unless the first life was native to Mars, or maybe Venus, and hitched a ride here during the Late Heavy Bombardment... If we find a new species here ...it is just that...a new species. When we meet a new form of life off world... it is that which should be called alien. I think the problem is in concidering alien to mean only life from another planet when what he really means is really, really frickin' weird. Something more different from everything living today than _E._coli_ is from Michael Bublé. Something that predates LUCA, as there must once have been such organisms. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Last_universal_ancestor __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
Hi Walter and all, I believe that the lunar farside origin of NWA 482 comes from the linked article below: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa482/nwa482farside.htm Cheers, Frank - Original Message From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:54:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 Hello Everyone, I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482. Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates from the lunar farside. Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside. See for example, http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from the lunar farside? Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside? In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue. Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites
Hello Eric, I'm very sure others on the List will supply you with much better info in short order, but here are 3 quick quotes I found that states that very tiny micrometeorites make it through the atmosphere without burning up. I've read better explanations (it involves the ratio of surface area to weight) but I can't find it right now. Like I said, I know others will explain it better, but perhaps this will be of some interest to you: 1. A meteor, or shooting star is produced by the heating and vaporization of meteoroids which enter earth's atmosphere at high speeds. Most are about the size of a grain of sand. An average of about six per hour can be seen by a patient observer on a clear night. Several times as many may be seen during a meteor shower, when the earth encounters a swarm of meteoroids. 2. Meteorites are the remains of meteoroids which were large enough to survive the trip through the atmosphere, and thus reach the ground after a fiery descent. Micrometeorites are so small that they slow down before burning up, and land gently as dust particles. 3. Small meteors (about 1--10 grams in mass down to almost a nanogram (0.1 gram)) burn up in the Earth’s atmosphere before reaching the ground. Extremely small-sized particles (very fine dust) can make it through the atmosphere unmelted. Meteors larger than about 10 grams are partly melted, but the interior reaches Earth’s surface intact. Best wishes, Robert Woolard --- On Mon, 1/25/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Monday, January 25, 2010, 9:26 PM Hi Everyone, I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the questions. I've been reading Meteorites by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of illustrations and great photography. As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it states ...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from comets... Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist, anymore? I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on Earth every year. Yet... We all know that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We know Asteroid 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6 meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee too. These recent meteorite falls have been hunted by a large number of very professional meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had a HUGE 13 kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones recovered. So how big does a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we really know? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Few more photos added Tucson Show
Hello List Added a few more photos taken today at the show, will keep adding more for the next few week and if I have the time. http://www.flickr.com/photos/46923...@n06/sets/72157623154261599/ Keith V. Chandler AZ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites
Hi, Eric, The Earth collects dust. Not just from meteors and meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere but directly from space. The Earth gravitationally collects solar wind particles, zodaical dust, interplanetary dust, interstellar dust, cometary dust, dust from a variety of sources. Whoops! I left out intergalactic dust... Dust falls in slowly and takes months (or years) to settle to the surface. It can be measured in the layers of ocean sediments and icecap cores. How much dust accumulates is hard to measure, so the amount has been a long-running question. Here's a really good discussion of the dust question: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html although it's in the context of an age of the Earth argument with Creationists. Interplanetary dust is hard to analyse because it's so tiny: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=resources_dustCFID=4156261CFTOKEN=70584526 Here's an interview with Don Brownlee (Mr. Dust): http://euro.astrobio.net/interview/742/extraterrestrial-capture A good summary of all the kinds of dust from out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust Or, just Google interplanetary dust and you will find many, many sources of information on dust infall: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=interplanetary+dust+aq=faql=aqi=oq= then Google interstellar dust and Google zodaical dust and... Space is dusty. The Earth is dusty. And best of all, the Internet is dusty. Lots of information out there. Best of all, you can collect rainwater, then extract the metallic dust from it with magnets. Most of the dust will be human produced smoke dust, but the tiny dull metallic spheres are probably cosmic dust. Every time you walk out the door, you're stepping on cosmic dust. It's everywhere. If you spend a fair amount of time out in the open air, you probably have some cosmic dust incorporated into your body. I'm going to stop now, before I start singing that Joni Mitchell song... Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites Hi Everyone, I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the questions. I've been reading Meteorites by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of illustrations and great photography. As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it states ...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from comets... Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist, anymore? I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on Earth every year. Yet... We all know that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We know Asteroid 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6 meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee too. These recent meteorite falls have been hunted by a large number of very professional meteorite hunters and scientists and yet the TKW of the falls are small except maybe the BC fall. Buzzard Coulee had a HUGE 13 kilo piece http://www.skyriver.ca/astro/bruce/marsden_meteorite%205.JPG that impacted the ground and hundreds of other smaller stones recovered. So how big does a meteoroid have to be to reach the ground? Do we really know? Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] An offer to metlist members
Hey, hope everyone is doing well. I would like to offer you all the chance to ask questions about testing and classification with the person that does it for me. Anthony works as a geologist at Appalachian State University and is a great guy who goes out of his way to help me and I have learned a good deal from him. I would like to share the opportunity for others to pick his brain and hopefully learn a little bit about what is involved with testing and classification of meteorites. He has kindly agreed to do an ongoing QA session on my forum. You will need to sign up to post a question, but Anthony will answer it as he has the time. Feel free to ask him any questions you have about the testing and classification process or just meteorites in general. If he does not have an answer, I am sure he would be able to point you in the right direction. You can find my forum here: http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=wwwmeteoritesto The thread for questions for him is under the Meteorite Discussion section and it titled QA with Anthony I am currently working on the site a bit, but there will be no downtime. Even if you dont want to sign up, stop by and check it out. There is some good info on it and I am working to make it even more educational and informative. While its still fairly new, its moderated by 2 members of the IMCA and has some really great members who are all very nice. Greg C. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites
Hi Sterling, I always enjoy your 'down-to-earth' reasoning! Thank you! :-) Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites Hi, Eric, The Earth collects dust. Not just from meteors and meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere but directly from space. The Earth gravitationally collects solar wind particles, zodaical dust, interplanetary dust, interstellar dust, cometary dust, dust from a variety of sources. Whoops! I left out intergalactic dust... Dust falls in slowly and takes months (or years) to settle to the surface. It can be measured in the layers of ocean sediments and icecap cores. How much dust accumulates is hard to measure, so the amount has been a long-running question. Here's a really good discussion of the dust question: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html although it's in the context of an age of the Earth argument with Creationists. Interplanetary dust is hard to analyse because it's so tiny: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=resources_dustCFID=4156261CFTOKEN=70584526 Here's an interview with Don Brownlee (Mr. Dust): http://euro.astrobio.net/interview/742/extraterrestrial-capture A good summary of all the kinds of dust from out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust Or, just Google interplanetary dust and you will find many, many sources of information on dust infall: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=interplanetary+dust+aq=faql=aqi=oq= then Google interstellar dust and Google zodaical dust and... Space is dusty. The Earth is dusty. And best of all, the Internet is dusty. Lots of information out there. Best of all, you can collect rainwater, then extract the metallic dust from it with magnets. Most of the dust will be human produced smoke dust, but the tiny dull metallic spheres are probably cosmic dust. Every time you walk out the door, you're stepping on cosmic dust. It's everywhere. If you spend a fair amount of time out in the open air, you probably have some cosmic dust incorporated into your body. I'm going to stop now, before I start singing that Joni Mitchell song... Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites Hi Everyone, I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the questions. I've been reading Meteorites by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of illustrations and great photography. As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it states ...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from comets... Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do? And if that the case, then how is it possible to weigh something that doesn't exist, anymore? I've read this in other places as well, some sources say that there is thousands of tons to millions of tons of meteoritic material landing on Earth every year. Yet... We all know that small dust to sand grain sized particles burn up high in the atmosphere, and there is debate on what it takes, or rather how large meteoroids must be to reach the ground and become meteorites. We know Asteroid 2008 TC3 was small but much larger than dust. So if a 3-6 meter asteroid can hit Earth, how small of a piece of debris can make it to Earth through the atmosphere? How big was Whetstone Mountain before entering our atmosphere? There was not much of that piece recovered, and the video showed 3 distinct fragments flying briefly through the field of view of the camera. West Texas was a daylight fireball seen from hundreds of miles away, and it produced a good bit of material. Buzzard Coulee
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 482
Frank Thats a good read on NWA 482. Shawn __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 482
Let me try this again Frank and Listers. Great Link Frank. I am learning alot on this list, but for some reason when I reply to the list I cant forward the list that I was replying to unless I copy and paste like what I did below. Is this what all the listers do when replying to a Listers post? Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] NWA 482 Frank Cressy fcressy at prodigy.net Mon Jan 25 22:49:05 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 Next message: [meteorite-list] Introducing Thumb Butte Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Walter and all, I believe that the lunar farside origin of NWA 482 comes from the linked article below: http://www.catchafallingstar.com/nwa482/nwa482farside.htm Cheers, Frank - Original Message From: Walter Branch waltbranch at bellsouth.net To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, January 25, 2010 6:54:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] NWA 482 Hello Everyone, I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482. Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates from the lunar farside. Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside. See for example, http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from the lunar farside? Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside? In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue. Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New fall in the USA
Hello list, Small Meteorite Crashes Through Doctor’s Office: http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1812791/small_meteorite_crashes_through_doctors_office/ Who lives nearby and could do some interviews about the sightings of this fireball? Perhaps more material is waiting on the streets for hunters ? With best wishes from crater Ries/Germany. Thomas Kurtz -- GRATIS für alle GMX-Mitglieder: Die maxdome Movie-FLAT! Jetzt freischalten unter http://portal.gmx.net/de/go/maxdome01 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts!
Gorgeous stone! Wish I could put that on display in my room! Graham, that seems like buried treasure to me! It looks like it was worth the effort. [Erik] Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 02:38:12 + From: ensorama...@ntlworld.com To: meteoritefin...@yahoo.com CC: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] A Riot of over 300 regmaglypts! Robert, Thanks...I think it is always a difficult decision knowing what to do with a new acquisition. Do you restore, preserve, cut etc etc. This was purchased with the view to cleaning and is not likely to be anything but a very weathered ordinary chondrite but had such aesthetic potential. With some pieces it would be sacrilege to even think of cleaning off their characteristic natural patina, or cutting into oriented flowing crust. Others need delicate preservation to stop them ending up as a pile of rust but without changing their appearance or are such precious material that even touching with a slightly greasy finger would be wrong. I find the whole business of curating a collection quite fascinating. Regards, Graham meteoritefin...@yahoo.com meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Graham, I think you absolutely did the right thing. Very nicely done, and a gorgeous stone! Congrats, Robert Woolard On Jan 25, 2010, at 7:16 PM, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, It has taken many hours slowly removing the caliche without removing remnant crust or creating 'false' regmaglypts. I know some purists would rather see specimens in their 'found' state, but I just couldn't resist trying to bring this ugly duckling back to life. http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx244/Graham-Ensor/8kgUNWA/ Graham, Nr Barwell, UK __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites
Eric, try this: One way to collect micrometeorites is to set a large shallow tray of water outside for a couple days. You should see some residue on the bottom in time. Cover a magnet with Saran wrap, wax paper or some other type of material. Pick up magnetic material in tray with your magnet and set on paper to dry. Observe material with a good- strong microscope. Some of what you see will be spherical balls- those are the micrometeorites. Steve from the nuggetshooter forum(http://www.nuggetshooter.ipbhost.com/index.php?showforum=4) posted that 2 years ago. There were great links and photos but the sites are long gone. I quote, If you're not having any luck hunting macrometeorites, try hunting micrometeorites. You'll never get skunked. Can someone with a microscope try this and post pictures if they can? [Erik] From: gmh...@htn.net To: sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 01:22:09 -0500 CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites Hi Sterling, I always enjoy your 'down-to-earth' reasoning! Thank you! :-) Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb To: Meteorites USA ; Meteorite-list Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 1:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites Hi, Eric, The Earth collects dust. Not just from meteors and meteoroids burning up in the atmosphere but directly from space. The Earth gravitationally collects solar wind particles, zodaical dust, interplanetary dust, interstellar dust, cometary dust, dust from a variety of sources. Whoops! I left out intergalactic dust... Dust falls in slowly and takes months (or years) to settle to the surface. It can be measured in the layers of ocean sediments and icecap cores. How much dust accumulates is hard to measure, so the amount has been a long-running question. Here's a really good discussion of the dust question: http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html although it's in the context of an age of the Earth argument with Creationists. Interplanetary dust is hard to analyse because it's so tiny: http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/simple_template.cfm?code=resources_dustCFID=4156261CFTOKEN=70584526 Here's an interview with Don Brownlee (Mr. Dust): http://euro.astrobio.net/interview/742/extraterrestrial-capture A good summary of all the kinds of dust from out there: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmic_dust Or, just Google interplanetary dust and you will find many, many sources of information on dust infall: http://www.google.com/search?hl=enq=interplanetary+dust+aq=faql=aqi=oq= then Google interstellar dust and Google zodaical dust and... Space is dusty. The Earth is dusty. And best of all, the Internet is dusty. Lots of information out there. Best of all, you can collect rainwater, then extract the metallic dust from it with magnets. Most of the dust will be human produced smoke dust, but the tiny dull metallic spheres are probably cosmic dust. Every time you walk out the door, you're stepping on cosmic dust. It's everywhere. If you spend a fair amount of time out in the open air, you probably have some cosmic dust incorporated into your body. I'm going to stop now, before I start singing that Joni Mitchell song... Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA To: Meteorite-list Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:26 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dumb Questions About Meteors Meteorites Hi Everyone, I'm not too sure how to broach the subject without stepping on toes, so I say this will all due respect to everyone who would be offended by the questions. I've been reading Meteorites by Caroline Smith, Sara Russell, and Gretchen Benedix, Firefly Books, 2009. Lovely book, with lots of information on meteorites, their origins, and composition, with loads of illustrations and great photography. As I was flipping through I found a mention about the total weight of meteoritic material which falls on our planet every year. On page 89 it states ...approximately 40,000-60,000 t of extraterrestrial material lands on Earth every year, the majority of which is in the form of tiny dust grains usually less than 1 mm (1/25 in) in size; importantly, most of this dust is believed to originate from comets... Doesn't this go against what science tells us about meteor showers? Don't the particles and sand-grain sized particles burn up in the atmosphere like science tells us they do? And if they don't burn up completely why does just about every text on meteors say they do?
