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Re: [meteorite-list] NEO 2010 CR5 - Greg Hupe co-discovery!
Congratulations indeed. That's awesome! Great work Greg and Richard! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." To: ; "Greg Hupe" Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 7:33 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] NEO 2010 CR5 - Greg Hupe co-discovery! Congratulations, Greg, on your NEO codiscovery! A Minor Planet Electronic Circular was posted for it a little while ago: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K10/K10C44.html Based on the preliminary orbit, this is an earth-crossing (and Mars-crossing) Apollo asteroid. At H=22.3, the size is somewhere from 110-190 meters depending on how dark the NEO is. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion
Hi all, Thanks for everyone's input. Firstly, Robert... one of the initial thoughts I had was exactly the same in regards to the silver streaks on Ash Creek. Maybe it is a related type of feature. And Mark, you're not really mistaken. Mine appears on the surface of the trailing side of the oriented individual. I say surface and not crust because it does look like an interior metallic inclusion which is showing through and coloured. Gary's awesome pic of his L3 with the interior inclusion is very much like mine but on a smaller scale. It could be quite possible that they are one and the same thing so maybe it is a result of oxidation and not an ablation thing. Has there been any documentation of metallic inclusions in Buzzard Coulee? (i.e. Fe/Ni, FeS, etc) In other falls like Bensour, this was specifically mentioned in the classification data. It would seem there are quite a few people who have noticed them in Buzzard stones now too. John's suggestion of Bornite is very interesting. I had never actually heard of it before, but it does look VERY much like that. A brilliant iridescent blue. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=Bornite When I googled Bornite and meteorites, the Meteorites Knowledge Base came up as a hit. It lists it as "terrestrially weathered iron meteorite mineral". http://www.site.uottawa.ca:4321/meteorites/index.html#bornite So if this is an oxidation thing as a few have suggested now, I'm wondering if it happened on the ground or during ablation in the disturbed wake at the back of the stone and in the bottom of an indent? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Mark Bowling" To: Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9,2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion I must have been mistaken, I thought somebody was talking about coloration on crust and not interior features Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: Gary Fujihara To: Jeff Kuyken Cc: Bernd Pauli ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 7:21:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Aloha Jeff, Bernd, et al, I am at a conference now and have limited access to email, but was informed of this interesting anomalous inclusion in Jeff's Buzzard Coulee meteorite. My friend and partner of the NWA (~L3, W0/1) has identified a similar feature in one of my slices. Please have a look at my 20.11g full slice to see this blue feature in the middle of a troilite inclusion: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/614g/_20.11b.jpg Because this is from the interior of the meteorite, it should dispel any theory of fusion reaction during ablative flight. gary On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi Bernd & all, Maybe it's possible but it's about 150X bigger than my Isheyevo Hibonite-bearing CAI or chondrule. Probably too big? Actually, I wish you could see this feature in person Bernd. The best way I can describe it is to say that is looks just like the iridescent blue colour of a Peacocks feather. I was sent a pic off list by another collector who has a similar smaller feature on a very fresh NWA (~L3, W0/1). There is a brassy yellow one (troilite?) with a smaller blue one like mine next to it. Both look like melted metal on the surface. I know Mark had one other much larger Buzzard with a similar thing too. Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Larry & Twink Monrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9,2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Subject: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Hello Jeff K., Michael J., Zelimir and List, I am wondering if this blue metallic inclusion in Jeff's Buzzard Coulee might be one of these hibonites that Zelimir showed us and that Jeff Grosman identified for us. This made me think of the MUCH-1 and "Blue Angel" inclusions in Murchison (both of them hibonite-bearing aggregates). http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_9_2010.html Jeff, sincere congrats on such a fine Buzzard Coulee! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Space rocks land tourists in Sudanese jail
One of the common questions I've heard around The Show in Tucson has been if anyone has an update about these Europeans taken into custody in the Sudan. http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2010/01/20/2796743.htm I haven't and no one I spoke to has any info either. It's now 7 or 8 weeks since they were arrested. Does anyone have any additional information? Does anyone even know their identities? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow ..... Tunguska?
Martin and List, Thank you for the link about Tunguska event and how that might be causing global temperatures to rise in recent times. Here is a link on a paper written by Vladimir Shaidurov suggesting that Tunguska might be to blame for global warming. http://www.math.le.ac.uk/RESEARCH/APPLIED/VISITORS/MA-05-15--shaidurov.pdf Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Dark Matter freequarks at gmail.com Thu Feb 11 17:08:36 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hits Mexico Leaving 30 Meter Crater in Ahuazotepec Municipality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Yea. But I just wish Montana used the same sun as everyone else. It's been balmy here and our snowpacks are at record lows. There is green grass out my window right now. Seeing bald mountains, unfrozen lakes, and ice free rivers in Montana in February is a little unnerving. Not to mention the college students in shorts and tee shirts. (I didn't mean that how it sounded) Ahh, but what about meteorites you say? Here's a link that made the rounds four years ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060314170208.htm As I see it, Tunguska was 1908, and Sikhote-Alin was 1947 so we are about 24 years overdue for another big trundra melter. -Martin On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, John higgins wrote: > I think the cause of the extremely cold winter is due to the extreme Solar > Minimum. The climate on Earth is directly affected by the activities of the > Sun. Look into solar cycles, and the effect on climate change, there is more > to it than you would think. > > John Higgins > > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Next message: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hits Mexico Leaving 30 Meter Crater in Ahuazotepec Municipality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow GREG LINDH geeg48 at msn.com Thu Feb 11 13:54:40 EST 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Next message: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] E.P. Grondine, Exactly what does your "politically correct" posting about "global warming" have to do with the subject of this List, namely, METEORITES? Greg Lindh > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:57:16 -0800 > From: epgrondine at yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow > > Hi all - > > http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/why-the-us-and-much-of-europe-are-shivering-in-the-cold.ars > > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impact in the Americas > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Previous message: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Next message: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February11, 2010
Mr Hupe, you Rock!How can I keep up with you? It's not enough anymore to find a meteorite or two. Now I gotta buy a telescope - a really big one! On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Linton Rohr wrote: > Thanks for clarifying that, Richard. > I just didn't want to imply you guys were slacking off up there! ;^) > I'd bet good money that Greg was thrilled to get three! > And hey, thanks again for signing my Alamata Sita. > That was most kind of you. > Linton > > - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" > To: "meteorite list" > Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:09 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - > February11, 2010 > > > Unfortunately for Greg, the night was plagued with a number of problems so > he didn't get a full night. > > The three rocks he got, 2010 CJ1, 2010 CM1 & 2010 CR5 were picked up during > a 4 hour window where the telescope, software and weather all cooperated. > > Linton, 3 new NEOs in one night isn't that much out of the ordinary. We've > been clouded out much of this year, so I suspect over the next two weeks, > with the forecast for clear skies (finally) we'll see 5 or more new NEOs > each and every night. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Linton Rohr wrote: > >> From: Linton Rohr >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - >> February 11, 2010 >> To: "Greg Hupe" >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:33 PM >> Very cool, Greg! >> That would have amazing even without finding any NEO's, >> but to find three? Wow! >> Glad you got the chance to go. Kudos to Richard! >> By the way, are any of these heading for my back yard? >> >> Linton >> >> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html >> >> >> __ >> >> >> Thumbed On My BlackBerry >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Seeking info on the Salla Meteorite
Hi Mike, Grady's Catalogue of Meteorites lists 4 known references/papers on the meteorite. One is in Meteoritics, one in GCA, one in a Finnish journal, and another. You might check those for clues, if you didn't already. Best regards, MikeG On 2/11/10, Mike Bandli wrote: > Dear List: > > I am doing a short write-up on the Salla meteorite and have found several > old Met-list posts suggesting that Salla may have been a witnessed fall from > the 19th Century. I am looking for any articles or publications that support > this idea or where the idea originally came from. > > Thanks for your help! > > --- > Mike Bandli > Historic Meteorites > www.HistoricMeteorites.com > IMCA #5765 > --- > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Seeking info on the Salla Meteorite
Dear List: I am doing a short write-up on the Salla meteorite and have found several old Met-list posts suggesting that Salla may have been a witnessed fall from the 19th Century. I am looking for any articles or publications that support this idea or where the idea originally came from. Thanks for your help! --- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Layers in a Mars Crater Record a History of Changes
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2010-044 Layers in a Mars Crater Record a History of Changes Jet Propulsion Laboratory February 11, 2010 PASADENA, Calif. -- Near the center of a Martian crater about the size of Connecticut, hundreds of exposed rock layers form a mound as tall as the Rockies and reveal a record of major environmental changes on Mars billions of years ago. The history told by this tall parfait of layers inside Gale Crater matches what has been proposed in recent years as the dominant planet-wide pattern for early Mars, according to a new report by geologists using instruments on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. "Looking at the layers from the bottom to the top, from the oldest to the youngest, you see a sequence of changing rocks that resulted from changes in environmental conditions through time," said Ralph Milliken of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. "This thick sequence of rocks appears to be showing different steps in the drying-out of Mars." Using geological layers to understand stages in the evolution of a planet's climate has a precedent on Earth. A change about 1.8 billion years ago in the types of rock layers formed on Earth became a key to understanding a dramatic change in Earth's ancient atmosphere. Milliken and two co-authors report in Geophysical Research Letters that clay minerals, which form under very wet conditions, are concentrated in layers near the bottom of the Gale stack. Above that, sulfate minerals are intermixed with the clays. Sulfates form in wet conditions and can be deposited when the water in which they are dissolved evaporates. Higher still are sulfate-containing layers without detectable clays. And at the top is a thick formation of regularly spaced layers bearing no detectable water-related minerals. Rock exposures with compositions like various layers of the Gale stack have been mapped elsewhere on Mars, and researchers, including Jean-Pierre Bibring of the University of Paris, have proposed a Martian planetary chronology of clay-producing conditions followed by sulfate-producing conditions followed by dry conditions. However, Gale is the first location where a single series of layers has been found to contain these clues in a clearly defined sequence from older rocks to younger rocks. "If you could stand there, you would see this beautiful formation of Martian sediments laid down in the past, a stratigraphic section that's more than twice the height of the Grand Canyon, though not as steep," said Bradley Thomson of the Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory, Laurel, Md. He and John Grotzinger of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena are Milliken's co-authors. NASA selected Gale Crater in 2008 as one of four finalist sites for the Mars Science Laboratory rover, Curiosity, which has a planned launch in 2011. The finalist sites all have exposures of water-related minerals, and each has attributes that distinguish it from the others. This new report is an example of how observations made for evaluating the landing-site candidates are providing valuable science results even before the rover mission launches. Three instruments on NASA's Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter have provided key data about the layered mound in Gale Crater. Images from the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment camera reveal details used to map hundreds of layers. Using stereo pairs of the images, the U.S. Geological Survey has generated three-dimensional models used to discern elevation differences as small as a meter (about a yard). Observations by the Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer for Mars yielded information about minerals on the surface. The Context Camera provided broader-scale images showing how the layers fit geologically into their surroundings. Thomson said, "This work demonstrates the synergy of the instruments on the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter. We wouldn't have as complete a picture if we were missing any of the components." The mission has been studying Mars since 2006. It has returned more data from the planet than all other Mars missions combined. More information about this mission is at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, provided and operates the Context Camera. Johns Hopkins University Applied Physics Laboratory provided and operates the Compact Reconnaissance Imaging Spectrometer. The University of Arizona Lunar and Planetary Laboratory, Tucson, operates the High Resolution Imaging Science Experiment, which was built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. JPL, a division of Caltech, manages the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, Denver, is the prime contractor for the project and built the spacecraft. Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov Michael Buckley 240-228-7536 Johns Hopkins University Applied Phys
Re: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow
Yea. But I just wish Montana used the same sun as everyone else. It's been balmy here and our snowpacks are at record lows. There is green grass out my window right now. Seeing bald mountains, unfrozen lakes, and ice free rivers in Montana in February is a little unnerving. Not to mention the college students in shorts and tee shirts. (I didn't mean that how it sounded) Ahh, but what about meteorites you say? Here's a link that made the rounds four years ago. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2006/03/060314170208.htm As I see it, Tunguska was 1908, and Sikhote-Alin was 1947 so we are about 24 years overdue for another big trundra melter. -Martin On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:55 PM, John higgins wrote: > I think the cause of the extremely cold winter is due to the extreme Solar > Minimum. The climate on Earth is directly affected by the activities of the > Sun. Look into solar cycles, and the effect on climate change, there is more > to it than you would think. > > John Higgins > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February11, 2010
Thanks for clarifying that, Richard. I just didn't want to imply you guys were slacking off up there! ;^) I'd bet good money that Greg was thrilled to get three! And hey, thanks again for signing my Alamata Sita. That was most kind of you. Linton - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 1:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February11, 2010 Unfortunately for Greg, the night was plagued with a number of problems so he didn't get a full night. The three rocks he got, 2010 CJ1, 2010 CM1 & 2010 CR5 were picked up during a 4 hour window where the telescope, software and weather all cooperated. Linton, 3 new NEOs in one night isn't that much out of the ordinary. We've been clouded out much of this year, so I suspect over the next two weeks, with the forecast for clear skies (finally) we'll see 5 or more new NEOs each and every night. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Linton Rohr wrote: From: Linton Rohr Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 11, 2010 To: "Greg Hupe" Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:33 PM Very cool, Greg! That would have amazing even without finding any NEO's, but to find three? Wow! Glad you got the chance to go. Kudos to Richard! By the way, are any of these heading for my back yard? Linton http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html __ Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 11, 2010
Unfortunately for Greg, the night was plagued with a number of problems so he didn't get a full night. The three rocks he got, 2010 CJ1, 2010 CM1 & 2010 CR5 were picked up during a 4 hour window where the telescope, software and weather all cooperated. Linton, 3 new NEOs in one night isn't that much out of the ordinary. We've been clouded out much of this year, so I suspect over the next two weeks, with the forecast for clear skies (finally) we'll see 5 or more new NEOs each and every night. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Linton Rohr wrote: > From: Linton Rohr > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February > 11, 2010 > To: "Greg Hupe" > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 1:33 PM > Very cool, Greg! > That would have amazing even without finding any NEO's, > but to find three? Wow! > Glad you got the chance to go. Kudos to Richard! > By the way, are any of these heading for my back yard? > > Linton > > http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html > > > __ > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Kainsaz, Orgueil, and more
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Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?
Interesting that reports of a 30 meter crater was created, but USGS real time earthquake reporting doesn't show any event near the reported impact site... One would imagine such an impact would have set off the seismometers, no? Patiently waiting for video... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas? > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 12:41 PM > http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/11/breaking-mexican-meteorite-impact/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Well, I'M terribly inspired!
Looks like a nice polished window has already been made. Interesting that they didn't show the interior to the camera. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Darren Garrison wrote: > From: Darren Garrison > Subject: [meteorite-list] Well, I'M terribly inspired! > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 2:00 PM > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8509771.stm > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow
I think the cause of the extremely cold winter is due to the extreme Solar Minimum. The climate on Earth is directly affected by the activities of the Sun. Look into solar cycles, and the effect on climate change, there is more to it than you would think. John Higgins - Original Message From: GREG LINDH To: epgrond...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 1:54:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow E.P. Grondine, Exactly what does your "politically correct" posting about "global warming" have to do with the subject of this List, namely, METEORITES? Greg Lindh > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:57:16 -0800 > From: epgrond...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow > > Hi all - > > http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/why-the-us-and-much-of-europe-are-shivering-in-the-cold.ars > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impact in the Americas > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Well, I'M terribly inspired!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 11, 2010
Very cool, Greg! That would have amazing even without finding any NEO's, but to find three? Wow! Glad you got the chance to go. Kudos to Richard! By the way, are any of these heading for my back yard? Linton http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html __ Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NEO 2010 CR5 - Greg Hupe co-discovery!
Congratulations, Greg, on your NEO codiscovery! A Minor Planet Electronic Circular was posted for it a little while ago: http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/mpec/K10/K10C44.html Based on the preliminary orbit, this is an earth-crossing (and Mars-crossing) Apollo asteroid. At H=22.3, the size is somewhere from 110-190 meters depending on how dark the NEO is. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Russian meteorites-- don't take them for granite!
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gHt4NoeWwYXIjlcyAaDowvFEK-FA Russia nabs meteorite smuggling ring (AFP) 7 hours ago MOSCOW Amid a huge bounty of contraband goods seized recently at a Russian airport, one far-out find floored customs officials: chunks of meteorite. "On the customs declaration, the smugglers identified it as granite for construction and decoration of office space," Larisa Ledovskikh, a spokeswoman for customs at Moscow's Domodedovo airport, told AFP on Thursday. "But our officials could see it was clearly not granite!" The two smugglers -- who also tried to ship out silver antiques, fossils, semi-precious stones, microscopes and old books in the suspect cargo -- were initially charged with making a false declaration on their customs form. Only after a three-month investigation did officials discover that the mystery lumps were fragments from outer space and the men part of a larger crime ring including experts and scientists, Ledovskikh said. "They were part of an organized criminal gang. They had worked out a plan in advance to smuggle out of Russian territory and to the Czech Republic... two meteorite chunks, each weighing 100 grams," she said. The two men were arrested on Sunday and charged with contraband, a sentence that carries a maximum of 12 years in prison in Russia. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Maybe a Mexican Carancas?
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2010/02/11/breaking-mexican-meteorite-impact/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Hits Mexico Leaving 30 Meter Crater in Ahuazotepec Municipality
Hi List: Is this old, or did it just occur? Greg S. http://newsolio.com/meteor-hits-mexico-leaving-30-meter-crater-in-ahuazotepec-municipality,5224 Meteorite Hits Mexico Leaving 30 Meter Crater in Ahuazotepec Municipality A meteorite has smashed into the ground in Mexico, leaving a 30 meter (100 feet) wide crater, reports said. The meteorite impact was in the Ahuazotepec Municipality in Central Mexico between the cities of Puebla and Hidalgo. The precise impact area of the meteorite was in a relatively unpopulated area and hit around 6.30pm local time, Mexican media said. The Ahuazotepec, Mexico meteorite impact was so massive it broke windows in homes many kilometers from the epicenter and people reported buildings swaying and mass confusion. Other reports said the Mexico meteorite impact partially damaged a road and a bridge. The Mexican military was called in to lock down the area where the apparent space rock slammed into the ground. Initial fears where that the impact was a aircraft crashing to the ground, but that report was later dismissed. The Central Mexico meteorite event was witnessed by countless people in the region of the impact, with people as far away as Mexico City saying they saw the burning object enter the atmosphere. Article © Crazy News Media – All Rights Reserved. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow
E.P. Grondine, Exactly what does your "politically correct" posting about "global warming" have to do with the subject of this List, namely, METEORITES? Greg Lindh > Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 09:57:16 -0800 > From: epgrond...@yahoo.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow > > Hi all - > > http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/why-the-us-and-much-of-europe-are-shivering-in-the-cold.ars > > E.P. Grondine > Man and Impact in the Americas > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cause of the current snow
Hi all - http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2010/01/why-the-us-and-much-of-europe-are-shivering-in-the-cold.ars E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - June 2009
Very Nice website. I like your clean and clear meteorite photographs. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Matter Arising - Last Post
Dear Peter and List Members, As I was the first Listee to post a negative observation of the sctivity depicted in the photos and at the same time identify myself as a teaching member of an organization that is quite often mis-characterized in the main stream media and the halls of academia, I was offended by the draping of a stereotypical coat about my shoulders. It is said that "if the coat fits, then wear it". In this case it does indeed fit as I really should have refrained from criticizing the photos on List and done it privately. I was relieved to read Peter's unnecessary mea culpa as he has earned and is entitled to the respect of all who are occupied and are infatuated with meteorites. This List would have been the lesser without his continuing participation. His "kids" and the National Museums Scotland - Mineral Collection are fortunate to have him as Curator. Scout's honor I will not post off topic. Sincerely, Count Guido Deiro IMCA 3536 P.S. Just one little aside, Peter. I am happily married these 42 years to Joan Marlene Colquhoun, a fair maid of Luss, who has prevailed in getting me to often visit your lush and beautiful land, enjoy the pipes, wear her tartan on occasion and eat haggis...me being an Italian! -Original Message- >From: Peter Davidson >Sent: Feb 11, 2010 7:37 AM >To: Meteorite List >Subject: [meteorite-list] Matter Arising - Last Post > >Dear List Members > >When I posted my original message under the title "Matters Arising", I >expected a big response and in that respect I have not been disappointed. I >would like to thank every one of you that took the trouble to reply. There >were a lot of interesting comments and quite a few suggestions, but I will >keep it clean. >What did surprise me, and I don't know why it did, was the overwhelmingly >positive response. I would say the between 90 and 95% was positive and >supportive. Many of you replied off-list and I have tried to reply to each of >you in a like manner, If I have missed anyone out, please forgive me but there >are only so many hours in a working-day. >Following on from the critical messages, I would just like to publically >apologise if I caused any offence. I was guilty of utilising some very crass, >and inappropriate stereotypes - as a Scot, I am well aware of the many >negative stereotypes that exist for us - and I should have used more >considered language. This rankles particularly as I am always lecturing (or >should that be hectoring) my kids about adopting stereotypes to categorise >groups of people. Do as I say, not as I do! >I hope that with this message, we can draw a line under this topic and can I >urge all list members to please, please, please keep your postings on-topic >and on-message. > >Best Wishes > >Peter Davidson >Curator of Minerals > >National Museums Collection Centre >National Museums Scotland >242 West Granton Road >Edinburgh >EH5 1JA >Phone: +44 131 247 4283 >p.david...@nms.ac.uk >www.nms.ac.uk > > > >Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum >of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker > >National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 >This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the >addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The >statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and >do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is >subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) >Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your >systems or data by this message. >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New Paper About Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis
A new paper about the Younger Dryas Impact Hypothesis has appeared in the journal Geomorphlogy. It is: Mahaney, W. C., V. Kalm, D. H. Krinsley, P. Tricart, S. Schwartz, J. Dohm, K. J. Kim, B. Kapran, M. W. Milner, R. Beukens, S. Boccia, R. G. V. Hancock, K. M. Hart, and B. Kelleher, 2010, Evidence from the northwestern Venezuelan Andes for extraterrestrial impact: The black mat enigma. Geomorphology. vol. 116, no. 1-2, pp. 48-57. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.geomorph.2009.10.007 Not quite sure what to make of it yet. Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FOR SALE: L@@K ON EBAY #120526997613 ENDING TONIGHT! (12) Different Meteorites in (15) displays/packages!!
Hi All, I have some great items ending later tonight. I still have the (12) different Meteorites in (15) displays/packages FOR SALE. Price has been re-adjusted again to sell these babies TONIGHT! Use the BUY IT NOW feature on this one! Item #120526997613 on ebay. Alsohave a very rare Austrian Meteorite Stamp up for sale. The stamp that has the Meteorite dust/bits infused into the tail of the Meteor on the front of the stamp!! Very hard to find these---even on Ebay. Check for yourself!! Will ship for FREE if you use the BUY IT NOW feature and live in the USA!! Item #120529140106 And finally---also ending tonight---for all of you METEORITE & FOOTBALL FANS out there! (I know you're out there!!) I have a very nice personally signed 8x10 photo of BRETT FAVRE that has been nicely matted and framed in an 11x14 frame. Framed item also comes with 5 great original 1997 Upper Deck Super Bowl football cards placed into the frame to make it look like a plaque! And it indeed has a rock solid COA!! This is priced to sell too!! Item #120527000777 Thank you All, Kirk.. - Original Message - From: "Becky and Kirk" To: Sent: Friday, February 05, 2010 9:43 AM Subject: Re: FOR SALE: L@@K ON EBAY #120526997613 (12) Different Meteorites in (15) displays/packages!! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] SAU 290 & L3 blue inclusion
Hi Jeff, Thanks Jeff for your very interesting and expertized statements on SAU 290. Since I read them, I am also starting to consider my 7.93 g end section just a little more significant than a simple or rare collection curiosity. Thanks also for providing Gary's close-up of the blue inclusion in his L3. Even if magnified, it is difficult to guess (from the pic) whether it has a metallic luster or it is rather a "blue stony" (glassy ?) inclusion. I suggest Gary examines it at different reflection angles under magnification to possibly answer that question, namely to discriminate between a hibonite-bearing inclusion (or alike) and some Cu-Fe sulfide (or any other blue metallic phase). (Btw, thank you and Peter for your kind comments). Side note: I'd also like to answer Jeff Grossman's comments regarding the "blue chondrule" we had found in TNZ 082. Jeff wrote (post sent Feb 7): important? There is current research on hibonite in CMs, e.g. http://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S0016703709003251. I would contact somebody like Andy Davis at U. Chicago, a coauthor on this paper, and get his opinion if you're thinking of donating this to science>. That fragment of TNZ 082 was broken in Munich by the team of Philippe Schmitt-Kopplin with whom we collaborate to investigate the presence of organic extraterrestrial molecules (PAH's & O-, N- or S-substitutes) in a series of CM2's, among which TNZ 082 and others. (Btw, our first paper on Murchison is almost out of press. We were notified the the "embargo" on that publication will end beginning next week; I'll then send you the link). Jeff, I have notified my German colleagues of your wise suggestion to contact the U. Chicago team. They answered me that they are right now being analyzing that inclusion by microprobe just to determine the elemental composition. Microprobe being a non-destructive technique (the sample won't be gold-coated), they agreed that, if of interest, the chondrule could then be sent as such for further investigation to some other lab. In such a case, we will get in contact with Andy Davis' team. Many thanks for the suggestion and for all your comments. Kind regards to all (from the very snowy and cold Alsace, France; apparently, seems we must go above the Polar Circle to get mild weather...?) Zelimir At 14:30 11/02/2010, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Just trying to catch up on some meteorite stuff! I always thought this one was a bit of an "ugly duckling" but after browsing through a few abstracts I now find myself looking at this one in a different light. http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/june2009.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 11, 2010
Congratulations are in order for Greg. How cool! John At 06:05 AM 2/11/2010, mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_11_2010.html __ Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Regards, John Gwilliam Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple. [Bob Dylan] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Buzzard Coulee specimens with Canadian Export Permits
Hello List, As the incredible Tucson Show comes near a close I still have some fine Buzzard Coulee Specimens. They can be seen at KD Meteorites Room 103 at the Inn Suites for those still at the show. It truly has been a honor and a pleasure meeting so many great people. Many Thanks, Mark Murphy IMCA# 6216 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite - June 2009
Just trying to catch up on some meteorite stuff! I always thought this one was a bit of an "ugly duckling" but after browsing through a few abstracts I now find myself looking at this one in a different light. http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/june2009.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion
Thanks to Zelimir and Peter for their time and input. It certainly sounds like a very reasonable theory to me. I just wanted to share this extra picture which Gary has just given me permssion to post. Thanks Gary. It is a closeup of the inclusion in his L3 slice. http://www.meteorites.com.au/images/blueinclusiondetail.jpg Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Peter Davidson" To: "Zelimir Gabelica" ; "Jeff Kuyken" ; "Meteorite List" Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 11:25 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Hi Guys Zelimir, your reasoning is very sound. There are many minerals that, though they are not normally blue, often exhibit a tarnish that can appear blue. I doubt if bornite is the mineral in question - though without examining the material in close-up it is impossible to say. Chalcopyrite is a stronger possibility. We, in our collections, have a few very fine samples of what is sometimes called "Peacock Ore". This is chalcopyrite that has been tarnished and can appear in a rainbow of colours - as the name suggests - but it can be bright blue. Bornite can tarnish as well and, indeed, some specimens on the market that are marketed as bornite are acid treated chalcopyrite. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir Gabelica Sent: 11 February 2010 11:38 To: Jeff Kuyken; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Hi Jeff, all, The presence of Bornite inclusions in BC as suggested by John and you, is indeed interesting. As a mineral collector familiar with various shades exhibited by metallic minerals, indeed Bornite, typically bluish, is the first to come in mind. But I also have in collection quite a few Chalcopyrites showing a similar blue or bluish-magenta shade. Chalcopyrite is currently brass-colored (color similar to Pyrite, though different and thus making Pyrite and Chalcopyrite easily discernable from each-other only by considering their color or glitter...) and I believe (but did not check so far) that its blue color might indeed stem from some "chemical restructuration" (I prefer not to use the term "oxidation", that might be here too specific). Indeed, when you break some (brass-colored on surface) Chalcopyrites, you can sometimes find such blue areas inside the fresh fracture. I then followed your idea to Google "Chalcopyrite" and, indeed, some of them show blue areas or are even completely blue: http://images.google.fr/images?hl=fr&um=1&q=chalcopyrite&sa=N&start=21&ndsp=21 Apparently the blue shade could be related to the presence of copper. Bornite is Cu5FeS4, while Clalcopyrite is CuFeS2. Note that Pyrite (FeS2) does not contain copper and is never blue. I remember a few other "metallic" minerals that sometimes show blue shades. They are (from memory): Meneghinite (Pb13 Cu Sb7 S24), Germanite (Cu26 Fe4 Ge4 S32), Briartite (Cu2ZnGeS4) or Renierite ((Cu,Zn)11 (Ge,As)2 Fe4 S16) (formulas just taken from the Fleitscher's "Glossary of Mineral Species, 2008", that I always have on hand) I don't claim that the last 4 minerals are present in meteorites (quite unlikely) but I note similarities with Chalcopyrite and Bornite, which are the following: All 6 minerals involve Cu, Fe and S (S as sulfide, thus anion) This being, Bornite and Chalcopyrite involve the simplest formulas. Considering the Cu/Fe ratio in these 2 minerals and the scarcity of Cu in meteorites (with respect to Fe that is far more abundant), obviously Bornite (that contains 5 times more Cu than Fe) is less likely to be present in meteorites than Chalcopyrite in which the Cu/Fe molar ration is one. Jeff, note also that in your second link, Chalcopyrite is more often cited than Bornite as "terrestrially weathered iron meteorite mineral" These are my first speculations and hopefully they will generate more ideas regarding this intriguing issue (metallic-like blue spots in meteorites, that I believe are definitely different than the blue hibonite-containing "chondrules" or "CAI" we discussed bout previously). Best wishes, Zelimir At 10:48 11/02/2010, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi all, Thanks for everyone's input. Firstly, Robert... one of the initial thoughts I had was exactly the same in regards to the silver streaks on Ash Creek. Maybe it is a related type of feature. And Mark, you're not really mistaken. Mine appears on the surface of the trailing side of the oriented individual. I say surface and not crust because it does look like an interior metallic inclusion which is showing through and coloured. Gary's awesome pic of his L3 with the interior
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - February 11, 2010
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion
Hi Guys Zelimir, your reasoning is very sound. There are many minerals that, though they are not normally blue, often exhibit a tarnish that can appear blue. I doubt if bornite is the mineral in question - though without examining the material in close-up it is impossible to say. Chalcopyrite is a stronger possibility. We, in our collections, have a few very fine samples of what is sometimes called "Peacock Ore". This is chalcopyrite that has been tarnished and can appear in a rainbow of colours - as the name suggests - but it can be bright blue. Bornite can tarnish as well and, indeed, some specimens on the market that are marketed as bornite are acid treated chalcopyrite. Cheers Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Zelimir Gabelica Sent: 11 February 2010 11:38 To: Jeff Kuyken; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Hi Jeff, all, The presence of Bornite inclusions in BC as suggested by John and you, is indeed interesting. As a mineral collector familiar with various shades exhibited by metallic minerals, indeed Bornite, typically bluish, is the first to come in mind. But I also have in collection quite a few Chalcopyrites showing a similar blue or bluish-magenta shade. Chalcopyrite is currently brass-colored (color similar to Pyrite, though different and thus making Pyrite and Chalcopyrite easily discernable from each-other only by considering their color or glitter...) and I believe (but did not check so far) that its blue color might indeed stem from some "chemical restructuration" (I prefer not to use the term "oxidation", that might be here too specific). Indeed, when you break some (brass-colored on surface) Chalcopyrites, you can sometimes find such blue areas inside the fresh fracture. I then followed your idea to Google "Chalcopyrite" and, indeed, some of them show blue areas or are even completely blue: http://images.google.fr/images?hl=fr&um=1&q=chalcopyrite&sa=N&start=21&ndsp=21 Apparently the blue shade could be related to the presence of copper. Bornite is Cu5FeS4, while Clalcopyrite is CuFeS2. Note that Pyrite (FeS2) does not contain copper and is never blue. I remember a few other "metallic" minerals that sometimes show blue shades. They are (from memory): Meneghinite (Pb13 Cu Sb7 S24), Germanite (Cu26 Fe4 Ge4 S32), Briartite (Cu2ZnGeS4) or Renierite ((Cu,Zn)11 (Ge,As)2 Fe4 S16) (formulas just taken from the Fleitscher's "Glossary of Mineral Species, 2008", that I always have on hand) I don't claim that the last 4 minerals are present in meteorites (quite unlikely) but I note similarities with Chalcopyrite and Bornite, which are the following: All 6 minerals involve Cu, Fe and S (S as sulfide, thus anion) This being, Bornite and Chalcopyrite involve the simplest formulas. Considering the Cu/Fe ratio in these 2 minerals and the scarcity of Cu in meteorites (with respect to Fe that is far more abundant), obviously Bornite (that contains 5 times more Cu than Fe) is less likely to be present in meteorites than Chalcopyrite in which the Cu/Fe molar ration is one. Jeff, note also that in your second link, Chalcopyrite is more often cited than Bornite as "terrestrially weathered iron meteorite mineral" These are my first speculations and hopefully they will generate more ideas regarding this intriguing issue (metallic-like blue spots in meteorites, that I believe are definitely different than the blue hibonite-containing "chondrules" or "CAI" we discussed bout previously). Best wishes, Zelimir At 10:48 11/02/2010, Jeff Kuyken wrote: >Hi all, > >Thanks for everyone's input. Firstly, Robert... one of the initial thoughts >I had was exactly the same in regards to the silver streaks on Ash Creek. >Maybe it is a related type of feature. > >And Mark, you're not really mistaken. Mine appears on the surface of the >trailing side of the oriented individual. I say surface and not crust >because it does look like an interior metallic inclusion which is showing >through and coloured. Gary's awesome pic of his L3 with the interior >inclusion is very much like mine but on a smaller scale. It could be quite >possible that they are one and the same thing so maybe it is a result of >oxidation and not an ablation thing. > >Has there been any documentation of metallic inclusions in Buzzard Coulee? >(i.e. Fe/Ni, FeS, etc) In other falls like Bensour, this was specifically >mentioned in the classification data. It would seem there are quite a few >people who have noticed them in Buzzard stones now too. > >John's suggestion of Bornite is very interesting. I had never actually heard >of
[meteorite-list] Matter Arising - Last Post
Dear List Members When I posted my original message under the title "Matters Arising", I expected a big response and in that respect I have not been disappointed. I would like to thank every one of you that took the trouble to reply. There were a lot of interesting comments and quite a few suggestions, but I will keep it clean. What did surprise me, and I don't know why it did, was the overwhelmingly positive response. I would say the between 90 and 95% was positive and supportive. Many of you replied off-list and I have tried to reply to each of you in a like manner, If I have missed anyone out, please forgive me but there are only so many hours in a working-day. Following on from the critical messages, I would just like to publically apologise if I caused any offence. I was guilty of utilising some very crass, and inappropriate stereotypes - as a Scot, I am well aware of the many negative stereotypes that exist for us - and I should have used more considered language. This rankles particularly as I am always lecturing (or should that be hectoring) my kids about adopting stereotypes to categorise groups of people. Do as I say, not as I do! I hope that with this message, we can draw a line under this topic and can I urge all list members to please, please, please keep your postings on-topic and on-message. Best Wishes Peter Davidson Curator of Minerals National Museums Collection Centre National Museums Scotland 242 West Granton Road Edinburgh EH5 1JA Phone: +44 131 247 4283 p.david...@nms.ac.uk www.nms.ac.uk Meet Your Maker, the creative minds behind Scotland's crafts. National Museum of Scotland, 29 January - 14 March. www.nms.ac.uk/maker National Museums Scotland, Scottish Charity, No. SC 011130 This communication is intended for the addressee(s) only. If you are not the addressee please inform the sender and delete the email from your system. The statements and opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect those of National Museums Scotland. This message is subject to the Data Protection Act 1998 and Freedom of Information (Scotland) Act 2002. No liability is accepted for any harm that may be caused to your systems or data by this message. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending on Saturday
Dear Fellow Listees, Our ebay auctions ending on Saturday can be seen at: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQfgtpZ1QQfrppZ50QQsassZmeteoriteshow They include: 1- Al Haggounia 001 PRIM. AUB - 8.3g partslice Partslice #014 weighing 8.3g, dimensions 64x24x2.7mm. Cut in one of the freshest framents of Al Haggounia 001 Displays a fair grey matrix showing how EXTREMELY FRESH the fragment is. Shipped in a display box NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $100 STARTING PRICE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330402096749 2- DaG 945 - EUCRITE - 8.2g partlice PARTSLICE #11 weighing 8.2g, dimensions 46x40x1.7mm FRESH meteorite (W1), it displays nice BLACK FUSION CRUST on the edge. Shipped in a display box. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330402097006 3- DaG 947 - LL6 - 1.3g partslice Partslice weighing 1.3g, dimensions 21x15x1.5mm Partslice with FUSION CRUST NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $100 STARTING PRICE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330402097690 4- SAH 02500 L3 - 47.2g endpiece Endpiece weighing 47.2g, dimensions: 47x24x22mm. Typical structure of SAH 02500 diplaying an inclusion, sulfures & 2 lithologoies in a fresh matrix. ~ 5 to 10% fusion crusted. NO BID YET!!! STILL AT $100 STARTING PRICE! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330402097962 5- SAH 03503 LL6 - 39.1g SLICE SLICE weighing 39.1g, dimensions: 79x55x4mm. EXTREMELY RARE! This meteorite is VERY FRESH and even though was found FUSION CRUST LESS! The cut surface displays sharp chondrules and fiew metal flakes in a fair grey matrix Close up pictures show very well the nice chondrules in an extremely fresh matrix and the small iron flakes. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330402098693 6- SAHARAN OC #3296 - 1086g MAIN MASS Main Mass, Semi - Individual weighing 1086g - ~111x86x61mm. Almost fully covered by Fusion Crust with beautiful regmaglypts The cut surface shows quite a higly metamorpised and fresh structure. Probably a L or a LL Chondrite (from LogX = 4.34) http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330402099079 Thank you very much for watching and best wishes to ALL BIDDERS!!! Kind regards, Frederic Beroud http://www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA member # 2491 (http://www.imca.cc/) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion
Hi Jeff, all, The presence of Bornite inclusions in BC as suggested by John and you, is indeed interesting. As a mineral collector familiar with various shades exhibited by metallic minerals, indeed Bornite, typically bluish, is the first to come in mind. But I also have in collection quite a few Chalcopyrites showing a similar blue or bluish-magenta shade. Chalcopyrite is currently brass-colored (color similar to Pyrite, though different and thus making Pyrite and Chalcopyrite easily discernable from each-other only by considering their color or glitter...) and I believe (but did not check so far) that its blue color might indeed stem from some "chemical restructuration" (I prefer not to use the term "oxidation", that might be here too specific). Indeed, when you break some (brass-colored on surface) Chalcopyrites, you can sometimes find such blue areas inside the fresh fracture. I then followed your idea to Google "Chalcopyrite" and, indeed, some of them show blue areas or are even completely blue: http://images.google.fr/images?hl=fr&um=1&q=chalcopyrite&sa=N&start=21&ndsp=21 Apparently the blue shade could be related to the presence of copper. Bornite is Cu5FeS4, while Clalcopyrite is CuFeS2. Note that Pyrite (FeS2) does not contain copper and is never blue. I remember a few other "metallic" minerals that sometimes show blue shades. They are (from memory): Meneghinite (Pb13 Cu Sb7 S24), Germanite (Cu26 Fe4 Ge4 S32), Briartite (Cu2ZnGeS4) or Renierite ((Cu,Zn)11 (Ge,As)2 Fe4 S16) (formulas just taken from the Fleitscher's "Glossary of Mineral Species, 2008", that I always have on hand) I don't claim that the last 4 minerals are present in meteorites (quite unlikely) but I note similarities with Chalcopyrite and Bornite, which are the following: All 6 minerals involve Cu, Fe and S (S as sulfide, thus anion) This being, Bornite and Chalcopyrite involve the simplest formulas. Considering the Cu/Fe ratio in these 2 minerals and the scarcity of Cu in meteorites (with respect to Fe that is far more abundant), obviously Bornite (that contains 5 times more Cu than Fe) is less likely to be present in meteorites than Chalcopyrite in which the Cu/Fe molar ration is one. Jeff, note also that in your second link, Chalcopyrite is more often cited than Bornite as "terrestrially weathered iron meteorite mineral" These are my first speculations and hopefully they will generate more ideas regarding this intriguing issue (metallic-like blue spots in meteorites, that I believe are definitely different than the blue hibonite-containing "chondrules" or "CAI" we discussed bout previously). Best wishes, Zelimir At 10:48 11/02/2010, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi all, Thanks for everyone's input. Firstly, Robert... one of the initial thoughts I had was exactly the same in regards to the silver streaks on Ash Creek. Maybe it is a related type of feature. And Mark, you're not really mistaken. Mine appears on the surface of the trailing side of the oriented individual. I say surface and not crust because it does look like an interior metallic inclusion which is showing through and coloured. Gary's awesome pic of his L3 with the interior inclusion is very much like mine but on a smaller scale. It could be quite possible that they are one and the same thing so maybe it is a result of oxidation and not an ablation thing. Has there been any documentation of metallic inclusions in Buzzard Coulee? (i.e. Fe/Ni, FeS, etc) In other falls like Bensour, this was specifically mentioned in the classification data. It would seem there are quite a few people who have noticed them in Buzzard stones now too. John's suggestion of Bornite is very interesting. I had never actually heard of it before, but it does look VERY much like that. A brilliant iridescent blue. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=Bornite When I googled Bornite and meteorites, the Meteorites Knowledge Base came up as a hit. It lists it as "terrestrially weathered iron meteorite mineral". http://www.site.uottawa.ca:4321/meteorites/index.html#bornite So if this is an oxidation thing as a few have suggested now, I'm wondering if it happened on the ground or during ablation in the disturbed wake at the back of the stone and in the bottom of an indent? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Mark Bowling" To: Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9,2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion I must have been mistaken, I thought somebody was talking about coloration on crust and not interior features Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: Gary Fujihara To: Jeff Kuyken Cc: Bernd Pauli ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 7:21:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Aloha Jeff, Bernd, et al, I am at a conference now and have limited
[meteorite-list] Meteorite cause terror
Meteorite cause terror today on 2 Mexican states Hidalgo and Puebla It crash with loud explosion against a bridge at 6:30 PM [link to www.eluniversal.com.mx] babelfish translation [link to babelfish.yahoo.com] A light accompanied by a roar, that swayed houses and buildings of about five municipalities of Puebla and Hidalgo, was attributed to the fall of a meteorite. The place of the impact would have been the municipality of Ahuazotepec, Puebla, adjacent with Cuautepec, Noble, where a bridge collapsed and caused tension between people, according to versions of municipal authorities. The facts registered this Wednesday to the edge of the 18:30 hours between both populations, to where the Army arrived to surround the zone. The roar was listened to in Ahuazotepec and Huachinango, communities of Puebla, as well as in Tulancingo, Cuautepec and Metepec, pertaining to Noble. Munícipe of Cuautepec, Eduardo Castelán, confirmed the event, although later it said that it did not have precise data and it even commented that would have been to the 15:30 hours. Civil defense of Noble informed that the lines of aid had been colapsado with calls of frightened people who requested an explanation exceeds what was happening, after the outbreak that broke windows. Agents of security of the three hidalguenses demarcations, as well as of Civil defense and firemen '' combed '' the zone; until the eve they did not give concrete information. The director of state Civil defense, Miguel Garci'a Count, said to have received the report thus investigated in the airports the binnacles since a plane crash was afraid; nevertheless, '' is no report on the loss of communication with some airship ''. Also it was speculated on on the explosion of ductos of PEMEX. http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message986889/pg1 Jim K __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion
Hi all, Thanks for everyone's input. Firstly, Robert... one of the initial thoughts I had was exactly the same in regards to the silver streaks on Ash Creek. Maybe it is a related type of feature. And Mark, you're not really mistaken. Mine appears on the surface of the trailing side of the oriented individual. I say surface and not crust because it does look like an interior metallic inclusion which is showing through and coloured. Gary's awesome pic of his L3 with the interior inclusion is very much like mine but on a smaller scale. It could be quite possible that they are one and the same thing so maybe it is a result of oxidation and not an ablation thing. Has there been any documentation of metallic inclusions in Buzzard Coulee? (i.e. Fe/Ni, FeS, etc) In other falls like Bensour, this was specifically mentioned in the classification data. It would seem there are quite a few people who have noticed them in Buzzard stones now too. John's suggestion of Bornite is very interesting. I had never actually heard of it before, but it does look VERY much like that. A brilliant iridescent blue. http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&safe=off&q=Bornite When I googled Bornite and meteorites, the Meteorites Knowledge Base came up as a hit. It lists it as "terrestrially weathered iron meteorite mineral". http://www.site.uottawa.ca:4321/meteorites/index.html#bornite So if this is an oxidation thing as a few have suggested now, I'm wondering if it happened on the ground or during ablation in the disturbed wake at the back of the stone and in the bottom of an indent? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Mark Bowling" To: Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9,2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion I must have been mistaken, I thought somebody was talking about coloration on crust and not interior features Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: Gary Fujihara To: Jeff Kuyken Cc: Bernd Pauli ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, February 10, 2010 7:21:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Aloha Jeff, Bernd, et al, I am at a conference now and have limited access to email, but was informed of this interesting anomalous inclusion in Jeff's Buzzard Coulee meteorite. My friend and partner of the NWA (~L3, W0/1) has identified a similar feature in one of my slices. Please have a look at my 20.11g full slice to see this blue feature in the middle of a troilite inclusion: http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/614g/_20.11b.jpg Because this is from the interior of the meteorite, it should dispel any theory of fusion reaction during ablative flight. gary On Feb 9, 2010, at 11:38 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi Bernd & all, Maybe it's possible but it's about 150X bigger than my Isheyevo Hibonite-bearing CAI or chondrule. Probably too big? Actually, I wish you could see this feature in person Bernd. The best way I can describe it is to say that is looks just like the iridescent blue colour of a Peacocks feather. I was sent a pic off list by another collector who has a similar smaller feature on a very fresh NWA (~L3, W0/1). There is a brassy yellow one (troilite?) with a smaller blue one like mine next to it. Both look like melted metal on the surface. I know Mark had one other much larger Buzzard with a similar thing too. Has anyone else seen this or know what could cause it? Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: "Larry & Twink Monrad" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 11:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fw: RFSPOD - February 9,2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Subject: RFSPOD - February 9, 2010 Buzzard Coulee Blue Inclusion Hello Jeff K., Michael J., Zelimir and List, I am wondering if this blue metallic inclusion in Jeff's Buzzard Coulee might be one of these hibonites that Zelimir showed us and that Jeff Grosman identified for us. This made me think of the MUCH-1 and "Blue Angel" inclusions in Murchison (both of them hibonite-bearing aggregates). http://www.rocksfromspace.org/February_9_2010.html Jeff, sincere congrats on such a fine Buzzard Coulee! Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit th
Re: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos?
I forgot to add, seeds germinate faster because it not only holds water but acts like a dessicant and draws moisture from the air. the higher water content speeds up germination. If you want your meteorites to hold more water coat them with liquid glass. Have a great day Steve --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Steve Dunklee wrote: > From: Steve Dunklee > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos? > To: " Robert D.Matson" , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, "Ed Deckert" > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 8:07 AM > Hi all! > Ed beat me to the silicosis problem. You can buy liquid > glass at most any pharmacy in the States. coating metorites > with liquid glass may be the same as putting them in a wet > plastic bag. the chemicals needed to make it liquid are > highly corrosive. If you follow careful directions you can > use it to seal leaks in engine blocks, radiators and heater > cores and it has many other uses, but I doubt meterorite > preservation is one of them. It holds water which causes > bacteria and other micro organisms to explode. holding water > on a meteorite only causes rust. so as the liquid glass > disolves and recrystalzes under the rust you end up with > something like Lawrencite disease. with the only way to > remove the liquid glass by perchloric acid. I may be wrong > on this one it may actually work but if they recomend > flushing your radiator after the leak is sealed to prevent > it from locking everything up from rust. I dont think it > will work to preserve meteorites. > > cheers > Steve > > --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Ed Deckert > wrote: > > > From: Ed Deckert > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos? > > To: "Matson, Robert D." , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 3:15 AM > > Sounds like an interesting > > product. But the article indicates the silicon > dioxide > > coating is "breathable," which makes me wonder how > effective > > it would be in moist climates. > > > > They claim that seeds coated with "Liquid Glass" > germinated > > faster than seeds that were not coated. For seeds > to > > germinate, I have always understood that moisture > (water) > > was required. If moisture can penetrate the coating > to > > germinate seeds, I would think that moisture could > get > > through to the meteorite as well. > > > > But then, I suppose it could provide additional > protection > > if applied after properly treating the meteorite with > Bill > > Mason's products. > > > > Hopefully this becomes available soon and can be > > tested. I would caution anyone using it to exercise > > care not to breathe in the vapors. You would need > to > > wear an appropriate respirator mask, and have > adequate > > ventilation. Breathing silicon dioxide dust causes a > > condition called "silicosis of the lung." It is > > cumulative and incurable, ultimately leading to death > - > > except I suppose if a lung transplant might be a > > possibility. I know of this condition very well as > a > > friend's husband died from silicosis. > > > > Ed > > > > - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert > D." > > > > To: > > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:24 PM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos? > > > > > > > Possible product to try on meteorites in > conjunction > > with "Rusty" > > > Mason's > > > meteorite preservation technique? > > > > > > http://pda.physorg.com/_news184310039.html > > > > > > --Rob > > > > > > __ > > > Visit the Archives at > > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor > (6.1.0.447) > > > Database version: 6.14320 > > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.14330 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos?
Hi all! Ed beat me to the silicosis problem. You can buy liquid glass at most any pharmacy in the States. coating metorites with liquid glass may be the same as putting them in a wet plastic bag. the chemicals needed to make it liquid are highly corrosive. If you follow careful directions you can use it to seal leaks in engine blocks, radiators and heater cores and it has many other uses, but I doubt meterorite preservation is one of them. It holds water which causes bacteria and other micro organisms to explode. holding water on a meteorite only causes rust. so as the liquid glass disolves and recrystalzes under the rust you end up with something like Lawrencite disease. with the only way to remove the liquid glass by perchloric acid. I may be wrong on this one it may actually work but if they recomend flushing your radiator after the leak is sealed to prevent it from locking everything up from rust. I dont think it will work to preserve meteorites. cheers Steve --- On Thu, 2/11/10, Ed Deckert wrote: > From: Ed Deckert > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos? > To: "Matson, Robert D." , > meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Thursday, February 11, 2010, 3:15 AM > Sounds like an interesting > product. But the article indicates the silicon dioxide > coating is "breathable," which makes me wonder how effective > it would be in moist climates. > > They claim that seeds coated with "Liquid Glass" germinated > faster than seeds that were not coated. For seeds to > germinate, I have always understood that moisture (water) > was required. If moisture can penetrate the coating to > germinate seeds, I would think that moisture could get > through to the meteorite as well. > > But then, I suppose it could provide additional protection > if applied after properly treating the meteorite with Bill > Mason's products. > > Hopefully this becomes available soon and can be > tested. I would caution anyone using it to exercise > care not to breathe in the vapors. You would need to > wear an appropriate respirator mask, and have adequate > ventilation. Breathing silicon dioxide dust causes a > condition called "silicosis of the lung." It is > cumulative and incurable, ultimately leading to death - > except I suppose if a lung transplant might be a > possibility. I know of this condition very well as a > friend's husband died from silicosis. > > Ed > > - Original Message - From: "Matson, Robert D." > > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 10, 2010 6:24 PM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Glass-coated Campos? > > > > Possible product to try on meteorites in conjunction > with "Rusty" > > Mason's > > meteorite preservation technique? > > > > http://pda.physorg.com/_news184310039.html > > > > --Rob > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > > Database version: 6.14320 > > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > > > > > > E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.1.0.447) > Database version: 6.14330 > http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
