Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Excellent post, Dave Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Dave Myers >Sent: Mar 18, 2010 1:57 AM >To: meteorite list , Richard Kowalski > >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality > >Hey Richard, > >My expertise is ART, "moderan art" Once at a online Auction. I seen a >painting, That I knew was a $5,000.-$7,000. painting. The est. was only >$100.-200. dollars, I knew this painting was placed in the wrong category >at this auction. So, most people did not go into this category looking for >good paintings! > >But I knew a few might! So I waited, till the end of the auction, and put in >my bid, seconds before it ended! I got this painting for only $168.00 >dollars. > >When it comes to collecting, If you know the value of what is for sale! >(or just love it, and have to have it) >and you know it is under valued, (if you really want it cheap) YOU SNIPE IT! >ME myself could never afford to pay gallery price! > >I do not know enough about meteorites, and am not in the position to do so >now, But if I could, YES, ON A, ON LINE AUCTION, THAT I KNEW WAS selling at a >fraction of the price ...i would snipe every time. > >Only because of my life-long art research, and these opportunities, is my a >apt. a little modern art museum. I wish 25 years ago I know about >meteorites! > > >Dave Myers > > > > >--- On Wed, 3/17/10, Richard Kowalski wrote: > >> From: Richard Kowalski >> Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality >> To: "meteorite list" >> Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:58 PM >> This mentality, waiting until the >> last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't >> get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. >> >> I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real >> auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an >> item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that >> item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, >> great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to >> pay more for the item... >> >> While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before >> the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea >> of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to >> jam in bids high enough to win the item. >> >> Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to >> screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get >> the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors >> will just rebid again, upping the price? >> >> I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much >> more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was >> reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't >> just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same >> time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... >> >> As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went >> for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid >> even if I could. >> >> Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like >> this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and >> letting it go for that... >> >> I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be >> pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the >> closing time of the auction automatically resets the end >> time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are >> eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits >> because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue >> to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. >> >> Thanks >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> Full Moon Photography >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram
Shawn, As far as I know, all that has been found is what is recorded in the Monograph and addendum. Anybody know any different??? I'm curious to know more about the Galleta flat find(s?) too. Clear skies and happy hunting, Mark B. Sunburned from Gold Basin, AZ! - Original Message From: Shawn Alan To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 4:57:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Hello Richard and List, The Whetstone Mountains slice that sold for $935 at 7.67g seem like a good price to me and the seller did well on eBay. What I know so far about the Whetstone Mountains meteorite is that its an H5 and the KTW to date is 2.14 kg. Lastly, Has there been any discoveries or interesting associations with Whetstone Mountains meteorite or is it just another H5 meteorite? Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 19:25:05 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Need free Lunar micro Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] The 7.67g full slice of Whetstone Mountains that was on ebay sold for $935. Including the cost of shipping, that works out to be $122.23 per gram. I usually don't pay too much attention to the price for new falls, but this seems to be less than what I was expecting considering how much interest this fall generated and how little has been found. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Need free Lunar micro Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hey Richard, My expertise is ART, "moderan art" Once at a online Auction. I seen a painting, That I knew was a $5,000.-$7,000. painting. The est. was only $100.-200. dollars, I knew this painting was placed in the wrong category at this auction. So, most people did not go into this category looking for good paintings! But I knew a few might! So I waited, till the end of the auction, and put in my bid, seconds before it ended! I got this painting for only $168.00 dollars. When it comes to collecting, If you know the value of what is for sale! (or just love it, and have to have it) and you know it is under valued, (if you really want it cheap) YOU SNIPE IT! ME myself could never afford to pay gallery price! I do not know enough about meteorites, and am not in the position to do so now, But if I could, YES, ON A, ON LINE AUCTION, THAT I KNEW WAS selling at a fraction of the price ...i would snipe every time. Only because of my life-long art research, and these opportunities, is my a apt. a little modern art museum. I wish 25 years ago I know about meteorites! Dave Myers --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Richard Kowalski wrote: > From: Richard Kowalski > Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality > To: "meteorite list" > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:58 PM > This mentality, waiting until the > last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't > get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. > > I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real > auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an > item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that > item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, > great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to > pay more for the item... > > While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before > the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea > of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to > jam in bids high enough to win the item. > > Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to > screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get > the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors > will just rebid again, upping the price? > > I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much > more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was > reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't > just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same > time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... > > As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went > for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid > even if I could. > > Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like > this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and > letting it go for that... > > I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be > pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the > closing time of the auction automatically resets the end > time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are > eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits > because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue > to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. > > Thanks > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hi Tom, Tom, really. As for "the insult", who did I insult? I remember saying that people are getting ripped off if they use a sniper company to bid for them, cause the last time I check, eBay does that for you automatically till they reach your maximum bid. And that's how it works on eBay, i f you biiid the hiighes TOM. You win the item. But again, who am I you said yourself, "So first you lay down a stupid insult and then you follow it up with Yoda wisdom?" Tom your giving me a god laugh with the end at the end of your statement with the question mark. Any whos have a great night Tom LOL [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Starsinthedirt at aol.com Starsinthedirt at aol.com Thu Mar 18 00:42:00 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] First you say "All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free." Shawn Alan Then you say "So the morel to the story is, if you want the item, then you will do anything to get it. If this means you wait to the last seconds to bid, or hire a third party to bid for you, or put a max bid in a day before the bid ends, you do what ever it takes :) But at the end of the day what comes down to it is who placed the highest bid in the allotted time. " Shawn Alan So first you lay down a stupid insult and then you follow it up with Yoda wisdom? Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 10:31:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photophlow at yahoo.com writes: Hello list again, I have been bidding and watching an item on eBay for the past few days and I wish I had gotton the 46g Norton Meteorite at $600 or so but that wasn't the case. Before I went down in the subway to go home I got on my phone to watch the clock tick on the eBay item I was wishing I could get but I knew It wasn't going to happen. As the clock went down the price stayed steady for the remaining 4 minutes. But it wasn't till the last few seconds that the price went from $800 to $850 and I thought to myself, WOW the winner is going to make a killing. In the back of my head I was wishing I was him/her but I don't have the leisure to spend that much on a meteorite. But when I thought it was over it wasn't and when the clock stopped the auction was over and the winning bidder got the Norton County meteorite at $1,225 not to mention its from Dr LaPaz estate, what a deal. Here is a link of the auction. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230447906846&showauto=t rue At any rate the winner got a great meteorite and did it smart. If I had money and I knew I would do anything to get it, I would place my bid at $3000, that's a guaranty that I would get, but again, it could lead to high costs if I have someone else that wants it more then me. So the morel to the story is, if you want the item, then you will do anything to get it. If this means you wait to the last seconds to bid, or hire a third party to bid for you, or put a max bid in a day before the bid ends, you do what ever it takes :) But at the end of the day what comes down to it is who placed the highest bid in the allotted time. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 19:58:00 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Next message: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for m
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
John, That has been my experience too. I've seen people bid early, and then come back and keep bidding up and up (not the "bid early with your max" strategy). And a few of them will wait till the last few minutes and in a frenzy, bid past what is reasonable (either because they don't know what they're bidding on, or because of the issue you describe, or...?). And yes, sometimes after such an event, the seller contacts me and says they didn't pay... I now use a program that only charges me about $0.25/win (nothing if I lose). Since using it, I've increased my wins and hardly ever pay my max, so it seems to me that there are folks out there who have some sort of bidding addiction or the like. If I lose, then I know for sure that someone wanted it more than I was willing to pay. Unlike before when I bid my max early, and I went back at the end and discovered that someone beat me by bidding against me multiple times in the last minutes at odd intervals (which indicates they weren't using a sniping program). And I've determined to bid only my max, because if I go beyond that, I assume that there are folks out there who use a snipe program and put in a crazy bids so they can't be beat (so if you get two of them, someone is going to get burned). ;-) Clear skies, Mark - Original Message From: John Hendry To: Richard Kowalski Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 7:08:23 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Richard, I always use sniping services for bidding and my reasoning flawed or otherwise is as follows. There exists a category of bidders that do not bid their maximum and leave it at that, but like to continuously monitor the auction for the duration and outbid others when they lose highest bid. This sometimes reaches a frenzy of bid and counterbid in the last 30 minutes, and this behaviour seems more related to beating the competition than an incremental strategy that will cease as soon as they reach the maximum they have in mind. Here is somebody admitting this... http://ask.metafilter.com/47433/Psychology-of-Auctions So I don't really want to add to the liquidity in any auction with bidders like this that start out looking for a bargain and end up in a competitive fiscal pissing match. If I have a bid in well before auction end at my limit I risk provoking bidders like this to bid beyond what they originally had in mind as eBay will continuously outbid them to my maximum. If I snipe an auction with my maximum in the last 6 seconds I can rest assured that I haven't provoked any people to bid beyond their maximum and perhaps beyond mine. Regards, John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: March-17-10 4:58 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
First you say "All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free." Shawn Alan Then you say"So the morel to the story is, if you want the item, then you will do anything to get it. If this means you wait to the last seconds to bid, or hire a third party to bid for you, or put a max bid in a day before the bid ends, you do what ever it takes :) But at the end of the day what comes down to it is who placed the highest bid in the allotted time. " Shawn Alan So first you lay down a stupid insult and then you follow it up with Yoda wisdom? Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 10:31:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photoph...@yahoo.com writes: Hello list again, I have been bidding and watching an item on eBay for the past few days and I wish I had gotton the 46g Norton Meteorite at $600 or so but that wasn't the case. Before I went down in the subway to go home I got on my phone to watch the clock tick on the eBay item I was wishing I could get but I knew It wasn't going to happen. As the clock went down the price stayed steady for the remaining 4 minutes. But it wasn't till the last few seconds that the price went from $800 to $850 and I thought to myself, WOW the winner is going to make a killing. In the back of my head I was wishing I was him/her but I don't have the leisure to spend that much on a meteorite. But when I thought it was over it wasn't and when the clock stopped the auction was over and the winning bidder got the Norton County meteorite at $1,225 not to mention its from Dr LaPaz estate, what a deal. Here is a link of the auction. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230447906846&showauto=t rue At any rate the winner got a great meteorite and did it smart. If I had money and I knew I would do anything to get it, I would place my bid at $3000, that's a guaranty that I would get, but again, it could lead to high costs if I have someone else that wants it more then me. So the morel to the story is, if you want the item, then you will do anything to get it. If this means you wait to the last seconds to bid, or hire a third party to bid for you, or put a max bid in a day before the bid ends, you do what ever it takes :) But at the end of the day what comes down to it is who placed the highest bid in the allotted time. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 19:58:00 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Next message: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 Previous message: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Next message: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Messages sorted by: [
[meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hello list again, I have been bidding and watching an item on eBay for the past few days and I wish I had gotton the 46g Norton Meteorite at $600 or so but that wasn't the case. Before I went down in the subway to go home I got on my phone to watch the clock tick on the eBay item I was wishing I could get but I knew It wasn't going to happen. As the clock went down the price stayed steady for the remaining 4 minutes. But it wasn't till the last few seconds that the price went from $800 to $850 and I thought to myself, WOW the winner is going to make a killing. In the back of my head I was wishing I was him/her but I don't have the leisure to spend that much on a meteorite. But when I thought it was over it wasn't and when the clock stopped the auction was over and the winning bidder got the Norton County meteorite at $1,225 not to mention its from Dr LaPaz estate, what a deal. Here is a link of the auction. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=230447906846&showauto=true At any rate the winner got a great meteorite and did it smart. If I had money and I knew I would do anything to get it, I would place my bid at $3000, that's a guaranty that I would get, but again, it could lead to high costs if I have someone else that wants it more then me. So the morel to the story is, if you want the item, then you will do anything to get it. If this means you wait to the last seconds to bid, or hire a third party to bid for you, or put a max bid in a day before the bid ends, you do what ever it takes :) But at the end of the day what comes down to it is who placed the highest bid in the allotted time. Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 19:58:00 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Next message: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 Previous message: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Next message: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Thanks all. I now have a much better understanding all the way around... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eBay Sniping strategy
I agree. As explained, this will usually save buyer $ due to the other bidder not having time to cave in and say "I want it bad enough to spend just a bit more" and push final price up even though he will not win. A well timed snipe allows you the best bid amount for your max bid. Greg C. --Original Message-- From: Matson, Robert D. Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] eBay Sniping strategy Sent: Mar 17, 2010 11:49 PM Sniping is simply a strategy that capitalizes on the fact that the vast majority of people are unlikely to monitor online auctions (of which they are a participant) in the closing minutes. As a result, whatever limit bid, X, the leading bidder has established can easily be trumped in the final seconds by another bidder bidding X+delta, where delta is the minimum differential bid. Experienced eBay buyers employ this strategy at all times, whether in person or through a cyber-agent. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] eBay Sniping strategy
Sniping is simply a strategy that capitalizes on the fact that the vast majority of people are unlikely to monitor online auctions (of which they are a participant) in the closing minutes. As a result, whatever limit bid, X, the leading bidder has established can easily be trumped in the final seconds by another bidder bidding X+delta, where delta is the minimum differential bid. Experienced eBay buyers employ this strategy at all times, whether in person or through a cyber-agent. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
I have sniped and won and sniped and lost but I have and will continue to snipe whether it's effective or not. It's just a strategy one of many. Jerry flaherty -- From: "John Hendry" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 10:08 PM To: "'Richard Kowalski'" Cc: Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Richard, I always use sniping services for bidding and my reasoning flawed or otherwise is as follows. There exists a category of bidders that do not bid their maximum and leave it at that, but like to continuously monitor the auction for the duration and outbid others when they lose highest bid. This sometimes reaches a frenzy of bid and counterbid in the last 30 minutes, and this behaviour seems more related to beating the competition than an incremental strategy that will cease as soon as they reach the maximum they have in mind. Here is somebody admitting this... http://ask.metafilter.com/47433/Psychology-of-Auctions So I don't really want to add to the liquidity in any auction with bidders like this that start out looking for a bargain and end up in a competitive fiscal pissing match. If I have a bid in well before auction end at my limit I risk provoking bidders like this to bid beyond what they originally had in mind as eBay will continuously outbid them to my maximum. If I snipe an auction with my maximum in the last 6 seconds I can rest assured that I haven't provoked any people to bid beyond their maximum and perhaps beyond mine. Regards, John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: March-17-10 4:58 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lunar Rover Found
On Wed, 17 Mar 2010 02:20:36 -0500, you wrote: >Hi, > >Not ours -- theirs. Nope. Lord Britishes: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/17/2143248/Lord-Britishs-Lost-Lunar-Rover-Found-After-37-Years __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Damn, that was quick! Only an hour later after I posted it. So I've worked out some questions. If I post them now, you should get them at the end of the month :-) Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John.L.Cabassi Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:15 PM To: starsinthed...@aol.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality G'Day All Interesting topic on eBay. Regardless of what you say, it's not going to change and somebody mentioned u-bid, that's the worst. Believe me, I've been there. As soon as it comes to the final time for the bid to end, the next person who bids, rejacks up the time for it to go on another 10 minutes and I've seen this go on for 4 hours before the item is finally sold at twice the price you'd pay for it retail at any store. There's definitely some sort of addiction going on here, which I can't comment on, but it just seems that way. As for snipers, I'm not really concerned. This new age of electronic bidding has alot to be desired. Being able to sit in a room next to a competitor and start bidding against each other till finally one concedes, is a lot of fun. But that's not to say that somebody in that room has a vendetta and will go all out, even to broke so you don't get the item. I for one, stand fast, kind of like Mike G. I have a limit and that's it, so I wait. Maybe I am a sniper, but I hate constant bids being placed by people that have never bought before driving the bids up. I've seen this happen time and time again and then I've seen the item relisted again because "Oh, the person didn't pay me" or "I didn't really understand what the item was" or "I made a mistake, cancel my bid" Now are they stand-ins? Hell yeah. There's only a certain point you can take stupid to. I've even got to the point of contacting the person offering the item with my email. When they get back to me, I offer them a price. If they accept it, suddenly the item's withdrawn, even though it had 10 bids on it. There's ways around ebay and then there's ways you can get caught out. To me it's a big game and not worth the money. That's not to say I've scored some great stuff, but that's only because the person involved really didn't know what they had, they just wanted to off load it. And then you have others and this is a disclaimer, I'm not attacking any individuals on this list, but suddenly the 0.99 offers are not panning out and then there's a rush to let everybody know; I've been caught in that one before. But that's not against the person offering it up, they're in it to make money, that's their income. I'm in it to get a bargain and sometimes it gets tough these days. But as I said in the beginning, it's not going to change. Either like it or lump it my 50 cents AUS Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:49 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Hi Richard and List, I agree with your solution but not your objection to sniping within the framework that is eBay. Ebay has set up a situation where it is the smart thing to do. As you suggest, if no item will officially end within even just one minute from the time the last bid was placed, this would end the advantage of sniping. I personally use a sniping service so when I see an item I want, I set up the snipe bid that will be executed a few seconds before auction end. This set up can be taken care of days before the auction ends. I have saved many hundreds of dollars, mostly on microscope equipment. It's not nice or fair but it is the way eBay is set up, so why not play to win. Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 5:58:10 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions eve
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
It's just so simple to understand why sniping is likely to get you the best price...just an obvious thing to do! Just keep it quiet Tomthe less people that understand sniping the more bargains for us.. ;-) Graham starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: > All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off > because eBay does the same thing for free. > > Shawn Alan > > > I don't think you get it! > > Tom > > In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:15:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > photoph...@yahoo.com writes: > Hello Listers, > > My understanding with bidding on eBay is if your the top bidder you win. > If you use a spiner program you don't win unless your the top bidder. Spiner > programs make it easy for you to put your bid in and leave and not worry > about sitting at the computer and waisting time while you can be hunting for > meteorites. Lastly, just because someone snips in at the last seconds > doesn't mean they will win, it just means they bid at the last seconds and > if > they are the top bidder they win and if not you win, easy as apple pie. > > > But again, isn't eBay like a snipper program. Your able to put in your top > bid and eBay on your behalf will increase your bid till your out bid by > another eBayer or your the winner because you felt that the price you set > was > fair at what your wiling to pay. All I know is that people that use sniper > programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free. > > Shawn Alan > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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G'Day All Interesting topic on eBay. Regardless of what you say, it's not going to change and somebody mentioned u-bid, that's the worst. Believe me, I've been there. As soon as it comes to the final time for the bid to end, the next person who bids, rejacks up the time for it to go on another 10 minutes and I've seen this go on for 4 hours before the item is finally sold at twice the price you'd pay for it retail at any store. There's definitely some sort of addiction going on here, which I can't comment on, but it just seems that way. As for snipers, I'm not really concerned. This new age of electronic bidding has alot to be desired. Being able to sit in a room next to a competitor and start bidding against each other till finally one concedes, is a lot of fun. But that's not to say that somebody in that room has a vendetta and will go all out, even to broke so you don't get the item. I for one, stand fast, kind of like Mike G. I have a limit and that's it, so I wait. Maybe I am a sniper, but I hate constant bids being placed by people that have never bought before driving the bids up. I've seen this happen time and time again and then I've seen the item relisted again because "Oh, the person didn't pay me" or "I didn't really understand what the item was" or "I made a mistake, cancel my bid" Now are they stand-ins? Hell yeah. There's only a certain point you can take stupid to. I've even got to the point of contacting the person offering the item with my email. When they get back to me, I offer them a price. If they accept it, suddenly the item's withdrawn, even though it had 10 bids on it. There's ways around ebay and then there's ways you can get caught out. To me it's a big game and not worth the money. That's not to say I've scored some great stuff, but that's only because the person involved really didn't know what they had, they just wanted to off load it. And then you have others and this is a disclaimer, I'm not attacking any individuals on this list, but suddenly the 0.99 offers are not panning out and then there's a rush to let everybody know; I've been caught in that one before. But that's not against the person offering it up, they're in it to make money, that's their income. I'm in it to get a bargain and sometimes it gets tough these days. But as I said in the beginning, it's not going to change. Either like it or lump it my 50 cents AUS Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:49 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Hi Richard and List, I agree with your solution but not your objection to sniping within the framework that is eBay. Ebay has set up a situation where it is the smart thing to do. As you suggest, if no item will officially end within even just one minute from the time the last bid was placed, this would end the advantage of sniping. I personally use a sniping service so when I see an item I want, I set up the snipe bid that will be executed a few seconds before auction end. This set up can be taken care of days before the auction ends. I have saved many hundreds of dollars, mostly on microscope equipment. It's not nice or fair but it is the way eBay is set up, so why not play to win. Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 5:58:10 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Richard, I always use sniping services for bidding and my reasoning flawed or otherwise is as follows. There exists a category of bidders that do not bid their maximum and leave it at that, but like to continuously monitor the auction for the duration and outbid others when they lose highest bid. This sometimes reaches a frenzy of bid and counterbid in the last 30 minutes, and this behaviour seems more related to beating the competition than an incremental strategy that will cease as soon as they reach the maximum they have in mind. Here is somebody admitting this... http://ask.metafilter.com/47433/Psychology-of-Auctions So I don't really want to add to the liquidity in any auction with bidders like this that start out looking for a bargain and end up in a competitive fiscal pissing match. If I have a bid in well before auction end at my limit I risk provoking bidders like this to bid beyond what they originally had in mind as eBay will continuously outbid them to my maximum. If I snipe an auction with my maximum in the last 6 seconds I can rest assured that I haven't provoked any people to bid beyond their maximum and perhaps beyond mine. Regards, John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: March-17-10 4:58 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free. Shawn Alan I don't think you get it! Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 7:15:51 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, photoph...@yahoo.com writes: Hello Listers, My understanding with bidding on eBay is if your the top bidder you win. If you use a spiner program you don't win unless your the top bidder. Spiner programs make it easy for you to put your bid in and leave and not worry about sitting at the computer and waisting time while you can be hunting for meteorites. Lastly, just because someone snips in at the last seconds doesn't mean they will win, it just means they bid at the last seconds and if they are the top bidder they win and if not you win, easy as apple pie. But again, isn't eBay like a snipper program. Your able to put in your top bid and eBay on your behalf will increase your bid till your out bid by another eBayer or your the winner because you felt that the price you set was fair at what your wiling to pay. All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Wow, I suppose the internet is slowing up... Old age. I don't know why, but sometimes I can post and it comes up immediately. Sometimes I post and it comes back to me, but it doesn't go to the list. And other times, it just doesn't show up. Damn, I must be a bad boy. ;) Oh well, whatever. Cheers John -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi [mailto:j...@cabassi.net] Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:15 PM To: 'starsinthed...@aol.com'; 'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com' Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality G'Day All Interesting topic on eBay. Regardless of what you say, it's not going to change and somebody mentioned u-bid, that's the worst. Believe me, I've been there. As soon as it comes to the final time for the bid to end, the next person who bids, rejacks up the time for it to go on another 10 minutes and I've seen this go on for 4 hours before the item is finally sold at twice the price you'd pay for it retail at any store. There's definitely some sort of addiction going on here, which I can't comment on, but it just seems that way. As for snipers, I'm not really concerned. This new age of electronic bidding has alot to be desired. Being able to sit in a room next to a competitor and start bidding against each other till finally one concedes, is a lot of fun. But that's not to say that somebody in that room has a vendetta and will go all out, even to broke so you don't get the item. I for one, stand fast, kind of like Mike G. I have a limit and that's it, so I wait. Maybe I am a sniper, but I hate constant bids being placed by people that have never bought before driving the bids up. I've seen this happen time and time again and then I've seen the item relisted again because "Oh, the person didn't pay me" or "I didn't really understand what the item was" or "I made a mistake, cancel my bid" Now are they stand-ins? Hell yeah. There's only a certain point you can take stupid to. I've even got to the point of contacting the person offering the item with my email. When they get back to me, I offer them a price. If they accept it, suddenly the item's withdrawn, even though it had 10 bids on it. There's ways around ebay and then there's ways you can get caught out. To me it's a big game and not worth the money. That's not to say I've scored some great stuff, but that's only because the person involved really didn't know what they had, they just wanted to off load it. And then you have others and this is a disclaimer, I'm not attacking any individuals on this list, but suddenly the 0.99 offers are not panning out and then there's a rush to let everybody know; I've been caught in that one before. But that's not against the person offering it up, they're in it to make money, that's their income. I'm in it to get a bargain and sometimes it gets tough these days. But as I said in the beginning, it's not going to change. Either like it or lump it my 50 cents AUS Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 5:49 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality Hi Richard and List, I agree with your solution but not your objection to sniping within the framework that is eBay. Ebay has set up a situation where it is the smart thing to do. As you suggest, if no item will officially end within even just one minute from the time the last bid was placed, this would end the advantage of sniping. I personally use a sniping service so when I see an item I want, I set up the snipe bid that will be executed a few seconds before auction end. This set up can be taken care of days before the auction ends. I have saved many hundreds of dollars, mostly on microscope equipment. It's not nice or fair but it is the way eBay is set up, so why not play to win. Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 5:58:10 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping
[meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hello Listers, My understanding with bidding on eBay is if your the top bidder you win. If you use a spiner program you don't win unless your the top bidder. Spiner programs make it easy for you to put your bid in and leave and not worry about sitting at the computer and waisting time while you can be hunting for meteorites. Lastly, just because someone snips in at the last seconds doesn't mean they will win, it just means they bid at the last seconds and if they are the top bidder they win and if not you win, easy as apple pie. But again, isn't eBay like a snipper program. Your able to put in your top bid and eBay on your behalf will increase your bid till your out bid by another eBayer or your the winner because you felt that the price you set was fair at what your wiling to pay. All I know is that people that use sniper programs are getting ripped off because eBay does the same thing for free. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Thanks Tom I'm glad I posted this thread. I had no idea that there are software packages that would do snipe automatically. Ebay has to have to have some financial benefit to THEM to allow this nonsense, otherwise they wouldn't allow it. Seems to me it would be more profitable for them to just allow the auction to continue until the bidding stops. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Wed, 3/17/10, starsinthed...@aol.com wrote: > From: starsinthed...@aol.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 5:48 PM > Hi Richard and List, I agree > with your solution but not your objection to > sniping within the framework that is eBay. > > Ebay has set up a situation where it is the smart thing > to do. As you > suggest, if no item will officially end within even just > one minute from the > time the last bid was placed, this would end the advantage > of sniping. > > I personally use a sniping service so when I see an item I > want, I set up > the snipe bid that will be executed a few seconds before > auction end. This > set up can be taken care of days before the auction > ends. > > I have saved many hundreds of dollars, mostly on > microscope equipment. > > It's not nice or fair but it is the way eBay is set up, so > why not play to > win. > > Tom > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hi Richard and List, I agree with your solution but not your objection to sniping within the framework that is eBay. Ebay has set up a situation where it is the smart thing to do. As you suggest, if no item will officially end within even just one minute from the time the last bid was placed, this would end the advantage of sniping. I personally use a sniping service so when I see an item I want, I set up the snipe bid that will be executed a few seconds before auction end. This set up can be taken care of days before the auction ends. I have saved many hundreds of dollars, mostly on microscope equipment. It's not nice or fair but it is the way eBay is set up, so why not play to win. Tom In a message dated 3/17/2010 5:58:10 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, damoc...@yahoo.com writes: This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hi Richard, You wrote, "It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes" Interestingly, the Astro Auctions website I and others mentioned earlier has exactly that format. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Richard Kowalski" To: "meteorite list" Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hi Richard, I think, but I'm not sure, the reason for sniping is because if you bid early on an item, you are encouraging "action". As a buyer, if you want the item at the lowest price possible, then you don't want a lot of bidding action going on. One way to accomplish that is to bid on the item at the last possible moment. I use an opposite strategy - I place my one and final bid early on in the auction. If the bidding exceeds my amount, I walk away from it. I don't get caught up in the sniper games - if someone wants it bad enough that they are going to use a special computer program to bid for them, then let them have it - but they will still have to outbid my early bid, and if their sniper bid is equal to my bid, then I win the tie-breaker because I bid first - a disadvantage that no sniper can get around. I have watched, in real time, snipers furiously try to outbid me in the final seconds, only to lose because my original bid was higher than their snipe attempt and they didn't leave themselves enough time to snipe again. I don't get it either, but I think it's because they are hoping by holding their bids until the very end, they will contribute to stagnant overall bidding and a lower closing price. ??? Or, they are developmentally disabled and have the whole concept wrong. LOL Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Richard Kowalski wrote: > This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is > something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. > > I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in > my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my > budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the > item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more > for the item... > > While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the > auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last > second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. > > Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out > of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking > that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? > > I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the > Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just > lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the > exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... > > As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was > willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. > > Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of > just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... > > I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. > Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction > automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers > games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because > the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just > like in a real live auction. > > Thanks > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram
Hello Richard and List, The Whetstone Mountains slice that sold for $935 at 7.67g seem like a good price to me and the seller did well on eBay. What I know so far about the Whetstone Mountains meteorite is that its an H5 and the KTW to date is 2.14 kg. Lastly, Has there been any discoveries or interesting associations with Whetstone Mountains meteorite or is it just another H5 meteorite? Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram Richard Kowalski damoclid at yahoo.com Wed Mar 17 19:25:05 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Need free Lunar micro Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] The 7.67g full slice of Whetstone Mountains that was on ebay sold for $935. Including the cost of shipping, that works out to be $122.23 per gram. I usually don't pay too much attention to the price for new falls, but this seems to be less than what I was expecting considering how much interest this fall generated and how little has been found. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Need free Lunar micro Next message: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram
Hi Richard and List, That's not a bad price for an OC. :) Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 3/17/10, Richard Kowalski wrote: > The 7.67g full slice of Whetstone Mountains that was on ebay sold for $935. > Including the cost of shipping, that works out to be $122.23 per gram. I > usually don't pay too much attention to the price for new falls, but this > seems to be less than what I was expecting considering how much interest > this fall generated and how little has been found. > > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around
Unfortunately this would not work because it seems they've thought of everything... Everything to limit the seller anyway. "...You can’t refer to or promote your personal website (including links to home page web addresses that promote outside-of-eBay websites), sales outside of eBay, or other businesses..." http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-circumventing.html Listing an item and then being paid outside the eBay system. - Not allowed and "...We don't allow our members to use eBay to contact each other to make offers to buy or sell items outside of eBay" http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/rfe-spam-non-ebay-sale.html Sorry... Good idea though... Tell ebay to go get #...@#! Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 4:35 PM, valpar...@aol.com wrote: What if a seller sold an "option to buy" instead of the item itself? For example, suppose you have a meteorite that you expect to go for $1,000. You create a nice certificate, suitable for framing, that says the winner can buy your meteorite at 10 times the price paid for the certificate. Then, you auction the certificate. You would expect the certificate to sell for about $100, which is what ebay would calculate their FVF on, so they get nine bucks. Bid increments would run from 25 cents to a dollar, which equates to 2.50 and 10.00, respectively, when the option is exercised. Of course, the buyer would get credit for the price of the certificate. Best of all, ebay is counter-screwed. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Work Around
What if a seller sold an "option to buy" instead of the item itself? For example, suppose you have a meteorite that you expect to go for $1,000. You create a nice certificate, suitable for framing, that says the winner can buy your meteorite at 10 times the price paid for the certificate. Then, you auction the certificate. You would expect the certificate to sell for about $100, which is what ebay would calculate their FVF on, so they get nine bucks. Bid increments would run from 25 cents to a dollar, which equates to 2.50 and 10.00, respectively, when the option is exercised. Of course, the buyer would get credit for the price of the certificate. Best of all, ebay is counter-screwed. Paul Swartz __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] $122.23 per gram
The 7.67g full slice of Whetstone Mountains that was on ebay sold for $935. Including the cost of shipping, that works out to be $122.23 per gram. I usually don't pay too much attention to the price for new falls, but this seems to be less than what I was expecting considering how much interest this fall generated and how little has been found. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Walter, Understood, but I was simply being more general on purpose. Where do you advertise. Not all meteorite people will flock to one particular site. With the myriad of other sites out there, to get the reach that ebay provides you'd have to list your items for sale on ALL of the remaining top 10 auction sites to get the reach ebay would give you. Your sales would suffer, and it would be a nightmare to keep organized. My point is not that I'm saying build another ebay, I'm saying build something better. That would be a phenomenal achievement, but it would be worth the money to do in my opinion. Ebay is ripe for an "international" competitor. I'm saying that because Craigslist, though it is international, you're only allowed to advertise your items for sale locally. Imagine if there were a site where local listings were free, but only charged a small fee for regional, national, and international advertising. I guess that skirts the philosophy of a "free" site somewhat though, but not everyone needs to advertise worldwide. You also have to deal with abusers who post "illegal & offensive" ads too. How do you manage that? I know what you're saying, you want to use what's already there, but I believe if what is there now could work then it would have worked already. ;) You asked me "...At a free site, could you lose money? ..." I don't think so, I have a model and have run the numbers and it should work well, and it will even turn a respectable profit while still offering FREE advertising to sellers. A win/win in my opinion. Look, I'm not saying not to use what's there now, ebid.com and many other auction sites are out there. I've never used Astro-Auctions but they look cool for a specialized site. There's really a whole lot of competition out there in the auction website market. Everyone wanted to be the next Ebay until they actually started an auction site and saw how much a of pain in the rear it is to run one. When you realize that, you specialize or make it free. You would actually be able to run a successful site AND keep it free by offering free LOCAL listings, supplemented by advertising revenue i.e. small fees on certain categories and regional, national, and international listings. This is why Craigslist works so well. It's simple and free. KISS! This is what makes Ebay scared! My site www.spacifieds.com was a test that worked fairly well. It was a trial run of sorts and garnered a lot of interest in a short time. It became a top 10 website in it's category in less than 2 months, but even at that people didn't use it much because the "reach" was nothing comparable to ebay. Even ALL the top 10 auction websites combined don't equal to the traffic ebay gets. In my opinion this is a perfect time for there to be a competitor arrive for ebay... Craigslist probably won't do it because of their philosophy. But there is room for another big site, one that combines the best of both worlds. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 2:38 PM, Walter Branch wrote: Eric I think you missed my point. I am not advocating building a new website to compete with ebay. I am talking about using resources that are already in place. I don't want to create a new ebay or an ebay competitor. But answer this question, if you would please. What would it hurt if a few dealers listed a few auctions, buy-it-nows, fixed price sales, etc. at these alternative sites then let met list members and IMCA members know about their auctions. Does everyone who buys meteorites use belong to this list or the IMCA? No, of course not. But I would be willing to wager a significant number do. I stated earlier that I sold kg upon kg of meteorites at astro auction. If I could do it, surely a real meteorite dealer could do it. I don't advocate building another ebay. I don't care about lamp shades, pokemon cards, flatware or women's make-up. Just put up some meteorites. See what happens. At a free site, could you lose money? -Walter - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into "building it", they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so. It grew VERY fast. No offense, but the site
[meteorite-list] Need free Lunar micro
Good day all, I received a rather unusual phone call at work (I work in a planetarium) yesterday: a 10 year old boy suffered a unspecified family trauma and getting him to speak (mother tongue is French) is practically impossible. However, a writer and social activist, the lady who called, seems to be slowly getting through. He has asked her for a moon rock and she called expecting that moon rocks were plentiful and cheap; she quickly became disabused of the notion. Since we do sell meteorites, I suggested a small one which she is willing to pay out of her own pocket. I have to write a short note as an astronomer certifying it is a rock from space. Then I thought of this group: would someone be willing to donate a lunar micro to the cause ? That would be greatly appreciated. Please contact me off-list if interested. Thank you Andre Bordeleau __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Eric I think you missed my point. I am not advocating building a new website to compete with ebay. I am talking about using resources that are already in place. I don't want to create a new ebay or an ebay competitor. But answer this question, if you would please. What would it hurt if a few dealers listed a few auctions, buy-it-nows, fixed price sales, etc. at these alternative sites then let met list members and IMCA members know about their auctions. Does everyone who buys meteorites use belong to this list or the IMCA? No, of course not. But I would be willing to wager a significant number do. I stated earlier that I sold kg upon kg of meteorites at astro auction. If I could do it, surely a real meteorite dealer could do it. I don't advocate building another ebay. I don't care about lamp shades, pokemon cards, flatware or women's make-up. Just put up some meteorites. See what happens. At a free site, could you lose money? -Walter - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into "building it", they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so. It grew VERY fast. No offense, but the sites you mention are not new and there are tons of free sites out there. People have been trying to compete with Ebay for a long time. The only one who has had real success is Craigslist. They are the single largest threat to Ebay's market share. If you were to build a site that "they will come" to, then that site I believe must be cheaper than Ebay, offer the same or comparable traffic or in marketing terms "reach", as Ebay does, and at the same time make it EASY for people to post their items for sale. There's one thing I know that will accomplish ALL of that. That's a free classifieds site, with certain categories that can be charged for just like the Craigslist model. Take it from me, it's not about building it. It's about offering something of value. All the sites you mentioned have not come anywhere close to the reach that Ebay gives, to do that you need free and easy value. Most people will have no problems paying even a small fee, but you must make it fair or people will not participate. The issue is not really price or even benefits. It's about how EASY something is to do. If any site could offer the same reach as Ebay but cheaper, it will most likely be a success. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 11:33 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the >exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, "build it and they will come." Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Mike Bandli" To: "'Galactic Stone & Ironworks'" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into "building it", they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so. It grew VERY fast. No offense, but the sites you mention are not new and there are tons of free sites out there. People have been trying to compete with Ebay for a long time. The only one who has had real success is Craigslist. They are the single largest threat to Ebay's market share. If you were to build a site that "they will come" to, then that site I believe must be cheaper than Ebay, offer the same or comparable traffic or in marketing terms "reach", as Ebay does, and at the same time make it EASY for people to post their items for sale. There's one thing I know that will accomplish ALL of that. That's a free classifieds site, with certain categories that can be charged for just like the Craigslist model. Take it from me, it's not about building it. It's about offering something of value. All the sites you mentioned have not come anywhere close to the reach that Ebay gives, to do that you need free and easy value. Most people will have no problems paying even a small fee, but you must make it fair or people will not participate. The issue is not really price or even benefits. It's about how EASY something is to do. If any site could offer the same reach as Ebay but cheaper, it will most likely be a success. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 11:33 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the >exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, "build it and they will come." Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Mike Bandli" To: "'Galactic Stone & Ironworks'" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a "Meteorite Dea
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
May be a little late, but I thought of this thread when I saw this. Take a look - perhaps a movie will be made. Greg S. http://www.bdrecorder.co.uk/content/newham/recorder/whatson/story.aspx?brand=RECOnline&category=WhatsonBooks&tBrand=northlondon24&tCategory=whatsonnewham&itemid=WeED17%20Mar%202010%2017%3A14%3A39%3A113 Meteorite Strike - AG Taylor 17 March 2010 THIS book is the debut novel for AG Taylor but from the first chapter you'll find you are gunning for the main characters of Meteorite Strike. To say it's a sc-fi action thriller doesn't do the 334 pages justice - it's one of those tales that has you turning the pages despite yourself. Brother and sister Robert and Sarah are on a flight to Melbourne when there is a meteorite strike that brings with it a coma-inducing virus. It leaves most adults in a deep sleep, but the siblings, in common with other youngsters, appear to be unaffected. Not only that, but they all have super powers that bring them to the attention of an organisation that claims it is looking for a cure. It soon emerges that the Colonel in charge is trying to use their powers as weapons. It is a fast-paced adventure in which you quickly form attachments with the main characters who are predominantly children or teenagers. The adults who feature in the plot are few in number and almost incidental, with the Colonel quickly emerging as the "baddie" and the children's father, Daniel, triumphing over the odds a bit like Indiana Jones. It was easy to visualise the battle sequences so accustomed are we to televised action thrillers of the same ilk. Meteorite Strike (£5.99, Usborne) was written by AG Taylor who got the idea for it after a flight across Australia. He was born in New Zealand, but grew up in Norfolk. He studied English Literature at Sheffield before going on to take a teaching course at Cambridge University. Writing a book always remained an ambition and he has already penned a sequel, Alien Storm, which will be out in November. > From: dar...@dof3.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:42:26 -0500 > Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE > > > Hi Everyone, > > I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural > references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting > or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but > scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly > welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. > > Any input would be much appreciated. > > > Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, > > Darryl > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850553/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fwd: (meteorobs) Two Bright Fireballs
fyi regarding the Mississippi & California fireballs. -- Forwarded message -- From: Robert Lunsford Date: Wed, Mar 17, 2010 at 3:34 PM Subject: (meteorobs) Two Bright Fireballs To: meteor...@meteorobs.org Numerous sightings of two recent fireballs have been received by the AMS. The first occurred in daylight near 1345 CDT (1845 UT) on March 14. We have received six reports so far from Mississippi and Louisiana. They describe it as brighter than the full moon with a yellow-orange color. Several witnesses also mentioned a long-lasting train that appeared like a contrail. The second fireball occurred near 0610 PDT (1310 UT) on March 15. Twenty one witnesses from northern California and southern Oregon describe this object as equal to or slightly less than the full moon. There was not much agreement on the color. White was mentioned the most. Summaries of these objects may be viewed at: http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireball/fireball_log2010.htm Refer to events #115 and #117. Clear Skies! Robert Lunsford American Meteor Society ___ Mailing list meteorobs: meteor...@meteorobs.org To UNSUBSCRIBE, email: owner-meteor...@meteorobs.org http://lists.meteorobs.org/mailman/listinfo/meteorobs __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ISO - Canyon Diablo needed
Hi to everyone! I would like to get a nice Canyon Diablo sample that is 200g or more. I currently only have a small one and want to be able to show a nicer sized one along with pictures of the crater. The small one is nice, but is missing the "wow factor" that a larger sample would offer. With the size of the crater, I would like to be able to show more then a 25g iron to go with it. Funds are tough right now, I would be willing to work a trade out for a sample. Not looking for anything too rusty as this will be a display piece. If anyone can fill this need, please send an email off list. Thanks! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Walter, I agree 100% with you. At least 50% of the meteorite listings on ebay come from the people on this forum. If they can put there differences and ego's aside long enough to agree on an auction site, it would be to there benefit. The ebay meteorite buyers would find the new auction site. It would only work if enough sellers agree to a new site. News travels fast in the meteorite community. Jim K Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. >I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the >exposure that >eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, "build it and they will come." Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Galactic Stone & Ironworks" To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 11:25:38 AM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: > > It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so > many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and > have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. > Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it > free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for > the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. > > Jim Konwerski > Crete, IL > USA > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Walt and List, I'll check out Astro-Auctions - I'm always looking for new areas to expand the Galactic Stone empire into. I've never heard of it until now. I must have been under a rock. Just don't list anything on AstroMart - to put this nicely, the owner is like Tony Soprano and treats his members the same. Or, if you want to aggravate yourself and get bullied for an unfair cut of your sales, go ahead and try. LOL Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Walter Branch wrote: > Hi Mike, > > For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the > site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. > I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. > > I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took > advantage of the site. No one listed anything. > > Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind > Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. > > Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. > Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to > one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. > >>I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the >exposure that >>eBay provides. > > Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually > exclusive. > > The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not > buyers. > > What did they say in the movie, "build it and they will come." Well, you > won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the > stadium first. > > -Walter > > > - Original Message - > From: "Mike Bandli" > To: "'Galactic Stone & Ironworks'" ; > > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see > > >> This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best >> of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: >> >> www.Astro-Auction.com >> >> Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move >> meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that >> you >> are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. >> >> -- >> Mike Bandli >> Historic Meteorites >> www.HistoricMeteorites.com >> IMCA #5765 >> --- >> >> -Original Message- >> From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >> [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic >> Stone & Ironworks >> Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM >> To: meteorite...@comcast.net >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see >> >> Hi Jim, >> >> It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory >> serves me correctly) >> >> The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each >> other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other >> dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. >> >> But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. >> :) >> >> Best regards, >> >> MikeG >> >> >> >> On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: >>> >>> It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With >> so >>> many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together >>> and >>> have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. >>> Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps >> it >>> free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay >> for >>> the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be >>> endless. >>> >>> Jim Konwerski >>> Crete, IL >>> USA >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> >> >> -- >> >> Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites >> http://www.galactic-stone.com >> http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the >exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, "build it and they will come." Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Mike Bandli" To: "'Galactic Stone & Ironworks'" ; Cc: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 6077
"please note: 6.5g, 2.4g, 3.94g, are sold." And I'm the lucky new owner :-) John got himself a great rare stone here! Rob - Original Message - From: "John higgins" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD Hi Dirk, Temporarily, I have a few of the new NWA 6077 Brachinite images hosted @ one of my websites www.outerspacerocks.com please note: 6.5g, 2.4g, 3.94g, are sold. Thanks! John Higgins From: drtanuki To: John higgins Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 11:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD Dear John, What are you asking for the Brachinite? Sizes? thank you. Dirk...Tokyo --- On Wed, 3/17/10, John higgins wrote: From: John higgins Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:47 PM Hello everyone! Since were talking about e-Bay, Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with provisional classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, provisionally classified NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, and a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for free! And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop around! http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks Thank You, Have a Great Day! John Higgins Outer Space Rocks Original Message From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks To: Shawn Alan Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the "biggest" meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I ca
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD
Hi John, That's a great looking Brachinite. Nice job on the cutting and preparation. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, John higgins wrote: > Hi Dirk, > > Temporarily, I have a few of the new NWA 6077 Brachinite images hosted @ one > of my websites > > www.outerspacerocks.com > > please note: > 6.5g, 2.4g, 3.94g, are sold. > > Thanks! > John Higgins > > > > > > > > > > From: drtanuki > To: John higgins > Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 11:01:25 AM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD > > > Dear John, What are you asking for the Brachinite? Sizes? thank you. > Dirk...Tokyo > > --- On Wed, 3/17/10, John higgins wrote: > > >>From: John higgins >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay >> AD >>To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:47 PM >> >> >>Hello everyone! >> >>Since were talking about e-Bay, >> >>Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! >> There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with >> provisional classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, >> provisionally classified NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with >> awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have >> accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, >> and a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for >> free! >> >>And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop >> around! >> >> >>http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks >> >> >>Thank You, >>Have a Great Day! >> >> >>John Higgins >> >>Outer Space Rocks >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Original Message >>From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >>To: Shawn Alan >>Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM >>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see >> >>A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : >> >>It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you >>can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you >>are shopping. >> >>It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers >>standing next to you. >> >>Best regards, >> >>MikeG >> >>On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: >>> Hi List, >>> >>> Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long >>> time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because >> I can sell >>> the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy >>> stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, >>> shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional >>> meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent >>> weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I >>> first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to >>> enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of >>> community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail >>> storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next >>> to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something >>> good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club >>> multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the >>> service, just the >> amount of green streaming in. Unless the >>> shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. >>> >>> Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - >>> the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid >>> on it, or ignore it, or watch it - >>> >>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290414451908 >>> >>> Some other eBay-like sites : >>> >>> Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee >>> only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat >>> bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still >>> pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have >>> staked my claim on it as the "biggest" meteorite dealer >> Bonanzle. >>> Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my >>> throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL >>> >>> Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and >>> mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you >>> can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and >>> cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. >>> >>> iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. >>> >>> Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, >>> check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. >>> You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no >>> final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - >>> sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD
Hi Dirk, Temporarily, I have a few of the new NWA 6077 Brachinite images hosted @ one of my websites www.outerspacerocks.com please note: 6.5g, 2.4g, 3.94g, are sold. Thanks! John Higgins From: drtanuki To: John higgins Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 11:01:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD Dear John, What are you asking for the Brachinite? Sizes? thank you. Dirk...Tokyo --- On Wed, 3/17/10, John higgins wrote: >From: John higgins >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD >To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 11:47 PM > > >Hello everyone! > >Since were talking about e-Bay, > >Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! >There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with provisional >classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, provisionally classified >NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with > awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have > accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, and > a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for free! > >And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop >around! > > >http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks > > >Thank You, >Have a Great Day! > > >John Higgins > >Outer Space Rocks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Original Message >From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks >To: Shawn Alan >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see > >A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : > >It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you >can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you >are shopping. > >It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers >standing next to you. > >Best regards, > >MikeG > >On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: >> Hi List, >> >> Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long >> time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because > I can sell >> the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy >> stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, >> shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional >> meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent >> weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I >> first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to >> enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of >> community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail >> storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next >> to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something >> good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club >> multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the >> service, just the > amount of green streaming in. Unless the >> shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. >> >> Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - >> the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid >> on it, or ignore it, or watch it - >> >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290414451908 >> >> Some other eBay-like sites : >> >> Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee >> only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat >> bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still >> pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have >> staked my claim on it as the "biggest" meteorite dealer > Bonanzle. >> Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my >> throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL >> >> Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and >> mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you >> can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and >> cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. >> >> iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. >> >> Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, >> check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. >> You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no >> final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - >> sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I >> love it. Caveat - you > must be able to drive traffic to your store for >> a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive >> traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar >> results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to >> sellin
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
All: I found this interesting. http://online-auction-sites.toptenreviews.com/ Greg S. > Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2010 12:25:38 -0400 > From: meteoritem...@gmail.com > To: meteorite...@comcast.net > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see > > Hi Jim, > > It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory > serves me correctly) > > The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each > other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other > dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. > > But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: >> >> It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so >> many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and >> have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. >> Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it >> free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for >> the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. >> >> Jim Konwerski >> Crete, IL >> USA >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone & Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: > > It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so > many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and > have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. > Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it > free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for > the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. > > Jim Konwerski > Crete, IL > USA > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: > > It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so > many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and > have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. > Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it > free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for > the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. > > Jim Konwerski > Crete, IL > USA > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a "Meteorite Dealers Association" that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see+ My personal e-Bay AD
Hello everyone! Since were talking about e-Bay, Please come take a look, I have auctions started @ .99 with free shipping! There are plenty of cool meteorites including my New NWA 6077 with provisional classification as a Ultra Rare Brachinite, also New, provisionally classified NWA 6080 a gorgeous LL4 with awesome inclusions. These meteorites come labeled and in most cases, have accessories like a black box or clear case. They all come with ID cards, and a certificate of authenticity, I even throw in a cool book mark for free! And @ .99 with free shipping, and all those extras...come down and shop around! http://stores.ebay.com/Outer-Space-Rocks Thank You, Have a Great Day! John Higgins Outer Space Rocks Original Message From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks To: Shawn Alan Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, March 17, 2010 9:46:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi List, > > Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long > time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell > the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy > stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, > shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional > meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent > weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I > first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to > enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of > community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail > storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next > to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something > good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club > multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the > service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the > shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. > > Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - > the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid > on it, or ignore it, or watch it - > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290414451908 > > Some other eBay-like sites : > > Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee > only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat > bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still > pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have > staked my claim on it as the "biggest" meteorite dealer Bonanzle. > Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my > throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL > > Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and > mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you > can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and > cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. > > iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. > > Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, > check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. > You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no > final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - > sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I > love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for > a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive > traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar > results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to > selling. If anyone reading this signs up for High-Wire (used to be > called Buy it Sell it), use my referral link to sign up because I'll > get a kickback! :) > > http://app.buyitsellit.com/?ref=meteorite > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 3/17/10, Shawn Alan wrote: >> Carl and List, >> >> I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are >> going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is >> seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. >> >> Shawn Alan >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > --
[meteorite-list] California Meteor March 15th, 2010
I saw this a few posts on twitter about this today. Have not seen this posted to the list yet. blobrana : Californian meteor: At 5:13 PDT, 15th March, 2010, a bright fireball broke-up west of Yuba City, California. http://bit.ly/cEZepB __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 17, 2009
> http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_17_2010.html Way to go, Dave G! We need more of this, also on this side of the Big Pond, and elsewhere... Alex Berlin/Germany __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
A typo in my last post that confused the meaning : It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. It should have read : you can NOT even identify the other shoppers standing next to you. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi List, > > Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long > time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell > the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy > stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, > shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional > meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent > weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I > first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to > enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of > community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail > storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next > to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something > good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club > multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the > service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the > shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. > > Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - > the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid > on it, or ignore it, or watch it - > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290414451908 > > Some other eBay-like sites : > > Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee > only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat > bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still > pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have > staked my claim on it as the "biggest" meteorite dealer Bonanzle. > Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my > throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL > > Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and > mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you > can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and > cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. > > iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. > > Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, > check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. > You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no > final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - > sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I > love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for > a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive > traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar > results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to > selling. If anyone reading this signs up for High-Wire (used to be > called Buy it Sell it), use my referral link to sign up because I'll > get a kickback! :) > > http://app.buyitsellit.com/?ref=meteorite > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > > On 3/17/10, Shawn Alan wrote: >> Carl and List, >> >> I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are >> going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is >> seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. >> >> Shawn Alan >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi List, Fleabay has been a hell for sellers and a heaven for buyers for a long time now. I have stopped 99% of my selling on eBay because I can sell the same items on my own website for zero fees. But, I still buy stuff on eBay, including supplies like gemjars, bubble mailers, shipping boxes, and shipping labels. I also pounce on the occasional meteorite deal and have snagged a few of Adam's offerings in recent weeks. I used to really like the eBay atmosphere back in 1999 when I first started out there, but eBay has since done everything it can to enforce a corporate-mindset on the membership, and now the sense of community is gone. It's just another anonymous row of quasi-retail storefronts and you can even identify the other shoppers standing next to you while you are shopping. This is what happens when something good is taken over by a bunch of suit-wearing, country-club multimillionaires who don't give a damn about the product or the service, just the amount of green streaming in. Unless the shareholders mutiny, expect more the same from eBay in the future. Having said that, I do have a single .99 cent auction up right now - the first piece of NWA 6026 ever offered on fleabay. Feel free to bid on it, or ignore it, or watch it - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290414451908 Some other eBay-like sites : Bonanzle - better than eBay. No listing fees, small final value fee only when an item sells. You get a free storefront plus live chat bundled in. Downside - not quite as much traffic ebay, but still pretty decent. I actually make a few regular sales there - and I have staked my claim on it as the "biggest" meteorite dealer Bonanzle. Until one of you folks set up shop over there and knock me off my throne, I am the meteorite king of Bonanzle. LOL Etsy - an arts-and-crafts version of eBay, dominated by artists and mostly female sellers. You won't sell many meteorites there, but you can sell some as crafting-supplies. I've sold some meteorite dust and cuttings over there for artists to use in their works. iOffer - auction site. I tried it, didn't like it. Finally, when you folks are tired of getting strong-armed by eBay, check out High-Wire ecommerce stores. It's where I host my store. You pay a low monthly flat fee to have a store - no listing fees, no final value fees, no percentages. You don't pay anything for sales - sell a dollar or sell a million dollars and the fee is the same. I love it. Caveat - you must be able to drive traffic to your store for a service like this to replace eBay in your sales. I can drive traffic to my site, so my sales are good. I cannot promise similar results for everyone, but I don't miss eBay at all when it comes to selling. If anyone reading this signs up for High-Wire (used to be called Buy it Sell it), use my referral link to sign up because I'll get a kickback! :) http://app.buyitsellit.com/?ref=meteorite Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Shawn Alan wrote: > Carl and List, > > I called up ebay and it true what this person says on ebay. Sellers are > going to get ripped off. Sorry but I think everone should know that is > seller on ebay that sell high price meteorites. > > Shawn Alan > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Exploring Meteorite Mysteries
Hi Eric and List, Here is a downloadable PDF copy of the manual. http://www.outofthecradle.net/archives/2007/05/exploring-meteorite-mysteries/ I own a hard-copy of this book, and I agree that it's a great resource for outreach/education. Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > Awesome! > > > Exploring Meteorite Mysteries > A Teacher's Guide with Activities for Earth and Space Sciences > http://www.compadre.org/precollege/items/detail.cfm?ID=9887 > > published by the NASA Johnson Space Center: Astromaterials Research Office > edited by Marilyn Lindstrom > > This resource is a set of 19 lessons on meteorites and their effects > upon impact with Earth, developed by NASA's Astromaterials Research > center. Appropriate for grades 6-12, each lesson is aligned to national > science and math standards. The collection is divided into units based > on key questions students may ask about meteorites: "What are they?", > "Where do they come from?", and "What happens when they hit the Earth?" > Lessons range in complexity from very simple introductory material to > more advanced meteorite detection and planetary evolution. > > Educators who complete a cost-free certification process with NASA may > have use of a Meteorite Sample Disk and accompanying slide show for > classroom use. > > NASA's Astromaterials Research Office (ARES), is responsible for > conducting fundamental research on meteorites, cosmic dust, solar wind, > lunar rocks, and orbital debris. > > > Regards, > Eric > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 17, 2009
http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_17_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Summary Paper About Scandinavian Impact Structures
Dear Friends, There is an interesting summary paper about Scandinavian impact structures that downloaded as a PDF file. It even has a mps of recognized impact structures in Scandinavia and discusses the fossil meteorites found in the Thorsberg Quarry, southern Sweden, and K-T boundary at Stevns Klint, Denmark. It is: Dypvik, H., J. Plado, C. Heinberg, E. Hakansson, L. J. Pesonen, B. Schmitz, and S. Raiskila, 2008, Impact structures and events – a Nordic perspective. Episodes. vol. 31, no. 1, pp. 107 -114. The PDF files can be downloaded directly form: http://www.episodes.org/backissues/33igc/15%20Impact%20%20structures-r.pdf The link to the PDF file can be in “Episodes Special Issue Title: “Nordic Geoscience and 33rd IGC 2008”” at: http://www.episodes.org/backissues/33igc/33igc.htm Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube
Hi Martin, Your estimates give an average density of 7.54 g/cm3 (7.54 ton/m3) for the whole kit and kaboodle. That's about 93 cubic meters of 'rites which compacted, theoretically makes a cube with a sides of 4.5 meters. That is double the size of my bedroom ... just to find an adamant baling press - a car crusher machine like in the movies that turns them into cubes - during collectors', treasure hunters', scientists' and bureaucrats' rioting and protests. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2010 7:51 am Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube] A Meter cube for meteorites? Hmm exists: http://www.conservapedia.com/images/0/06/Kaaba.jpg Shht Captain, maths: The Bulletin database has listed 700 metric tons of meteorites. 90% of them are iron meteorites. Let's say density 8grams/ccm. Rest shall be stones. 3.4g/ccm. How large have the dimensions of a cube to be, to house all meteoritic material, if they would be a solid block? Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Michael Blood Gesendet: Montag, 15. März 2010 12:54 An: Richard Kowalski; Meteorite List Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Scale Cubes [WAS: Ad Announcing the "Count" cube Scale / Orientation cube] Hi Richard and list, Only the US, Burma and one other small country use the inches And feet scale. The entire scientific community uses the metric scale. 1 CM cube is the only size I have ever seen - it would seem a Meter Cube may be useful under some circumstance, but very few of the World's meteorites would warrant such. Best wishes, Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Exploring Meteorite Mysteries
Awesome! Exploring Meteorite Mysteries A Teacher's Guide with Activities for Earth and Space Sciences http://www.compadre.org/precollege/items/detail.cfm?ID=9887 published by the NASA Johnson Space Center: Astromaterials Research Office edited by Marilyn Lindstrom This resource is a set of 19 lessons on meteorites and their effects upon impact with Earth, developed by NASA's Astromaterials Research center. Appropriate for grades 6-12, each lesson is aligned to national science and math standards. The collection is divided into units based on key questions students may ask about meteorites: "What are they?", "Where do they come from?", and "What happens when they hit the Earth?" Lessons range in complexity from very simple introductory material to more advanced meteorite detection and planetary evolution. Educators who complete a cost-free certification process with NASA may have use of a Meteorite Sample Disk and accompanying slide show for classroom use. NASA's Astromaterials Research Office (ARES), is responsible for conducting fundamental research on meteorites, cosmic dust, solar wind, lunar rocks, and orbital debris. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Walter, I am definitely not trying to start a "Pro-eBay" war here. I simply did not agree with GregC's specific comment. Everyone here knows everyone sets some auction items with a higher start price than 99 cents, I am no different (neither are you). No big deal... As Richard pointed out, it is the "Buyer/Bidder" who gets the chance to set their own price when something starts at 99 cents (or a penny!). Nothing evil happening here! Just eBay and different ways people wish to offer goods. Do you think I would put a $30,000.00 lunar slice on eBay at 99 cents? I may be crazy, but NOT that crazy!! So, if anyone who wishes to set their own price, starting a 99 cents or 99 dollars, bid as you wish! Nobody is forcing your bid finger down on the keyboard!! Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Walter Branch" To: "Greg Hupe" ; "Greg Catterton" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 3:18 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Greg (Hupe)- how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at >99 cents? Because from a buyers point-of-view it doesn't matter where an auction starts, it matters where it ends. Besides, many auctions, including many of yours, do not start at 99 cents. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Greg Catterton" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, "Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants." Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Greg Catterton" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA wrote: From: Meteorites USA Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... > > What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/m
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
The only reason Ebay ever bought a 25% share of the company (seat on the board) was because they wanted an edge. "Keep your enemies closer.". I hope Craigslist rips them a new one! Ooh, can I say that on here? ;) Ebay is a greedy pig of a company, and it's OBVIOUS to anyone with half a brain that their buying of 25% share of Craigslist was just a ploy to try to gain control over Craigslist by getting inside their biggest competition. Then when that didn't work they created their own competing free classifieds site. Now they sue Craigslist for doing what any "smart" business would do. I hope Craigslist whoops Ebay's collective asses! Legally of course. Too bad they can't counter sue Ebay for being greedy bastards. Craigslist is the single largest threat to Ebay because you can't fight freedom. Even Craigslist has to make money though, they do it by charging for Job & Real Estate listings. Pretty good business model if you ask me. They don't allow national advertising though, which in my mind is limiting to those who own home based businesses who would like to expand and grow their "Mom & Pop" business into something larger, which in a way drives these same home businesses to look toward Ebay for national advertising. Frankly in my opinion Ebay is stupid for not seeing that. If they could have worked it out with Craigslist instead of trying to bulldoze them, I think they could have made a great team. But alas, they have competing philosophies. Craigslist is all about freedom, and Ebay is about profit. I know somewhere there's a happy middle ground where both could have prospered, but not now. You go Craigslist! ;) Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 12:02 AM, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Eric, List, Craigslist is a privately held company. eBay purchased a block of shares in Craigslist from an individual share- holder and got a seat on the Craigslist board. After eBay launched their own free classified service to compete with Craigslist, the Craigistas tossed them off the board by issuing enough new shares to dilute eBay's 28-odd% share to less than 25%, which does not qualify for a Board seat. This is a time honored and perfectly legal technique to squeeze one's mortal enemies out of the family. Ebay decided to sue, and the two are now entangled in a life-or-death legal struggle as Craigslist tries to jettison eBay: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222000908 After a year or so of maneuvering the suit went to trial in Dec., 2009. No decision yet. This story contains a link to the lawsuit filing itself: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/01/paidcontent/main4061009.shtml?source=RSSattr=SciTech_4061009 Wait and see. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairli
[meteorite-list] Lunar Rover Found
Hi, Not ours -- theirs. The tracks of the Lunokhod 2 lunar rover have been found in photos taken by NASA's Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter (LRO). The Russian rover covered 35 kilometers (a record) before dirt in its radiator made it overheat and die. There's a photo of the tracks (and the full story) here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/03/100316164950.htm Sterling K. Webb - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Greg (Hupe)- how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at >99 cents? Because from a buyers point-of-view it doesn't matter where an auction starts, it matters where it ends. Besides, many auctions, including many of yours, do not start at 99 cents. -Walter - Original Message - From: "Greg Hupe" To: "Greg Catterton" ; Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, "Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants." Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: "Greg Catterton" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA wrote: From: Meteorites USA Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: > Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... > > What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Eric, List, Craigslist is a privately held company. eBay purchased a block of shares in Craigslist from an individual share- holder and got a seat on the Craigslist board. After eBay launched their own free classified service to compete with Craigslist, the Craigistas tossed them off the board by issuing enough new shares to dilute eBay's 28-odd% share to less than 25%, which does not qualify for a Board seat. This is a time honored and perfectly legal technique to squeeze one's mortal enemies out of the family. Ebay decided to sue, and the two are now entangled in a life-or-death legal struggle as Craigslist tries to jettison eBay: http://www.informationweek.com/news/internet/ebusiness/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=222000908 After a year or so of maneuvering the suit went to trial in Dec., 2009. No decision yet. This story contains a link to the lawsuit filing itself: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/05/01/paidcontent/main4061009.shtml?source=RSSattr=SciTech_4061009 Wait and see. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "Meteorites USA" To: Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
