Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning a Gao
Hi Steve, I wouldn't use acid, or a strong alkaline for that matter, on a meteorite except when doing an etch. Here is how I would handle your Gao. Remember, There are a dozen ways to clean a specimen...this is just my way. You'll get more. 1. Wash meteorite in extremely hot de-mineralized water and dishwater soap and use nylon brush to remove dust and dirt. 2. Rinse with hot de-mineralized water. Pat dry. 3. Using a hand held rotary tool, such as a Dremel fitted with a soft STAINLESS STEEL brush, using high speed, gently remove concretions, debris and other terrestrial matter. You won't damage the crust, or secondary, or surface patination if your watching what your doing. Be sure and wear eye protection. 3. Wash metorite off with 90% isopropyl alcohol. Really dunk it. It's a water displacing treatment. 4. Blow dry with a heat gun. Get it hot. That will evaporate any residual water. 5. Repair cracks if needed to stabilize the specimen with Paleo-Bond. Use very little accelerant spray as it can leave a white residue. 6. Mop off residue and excess Paleo-Bond with 100% Acetone on a Q tip. 7. If stony meteorite has a polished face. Hit polished area with a light spray of clear acrylic. 8. Spray rest of meteorite with WD-40. It's an organic water replacement and doesn't leave a lingering odor. It will leave a natural looking finish. 9. Wipe with a soft cloth like an old t-shirt. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: Steve Witt >Sent: Mar 23, 2010 12:42 AM >To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: [meteorite-list] Cleaning a Gao > >Greetings list, > >I recently acquired a nice specimen of Gao showing some typical weathering. I >was told the stone could be cleaned by soaking it in a weak solution of oxalic >acid and demineralized water and then brushing it gently with a soft iron >(brass) brush. Has anyone on the list had any experience with this procedure? >I am a bit apprehensive about soaking a meteorite in water and was wondering >what others thoughts are as to this process. > >The individual who informed of this procedure was also a bit evasive about the >the strength of the oxalic acid and did state that if too strong it would coat >the specimen in a white substance that is not removable. A bit scary. Any >thoughts? > >thanx, >Steve > > >Steve Witt >IMCA #9020 >http://imca.cc/ > > > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
Darren, I would have to agree with you on that NWA 869 would have been a massive light show 4,400 years ago (Thank you everyone :) that answer my question) because it represents one of the largest finds in the Saharan desert. The total weight so far that has been recovered is about 7 metric tons which comes to about 15,432.3584 pounds. It is said that before entry, NWA 869 was about 120-230 metric tons, which means that 90% to 95% of the mass was lost due to ablation during atmopheric passage. That would have been a sight to see, sun glasses anyone? Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Darren Garrison cynapse at charter.net Tue Mar 23 01:46:31 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > terrestrial age is consistent with the low degree of weathering >(W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr means 4.4 years from the low level BTW, if 869 had fallen just 4.4 years before it was found, there would be camels that are still running today. The light show from that entry had to be MASSIVE. Previous message: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
Darren, I would have to agree with you on that NWA 869 would have been a massive light show 4,400 years ago (Thank you everyone :) that answer my question) because it represents one of the largest finds in the Saharan desert. The total weight so far that has been recovered is about 7 metric tons which comes to about 15,432.3584 pounds. It is said that before entry, NWA 869 was about 120-230 metric tons, which means that 90% to 95% of the mass was lost due to ablation during atmopheric passage. That would have been a sight to see, sun glasses anyone? Shawn Alan [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Darren Garrison cynapse at charter.net Tue Mar 23 01:46:31 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > terrestrial age is consistent with the low degree of weathering >(W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr means 4.4 years from the low level BTW, if 869 had fallen just 4.4 years before it was found, there would be camels that are still running today. The light show from that entry had to be MASSIVE. Previous message: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Next message: [meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
All these terms are unofficial and used for convenience, not like the metric terms, like meter, decimeter, centimeter, millimeter, etc., that are "official." mya is also a bit confusing since the SI unit for year is "a"; mya is more formally written "Ma ago"; kyr is formally written "ka". Chris * Chris L Peterson Cloudbait Observatory http://www.cloudbait.com - Original Message - From: "Sterling K. Webb" To: "Shawn Alan" ; Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 10:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Hi, Shawn, The abbreviation "kyr" stands for "kiloyear" or units of 1,000 years. 4.4 kyr = 4,4000 years. Slightly different, "mya" means "million years ago." The term "aeon" or "eon" is often used to mean a stretch of one billion years. All these terms are unofficial and used for convenience, not like the metric terms, like meter, decimeter, centimeter, millimeter, etc., that are "official." __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: > terrestrial age is consistent with the low degree of weathering >(W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr means 4.4 years from the low level BTW, if 869 had fallen just 4.4 years before it was found, there would be camels that are still running today. The light show from that entry had to be MASSIVE. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cleaning a Gao
Greetings list, I recently acquired a nice specimen of Gao showing some typical weathering. I was told the stone could be cleaned by soaking it in a weak solution of oxalic acid and demineralized water and then brushing it gently with a soft iron (brass) brush. Has anyone on the list had any experience with this procedure? I am a bit apprehensive about soaking a meteorite in water and was wondering what others thoughts are as to this process. The individual who informed of this procedure was also a bit evasive about the the strength of the oxalic acid and did state that if too strong it would coat the specimen in a white substance that is not removable. A bit scary. Any thoughts? thanx, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Old Meteor Crater brochure - can anyone date it?
A quick search on Yahoo yielded the following: http://www.route66university.com/photos/souvenir8/slides/mcrater_bro.html Dennis On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:21 PM, Steve Witt wrote: Mike, Never seen one before, so can't help you there, but sweet piece of memorabilia. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks > wrote: From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteor Crater brochure - can anyone date it? To: "Meteorite List" Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:13 PM Hi Listees, I recently scored this vintage Meteor Crater brochure and it's obviously older than I am, it's undated. Can anyone tell me what year (or thereabouts) this brochure was made or first used? I am assuming from the look of it and what it says, that it must be late 1950's, maybe early 1960's? Here are some photos - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure-2.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure-3.jpg Any help would be appreciated. :) Thanks in advance, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
Hi, Shawn, The abbreviation "kyr" stands for "kiloyear" or units of 1,000 years. 4.4 kyr = 4,4000 years. Slightly different, "mya" means "million years ago." The term "aeon" or "eon" is often used to mean a stretch of one billion years. All these terms are unofficial and used for convenience, not like the metric terms, like meter, decimeter, centimeter, millimeter, etc., that are "official." Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: "Shawn Alan" To: Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 11:07 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr Hello Listers, Today has been a busy day about the topic of money and meteorites. I have more of a science question and hope someone could answer my question. I was reading an article tonight about NWA 869 and it said that the samples yielded a terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr. What does the kyr stand for and is this another way of saying years? The article goes on to say that the terrestrial age is consistent with the low degree of weathering (W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr means 4.4 years from the low level of weather, but again, the desert climate is a perfect environment for preserving meteorites. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Old Meteor Crater brochure - can anyone date it?
Mike, Never seen one before, so can't help you there, but sweet piece of memorabilia. Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > From: Galactic Stone & Ironworks > Subject: [meteorite-list] Old Meteor Crater brochure - can anyone date it? > To: "Meteorite List" > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:13 PM > Hi Listees, > > I recently scored this vintage Meteor Crater brochure and > it's > obviously older than I am, it's undated. Can anyone > tell me what year > (or thereabouts) this brochure was made or first > used? I am assuming > from the look of it and what it says, that it must be late > 1950's, > maybe early 1960's? > > Here are some photos - > > http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure.jpg > > http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure-2.jpg > > http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure-3.jpg > > Any help would be appreciated. :) > > Thanks in advance, > > MikeG > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: Re: Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
Shawn, 4.4 kyr is 4,400 years. K=1000 Regards, Steve Steve Witt IMCA #9020 http://imca.cc/ > --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Shawn Alan > wrote: > > > From: Shawn Alan > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial > age of 4.4 kyr > > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 11:07 PM > > Hello Listers, > > > > Today has been a busy day about the topic of money > and > > meteorites. I have more of a science question and > hope > > someone could answer my question. I was reading an > article > > tonight about NWA 869 and it said that the samples > yielded > > a terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr. What does the kyr stand > for > > and is this another way of saying years? The article > goes > > on to say that the terrestrial age is consistent with > the > > low degree of weathering (W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr > means > > 4.4 years from the low level of weather, but again, > the > > desert climate is a perfect environment for > preserving > > meteorites. > > > > Shawn Alan > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
Why would you kill a year? Regards, Eric On 3/22/2010 10:13 PM, Darren Garrison wrote: On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: age of 4.4 kyr. What does the kyr stand for and is this another way of saying years? The article goes on to say that the Kiloyears. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:07:59 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: >age of 4.4 kyr. What does the kyr stand for and is this another way of >saying years? The article goes on to say that the Kiloyears. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question about terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr
Hello Listers, Today has been a busy day about the topic of money and meteorites. I have more of a science question and hope someone could answer my question. I was reading an article tonight about NWA 869 and it said that the samples yielded a terrestrial age of 4.4 kyr. What does the kyr stand for and is this another way of saying years? The article goes on to say that the terrestrial age is consistent with the low degree of weathering (W1). I am guessing 4.4 kyr means 4.4 years from the low level of weather, but again, the desert climate is a perfect environment for preserving meteorites. Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Recovered by? meteorite
Dear List, What is the meaning of "Recovered by"? Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Old Meteor Crater brochure - can anyone date it?
Hi Listees, I recently scored this vintage Meteor Crater brochure and it's obviously older than I am, it's undated. Can anyone tell me what year (or thereabouts) this brochure was made or first used? I am assuming from the look of it and what it says, that it must be late 1950's, maybe early 1960's? Here are some photos - http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure-2.jpg http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj24/Meteoritethrower/Meteorites/crater-brochure-3.jpg Any help would be appreciated. :) Thanks in advance, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Search for space rocks comes up empty
I thought the last paragraph (quoted below) seemed interesting- possibly another meteorite series? Mike "A film crew from the National Geographic Channel filmed McCausland's work in Grimsby on Friday and Saturday as part of a TV episode called Space Fireballs, which is part of the National Geographic Channel's Naked Science series. No air date has been set." http://www.wellandtribune.ca/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=2502218 Search for space rocks comes up empty Posted By MONIQUE BEECH, QMI AGENCY An avid metal detector enthusiast, Brenda Found couldn't help but feel a twinge of envy over her friend's rare find. Her buddy, Robin, unearthed the ultimate prize last fall: A meteorite hiding in a Winona baseball diamond. Since then, the 71-year-old's been looking for her own chunks of magnet-loving space rock -- pieces of the 4.6-billion-year-old fiery ball that blasted into the Grimsby and Winona area on Sept. 25. She thought she'd scored after finding two tiny rocks from the same Winona park. But scientists told her they were Earth rocks, not the galaxy variety. But when the Grimsby resident heard University of Western Ontario planetary scientist Phil McCausland and a team of volunteers would be taking another look at farmers' fields and escarpment properties in town over the weekend, the magnetic pull was there. Reluctant to go trekking through a field of soybean stock stumps on a cold grey day, Found surveyed the team of eight science researchers, students and area residents from the sidelines of the Ridge Road farm property. "It's No. 1, actually, because it's very expensive," Found said of the metal-detector prize that tops all others. "It's good value, if you find one. A lot more so than gold." For McCausland, the value in finding the rocks is what they reveal about the history of the solar system. Searches done last fall by researchers and amateurs turned up 13 tiny meteorites weighing a paltry total of 215 grams. The biggest chunk found was 69 grams. Bigger pieces will be useful to be able to distribute more pieces to scientists around the globe to study and for collectors who want their own meteorites, McCausland said. Larger rocks would also offer more details and clues about the context and circumstances of where the rock came from, he said. McCausland said he believes there could be at least 100 pieces out there, and the biggest ones have yet to be unearthed. He spent Friday and Saturday combing farmers' fields on top of the escarpment looking for bigger pieces of space rock, without success. "Generally speaking, it's hard to find meteorites in this fall," McCausland said of the massive fireball from an asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter that a network of cameras caught streaking across the sky. "It's not a very productive fall. There's some meteorites that fell in this general region. We're still talking in numbers, probably less than 100 that could be recognizable. ... I venture to say that we might stick at 13 or we might find ultimately upwards of 20 or so out of it and that may be it. There may be other ones and we'll never find them." The two-day search might have been the last official combing of the area for rock finds. Researchers are running out of time, money and volunteers for their systematic search. A film crew from the National Geographic Channel filmed McCausland's work in Grimsby on Friday and Saturday as part of a TV episode called Space Fireballs, which is part of the National Geographic Channel's Naked Science series. No air date has been set. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alternatives to feeBay
Hello listoids, Do any of you here recommend any online auction sites that have that have low sell/insertion fees and have PayPal available as a payment option? Thanks --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Reclaim your name @ymail.com or @rocketmail.com. Get your new email address now! Go to http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/jacko/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Alternatives to ebay
Hello listoids, Do any of you here recommend any online auction sites that have that have low sell/insertion fees and have PayPal available as a payment option? Thanks --- Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 Unclassified meteorites are like a box of chocolates... you never know what you're gonna get! __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD and a hello!! Hey, New guy here. Wanted to show off my new hunting tool.
Hi Jason, I made a very similar device a few years ago. You can see it here: http://illinoismeteorites.com/cgi-bin/board/YaBB.pl?num=1208722522 Jim K Jason wrote: Hi I wanted to say hello and also show off my new hunting tool. I am mostly a gold nugget hunter and I have had this setup on my mind for some time now to clear the junk metal prior to detecting for nuggets. But then I watched a recent TV show. You all know which one. And it hit me that this would carry over very well to the meteorite guys/gals also. I am building them with the best rare earth magnets I can get. I have a small web site and some videos of it working. I know this will cover more ground and help out with all the little bits of meteorites in a strewn field. Check it out if you guys get a chance. Glad to be here and I am keeping a closer eye on the magnetic rocks we have been finding while detecting the wilderness. I fear I may have tossed a few meteorites not knowing thats what they where. I will keep anything even close from now on! Here is the link: http://meteorsweep.webs.com/ Thanks, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bound Catalogs?
All, I have gotten a number of private responses to my inquiry. It seems that no one who answered has used a on demand printing company to publish a catalog in the way I was thinking but some have done something similar at their local Kinkos using a spiral bindng. Thanks to everyone who took the time to respond. On searching the Blurb website for "meteorite" I find only one book, which is filled with watercolor paintings of meteorites. http://www.blurb.com/books/310844 No catalogs yet. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men effects
Thank you for the insight, Steve. I had a feeling the instant field appraisals were not instigated by you and Geoff. Keep up the good work, and good luck scoring a season 2. Linton - Original Message - From: To: "Adam Hupe" ; ; "Adam" Sent: Monday, March 22, 2010 1:41 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men effects Hey list, Interesting topic. I thought I would change the Subject Line though. Let me give you guys a little behind the scenes understanding of what happens in the making of Meteorite Men. There is a production company that owns the show by the name of LMNO Productions. They have been around maybe for 20 years with 150 or so different programs under their belt. Some were long running series, some were just one-offs, but they have a very experienced staff of professionals that know what they are doing. They came up with the idea of the Meteorite Men show after reading a front page story about me in the LA Times back in 2007. They had not seen anything about the earlier programs Geoff and I (nor anyone else) had been on when they called me that first time. They made a short 4 min video and pitched it to a handful of networks, and Science Channel gave them the best offer for a pilot, so they took it. Geoff and I were hired as the "Talent" and we were in show business! Now here is how it works: there is an Executive Producer assigned by the network to oversee the production of the episodes. Geoff and I have a boss, that is the show's Executive Producer who has a boss that is the owner of the LMNO Production Company. We all, in reality, have one customer, and that is the Science Channel's Executive Producer. If this one man is happy, we get paid. If he is not happy, they keep sending the video back to get it changed to how he likes it. Once it is adjusted to how he likes it, we get paid. In theory, the Executive Producer on the Network side hopefully knows what his network's audience will like, and he directs us all in the right direction. If not, he gets fired. Rest assured, nothing makes it onto your TV sets at home that is not exacly what he wants. Now, we have been told that if we do get a second season, the network will send the episodes from the first season to some very exhaustive market research, where carefully selected participants will sit in dark rooms watching the episodes with a dial in their hands. When they like something on the show, they dial it one way. When they don't like something, they dial it the other way. Sometimes this gets to be subconscious in the minds of the viewing research subjects. But it is very scientific, and it is the one way to actually trump the personal opinion of the networks EP. If every time my face is on screen, most or all the people turn their dials to the right, and every time Geoff is on screen, they turn it to the left...well...then there might jkust be tryouts for a replacement Meteorite Man to take one of our spots. If they don't like my Tshirt, or the way I go "Oh, oh, oh..." Right before each comercial. But rather they like how I say "Geoff, look what I found!" then we can rest ashured I will be instructed what to say or not say in the future, or by the magic of "post-production" I will say the right things before all the future commercial breaks. Each of first 7 episodes were quite different in many ways. It will be interesting what the market testing might end up revealing. If the key demographics don't like the values of the meteorite being revealed during the show, then I'm sure what our one "customer" wants will end up changing. And in turn, that will change the directives to our production company in how the put future shows together in post production. Starting a letter writing campaign to Science Channel might be tempting, but unless you have a Nielson Box, on your TV, I don't think it will help. Let me point out that about a dozen years or so ago, I did a promotional campaign in the media that generated 240 samples of suspected meteorites being sent to me. Out of that batch, 3 were genuine meteorites. I could have complained about the 79 wrongs for each 'rite, but I didn't. It is a numbers game. Yes it can get frustrating dealing with the wrongs and the people who send them in. May I suggest that if you are such a person who easily gets frustrated, don't solicit that people send you samples to evaluate. I'm sure there are more than enough others to pick up the slack. Who knows what all the good and bad will be from the Meteorite Men series? Let's have this discussion in 40 years, and if 20 of us talk then, we still will probably have 20 different takes on it then. I understand in general, some people are "the glass is half empty" pessimistic types, and they often really enjoy being negative. While others are the "half full" optimistic types. And of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. But, much, if not
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
All: I took another look at all these boxes... and thought... "what if the first Lunar from North America appeared." It could happen. The more people looking and getting stones checked, I think more meteorites will be discovered. Greg S. > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:20:26 + > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men effects
Hey list, Interesting topic. I thought I would change the Subject Line though. Let me give you guys a little behind the scenes understanding of what happens in the making of Meteorite Men. There is a production company that owns the show by the name of LMNO Productions. They have been around maybe for 20 years with 150 or so different programs under their belt. Some were long running series, some were just one-offs, but they have a very experienced staff of professionals that know what they are doing. They came up with the idea of the Meteorite Men show after reading a front page story about me in the LA Times back in 2007. They had not seen anything about the earlier programs Geoff and I (nor anyone else) had been on when they called me that first time. They made a short 4 min video and pitched it to a handful of networks, and Science Channel gave them the best offer for a pilot, so they took it. Geoff and I were hired as the "Talent" and we were in show business! Now here is how it works: there is an Executive Producer assigned by the network to oversee the production of the episodes. Geoff and I have a boss, that is the show's Executive Producer who has a boss that is the owner of the LMNO Production Company. We all, in reality, have one customer, and that is the Science Channel's Executive Producer. If this one man is happy, we get paid. If he is not happy, they keep sending the video back to get it changed to how he likes it. Once it is adjusted to how he likes it, we get paid. In theory, the Executive Producer on the Network side hopefully knows what his network's audience will like, and he directs us all in the right direction. If not, he gets fired. Rest assured, nothing makes it onto your TV sets at home that is not exacly what he wants. Now, we have been told that if we do get a second season, the network will send the episodes from the first season to some very exhaustive market research, where carefully selected participants will sit in dark rooms watching the episodes with a dial in their hands. When they like something on the show, they dial it one way. When they don't like something, they dial it the other way. Sometimes this gets to be subconscious in the minds of the viewing research subjects. But it is very scientific, and it is the one way to actually trump the personal opinion of the networks EP. If every time my face is on screen, most or all the people turn their dials to the right, and every time Geoff is on screen, they turn it to the left...well...then there might jkust be tryouts for a replacement Meteorite Man to take one of our spots. If they don't like my Tshirt, or the way I go "Oh, oh, oh..." Right before each comercial. But rather they like how I say "Geoff, look what I found!" then we can rest ashured I will be instructed what to say or not say in the future, or by the magic of "post-production" I will say the right things before all the future commercial breaks. Each of first 7 episodes were quite different in many ways. It will be interesting what the market testing might end up revealing. If the key demographics don't like the values of the meteorite being revealed during the show, then I'm sure what our one "customer" wants will end up changing. And in turn, that will change the directives to our production company in how the put future shows together in post production. Starting a letter writing campaign to Science Channel might be tempting, but unless you have a Nielson Box, on your TV, I don't think it will help. Let me point out that about a dozen years or so ago, I did a promotional campaign in the media that generated 240 samples of suspected meteorites being sent to me. Out of that batch, 3 were genuine meteorites. I could have complained about the 79 wrongs for each 'rite, but I didn't. It is a numbers game. Yes it can get frustrating dealing with the wrongs and the people who send them in. May I suggest that if you are such a person who easily gets frustrated, don't solicit that people send you samples to evaluate. I'm sure there are more than enough others to pick up the slack. Who knows what all the good and bad will be from the Meteorite Men series? Let's have this discussion in 40 years, and if 20 of us talk then, we still will probably have 20 different takes on it then. I understand in general, some people are "the glass is half empty" pessimistic types, and they often really enjoy being negative. While others are the "half full" optimistic types. And of course everyone is entitled to their opinion. But, much, if not most of this is out of both Geoff's and my hands, not to mention anyone else reading this. What happens is going to happen anyway. So, my advice would be for people to plan to take advantage of the change(s) as best you can. Last night the US Congress passed some radical changes that will dramatically effect a lot of people's lives in respect t
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Increase in Meteorite "help me" or "buy me" emails.
Al, Brilliantly stated. look no farther than Almahatta sitta. It's crust is wrong (some pieces have crusts with holes in them while others have no crust) . It's SG weight is wrong (most meteorites feel heavy whereas most of these do not) . It's morphology and texture are wrong ( most meteorites are smooth while many of these are very rough and jagged and have pores ) . It's lack of metal ( some pieces lack metal) And finally , some pieces look totally different than others (because they are totally different) Very cool. Between Almahatta Sitta and Lovina alone, it seems to me we need to take a second and third look at every prospect. As these are two of the most amazing meteorites ever. I hear there will soon be announced a new meteorite that is nearly 50% magnetite? Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax almi...@localnet.com wrote: > Greetings Mike and all, > > Good topic and I want to comment on it. Not aimed at anyone person, but > perhaps aimed at new dealers or collectors who might want to try to > identify meteorites. > > It is important to not dismiss samples too quickly when checking them > out. Going through the proper tests and taking time to really look is > important. There is ALWAYS a possibility that some new type material > might be found that doesn't fit in to the norm of meteorites you might > have or have seen. Nininger pointed this out. Try to look for fall > features, structure on a micro level, crust and the many other features > an sample might have. If you can't dismiss it too easily then you might > want to send it to a good lab to have some testing done on it. I am > sure there have been specimens found that didn't fit in the norm and > were thrown out as wrongs. > > Checking out specimens is a big responcibilty to the owner of the > material and must be done in the most cautious way so no item is > overlooked. Best > > --AL Mitterling > > > > > Hi List! > > > > Are any of the other dealers noticing a big increase in emails from > > unknown people wanting you to ID their suspected meteorite or buy > > their suspected meteorite? > > > > In the last couple of weeks, I have gotten a flood of emails from > > people around the country and the world - all wanting me to identify > > their obvious meteorwrong, or to purchase their meteorwrong. One guy > > claimed to be in China, but had a Russian email address, and he > > attached some photos of an obvious industrial slag which he claimed > > was a meteorite and he even had a bogus "lab report" to prove it. > > Some of these are honest folks who are confused or misinformed, but > > many are scammers. Do the scammers think because we deal meteorites, > > we must be dumb or something? Because some of these so-called > > "meteorites" they try to push on me are obviously bogus - so bogus a > > blindman or a fool could tell they are not meteorites. > > > > Is this another after-effect from the Meteorite Men TV show? Or just > > a fluke? > > > > Best regards, > > > > MikeG > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD and a hello!! Hey, New guy here. Wanted to show off my new hunting tool.
Hi I wanted to say hello and also show off my new hunting tool. I am mostly a gold nugget hunter and I have had this setup on my mind for some time now to clear the junk metal prior to detecting for nuggets. But then I watched a recent TV show. You all know which one. And it hit me that this would carry over very well to the meteorite guys/gals also. I am building them with the best rare earth magnets I can get. I have a small web site and some videos of it working. I know this will cover more ground and help out with all the little bits of meteorites in a strewn field. Check it out if you guys get a chance. Glad to be here and I am keeping a closer eye on the magnetic rocks we have been finding while detecting the wilderness. I fear I may have tossed a few meteorites not knowing thats what they where. I will keep anything even close from now on! Here is the link: http://meteorsweep.webs.com/ Thanks, Jason __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
>"the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It >out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided" (Adam >Hupé) Those instant, and might I add very optimistic, appraisals of cash value are the program's raison d'tere. Like was famously said in the film "The Right Stuff", "no bucks...no Buck Rogers." In this case..."no bucks...no Meteorite Men." Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- >From: karm...@email.de >Sent: Mar 22, 2010 1:07 PM >To: Adam Hupe >Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, >2010 > >"the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It >out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided" (Adam >Hupé) > >I couldn't agree with you more, Adam > >Best regards >Martin > > > > >-Ursprüngliche Nachricht- >Von: Adam Hupe >Gesendet: 22.03.2010 17:59:56 >An: Adam >Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, >2010 > >>A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight >>millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized >>new "Moon rock" is a piece of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more >>then slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. >>They know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and >>will not be told otherwise. >> >>I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as >>the bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make >>them the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too >>much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any >>educational benefit this type of show may have provided. The state >>Washington and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on >>federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach >>themselves if the smell of easy money is present. One just has to look at >>the most expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. Now, there is >>always a few fakes listed in the top dollar page. >> >>I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go the way treasure hunting >>did 25 years ago when the avocation almost went extinct, mainly due to the >>press. Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when values are >>put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had to fight for a decade to >>keep a good portion of their major find due to the fact the press attached a >>billion dollar price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on it when >>they didn't lift a finger to find it. The press made it look easy when in >>fact Mel suffered many hardships including the loss of his sons life. >> >> >>Best Regards, >> >>Adam >> >> >> >> >> >>- Original Message >>From: "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" >>To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >> >>Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM >>Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 >> >>http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html >> >> >> >> >>--- >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>Thumbed On My BlackBerry >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> >>__ >>Visit the Archives at >>http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>Meteorite-list mailing list >>Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Beyond $ re Rocks from Space Picture of the Day & Meteorite Men
Dear Richard, Eric & all, Science, science, science That is what most people think about Or focus on with meteorites - and that is absolutely great, HOWEVER, There are many other aspects of appeal re meteorites, and I am not talking About monetary value. I went through a variety of phases over many years regarding the Focus of my Collecting. At first I was totally into whole stones and irons. Then, who can resist a pallasite, the virtues of which are hidden except In slices (or at LEAST a cut and polished face). Then I went through the Old "type" obsession (a good one) and then a period of only H3s, L3s, LL3s, CV3s, etc. Now, most know I am obsessed with hammers and have a couple Of "close second" place obsessions - holes and oriented specimens. Hammers, Holes and Oriented specimens have less and less to do with the science and More and more to do with esthetics, history, "romance" etc. So, the point is, while many may be attracted to "the whole meteorite thing" because of the monetary values mentioned on the show, That does not mean their focus will stop there. If anyone has ever found Coins from a sunken ship (ie Greg Hupe, Cecil and I several years back) You would know that you become obsessed with knowing more about the Specifics of the lost ship(s) and that spreads to all lost ships and recovered coins and other recoveries. $ is nice, but there is a spreading influence of INTEREST far beyond The $. Best wishes, Michael On 3/22/10 12:47 PM, "Richard Kowalski" wrote: > Eric > > Actually The Onion is a humor site: > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickenshit-asteroid-veers-away-at-last-minut > e,2722/ > > I think we are in agreement about the emphasis of the value of meteorites in > the episodes, but I disagree about how important that is to get and keep an > audience. I predict those values, realistic or not, will become very dated, > very quickly, but the science will not become dated, or wrong any time soon. > > I've watched each episode at least twice, have them all on DVD, and continue > to often have it on when they air as background, but more and more I find > myself paying less and less attention to the comments about the quoted values. > The comments and interactions between Geoff & Steve, Dr. Garvey, their > mannerisms and expressions, their techniques, comments, and on and on are much > more interesting... To me at least. Of course if there was more science, that > would be better still. Much... > > There will always be those excited by value, but those viewers will come and > go rapidly. A long term sustained and growing base of viewers has to come from > those interested in the science. If not, Geoff, Steve, the production company > and Science channel and their parent, Discovery, will have missed a huge > opportunity. > > > Cheers > > -- > Richard Kowalski > Full Moon Photography > IMCA #1081 > > > --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, >> 2010 >> To: "Richard Kowalski" >> Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:17 PM >> Hi Richard, List, >> >> I don't think you're actually disagreeing with me totally. >> ;) The >> Science Channel is in fact about science, but... >> >> Your comment "...However, to say that the producers had to >> emphasis the >> monetary value of meteorites as much as they do just to get >> the ratings >> is non-sense. IMHO..." >> >> Read this: >> http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science >> -any-f,2897/ >> >> I know TheOnion.com is an opinion site, but that's what >> this is my >> opinion. I do think it's about ratings. That what TV is >> for. Good >> ratings pulls higher advertising sales which results in >> higher profits >> for the network. The secondary is to educate. Unless you're >> a public >> non-profit and get government funding which the Science >> channel is not. >> They have to pay for their overhead, as well as make enough >> to continue >> to educates. It's is after all a business. >> >> The Science Channel is AWESOME in my opinion, I watch it >> everyday. There >> are LOTS of great shows I record on my DVR and watch over >> and over >> again. Just like a good book you learn something new each >> time. There >> are lots of great shows, Cosmic Collisions, Killer >> Asteroids, and other >> astronomy related shows I can't get enough of. >> >> My comment used the word "Most". "...Most of this can all >> be summed up >> in one word. Ratings" >> >> What I was referring to is the entertainment and interest >> value of >> proclaiming over inflated prices on all the stones they >> found, as well >> as the adventure type theme playing a big part in keeping >> people >> interested. People in the meteorite world know the prices >> are not >> totally realistic, but it "sounds good" to viewers and >>
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
>>However, today's programs are better than they were 5 or 10 years ago. Back then Nova SUCKED. I wouldn't even waste the electricity to be tuned in to Nova back then...<< We must have watched the same programs. :O) GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Darren, Thank you once again for keeping things in perspective. The meteorite Men are great and so is the show. Whatever happens. Period. Thank you Steve and Geoff. It's all good. And for those of you who no longer want to help newbies, please feel free to refer them to me. I am more than happy to check out their finds. Anytime. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Darren Garrison wrote: > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:51:09 -0700, you wrote: > > >When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the > >viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make > >some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. > > Or, even more to the point-- the Science channel does not exist to educate-- > it > exists to make money. So they sacrafice educational quality for the sake of > getting a bigger audience. > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/ > > You want educational programming? Go with PBS. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Darren Garrison wrote: > You want educational programming? Go with PBS. Even they have been failing that. Compare NOVA today from those made in the 80s. The programs made back then were usually head and shoulders above the level of today's productions. However, today's programs are better than they were 5 or 10 years ago. Back then Nova SUCKED. I wouldn't even waste the electricity to be tuned in to Nova back then... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Yes - unfortunate, but true. If they do not get the audience (cha-ching), then the shows will not last. Look at the shows "Pawn Stars" and now "American Pickers." They are similar to "Antiques Roadshow," but really focus on the monetary value of items and how much profit can be made. But that's what collectibles are: finding items of value. True scientists are interested in the scientific importance leading to discoveries of our solar system. For that - science shows on PBS are the best and always will be. Greg S. > From: cyna...@charter.net > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 15:36:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, > 2010 > > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:51:09 -0700, you wrote: > >>When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the >>viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make >>some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. > > Or, even more to the point-- the Science channel does not exist to educate-- > it > exists to make money. So they sacrafice educational quality for the sake of > getting a bigger audience. > > http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/ > > You want educational programming? Go with PBS. > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/210850552/direct/01/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Eric Actually The Onion is a humor site: http://www.theonion.com/articles/chickenshit-asteroid-veers-away-at-last-minute,2722/ I think we are in agreement about the emphasis of the value of meteorites in the episodes, but I disagree about how important that is to get and keep an audience. I predict those values, realistic or not, will become very dated, very quickly, but the science will not become dated, or wrong any time soon. I've watched each episode at least twice, have them all on DVD, and continue to often have it on when they air as background, but more and more I find myself paying less and less attention to the comments about the quoted values. The comments and interactions between Geoff & Steve, Dr. Garvey, their mannerisms and expressions, their techniques, comments, and on and on are much more interesting... To me at least. Of course if there was more science, that would be better still. Much... There will always be those excited by value, but those viewers will come and go rapidly. A long term sustained and growing base of viewers has to come from those interested in the science. If not, Geoff, Steve, the production company and Science channel and their parent, Discovery, will have missed a huge opportunity. Cheers -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, > 2010 > To: "Richard Kowalski" > Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:17 PM > Hi Richard, List, > > I don't think you're actually disagreeing with me totally. > ;) The > Science Channel is in fact about science, but... > > Your comment "...However, to say that the producers had to > emphasis the > monetary value of meteorites as much as they do just to get > the ratings > is non-sense. IMHO..." > > Read this: > http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/ > > I know TheOnion.com is an opinion site, but that's what > this is my > opinion. I do think it's about ratings. That what TV is > for. Good > ratings pulls higher advertising sales which results in > higher profits > for the network. The secondary is to educate. Unless you're > a public > non-profit and get government funding which the Science > channel is not. > They have to pay for their overhead, as well as make enough > to continue > to educates. It's is after all a business. > > The Science Channel is AWESOME in my opinion, I watch it > everyday. There > are LOTS of great shows I record on my DVR and watch over > and over > again. Just like a good book you learn something new each > time. There > are lots of great shows, Cosmic Collisions, Killer > Asteroids, and other > astronomy related shows I can't get enough of. > > My comment used the word "Most". "...Most of this can all > be summed up > in one word. Ratings" > > What I was referring to is the entertainment and interest > value of > proclaiming over inflated prices on all the stones they > found, as well > as the adventure type theme playing a big part in keeping > people > interested. People in the meteorite world know the prices > are not > totally realistic, but it "sounds good" to viewers and > makes it more > interesting to those that would normally tune out. Those in > the die hard > science community may look at the show as a money maker, > and they are right. > > I'm not disagreeing with you Richard, I think there should > have been > more science, I think more emphasis needed to be made on > the importance > of recording find locations, and I believe that the > constant, > "cha-ching" relationship with each find was a little > overplayed. Perhaps > next season will produce a more balanced show with more > hard science. > With of course a good mix of adventure and treasure > hunting! ;) > > Meteorites are after all a treasure in more than once sense > of the word. > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > > > > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Increase in Meteorite "help me" or "buy me" emails.
Greetings Mike and all, Good topic and I want to comment on it. Not aimed at anyone person, but perhaps aimed at new dealers or collectors who might want to try to identify meteorites. It is important to not dismiss samples too quickly when checking them out. Going through the proper tests and taking time to really look is important. There is ALWAYS a possibility that some new type material might be found that doesn't fit in to the norm of meteorites you might have or have seen. Nininger pointed this out. Try to look for fall features, structure on a micro level, crust and the many other features an sample might have. If you can't dismiss it too easily then you might want to send it to a good lab to have some testing done on it. I am sure there have been specimens found that didn't fit in the norm and were thrown out as wrongs. Checking out specimens is a big responcibilty to the owner of the material and must be done in the most cautious way so no item is overlooked. Best --AL Mitterling Hi List! Are any of the other dealers noticing a big increase in emails from unknown people wanting you to ID their suspected meteorite or buy their suspected meteorite? In the last couple of weeks, I have gotten a flood of emails from people around the country and the world - all wanting me to identify their obvious meteorwrong, or to purchase their meteorwrong. One guy claimed to be in China, but had a Russian email address, and he attached some photos of an obvious industrial slag which he claimed was a meteorite and he even had a bogus "lab report" to prove it. Some of these are honest folks who are confused or misinformed, but many are scammers. Do the scammers think because we deal meteorites, we must be dumb or something? Because some of these so-called "meteorites" they try to push on me are obviously bogus - so bogus a blindman or a fool could tell they are not meteorites. Is this another after-effect from the Meteorite Men TV show? Or just a fluke? Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:51:09 -0700, you wrote: >When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the >viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make >some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. Or, even more to the point-- the Science channel does not exist to educate-- it exists to make money. So they sacrafice educational quality for the sake of getting a bigger audience. http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/ You want educational programming? Go with PBS. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Hi Richard, List, I don't think you're actually disagreeing with me totally. ;) The Science Channel is in fact about science, but... Your comment "...However, to say that the producers had to emphasis the monetary value of meteorites as much as they do just to get the ratings is non-sense. IMHO..." Read this: http://www.theonion.com/articles/science-channel-refuses-to-dumb-down-science-any-f,2897/ I know TheOnion.com is an opinion site, but that's what this is my opinion. I do think it's about ratings. That what TV is for. Good ratings pulls higher advertising sales which results in higher profits for the network. The secondary is to educate. Unless you're a public non-profit and get government funding which the Science channel is not. They have to pay for their overhead, as well as make enough to continue to educates. It's is after all a business. The Science Channel is AWESOME in my opinion, I watch it everyday. There are LOTS of great shows I record on my DVR and watch over and over again. Just like a good book you learn something new each time. There are lots of great shows, Cosmic Collisions, Killer Asteroids, and other astronomy related shows I can't get enough of. My comment used the word "Most". "...Most of this can all be summed up in one word. Ratings" What I was referring to is the entertainment and interest value of proclaiming over inflated prices on all the stones they found, as well as the adventure type theme playing a big part in keeping people interested. People in the meteorite world know the prices are not totally realistic, but it "sounds good" to viewers and makes it more interesting to those that would normally tune out. Those in the die hard science community may look at the show as a money maker, and they are right. I'm not disagreeing with you Richard, I think there should have been more science, I think more emphasis needed to be made on the importance of recording find locations, and I believe that the constant, "cha-ching" relationship with each find was a little overplayed. Perhaps next season will produce a more balanced show with more hard science. With of course a good mix of adventure and treasure hunting! ;) Meteorites are after all a treasure in more than once sense of the word. Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 3/22/2010 11:35 AM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Hey Eric. I have to disagreed with you on some of your points. Overall I do agree with you that the program has increased the awareness of meteorites and has probably grown the collector base a little so far. I suspect that the base will probably grow even more as the show continues in reruns. (At least one episode seems to be on at one time or another nearly every day. Buzzard Coulee is on again tonight). Over all this is probably a good thing... Institutions that accept submissions should have guessed they'd see an increase in meteorwrongs being sent to them and I can only assume that ASU expected it since they are so prominently featured in the program. However, to say that the producers had to emphasis the monetary value of meteorites as much as they do just to get the ratings is non-sense. IMHO. The network the show was intended for, and continues to air on is, ... wait for it... The SCIENCE Channel People who watch this channel expect science; Real science. Popular science, even at times pseudo-science, but science none the less... They are looking to be educated. At least one can hope they are. Just looking ahead at the programming over the next day I see programs on ancient Egypt, Black Holes, Killer Asteroids, how things are manufactured, etc., etc. Not one discusses how you can go out and find treasure on the ground just waiting for you to come and pick it up. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest disappointment I have with the program is the emphasis that was placed on the value of the meteorites, and the lack of time spent discussing the science. I have heard the same thing from colleagues and researchers in the field. The responses I've heard from every one of them is the show is good, but the fact that they put a value on every single stone they find is troublesome. "Where is the science?" is the most recurrent refrain. During The Show last month I heard rumors that at least one and possibly two more meteorite hunter programs were being pitched or in the early stages of production, mostly because of the success of Meteorite Men. I can only hope that Geoff and Steve's producers will focus on the science a bit more if/when cycle two begins, but I fear that if these other meteorite programs make it to air, they'll take a cue from "MM" and focus on the value of meteorites. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Meteorites USA wrote: From: Meteorites USA Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 To: meteorite-lis
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Dear List, I guess I am a realist. I saw my last passion, Treasure Hunting destroyed by a few feeding the pigeons (the press.) At first, the news they reported was exciting. Later the press seemed to focus on the uglier side of the avocation with time realizing better ratings. They seemed to only report on those breaking the law instead of what good was coming from it. They would report people midnight gardening (illegally digging) on heritage sites instead of the amateur treasure hunter who helped somebody locate their lost and treasured wedding ring or a hobbyist helping the police department locate metallic evidence. They seemed to only focus on how valuable other finds were and that the public was being ripped off. A mostly positive hobby was nearly destroyed in a single decade. City, state and federal parks became off limits almost over night. Laws were twisted, become unclear and most hung up their metal detectors for good. Others joined clubs, came up with a universal code of ethics and chose professional spokespeople to deal with the press when not avoiding it. It took decades to partially restore the reputation of this activity as a family type pursuit. Still, there are very few areas that are not off-limits like the heydays of the 70s when they were free to roam about. Thier number one unspoken but clear rule "Do not feed the pigeons, good or bad." Here is a hypothetical scenario: Somebody digs a hole looking for meteorites that are far more valuable than gold or even diamonds according to what they heard on TV and leaves it uncovered. Then some poor unsuspecting victim breaks their ankle in that uncovered hole and and then the word gets out. The press reports it and now this area is off-limits permanently to others. Then all meteorite hunters will be judged as disrespectful filthy treasure hunters who could care less about other people's rights even though the vast majority are good law abiding citizens. The motivation for digging was due to this unsavory person believing the monetary reward was worth the risks. It only takes one person who has little regard for other people to cause a lot of damage. This has already happened at Meteor Crater but was cattle breaking their legs, not a human victim. I see this hobby going the same way. The only reason I am engaging in this thread is that I really care. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Meteorites USA To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 10:51:09 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 Hi Adam, List, You really have to take the bad with the good when talking about anything... Most of this can all be summed up in one word. Ratings. It's an unfortunate truth that most people don't like to be "educated". People want to be entertained. When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. The show, which most people I know really enjoyed, was a BIG hit in both the meteorite world and the main stream, was a good mix of adventure and science, but the network HAD to throw in the money thing. The ratings, the popularity, and the next season of the show depended on it. This of course is from a business stand point. >From my perspective, I was a bit disappointed in the amount of "cha-ching" >moments there were versus the hard science or even the adventure. I would have >personally liked to see more science but realistically speaking most people >will tune it out. We, as meteorite people, are interested in it because it's >what we do, we love it! We could watch a full hour on the "Science of >Meteorites". Hell, I could watch a mini-series of 6, 2 hour long shows >dedicated to the science or meteorites. But that's freaking BORING to most >people! The short of it is, the Science channel had to make a business decision. I think the Meteorite Men is a good show "for the masses". It works, people love it, and it's probably going to result in a second season. Here's hoping! I believe you can have a good balance of science, adventure, and treasure hunting in the world of meteorites. It's all related, to exclude one from the other would not be fair nor realistic. Realistically speaking, how many people are going to drop what they are doing and become meteorite hunters? They may get all pumped up after watching the show and go buy a detector and meteorite cane, but once they get in the field and wander the desert or farm fields for a few days with no finds, they'll realize how hard it really is. The difficulty will weed out those who are serious about it. As for the scammers, they're everywhere. You can't make something that reaches millions and promotes "$" without scammers jumping in to take advantage. It happens, and they will also
Re: [meteorite-list] Increased Interest in Meteorites
Hello List Members: This past weekend I attended a rock and mineral show here in Bakersfield, CA and I noticed two things. First: More vendors are selling (and are more knowledgeable of) meteorites now compared to the past. I spoke to a number of people and they had classifications on some stones, and one had a nice 650 gram Campo with a hole in it - he explained to me that this increases the value. I did not buy it but did get an interesting chondrite from him. Second: I could not believe the number of people telling me about the "Meteorite Men" TV show... a lot. Many asked me questions as they knew of my interest in meteorites. I think this is great that more people are becoming interested in meteorites, and I think it will increase demand. If this does happed with perhaps (less supply of NWA stones) meteorites should increase in value - especialy the more presting fresh fusion crusted pieces. It will be interesting to see the trends over the next year. Also, the local rock club here asked me if I wanted to do a presentation on meteorite hunting at one of their meetings. I think it's wonderful seeing so many people showing an interest in meteorites. Greg S. > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 10:58:37 -0700 > From: anitawestl...@att.net > To: raremeteori...@yahoo.com; fuj...@mac.com > CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: [meteorite-list] Increased Interest in Meteorites > > Hi Ya'll: > As President of the Meteorite Association of Georgia, I have seen a recent > increase in interest in meteorites as witnessed by more people joining our > group, more people coming to our individual lectures, etc. > And yes, more uninformed but hopeful people swearing the rock they found in > their back yard was not only hot to the touch when found, but is worth its > weight in platinum. > In order to fend off the nasty replies I get when I patiently explain why > it's NOT a meteorite, I simply tell them this: > "Thank you for contacting us. It is difficult to tell from the photo you > provided, but it appears to me that you have found a piece of slag. I > encourage you to send your photo and/or a piece of the specimen to those who > can test the material with equipment I do not possess." Then, if they write > back asking for places that do testing, I'll provide that info. As of today, > no one has ever requested more information. I don't know if they were happy > with my reply, or simply put my email in the round file. > > Anita > > --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Gary Fujihara wrote: > >> From: Gary Fujihara >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March >> 22, 2010 >> To: "Adam Hupe" >> Cc: "Adam" >> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:11 PM >> I agree with you Adam. As much >> as the Meteorite Men show has provided better awareness to >> meteorites in the general population, it has also spurred >> the conmen and get-rich-quick schemers. >> >> I think the show has been steered by producers to make it >> more appealing to viewers, but in doing so have placed far >> too much emphasis on monetary value and too little on >> scientific importance. This brings all the riffraff out of >> the woodwork and now we are beginning to see the negative >> effects this brings on our hobby/business/passion. My >> 2¢ >> >> gary >> >> On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: >> >>> A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will >> become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen >> when you tell them their prized new "Moon rock" is a piece >> of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then >> slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to >> explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like >> the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. >>> >>> I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be >> put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news >> that their worthless rock will not make them the latest >> millionaire. This is what happens when the media >> focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite >> collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type >> of show may have provided. The state Washington >> and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on >> federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam >> artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy >> money is present. One just has to look at the most >> expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. >> Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar >> page. >>> >>> I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go >> the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation >> almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. >> Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when >> values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had >> to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major >> find due to the fact the press attac
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Hey Eric. I have to disagreed with you on some of your points. Overall I do agree with you that the program has increased the awareness of meteorites and has probably grown the collector base a little so far. I suspect that the base will probably grow even more as the show continues in reruns. (At least one episode seems to be on at one time or another nearly every day. Buzzard Coulee is on again tonight). Over all this is probably a good thing... Institutions that accept submissions should have guessed they'd see an increase in meteorwrongs being sent to them and I can only assume that ASU expected it since they are so prominently featured in the program. However, to say that the producers had to emphasis the monetary value of meteorites as much as they do just to get the ratings is non-sense. IMHO. The network the show was intended for, and continues to air on is, ... wait for it... The SCIENCE Channel People who watch this channel expect science; Real science. Popular science, even at times pseudo-science, but science none the less... They are looking to be educated. At least one can hope they are. Just looking ahead at the programming over the next day I see programs on ancient Egypt, Black Holes, Killer Asteroids, how things are manufactured, etc., etc. Not one discusses how you can go out and find treasure on the ground just waiting for you to come and pick it up. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the biggest disappointment I have with the program is the emphasis that was placed on the value of the meteorites, and the lack of time spent discussing the science. I have heard the same thing from colleagues and researchers in the field. The responses I've heard from every one of them is the show is good, but the fact that they put a value on every single stone they find is troublesome. "Where is the science?" is the most recurrent refrain. During The Show last month I heard rumors that at least one and possibly two more meteorite hunter programs were being pitched or in the early stages of production, mostly because of the success of Meteorite Men. I can only hope that Geoff and Steve's producers will focus on the science a bit more if/when cycle two begins, but I fear that if these other meteorite programs make it to air, they'll take a cue from "MM" and focus on the value of meteorites. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, > 2010 > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 10:51 AM > Hi Adam, List, > > You really have to take the bad with the good when talking > about anything... Most of this can all be summed up in one > word. Ratings. It's an unfortunate truth that most people > don't like to be "educated". People want to be entertained. > > When you concentrate on the education you lose a large > portion of the viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show > to work they had to make some sacrifices for the benefit of > the probable success of the show. The show, which most > people I know really enjoyed, was a BIG hit in both the > meteorite world and the main stream, was a good mix of > adventure and science, but the network HAD to throw in the > money thing. The ratings, the popularity, and the next > season of the show depended on it. This of course is from a > business stand point. > > From my perspective, I was a bit disappointed in the amount > of "cha-ching" moments there were versus the hard science or > even the adventure. I would have personally liked to see > more science but realistically speaking most people will > tune it out. We, as meteorite people, are interested in it > because it's what we do, we love it! We could watch a full > hour on the "Science of Meteorites". Hell, I could watch a > mini-series of 6, 2 hour long shows dedicated to the science > or meteorites. But that's freaking BORING to most people! > > The short of it is, the Science channel had to make a > business decision. I think the Meteorite Men is a good show > "for the masses". It works, people love it, and it's > probably going to result in a second season. Here's hoping! > > I believe you can have a good balance of science, > adventure, and treasure hunting in the world of meteorites. > It's all related, to exclude one from the other would not be > fair nor realistic. > > Realistically speaking, how many people are going to drop > what they are doing and become meteorite hunters? They may > get all pumped up after watching the show and go buy a > detector and meteorite cane, but once they get in the field > and wander the desert or farm fields for a few days with no > finds, they'll realize how hard it really is. The difficulty > will weed out those who are serious about it. As for the > scammers, they're everywhere. You can't make something that > reaches millions
[meteorite-list] Increased Interest in Meteorites
Hi Ya'll: As President of the Meteorite Association of Georgia, I have seen a recent increase in interest in meteorites as witnessed by more people joining our group, more people coming to our individual lectures, etc. And yes, more uninformed but hopeful people swearing the rock they found in their back yard was not only hot to the touch when found, but is worth its weight in platinum. In order to fend off the nasty replies I get when I patiently explain why it's NOT a meteorite, I simply tell them this: "Thank you for contacting us. It is difficult to tell from the photo you provided, but it appears to me that you have found a piece of slag. I encourage you to send your photo and/or a piece of the specimen to those who can test the material with equipment I do not possess." Then, if they write back asking for places that do testing, I'll provide that info. As of today, no one has ever requested more information. I don't know if they were happy with my reply, or simply put my email in the round file. Anita --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Gary Fujihara wrote: > From: Gary Fujihara > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, > 2010 > To: "Adam Hupe" > Cc: "Adam" > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:11 PM > I agree with you Adam. As much > as the Meteorite Men show has provided better awareness to > meteorites in the general population, it has also spurred > the conmen and get-rich-quick schemers. > > I think the show has been steered by producers to make it > more appealing to viewers, but in doing so have placed far > too much emphasis on monetary value and too little on > scientific importance. This brings all the riffraff out of > the woodwork and now we are beginning to see the negative > effects this brings on our hobby/business/passion. My > 2¢ > > gary > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: > > > A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will > become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen > when you tell them their prized new "Moon rock" is a piece > of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then > slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to > explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like > the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. > > > > I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be > put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news > that their worthless rock will not make them the latest > millionaire. This is what happens when the media > focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite > collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type > of show may have provided. The state Washington > and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on > federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam > artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy > money is present. One just has to look at the most > expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. > Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar > page. > > > > I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go > the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation > almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. > Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when > values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had > to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major > find due to the fact the press attached a billion dollar > price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on > it when they didn't lift a finger to find it. The > press made it look easy when in fact Mel suffered many > hardships including the loss of his sons life. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > > > To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > > > Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of > the Day - March 22, 2010 > > > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ > http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html > (808) 640-9161 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteorit
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Hi Adam, List, You really have to take the bad with the good when talking about anything... Most of this can all be summed up in one word. Ratings. It's an unfortunate truth that most people don't like to be "educated". People want to be entertained. When you concentrate on the education you lose a large portion of the viewing audience. For the Meteorite Men show to work they had to make some sacrifices for the benefit of the probable success of the show. The show, which most people I know really enjoyed, was a BIG hit in both the meteorite world and the main stream, was a good mix of adventure and science, but the network HAD to throw in the money thing. The ratings, the popularity, and the next season of the show depended on it. This of course is from a business stand point. From my perspective, I was a bit disappointed in the amount of "cha-ching" moments there were versus the hard science or even the adventure. I would have personally liked to see more science but realistically speaking most people will tune it out. We, as meteorite people, are interested in it because it's what we do, we love it! We could watch a full hour on the "Science of Meteorites". Hell, I could watch a mini-series of 6, 2 hour long shows dedicated to the science or meteorites. But that's freaking BORING to most people! The short of it is, the Science channel had to make a business decision. I think the Meteorite Men is a good show "for the masses". It works, people love it, and it's probably going to result in a second season. Here's hoping! I believe you can have a good balance of science, adventure, and treasure hunting in the world of meteorites. It's all related, to exclude one from the other would not be fair nor realistic. Realistically speaking, how many people are going to drop what they are doing and become meteorite hunters? They may get all pumped up after watching the show and go buy a detector and meteorite cane, but once they get in the field and wander the desert or farm fields for a few days with no finds, they'll realize how hard it really is. The difficulty will weed out those who are serious about it. As for the scammers, they're everywhere. You can't make something that reaches millions and promotes "$" without scammers jumping in to take advantage. It happens, and they will also weed themselves out. The Meteorite Men show has also grown the collector base! Lest we forget. More collectors divided by same amount of material for collecting, creates higher demand equals market growth. Some people don't want to see this growth as the believe it will undermine the science, but I believe it will be an ultimate boon to science by interesting more people about meteorites, and the knowledge one can learn. It's hard to say how many people will be motivated to become next generation scientists, but the simple fact is MILLIONS of people now have a chance to own a meteorite and they are becoming more interested in the science. Regardless of how you feel about the Meteorite Men show, I think this will be a positive thing in the future. People are becoming more aware of their world, the science, and the adventure. If people can make a living doing it too, then I say go for it! Keep in mind there are lots of kids and young adults that watch too, they are in school and will be motivated to become meteoriticists, astronomers, astrobiologists, or even astronauts. They could become the next generation engineers which launch toward a manned asteroid discovery team which may land a human being on an asteroid! Manned space flights to a nearby comet anyone? I say yell it from the rooftops! Stream live video around the world. Let everyone know about meteorites, and the wonders they bring to human kind! Oh yeah, meteorites are cool... ;) Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA On 3/22/2010 9:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized new "Moon rock" is a piece of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make them the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided. The state Washington and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy money is present. One just has to look at the most expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. N
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Plus Notice: Meteorites For Sale Price Increase
Thank you for that response Ted. But true as your statement may be, it still appears as though we in Hawaii live in a third world country by the rates imposed by couriers to ship simple packages to and from us. Arrrgh! gary On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:23 AM, ted brattstrom wrote: > Aloha - > > Amazingly, Hawaii IS part of the USA and uses the USPS - so, shipping (USPS) > to Hawaii, for the past few decades has been the same as to the other 49 > states!!! (yes, UPS is over priced!) > > We've been a state for just over 50 years... > > BTW, you can even use USPS to American Samoa, Guam, CNMI and some of the > former Trust Territories - as they are part of USPS!!! > > Cheers - ted > > > --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > >> From: Meteorites USA >> Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Plus Notice: Meteorites For Sale Price Increase >> Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 12:40 PM >> Hi Listees, >> > >> The good news is shipping >> is still cheap on most orders in the USA. Even shipping to >> Hawaii is relatively cheap between $5 and $15 depending on >> weight. >> >> Regards, >> Eric Wichman >> Meteorites USA > > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
>>A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight millionaires. << With this being said, I can't help thinking that the new buyers and collectors now have the mindset that they will have to pay a little more if they wanted a meteorite of their own from a dealer. GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Increase in Meteorite "help me" or "buy me" emails.
We have not been inundated at the IfA like Laurence at ASU (see today's RFSPoD), but certainly have noticed an increase in rock submissions and email and phone inquiries. This in addition to all the suspect material on ebay, and I would say that the show has been successful in bringing better awareness to meteorites. gary On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:16 AM, Galactic Stone & Ironworks wrote: > Hi List! > > Are any of the other dealers noticing a big increase in emails from > unknown people wanting you to ID their suspected meteorite or buy > their suspected meteorite? > > In the last couple of weeks, I have gotten a flood of emails from > people around the country and the world - all wanting me to identify > their obvious meteorwrong, or to purchase their meteorwrong. One guy > claimed to be in China, but had a Russian email address, and he > attached some photos of an obvious industrial slag which he claimed > was a meteorite and he even had a bogus "lab report" to prove it. > Some of these are honest folks who are confused or misinformed, but > many are scammers. Do the scammers think because we deal meteorites, > we must be dumb or something? Because some of these so-called > "meteorites" they try to push on me are obviously bogus - so bogus a > blindman or a fool could tell they are not meteorites. > > Is this another after-effect from the Meteorite Men TV show? Or just a fluke? > > Best regards, > > MikeG > > > -- > > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > http://www.galactic-stone.com > http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men - was Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
I would agree that a few shows on historic and educational outreach would be a good thing, but Im sure they probably have rather limited input on the direction of the show. That said, I would like to hear them comment of the possibilities of doing more in this area. The show is a great tool to bring more new people into meteorites, but as with anything (baseball cards, toys etc) when there is a value and increase in interest, there will be scammers that come in to try to make the quick buck. Overall, the show is one of the best marketing tools the meteorite world has seen. Keep it up guys, as others have said, there is room to grow! Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Gary Fujihara wrote: > From: Gary Fujihara > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, > 2010 > To: "Adam Hupe" > Cc: "Adam" > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:11 PM > I agree with you Adam. As much > as the Meteorite Men show has provided better awareness to > meteorites in the general population, it has also spurred > the conmen and get-rich-quick schemers. > > I think the show has been steered by producers to make it > more appealing to viewers, but in doing so have placed far > too much emphasis on monetary value and too little on > scientific importance. This brings all the riffraff out of > the woodwork and now we are beginning to see the negative > effects this brings on our hobby/business/passion. My > 2¢ > > gary > > On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: > > > A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will > become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen > when you tell them their prized new "Moon rock" is a piece > of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then > slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to > explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like > the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. > > > > I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be > put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news > that their worthless rock will not make them the latest > millionaire. This is what happens when the media > focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite > collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type > of show may have provided. The state Washington > and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on > federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam > artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy > money is present. One just has to look at the most > expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. > Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar > page. > > > > I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go > the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation > almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. > Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when > values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had > to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major > find due to the fact the press attached a billion dollar > price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on > it when they didn't lift a finger to find it. The > press made it look easy when in fact Mel suffered many > hardships including the loss of his sons life. > > > > > > Best Regards, > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > > > - Original Message > > From: "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > > > To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > > > Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM > > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of > the Day - March 22, 2010 > > > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > Visit the Archives at > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > Gary Fujihara > Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) > 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 > http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ > http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html > (808) 640-9161 > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecent
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
I agree with you Adam. As much as the Meteorite Men show has provided better awareness to meteorites in the general population, it has also spurred the conmen and get-rich-quick schemers. I think the show has been steered by producers to make it more appealing to viewers, but in doing so have placed far too much emphasis on monetary value and too little on scientific importance. This brings all the riffraff out of the woodwork and now we are beginning to see the negative effects this brings on our hobby/business/passion. My 2¢ gary On Mar 22, 2010, at 6:59 AM, Adam Hupe wrote: > A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight > millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized > new "Moon rock" is a piece of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more > then slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. > They know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and > will not be told otherwise. > > I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as > the bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make > them the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too > much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any > educational benefit this type of show may have provided. The state > Washington and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on > federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach > themselves if the smell of easy money is present. One just has to look at > the most expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. Now, there is > always a few fakes listed in the top dollar page. > > I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go the way treasure hunting > did 25 years ago when the avocation almost went extinct, mainly due to the > press. Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when values are > put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had to fight for a decade to > keep a good portion of their major find due to the fact the press attached a > billion dollar price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on it when > they didn't lift a finger to find it. The press made it look easy when in > fact Mel suffered many hardships including the loss of his sons life. > > > Best Regards, > > Adam > > > > > > - Original Message > From: "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" > To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > > Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Thumbed On My BlackBerry > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
"the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided" (Adam Hupé) I couldn't agree with you more, Adam Best regards Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Adam Hupe Gesendet: 22.03.2010 17:59:56 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 >A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight >millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized new >"Moon rock" is a piece of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then >slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. They >know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and will not >be told otherwise. > >I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as the >bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make them >the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too much >on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any educational >benefit this type of show may have provided. The state Washington and Oregon >suddenly announced their no collecting policy on federal land; the timing is >uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach themselves if the smell of >easy money is present. One just has to look at the most expensive >"meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. Now, there is always a few fakes >listed in the top dollar page. > >I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go the way treasure hunting >did 25 years ago when the avocation almost went extinct, mainly due to the >press. Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when values are put >up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had to fight for a decade to keep a >good portion of their major find due to the fact the press attached a billion >dollar price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on it when they >didn't lift a finger to find it. The press made it look easy when in fact Mel >suffered many hardships including the loss of his sons life. > > >Best Regards, > >Adam > > > > > >- Original Message >From: "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" >To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" >Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM >Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 > >http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > > > > >--- > > > > > > > >Thumbed On My BlackBerry >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > >__ >Visit the Archives at >http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >Meteorite-list mailing list >Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
I regret to say at one point I contributed to that stack. At least I was fairly sure what I had was a meteorwrong and my expectations were low; all I wanted was to confirm the bogosity as reflected in my cover letter. The seller has since left ebay under a cloud. Best! Tracy Latimer > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > From: mich...@rocksfromspace.org > Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:20:26 + > Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 > > http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html > _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
A lot of viewers are clinging to the hope they will become overnight millionaires. Most of them will not listen when you tell them their prized new "Moon rock" is a piece of quartz or their new "Pallasite" is nothing more then slag. They will become increasingly angry when you try to explain why. They know it is real because it looks just like the one they saw on TV and will not be told otherwise. I do not even respond any more as I do not like to be put in a position as the bay guy who has to break the news that their worthless rock will not make them the latest millionaire. This is what happens when the media focuses too much on the monetary aspect of meteorite collecting. It out weighs any educational benefit this type of show may have provided. The state Washington and Oregon suddenly announced their no collecting policy on federal land; the timing is uncanny. A lot of scam artists will also attach themselves if the smell of easy money is present. One just has to look at the most expensive "meteorites" on eBay to see this effect. Now, there is always a few fakes listed in the top dollar page. I would hate to see meteorite hunting/collecting go the way treasure hunting did 25 years ago when the avocation almost went extinct, mainly due to the press. Professional treasure hunters now avoid the press when values are put up. Just look at the Mel Fisher group who had to fight for a decade to keep a good portion of their major find due to the fact the press attached a billion dollar price tag to it. Everybody seemed to have a claim on it when they didn't lift a finger to find it. The press made it look easy when in fact Mel suffered many hardships including the loss of his sons life. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: "mich...@rocksfromspace.org" To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 6:20:26 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010 http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Show - why its good for all
Just a quick note as to a good reason why the meteorite men show is so good for all of us - a message from an ebay member: " I found the new show Meteorite Men on the Science Channel and have become very curious about meteorites" This is bringing new collectors every showing! I get this email alot. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Plus Notice: Meteorites For Sale Price Increase
Aloha - Amazingly, Hawaii IS part of the USA and uses the USPS - so, shipping (USPS) to Hawaii, for the past few decades has been the same as to the other 49 states!!! (yes, UPS is over priced!) We've been a state for just over 50 years... BTW, you can even use USPS to American Samoa, Guam, CNMI and some of the former Trust Territories - as they are part of USPS!!! Cheers - ted --- On Sun, 3/21/10, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: [meteorite-list] AD Plus Notice: Meteorites For Sale Price Increase > Date: Sunday, March 21, 2010, 12:40 PM > Hi Listees, > > The good news is shipping > is still cheap on most orders in the USA. Even shipping to > Hawaii is relatively cheap between $5 and $15 depending on > weight. > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Huge Increase in Meteorite "help me" or "buy me" emails.
Hi List! Are any of the other dealers noticing a big increase in emails from unknown people wanting you to ID their suspected meteorite or buy their suspected meteorite? In the last couple of weeks, I have gotten a flood of emails from people around the country and the world - all wanting me to identify their obvious meteorwrong, or to purchase their meteorwrong. One guy claimed to be in China, but had a Russian email address, and he attached some photos of an obvious industrial slag which he claimed was a meteorite and he even had a bogus "lab report" to prove it. Some of these are honest folks who are confused or misinformed, but many are scammers. Do the scammers think because we deal meteorites, we must be dumb or something? Because some of these so-called "meteorites" they try to push on me are obviously bogus - so bogus a blindman or a fool could tell they are not meteorites. Is this another after-effect from the Meteorite Men TV show? Or just a fluke? Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
Fantastic. This belongs in a book. The meteorite lore of the future. Separately, to those who have reached out to me the past week or so, my apologies for not having gotten back to you as yet. An all- consuming family matter arose and I just returned to NYC and will return to you soon. Thanks so much, Darryl. On Mar 22, 2010, at 9:20 AM, mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
OMG!!! ASU will soon be able to start their own paper recycling plant! ;-) Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: To: Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22,2010 http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Monthly Favourite
Catching up... the last for 09! ;-) http://www.meteorites.com.au/favourite/december2009.html Cheers, Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - March 22, 2010
http:www.rocksfromspace.org/March_22_2010.html --- Thumbed On My BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bound Catalogs? / VdlP page update
Hello Arnaud, All, An excellent page...nice job. On a sidenote - I'm curious; what does Villalbeto de la Pena sell for? As a comparable fall in terms of recovered fragments and TKW, it seems as though it should be about the same price as Whetstone Mountains. I just haven't seen enough Villalbeto on the market lately to judge... Regards, Jason On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 12:56 AM, The Tricottet Collection wrote: > > Jason, all, > > Re - my PDF catalog: I didn't issue any new one since my website went online. > For a bound catalog, it will wait a few years... > > BTW, I updated yesterday my page on Villalbeto de la Pena (pictures, maps...) > if you want to take a look: > http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_villalbeto.html > Thanks a lot to Thomas Grau for the google map with all the finds locations! > > ArnaudM > > > The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens > (Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites) > www.thetricottetcollection.com > Facebook: The Tricottet Collection > Twitter: TricottetColl > > > > >> Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:25:23 -0700 >> From: meteorite...@gmail.com >> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bound Catalogs? >> >> Hello Richard, All, >> The list includes Marvin Killgore, Jim Schwade, Robert Haag, H. H. >> Nininger, Ward's Natural Science Establishment, Foote, and a number of >> museums and universities (Monnig, ASU, Huss, Smithsonian, to name a >> few). I might be missing a few private parties, but...I don't think >> so - at least not any recent publications. I do know that Arnaud >> Mignan was looking to publish one, but I don't know how far he got >> with regards to having a paper version ready for publication; last I >> heard, it was in PDF format. >> Regards, >> Jason >> >> On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: >>> I was thinking about the thread about collection databases, the various >>> fields, including photos, etc. >>> >>> Since it is easy to have individual or short run self published books made >>> in many different sizes and hard or softbound, I thought that it might be >>> interesting to put together a catalog of my collection as the hard copy of >>> the database. It would certainly be a much more attractive and permanent >>> way of keeping and presenting this information. >>> >>> I'm not looking for recommendations for publishing companies. I'm just >>> curious if anyone has already done this? >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Richard Kowalski >>> Full Moon Photography >>> IMCA #1081 >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > _ > The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. > http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bound Catalogs? / VdlP page update
Jason, all, Re - my PDF catalog: I didn't issue any new one since my website went online. For a bound catalog, it will wait a few years... BTW, I updated yesterday my page on Villalbeto de la Pena (pictures, maps...) if you want to take a look: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_villalbeto.html Thanks a lot to Thomas Grau for the google map with all the finds locations! ArnaudM The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils & Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl > Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2010 21:25:23 -0700 > From: meteorite...@gmail.com > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bound Catalogs? > > Hello Richard, All, > The list includes Marvin Killgore, Jim Schwade, Robert Haag, H. H. > Nininger, Ward's Natural Science Establishment, Foote, and a number of > museums and universities (Monnig, ASU, Huss, Smithsonian, to name a > few). I might be missing a few private parties, but...I don't think > so - at least not any recent publications. I do know that Arnaud > Mignan was looking to publish one, but I don't know how far he got > with regards to having a paper version ready for publication; last I > heard, it was in PDF format. > Regards, > Jason > > On Sun, Mar 21, 2010 at 9:05 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: >> I was thinking about the thread about collection databases, the various >> fields, including photos, etc. >> >> Since it is easy to have individual or short run self published books made >> in many different sizes and hard or softbound, I thought that it might be >> interesting to put together a catalog of my collection as the hard copy of >> the database. It would certainly be a much more attractive and permanent >> way of keeping and presenting this information. >> >> I'm not looking for recommendations for publishing companies. I'm just >> curious if anyone has already done this? >> >> >> -- >> Richard Kowalski >> Full Moon Photography >> IMCA #1081 >> >> >> >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID27925::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:032010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite history fans
Hello Listers, I had been watching an item on eBay for the past few day which ended last night. The item was a book from Dr LaPaz estate and here is a link to the auction for all you Listers that lov histroy on meteorites. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=230449718620&ssPageName=STRK:MEDWX:IT Shawn Alan __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
