[meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the same parent body as any known irons and stony-irons? Someone mentioned something asking about the possibility of some irons coming from 4 Vesta in another thread, not too long ago... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
Hi Melanie, Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the same parent body as any known irons and stony-irons? Yes. Winonaites and IAB group irons are suspected as having a common parent body due to similarities between winonaites and the silicate inclusions of IAB irons. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
Hi, at present, excepted winonaites with IAB irons, no known group of iron is connected to a group of achondrite. The situation is slightly different for mesosiderites and pallasites. The silicate portion of the mesosiderites is certainly linked to HEDs but the metal and the silicates are not genetically linked. Concerning pallasites, they have been considered to be linked with IIIAB irons, but that's really unlikely (see the recent paper in PSRD by Scott...). Again, it is unlikely that the large impact basin in Vesta displays the core of the body... cheers Jean-Alix Selon Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca: Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the same parent body as any known irons and stony-irons? Someone mentioned something asking about the possibility of some irons coming from 4 Vesta in another thread, not too long ago... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil question
Good morning all: In reference to all the posts and interests regarding Gebel Kamio, it is my understanding that only 20 kilo of Gebel Kamil was approved for removal from the crater for scientific purposes by the research team that explored the crater, and that a quantity was later removed by an unauthorized person who illegally removed meteorites without the Egyptian government's permission, and that no export documents were ever approved for any others by the government. If this is true, then I would like to think no reputable dealer who was aware of this would ethically want to buy and sell this material, (I should like to believe so!). Are these facts indeed true or has something changed that I have not heard about?? I see Gebel Kamil saturating Ebay and I'm wondering whether the Egyptian government is now permitting collecting or whether additional material is now being allowed out, and what about export papers? Having spent some time in Egypt I know that because of the countries rich abundance of historical artifacts of all kinds including things that can sometimes be found just by kicking the sand, the government has a blanket policy regarding anything that one may want to remove from the country, and the policy is NO, whether specifics are stated or not. Maybe some dealer has traded some of his exotic meteorites or a camel or two for a bucket full of GK. I don't know. May we have a discussion here? I think some clarification and update would be of interest. Someone know something?? Thank You, Ron Hartman __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August30, 2010
It looks so much like Acapulco so I'm going with Acapulcoite. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: karm...@email.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 6:00 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August30, 2010 My first impression was of Lodran: http://www.meteorites4sale.net/I_O_IMAGES/lodran_Smith.jpg Might be a ver fresh lodranite or acapulcoite! Congrats! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of karm...@email.de Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 12:54 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 30, 2010 Hi Michael I'm no expert, but it looks like an Acapulcoite to me. Best wishes Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Gesendet: 30.08.2010 21:43:09 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - August 30, 2010 http://www.rocksfromspace.org/August_30_2010_Macovich.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
I've been reading up recently on various parent-bodies etc and there are a bunch of theories out there regarding various irons and stones. One that I can think of off the top of my head is that some consider the Horse Creek iron to have a potential origin in common with the Aubrites and/or Enstatite Chondrites. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: bar...@univ-brest.fr To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones? Hi, at present, excepted winonaites with IAB irons, no known group of iron is connected to a group of achondrite. The situation is slightly different for mesosiderites and pallasites. The silicate portion of the mesosiderites is certainly linked to HEDs but the metal and the silicates are not genetically linked. Concerning pallasites, they have been considered to be linked with IIIAB irons, but that's really unlikely (see the recent paper in PSRD by Scott...). Again, it is unlikely that the large impact basin in Vesta displays the core of the body... cheers Jean-Alix Selon Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca: Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the same parent body as any known irons and stony-irons? Someone mentioned something asking about the possibility of some irons coming from 4 Vesta in another thread, not too long ago... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil question
Hi Ron, May we have a discussion here? I don't know, whether that would make sense. Such discussions and the laws debate in general, including the media reports suffer always from the lack of substance. Because possible legal restrictions, or whether there are some or not, are given mostly by sole hearsay, rumors and assumptions. I mean, you see it best with the Schmitt, McEwen, Schmitt Co. Barristers-Paper about meteorite laws, where they seriously claimed that all meteorites would be covered as movable heritage by the 1970 UNESCO convention! And who are parroted since even by meteorite people in prominent positions with utter conviction, cause they are obviously either to lazy or intellectually not able to read the very simple text of the convention by themselves, which tells unmistakably, when an object is covered by the convention. (Ratification -- Compiling of a n a t i o n a l list of categories of objects of national heritage --- meteorites listed in that national list. Amen.) See, even that guy from UNESCO, who was quoted in the Newscientists article about Gebel Kamil, what was his name, Planche? - made there that statement, which is verifiably wrong, cause he doesn't seems to know the wordings of the convention. That only as most blatant example. As long as the wordings, the very text of the laws are unknown, such discussions are vain in my opinion. who was aware of this would ethically want to buy And, Ron, I think we always have to discern. Between laws and ethics. Because laws can be immoral and unethical. Just take the topic dispossession and/or compulsory sale, like some of the meteorite laws dictate. Like for instance, let's say in parts auf Australia, where, if a meteorite from space, an ownerless object therefore, if it falls on your very head, when you're standing on your own land and property, you are forced to give it to the state. That is certainly no ethical law. We here in Germany learned it the very hard way, that if a group of a few people decides, that they want to have a category of objects and that the citizens have to deliver these objects to them, losing their ownership, that such laws are highly unethical. We had such occurrences under the fascism and then in the East under the communism. And till today after 70 years the state is occupied with restoring the ownership of property, which then was dispossessed based on such laws. (Btw. that was also the reason why Germany tried to chicken out for almost 40 years to set up its national list of heritage, like the 1970er convention stipulates). And in fact such laws can be even illegal by themselves. In constitutional states, rule of law, such laws can be challenged. To be proven whether they are conform with the constitution and whether they are valid at all. In several countries I'd have my doubts, that they are. That meteorite laws aren't challenged is probably, because meteorites in general are such a whack and rare stuff, that nearly nobody is interested in, neither in possible laws about them. Now with Egypt, I've no idea, what for laws do exist or not, I know only, that Egypt is the only desert country, which didn't profit from the Sahara-Boom, as it has even less published meteorites than small and humid Germany(), neither had I personally ever heard, that there is any form of meteorite research or any institutional meteorite collection, but I think, as it's not about only a meteorite, but a pretty crater, maybe it should be protected as a natural monument or smth like that.. I stay out from that Egypt thing...don't know enough about it, to discuss. Wanted only to say, for a meaningful discussion about laws, the existing laws with their texts must be on the table and secondly that ethics and laws can be sometimes two very different animals. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von R N Hartman Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 09:09 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil question Good morning all: In reference to all the posts and interests regarding Gebel Kamio, it is my understanding that only 20 kilo of Gebel Kamil was approved for removal from the crater for scientific purposes by the research team that explored the crater, and that a quantity was later removed by an unauthorized person who illegally removed meteorites without the Egyptian government's permission, and that no export documents were ever approved for any others by the government. If this is true, then I would like to think no reputable dealer who was aware of this would ethically want to buy and sell this material, (I should like to believe so!). Are these facts indeed true or has something changed that I have not heard about?? I see Gebel Kamil saturating Ebay and I'm wondering whether the Egyptian government is now permitting collecting or whether
[meteorite-list] AD - Great Stuff - No Reserves
Dear List Members, I have 54 great auctions ending today. You will find many sizable planetary pieces and other rarities started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I loaded some larger pieces worth several hundred dollars so they are definitely worth checking out. These kind of bargains will not last forever since most dealers have moved to fixed pricing on eBay for items worth more than a few dozen dollars. Real auctions with no reserves are quickly becoming a thing of the past. Please take a look if you have time. All Auctions Can Be Found At This link: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/raremeteorites!_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZ Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team LunarRock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are NWA meteorites less valuable, or is it a subliminal form of chauvinism making some people treat them like second class meteorites? The NWA Dilemma In the late 1990s, an increasing number of meteorites from the hot deserts of northwest Africa hit the market, most of them having been recovered by so-called nomads, i.e. by native people from Morocco and Western Sahara. After having acquired several meteorites at the local markets, the French fossil hunters, Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut, started to educate their local team not only to look for fossils, but also for meteorites - with great success. link http://www.meteorite.fr/en/news/feature.htm NWA, to be or not to be? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p 4340 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC
All, Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in time to get home to watch some TV. Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC. For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun. Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are NWA meteorites less valuable, or is it a subliminal form of chauvinism making some people treat them like second class meteorites? The NWA Dilemma In the late 1990s, an increasing number of meteorites from the hot deserts of northwest Africa hit the market, most of them having been recovered by so-called nomads, i.e. by native people from Morocco and Western Sahara. After having acquired several meteorites at the local markets, the French fossil hunters, Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut, started to educate their local team not only to look for fossils, but also for meteorites - with great success. link http://www.meteorite.fr/en/news/feature.htm NWA, to be or not to be? Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p 4340 __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
Is it theorized that the parent asteroids of ordinary and carbonaceous chondrites, might be differentiated with iron cores? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: bar...@univ-brest.fr; Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 4:54:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones? I've been reading up recently on various parent-bodies etc and there are a bunch of theories out there regarding various irons and stones. One that I can think of off the top of my head is that some consider the Horse Creek iron to have a potential origin in common with the Aubrites and/or Enstatite Chondrites. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: bar...@univ-brest.fr To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones? Hi, at present, excepted winonaites with IAB irons, no known group of iron is connected to a group of achondrite. The situation is slightly different for mesosiderites and pallasites. The silicate portion of the mesosiderites is certainly linked to HEDs but the metal and the silicates are not genetically linked. Concerning pallasites, they have been considered to be linked with IIIAB irons, but that's really unlikely (see the recent paper in PSRD by Scott...). Again, it is unlikely that the large impact basin in Vesta displays the core of the body... cheers Jean-Alix Selon Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca: Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the same parent body as any known irons and stony-irons? Someone mentioned something asking about the possibility of some irons coming from 4 Vesta in another thread, not too long ago... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones?
Most folks believe that the chondrites are from undifferentiated, unmelted asteroids. Hence, they would not be expected to have iron cores. That said, those researchers who believe that asteroids are heated internally (the majority), by the decay of short-lived radionuclides like Al-26, aver that the interiors of asteroids are highly metamorphosed. Some might suggest that the deep interiors were partially melted. If asteroids were heated mainly be collisions (a minority viewpoint that I share), then the interiors wouldn't be expected to be appreciably hotter than the surfaces and the asteroids would remain undifferentiated. Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 405 Hilgard Avenue Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au; bar...@univ-brest.fr Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones? Is it theorized that the parent asteroids of ordinary and carbonaceous chondrites, might be differentiated with iron cores? --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: bar...@univ-brest.fr; Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 4:54:07 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones? I've been reading up recently on various parent-bodies etc and there are a bunch of theories out there regarding various irons and stones. One that I can think of off the top of my head is that some consider the Horse Creek iron to have a potential origin in common with the Aubrites and/or Enstatite Chondrites. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: bar...@univ-brest.fr To: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Any irons/stony-irons linked to known stones? Hi, at present, excepted winonaites with IAB irons, no known group of iron is connected to a group of achondrite. The situation is slightly different for mesosiderites and pallasites. The silicate portion of the mesosiderites is certainly linked to HEDs but the metal and the silicates are not genetically linked. Concerning pallasites, they have been considered to be linked with IIIAB irons, but that's really unlikely (see the recent paper in PSRD by Scott...). Again, it is unlikely that the large impact basin in Vesta displays the core of the body... cheers Jean-Alix Selon Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca: Are any chondrites and/or achondrites suspected as originating from the same parent body as any known irons and stony-irons? Someone mentioned something asking about the possibility of some irons coming from 4 Vesta in another thread, not too long ago... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Colloquium of African Geology
http://www.cag23.co.za/ Colloquium of African Geology Johannesburg, South Africa January 8-14, 2011 Scientific Program [snip] Session S3 (special): Geodynamic of Africa and contiguous parts of Gondwana. A tribute to Prof. T. Clifford, Wits, South Africa [snip] * S3.7 African meteorites and impact craters __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Colloquium of African Geology
Not worth participating, meteoritically savage country, that South Africa :-) http://kuerzer.de/uncivilized http://www.eyewitnessnews.co.za/articleprog.aspx?id=27202 Skol -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Ron Baalke Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 18:42 An: Meteorite Mailing List Betreff: [meteorite-list] Colloquium of African Geology http://www.cag23.co.za/ Colloquium of African Geology Johannesburg, South Africa January 8-14, 2011 Scientific Program [snip] Session S3 (special): Geodynamic of Africa and contiguous parts of Gondwana. A tribute to Prof. T. Clifford, Wits, South Africa [snip] * S3.7 African meteorites and impact craters __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Holbrook Tektites ( Heat Testing of Tektites)
Bernd, Mark, Dennis, Brian, et al, This is quite interesting because Dennis sent me pictures of his Holbrook Tektite find and it is identical to my finds both in color ( golden brown not grey) and texture. I like that Arizonaites or Arizona Whatevers. Again they look like Columbianites and the really interesting thing is that Holbrook is quite a distance from Wilcox AZ. where I found all of mine. There are some really good pictures of Tektites in Marvin's Book. Southwest Meteorite Collection pages 182-197. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax bernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: Hello Brian, Dennis, Mark, Carl and List, Brian wrote: Obsidian explodes when heated quickly. So - it is easy to eliminate an Obsidian as a Tektite, just by throwing alot of heat at it quickly. In May or June 2000, our late Jim Kriegh put his new welding torch on an Apache Tear, and, ... ... it exploded! Jim once had a chemist friend heat one of the numerous Arizonaites he and Twink had collected (and that's probably what Carl is talking about in his post to the List: Years ago I found what I thought was a strewnfield of tektites in Southern AZ) in an oven along with an Apache tear. The Apache Tear foamed as the water started coming out of it but the AZite (Jim once called them Arizona whatevers :-) showed no signs of water. The chemist friend then even raised the temperature another 500°F above what the Apache Tear started foaming and all the Arizonaite did was glow red. After cooling it looked the same as before. Twink told me that during another heating experiment, one of their AZites turned bright red, fell into three pieces and then returned looking normal. 18 of these enigmatic glasses reside in my meteorite collection, and, yes, their coloration in transmitted light is that of so-called Columbianites. Best wishes from rainy, thundery, stormy Southern Germany, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] the gebil iron
Hello, I believe from what I have seen it is stable. No reason to believe otherwise at this time. The price is good right now on this iron and people should buy now instead of waiting. There will most likely not be a lot...it is finite after all. This is the time to buy... In fact, my sales on Gebel will come to an end and when I have sold what I need to...my sale will end. Eventually, as everyone will see the price will go up on this beautiful iron. Best Wishes Michael Cottingham On Aug 29, 2010, at 9:01 AM, steve arnold wrote: Good morning list. With all the really nice specimens of the gebil iron now running around everywhere,I would like to know,is this really stable. Also I see where it is going for all sorts of $ per gram. From $50 down to $1.25 per gram. What is making this so hard to pinpoint what it should really be going per gram? Any help would be appreciated. I have seen some amazing pieces.Nice day to all. Las vegas 4 days to go and count (ing). __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection
I know a lot of the Huss collection went to the Max Planck Institute. It may have been moved again since then. Bill Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:08:33 -0700 From: cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Hi Listers: Sure this has been discussed before but can't find it. Any idea what happened to the 2nd meteorite collection Glenn Huss built? Did it go as a complete set or was it broken up and sold here and there? Glenn had a 31.3 gram polished fragment of the Skiff Alberta (H4) (his Cat # (2)H455.1). I'm trying to find out where it landed up. Thanks, Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FREE! Tektite Book FREE!
Hi, List, Boy, nothing gets their attention like the word free, does it? The first five chapters of John O'Keefe's 1976 book, Tektites and Their Origin, long out-of-print (Amazon $200) had been posted for many years on a website (originoftektikes.com) but is now a dead link. But those first five chapters of O'Keefe's Tektites and Their Origin is now available for download as a book in PDF format at: http://www.sendspace.com/file/2y55kt That link will only be good for a limited time before it expires, so don't save it as a reference -- use it. Just click on the orange download button near the bottom of the page. Sterling K. Webb -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields?
Dear List: Could someone lead me to an online resource for known TEKTITE strewnfields? Thanks a bunch, Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Double Meteorite Strike Caused Dinosaur Extinction?
Ron and list... Double meteorite strike 'caused dinosaur extinction' By Howard Falcon-Lang BBC News August 27, 2010 The dinosaurs were wiped out 65 million years ago by at least two meteorite impacts, rather than a single strike, a new study suggests. with all due respect to my British science-writing colleagues, this is a misleading and not very good write-up. Boltysh has been recognized as an impact since at least the 1970s, and its age has been pegged at 65.2 +/- 0.64 MY since 2002 (Chicxulub is 65.5 MY). the whole double-whammy debate played out almost a decade ago, because the craters' respective age uncertainties left the impact order unclear. in any case, Earth gets a new 20-km crater every million years or so, and while damage from Boltysh would have been significant regionally it wouldn't have had long-lasting global consequences, if at all. in fact, the real news is that ferns and flowering plants took hold in the sediments on the floor of Boltysh *quickly* - 2000 to 5000 years after the impact (based in part on comparable recoveries from volcanic events) - before being snuffed out during the K-Pg extinction. there's no hint in the actual research paper whatsoever that Boltysh somehow contributed to the K-Pg extinction. rather, the discussion focuses on where these two impactors might have originated. it wasn't a binary asteroid (not simultaneous) nor was it likely two random but closely spaced asteroid strikes (0.01% chance). I hesitate to suggest where you might go for more details, but you can probably guess. ;-) clear skies, Kelly J. Kelly Beatty Senior Contributing Editor SKY TELESCOPE 617-416-9991 SkyandTelescope.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection
Well then, cause something went wrong here and the meteorite section of the Max Planck Institute (MPI) was closed, then it should be today in the Nat.Hist. Museum in Frankfurt, where the MPI collection is kept on permanent loan (but not on display) now. http://www.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=2688 (sorry only in German available). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von bill kies Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. August 2010 20:23 An: cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection I know a lot of the Huss collection went to the Max Planck Institute. It may have been moved again since then. Bill Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:08:33 -0700 From: cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Hi Listers: Sure this has been discussed before but can't find it. Any idea what happened to the 2nd meteorite collection Glenn Huss built? Did it go as a complete set or was it broken up and sold here and there? Glenn had a 31.3 gram polished fragment of the Skiff Alberta (H4) (his Cat # (2)H455.1). I'm trying to find out where it landed up. Thanks, Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection
Comment: Nat.Hist. Museum in Frankfurt, where the MPI collection is kept on permanent loan (but not on display) now. Jutta Zipfel (former member of the MPI and authoress of many excellent treatises on meteorites) is the curator of that collection, so we can be confident and sure that it is in good hands and well looked after! My two -cents, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes
Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an order that size!! Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a suitable solution! Cheers Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Thanks for filling me in, Mike. And yeah, it's quite unfortunate the situation down there,, and it's probably not going to change anytime in the near future... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Cc: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:01:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Magazine
Hi Sonny, Thanks very much for your kind words! I really appreciate the sentiment and the kudos. (and yes, it is a monumental task) One I hope everyone enjoys the product of! That is my TOP priority. September's issue is well underway, and I look forward to bring it to everyone. In the meantime, those who've NOT subscribed yet please go here: $35 per year (6 Full Color Issues) http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Take a look at VIDEO of July's Premiere print edition here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZIqlm9KL9A There are only 20 collectible copies left available! I should be able to give everyone a sneak peek of September's cover soon. Your subscriptions help grow the magazine, and lets us continue bringing a great magazine to the meteorite world. Thanks everyone! Regards, Eric On 8/30/2010 6:58 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List and Eric, We just got our issue of Eric's new magazine in the mail. The magazine looks great. I bet it was a monumental task to get this magazine launched. Keep up the good work Eric! Sonny and Georgia -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:06 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Magazine July's Premiere Back Issues Available Hi List, 25 July Premiere Back Issues Available For Sale: $20 Each (First come first served.) Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/archives/ All back issues are polybagged for protection and preservation. Buy multiple copies, read one, collect the rest. If you've NOT subscribed yet please go here: $35 per year (6 Full Color Issues) http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Dealers contact me for a SPECIAL OFFER off-list. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tektite Book
Hi, List, The first five chapters of John O'Keefe's 1976 book, Tektites and Their Origin, long out-of-print (Amazon $200) had been posted for many years on a website (originoftektikes.com) but is now a dead link. But those first five chapters of O'Keefe's Tektites and Their Origin is now available for download as a book in PDF format at: http://www.sendspace.com/file/2y55kt That link will only be good for a limited time before it expires, so don't save it as a reference -- use it. Just click on the orange download button near the bottom of the page. Sterling K. Webb -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection
Thanks Martin. Years ago I contacted Margaret Huss concerning the disposition of Illinois meteorites from the Huss Collection. She refered me to Ulrich Ott who then suggested I contact Dr. Jutta Zipfel. Dr. Zipfel was so kind and helpful. She had an image made of the Toulon meteorite which is in the MetBull. I wasn't aware there were two Huss collections. I thought the first was the remainder of Niningers. Can anyone be more specific? Thanks again, Bill From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:15:55 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Well then, cause something went wrong here and the meteorite section of the Max Planck Institute (MPI) was closed, then it should be today in the Nat.Hist. Museum in Frankfurt, where the MPI collection is kept on permanent loan (but not on display) now. http://www.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=2688 (sorry only in German available). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von bill kies Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. August 2010 20:23 An: cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection I know a lot of the Huss collection went to the Max Planck Institute. It may have been moved again since then. Bill Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:08:33 -0700 From: cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Hi Listers: Sure this has been discussed before but can't find it. Any idea what happened to the 2nd meteorite collection Glenn Huss built? Did it go as a complete set or was it broken up and sold here and there? Glenn had a 31.3 gram polished fragment of the Skiff Alberta (H4) (his Cat # (2)H455.1). I'm trying to find out where it landed up. Thanks, Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
I've spent a lot of time in Mexico. The best produce, fruits and veg, on the continent. It's kind of like the way the US was 50 years ago. People there won't settle for inferior goods like we do now. Never had a problem. I guess I don't watch the news enough. Safety is an issue in every corner of the world. Ask Mike Farmer about meteorite hunting in really dangerous places. Bill Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 13:58:58 -0700 From: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: meteoritem...@gmail.com; g...@gmx.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Thanks for filling me in, Mike. And yeah, it's quite unfortunate the situation down there,, and it's probably not going to change anytime in the near future... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks To: Alexander Seidel Cc: Melanie Matthews ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:01:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews An: Adam Hupe , Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe To: Adam Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunting and Collecting Magazine
My magazine finally reached me here in Honolulu yesterday. I must say, well done Eric! Matthew Meteorite Treasures www.meteoritetreasures.com Quoting Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com: Hi Sonny, Thanks very much for your kind words! I really appreciate the sentiment and the kudos. (and yes, it is a monumental task) One I hope everyone enjoys the product of! That is my TOP priority. September's issue is well underway, and I look forward to bring it to everyone. In the meantime, those who've NOT subscribed yet please go here: $35 per year (6 Full Color Issues) http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Take a look at VIDEO of July's Premiere print edition here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZIqlm9KL9A There are only 20 collectible copies left available! I should be able to give everyone a sneak peek of September's cover soon. Your subscriptions help grow the magazine, and lets us continue bringing a great magazine to the meteorite world. Thanks everyone! Regards, Eric On 8/30/2010 6:58 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List and Eric, We just got our issue of Eric's new magazine in the mail. The magazine looks great. I bet it was a monumental task to get this magazine launched. Keep up the good work Eric! Sonny and Georgia -Original Message- From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Aug 30, 2010 6:06 pm Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Magazine July's Premiere Back Issues Available Hi List, 25 July Premiere Back Issues Available For Sale: $20 Each (First come first served.) Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/archives/ All back issues are polybagged for protection and preservation. Buy multiple copies, read one, collect the rest. If you've NOT subscribed yet please go here: $35 per year (6 Full Color Issues) http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Dealers contact me for a SPECIAL OFFER off-list. Enjoy... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes / try a membrane box
Hello Martin, Saw your inquiry and I don't know how large your slices are but you might be interested in checking out some of our larger size membrane boxes. Box sizes with O.D. up to 150 x 300 mm for thin slices and 250 x 200 x 200 mm which will handle an iron individual up to 3371 g. although I did have a roundish 12 pound Canyon Diablo iron in one until we had an earthquake and it fell off the top shelf of a bookcase onto the floor. For slices, we list recommended max. sizes for objects inside the box, but you can push that number if your specimen is for display and not a fragile object for transportation, which need the shock absorbing engineering of the stretched membrane. The clear membrane suspends the specimen inside the box and you can look at it from both front and back at the same time. Our business website lists all the dimensions (O.D. and I.D. of boxes) at www.membranebox.com Ron Hartman membrane...@earthlink.net rhartma...@earthlink.net - Original Message - From: martin goff msgmeteori...@googlemail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Clear plastic display boxes Thanks for all the responses off list and it seems that lots of you are having the same difficulties trying to find a suitable larger display box. No one seems to have any answers though regards where to get them from. I approached the manufacturers of the boxes i provided links to in my previous post and unfortunately they would need a minimum order of 100,000 units to make a larger box. Even though it seems quite a few people would be interested, not enough to place an order that size!! Oh well back to the drawing board and my larger iron slices will just have to stay languishing in their cozy dessicated boxes until i find a suitable solution! Cheers Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Martin and Listers, Wow I want what ever your taking and so does my fingers. Any whos thank you for sharing your thoughts Martin and telling me I can answer some of my questions myself. WOW I forgot that the List was a place to talk about meteorites and ask questions. My bad, I must be at the wrong Meteorite List I bet I got phished. Dang, I need a new virus protection program :)~ Back to NWA meteorites, I find it interesting that there isn't much write ups about them. So from a person that has only been around. mm lets say 8 months, I think it was a good time to say something about this topic and see what some of the old timers thought about NWA meteorites. And lastly I hope a meteorite doesn't care where it lands, but from a collectors stand point, we do care, and from a science stand point, they care as well, cause if they didn't then I wouldn't see why the need for strewn fields or coordinates of where the meteorites are recovered from. Shawn Alan IMCA1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 31 10:48:18 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-bounces at meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are
Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection
Hello Bill, The first Huss Collection was built within the workings of American Meteorite Laboratory as successor to the American Meteorite Museum (Nininger). The Second Huss Collection was the personal collection of Glenn and Margaret. I believe it was acquired by NHMV sometime in the 1980's. In the Second Huss Collection of Meteorites (1986), Glenn states that it was started in 1958 and was financed by personal funds. Since the AML was established in 1960, both collections ran in parallel for a period of time. Cheers! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of bill kies Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:13 PM To: altm...@meteorite-martin.de Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Thanks Martin. Years ago I contacted Margaret Huss concerning the disposition of Illinois meteorites from the Huss Collection. She refered me to Ulrich Ott who then suggested I contact Dr. Jutta Zipfel. Dr. Zipfel was so kind and helpful. She had an image made of the Toulon meteorite which is in the MetBull. I wasn't aware there were two Huss collections. I thought the first was the remainder of Niningers. Can anyone be more specific? Thanks again, Bill From: altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 21:15:55 +0200 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Well then, cause something went wrong here and the meteorite section of the Max Planck Institute (MPI) was closed, then it should be today in the Nat.Hist. Museum in Frankfurt, where the MPI collection is kept on permanent loan (but not on display) now. http://www.senckenberg.de/root/index.php?page_id=2688 (sorry only in German available). Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von bill kies Gesendet: Sonntag, 29. August 2010 20:23 An: cspr...@islandnet.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection I know a lot of the Huss collection went to the Max Planck Institute. It may have been moved again since then. Bill Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 09:08:33 -0700 From: cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glenn Huss 2nd meteorite collection Hi Listers: Sure this has been discussed before but can't find it. Any idea what happened to the 2nd meteorite collection Glenn Huss built? Did it go as a complete set or was it broken up and sold here and there? Glenn had a 31.3 gram polished fragment of the Skiff Alberta (H4) (his Cat # (2)H455.1). I'm trying to find out where it landed up. Thanks, Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields?
IMHO: The best site out there - plenty of details along with the locations: http://www.tektites.co.uk/ Others after a quick web search: http://www.whaton.uwaterloo.ca/waton/f9922.html http://rocksfromspace.open.ac.uk/Tektites_details.htm A simple map: http://www.tektitesource.com/pictures/teklocalitiesjpg.jpg - Original Message - From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 2:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields? Dear List: Could someone lead me to an online resource for known TEKTITE strewnfields? Thanks a bunch, Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men on American Chopper Thursday on TLC
Steve, Now that is cool. My two passions are meteroties and motorcycles. Both keep me in the poor house and you can nevert have too many of either. Now combine in one episode! Will see if I can get it taped from the States Cheers and Concratulations on your show. Mike Tettenborn On 31/08/2010 11:38 AM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: All, Greetings from Sunny London. Finally a break in our shooting of the second season of Meteorite Men, just in time to get home to watch some TV. Just as a quick heads up, Geoff and I are going to be guests on American Chopper this Thursday on TLC. For those who don't know, we get our meteorite bike from Orange County Choppers so it should be fun. Steve Arnold Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Martin Altmannaltm...@meteorite-martin.de Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 16:48:18 To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I think, you can answer some of your questions by yourself. Outstretch your arm. On your extended arm look on the tip of your little finger. The finger nail of your pinky is the Earth. Imagine, your room has no walls - or go in the garden. 250 yards away from your fingernail, that's where the meteorites come from. So it's possibly not so important, where exactly on your fingernail they will hit. ...and as strained you'll squint your eyes, it's impossible to match a Shawn, a Mike, an Aziz, a Martin, a Bevan... on your nail :-) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Dienstag, 31. August 2010 03:25 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hello Listers, I was doing an Internet search today on meteorites and came across a write up about NWA meteorites. I would have to say it was a good write up considering there isn't much about the history of NWA's on the Internet. The write up covered topics from the NWA gold rush, to how this affected sales and peoples desert meteorite collections, and how NWA meteorites by some can be seen as inferior to other meteorites. All these points do bring up some interesting view points in the meteorite community. I wonder what peoples take is on NWA meteorites and how the classification works or doesn't work with some finds? Why I ask this is because some of the NWA meteorites on eBay are NWA xxx meteorites, meaning those meteorites haven't been classified and probably wont. Now to me for every NWA meteorite excluding the Lunar and Martian meteorites could be almost unique in its owe if there is only a select few people that get these stones classified, making the NWA meteorite market confusing and regulated by only classifying certain meteorites and disregarding others. And as for selling NWA meteorites how does one determine the price point when the TKW and location is unknown? Is it to be or not to be when collecting NWA meteorites. this draw back could affect the classification and make it more confusing compared to finds in the US and Europe. If I went to the Muffin strewn field and found some meteorites, I wouldn't have to get them classified because of the documentation of a fall being there. But on the other hand, if I went to Africa and found some meteorites I would be SOL and the only way I could know what the meteorite was is if I got it classified, which I am not sure how much that costs, but I bet it can be a pretty penny depending what your getting done on it. Now could this be a problem in some peoples eyes why they think NWA's might be questionable because locations cant be accountable? And from a collectors stand point what features does one collect NWA's? From my take it seems like that some NWA meteorite are unique in its own way by rarity or uniqueness cause of lack there of, and because of the way NWA's are collected, cant this affecting price point and investment for ones collection? Here is an abstract from the write up about NWA's NWAs: Second Class Meteorites? By Norbert Classen, May 2003 On the collector's market, the prices of most Northwest African meteorites are still dropping while witnessed falls and historic specimens are getting more expensive. Are NWA meteorites less valuable, or is it a subliminal form of chauvinism making some people treat them like second class meteorites? The NWA Dilemma In the late 1990s, an increasing number of meteorites from the hot deserts of northwest Africa hit the market, most of them having been recovered by so-called nomads, i.e. by native people from Morocco and Western Sahara. After having acquired several meteorites at the local markets, the French fossil hunters, Bruno Fectay and Carine Bidaut, started to educate their local team not only to
Re: [meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields?
Hi, Anita, List, In case you missed the references I gave on Moldavites: http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/contents/2002/vol77no4/04trnkafinal.pdf And this: http://www.geology.cz/bulletin/contents/2002/vol77no4/05artemievafinal.pdf http://www.geology.cz/ and browse for publications (they're mostly in English). Of course, maybe you weren't looking for Moldavites. I know of no one source that covers the Australiasian strewnfield exhaustively. And Ivorite data on their find locations seems virtually impossible to find. Both Georgia and Texas yield tektites to the surface exclusively because of exposures of strata of the right age and the streams to wash them out. The Bediasite strewnfield is 140 miles long and about five miles wide. It's not a strewn field; it's an erosional feature. For some reason hunters seem to think all the tektites from this impact went south and west, forgetting entirely the Martha's Vineyard tektite. It was found in a wash or gulley (pick your technical term) in the cliffs on the south side of the island and was about to be pushed into the Atlantic Ocean when discovered. No reason it was deposited there 34 million years ago. There hasn't always been an island there. Could just as easily have been deposited in upper New York state or Michigan or Canada and been scraped off the terrain by yesterday's glaciers and pushed to the Vineyard. I suspect that the eastern 2/3rd of the U.S. is the strewnfield for the oldest tektite-producing impact, and anywhere you can find an Eocene Terminal surface laid bare or cut and eroded, you could find a tektite. Oddly, I discover that Geologists call the beginning of the Eocene (at 55.8 million years ago) the Terminal Event (dumb usage). Isn't terminal when it terminates? And just now I found another paper that calls the Eocene- Ogilocene boundary the Eocene Terminal Event. You guys need to get your ends straight. At any rate, I mean the boundary at the top of the Eocene strata and the bottom of the Ogilocene, 34 million years ago. So, I have a question for the geologists on the List (I know you're there), where do I go in the Eastern U.S. to find Top-O-The-Eocene exposures (beside Georgia and Texas)? Look at the problem this way: 34 million years ago, at the end of an era, some joker hired crews of minimum- wage teenagers to scatter all my golf balls equitably across the landscape. They walked the entire Eastern U.S. in a long row, spaced hundreds of feet apart, and every few hundred feet, they dropped one of my golf balls. Now, 34 million years has passed, and what I want to know is: Where's my golfballs? What's the best spot to look? Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Anita Westlake anitawestl...@att.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 1:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Known Tektite Strewn Fields? Dear List: Could someone lead me to an online resource for known TEKTITE strewnfields? Thanks a bunch, Anita __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn and List, I am a proponent of NWA meteorites and private involvement in hunting for meteorites, and by extension also for laypeople collecting meteorites. But, I don't think anyone would say that the current methodology for removing these NWA meteorites is perfect. The current situation is far from ideal for science for the standpoint of find coordinates and mapping strewnfields. Frankly, it's a mess. Which is exactly why NonCom instituted the NWA catalogue system. The NWA system is meant to provide some kind of order to a very disorderly deluge of meteorites. Once the meteorites are catalogued, the scientists can study them until the proverbial cows come home, and slowly these NWA meteorites become paired and a more cohert picture of their Earthly lineage begins to emerge. But the same chaos that makes the NWA system necessary is also a boon to science because this flood of material has yielded an unprecedented bounty of planetaries, achondrites, and rare types for institutions, universities and museums. The majority of these institutions have never once sent a team into the deserts of NWA to hunt for meteorites. Beyond the mandated 20/20 type specimens, many scientists and museums have benefited from the generous donations of material by private individuals. So, no matter how pessimistic a person wants to be about the NWA meteorite situation, there is no denying that it has been beneficial to everyone involved. Ideally, every nomad and hunter would carry a GPS and log the coordinates of their finds for later submission to the Meteoritical Society. But this is not a realistic expectation given scarcity of electricity in the desert. As anyone who has spent extended periods in the desert will tell you, heat is not good for batteries. Devices that rely on batteries don't last as long in the desert and good luck finding a place to plug it in to charge the battery. Until some insane philanthropist donates 1000 solar-powered GPS units to the nomads, we cannot reasonably expect them to provide accurate find coordinates. (Perhaps some low-tech methods like the ancient mariners used?) As collectors, those of us who have enjoyed the bounty of Saharan gold rush are doubly blessed because the timing of this bounty coincided with the rise of the internet. When those two things converged, collection cabinets around the world swelled - for everyone. All of this would be a moot argument if there were teams of scientists tripping over each other in the desert looking for meteorites and private poachers were pilfering specimens from strewnfields the teams were mapping. But the vast majority of NWA meteorites would still be sitting in the desert if not for nomads bringing them out or private hunters locating them. These meteorites would be covered over by the marching dunes or completely terrestrialized over time. Sure, they would still be preserved for future generations of scientists to possibly find (or not find), but our current generation would never know them, and any benefits gained from their study would not be realized in our time. I am glad for NWA meteorites and thankful to the Moroccans for their efforts to bring these meteorites to the open market. What happens from that point onward is up to the dealers and collectors who will be their temporary caretakers - and it is up to us to treat the meteorites with respect and honor the science by putting knowledge before profit. Best regards, MikeG Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone On 8/31/10, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Martin and Listers, Wow I want what ever your taking and so does my fingers. Any whos thank you for sharing your thoughts Martin and telling me I can answer some of my questions myself. WOW I forgot that the List was a place to talk about meteorites and ask questions. My bad, I must be at the wrong Meteorite List I bet I got phished. Dang, I need a new virus protection program :)~ Back to NWA meteorites, I find it interesting that there isn't much write ups about them. So from a person that has only been around. mm lets say 8 months, I think it was a good time to say something about this topic and see what some of the old timers thought about NWA meteorites. And lastly I hope a meteorite doesn't care where it lands, but from a collectors stand point, we do care, and from a science stand point, they care as well, cause if they didn't then I wouldn't see why the need for strewn fields or coordinates of where the meteorites are recovered from. Shawn Alan IMCA1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p4340 [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Alex wrote: could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? Here you go, Alex. This is just one border town. http://borderzine.com/2010/08/juarez-devastated-by-violence/ Chauncey __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gebel Kamil question
Hello Ron, I am sorry, I don't have much of an answer either. Looking in the MetList archives, I did find an email from a member of the Italian team dated Aug. 1, and Mike's translation. (see below) That email does state that the pieces were stolen. Sorry, this is all I found, since I didn't buy any, I didn't particularly pay attention. Also, having been in Egypt, I am well aware of the strictly enforced Egyptian laws regarding any ancient artifacts, but I don't know if they apply to meteorites. Does anybody know more about it? Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _impact...@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2010 7:45 AM To: py...@libero.it Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] I: Re: Writing on Gebel Kamil iron Hi Giancarlo and List, What an interesting and unfortunate development. Most meteorite collectors and dealers were unaware of the situation at Kamil crater. For those on the List who cannot read Italian, here is a Google translated version of the forum discussion - http://tinyurl.com/29qqopq Does this mean that specimens of Kamil in private hands are illegal? (i.e. Berduc) Best regards, MikeG PS - If these are illegal, then for once, I am glad I didn't receive any of this iron and don't have any. Messaggio originale Da: py...@libero.it Data: 01/08/2010 9.24 A: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.commeteorite-l...@meteoritecentral. com Ogg: Re: [meteorite-list] Writing on Gebel Kamil iron Sorry, but I cannot help you. All the meteorites now on the market are illegally collected and sold because evidently some persons a little time after our expedition give the position of the crater and of the meteorites. In fact after our February 2010 mission all the area was declared from the military autorities off limits and no permission are released to anybody. But clearly some persons went illegally in the area without any permission and they collected many meteorite samples to put its in the market, and evidently numbered some samples. The true history about what happened is online in the forum of my website: http://www.zerzuraclub.org/index.php? option=com_fireboardfunc=viewid=923catid=4Itemid=74#923 Giancarlo Negro In a message dated 8/31/2010 1:08:59 AM Mountain Daylight Time, rhartma...@earthlink.net writes: Good morning all: In reference to all the posts and interests regarding Gebel Kamio, it is my understanding that only 20 kilo of Gebel Kamil was approved for removal from the crater for scientific purposes by the research team that explored the crater, and that a quantity was later removed by an unauthorized person who illegally removed meteorites without the Egyptian government's permission, and that no export documents were ever approved for any others by the government. If this is true, then I would like to think no reputable dealer who was aware of this would ethically want to buy and sell this material, (I should like to believe so!). Are these facts indeed true or has something changed that I have not heard about?? I see Gebel Kamil saturating Ebay and I'm wondering whether the Egyptian government is now permitting collecting or whether additional material is now being allowed out, and what about export papers? Having spent some time in Egypt I know that because of the countries rich abundance of historical artifacts of all kinds including things that can sometimes be found just by kicking the sand, the government has a blanket policy regarding anything that one may want to remove from the country, and the policy is NO, whether specifics are stated or not. Maybe some dealer has traded some of his exotic meteorites or a camel or two for a bucket full of GK. I don't know. May we have a discussion here? I think some clarification and update would be of interest. Someone know something?? Thank You, Ron Hartman __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids. And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even within the parent body!) as rare as they might be. Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books. I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before. Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection a variety of different rocks from Planet Mars! And I don't have to sell home and hearth anymore for getting a fingernail-sized piece of that in my hands, what the heroes of my childhood Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins brought back from up there! Now Jane John and everyone can afford a small piece of Moon. Indeed Shawn, when I was in Tucson, the kilogram of cheese (and I mean cheese, that kind with taste) in the supermarket was more expensive than a kilogram of space rocks on the show! Of course it is a perversion, but also extremely fantastic, isn't it? -- That means NWA to me, that means NWA to many collectors. To science they mean more, there the NWAs are of outstanding importance. 10 years NWA lasts now, that immense gain of meteoritic wealth, knowledge and also passion for the collecting people. If collectors and scientists don't care and that hysteria with that laws-insanity continues, it will take only 10 years more and the NWAs will fully have disappeared again. (And then, one of your questions will be obsolete, because then we all will have to pay again the bitter and cruel prices for them like 10 and 20 years ago.) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Shawn Alan Gesendet: Mittwoch, 1. September 2010 01:26 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Martin and Listers, Wow I want what ever your taking and so does my fingers. Any whos thank you for sharing your thoughts Martin and telling me I can answer some of my questions myself. WOW I forgot that the List was a place to talk about meteorites and ask questions. My bad, I must be at the wrong Meteorite List I bet I got phished. Dang, I need a new virus protection program :)~ Back to NWA meteorites, I find it interesting that there
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Fortunately, AZ and NC are 2 of only a few states that still allow open handgun carry. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secretary, Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society - Original Message - From: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca To: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com; Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Thanks for filling me in, Mike. And yeah, it's quite unfortunate the situation down there,, and it's probably not going to change anytime in the near future... Cheers --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net Cc: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 1:01:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Alex and List, I know this question was directed at Melanie, but I was just talking about this to another collector, so I will say what I told him. There is a vicious and violent drug-war going on right now between the Mexican government and members of various drug cartels. The cartels are very brutal and do not care for outsiders or bystanders. They will kidnap, torture and shoot anyone who crosses their path. It is very unsafe to go out into the countryside away from the heavily-policed tourist areas. Just recently a meteorite hunter went missing from the area near the Allende fall and has not been heard from since. Best regards, MikeG On 8/31/10, Alexander Seidel g...@gmx.net wrote: Hi Melanie, could you please explain to me/us European(s) in a bit more detail, why you think this is so down there in ole Mexico? On a sidenote: I heard and read from some European visitors of the latest Tucson show that people use(d) to walk around there with guns ´n weapons for their own protection. Is that just normal practice down South or elsewhere in the country? Well, nothing but just a question Alex Original-Nachricht Datum: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 09:19:37 -0700 (PDT) Von: Melanie Matthews miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca An: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com, Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Northern Mexico (were the deserts are) would be quite a dangerous place to hunt meteorites. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. - Original Message From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 8:03:58 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? I think they will BE. As most scientists and knowledgeable collectors will tell you, a meteorite doesn't care where it lands. I think they will be greater appreciated when the economy gets better and there is very little left to argue about. They are not mere commodities as some would like you to think and they are not a readily renewable resource. I feel it was very fortunate for them to fall in Northwest Africa where the climate preserves them well and the world's best recovery team was there to collect them. The gold rush has been over for some time reaching its pinnacle a few years ago. It is time to find the next plateau, will it be the Mojave or Mexico? Happy Collecting. Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the
Re: [meteorite-list] Help with a Gebel Kamil meteorite for saleoneBay
G'Day List It has been brought to my attention that possibly in haste to reply to Tom, that my post was a little vague and could be interpreted that I received my money back and then the item arrived and I kept it. Allow me to clarify my post. The response I got from the seller through the PayPal case stated that the money was returned and that they were very sorry and that they would forward another item free. I responded that I wasn't looking for the item for free, I just wanted my money back, but my responses fell on deaf ears and another item arrived. I felt this was the seller's way of resolving the situation amicably for the time period that was involved. As I stated, the item he sent was used and had to be repaired. Also that was some time ago and the unit has left my possession and been given to an upcoming amateur astronomer, who at the time was less fortunate than I was and it was for free. Thank you everyone for your time. I will try to be less eager and more precise with future postings. Cheers John -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of John.L.Cabassi Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 7:08 PM To: starsinthed...@aol.com; countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with a Gebel Kamil meteorite for saleoneBay G'Day Tom Well that really sucks. But in regards to your initial question. No I've never dealt off this person before, nor have I heard of this person before. But that's not to say they're not legit, then again without any sort of reference or go by, you're pretty well on your own. Now in regards to PayPal and Ebay, I still haven't been able to wrap my laughing gear around it yet. But one instance I had was that I was looking for a part for my telescope. I found the product I wanted and it was pretty reasonable, below cost and brand new. So I bid on it and won. Well after several emails, I got no response, so I started to get a little worried. After 3 weeks and biting my nails, I reached my elbow. That's when I decided to take action with PayPal and eBay. Well that went on for a bit, they asked me to submit an email to the person involved which I did, the person involved emailed back said they were sorry and that they would refund my money and send me another item. And I responded, I'm not worried about the refund, just send me the item. If you can't send me the item, I'll accept the refund. Days passed and sure enough I had my refund. So I proceeded to work in other areas to acquire the product I wanted. I found someone that would actually custom design it for what I needed for considerably less. So I went for it. The item arrived, it was fantastic. Not less than a week later, I get a package containing the item that I originally wanted from the same person. It wasn't new, I think it was a return; but it wasn't used but it had a few problems which Aussie ingenuity could not fix. So I went about fixing it. I think it took about 2 hours, but it turned out great; works great. In fact you can't even tell it from a new product. So now I'm stuck with two. Got my money back for one but there's nothing better than having a spare. So I suppose you'd call this a happy event with PayPal and eBay. But believe me, it's the only one and I'm not going into the horrors. Tom, do what I do, trust your gut instinct on weird and crazy things. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Monday, August 30, 2010 4:41 PM To: countde...@earthlink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Help with a Gebel Kamil meteorite for sale oneBay Hi Count, Great to hear from you. This is getting off topic for meteorites but I thought I would share that, as of yet, no one has said they have had any dealings with this seller. I lost out on a $360 microscope part that was not sent. It was a total loss for me. Paypal only helps if they still have $ in the account. If it is a scam and the account is drawn down before you know the item has not arrived (and is never going to arrive), Paypal offers no help. Tom In a message dated 8/30/2010 1:35:55 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, countde...@earthlink.net writes: Hi Tom, I believe this purchase would be covered under eBay's Buyer Protection Plan. Give it a look. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: starsinthed...@aol.com Sent: Aug 30, 2010 2:38 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Help with a Gebel Kamil meteorite for sale on eBay Hi list, I am looking at a nice Gebel Kamil meteorite listed on eBay but the seller has 0 feedback and absolutely no history of happy buyers. I have attached the link to the auction. I was wondering if any of you know
[meteorite-list] Bristol Daytime Fireball? real or hoax?
Dear List, I have just posted: http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2010/09/latest-worldwide-meteormeteorite-news.html Comments please. Thank you. Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Funny you mention cheese Martin. One of my self imposed edicts for buying is: If the meteorite costs less per pound than filet mignon...skip dinner and buy the stone. Perhaps we should combine ideologies and use the cheesesteak as a model http://www.greatwraps.com/Philly-cheesesteaks.jpg Rob Wesel www.nakhladogmeteorites.com www.facebook.com/nakhladog -- We are the music makers... and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 5:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar system, how sun, planets, Earth, life has formed. For this story there it isn't important whether the stone bears a name or a NWA-number. Those meteorites are interesting for collectors with a fascination more for space, science, the material itself. I'd say, from my experience most collectors collect both kinds of meteorites. You're 8 months around - meteorite collecting exist for 200 years now. (old timers - guess I am a kind of, 30 years ago I purchased my first one). When I was young, pretty and full of hopes, I had the permanent choice of only 300 different meteorites/locations. Most of them very laborious to get into the collection, most of them available and/or affordable only in bogey-sizes. Those roadbed-style chondrites, which you as collector get now from NWA-wonderland ad libitum, they came at my times from Texas, Kansas, New Mexico.. and they had cost not 30 nor 50$ but 1000 or 2000$ a kg. Go just 10 years back. Something like a howardite, which you find sometimes here offered on the list or on ebay at 5$/g - the people had to pay 400$ a gram for it. And you had from the rare types almost nothing to choose from. Acapulcoite? You're choice was simple. Monument Draw or Acapulco. One 800$, the other 1200$/g - and not 30$. NWA enabled me, that today I can have in my cupboard the complete asteroid belt, as far as it is known today. All types of rocks, all types of asteroids. And now I can choose, even within the different classes, (sometimes even within the parent body!) as rare as they might be. Now I can afford it! And I can afford it in sizes, that I don't need any longer a magnifier and a lot of fantasy to imagine, that the pinpoint of speck really could be a piece of the meteorite, I only know from books. I even can collect now meteorite types, which weren't known to exist before. Yes, Shawn, I even can have in my collection a variety of different rocks from Planet Mars! And I don't have to sell home and hearth anymore for getting a fingernail-sized piece of that in my hands, what the heroes of my childhood Armstrong, Aldrin, Collins brought back from up there! Now Jane John and everyone can afford a small piece of Moon. Indeed Shawn, when I was in Tucson, the kilogram of cheese (and I mean cheese, that kind with taste) in the supermarket was more expensive than a kilogram of space rocks on the show! Of course it is a perversion, but also extremely fantastic, isn't it? -- That means NWA to me, that means NWA to many collectors. To science they mean more, there the NWAs are of outstanding importance. 10 years NWA lasts now, that immense gain of meteoritic wealth, knowledge and also passion for the collecting people. If collectors and scientists don't care and that hysteria with that laws-insanity continues, it will take only 10 years more and the NWAs will fully have disappeared again. (And then, one of your questions will be obsolete, because then we all will have to pay again the bitter and cruel prices for them like 10 and 20 years ago.) Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von:
[meteorite-list] Cox crisply comments; full text of No evidence; Comet theory carbonized, Rex Dalton, nature.com; fungus found abstract: Rich Murray 2010.08.31
Cox crisply comments; full text of No evidence; Comet theory carbonized, Rex Dalton, nature.com; fungus found abstract: Rich Murray 2010.08.31 http://rmforall.blogspot.com/2010_08_01_archive.htm Tuesday, August 31, 2010 [ at end of each long page, click on Older Posts ] http://groups.yahoo.com/group/astrodeep/message/65 [you may have to Copy and Paste URLs into your browser] ___ http://cosmictusk.com/new-paper-greenland-ice-sheet-shows-diamond-rich-layer-at-younger-dryas-boundary#comments Dennis Cox August 31st, 2010 at 12:05 am Pinter's work is immaterial. In the final analysis, the NDs will be seen as minor clues only. But don't be to quick to dismiss them. Even though it's turning into a circular case of 'we said, they said'. Who's correct? Are the NDs valid? If, in fact, the NDs are really there, then they describe a violent set of minimum atmospheric conditions. We can test this easily enough if we work from the postulate that they can be thought of as a barometer and pyrometer, rolled into one. If such exogenic thermal explosive conditions were real, and they were directed downwards at the ground, then there was enough heat and pressure to make stone flow like water for a moment. The NDs are not the only blast affected materials of the powerful explosive events they formed in. Those explosions most certainly left their marks. And they aren't craters. If they formed in airburst impact vortices, then the Boslough simulation predicts the temps, pressures, and rotation speeds of a single impact down-blast vortex. Working from the postulate that the events of the YDB were caused by the impact storms of the debris streams of the fragmented Taurid progenitor -- the YD impact hypothesis as it stands, describes tens of thousands of such airbursts in a little over an hour. And acompanied by clouds of particles down to the size dust grains falling into the atmosphere at something like 30 km/second. Sounds too fantastic? Stay with me here. I'm on a roll. Firestone and friends proposed destructive forces equivalent to as much as 10^9 megatons of TNT -- or in ordinary English, a million, billion tons of TNT. Temps hotter than the surface of the sun. Is our comet predicted to have been big enough to account for such devastation? Judge for yourself. Before its breakup, the Taurid progenitor is estimated at 10^15 gm total mass. Yeah, I know, using a gram scale to weigh a giant comet is like giving the distance to moon in inches. It works out to well over 1.1 billion tons. And between 50 and 100 km in diameter. Since the YD hypothesis has become a fully fledged theory that gives a specific description of the exact nature of the impactors, then it follows that we can also predict the nature and severity of the blast affected materials. Only the first fragments to fall would have gone into cold atmosphere. The rest would have fallen into already superheated impact plasma and just cranked up the heat and pressure. We aren't looking for craters where a solid bolide hit the ground. We are looking for the signatures, whatever they might be, of a 'Perfect Storm' of thermal impact plasma. A full blown magneto-hydrodynamic-plasma storm, with winds gusting to supersonic, and the gusts hotter than the surface of the sun. The surface of the Earth didn't get smashed and broken. It was flash melted and blown away. The overpressures of the blasts would have tossed whole mountain ranges like clumps of flour on a bakers table. And flash melted them like chunks of wax under a high pressure blowtorch. 10^9 mega tons TNT of destruction doesn't seem like such a stretch when you work out how big the comet was. Extraordinary hypotheses require extraordinary proofs. If the Younger Dryas Impacts were, in fact, the multiple airburst impact storms of the Taurid Progenitor, then there should be a hundreds of thousands cubic miles of flash melted rock and blast affected materials on this continent, as pristine as the day they first cooled -- with no giant volcanic system to blame for them. Fortunately this is not a problem. Trust and believe, that the world hasn't been shown all the lines of evidence yet. http://craterhunter.wordpress.com http://www.scribd.com/doc/36697955/no-evidence-of-nanodiamonds-in-Younger-Dryas-sediments-to-support-an-impact-event 6 pages free full text, click on Download, then go to your download file folder, and R click the document name to get to the Menu to then click Print http://www.nature.com/news/2010/100831/full/news.2010.441.html Published online 31 August 2010, Nature, doi:10.1038/news.2010.441 News Comet theory carbonized Sediment studies rule out impact as cause of ancient cold spell. Rex Dalton The idea that a comet impact triggered a widespread climate chill has taken another hit. MIKE AGLIOLO/SCIENCE PHOTO LIBRARY The controversial theory that a comet impact sent Earth into a
[meteorite-list] Meteorite hunting in Mexico: DON'T DO IT.
Bill opined: I've spent a lot of time in Mexico. The best produce, fruits and veg, on the continent. It's kind of like the way the US was 50 years ago. People there won't settle for inferior goods like we do now. Never had a problem. I guess I don't watch the news enough. No, evidently you don't. If you're literally dying for a good tomato, then I suppose Juarez or Tijuana would be a great place to visit. The MetList is no place to discuss international politics or socioeconomics, but it ~is~ certainly appropriate to discuss issues related to meteorite recovery in foreign countries, including the risks in doing so. There are a number of countries in the world that one would be very ill-advised to visit under any circumstances, let alone meteorite hunting. Mexico is ~relatively~ safe in popular tourist destinations (e.g. Cabo San Lucas, Cancun, Mazatlan, and to a lesser degree Puerto Vallarta). Unfortunately, these are not the areas where meteorites are likely to be found. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE?
Hello Martin and Listers, Thank you Martin for your post and the cheese bit. It got me to thinking and when I got out of the gym tonight, I had to buy some parmesan cheese. I love that stuff. I put it on everything, when I can afford it. But for some reason, cheese in NYC seems over priced, lets hope this doesn't happen with meteorites :) cause I will go broke with collecting every meteorite out there Just kidding, I have my select few meteorites that I collect, and from what I can tell, location, location, location plays a big role in the collecting side to the science side of meteorites. Perfect example, The first Lunar meteorite discovered outside of Antarctica, Calcalong Creek from Australia, by Robert Haag. From what I have read, a gram of that meteorite was selling for about $40,000. And now the race is on for the first person to discover the first Lunar meteorite in the US. And Martin you say location doesn't really matter, but it does, even on a scientific level. Now I bet if a scientist didn't know where the meteorite came from it would be harder for them to analyze the stone because of contamination which they didn't know about from where the meteorite came from. Or when it comes to field work, when people are looking over the strewn field they can predict how big the meteorite was, what angle it came in at, because of the useful information collected by people in the field. These elements are just as important in meterotic science as the meteorite its self. Almahata Sitta is a great example of how the location of the meteorite was just as important as the meteorite. Almahata Sitta is made up of many different meteorite classifications. Now if scientists didn't have the ability to document the location of the meteorite fall and just said here are some meteorites but we don't have the location cause that doesn't matter I wonder where we would be at with the many discoveries with the Almahata Sitta meteorite and countless other meteroites? Now you see how location can be the best for both worlds. I wonder why some institutions don't except NWA meteorites anymore to be analyzed? Is that because they are from NWA and nothing more, or is it that there isn't any regulation of how they are collected, or is that they cost too much money cause they are rare? I might have an idea why some institutions wont touch them but it really doesn't matter what I say but the fact of the matter is location might be the factor or the lack there of of why some institutions don't touch NWA's. Martin, you made a good point about how people collect. Some collect for the history side and others collect from the science side. I collect with both sides in mind. I think all the factors can play a great role in ones collection and how this collection can be of value from a scientific side, to a collectors side. I collect NWA's all the way to historic falls. But at the end of the day I want to know where my meteorites came from. A meteorite is a meteorite but what makes a meteorite more than a meteorite is the history behind the fall, where it came from, and how that meteorite impacted science. But that one take, and I collect with both sides in mind. Shawn Alan IMCA1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html?_nkw=_armrs=1_from=_ipg=_trksid=p 4340 [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Martin Altmann altmann at meteorite-martin.de Tue Aug 31 20:59:56 EDT 2010 Previous message: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Next message: [meteorite-list] NWA meteorites, TO BE OR NOT TO BE? Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] Hi Shawn, I meant it totally seriously. Even I handling daily meteorites, and probably because of my simple mind, have to do such visualizations from time to time, and I wanted to express only, that for many if not most collectors (incl. researchers),it really doesn't matter that much, whether a meteorite is found in Sahara, Antarctica, USA or Burundi. The meteorites from Sahara and especially the NWA are, were and will have been always the most important source of meteoritic material of all times. As that collecting hobby is about meteorites, why one shouldn't collect them too? You know, meteorites can tell to the collectors two stories. One story is their Earthly story. Their story how they felt, who owned them before, sometimes some curious circumstances how they were found or how they felt, who has parts of them, in which museums are parts of them, in how many books was written something about them, were some scientific recoveries made for the first time on them... etc. This story is interesting for the collector, who likes historic meteorites or pedigree specimens most. The other story is, what they have to tell us about the worlds out there, the solar
