Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios
Hi Richard, I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite... Maybe this will help: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/almahbas.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net; Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios A long while ago, before I had a clue who Dr. Ted Bunch was, I was given his name and contacted him with a question about a rock whose interior I thought (at the time) resembled LA001 and would he be interested in seeing it? Sure. Of course I sent it off, and being a newbe I had huge hopes, and of course it was terrestrial...but the great part was that TB gave it attention, and I am honored. (I since know with whom I was corresponding...thanks Dr. Ted for looking; you have my utmost respect.) I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite...a testament to why serious meteoriticist scientist shouldn't be bothered with trivia [sorry Ted:)]... Please, no clones. One is plenty Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Thanks guys - I love rocks and will look at anything that is outside of anyone's pants. Watch it Darryl, a cloning procedure is underway and a TB clone may come and live with you all! Ted On 2/7/11 10:29 AM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: friendly? could there betwo ted bunches out there?!! two steve arnoldsnow two ted bunches?! gary, i second carl's sentiment below. you are indeed a charming, lovely fellow who brightened my days as well.* all best / darryl *as does the tbear ;-) On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: IMHO Ted Bunch is always friendly. If you ask him an honest question he will go out of his way to give you an answere along with references. He has so little time I think it kind of pisses him off if you waste it. Worse thing you can ask him is look at my rock he must get hundreds of look at my rock questions a month. If you ask him about a type of rock and where to learn more he will go out of his way to help you learn. In my opinion thats friendly! Cheers Steve Dunklee On Mon Feb 7th, 2011 11:16 AM EST cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Gary, It is you that brightened ALL of our days. Just yesterday a few of us were talking about how you fill every room you enter with such positive energy and joy. . It was GREAT to see you and look forward to getting more of your positive energy in the future. You and many others ( too many to list) helped make this my favorite show of all time. Every body was SUPER. Even Ted Bunch was friendly! Ha Ha. That's how good a show this is. (still a week to go). Aloha, Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: While enjoying the ambience of LAX, I am reflecting on the great times I had again this year in Tucson. Great friends, great food, great drink, great rocks, great googlymoogly! Mahalo nui loa to all my brothers and sisters who have opened their hearts to this simple island boy with unbridled aloha. Till next year (and possibly Ensisheim and Denver), a hui hou! Sent from Gary's iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose reserves. Do not announce the mail in bids. Give the mail bidder a number and use it as if in the audience. If you disclose the mail in bid maximum before selling the lot you are in deep kimchee. Phone bids should be handled by staff, with a bidder number and the auctioneer should not say “on the phone”. Merely acknowledge staff’s raised hand. You sell to a number…not a person. As a general rule do not identify bidders by calling out their name. It can do no good and may stop a bid because of a personal issue. Bid calling is an art form. One should develop a pleasing appearance and voice. Use rhythm chants on small amounts and walking chants on the big numbers. The audience gets comfortable in following you and entertained and the sale moves quickly. Start on time and be prepared. Inform the audience of the order of sale and the terms and conditions before calling for the first lot.Introduce your staff and mention who to see for check out and pick up. Arrange lots to develop and keep interest and drama. Don’t bunch smalls one after the other…bidders will get bored and not bid on these items hurting the consignor. Scatter smalls through the sale. Don’t place late entries at the end of a sale. Give them the respect they deserve and place them through the sale by saying “additional lot number so and so”. Give a proper description. If you add undisclosed lots at the end of a sale you will have lost the bulk of the bidders and hurt the consignor. Tell the audience that there are late entries scattered through the sale and that they are on display at the front. It is absolutely necessary when selling small items such as meteorites to have as much of a preview period as possible and during the sale, either put them up on screen, or run them through the audience with ring persons. Ring persons should know to run the lot being bid on from bidder to bidder not to non participating audience members. Remember! An auctioneer is a third party intermediary between seller and buyer who has been paid to be knowledgeable in auction advertising, promotion and conduct, knows intimately the lot and its value and is beyond criticism of his business methods.. We could go on and on….but these are some of the absolute necessary policies and techniques. There have been books written. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5854 (20110207) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5854 (20110207) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose reserves. Do not announce the mail in bids. Give the mail bidder a number and use it as if in the audience. If you disclose the mail in bid maximum before selling the lot you are in deep kimchee. Phone bids should be handled by staff, with a bidder number and the auctioneer should not say “on the phone”. Merely acknowledge staff’s raised hand. You sell to a number…not a person. As a general rule do not identify bidders by calling out their name. It can do no good and may stop a bid because of a personal issue. Bid calling is an art form. One should develop a pleasing appearance and voice. Use rhythm chants on small amounts and walking chants on the big numbers. The audience gets comfortable in following you and entertained and the sale moves quickly. Start on time and be prepared. Inform the audience of the order of sale and the terms and conditions before calling for the first lot.Introduce your staff and mention who to see for check out and pick up. Arrange lots to develop and keep interest and drama. Don’t bunch smalls one after the other…bidders will get bored and not bid on these items hurting the consignor. Scatter smalls through the sale. Don’t place late entries at the end of a sale. Give them the respect they deserve and place them through the sale by saying “additional lot number so and so”. Give a proper description. If you add undisclosed lots at the end of a sale you will have lost the bulk of the bidders and hurt the consignor. Tell the audience that there are late entries scattered through the sale and that they are on display at the front. It is absolutely necessary when selling small items such as meteorites to have as much of a preview period as possible and during the sale, either put them up on screen, or run them through the audience with ring persons. Ring persons should know to run the lot being bid on from bidder to bidder not to non participating audience members. Remember! An auctioneer is a third party intermediary between seller and buyer who has been paid to be knowledgeable in auction advertising, promotion and conduct, knows intimately the lot and its value and is beyond criticism of his business methods.. We could go on and on….but these are some of the absolute necessary policies and techniques. There have been books written. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5854 (20110207) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5854 (20110207) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Hinweis von ESET Smart Security, Signaturdatenbank-Version 5855 (20110208) __ E-Mail wurde geprüft mit ESET Smart Security. http://www.eset.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Mr. Oatman.I believe apoligies NEED to be in order(from you). Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Thank you Jason. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Jason Utas meteorite...@gmail.com Sent: Feb 7, 2011 7:36 PM To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Michael, All, I'd like to point out that the above articles do not shed any light on the professional demeanor of our own Count (Robert Deiro). To quote one of the articles: Robert Deiro, who started the auction business in 1976 and sold it to his son in 1991, is estranged from his son. He's embarrassed his name is involved even though he isn't. This has really been hard on me, the retiree said. I'm sorry if this brings any unwanted/unpleasant things up, but I felt that this should be clarified, as the published articles were very misleading if the above lines were not pointed out. Regards, Jason On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 7:14 PM, mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions from bidders ruins credibility. Never say “I have $200”. Auctioneers don’t have anything. Better to say “at $200”, or $200 is bid.” Taking a bid from an opening bidder, and then acquiring another bid and then not go immediately back to the opening bidder is insulting to him. Work the first to bidders dry…then take a competing bid. Saves time and respects the first bidders. All auctioneers should employ trained ring persons. They are invaluable in encouraging bidders, showing lots, and answering questions like “where we at?” or “what’s the bid?” It is not accepted practice for an auctioneer to bid on his own behalf, even if he does not own the goods being sold. If he does, he should never announce the fact, as it tends to discourage bidding and hurts his consignors and credibility. He should have several house numbers to sell a passed lot to, or a lot that didn’t meet an undisclosed reserve, or a lot he has bought. Do not disclose reserves. Do not announce
Re: [meteorite-list] Mystery Box ~ Revealed!!
Hey Greg, Just wanted to say thanks for all you do. While others shout their achievements to the world ( like me) You quietly, respectfully, ROCK the meteorite world with your knowledge and generosity. You remind me very much of my late friend Jim Kriegh. Very classy! Even though I am not an IMCA member I know they provide a valuable service and I'm sure they appreciate people like you, Geoff and Steve! I too am sure that the winner of your mystery box was very happy. On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 11:01 PM, Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net wrote: That was a great idea Greg, and I knew you'd have it filled with good stuff. All of us IMCA members owe you a big thank you for your generosity Same goes to Steve and Geoff for their fund raising entries. Bravo! I only wish I'd have been sitting on a bigger cushion of cash with which to bid. Next year for sure... Linton - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; 'Meteorite-list List' meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 4:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mystery Box ~ Revealed!! Hello Richard M. and List, Richard M. inquired: I still haven't heard what was in the Mystery box. Write back! The Tucson Show and Michael Blood Auction was a lot of fun... and MANY great deals were had by the lucky high bidders, including the winner of my Mystery Box benefitting the IMCA. Now that the auction is in the history books, here were the seven items: 1) NWA 2798 - L3.2 - 7.72g 2) NWA 3143 - Diogenite - 5.4g 3) NWA 3161 - LL3.7 - 11.2g 4) NWA 4446 - CV3 - 11.5g 5) NWA 4882 - Brachinite - 7.7g 6) NWA 4930 - Martian Shergottite - .446g 7) NWA 5480 - Olivine Diogenite - 15.3g It was fun to hear bids going higher and higher as the items were revealed after the hammer went down. I'll venture to say the winning bidder was VERY happy with his win!! ;-) Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Richard Montgomery Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 11:19 PM To: 'Meteorite-list List' Subject: [meteorite-list] the auction Hello List, Richard Montgomery here (goldierocks)after the thin section of 5400 went for pennies (well, dollars, but relatively few) I lost the feed and caught some way-over-due sleep (not as much as Bernd may have needed)...yet, I still haven't heard what was in the Mystery box. Write back! Thanks __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is something you learn not to do the first day at auction school. It is critical that auctioneers make the audience believe they know what they are selling, and what it’s worth, so that bidders will have confidence to bid what is being asked. Failing to answer legitimate questions
[meteorite-list] Asteroids
A new perspective on the old... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSqYk6yD75I And this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDD-86BD-0 Density Of Asteroids in the Orbital Plane of the Solar System (very cool visualization) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpPjsdlTnw So how important is planetary defense anyway? Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios
Good one Jeff! Of course I was refering to SiO-type...hence the joke. I had a NWAxxx that had a bunch of minute florescing insect webs adhering to the sand-grains, most likely picked up sitting around in someone's basement box for years. They were bright-blue under the scope...also wiped away with a cloth. As for unique olivine characteristics...I have a Brahin slice with minute 'bubbles' in the olivine...anyone seen this before? Richard - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Hi Richard, I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite... Maybe this will help: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/almahbas.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net; Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios A long while ago, before I had a clue who Dr. Ted Bunch was, I was given his name and contacted him with a question about a rock whose interior I thought (at the time) resembled LA001 and would he be interested in seeing it? Sure. Of course I sent it off, and being a newbe I had huge hopes, and of course it was terrestrial...but the great part was that TB gave it attention, and I am honored. (I since know with whom I was corresponding...thanks Dr. Ted for looking; you have my utmost respect.) I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite...a testament to why serious meteoriticist scientist shouldn't be bothered with trivia [sorry Ted:)]... Please, no clones. One is plenty Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Thanks guys - I love rocks and will look at anything that is outside of anyone's pants. Watch it Darryl, a cloning procedure is underway and a TB clone may come and live with you all! Ted On 2/7/11 10:29 AM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: friendly? could there betwo ted bunches out there?!! two steve arnoldsnow two ted bunches?! gary, i second carl's sentiment below. you are indeed a charming, lovely fellow who brightened my days as well.* all best / darryl *as does the tbear ;-) On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: IMHO Ted Bunch is always friendly. If you ask him an honest question he will go out of his way to give you an answere along with references. He has so little time I think it kind of pisses him off if you waste it. Worse thing you can ask him is look at my rock he must get hundreds of look at my rock questions a month. If you ask him about a type of rock and where to learn more he will go out of his way to help you learn. In my opinion thats friendly! Cheers Steve Dunklee On Mon Feb 7th, 2011 11:16 AM EST cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Gary, It is you that brightened ALL of our days. Just yesterday a few of us were talking about how you fill every room you enter with such positive energy and joy. . It was GREAT to see you and look forward to getting more of your positive energy in the future. You and many others ( too many to list) helped make this my favorite show of all time. Every body was SUPER. Even Ted Bunch was friendly! Ha Ha. That's how good a show this is. (still a week to go). Aloha, Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: While enjoying the ambience of LAX, I am reflecting on the great times I had again this year in Tucson. Great friends, great food, great drink, great rocks, great googlymoogly! Mahalo nui loa to all my brothers and sisters who have opened their hearts to this simple island boy with unbridled aloha. Till next year (and possibly Ensisheim and Denver), a hui hou! Sent from Gary's iPhone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] AD - Great Stuff Ending At Auction
Dear List Members, Please take a look at some great auctions ending this evening. 54 different items, all started at just 99 cents with no reserve. I only have two pieces of the Josephinite left so if you want a piece, you may want to bid. Once they are gone, along with many other items, I have no way of replacing them. Link to all auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/raremeteorites!/m.html Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck. Best Regards, Adam Hupe The Hupe Collection IMCA 2185 Team Lunar Rock __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios
Hi Richard and Jeff, I have one Unwa-xxx, that has four irisescence spots on the surface of the black fusion crust? I am going to guess this was caused by metal flecks close to the surface or just the crust it self turning to glass? What is your thoughts on that. Thanks Dave - Original Message From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 11:57:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Good one Jeff! Of course I was refering to SiO-type...hence the joke. I had a NWAxxx that had a bunch of minute florescing insect webs adhering to the sand-grains, most likely picked up sitting around in someone's basement box for years. They were bright-blue under the scope...also wiped away with a cloth. As for unique olivine characteristics...I have a Brahin slice with minute 'bubbles' in the olivine...anyone seen this before? Richard - Original Message - From: Jeff Kuyken i...@meteorites.com.au To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:32 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Hi Richard, I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite... Maybe this will help: http://www.meteorites.com.au/features/almahbas.html Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net To: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net; Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios A long while ago, before I had a clue who Dr. Ted Bunch was, I was given his name and contacted him with a question about a rock whose interior I thought (at the time) resembled LA001 and would he be interested in seeing it? Sure. Of course I sent it off, and being a newbe I had huge hopes, and of course it was terrestrial...but the great part was that TB gave it attention, and I am honored. (I since know with whom I was corresponding...thanks Dr. Ted for looking; you have my utmost respect.) I never did get a reply from a subsequent joke email I sent him asking if he'd ever seen opal-like-florescing in a meteorite...a testament to why serious meteoriticist scientist shouldn't be bothered with trivia [sorry Ted:)]... Please, no clones. One is plenty Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net To: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; Steve Dunklee steve.dunk...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 11:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson adios Thanks guys - I love rocks and will look at anything that is outside of anyone's pants. Watch it Darryl, a cloning procedure is underway and a TB clone may come and live with you all! Ted On 2/7/11 10:29 AM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: friendly? could there betwo ted bunches out there?!! two steve arnoldsnow two ted bunches?! gary, i second carl's sentiment below. you are indeed a charming, lovely fellow who brightened my days as well.* all best / darryl *as does the tbear ;-) On Feb 7, 2011, at 12:01 PM, Steve Dunklee wrote: IMHO Ted Bunch is always friendly. If you ask him an honest question he will go out of his way to give you an answere along with references. He has so little time I think it kind of pisses him off if you waste it. Worse thing you can ask him is look at my rock he must get hundreds of look at my rock questions a month. If you ask him about a type of rock and where to learn more he will go out of his way to help you learn. In my opinion thats friendly! Cheers Steve Dunklee On Mon Feb 7th, 2011 11:16 AM EST cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Gary, It is you that brightened ALL of our days. Just yesterday a few of us were talking about how you fill every room you enter with such positive energy and joy. . It was GREAT to see you and look forward to getting more of your positive energy in the future. You and many others ( too many to list) helped make this my favorite show of all time. Every body was SUPER. Even Ted Bunch was friendly! Ha Ha. That's how good a show this is. (still a week to go). Aloha, Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: While enjoying the ambience of LAX, I am reflecting on the great times I had again this year in Tucson. Great friends, great food, great drink, great rocks, great googlymoogly! Mahalo nui loa to all my brothers and sisters who have opened their hearts to this simple island boy with unbridled aloha. Till next year (and possibly Ensisheim and Denver), a hui hou! Sent from Gary's iPhone
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html Sincerely, Michael Oatman Count Deiro wrote the following I owned and have operated some of the largest auction firms in the nation since receiving my Certified Auctioneer Institute professional designation from Indiana University in 1985. Prior to that, I attended Missouri Auction School and served an apprenticeship at Sothebys in New York. I became licensed in eight states. I was the Charter President of the Nevada State Auctioneers Association. My firms have sold, and I have gaveled down, over a billion dollars in real and personal property, even some meteorites at this auction last year. I have sold my auction interests to family members and have been of counsel to our firms and other companies for the past 15 years. So the qualifying remarks having been made…here we go: SOME (NOT ALL) AUCTION POLICIES AND TECHNIQUES Auctioneers have a legal fiduciary obligation to Consignors. They should be knowledgeable of the items they sell and should be able to pronounce names and make accurate descriptions. An auctioneer has to know the retail value of every lot and have examples to quote to the audience, so that he can open the bid at a sum that encourages bidders to bid on the money. Opening a $500 item at $20 is incompetence. Getting an opening bid that is off the money...say $100 on a $500 item and then asking for $120 instead of $200 is
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Yep, most of the material I entered went below my costs. A gorgeous 33.2 gram complete slice of Dhofar 700 prepared by Marlin Cilz sold for only $220.00, a fraction of what it would have realized on eBay. It cost me nearly this much to have it prepared if you take cutting loss into account and this doesn't include what I paid for the stone itself. I saw a thin section sell for only $80.00 that should have realized at least $400.00 so I did not feel so bad and I did not take the low prices personally. I knew going in that items would not realize their full potential but was taken back a little bit by how low some of the items sold for. Prices were all over the board so you cannot take these prices and draw any conclusions from them. The market is not in ruin as some used to state. The only consolation for losing so much money is that a few collectors approached me after the auction and were very appreciative of the items and that I did not place any reserves on them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:28:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you are directly insulting Mr. Blood and the girls working the ring. I had a chance to google your Auction Firm and it seems that the Deiro Auctioneer's have defrauded many well respected members of the community. Since you mentioned that you serve as counsel to the firms I assume that all of these individuals and charities have been paid the proceeds they had due and that your firms are conducting business in a reputable manner. Sometimes one needs to look in the mirror before offering unsolicited advice to another. In my opinion public apologies are in order. http://www.lvrj.com/news/claudine-williams-memory-deserves-better-than-this-81882842.html l http://www.lvrj.com/news/you-win-some-and-lose-some-trying-to-help-readers-99743969.html l http://www.allbusiness.com/government/government-bodies-offices-regional-local/14198362-1.html l
Re: [meteorite-list] about meteorite casts
Aloha all, One of the mountain of packages that awaited me upon my return home was one that contained a cast of the Middlesborough meteorite. It is an incredibly oriented stone reproduced beautifully in this cast. My only complaint is that some idiot at customs cut through the box and scarred the piece in several places. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Middlesborough.jpg I am very happy with the piece, very disappointed with customs, but anyone interested should contact Dee Dave at GeoEd Ltd in Cornwall. Email is fos...@geoed.co.uk gary On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Graham, If you mean original meteorites that were sources of casts in general (not Middlesborough in particular), you were very close to a famous one last Summer: Ensisheim meteorite, 53.832 kg, original displayed in the Ensi Regency palace. Only 2 identical (plaster) casts have been manufactured from that original in the late 1940's (or 1950's ?) by a local artist. One belongs to the Guardians and is sometimes lend for display instead of the original that is, as you might guess, tricky and risky to carry here and there. I am the very lucky owner of the second cast. It was officially donated to me by the Guardians after we had organized the first 2000 show. I continue to believe this was an outstanding honor that I never deserved, whatever my contribution to initiate the show (actually that work was, and still is, far more a pleasure and a challenge than a task). This being, if ever you need my cast for any kind of display (even in the UK), I am always ready to lend it occasionally. Because I consider that this almost unique cast can be to some extent an elegant way to dispatch the fame of that unique meteorite, and perhaps the knowledge of meteorites in general. I may suspect the artist realized it for that kind of purpose. BTW, please note all: The real and accurately measured weight of the original meteorite fragment sited in Ensisheim (by all means the main mass) is well 53.831, as officially re-weighed in 2002. The other often mentioned figures (about 55 kg or alike) are not correct. My best, Zelimir At 23:44 25/01/2010, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Dan, I have chased up the original sources of the casts and they are no longer available...unless of course someone on the list knows different...I have been after one for years. Graham Daniel H. Fronefield dfron...@hiwaay.net wrote: So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for sale? Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various methods. Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too. Dan Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
I will chime in on the prices. Like Adam stated, much fine NWA material sold for pretty low prices, that Dhofar 700 slice was a killer. On the other hand, the Norton Co pieces sold for 40+/g, the Worden was 300/g (I originally sold pieces of this for 15-20/g in 2002)! Sylacauga sold for about 2150/g, some of the TX chondrites were 6-10/g, and the small Allende slice was 15/g (if I can remember correctly). The Johnstown 7.3g sold for 2300, not too shabby. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:48:43 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Yep, most of the material I entered went below my costs. A gorgeous 33.2 gram complete slice of Dhofar 700 prepared by Marlin Cilz sold for only $220.00, a fraction of what it would have realized on eBay. It cost me nearly this much to have it prepared if you take cutting loss into account and this doesn't include what I paid for the stone itself. I saw a thin section sell for only $80.00 that should have realized at least $400.00 so I did not feel so bad and I did not take the low prices personally. I knew going in that items would not realize their full potential but was taken back a little bit by how low some of the items sold for. Prices were all over the board so you cannot take these prices and draw any conclusions from them. The market is not in ruin as some used to state. The only consolation for losing so much money is that a few collectors approached me after the auction and were very appreciative of the items and that I did not place any reserves on them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:28:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community - some old, some new, and some I've yet to meet. Is everything perfect? Of course not! We're all human and we live on planet Earth. But we should be celebrating our common interest, not quibbling over petty problems. I can understand the differing points of view, but I don't understand the point of complaining about it all. I assure you, we'll all have bigger things on our minds on our deathbeds. So hats off to Michael, Ruben, Leigh Anne, Suzanne, Lisa Marie, Twink, John, and anyone else involved. We'll have even more fun next year! Linton - Original Message - From: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 7:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Dear Meteorite List and Count Deiro, I read with interest the posts regarding the 2011 Tucson Auction. I have attended the Blood auction in past years and always enjoyed myself. The Count's post seems to indicate that Michael's auction was conducted poorly. I realize that you have emailed that it was not your intent to refer to the Blood Auction specifically, but you must agree that it seems you
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION
As both Adam and Matt have commented, the prices were all over the place. Some went WAY below what I had expected; a few went for more; a couple went VERY high. A couple of the absentee bidders had deep pockets so some bids went high that way. If I hadn't already been broke from earlier show purchases, I would definitely have been bidding on several of the items. As Michael Blood commented on some, they were a real steal. I think that the no reserve on most of the items kept the price down since we could start the bidding at what would be rediculously low prices. There was no reason to start up in a more reasonable (to the seller) range. Don __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
Yes, some of the pieces went higher than expected. You can thank my brother, Greg and a few other bidders for recognizing the value, bidding up and in some cases winning stones like the Johnstown piece and Norton County which I have seen sell for far below what they went for. These were the exception and not the rule. I saw a Jerry Armstrong painting sell for 1/5th the amount I would have expected so many bargains were to be had and not just on NWA pieces. I am sure there are a lot of happy collectors and dealers running around after purchasing at this auction. It is supposed to be a fun event and the prices realized should not be taken too seriously. I had a good time even though others and myself took a beating this year on sell prices. You cannot win all of the time and this provides needed contrast. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:58:12 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I will chime in on the prices. Like Adam stated, much fine NWA material sold for pretty low prices, that Dhofar 700 slice was a killer. On the other hand, the Norton Co pieces sold for 40+/g, the Worden was 300/g (I originally sold pieces of this for 15-20/g in 2002)! Sylacauga sold for about 2150/g, some of the TX chondrites were 6-10/g, and the small Allende slice was 15/g (if I can remember correctly). The Johnstown 7.3g sold for 2300, not too shabby. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 10:48:43 To: Adammeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Yep, most of the material I entered went below my costs. A gorgeous 33.2 gram complete slice of Dhofar 700 prepared by Marlin Cilz sold for only $220.00, a fraction of what it would have realized on eBay. It cost me nearly this much to have it prepared if you take cutting loss into account and this doesn't include what I paid for the stone itself. I saw a thin section sell for only $80.00 that should have realized at least $400.00 so I did not feel so bad and I did not take the low prices personally. I knew going in that items would not realize their full potential but was taken back a little bit by how low some of the items sold for. Prices were all over the board so you cannot take these prices and draw any conclusions from them. The market is not in ruin as some used to state. The only consolation for losing so much money is that a few collectors approached me after the auction and were very appreciative of the items and that I did not place any reserves on them. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com To: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net; Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 10:28:43 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? I thought the same thing too. I have never seen an auctioneer close bid so fast. Almost like they were in a hurry. Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: I watched the auction ffrom California via Ruben's broadcast...which was awesome!...the only thing I noticed that struck me as a bit odd was how fast Michael closed the items, and I kept wondering if more time was taken that bids would have increased substantially. (I don't think this was on purpose...please don't mis-understand!) There were some real low wins on some pretty amazing pieces (like the TFL thin-section)... Hat's off to Greg H. for a fantastic donation to a great auction! Even though I haven't personally met any of you, after watching, reading all the posts and pictures and videos this year I feel as if I have. Thanks everyone. Richard Montgomery Goldierocks - Original Message - From: Linton Rohr linton...@earthlink.net To: mike oatman mkoat...@gmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 07, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? Good grief! All this post-auction bickering reminds me of the old adage, No good deed goes unpunished. I had a great time at the auction, in spite of not winning a single item, and I appreciate the efforts of all those who make it happen. I don't go expecting the tightly run ship of a world-class auction house, but to have fun with friends in the meteorite community -
[meteorite-list] about meteorite casts
Hi Gary, What a bummer about the damaged Middlesbrough cast, are the scratches deep or could they be painted out? Your right to big up Dee and David, they produce top quality casts and the Middlesbrough really is top notch! Hope your cast is not too badly damaged and is repairable. Cheers Martin -- Martin Goff www.msg-meteorites.co.uk IMCA #3387 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] about meteorite casts
Hi Gary, Yes a wonderful cast and a local fall for me. Mine arrived a few days ago. Shame about the damage to yours...very annoying. Not sure I thanked Zelimir back then for his kind offer toothat is a very generous offer...will keep it in mind. Sure missed the trip to Tucson this time, and thanks for all the photos...unfortunately could not keep awake that late for the live streaming (great of you Ruben and Co for doing it...did anybody record it?)) but hopefully see many of you in Ensisheim to swap stories and share a beer. Cheers, Graham On 8 February 2011 18:58, Gary Fujihara fuj...@mac.com wrote: Aloha all, One of the mountain of packages that awaited me upon my return home was one that contained a cast of the Middlesborough meteorite. It is an incredibly oriented stone reproduced beautifully in this cast. My only complaint is that some idiot at customs cut through the box and scarred the piece in several places. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/Images/Middlesborough.jpg I am very happy with the piece, very disappointed with customs, but anyone interested should contact Dee Dave at GeoEd Ltd in Cornwall. Email is fos...@geoed.co.uk gary On Jan 26, 2010, at 3:51 AM, Zelimir Gabelica wrote: Hi Graham, If you mean original meteorites that were sources of casts in general (not Middlesborough in particular), you were very close to a famous one last Summer: Ensisheim meteorite, 53.832 kg, original displayed in the Ensi Regency palace. Only 2 identical (plaster) casts have been manufactured from that original in the late 1940's (or 1950's ?) by a local artist. One belongs to the Guardians and is sometimes lend for display instead of the original that is, as you might guess, tricky and risky to carry here and there. I am the very lucky owner of the second cast. It was officially donated to me by the Guardians after we had organized the first 2000 show. I continue to believe this was an outstanding honor that I never deserved, whatever my contribution to initiate the show (actually that work was, and still is, far more a pleasure and a challenge than a task). This being, if ever you need my cast for any kind of display (even in the UK), I am always ready to lend it occasionally. Because I consider that this almost unique cast can be to some extent an elegant way to dispatch the fame of that unique meteorite, and perhaps the knowledge of meteorites in general. I may suspect the artist realized it for that kind of purpose. BTW, please note all: The real and accurately measured weight of the original meteorite fragment sited in Ensisheim (by all means the main mass) is well 53.831, as officially re-weighed in 2002. The other often mentioned figures (about 55 kg or alike) are not correct. My best, Zelimir At 23:44 25/01/2010, ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi Dan, I have chased up the original sources of the casts and they are no longer available...unless of course someone on the list knows different...I have been after one for years. Graham Daniel H. Fronefield dfron...@hiwaay.net wrote: So, does anyone still carry these Middlesborough meteorite casts for sale? Is the 3D scan made by ESA/NASA available to the general public? If so, a reasonable replica could be produced by various methods. Just thinking ... I'd love to have replica for my display too. Dan Prof. Zelimir Gabelica Université de Haute Alsace ENSCMu, Lab. GSEC, 3, Rue A. Werner, F-68093 Mulhouse Cedex, France Tel: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 94 Fax: +33 (0)3 89 33 68 15 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION
List: Isn't that the way auctions are supposed to be; some items sell for a low price and some high. It just depends on the mood of the bidders. I watched the webcast myself and really enjoyed it (thanks Rubin), and I can say... I wish I was there during the bidding of some items, as they sold for low prices - oh well maybe next year. I think the slow recovery in the economy is a factor, also there were a few really nice (supreme) specimens which drew a lot of attention, thus allowing other items to sell for less. I have only been collecting meteorites for about five years now, but have noticed that certain types of meteorites gain popularity quickly resulting in high prices… that’s part of the fun, I guess. One thing surprised me though – I was expecting to see a Mifflin in the auction. Would have been interesting to how much it sold for. Greg S. Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 11:13:37 -0800 From: iceda...@swbell.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION As both Adam and Matt have commented, the prices were all over the place. Some went WAY below what I had expected; a few went for more; a couple went VERY high. A couple of the absentee bidders had deep pockets so some bids went high that way. If I hadn't already been broke from earlier show purchases, I would definitely have been bidding on several of the items. As Michael Blood commented on some, they were a real steal. I think that the no reserve on most of the items kept the price down since we could start the bidding at what would be rediculously low prices. There was no reason to start up in a more reasonable (to the seller) range. Don __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Stuff! Back to Tucson Sale!
Let's get this moving... Heading to Tucson! Show's ending in a few days. Bulk Discounts on the 13 kilos of good quality UNWA Below... 13 - 1 Kilo LOTS UNWA Meteorites from $150-$199/kg http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2079008id=1219094173l=5ca0c59adf 1 Kilo = $150-$199/kg 2+ Kilos Get 10% Off 3 Kilos Get 15% Off 5 Kilos Get 20% Off 7 Kilos Get 25% Off 10+ kilos Get 30% Off TAKE ALL 13 Kilos = $1200 Shipped (USA) Also Available: 7.6kg Lot of UNWA Meteorites - CHEAP! - .05/g or Take All for $325 Shipped in the USA http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325807l=6794e15869id=1219094173 Email or call 760-522-2152 to order... Regards, Eric On 2/7/2011 7:43 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: 14.4g Meteorite - Huge Chondrule? - You just have to see this one: Comments on this piece welcome. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325808l=34fa59a79aid=1219094173 STILL ADDING SPECIMENS: Email me for photos because I'm still photographing some more rare types o be listed later tonight. I'm heading back out to Tucson for a 3rd time this week. To do that I'm raising funds... Taking BEST private offers on bulk purchases. Larger orders get priority picks, and lower pricing! Cash deals welcome. Orders over $1000 MUST be by Bank transfer (No Paypal due to fees) --- ORDER $100 or more get FREE Shipping in the USA Email or call 760-522-2152 to order. 13 - 1 Kilo LOTS UNWA Meteorites from $150-$199/kg http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2079008id=1219094173l=5ca0c59adf --- Very high iron meteorite: A nice pair of half cuts, of a spectacular iron rich BLACK stone meteorite. Taking reasonable/serious offers. Interior (Left: 56.8g) (Right 48.8g) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078485id=1219094173l=62e307c236 --- TAKING OFFERS: 451.2g Thumbprinted Beauty (Very Low Iron) Superb meteorite specimen. 916g BLACK Chondrite. Light colored exterior. Interior matrix is actually BLACK after polishing. It's full of large bits of free iron. Large inclusions, and iron veining. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078092id=1219094173l=40820dcc8e --- CHERRY STONES: Hand Picked Fusion Crusted Thumbprinted Individuals (still some available) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078096id=1219094173l=82c45cd73a Price for Individuals = $1.10/g 250-499 grams = .74/g 500-999 grams = .64/g 1000+ grams (kilo) = .55/g --- 7.6kg Lot of UNWA Meteorites - CHEAP! - .05/g http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325807l=6794e15869id=1219094173 --- Ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html --- Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question of Iridium in LDG?
Hello All, I bought a small piece of darkish green Libyan Desert Glass from a seller in Tucson. He told me it was dark green from iridium. I had thought the difference in color was from iron. My memory has been really terrible lately so I don't doubt the seller at all. I know this man has forgotten more about meteorites than I will ever know. I think this subject has been covered in the past but can't remember when. Can someone direct me to some links on iridium/iron in LDG so I can learn more? Thanks! Carl2 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
There has to be a consistent balance in order to keep an established auction from withering away. The only way to maintain balance is by following prescribed protocols to the letter. Anyone that sells at auction regularly, knows you have to take a few lumps once in a while but no matter how well heeled consigners may be, they will eventually drift away if decent prices aren't realized. A relaxed atmosphere is fine but there should be a certain amount of electricity in the air when the bidding starts. In the end it's all about the bottom line. An auction has to be beyond reproach to attract and hold top consigners/buyers. It's a delicate relationship based on trust, confidence and integrity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Public Smearing of Someones Name
Hello List - This is silly!! I stopped receiving the METlist several months ago because all I ever saw on here was name calling, name smearing and other assorted childish nonsense. Just think of it, I had people chastizing me for talking off topic about the Moon.at least that's in orbit and bits of it do fall at times. I think it truly becomes a slippery slope once we try to reign in someone by airing personal business for all to see while placing it in a context that attempts to harm character. Sure, the information regarding the auction service is public, but when brought to everyone's attention in this manner, it is only done for one purpose. I find it very funny that the obviously leftist rag tried to tie a connection to a Tea-Party official..no bias going on with any of that reporting I recently started getting the METlist back in batch form.I'm questioning my doing of that now as I drone through page after page of off topic banter that seems only to end up destructive and stressing. I don't personally know Mr. Deiro or Michael Blood. What I do know about both of these people is that they are respected and kind. I doubt either person has done anything that merits this much crap being said. All was well and good up to the point that someone attempted to smear someone's reputation. This type of activity has no place here as far as I am concerned. I hope someone can get us back on topicI'll even take a lame discussion of tektites at this point. Warren Sansoucie IMCA 3174 METsoc St. Louis MO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Question of Iridium in LDG?
Hello All, Carl2, you memory serves you right! The color of LDG is affected by: 1) its very high silica content (almost pure silica: 98%). A decreasing silica content correlates with a gradual change of color from yellow over green towards brown. and, ... this has to do with no. 2: 2) the total iron content and by the Fe(II)/Fe(III) ratio. Best wishes, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Man Made Meteorite
I found this interesting http://cgi.ebay.com/Salyut-7-Electronic-components-Man-made-meteorite-/110644588237?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item19c2ee6ecd Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Utrecht Super rare Dutch meteorite slice and more
Listoids, Taking offers (no trades, sorry) on next items... Super rare 1.12 gr. slice (part. crust) of one of only four Dutch meteorites Utrecht. The Utrecht was a witnessed fall (June 2, 1843) with only 9,7 kg. tkw. Super thin cut slice. Aprox 28 mm by 23 at widest points. Two seperate smaller pieces but fit perfectly to the large slice. A Karl Moritz provenance. This stuff is harder to get than Lunars or Mars. Very rarely offered. Taking serious offers. Hoba, shale (cut) fragment with number M190.3 painted on surface.13,1 grams. Carnegie. Lot of 4 slices (7,7gr. - 6.6gr. - 2.7gr. - 1.8 gr.) Chondrite L6 Found 1963, Caddo Co., Oklahoma. Tenham, Chondrite L6 Queensland, Australia. Fall from 1879. Full slice with fresh crust all around. 36 grams. Bjurbole, L/LL4 Chondrite Witnessed fall from Finland. (March 12, 1899) Fragment 28,2 grams. Loaded with chondrules, some almost popping out!! La Criolla, L6 Chondrite. Part. slice with fusion crust, 10.5 gr. Fell January 6, 1985. Argentina. Dalgety Downs, L4 Chondrite. Found 1923. Western Australia. Fragment 50,7 grams Offers and pictures off list pls. Best, Jan IMCA #9833 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Public Smearing of Someones Name
Warren, posts of your nature are levity and needed sometimes to remind us of our passion here! (I'd love to read your moon comments.) I weed throught the riff-raff banter and wonder why all the in-fighting sometimes, but in general I'm pleased to have the chance to read the truely high-end perspectives and many times cutting-edge scientifically based and proven commentary on things meteoritic. Richard Montgomery From: Warren Sansoucie warren3...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2011 2:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Public Smearing of Someones Name Hello List - This is silly!! I stopped receiving the METlist several months ago because all I ever saw on here was name calling, name smearing and other assorted childish nonsense. Just think of it, I had people chastizing me for talking off topic about the Moon.at least that's in orbit and bits of it do fall at times. I think it truly becomes a slippery slope once we try to reign in someone by airing personal business for all to see while placing it in a context that attempts to harm character. Sure, the information regarding the auction service is public, but when brought to everyone's attention in this manner, it is only done for one purpose. I find it very funny that the obviously leftist rag tried to tie a connection to a Tea-Party official..no bias going on with any of that reporting I recently started getting the METlist back in batch form.I'm questioning my doing of that now as I drone through page after page of off topic banter that seems only to end up destructive and stressing. I don't personally know Mr. Deiro or Michael Blood. What I do know about both of these people is that they are respected and kind. I doubt either person has done anything that merits this much crap being said. All was well and good up to the point that someone attempted to smear someone's reputation. This type of activity has no place here as far as I am concerned. I hope someone can get us back on topicI'll even take a lame discussion of tektites at this point. Warren Sansoucie IMCA 3174 METsoc St. Louis MO __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER?
I agree with these statements. Next year, I will be a buyer instead of a consignor. It takes a lot of work putting these items together and it reduces the fun by taking a shellacking. I do not mind breaking even or taking a slight lose but I am in no need of more write-offs. I think it would be more fun bidding than selling so I will give buying a shot next time. I did not walk away empty handed. I actually found two pieces of Gold Basin in my cake. This is the first time I ever scored. Of course, I gave one of them away. I also got to socialize with a lot of great people so all was not a loss. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message From: bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, February 8, 2011 12:16:01 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER? There has to be a consistent balance in order to keep an established auction from withering away. The only way to maintain balance is by following prescribed protocols to the letter. Anyone that sells at auction regularly, knows you have to take a few lumps once in a while but no matter how well heeled consigners may be, they will eventually drift away if decent prices aren't realized. A relaxed atmosphere is fine but there should be a certain amount of electricity in the air when the bidding starts. In the end it's all about the bottom line. An auction has to be beyond reproach to attract and hold top consigners/buyers. It's a delicate relationship based on trust, confidence and integrity. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] TUCSON AUCTION ETIQUETTE/ AN APOLOGY IN ORDER??
In spite of the kerfuffles and sometimes egregious abrogations of the etiquette of auctioneering decorum, this was still by far and away, the most awesome meteorite auction I have ever vicariously (virtually) attended. Anyone with the means to drop a few thou could have built an awe-inspiring collection from just this one auction, not to mention the profits that could be realized on eBay. If anyone knows of a better meteorite auction anywhere in the world with better deals, let me know! -- I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize (SW) - Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Hammer stones
Hi My name is Derek Yoost and I just rejoined the Meteorite List. Is there a master list of all the hammer stones? I'm updating my list and I included a column for the hammer stones. Thanks for your time, Derek. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer stones
I don't know about a master list Derek, but you can check on Michael Blood's site for a list of Hammer stones: Hammers 1790-1954: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers1.html Hammers 1959-2010: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Hammers2.html gary On Feb 8, 2011, at 4:37 PM, Derek Yoost wrote: Hi My name is Derek Yoost and I just rejoined the Meteorite List. Is there a master list of all the hammer stones? I'm updating my list and I included a column for the hammer stones. Thanks for your time, Derek. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere
Hello Everyone, I feel like an idiot. I know that trapped atmospheric gases have been found in some martian meteorites but for some unexplained reason, I had always thought that the gases had been incorporated in the rock at the time of formation. I always wondered how gases from the martian atmosphere could have been trapped in a rock at the time it formed, particularly an igneous rock in an underground magma chamber. Well, thanks to William Cassidy, the man who founded ANSMET, I now realize my assumption was wrong. Cassidy makes it clear that gasses became trapped in martian rocks at the time of the impact which launched the rock from the surface. The rather lengthy quote below is from Cassidy's book Meteorites, Ice and Antarctica an excellent book (see more after the quote). From pages 119-121 EETA 79001 was an important find for another reason. It contained proof that SNC meteorites come from Mars. This meteorite had been highly shocked during the impact that ejected it from the martian surface, and one of the shock effects was to produce pods of glass that had been melted from the constituent minerals of the meteorite by the transient heating generated by shock pressures. The melts that were formed were partly injected along cracks in the rock and partly retained as molten beads at the sites where they formed. Cooling occurred immediately behind the shock wave and the beads were chilled to glass before they could crystalize. Apparently the crater forming asteroid had built up a lense off compressed atmosphere in front of it during it's lengthy trajectory toward the surface of the planet. When it struck the surface it injected highly compressed air into the target rock, and some of this was trapped in the shock-melted inclusions. We know the composition of the martian atmosphere from measurements made by Viking Landers I and II. When some of the glass inclusions were picked out of EETA 79001 and remelted, the gave up their dissolved gases. These gasses when analyzed and corrected for slight terrestrial contamination, contained nitrogen and carbon dioxide in the same abundances as the atmosphere of Mars; they also had isotopes of argon, neon, , krypton, and xenon in the same abundances as does the martian atmosphere. This neat bit of detective work by a number of workers, for the first time tied a SNC meteorite directly to the planet Mars and, through this meteorite, to all the other meteorites. I love Cassidy's book. If you like meteorites in general, martian and lunar meteorites (like me) and are curious about the ANSMET program and you don't have a copy of this book, you are really missing out. The book is a gold mine of information regarding ANSMET. It is very readable, technical in some places, humorous in others and poignant in others. Some books I love holding and reading and this is one of those books. It is hardbound with glossy pages and nicely illustrated. I like the physical proportion of the book and I even like the dust jacket (I usually abhor dust jackets). Anyway, many thanks to Dr. Cassidy for clearing that up with me and thanks for writing such a wonderful book. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer stones
Try here: references are listed. http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/icq/meteorites.html Chris (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer stones
Hi Chris and List, Reading through the falls listed on your linked site reminded me of the excitement this List had for the Carancas fall in 2007. Does that crater still exist? It seemed predictable at that time that the crater would quickly vanish from erosion, become a cattle watering hole, or the town's new cesspool. Cheers, Pete From: cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2011 19:50:27 -0800 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer stones Try here: references are listed. http://www.cfa.harvard.edu/icq/meteorites.html Chris (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-Ivuna
I have a 0.3g frag for 1000 usd. First come first served! Matt Morgan Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Renewed
Great exposure for our passion! Today 4.3 million viewers, tomorrow ze vorld! http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031777?categoryid=14cs=1cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031777?categoryid=14cs=1cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews Science Channel renews 'Meteorite Men' Series to return for third season By Stuart Miller 'Big Love' says goodbye Exclusive: Science Channel has ordered a third season of Meteorite Men. Produced by the LMNO Cable Group, skein follows co-hosts Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold as the search for outer space objects -- some more than 40 million years old -- that have landed on Earth. Eric Schotz is exec producer. Discovery-owned Science Channel is faring well with An Idiot Abroad, its new skein with Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington. Through two episodes, Idiot -- where Pilkington offers his off-kilter take on the Seven Wonders of the World -- is the net's most-watched series ever in the 25-54 demo and highest rated in 18-49. Since its Jan. 22 premiere, 4.3 million viewers have tuned in. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Renewed
Congrats Steve and Geoff on Season 3 of Meteorite men! Regards, Eric On 2/8/2011 8:53 PM, Pete Pete wrote: Great exposure for our passion! Today 4.3 million viewers, tomorrow ze vorld! http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031777?categoryid=14cs=1cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031777?categoryid=14cs=1cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews Science Channel renews 'Meteorite Men' Series to return for third season By Stuart Miller 'Big Love' says goodbye Exclusive: Science Channel has ordered a third season of Meteorite Men. Produced by the LMNO Cable Group, skein follows co-hosts Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold as the search for outer space objects -- some more than 40 million years old -- that have landed on Earth. Eric Schotz is exec producer. Discovery-owned Science Channel is faring well with An Idiot Abroad, its new skein with Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington. Through two episodes, Idiot -- where Pilkington offers his off-kilter take on the Seven Wonders of the World -- is the net's most-watched series ever in the 25-54 demo and highest rated in 18-49. Since its Jan. 22 premiere, 4.3 million viewers have tuned in. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Blood Auction Hammer Prices
Could anyone with a complete list of hammer prices from Saturdays auction please contact me off-list? I just want to check on a few items. Would appreciate it greatly. Thanx. Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
