Re: [meteorite-list] The Sky Calls To Us/The Wonder of Meteorites
special thanks to Jeff Kuyken for creating The Wonder of Meteorites video. A beautiful compilation, and the best meteorite video I've ever had the pleasure of watching I'll second that, Eric. Jeff really set the bar high with that glorious video! Linton - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 12:14 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sky Calls To Us A Glorious Dawn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day, venture to the stars. If you wish to make an apple pie, you must first invent the universe. The brain has it's own language for testing the structure and consistency of the world. How lucky we are to live in this time, the first moment in human history when we are, in fact, visiting other worlds. A still more glorious dawn awaits, not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise, a morning filled with 400 billion suns. The rising of the Milky Way. The surface from the Earth, is the shore of the cosmic ocean. Recently we've waded a little way out and the water seems inviting. The sky calls to us. – Carl Sagan The Wonder of Meteorites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5oknQjqQuw Enjoy... Regards, Eric P.S. Thanks go out to Darren Garrison for the original post to list (a long while back) introducing list members to the Symphony of Science video with Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking titled A Glorious Dawn without which I may not have found these wonderful series of videos. And special thanks to Jeff Kuyken for creating The Wonder of Meteorites video. A beautiful compilation, and the best meteorite video I've ever had the pleasure of watching If you liked the Symphony of Science videos you can check it out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/melodysheep Latest Video: Bang Goes the Theory The more questions you answer, the more you find there is to investigate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblqcRvN7-Y That's the beauty of Science. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets
Ahh, well...there you go... Thanks for the clarification guys. -Walter - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Larry is right (who could doubt it?). I got it backward. Charon would have to move closer to Pluto to get their barycenter inside Pluto. Presently, their center-to-center distance is 19,600 km. If you pushed'em to only 10,650 km apart, the barycenter would be at Pluto's surface. The two planetary surfaces would then be only 8900 km apart! (They're 17,850 km apart now.) Then, they'd have to be even closer for the barycenter to be inside Pluto. That would be quite a view! Either way. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; fallingfus...@wi.rr.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Hi Sterling: I don't like to disagree with you (YES!), but I wonder if you have ever been on a seesaw. If you move Charon away from Pluto, the center of mass moves away from Pluto, not toward it, you have a longer lever arm. You actually get it right when you talk about the Moon later on! Moving the Moon 50% farther away puts the barycenter outside the Earth. Larry Hi, Walter, List, The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... You're not wrong, Walter. What would have made Pluto-Charon a true double planet system under those original IAU definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, dancing around a point in space between them. If Charon was much smaller or much further away from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the eccentricity and tilted, of course. All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are nicely accumulated in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun and all planetary bodies taken together passes through the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=ensugexp=ldymlsxhr=tq=barycenter+josefp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we would meet the definition of double planet. OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be that far away, so relax... We'll get there. Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. It's like watching drunken mice waltz... Sterling K. Webb -- Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. -- - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term Planetary Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quote me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term
[meteorite-list] Arizona Fireball 7:45pm local 18MAR2011
Dear List, There was an Arizona fireball event tonight 18MAR. Unknown if it was space trash or not, mighty slow. http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.com/2011/03/arizona-meteor-fireball-18mar2011.html Best Always, Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
A successful round-about mission around Mercury by NASA would 'hopefully' PROVE a few of our bucks is worth the 'Investment'!!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:26 AM To: Meteorite List ; Sterling K. Webb Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Meteorite Sale, many beauty pieces
Dear List Members, I have a few really good meteorites for sale (trades are available also) : - Ureilite NWA 6069 1828 gram Main Mass. Truly big primitive achondrite contain diamonds. Small shock stage with many diamonds makes this ureilite very interesting. https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Ureilite1877Grams?authkey=Gv1sRgCLndqeX1z6OvswE# - two pieces of NWA 2690 - 336 and 337 gram (both with cut window). https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA2690336grams# and https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA2690405g?authkey=Gv1sRgCM_atuimm-CdOQ# (this one still have fragmental glossy crust) - NWA 2696, 688 gram of Howardite. Cool, big specimen: https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA2696Howardite687G?authkey=Gv1sRgCIDSvfzj-MjbNA# - monster sized chondrite NWA 6411, L5, W1, S3, it is puzzle rock, about 80% of fragments, few are missed. Biggest frengmet with weight 18 kg have best regmaglipts I have ever seend on chondrite. Check photos. https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA641118kg# - great looking, fresh NWA 6413 3.2kg Main Mass LL6. about 60% of crust, one side have great flow lines on crust surface. https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA641332KgLL6# - amazing half specimen of Ghubara 1734 gram one, with in situ photo, look at amazing texture (zoom to see details) : https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Ghubara1734g?authkey=Gv1sRgCJiI8eHg_4ec3AE# - Gao Guenie, beauty individual 756 gram, with regmaglipts few flow lines and strange inclusion (visible on second photo). https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/Gao756g?authkey=Gv1sRgCJj1tJS__P3y0QE# - big sized chondrite breccia NWA, 9.8 kg, huge solid and fresh inside chondrite (breccia). https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA98Kg# - beauty crusted, regmaglipted chondrite NWA 1.8 kg https://picasaweb.google.com/illaenus/NWA18Kg# All question please send to my address illae...@gmail.com Thanks for looking. Kind Regards Tomasz Jakubowski IMCA #2321 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD-EBAY-Imilac 38.6g and Sikhote-Alin 122g ending this afternoon!!
Hey everyone, I got two beautiful meteorites finishing this afternoon starting at 18:00 PDT. The Imilac 38.6g part slice is a wonderful spceimen starting at a bargain price. The colors of the olivine are amazing!! The photos do not make justice for the real beauty of this piece. The direct link is http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130497493714ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_754wt_126 The Sikhote-Alin 122g is simply stunning. It has excellent regmaglypts and well defined flow-lines. A very high quality specimen from the Jim Strope collection. Sikhote-Alin pieces like this are getting harder to come by. Here is the direct link: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=130497494814ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT#ht_500wt_922 Go take a look! Hope everyone has a great Sunday. Felipe -- Felipe __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Nice summation, Sterling. I look forward to your posts and always come away with something fresh to think about. It's three o'clock in the morning here and I'm plagued with situational anxiety ... That's where one would rather be awake than asleep out of fear you'll miss something. It's also during these sleepless times that the more provocative questions arise. Your itemization of our off world precolonization work raises the question that we just might be the very alien life form that we apend so much time looking for. As the cartoon character said We has metn the enemy and it is us. I propose we are the dominate life form, not only in this solar system, but perhaps the galaxy and that we arrived on this planet through panspermia and are now proceeding to exploit our surroundings. I have no doubt that we are, shall we say, genetically predisposed to do this and we retain a programmed cellular memory that relentlessly advances our evolution and constantly directs us. This is certainly not an original hypothesis, but I think timely in light of your summations. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 18, 2011 10:19 PM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System As of today, we have a robot explorer in orbit around Mercury with a year's rent paid up (and hopefully the lease will be renewed if it does good). We also have a presence in orbit at the planet Venus, working there since 2006, and mappers clicking away in our own backyard, at the Moon. Mars is crawled with rovers, orbited by imagers, and being mapped to a sharper resolution that we have charted our own planet, and more of our machines are readying to join them. Out at Saturn, Cassini, a plutonium-powered robot will carry on its long investigation of that entire miniature solar system out there. And Spring is starting on Titan! We have been poking our noses into comets this year, after smacking them to see what happens, and snatching pieces and bringing them home. This summer, another of our robots will visit a large asteroid (No. 4) for the first time. In a year or so it will move on to the largest asteroid, while the most ambitious of long-haul robots dashes toward Pluto. We will be at Ceres when it gets to Pluto... and Cassini will still be working Saturn. There are only three planets we're not already at nor going to. We are all over the place. Does this qualify for a Golden Age? (The first one being the Voyager Grand Tour.) If the Aliens are watching, they probably have the Sol System in their books as one that already has a dominant species, have written it off for colonization, and are getting ready to move on. No, the Aliens are not the problem. I worry instead about the Wise Men of the Potomac who want to beach the fleet and burn it on the shore in order to save the Republic from the perils of exploration. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Let the data and knowledge speak for itself. Voyager I II Apollo Missions Space Shuttle Missions Hubble (without which many of these missions would not have been possible or even considered) Spitzer StarDust Dawn EPOXI WISE Spirit Opportunity Curiosity (coming soon to a planet near you) Messenger Hyabusa (not ours, but worth doing) Kepler (perhaps the most important) And many many more successful missions. What else do they want? Come on... The government dropped $700+ Billion on the banks and auto manufacturers... Why can't they spare $100 Billion for the advancement and preservation of the human species? What the advancement of the space program (which has a direct influence on the advancement and survival of the human species) has achieved both intrinsically, and scientifically is immeasurable in dollars. Knowledge is priceless. It's also the most precious and valuable thing in the universe, we should cherish it, where it came from, and how we gained it. More advanced technology, more businesses, more scientists, and more money has been pumped into the economy than can be accurately measured since the beginning of the space program. A student today, who watches the Moon landing on video for the first time may be motivated to study astronomy, or become an astronaut themselves. They may join the military, become a pilot, and perhaps fly a real space craft. Humans are curious. We want to know. It's in our nature, it's what makes us human. Would there be as many people interested in science if NASA had never so much as launched a rocket? Would there be as many astronomers and scientific discoveries if Hubble never existed? The Hubble Deep Field is a perfect example. 1,500 galaxies discovered. Then as if that weren't good enough, another photo was taken, this time deeper into the blackness of space. The Hubble Ultra Deep Field. One photograph 10,000 galaxies in a section of space equal to only 1/1270th of the total area of sky. If the whole sky was photographed and the same data holds true throughout, that's 127 Billion galaxies in the visible/observable universe. And that's not to say there's not more, considering that's at the limits of current technological possibility. If we could see further, would we see more galaxies? Yeah, I'd say that's a safe bet. The economical effects may not be measurable. What is the effects of the money that's injected back into the economy by those entrepreneurs that were inspired to start a new business or create a new technology based on what they learned through the space program? If we never had the space program would we have the technological advancement we have today? Would there be as many scientists advancing human knowledge at an ever growing exponential rate? Regards, Eric On 3/19/2011 12:47 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: A successful round-about mission around Mercury by NASA would 'hopefully' PROVE a few of our bucks is worth the 'Investment'!!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:26 AM To: Meteorite List ; Sterling K. Webb Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
I fully agree with you, Richard and Sterling. It is definitely a Golden Age we live in, which is even more exciting than any period of space exploration before. Just think about all we have learned in the last ten years...how much our horizons have widened... To me it is incomprehensible how anyone can seriously want to put these remarkable missions, triumphs of human ingenuity, and future ones in danger. It can only be based on lack of information, ignorance or wrong priorities. Just think about the (future) triumphs of Messenger, New Horizons, Dawn, Cassini, the Mars rovers etc. ... Next to this have a look at the ever increasing US federal military budget: $ 685.100.000.000 !! in 2010 (by far the largest military budget in the world) http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/5/55/U.S._Defense_Spending_Trends.png Can you even imagine this amount of money? 1 in 5 dollars of the US Federal spending is only for this. Next to this the NASA budget has decreased (in % of Fed budget) almost continously between 1991 and 2008. In 2010 it was $ 18.724 billion. That is a mere 0,5 % of the Federal budget in 2010. I believe we can do without new weapons and new wars but we can't do without dreams and experiences which stimulate the BEST in us: our curiosity and even philosophical thoughts about what we are and where we are. Weapons are invented and produced to kill. It is as simple as that. How creative is that? Does this stimulate the best in us as a species? You are right, Richard. The space missions must to be talked about more than before because they have an incredible potential to stimulate the dreams of millions of people in the world. Talk to your grandchildren and children (the decision makers of the future) about the missions and show them the breathtaking images of the planets and moons. I believe no one can remain disinterested when being faced with the beathtaking beauty they reveal. Go to schools and tell the students for example about meteorites and where they come from. Richard is right, talk to your local politicians and representatives and stimulate their interest and their fascination. Maybe no one has ever done this ... Lamenting about what is going on does not change anything. Be active, talk to people and share the passion and awe that you feel. Be passionate and people will listen...and hopefully change. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Gesendet: 19.03.2011 08:26:13 An: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Your Strong Presence in the Solar System
Hello all, and one thing you should not forget, so surprisingly it may sound for the one or the other: You all here on the list are actively taking part in and grandly supporting the exploration of our Solar System, either in hunting samples of the celestial bodies of our Solar System or enabling with your purchases of your collection specimens the work of the prominent and of the anonymous hunters. You're building up the backbone of earthbound planetology - and that more than ever. Your enthusiasm for the rocks of space and your hand-tight money spent grant that all these samples and materials are and steadily become available for science. Those samples, which mankind with its technical and financial means cannot retrieve else and which allow a more profound, much broader and detailed research on the history and compositions of the bodies of the Solar System than remote sensoring with space probes and in situ work with landers and rovers allow. Let's all hope, that this awareness wins recognition also in those countries, which are about or already have abandoned that most low-cost, but in the same place extremely efficient form of planetary research and exploration of the Solar system in taking away the legal preconditions necessary that those materials can be found at all. Let us take the opportunity to portend the next set of brand-new abstracts with new data and results about our recent Martian meteorites; Stones, which never could have been found without the help of the collectors, the tireless dedication of the anonymous hunters in Sahara and the support of the scientists. To all of you we and science owe deepest respect. Introducing abstract for NWA 6162: S. M.Kuehner, A. J. Irving, C. D. K. Herd, M. Gellissen, T. J. Lapen and D. Rumble, III: PRISTINE OLIVINE-PHYRIC SHERGOTTITE NORTHWEST AFRICA 6162: A PRIMITIVE MAGMA WITH ACCUMULATED CRYSTALS DERIVED FROM DEPLETED MARTIAN MANTLE. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/pdf/1610.pdf Dating and formation of the depleted permafic diabase NWA 5990: C.-Y. Shih, L. E. Nyquist, Y. Reese, and A. J. Irving: Rb-Sr AND Sm-Nd AGES, AND PETROGENESIS OF DEPLETED SHERGOTTITE NORTHWEST AFRICA 5990. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/pdf/1846.pdf New data for cosmic and terrestrial ages for eight Martian meteorites, among them NWA 4925 and NWA 5789: K. Nishiizumi, K. Nagao, M. W. Caffee, A. J. T. Jull, and A. J. Irving: COSMIC-RAY EXPOSURE CHRONOLOGIES OF DEPLETED OLIVINE-PHYRIC SHERGOTTITES. http://www.lpi.usra.edu/meetings/lpsc2011/pdf/2371.pdf Let the voyage go on! Have all a fine weekend. Martin Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011
Man, I really like spheres! Awesome Jim! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 6:36 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_19_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] RE Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Great news for you Steve Arnold... Now if we could just get a smile back on the landowners face somehow... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Site update and auctions
Dear List, I have some nice 99 cent auctions ending tomorrow. Bruderheim, Taza, Buzzard, Martian, Valle de Allende, El Perdido, Chergach, Powellsville, Glatton, and a GORGEOUS small unclassified stone: http://shop.ebay.com/historic-meteorites/m.html Also, I have finished updated the sales page on my site with many specimens: http://historicmeteorites.com/HistoricMeteorites/Sales.html Thanks for looking and have a great weekend! --- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - NEW MARTIAN Nakhlite NWA 5790 - MIGHEI (CM2) LAST ONE!
Hello all I have some auctions ending on EBAY tomorrow afternoon/evening (Sunday at around 2.20 pm PST / 5.20 pm EST / 22.20 GMT/ 23.20 CET). For sale are affordable small fragments of some very rare and scientifically important meteorites: - New MARTIAN Nakhlite - NWA 5790 (almost out) - MIGHEI CM 2(very rare historic fall (1889) , LAST ONE !) Have a look if you like. [http://shop.ebay.com/karmaka/m.html] NEW! Nakhlite - NWA 5790 - EXTREMELY rare MARTIAN Meteorite - virtually impossible to get - ALMOST OUT ! http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-MARTIAN-Nakhlite-NWA-5790-EXTREMELY-rare-Meteorite-/320671731135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa9864dbf MIGHEI (CM2) - VERY RARE Historic Fall 1889 - Meteorite -- TYPE SPECIMEN of the CM carbonaceous chondrites !!! http://cgi.ebay.com/MIGHEI-CM2-VERY-RARE-Historic-Fall-1889-Meteorite-/320672613822?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4aa993c5be Thank you ! Have a nice weekend! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011
Nice pallasitic cueball. It would be neat to see a set of billiard balls made from various meteorites. :) -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/19/11, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Man, I really like spheres! Awesome Jim! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 6:36 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_19_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] RE Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Agreed, Mike. It's a pyrrhic victory because Steve endured negative publicity, and some landowners now have a bad taste in their mouth about meteorite hunters. It was unfortunate from every angle. But at least now it's over. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/19/11, MIke Antonelli mfranci...@verizon.net wrote: Great news for you Steve Arnold... Now if we could just get a smile back on the landowners face somehow... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011
Mike, Thank you for the awesome visual--16 spheres in a presentation case--all weighing 700gms, sizes would vary, of course. The price would too but what a fantasy gift. John IMCA# 1896 - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone and Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19,2011 Nice pallasitic cueball. It would be neat to see a set of billiard balls made from various meteorites. :) -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/19/11, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Man, I really like spheres! Awesome Jim! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org wrote: From: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org Subject: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 19, 2011 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 6:36 AM http://www.rocksfromspace.org/March_19_2011.html --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ENSISHEIM, Tabor, Peekskill, Seres, SYLACAUGA, St. Louis, 2008TC3, L'Aigle, Wold Cottage, Siena, Barwell , Weston, Bonita Springs and more ending on eBay!
Hello Listers, Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions email me and ill get back you or if your looking for bigger/smaller I might be able to help to, just ask :) Thank you Best of the Best http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html eBay Acutions: Ensisheim, Sylacauga, Orgueil meteorite KIT, rare items http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789040828ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 seen from space rare! *FUSION CRUST* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789511274ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT BARWELL meteorite Christmas meteorite fall/shower. *Largest meteorite UK* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752959379ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT BONITA SPRINGS found amoung skeletons in 1938 in FL USA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789503828ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TABOR meteorite from 1753 Czech Republic- RARE! *Historic Fall* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752931108ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT SIENA meteorite 1794 historic fall from Italy VERY RARE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752922480ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT L'AIGLE Historic meteorite from France, 1803 vary rare http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789035574ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT NEW CONCORD meteorite 1860-Horse killer-ASU collection! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789495217ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT with nanodiamomds,rare! *MUST SEE* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260754500727ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT WOLD COTTAGE rare meteorite 1795-1st classified from UK * Great meteorite* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789047432ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT PEEKSKILL meteorite HAMMER STONE car smasher 1992 NY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789028623ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT SERES meteorite 1818 1st and only meteorite from Greece http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752920109ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite 1st fireball photo path in USA RARE * Great Fall * http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789513577ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT WESTON - 1st USA meteorite, fell in 1807- RARE! *Changed meteoritic science in the New World* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260753454706ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ST. LOUIS meteorite *vary rare* hit a moving car-1950. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752928396ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT FISHER 1894 historic meteorite 1st fall from Minnesota. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789516891ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ABEE meteorite-ONLY know EH4 impact-melt breccia rare. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260753427865ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! *Alien Life?* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250790454458ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: ENSISHEIM, Tabor, Peekskill, Seres, SYLACAUGA, St. Louis, 2008TC3, L'Aigle, Wold Cottage, Siena, Barwell , Weston, Bonita Springs and more ending on eBay!
Hello Listers, Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions email me and ill get back you or if your looking for bigger/smaller I might be able to help to, just ask :) Thank you Best of the Best http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html eBay Acutions: Ensisheim, Sylacauga, Orgueil meteorite KIT, rare items http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789040828ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ALMAHATA SITTA meteorite 2008TC3 seen from space rare! *FUSION CRUST* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789511274ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT BARWELL meteorite Christmas meteorite fall/shower. *Largest meteorite UK* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752959379ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT BONITA SPRINGS found amoung skeletons in 1938 in FL USA http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789503828ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TABOR meteorite from 1753 Czech Republic- RARE! *Historic Fall* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752931108ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT SIENA meteorite 1794 historic fall from Italy VERY RARE http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752922480ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT L'AIGLE Historic meteorite from France, 1803 vary rare http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789035574ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT NEW CONCORD meteorite 1860-Horse killer-ASU collection! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789495217ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT TAGISH LAKE meteorite 100mg LOT with nanodiamomds,rare! *MUST SEE* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260754500727ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT WOLD COTTAGE rare meteorite 1795-1st classified from UK * Great meteorite* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789047432ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT PEEKSKILL meteorite HAMMER STONE car smasher 1992 NY http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789028623ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT SERES meteorite 1818 1st and only meteorite from Greece http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752920109ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT LOST CITY meteorite 1st fireball photo path in USA RARE * Great Fall * http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789513577ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT WESTON - 1st USA meteorite, fell in 1807- RARE! *Changed meteoritic science in the New World* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260753454706ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ST. LOUIS meteorite *vary rare* hit a moving car-1950. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260752928396ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT FISHER 1894 historic meteorite 1st fall from Minnesota. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250789516891ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ABEE meteorite-ONLY know EH4 impact-melt breccia rare. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=260753427865ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT ORGUEIL meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! *Alien Life?* http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=250790454458ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT Thank you Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] oops
Hello Listers.. Sorry for the double post AD got to love yahoo email sometimes. Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBaystore http://shop.ebay.com/photophlow/m.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] e: RE Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
My apologies Qynn... I wasn't aware of all of the different issues... It just pains me to see dissatisfied landowners and the like, as I bend over backwards to please all of the folks who allow me to hunt on their land. Nothing personal, just hopeful and concerned that this all works out in a way that is best for the meteoritic community as a whole (hunters, collectors, and dealers alike). I can say that as a hunter, I have dealt with some negative reverberation over the last year or so from the actions of other hunters, so forgive me if I seem harsh. No ill will intended, just genuine concern. Sincerely, Mike __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] Odessa 759 grams and more....
Listoids, Taking offers (no trades, sorry) on next items... Odessa. Nice individual,759 grams. Hoba, shale (cut) fragment with Monnig number M190.3 painted on surface.13,1 grams. Carnegie. Lot of 4 slices (7,7gr. - 6.6gr. - 2.7gr. - 1.8 gr.) Chondrite L6 Found 1963, Caddo Co., Oklahoma. Tenham, Chondrite L6 Queensland, Australia. Fall from 1879. Full slice with fresh crust all around. 36 grams. Bjurbole, L/LL4 Chondrite Witnessed fall from Finland. (March 12, 1899) Fragment 28,2 grams. Loaded with chondrules, some almost popping out!! La Criolla, L6 Chondrite. Part. slice with fusion crust, 10.5 gr. Fell January 6, 1985. Argentina. Dalgety Downs, L4 Chondrite. Found 1923. Western Australia. Fragment 50,7 grams Offers and pictures off list pls. Best, Jan IMCA #9833 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD eBay auctions ending soon
Hello List - I have some auctions ending this afternoon and evening. Have a look if you like. http://stores.ebay.com/Resurrectio-Ad-Referendum?_rdc=1 Thanks ! Warren Sansoucie __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Wanted: Nininger's Find a Falling Star
Does anyone have a softcover copy of Nininger's Find a Falling Star for sale? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Count, I don't know what we'd do with our Sterling. He is our Dos equis man The most Interesting man on the list; and the world. Enjoy his link below; http://www.dosequisguy.com/ As stated in quote #5 He is the reason Aliens come to visit Earth. Thanks Sterling. Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Nice summation, Sterling. I look forward to your posts and always come away with something fresh to think about. It's three o'clock in the morning here and I'm plagued with situational anxiety ... That's where one would rather be awake than asleep out of fear you'll miss something. It's also during these sleepless times that the more provocative questions arise. Your itemization of our off world precolonization work raises the question that we just might be the very alien life form that we apend so much time looking for. As the cartoon character said We has metn the enemy and it is us. I propose we are the dominate life form, not only in this solar system, but perhaps the galaxy and that we arrived on this planet through panspermia and are now proceeding to exploit our surroundings. I have no doubt that we are, shall we say, genetically predisposed to do this and we retain a programmed cellular memory that relentlessly advances our evolution and constantly directs us. This is certainly not an original hypothesis, but I think timely in light of your summations. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Sent: Mar 18, 2011 10:19 PM To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System As of today, we have a robot explorer in orbit around Mercury with a year's rent paid up (and hopefully the lease will be renewed if it does good). We also have a presence in orbit at the planet Venus, working there since 2006, and mappers clicking away in our own backyard, at the Moon. Mars is crawled with rovers, orbited by imagers, and being mapped to a sharper resolution that we have charted our own planet, and more of our machines are readying to join them. Out at Saturn, Cassini, a plutonium-powered robot will carry on its long investigation of that entire miniature solar system out there. And Spring is starting on Titan! We have been poking our noses into comets this year, after smacking them to see what happens, and snatching pieces and bringing them home. This summer, another of our robots will visit a large asteroid (No. 4) for the first time. In a year or so it will move on to the largest asteroid, while the most ambitious of long-haul robots dashes toward Pluto. We will be at Ceres when it gets to Pluto... and Cassini will still be working Saturn. There are only three planets we're not already at nor going to. We are all over the place. Does this qualify for a Golden Age? (The first one being the Voyager Grand Tour.) If the Aliens are watching, they probably have the Sol System in their books as one that already has a dominant species, have written it off for colonization, and are getting ready to move on. No, the Aliens are not the problem. I worry instead about the Wise Men of the Potomac who want to beach the fleet and burn it on the shore in order to save the Republic from the perils of exploration. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Would there be as many people interested in science if NASA had never so much as launched a rocket? A very thought provoking question! Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 9:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System Let the data and knowledge speak for itself. Voyager I II Apollo Missions Space Shuttle Missions Hubble (without which many of these missions would not have been possible or even considered) Spitzer StarDust Dawn EPOXI WISE Spirit Opportunity Curiosity (coming soon to a planet near you) Messenger Hyabusa (not ours, but worth doing) Kepler (perhaps the most important) And many many more successful missions. What else do they want? Come on... The government dropped $700+ Billion on the banks and auto manufacturers... Why can't they spare $100 Billion for the advancement and preservation of the human species? What the advancement of the space program (which has a direct influence on the advancement and survival of the human species) has achieved both intrinsically, and scientifically is immeasurable in dollars. Knowledge is priceless. It's also the most precious and valuable thing in the universe, we should cherish it, where it came from, and how we gained it. More advanced technology, more businesses, more scientists, and more money has been pumped into the economy than can be accurately measured since the beginning of the space program. A student today, who watches the Moon landing on video for the first time may be motivated to study astronomy, or become an astronaut themselves. They may join the military, become a pilot, and perhaps fly a real space craft. Humans are curious. We want to know. It's in our nature, it's what makes us human. Would there be as many people interested in science if NASA had never so much as launched a rocket? Would there be as many astronomers and scientific discoveries if Hubble never existed? The Hubble Deep Field is a perfect example. 1,500 galaxies discovered. Then as if that weren't good enough, another photo was taken, this time deeper into the blackness of space. The Hubble Ultra Deep Field. One photograph 10,000 galaxies in a section of space equal to only 1/1270th of the total area of sky. If the whole sky was photographed and the same data holds true throughout, that's 127 Billion galaxies in the visible/observable universe. And that's not to say there's not more, considering that's at the limits of current technological possibility. If we could see further, would we see more galaxies? Yeah, I'd say that's a safe bet. The economical effects may not be measurable. What is the effects of the money that's injected back into the economy by those entrepreneurs that were inspired to start a new business or create a new technology based on what they learned through the space program? If we never had the space program would we have the technological advancement we have today? Would there be as many scientists advancing human knowledge at an ever growing exponential rate? Regards, Eric On 3/19/2011 12:47 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: A successful round-about mission around Mercury by NASA would 'hopefully' PROVE a few of our bucks is worth the 'Investment'!!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:26 AM To: Meteorite List ; Sterling K. Webb Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse
Good Evening List, I was doing some Spring cleaning, and stumbled upon the invoice and mail order receipt from my first meteorite purchase. 36 gram - Gibeon Iron Meteorite Slice, Robert A. Haag - Meteorites, dated July 14, 1997. Has it already been nearly fourteen years???.. I said to myself. Like many collectors, I had purchased my first, never realizing that it would only be the very beginning if an everlasting obsession. Through the years, I have only shared a glimpse of my collection with a few people. I think it's about time for a grand unveiling, a sneak peek into the Falling Fusion Meteorite Collection. Please enjoy at your leisure. All the best, Ryan Pawelski Part One - Select Aesthetic Individuals. http://community.webshots.com/album/579929447dYuoxs?vhost=communitystart=0 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentay Rocks: Where are they?
Hello Everyone, We all know that a long time ago, Mars had a lot of water. Rivers, streams lakes, ponds, oceans, etc. Every bit of evidence we have leads to this conclusion. Why are there no sedimenrary martian meteorites? They are all igneous. Did sedimentation occur in a period after large meteorites blasted rocks off the Martian surface (doubtful)? Are they extremly fragile and would not survive atmospheric entry (Doubtful)? Have they weathered away (don't know)? Any opinions? -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentay Rocks: Where are they?
Sorry. Meant to type sedimentary -Walter - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 12:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentay Rocks: Where are they? Hello Everyone, We all know that a long time ago, Mars had a lot of water. Rivers, streams lakes, ponds, oceans, etc. Every bit of evidence we have leads to this conclusion. Why are there no sedimenrary martian meteorites? They are all igneous. Did sedimentation occur in a period after large meteorites blasted rocks off the Martian surface (doubtful)? Are they extremly fragile and would not survive atmospheric entry (Doubtful)? Have they weathered away (don't know)? Any opinions? -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Info on Polishing Cut Stones? ( AD ++ )
Hello Chris Yes, there is alot of Scientific detail in Polishing a Cut Stone. Problem is , what type of stone ?? Sapphire, Quartz, Iolite, Tanzanite, etc.. All of these have different Hardnesses, Structural Properties, Alignment of Molecules, and a vast difference in the way they are handled, Cut and Polished... There are several Books written on techniques, alignment, preparation and special handling of many of these Gemstones.. Not Rocket Science Now when we get to Meteorites and Tektites, their is Very Little Information available on these when it comes to Cutting and Polishing these Materials into Finished Gemstones.. Experience is a wondrous thing.. The difference between a pile of gravel and a Finished Gem may stem from experimentation, experience and knowledge. A Gemstone that is aesthetically pleasing, that will hold it's Final Polish and retain it's internal Strength is the desired result we all wish to achieve... Some Gems may need to be submersed in a Liquid while cutting and Polishing, others need to be aligned properly to show color, some minerals have directional hardnesses and the X, Y Z Axis may all have different hardnesses and hold a final polish differently. Meteorites are Minerals, and most of them closely match minerals we already have here on earth. Recognizing that a Moldavite Polishes like Quartz , BUT shows the best colors when Sapphire Facet angles are used, and these angles change as the Gems Size increase are all part of getting a beautiful final result. Orienting a mineral is also important when Cutting and Polishing, knowing how to read the Parent Piece and Aligning it properly on that First Cut can be the difference between $$ and ¢ ¢ .. I am sure many can attest to this.. Now when cutting a Campo iron meteorite and noting the fact that it cuts like Pyrite and polished like Chill Cast Iron goes along way in saving Time and Materials, as well as achieving the desired final results. OR -you could just grab a piece of Fine Grit Sandpaper and place it on a sturdy , flat surface , moisten and polish for awhile and hope for the Best ?? RECOMMENDATIONS : Send your material to me , and I will Cut, Facet, Cabochon, or Carve your materials for you at a Minimal Cost and return them to you. I cut for many individual and commercial clients, Internationally, and have excellent references. ( Mr. Reynolds ? ) Tektites in all forms are my specialty, BUT anything can be cut as long as it is Structurally Sound.See Linkhttp://www.tektites.co.uk/SchroederB.html Contact me to arrange a Trial Facet Job, at a very Low Cost compared to having your materials Cut by Local Gem Cutters. Any and all Inquiries welcome. Contact me directly if you are interested. br...@aajewel.com Send any questions you may have directly to me , to avoid clutter on the List.. Highest Regards Brian Schroeder IMCA # 7381 br...@aajewel.com http://stores.ebay.ca/AAJEWELCOM http://aajewel.com/Facet_services/facet_services_home.html http://aajewel.com/Contact_Us/index.php CHECK OUT SOME OF MY WORK HERE: LIBYAN DESERT GLASS - http://stores.ebay.ca/AAJEWELCOM/_i.html?_fsub=669723010 MOLDAVITE - http://stores.ebay.ca/AAJEWELCOM/Moldavite-/_i.html?_fsub=15904979_sid=650264280_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 THAILANDITE TEKTITE - http://stores.ebay.ca/AAJEWELCOM/Tektite-/_i.html?_fsub=15904980_sid=650264280_trksid=p4634.c0.m322 Message: 18 Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 16:44:15 -0700 From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Info on Polishing Cut Stones? ( AD ++ ) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 53ff2dc1-2ceb-4178-afa5-f59c22fde...@islandnet.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Is there any scientific to polish a cut stone? Chris Spratt (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse
Very nice Ryan, thanks for sharing that. I'm looking forward to more photos of your collection. Do you know of a site that hosts photos different private collections? That would be pretty neat - there's probably one, but I don't do a lot web surfing I also don't keep up with the met list unfortunately. Happy collecting, Mark B. Vail, AZ - Original Message From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, March 19, 2011 7:18:26 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse Good Evening List, I was doing some Spring cleaning, and stumbled upon the invoice and mail order receipt from my first meteorite purchase. 36 gram - Gibeon Iron Meteorite Slice, Robert A. Haag - Meteorites, dated July 14, 1997. Has it already been nearly fourteen years???.. I said to myself. Like many collectors, I had purchased my first, never realizing that it would only be the very beginning if an everlasting obsession. Through the years, I have only shared a glimpse of my collection with a few people. I think it's about time for a grand unveiling, a sneak peek into the Falling Fusion Meteorite Collection. Please enjoy at your leisure. All the best, Ryan Pawelski Part One - Select Aesthetic Individuals. http://community.webshots.com/album/579929447dYuoxs?vhost=communitystart=0 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse
Sounds like you are describing the Encyclopedia of Meteorites website Mark. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Sat, 3/19/11, Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Mark Bowling mina...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] My Collection - First Glimpse To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 10:35 PM Very nice Ryan, thanks for sharing that. I'm looking forward to more photos of your collection. Do you know of a site that hosts photos different private collections? That would be pretty neat - there's probably one, but I don't do a lot web surfing I also don't keep up with the met list unfortunately. Happy collecting, Mark B. Vail, AZ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
