[meteorite-list] AD - Ebay Auctions, CV, L3,LL6, Shocked L6....
Hello List, i have a few auctions at Ebay ending today: http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?item=221152343239pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item337db4f4c7_ssn=gipometeoritesrt=ncLH_Auction=1 Many thanks for viewing! Carsten __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: E-Bay listenings ending in about 6 hrs (10am PST)
Dear list members, A few rare small meteorite slices and fragments are available next to LDG and other minerals: ALLENDE, IBBENBÜREN, EL BLIDA, BJURBÖLE and others No reserve, low starting bid at USD 9.99 ! Please have a look if interested. http://stores.ebay.com/SAHARAGEMS-Meteorites-and-more?_rdc=1 Thanks. Thomas www.saharagems.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD Selling diamond blades, brand new
Hello I've several diamond saw blades for sale. The size is not accurate for my saw. There are : - 2 blades 6'' x .012 x .015 (spacer included) - 3 blades 6'' x .006 x .009 (spacer included). One of these was used one time to try but size was not good. I sell the whole blades, not separately. Price including shipment worldwide with tracking number is US$ 100. Payment with Paypal in euros or dollars. Kind regards Pierre-Marie Pelé Meteor-Center Météorites : achat - vente - expertise - expéditions - recherche http://www.meteor-center.com IMCA 3360 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 MENAFN, Muscat Daily, January 25, 2103 http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093602529/--Oman-contributed-16-of-worlds-meteorite-finds-2011?src=RSS Note that this article states: ''Now, export of any kind of rock is prohibited unless authorised by the relevant authority,'' he said. and Oman's Mining Law, The Mining Law issued by Royal Decree No 27/2003, prohibits the practice of all rock and mineral and exploratory activities and trading in the same without obtaining permission from the Directorate General of Minerals. Some other older articles. Experts study meteorites, Oman Observer Mon, 17 December 2012 http://main.omanobserver.om/node/133724 Oman is major site for meteor discovery (Country was second only to Antarctica in meteor finds until 2007) Emirates 24/7, October 19, 2010 http://www.emirates247.com/news/oman-is-major-site-for-meteor-discovery-2010-10-19-1.306190 Searching for Meteorites in the Deserts of Oman by Simon Mitton, Live Science, May 18, 2009 http://www.livescience.com/3613-searching-meteorites-deserts-oman.html Related papers are: Korotev, R. L., 2012, Lunar meteorites from Oman. Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 47, no 8, pp. 1365–1402 (August 2012) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01393.x/abstract Hofmann, B. A., E. Gnos, A. Al-Kathiri, and A. J. T. Jull, 2006, Meteorite accumulation surfaces in Oman: Main results of Omani-Swiss meteorite search campaigns, 2001-2006. 4th Swiss Geoscience Meeting, Bern 2006. http://geoscience-meeting.scnatweb.ch/sgm2006/SGM06_abstracts/08_OS_Min_Pet/Hofmann_Beda_Talk_or_Poster.pdf Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
In other words - foreign hunters beware. Nobody wants to see a nation plundered of it's resources - but closing off the strewnfields to the majority of hunters and arbitrarily enforcing the laws is not doing science, collectors, or Oman any good. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 MENAFN, Muscat Daily, January 25, 2103 http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093602529/--Oman-contributed-16-of-worlds-meteorite-finds-2011?src=RSS Note that this article states: ''Now, export of any kind of rock is prohibited unless authorised by the relevant authority,'' he said. and Oman's Mining Law, The Mining Law issued by Royal Decree No 27/2003, prohibits the practice of all rock and mineral and exploratory activities and trading in the same without obtaining permission from the Directorate General of Minerals. Some other older articles. Experts study meteorites, Oman Observer Mon, 17 December 2012 http://main.omanobserver.om/node/133724 Oman is major site for meteor discovery (Country was second only to Antarctica in meteor finds until 2007) Emirates 24/7, October 19, 2010 http://www.emirates247.com/news/oman-is-major-site-for-meteor-discovery-2010-10-19-1.306190 Searching for Meteorites in the Deserts of Oman by Simon Mitton, Live Science, May 18, 2009 http://www.livescience.com/3613-searching-meteorites-deserts-oman.html Related papers are: Korotev, R. L., 2012, Lunar meteorites from Oman. Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 47, no 8, pp. 1365–1402 (August 2012) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01393.x/abstract Hofmann, B. A., E. Gnos, A. Al-Kathiri, and A. J. T. Jull, 2006, Meteorite accumulation surfaces in Oman: Main results of Omani-Swiss meteorite search campaigns, 2001-2006. 4th Swiss Geoscience Meeting, Bern 2006. http://geoscience-meeting.scnatweb.ch/sgm2006/SGM06_abstracts/08_OS_Min_Pet/Hofmann_Beda_Talk_or_Poster.pdf Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
Luckily, all my offerings from Oman predate this royal decree or were covered under one of three permits issued to the Germans. Once I am sold out, I will no longer offer meteorites from Oman. We can ad meteorites from the United States which I will no longer be restocking. I never thought I would see the day when meteorites like Gold Basin, Jellen and Franconia would be considered illegal contraband. This is a distributing trend that will continue due to the popularization of meteorites in the press and on cable TV. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
But it was reported also here on the list, that in the Farmer/Ward trial the court decided that the mining decree wasn't violated? Btw. I can't find the decree anymore on web for free. Only for buying at 80$ tststs strange country, where you have to pay first to know, whether you act legally or illegally. And since when does the meteorite world take the press for a reliable source of information? Best, Martin, Who never read the NYT again ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 16:49 An: Paul H. Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 In other words - foreign hunters beware. Nobody wants to see a nation plundered of it's resources - but closing off the strewnfields to the majority of hunters and arbitrarily enforcing the laws is not doing science, collectors, or Oman any good. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 MENAFN, Muscat Daily, January 25, 2103 http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093602529/--Oman-contributed-16-of-worlds-mete orite-finds-2011?src=RSS Note that this article states: ''Now, export of any kind of rock is prohibited unless authorised by the relevant authority,'' he said. and Oman's Mining Law, The Mining Law issued by Royal Decree No 27/2003, prohibits the practice of all rock and mineral and exploratory activities and trading in the same without obtaining permission from the Directorate General of Minerals. Some other older articles. Experts study meteorites, Oman Observer Mon, 17 December 2012 http://main.omanobserver.om/node/133724 Oman is major site for meteor discovery (Country was second only to Antarctica in meteor finds until 2007) Emirates 24/7, October 19, 2010 http://www.emirates247.com/news/oman-is-major-site-for-meteor-discovery-2010 -10-19-1.306190 Searching for Meteorites in the Deserts of Oman by Simon Mitton, Live Science, May 18, 2009 http://www.livescience.com/3613-searching-meteorites-deserts-oman.html Related papers are: Korotev, R. L., 2012, Lunar meteorites from Oman. Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 47, no 8, pp. 13651402 (August 2012) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01393.x/abstract Hofmann, B. A., E. Gnos, A. Al-Kathiri, and A. J. T. Jull, 2006, Meteorite accumulation surfaces in Oman: Main results of Omani-Swiss meteorite search campaigns, 2001-2006. 4th Swiss Geoscience Meeting, Bern 2006. http://geoscience-meeting.scnatweb.ch/sgm2006/SGM06_abstracts/08_OS_Min_Pet/ Hofmann_Beda_Talk_or_Poster.pdf Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
I will continue to offer Omani meteorites when the opportunity arises. Ghubara is a good example. The current lawmakers and enforcers in Oman weren't born yet when Ghubara was recovered and distributed. Or, they were still suckling on the teat. That meteorite, and many others, are effectively grandfathered into legal collections. If I was offering such meteorites, I wouldn't be worried. There is no need to lawyer-up just because you have a few Omani meteorites in your collection.yet. Until US authorities decide to openly meddle further into the market, we have not reached a tipping point where we have to worry about arrest for simply collecting rocks (celestial rocks, but rocks nonetheless). It's obvious to all how Oman is viewing the meteorite market now. But that does not legally address past Omani meteorites or recoveries. One cannot arbitrarily enforce a new interpretation of law to make it retroactive for decades and expect every other nation to follow suit. What the Omanis want and what is legal under international and national laws are completely different and confusing things that are not specifically addressed under any law by most nations. Now, what dealers and hunters will do is obvious and expected - they are going to start avoiding Omani meteorites like the plague. Adam is taking a prudent and safe approach, but I think it's too early to start ringing the alarm bells and tossing out the Omani stones from our collections. The real question is - what exactly does the Omani law(s) state and how are they enforced? The recent affair in 2010 was a hot mess that still doesn't make any legal sense. They might be saying on thing to the world, but their own courts apparently don't agree. On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Luckily, all my offerings from Oman predate this royal decree or were covered under one of three permits issued to the Germans. Once I am sold out, I will no longer offer meteorites from Oman. We can ad meteorites from the United States which I will no longer be restocking. I never thought I would see the day when meteorites like Gold Basin, Jellen and Franconia would be considered illegal contraband. This is a distributing trend that will continue due to the popularization of meteorites in the press and on cable TV. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Hi Jeff, Of course the comparison between chondrite groups and martian types is not perfect. The different martian types are not from different parent bodies, but we still don't know where they come from on Mars, and won't for a long time, not until we know the geology of Mars better. So for a large body like a planet, and given our fragmentary knowledge of Mars, different regions are more or less equivalent to different parent bodies. Describing martians with generic lithologic names that were developed for Earth geology is useful, but for example we don't hesitate to use the term mid-ocean ridge basalts (MORB) for Earth's most abundant rock type, which will never be found on Mars. The same is true for Mars because of a different planetary evolution. We are already doing this based on rover data, the term Gusev basalt is one example. SNC's plus ALH 84001 and NWA 7034 are, each type, glimpses of diversity of Mars' unique geology. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:06:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 There are two reasons why we can't get rid of carbonaceous chondrite group names. First, unlike Martian meteorites, we don't know where C chondrites came from. We can't point to a single asteroid as the source for any of them, let alone all of them. So the group names are still serving their basic purpose of ordering the chaos. Second, the only language we have to describe the rocks known as chondrites is by their group names. They can't be described with standard rock nomenclature. So this is not a fair comparison. I didn't say Martian meteorite names were not useful. I said they were archaic, historical artifacts. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:38 PM, Carl Agee wrote: Hi Jeff and all you Nomenclature Enthusiasts out there: I think the martian meteorite names do serve a useful purpose, they are a sort of short-hand, so that you don’t have to be an igneous petrologist to know that one type of martian is different from another. So when we say a martian meteorite is a “NWA7034-ite”, or “blackbeauty-ite”, or a “saharite” or whatever name you want to pick, we are implicitly talking about a breccia, that is water-rich, alkali basalt, with higher-than-SNC oxygen isotope values, ~ 2 byo, etc. For example, like it or not, when we say “Allan Hills” the first thing comes that comes to mind is ALH 84001. When you say orthopyroxenite maybe not so much. If it’s such a great idea to do away with martian types, why don’t we go ahead and do away with all the carbonaceous chondrite groups like CI, CM, CV, etc. and just call them all carbonaceous chondrites, that of course have a wide range of compositions, textures, mineralogies etc.? Meteoritics isn’t the only science that has colorful nomenclature. Mineralogists still like to name new minerals after famous mineralogists, instead of just naming them by their chemical composition or crystal structure. Carl Agee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
Unfortunately, lawmakers and bureaucrats watch these shows and base decisions upon them as stated by the BLM in their last public writings. Old-time treasure hunters and clubs are up-in-arms over the new cable show called Diggers. These two idiots are breaking the cardinal rule of keeping quite, undoing all of the hard work treasure hunters have spent decades repairing. It looks like history is repeating itself in my old avocation. I have been asked to rejoin my old club called Cascade Treasure Hunters in order to let these rookies know that they are considered outcasts. They took it upon themselves to coin all new terms like Juice, Civ, Riv and Nector. No real advocate of amateur or professional treasure hunting would be caught dead using this baby-talk in the field. Happy Hunting, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 But it was reported also here on the list, that in the Farmer/Ward trial the court decided that the mining decree wasn't violated? Btw. I can't find the decree anymore on web for free. Only for buying at 80$ tststs strange country, where you have to pay first to know, whether you act legally or illegally. And since when does the meteorite world take the press for a reliable source of information? Best, Martin, Who never read the NYT again ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 16:49 An: Paul H. Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 In other words - foreign hunters beware. Nobody wants to see a nation plundered of it's resources - but closing off the strewnfields to the majority of hunters and arbitrarily enforcing the laws is not doing science, collectors, or Oman any good. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 MENAFN, Muscat Daily, January 25, 2103 http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093602529/--Oman-contributed-16-of-worlds-mete orite-finds-2011?src=RSS Note that this article states: ''Now, export of any kind of rock is prohibited unless authorised by the relevant authority,'' he said. and Oman's Mining Law, The Mining Law issued by Royal Decree No 27/2003, prohibits the practice of all rock and mineral and exploratory activities and trading in the same without obtaining permission from the Directorate General of Minerals. Some other older articles. Experts study meteorites, Oman Observer Mon, 17 December 2012 http://main.omanobserver.om/node/133724 Oman is major site for meteor discovery (Country was second only to Antarctica in meteor finds until 2007) Emirates 24/7, October 19, 2010 http://www.emirates247.com/news/oman-is-major-site-for-meteor-discovery-2010 -10-19-1.306190 Searching for Meteorites in the Deserts of Oman by Simon Mitton, Live Science, May 18, 2009 http://www.livescience.com/3613-searching-meteorites-deserts-oman.html Related papers are: Korotev, R. L., 2012, Lunar meteorites from Oman. Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 47, no 8, pp. 1365–1402 (August 2012) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01393.x/abstract Hofmann, B. A., E. Gnos, A. Al-Kathiri, and A. J. T. Jull, 2006, Meteorite accumulation surfaces in Oman: Main results of Omani-Swiss meteorite search campaigns, 2001-2006. 4th Swiss Geoscience Meeting, Bern 2006. http://geoscience-meeting.scnatweb.ch/sgm2006/SGM06_abstracts/08_OS_Min_Pet/ Hofmann_Beda_Talk_or_Poster.pdf Best wishes, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
The real question is - what exactly does the Omani law(s) state Hi Mike, Perhaps the IMCA knows? Look: http://www.muscatdaily.com/Archive/Oman/IMCA-seeks-clarity-over-laws-on-mete orite-trade It's obvious to all how Oman is viewing the meteorite market now. I assume like in any other country too: They're viewing it not at all. I mean, we're speaking about meteorites, don't forget that. And no sane mind except a little handful of collectors and researchers on the globe cares about such stuff. So no reason for hysteria. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 17:13 An: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 I will continue to offer Omani meteorites when the opportunity arises. Ghubara is a good example. The current lawmakers and enforcers in Oman weren't born yet when Ghubara was recovered and distributed. Or, they were still suckling on the teat. That meteorite, and many others, are effectively grandfathered into legal collections. If I was offering such meteorites, I wouldn't be worried. There is no need to lawyer-up just because you have a few Omani meteorites in your collection.yet. Until US authorities decide to openly meddle further into the market, we have not reached a tipping point where we have to worry about arrest for simply collecting rocks (celestial rocks, but rocks nonetheless). It's obvious to all how Oman is viewing the meteorite market now. But that does not legally address past Omani meteorites or recoveries. One cannot arbitrarily enforce a new interpretation of law to make it retroactive for decades and expect every other nation to follow suit. What the Omanis want and what is legal under international and national laws are completely different and confusing things that are not specifically addressed under any law by most nations. Now, what dealers and hunters will do is obvious and expected - they are going to start avoiding Omani meteorites like the plague. Adam is taking a prudent and safe approach, but I think it's too early to start ringing the alarm bells and tossing out the Omani stones from our collections. The real question is - what exactly does the Omani law(s) state and how are they enforced? The recent affair in 2010 was a hot mess that still doesn't make any legal sense. They might be saying on thing to the world, but their own courts apparently don't agree. On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Luckily, all my offerings from Oman predate this royal decree or were covered under one of three permits issued to the Germans. Once I am sold out, I will no longer offer meteorites from Oman. We can ad meteorites from the United States which I will no longer be restocking. I never thought I would see the day when meteorites like Gold Basin, Jellen and Franconia would be considered illegal contraband. This is a distributing trend that will continue due to the popularization of meteorites in the press and on cable TV. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
The bottom line in all of this is that meteorite group names will last only as long as they're useful. The literature of the past is littered with group names such as grahamites and others I've forgotten because they fell out of use. Similarly, the term SNC is not used much these days although the individual group names survive. If scientisits no longer find it useful to use the term shergottite, then it will gradually fall out of use. If folks invent new names and no one uses them, then it doesn't really matter. An interesting analogy is that there are some unpopular models for chondrule formation, for example, (say gamma-ray bursts) that no one uses and thus don't pollute the literature. Alan Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 Hi Jeff, Of course the comparison between chondrite groups and martian types is not perfect. The different martian types are not from different parent bodies, but we still don't know where they come from on Mars, and won't for a long time, not until we know the geology of Mars better. So for a large body like a planet, and given our fragmentary knowledge of Mars, different regions are more or less equivalent to different parent bodies. Describing martians with generic lithologic names that were developed for Earth geology is useful, but for example we don't hesitate to use the term mid-ocean ridge basalts (MORB) for Earth's most abundant rock type, which will never be found on Mars. The same is true for Mars because of a different planetary evolution. We are already doing this based on rover data, the term Gusev basalt is one example. SNC's plus ALH 84001 and NWA 7034 are, each type, glimpses of diversity of Mars' unique geology. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:06:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 There are two reasons why we can't get rid of carbonaceous chondrite group names. First, unlike Martian meteorites, we don't know where C chondrites came from. We can't point to a single asteroid as the source for any of them, let alone all of them. So the group names are still serving their basic purpose of ordering the chaos. Second, the only language we have to describe the rocks known as chondrites is by their group names. They can't be described with standard rock nomenclature. So this is not a fair comparison. I didn't say Martian meteorite names were not useful. I said they were archaic, historical artifacts. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:38 PM, Carl Agee wrote: Hi Jeff and all you Nomenclature Enthusiasts out there: I think the martian meteorite names do serve a useful purpose, they are a sort of short-hand, so that you don’t have to be an igneous petrologist to know that one type of martian is different from another. So when we say a martian meteorite is a “NWA7034-ite”, or “blackbeauty-ite”, or a “saharite” or whatever name you want to pick, we are implicitly talking about a breccia, that is water-rich, alkali basalt, with higher-than-SNC oxygen isotope values, ~ 2 byo, etc. For example, like it or not, when we say “Allan Hills” the first thing comes that comes to mind is ALH 84001. When you say orthopyroxenite maybe not so much. If it’s such a great idea to do away with martian types, why don’t we go ahead and do away with all the carbonaceous chondrite groups like CI, CM, CV, etc. and just call them all carbonaceous chondrites, that of course have a wide range of compositions, textures, mineralogies etc.? Meteoritics isn’t the only science that has colorful nomenclature. Mineralogists still like to name new minerals after famous mineralogists, instead of just naming them by their chemical composition or crystal structure. Carl Agee __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
A keen hypothesis if you refer to the Meteorite Men Show, Adam. The introduction of explicit and sometimes restricting meteorite laws, Hence those of Algeria, Argentina, Australia, Botswana, Canada, Denmark, Namibia, New Zealand, Lesotho, (Oman), Poland, The Philippines, Slovakia, Swaziland, South Africa others I don't know (neither yet the wordings of the Algerian...) predate that show. Only the newer U.S.-regulations not. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 17:25 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 Unfortunately, lawmakers and bureaucrats watch these shows and base decisions upon them as stated by the BLM in their last public writings. Old-time treasure hunters and clubs are up-in-arms over the new cable show called Diggers. These two idiots are breaking the cardinal rule of keeping quite, undoing all of the hard work treasure hunters have spent decades repairing. It looks like history is repeating itself in my old avocation. I have been asked to rejoin my old club called Cascade Treasure Hunters in order to let these rookies know that they are considered outcasts. They took it upon themselves to coin all new terms like Juice, Civ, Riv and Nector. No real advocate of amateur or professional treasure hunting would be caught dead using this baby-talk in the field. Happy Hunting, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 But it was reported also here on the list, that in the Farmer/Ward trial the court decided that the mining decree wasn't violated? Btw. I can't find the decree anymore on web for free. Only for buying at 80$ tststs strange country, where you have to pay first to know, whether you act legally or illegally. And since when does the meteorite world take the press for a reliable source of information? Best, Martin, Who never read the NYT again ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 16:49 An: Paul H. Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 In other words - foreign hunters beware. Nobody wants to see a nation plundered of it's resources - but closing off the strewnfields to the majority of hunters and arbitrarily enforcing the laws is not doing science, collectors, or Oman any good. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 MENAFN, Muscat Daily, January 25, 2103 http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093602529/--Oman-contributed-16-of-worlds-mete orite-finds-2011?src=RSS Note that this article states: ''Now, export of any kind of rock is prohibited unless authorised by the relevant authority,'' he said. and Oman's Mining Law, The Mining Law issued by Royal Decree No 27/2003, prohibits the practice of all rock and mineral and exploratory activities and trading in the same without obtaining permission from the Directorate General of Minerals. Some other older articles. Experts study meteorites, Oman Observer Mon, 17 December 2012 http://main.omanobserver.om/node/133724 Oman is major site for meteor discovery (Country was second only to Antarctica in meteor finds until 2007) Emirates 24/7, October 19, 2010 http://www.emirates247.com/news/oman-is-major-site-for-meteor-discovery-2010 -10-19-1.306190 Searching for Meteorites in the Deserts of Oman by Simon Mitton, Live Science, May 18, 2009 http://www.livescience.com/3613-searching-meteorites-deserts-oman.html Related papers are: Korotev, R. L., 2012, Lunar meteorites from Oman. Meteoritics Planetary Science, vol. 47, no 8, pp. 1365–1402 (August 2012) http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10./j.1945-5100.2012.01393.x/abstract Hofmann, B. A., E. Gnos, A. Al-Kathiri, and A. J. T. Jull, 2006, Meteorite accumulation surfaces in Oman: Main results of Omani-Swiss meteorite search campaigns, 2001-2006. 4th Swiss Geoscience Meeting, Bern 2006.
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Alan, Very good point, but now because of the appearance of NWA 7034 the waning usefulness of distinct martian types is actually reversed and becomes more relevant. In the past few years we have seen so many new shergottite finds, but they are all more or less the same rocks as in the collections, so nothing really new, and we all thought SNC=martian meterorite. NWA 7034 is quite different, it is not just another SNC, it is showing us that the SNCs are probably a small biased sampling of Mars -- but we already knew that from rover and orbiter data. So now it is useful to say SNC+NWA7034=martian meteorite, and make the statement that no, this is not just another shergottite, only brecciated. Carl On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: The bottom line in all of this is that meteorite group names will last only as long as they're useful. The literature of the past is littered with group names such as grahamites and others I've forgotten because they fell out of use. Similarly, the term SNC is not used much these days although the individual group names survive. If scientisits no longer find it useful to use the term shergottite, then it will gradually fall out of use. If folks invent new names and no one uses them, then it doesn't really matter. An interesting analogy is that there are some unpopular models for chondrule formation, for example, (say gamma-ray bursts) that no one uses and thus don't pollute the literature. Alan Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 Hi Jeff, Of course the comparison between chondrite groups and martian types is not perfect. The different martian types are not from different parent bodies, but we still don't know where they come from on Mars, and won't for a long time, not until we know the geology of Mars better. So for a large body like a planet, and given our fragmentary knowledge of Mars, different regions are more or less equivalent to different parent bodies. Describing martians with generic lithologic names that were developed for Earth geology is useful, but for example we don't hesitate to use the term mid-ocean ridge basalts (MORB) for Earth's most abundant rock type, which will never be found on Mars. The same is true for Mars because of a different planetary evolution. We are already doing this based on rover data, the term Gusev basalt is one example. SNC's plus ALH 84001 and NWA 7034 are, each type, glimpses of diversity of Mars' unique geology. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:06:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 There are two reasons why we can't get rid of carbonaceous chondrite group names. First, unlike Martian meteorites, we don't know where C chondrites came from. We can't point to a single asteroid as the source for any of them, let alone all of them. So the group names are still serving their basic purpose of ordering the chaos. Second, the only language we have to describe the rocks known as chondrites is by their group names. They can't be described with standard rock nomenclature. So this is not a fair comparison. I didn't say Martian meteorite names were not useful. I said they were archaic, historical artifacts. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:38 PM, Carl Agee wrote: Hi Jeff and all you Nomenclature Enthusiasts out there: I think the martian meteorite names do serve a useful purpose, they are a sort of short-hand, so that you don’t have to be an igneous petrologist to know that one type of martian is different from another. So when we say a martian meteorite is a “NWA7034-ite”, or “blackbeauty-ite”, or a “saharite” or whatever name you want to pick, we are implicitly talking about a breccia, that is water-rich, alkali basalt, with higher-than-SNC oxygen isotope values, ~ 2 byo, etc. For example, like it or not, when we say “Allan Hills” the first thing comes that comes to mind is ALH 84001. When you say orthopyroxenite maybe not so much. If it’s such a great idea to do away with martian types, why don’t we go ahead and do away with all the carbonaceous chondrite
[meteorite-list] Group names such as grahamites and others (was: NWA 7034)
Alan Rubin kindly wrote: The literature of the past is littered with group names such as grahamites* and others I've forgotten because they fell out of use. Tschermak G. (1885) Die mikroskopische Beschaffenheit der Meteoriten (Stuttgart E. Schweizerbart'sche Verlagshandlung, E. Koch, 23 pp.). English Translation: The Microscopic Properties of Meteorites, Vol. 4, No. 6 (Smithsonian Contributions to Astrophysics, Washington, D.C., 1964). Translation by J.A. Wood and E.M. Wood - grahamites (Vaca Muerta was a grahamite for Tschermak)* - bustites = aubrites - chladnites (only Bishopville at Tschermak's time but Bishopville is an aubrite!) - amphoterites = LL chondrites - chassignites = Martian meteorites - shalkites: proposed by Rose for the mixture of bronzite and olivine Best regards, Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
I saw my first hobby, treasure hunting destroyed by an increase in publicity . The press focused mainly on the negative aspects of treasure hunting, not the wholesome family outing. Try treasure hunting on public land or a city park these days! I am insulted by watching Diggers and had to turn the channel. They were digging out giant plugs of grass on private property thus violating the treasure hunters code of ethics leaving the property in the condition it was found or better by removing trash. A real treasure hunter uses a soft tipped probe and a screwdriver to remove targets, not dig out a giant hole unless absolutely necessary. Then they cut a hinge which will grow back, not a plug which will break ankles. They share their finds internally through memos, not blast it all over the media which only serves to attract the wrong kind of attention. Enough from me, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:52 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 A keen hypothesis if you refer to the Meteorite Men Show, Adam. The introduction of explicit and sometimes restricting meteorite laws, Hence those of Algeria, Argentina, Australia, Botswana, Canada, Denmark, Namibia, New Zealand, Lesotho, (Oman), Poland, The Philippines, Slovakia, Swaziland, South Africa others I don't know (neither yet the wordings of the Algerian...) predate that show. Only the newer U.S.-regulations not. Best! Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Adam Hupe Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 17:25 An: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 Unfortunately, lawmakers and bureaucrats watch these shows and base decisions upon them as stated by the BLM in their last public writings. Old-time treasure hunters and clubs are up-in-arms over the new cable show called Diggers. These two idiots are breaking the cardinal rule of keeping quite, undoing all of the hard work treasure hunters have spent decades repairing. It looks like history is repeating itself in my old avocation. I have been asked to rejoin my old club called Cascade Treasure Hunters in order to let these rookies know that they are considered outcasts. They took it upon themselves to coin all new terms like Juice, Civ, Riv and Nector. No real advocate of amateur or professional treasure hunting would be caught dead using this baby-talk in the field. Happy Hunting, Adam - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 But it was reported also here on the list, that in the Farmer/Ward trial the court decided that the mining decree wasn't violated? Btw. I can't find the decree anymore on web for free. Only for buying at 80$ tststs strange country, where you have to pay first to know, whether you act legally or illegally. And since when does the meteorite world take the press for a reliable source of information? Best, Martin, Who never read the NYT again ;-) -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 16:49 An: Paul H. Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 In other words - foreign hunters beware. Nobody wants to see a nation plundered of it's resources - but closing off the strewnfields to the majority of hunters and arbitrarily enforcing the laws is not doing science, collectors, or Oman any good. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Paul H. inselb...@cox.net wrote: Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 MENAFN, Muscat Daily, January 25, 2103 http://www.menafn.com/menafn/1093602529/--Oman-contributed-16-of-worlds-mete orite-finds-2011?src=RSS Note that this article states: ''Now, export of any kind of rock is prohibited unless authorised by the relevant authority,'' he said. and Oman's Mining Law, The Mining Law issued by Royal Decree No 27/2003, prohibits the practice of all rock and mineral and exploratory activities and trading
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Hi all! It seems that over time, with our knowledge increasing, naming and systematics would follow the knowledge. If something is different, it's different. Has anyone really ever agreed on systematics? Kind regards Jim Jim Wooddell - Mobile Carl Agee a...@unm.edu wrote: Alan, Very good point, but now because of the appearance of NWA 7034 the waning usefulness of distinct martian types is actually reversed and becomes more relevant. In the past few years we have seen so many new shergottite finds, but they are all more or less the same rocks as in the collections, so nothing really new, and we all thought SNC=martian meterorite. NWA 7034 is quite different, it is not just another SNC, it is showing us that the SNCs are probably a small biased sampling of Mars -- but we already knew that from rover and orbiter data. So now it is useful to say SNC+NWA7034=martian meteorite, and make the statement that no, this is not just another shergottite, only brecciated. Carl On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 9:38 AM, Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: The bottom line in all of this is that meteorite group names will last only as long as they're useful. The literature of the past is littered with group names such as grahamites and others I've forgotten because they fell out of use. Similarly, the term SNC is not used much these days although the individual group names survive. If scientisits no longer find it useful to use the term shergottite, then it will gradually fall out of use. If folks invent new names and no one uses them, then it doesn't really matter. An interesting analogy is that there are some unpopular models for chondrule formation, for example, (say gamma-ray bursts) that no one uses and thus don't pollute the literature. Alan Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 Hi Jeff, Of course the comparison between chondrite groups and martian types is not perfect. The different martian types are not from different parent bodies, but we still don't know where they come from on Mars, and won't for a long time, not until we know the geology of Mars better. So for a large body like a planet, and given our fragmentary knowledge of Mars, different regions are more or less equivalent to different parent bodies. Describing martians with generic lithologic names that were developed for Earth geology is useful, but for example we don't hesitate to use the term mid-ocean ridge basalts (MORB) for Earth's most abundant rock type, which will never be found on Mars. The same is true for Mars because of a different planetary evolution. We are already doing this based on rover data, the term Gusev basalt is one example. SNC's plus ALH 84001 and NWA 7034 are, each type, glimpses of diversity of Mars' unique geology. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:06:22 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 There are two reasons why we can't get rid of carbonaceous chondrite group names. First, unlike Martian meteorites, we don't know where C chondrites came from. We can't point to a single asteroid as the source for any of them, let alone all of them. So the group names are still serving their basic purpose of ordering the chaos. Second, the only language we have to describe the rocks known as chondrites is by their group names. They can't be described with standard rock nomenclature. So this is not a fair comparison. I didn't say Martian meteorite names were not useful. I said they were archaic, historical artifacts. Jeff On 1/26/2013 11:38 PM, Carl Agee wrote: Hi Jeff and all you Nomenclature Enthusiasts out there: I think the martian meteorite names do serve a useful purpose, they are a sort of short-hand, so that you don’t have to be an igneous petrologist to know that one type of martian is different from another. So when we say a martian meteorite is a “NWA7034-ite”, or “blackbeauty-ite”, or a “saharite” or whatever name you want to pick, we are implicitly talking about a breccia, that is water-rich, alkali basalt, with higher-than-SNC oxygen isotope values, ~ 2 byo, etc. For example, like it
Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034
Alan, Carl, Jeff, Ted, Bernd, Martin, Adam, Greg, MikeG, List, All due respect to all view points here but, there are certain terms that were a good idea that never really caught on such as RALEWITE. I think this was first brought to our attention by Martin back in May of 2009 if you look in the list archives. This best describes a phenomena that so far has only been seen in one fall that I know of but as a hunter is an extremely important discovery made by and named in honor of Stefan Ralew. Because after all hunters are the first in the discovery process. This observation was made in recognition of a very unusual rubble mixture of fusion crustal material and tiny rocks found on the exterior which penetrated well into the interior of the Tamedaght meteorite fall. This mixture of bits and pieces of the main mass itself mixed in with melted fusion crust material is a sight to see because it is a very thick layer. Too thick to be a normal fusion crust. If we did not know it was from an observed fall, most people would not even have acknowledged that it was part of a real meteorite. I have been actively around meteorites since 1989 and attend the Tucson show every year to look at rocks and I have only seen this TAMEDAGHT PHENOMENA once. This fusion crust type is so rare it deserves it's own name in order that it does not get overlooked by future hunters as a meteorwrong. (sorry I don't have any of my own pictures to post) Carl, Another potentially good reason for NWA 7034 having it's own name is because it may open a flood gate that has previously been locked shut. I mean had I shown a water rich breccia Meteorite prospect to an accredited meteoriticist before now they would have sent me on my way and not given it a second look. This fact alone deserves a huge high five to Dr. Carl Agee. Thank you so much for not sending this amazing discovery to the pigeon hole of meteorwrongs. Another new Mars rock that deserves acknowledgement (once one is found) is the rover's recent discovery of a rock with Earth -like chemistry, a type which lacks Mg and Fe and is rich in feldspar-like minerals. see link below; http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/10/12/us-space-mars-idUSBRE89B02Q20121012 Kind Regards, Carl meteoritemax -- Cheers Alan Rubin aeru...@ucla.edu wrote: The bottom line in all of this is that meteorite group names will last only as long as they're useful. The literature of the past is littered with group names such as grahamites and others I've forgotten because they fell out of use. Similarly, the term SNC is not used much these days although the individual group names survive. If scientisits no longer find it useful to use the term shergottite, then it will gradually fall out of use. If folks invent new names and no one uses them, then it doesn't really matter. An interesting analogy is that there are some unpopular models for chondrule formation, for example, (say gamma-ray bursts) that no one uses and thus don't pollute the literature. Alan Alan Rubin Institute of Geophysics and Planetary Physics University of California 3845 Slichter Hall 603 Charles Young Dr. E Los Angeles, CA 90095-1567 phone: 310-825-3202 e-mail: aeru...@ucla.edu website: http://cosmochemists.igpp.ucla.edu/Rubin.html - Original Message - From: Carl Agee a...@unm.edu To: meteoritelist meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 8:20 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Nwa 7034 Hi Jeff, Of course the comparison between chondrite groups and martian types is not perfect. The different martian types are not from different parent bodies, but we still don't know where they come from on Mars, and won't for a long time, not until we know the geology of Mars better. So for a large body like a planet, and given our fragmentary knowledge of Mars, different regions are more or less equivalent to different parent bodies. Describing martians with generic lithologic names that were developed for Earth geology is useful, but for example we don't hesitate to use the term mid-ocean ridge basalts (MORB) for Earth's most abundant rock type, which will never be found on Mars. The same is true for Mars because of a different planetary evolution. We are already doing this based on rover data, the term Gusev basalt is one example. SNC's plus ALH 84001 and NWA 7034 are, each type, glimpses of diversity of Mars' unique geology. Carl Agee -- Carl B. Agee Director and Curator, Institute of Meteoritics Professor, Earth and Planetary Sciences MSC03 2050 University of New Mexico Albuquerque NM 87131-1126 Tel: (505) 750-7172 Fax: (505) 277-3577 Email: a...@unm.edu http://meteorite.unm.edu/people/carl_agee/ -- Forwarded message -- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2013 00:06:22 -0500 Subject: Re:
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011
I know quite well, we were charged with Mining illegally, yet we were ordered released ore-trial/appeal because we had no mining equipment, thus could not be mining:) Good luck to those who still go there. Oman prison was not really very nice. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Jan 27, 2013, at 9:29 AM, Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de wrote: The real question is - what exactly does the Omani law(s) state Hi Mike, Perhaps the IMCA knows? Look: http://www.muscatdaily.com/Archive/Oman/IMCA-seeks-clarity-over-laws-on-mete orite-trade It's obvious to all how Oman is viewing the meteorite market now. I assume like in any other country too: They're viewing it not at all. I mean, we're speaking about meteorites, don't forget that. And no sane mind except a little handful of collectors and researchers on the globe cares about such stuff. So no reason for hysteria. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Galactic Stone Ironworks Gesendet: Sonntag, 27. Januar 2013 17:13 An: Adam Hupe Cc: Adam Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Oman contributed 16% of world's meteorite finds in 2011 I will continue to offer Omani meteorites when the opportunity arises. Ghubara is a good example. The current lawmakers and enforcers in Oman weren't born yet when Ghubara was recovered and distributed. Or, they were still suckling on the teat. That meteorite, and many others, are effectively grandfathered into legal collections. If I was offering such meteorites, I wouldn't be worried. There is no need to lawyer-up just because you have a few Omani meteorites in your collection.yet. Until US authorities decide to openly meddle further into the market, we have not reached a tipping point where we have to worry about arrest for simply collecting rocks (celestial rocks, but rocks nonetheless). It's obvious to all how Oman is viewing the meteorite market now. But that does not legally address past Omani meteorites or recoveries. One cannot arbitrarily enforce a new interpretation of law to make it retroactive for decades and expect every other nation to follow suit. What the Omanis want and what is legal under international and national laws are completely different and confusing things that are not specifically addressed under any law by most nations. Now, what dealers and hunters will do is obvious and expected - they are going to start avoiding Omani meteorites like the plague. Adam is taking a prudent and safe approach, but I think it's too early to start ringing the alarm bells and tossing out the Omani stones from our collections. The real question is - what exactly does the Omani law(s) state and how are they enforced? The recent affair in 2010 was a hot mess that still doesn't make any legal sense. They might be saying on thing to the world, but their own courts apparently don't agree. On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Luckily, all my offerings from Oman predate this royal decree or were covered under one of three permits issued to the Germans. Once I am sold out, I will no longer offer meteorites from Oman. We can ad meteorites from the United States which I will no longer be restocking. I never thought I would see the day when meteorites like Gold Basin, Jellen and Franconia would be considered illegal contraband. This is a distributing trend that will continue due to the popularization of meteorites in the press and on cable TV. Happy Hunting, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: some very fresh NWA XXX Meteorites for sale.
Hey List, today I have some very nice fresh NWA XXX Meteorites for sale. Check them out may you will like one / or more stones: http://gavie.de/index.php/en/online-shop/category/view/47 If you are interested in something please contect me. Cheers David __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD- Two new lunar meteorites and one deal of an auction
Ending today is a nice piece of Norton County with no reserve. Currently at just over 10/g. The piece has a museum label and catalog number. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=221181012827ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I also have two unpaired lunar meteorites to offer. NWA 7493 - Lunar, feldspathic breccia found 2011, Morocco 503 grams total weight This is an unpaired, beautiful fragmental lunar breccia composed primarily of quenched melt clasts and calcic plagioclase grains. There are numerous scattered olivine and zoned pyroxene grains throughout, rare grains of exsolved pigeonite, ilmenite, Ti-chromite, troilite, silica polymorph and iron metal. Shock melt domains are common containing plagioclase grains set in a matrix of quench crystals. Also contains lunar granophyre clasts. Two complete slices available here: http://mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html I have a couple small slices but I don't have pics ready yet. Please email for details. NWA 7611 - Lunar, mingled breccia Microprobe examination of a polished 7 × 2 cm sawn slice and a separate polished mount shows a fragmental breccia of plagioclase, pyroxene, and olivine grains in a wide range of grain sizes. A prominent ~1-cm pyroxene-plagioclase gabbroic clast was observed as well as several smaller gabbroic fragments. One small clast consists of intergrown hedenbergite+fayalite+silica (after pyroxferroite). The groundmass is variable with some domains showing a uniform fine-grained subophitic plagioclase-pyroxene texture, while other domains show densely packed mineral clasts ranging from 10-300 µm. There are several sharp boundaries between the various textural domains, with at least two compositionally distinct olivine populations, and a wide range of pyroxene compositions, indicating multiple lithologies of a mingled fragmental breccia. Accessory ilmenite, silica polymorph, minor zircon, troilite, Ti-bearing chromite, Ni-free iron metal and kamacite are present. One HUGE slice available here: http://mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html I will be cutting my other slice down into smaller part slices. Thanks, Matt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD- Two new lunar meteorites and one deal of anauction
Matt, Dear man! where is your conscience!, how can you tempt us with these Beauties? I've just made arrangements to sell the wife and dogs. Real special items Matt--thanks. John - Original Message - From: m...@mhmeteorites.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- Two new lunar meteorites and one deal of anauction Ending today is a nice piece of Norton County with no reserve. Currently at just over 10/g. The piece has a museum label and catalog number. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=221181012827ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I also have two unpaired lunar meteorites to offer. NWA 7493 - Lunar, feldspathic breccia found 2011, Morocco 503 grams total weight This is an unpaired, beautiful fragmental lunar breccia composed primarily of quenched melt clasts and calcic plagioclase grains. There are numerous scattered olivine and zoned pyroxene grains throughout, rare grains of exsolved pigeonite, ilmenite, Ti-chromite, troilite, silica polymorph and iron metal. Shock melt domains are common containing plagioclase grains set in a matrix of quench crystals. Also contains lunar granophyre clasts. Two complete slices available here: http://mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html I have a couple small slices but I don't have pics ready yet. Please email for details. NWA 7611 - Lunar, mingled breccia Microprobe examination of a polished 7 × 2 cm sawn slice and a separate polished mount shows a fragmental breccia of plagioclase, pyroxene, and olivine grains in a wide range of grain sizes. A prominent ~1-cm pyroxene-plagioclase gabbroic clast was observed as well as several smaller gabbroic fragments. One small clast consists of intergrown hedenbergite+fayalite+silica (after pyroxferroite). The groundmass is variable with some domains showing a uniform fine-grained subophitic plagioclase-pyroxene texture, while other domains show densely packed mineral clasts ranging from 10-300 µm. There are several sharp boundaries between the various textural domains, with at least two compositionally distinct olivine populations, and a wide range of pyroxene compositions, indicating multiple lithologies of a mingled fragmental breccia. Accessory ilmenite, silica polymorph, minor zircon, troilite, Ti-bearing chromite, Ni-free iron metal and kamacite are present. One HUGE slice available here: http://mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html I will be cutting my other slice down into smaller part slices. Thanks, Matt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD- Two new lunar meteorites and one deal of anauction
Yessome of the best Lunar samples I have ever seen. G On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 10:37 PM, John Lutzon j...@lutzon.com wrote: Matt, Dear man! where is your conscience!, how can you tempt us with these Beauties? I've just made arrangements to sell the wife and dogs. Real special items Matt--thanks. John - Original Message - From: m...@mhmeteorites.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 3:57 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD- Two new lunar meteorites and one deal of anauction Ending today is a nice piece of Norton County with no reserve. Currently at just over 10/g. The piece has a museum label and catalog number. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=221181012827ssPageName=STRK:MESE:IT I also have two unpaired lunar meteorites to offer. NWA 7493 - Lunar, feldspathic breccia found 2011, Morocco 503 grams total weight This is an unpaired, beautiful fragmental lunar breccia composed primarily of quenched melt clasts and calcic plagioclase grains. There are numerous scattered olivine and zoned pyroxene grains throughout, rare grains of exsolved pigeonite, ilmenite, Ti-chromite, troilite, silica polymorph and iron metal. Shock melt domains are common containing plagioclase grains set in a matrix of quench crystals. Also contains lunar granophyre clasts. Two complete slices available here: http://mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html I have a couple small slices but I don't have pics ready yet. Please email for details. NWA 7611 - Lunar, mingled breccia Microprobe examination of a polished 7 × 2 cm sawn slice and a separate polished mount shows a fragmental breccia of plagioclase, pyroxene, and olivine grains in a wide range of grain sizes. A prominent ~1-cm pyroxene-plagioclase gabbroic clast was observed as well as several smaller gabbroic fragments. One small clast consists of intergrown hedenbergite+fayalite+silica (after pyroxferroite). The groundmass is variable with some domains showing a uniform fine-grained subophitic plagioclase-pyroxene texture, while other domains show densely packed mineral clasts ranging from 10-300 µm. There are several sharp boundaries between the various textural domains, with at least two compositionally distinct olivine populations, and a wide range of pyroxene compositions, indicating multiple lithologies of a mingled fragmental breccia. Accessory ilmenite, silica polymorph, minor zircon, troilite, Ti-bearing chromite, Ni-free iron metal and kamacite are present. One HUGE slice available here: http://mhmeteorites.com/museum_gallery.html I will be cutting my other slice down into smaller part slices. Thanks, Matt __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
Great, now there is a stomach virus spreading like wild-fire throughout the U.S. and a flu shot will not help. They are calling it a super bug since it can live on surfaces for weeks and as little as 18 microbes instead of 1,000 can spread it . It effects the gastrointestinal system so somebody spreading it through a foul fart now seems plausible. I guess laughing at my neighbor trapped in an elevator in which some woman damaged the air isn't so funny after all. I am almost afraid to leave my house after hearing this glowing report: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/01/26/doctors-warn-of-new-stomach-superbug-hitting-u-s/ Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad- Auctions Ending
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Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
The key here is to have an active and proactive immune response. Make your body as toxic as possible to all viral and microbial invaders. Smoke cigars, drink straight bourbon, pop vitamins. I cannot emphasize this enough - smoke like a dragon and drink like a madman. The smoke and alcohol will kill any bug foolish enough to stick around. ;) Works for me. Best regards, MikeG PS - Cohibas are good for flu. I recommend Knob Creek for stomach ailments and Maker's Mark for head colds. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Great, now there is a stomach virus spreading like wild-fire throughout the U.S. and a flu shot will not help. They are calling it a super bug since it can live on surfaces for weeks and as little as 18 microbes instead of 1,000 can spread it . It effects the gastrointestinal system so somebody spreading it through a foul fart now seems plausible. I guess laughing at my neighbor trapped in an elevator in which some woman damaged the air isn't so funny after all. I am almost afraid to leave my house after hearing this glowing report: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/01/26/doctors-warn-of-new-stomach-superbug-hitting-u-s/ Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
Sounds like good advice to me. Nothing a six pack of bourbon couldn't handle. My neighbor, who still feels violated and is angered by the methane Queen attack on the elevator swears that a few good whiskey shots mixed with natural honey finally allowed him to semi-recover after two weeks of lost income. This normally tough guy was reduced to a blithering germ-a-phobe after contracting the flu from the unsavory encounter which he had to explain to his now sick and angry wife. He refuses to talk much about it and would rather put the noxious incident behind him. Nasty stuff, Take care, Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson? The key here is to have an active and proactive immune response. Make your body as toxic as possible to all viral and microbial invaders. Smoke cigars, drink straight bourbon, pop vitamins. I cannot emphasize this enough - smoke like a dragon and drink like a madman. The smoke and alcohol will kill any bug foolish enough to stick around. ;) Works for me. Best regards, MikeG PS - Cohibas are good for flu. I recommend Knob Creek for stomach ailments and Maker's Mark for head colds. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Great, now there is a stomach virus spreading like wild-fire throughout the U.S. and a flu shot will not help. They are calling it a super bug since it can live on surfaces for weeks and as little as 18 microbes instead of 1,000 can spread it . It effects the gastrointestinal system so somebody spreading it through a foul fart now seems plausible. I guess laughing at my neighbor trapped in an elevator in which some woman damaged the air isn't so funny after all. I am almost afraid to leave my house after hearing this glowing report: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/01/26/doctors-warn-of-new-stomach-superbug-hitting-u-s/ Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
This virus went through the Denver/Boulder Colorado area a month ago. I know two people that got it, one a 22 year old lady that went to the Boulder hospital, and she recovered just fine. The other was my 80 year old Mom, that got it five days after having a hip replaced, while in a recovery facility, the day before Christmas. Three or four patients got it and a few of the staff. My Mom said it was the WORST stomach flu that she has experienced. No one was allowed into the facility during Christmas because of the illness going around. My family visited my Mom four days after Christmas, and we missed seeing the sign that stated gloves, mask and gown must be worn inside this room We all kissed Mom, and none of us got the bug. If an 80 year old lady that just had a hip replaced can recover, then most people will recover just fine. I have not heard of anyone else getting this stomach flu in this area in the last three weeks. I will be in Tucson, as I have for the last 26 years (only missing one year) and I have never caught the flu at the Tucson Show. Lucky me. There is always some kind of cold or flu going around, it is just that time of year. No reason to hide out. Good Luck, See Ya There, Fred Hall PS: I remember way back, when Bob Haag wore a simulated space suit while selling meteorites at the Denver Show. Maybe we should all wear one at the party and auction...just for laughs! Great, now there is a stomach virus spreading like wild-fire throughout the U.S. and a flu shot will not help. They are calling it a super bug since it can live on surfaces for weeks and as little as 18 microbes instead of 1,000 can spread it . It effects the gastrointestinal system so somebody spreading it through a foul fart now seems plausible. I guess laughing at my neighbor trapped in an elevator in which some woman damaged the air isn't so funny after all. I am almost afraid to leave my house after hearing this glowing report: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/01/26/doctors-warn-of-new-stomach-superbug-hitting-u-s/ Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Murchison, Zagami, 998 Seyamchan deals (ad)
Hi all, For those interested I have the following on eBay with Low Buy it now prices: Seyamchan Zagami NWA 998 Murchison They can all be seen at: http://www.ebay.com/sch/candotou/m.html?_ipg=48_sop=12_rdc=1 Still have a bed available in non-snoring/non-smoking room on the Ground floor within walking distance of 90% of the meteorite dealers at The Show - $45/night. RSVP off list Thanks, Michael PS: This is the last week to get absentee bids in: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/AuctionTucson2013.html Also: Not too late to put items in __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
I'm with Mike, it's kept me safe for years and I'll add one other thing... don't shower and eat lots of vegemite. You are now bullet proof. See you all in Tucson Cheers John On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: The key here is to have an active and proactive immune response. Make your body as toxic as possible to all viral and microbial invaders. Smoke cigars, drink straight bourbon, pop vitamins. I cannot emphasize this enough - smoke like a dragon and drink like a madman. The smoke and alcohol will kill any bug foolish enough to stick around. ;) Works for me. Best regards, MikeG PS - Cohibas are good for flu. I recommend Knob Creek for stomach ailments and Maker's Mark for head colds. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Great, now there is a stomach virus spreading like wild-fire throughout the U.S. and a flu shot will not help. They are calling it a super bug since it can live on surfaces for weeks and as little as 18 microbes instead of 1,000 can spread it . It effects the gastrointestinal system so somebody spreading it through a foul fart now seems plausible. I guess laughing at my neighbor trapped in an elevator in which some woman damaged the air isn't so funny after all. I am almost afraid to leave my house after hearing this glowing report: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/01/26/doctors-warn-of-new-stomach-superbug-hitting-u-s/ Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The new stomach virus, it's free and coming to a meteorite/gem show near you!
If I end up with this new stomach virus, I plan on ingesting activated charcoal and/or clay at least a few times a day. The charcoal and certain types of clays have properties which bind with all sorts of toxins, sort of like how palladium sucks up hydrogen. Just a suggestion in case anyone's interested. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson?
Considering the severity of farts, all sales of beans at the Tucson show are hereby suspended On Sun, Jan 27, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like good advice to me. Nothing a six pack of bourbon couldn't handle. My neighbor, who still feels violated and is angered by the methane Queen attack on the elevator swears that a few good whiskey shots mixed with natural honey finally allowed him to semi-recover after two weeks of lost income. This normally tough guy was reduced to a blithering germ-a-phobe after contracting the flu from the unsavory encounter which he had to explain to his now sick and angry wife. He refuses to talk much about it and would rather put the noxious incident behind him. Nasty stuff, Take care, Adam - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 27, 2013 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: OT: Flu shot before Tucson? The key here is to have an active and proactive immune response. Make your body as toxic as possible to all viral and microbial invaders. Smoke cigars, drink straight bourbon, pop vitamins. I cannot emphasize this enough - smoke like a dragon and drink like a madman. The smoke and alcohol will kill any bug foolish enough to stick around. ;) Works for me. Best regards, MikeG PS - Cohibas are good for flu. I recommend Knob Creek for stomach ailments and Maker's Mark for head colds. -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone RSS - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 - On 1/27/13, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Great, now there is a stomach virus spreading like wild-fire throughout the U.S. and a flu shot will not help. They are calling it a super bug since it can live on surfaces for weeks and as little as 18 microbes instead of 1,000 can spread it . It effects the gastrointestinal system so somebody spreading it through a foul fart now seems plausible. I guess laughing at my neighbor trapped in an elevator in which some woman damaged the air isn't so funny after all. I am almost afraid to leave my house after hearing this glowing report: http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/health/2013/01/26/doctors-warn-of-new-stomach-superbug-hitting-u-s/ Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: BENARES (a), Honolulu, LA 002 Mars, Ensisheim, Limerick, Forest City, Tabor, Luce and many other meteorites ending on ebay!
Hello Listers Thank you for taking a look at my post of meteorites I have for sale on eBay. Here is your chance to own some rare and historic meteorites. Please take a look and if you have any questions or OFFERS /or TRADES, please email me and I'll get back with you. Also if you are looking for bigger/smaller meteorites, let me know too. A meteorite is a meteorite, but a meteorite with history and a legacy, will always add aura to your meteorite collection and value. eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html Featured Meteorites 7 Historic meteorite falls LOT - Ensisheim, Tabor, Albareto, Luce, Barbotan http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218094998?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BARWELL meteorite Christmas meteorite fall/shower UK 1965- Hammer Fall! 260mg http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218508821?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BENARES A 1798 India HAMMER FALL - very rare hisroic meteorite fall! http://www.ebay.com/itm/261161360292?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 STANNERN historic meteorite fall-1808 very important and rare HED meteorite fall http://www.ebay.com/itm/261161283869?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 CHANTONNAY meteorite fell in 1812 in France. Very rare and hard to find stone! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218505819?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 HIGH POSSIL historic meteorite 1st Scotland fall - 1804 - 350g TKW VERY RARE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218505112?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 TRENZANO meteorite fall from 1856 in Italy - Rare Historic Fall. Very Rare http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218502653?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 L'AIGLE historic meteorite fall - Fell in 1803 in France which changed histroy! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251220017478?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BENLD meteorite HAMMER STONE fall broke through garage and car roof-TKW 1.7kg http://www.ebay.com/itm/261161363304?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LOS ANGELES 002 Martian/Mars meteorite 2nd USA Mars find! http://www.ebay.com/itm/261161289154?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LEIGHLINBRIDGE meteorite fall 1999 - TKW 271g from Ireland. Super Rare. http://www.ebay.com/itm/261161286671?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 BONITA SPRINGS found among skeletons in 1938 in FL USA Rare meteorite http://www.ebay.com/itm/261161285482?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 St. Louis historic meteorite SUPER RARE hammer STONE hit a moving car 1950! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251220018837?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 FOREST CITY meteorite 1890 rare historic fall -1st USA COURT CASE BATTLE! http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218123739?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 LOST CITY meteorite 1st fireball photo path in USA VERY RARE http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218504211?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 ORGUEIL meteorite, very rare historic fall-1864! HOAX meteorite of the CENTURY http://www.ebay.com/itm/251218500955?ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT_trksid=p3984.m1555.l2649 Shawn Alan IMCA 1633 eBay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/imca1633nyc/m.html http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] PA VA Long Duration Meteor ~21:30 EST 27JAN2013
Dear List, PA VA Long Duration Meteor ~21:30 EST 27JAN2013 http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/01/pa-va-long-duration-meteor-27jan2013.html Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Arispe Contributed by: Colonel Pulaerko http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
