[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day
Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: NWA 5000 TS Contributed by: Anne Black http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpod.asp __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Diggers - No Meteorites
Mike, That show, and several others, might be a little less upsetting if they did not call it Reality TV, if they were honest about it and called them Fantasy TV. If that is what kids are watching, well, I am sorry. I know that if I had kids they would not be allowed to watch that. And no I do not watch any of the shows you mentionned. I used to watch Mythbusters but they don't have enough real sciences for my taste. Sorry, but I'll have to agree with the other 2 Mikes (amazingly!) and Adam. Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com impact...@aol.com -Original Message- From: Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wed, Aug 28, 2013 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Diggers - No Meteorites Mike, Mike, Adam, et al., I think ya'll have unrealistic expectations about what a show like this should entail. It's primary purpose is entertainment, and it's primary audience is NOT hardcore relic hunters or detectorists. I invite you to create a pilot and pitch a show about metal detecting (relics, meteorites, anything) to any network. If you make it true to form it will be boring as all hell. Calling these guys childish names is so unbecoming all of you. Do any of you have kids? They love shows like this. Relax and go back to watching Swamp Loggers or Duck Dynasty or Teen Mom or whatever else you enjoy watching in your spare time. :) Michael in so. Cal. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor
Yes...amazing event again...thanks to Dirk as always for posting the videos. Graham On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Listers, One of the small things in life, but something that brings big pleasure is to have the opportunity to compliment and thank someone for their providing free gratis excitement and interest into your life. Our colleague and friend in Tokyo, Dirk Ross, tirelessly maintains his WORLD WIDE METEOR/METEORITE site gathering and posting the news,videos and photos of events we are interested in. His posting of the four extraordinary videos of the August 21st. meteor crossing the mountains and valleys near San Luis Potosi, Mexico are thrilling. The last of the four is such a classic that it will always remain in my memory bank. It is far more interesting than the video of the Great Fireball of 1972 (Gran Teton Grazer.) http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/08/san-luis-potosi-mexico-daytime-bolide.html Thank you Dirk..I understand there were sonics associated with this meteor. It would be great to find if it became a meteorite. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor
Count and Graham, Thank you both! These video files need copied onto a CD-ROM for storage; I wouldnt mind a copy if someone can get them. If this event proves to be a real bolide event, which I think that it is, it is one of the best examples since the 1970s Grand Teton, Wyoming Earth-grazing asteroid. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor Yes...amazing event again...thanks to Dirk as always for posting the videos. Graham On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Listers, One of the small things in life, but something that brings big pleasure is to have the opportunity to compliment and thank someone for their providing free gratis excitement and interest into your life. Our colleague and friend in Tokyo, Dirk Ross, tirelessly maintains his WORLD WIDE METEOR/METEORITE site gathering and posting the news,videos and photos of events we are interested in. His posting of the four extraordinary videos of the August 21st. meteor crossing the mountains and valleys near San Luis Potosi, Mexico are thrilling. The last of the four is such a classic that it will always remain in my memory bank. It is far more interesting than the video of the Great Fireball of 1972 (Gran Teton Grazer.) http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/08/san-luis-potosi-mexico-daytime-bolide.html Thank you Dirk..I understand there were sonics associated with this meteor. It would be great to find if it became a meteorite. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 123, Issue 35
The Diggers may be ok guys, but that show is complete crap. Like Farmer said, every one of those shows is staged and phony. It's nice to see some cool historical items here and there, but without the scripted drama. Can't watch it without my BP boiling. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 10:43 PM, meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com wrote: Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com You can reach the person managing the list at meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launchfrom Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour (Matson, Robert D.) 2. Re: OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launch from Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour (Alexander Seidel) 3. Re: OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launchfrom Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour (Linton Rohr) 4. Re: OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launch from Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour (Alexander Seidel) 5. Re: OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launch (Ron Baalke) 6. Re: san luis potosi, mexico daytime bolide 21AUG2013 videos (Graham Ensor) 7. 17.55 kilo Brenham slice (imca5098) 8. Re: 17.55 kilo Brenham slice (Galactic Stone Ironworks) 9. Re: 17.55 kilo Brenham slice (Luther Jackson) 10. San Luis Potosi Meteor (Count Deiro) 11. Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Greg Hup?) 12. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Galactic Stone Ironworks) 13. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Anne Black) 14. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Michael Mulgrew) 15. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Adam Hupe) 16. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Galactic Stone Ironworks) 17. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Michael Farmer) 18. Diggers - No Meteorites (Galactic Stone Ironworks) 19. Met Bulletin Update - NWA OC and USA OC. (Galactic Stone Ironworks) 20. Re: Diggers - No Meteorites (Adam Hupe) 21. Re: Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC (Michael Mulgrew) -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 09:59:51 -0700 From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Subject: [meteorite-list] OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launch from Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour To: Dan M dannysp...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: 7c640e28081aee4b952f008d1e913f17081d9...@0461-its-exmb04.us.saic.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Hi Dan/All, A live feed of the Delta 4 Heavy launch will be webcast on the ULA website starting in about 30 minutes: http://www.ulalaunch.com/site/pages/Webcast.shtml --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Dan M Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2013 2:59 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] Definitely a rocket launch Wednesday morning onWest Coast. http://www.kfiam640.com/pages/billcarroll.html?article=11606724#.Uh0gqtU dLBQ.gmail -- Message: 2 Date: Wed, 28 Aug 2013 20:18:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Seidel alex.sei...@gmx.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launch from Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID: trinity-7f7e4aef-84c1-462c-9f49-c47f4eea68c8-1377713925266@3capp-gmx-bs11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Just watched the launch via webcast - exciting! Thanks, Rob, for sharing the info. Reminds me of some old days in Florida, at the Eastern, the Atlantic coast. This one is going into a 97 deg inclination retrograde orbit, right? Hope to see it visually some time in the future on a clear night.. Thanks again, Alex Stade/Berlin, Germany Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. August 2013 um 18:59 Uhr Von: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com An: Dan M dannysp...@gmail.com, Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] OT: link for live feed of Delta 4 Heavy launch from Vandenberg AFB in 1 hour Hi Dan/All, A live feed of the Delta 4 Heavy launch will be webcast on the ULA website starting in about 30 minutes: http://www.ulalaunch.com/site/pages/Webcast.shtml --Rob -Original Message-
Re: [meteorite-list] Diggers - No Meteorites
Dont' forget about the show Honey Boo Boo Can cable T.V. dumb down any more? We don't need any more reality entertainers where anybody can be a star for a fleeting moment. What does Chunkin Pumpkins have to do with science? I enjoy real science and miss the old programming. It is sad that viewers enjoy this dumbed down crap! Gots to go find me some nectar in the BLM sector. Over and out, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor
Hi Dirk, Ask and ye shall receive! http://www.spaceballoon.org/SanLuisPotosi-28Aug2013.zip All four videos in the highest quality stream available for each compressed into one easy to digest zip file. Total about 12.5MB. --- Jodie Thursday, August 29, 2013, 1:17:25 AM, you wrote: Count and Graham, Thank you both! These video files need copied onto a CD-ROM for storage; I wouldnt mind a copy if someone can get them. If this event proves to be a real bolide event, which I think that it is, it is one of the best examples since the 1970s Grand Teton, Wyoming Earth-grazing asteroid. Best Regards, Dirk...Tokyo From: Graham Ensor graham.en...@gmail.com To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] San Luis Potosi Meteor Yes...amazing event again...thanks to Dirk as always for posting the videos. Graham On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 12:45 AM, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Hi Listers, One of the small things in life, but something that brings big pleasure is to have the opportunity to compliment and thank someone for their providing free gratis excitement and interest into your life. Our colleague and friend in Tokyo, Dirk Ross, tirelessly maintains his WORLD WIDE METEOR/METEORITE site gathering and posting the news,videos and photos of events we are interested in. His posting of the four extraordinary videos of the August 21st. meteor crossing the mountains and valleys near San Luis Potosi, Mexico are thrilling. The last of the four is such a classic that it will always remain in my memory bank. It is far more interesting than the video of the Great Fireball of 1972 (Gran Teton Grazer.) http://lunarmeteoritehunters.blogspot.jp/2013/08/san-luis-potosi-mexico-daytime-bolide.html Thank you Dirk..I understand there were sonics associated with this meteor. It would be great to find if it became a meteorite. Cordially, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Best regards, Jodiemailto:spacero...@spaceballoon.org __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NASA Mars Rover Views Eclipse of the Sun by Phobos
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?release=2013-263 NASA Mars Rover Views Eclipse of the Sun by Phobos Jet Propulsion Laboratory August 28, 2013 PASADENA, Calif. - Images taken with a telephoto-lens camera on NASA's Mars rover Curiosity catch the larger of Mars' two moons, Phobos, passing directly in front of the sun -- the sharpest images of a solar eclipse ever taken at Mars. Phobos does not fully cover the sun, as seen from the surface of Mars, so the solar eclipse is what's called a ring, or annular, type. A set of three frames from Curiosity's Mast Camera (Mastcam), taken three seconds apart as Phobos eclipsed the sun, is at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/spaceimages/details.php?id=PIA17356 . The images are the first full-resolution frames downlinked to Earth from an Aug. 17, 2013, series. The series may later provide a movie of the eclipse. Curiosity paused during its drive that day to record the sky-watching images. This event occurred near noon at Curiosity's location, which put Phobos at its closest point to the rover, appearing larger against the sun than it would at other times of day, said Mark Lemmon of Texas AM University, College Station, a co-investigator for use of Curiosity's Mastcam. This is the closest to a total eclipse of the sun that you can have from Mars. Observations of the Martian moons, Phobos and Deimos, by Curiosity and by the older, still-active Mars rover Opportunity are helping researchers get more precise knowledge of the moons' orbits. During the Aug. 17 observation, the position of Phobos crossing the sun was a mile or two (two or three kilometers) closer to the center of the sun's position than researchers anticipated. Lemmon said, This one is by far the most detailed image of any Martian lunar transit ever taken, and it is especially useful because it is annular. It was even closer to the sun's center than predicted, so we learned something. NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, manages the Mars Science Laboratory Project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. JPL designed and built the project's Curiosity rover. Malin Space Science Systems, San Diego, built and operates the Mastcam instrument and two other instruments on Curiosity. More information about Curiosity is online at http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/msl , http://www.nasa.gov/msl and http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/msl/ . You can follow the mission on Facebook at http://www.facebook.com/marscuriosity and on Twitter at http://www.twitter.com/marscuriosity . Guy Webster 818-354-6278 Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. guy.webs...@jpl.nasa.gov 2013-263 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MRO HiRISE Images: August 28, 2013
MARS RECONNAISSANCE ORBITER HIRISE IMAGES August 28, 2013 o Basin in the West Candor Chasma Layered Deposits http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_017741_1745 Wind is a powerful, erosive force, transporting fine-grain sediments that can shape topography and expose darker material underneath the surface. o Oxbows and Cutoffs in Idaeus Fossae http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_029054_2165 As rivers age they can meander and occasionally these meanders get so pronounced that the river cuts off these curving loops at their narrow end leaving them as isolated as oxbow lakes. o Breaching a Crater Rim in Tartarus Montes http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_029072_2040 In this observation, we can see a small notch in a crater rim with a well-formed channel, where lava flowed. Did the crater fill to the level of the lava outside? o Migrating and Static Sand Ripples on Mars http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_032616_1275 Having operated at Mars for more than seven years, MRO and the HiRISE camera continue to make new discoveries. One of these is that many sand dunes and ripples are moving, some at rates of several meters per year. All of the HiRISE images are archived here: http://hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ Information about the Mars Reconnaissance Orbiter is online at http://www.nasa.gov/mro. The mission is managed by NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, a division of the California Institute of Technology, for the NASA Science Mission Directorate, Washington, D.C. Lockheed Martin Space Systems, of Denver, is the prime contractor and built the spacecraft. HiRISE is operated by the University of Arizona. Ball Aerospace and Technologies Corp., of Boulder, Colo., built the HiRISE instrument. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass, etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys leave. I just went to the Diggers website (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that the historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any way. So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show. Regards, Bob L. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM To: Michael Mulgrew Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat Geo channel has sunk so low. Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink so low. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Adam and list, Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand, from the Diggers themselves) that they do not keep anything they find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect of a cable television show. You and all other treasure hunters know that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about treasure hunting and get a kick out of two wack-ohs running around and getting crazy when they find something. Any time anyone's passion/hobby is portrayed on a tv show, the real world practitioners are going to be affronted; these are not the target audiences for these types of shows. If I was the worlds greatest nose picker and someone made a show about picking noses I'm sure it would be portrayed all wrong and ruin nose picking for all of us elite and dedicated Pickers. So enjoy these shows for what they are, entertainment; they are not meant to be taken seriously. Mainstream network news (ABC/NBC/FOX/CNN/etc.) is just as fake and staged as all of these shows, and I view it in the same light. Michael in so. Cal. On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 5:21 PM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Yep, Glorieta will be the next area permanently off limits. These guys on Diggers are an embarrassment to the treasure hunting community. Treasure hunting club members that I stay in touch with cringe every episode knowing
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass, etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys leave. I just went to the Diggers website (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that the historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any way. So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show. Regards, Bob L. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM To: Michael Mulgrew Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat Geo channel has sunk so low. Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink so low. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Adam and list, Far be it from me to defend anything on tv, but I do know (first hand, from the Diggers themselves) that they do not keep anything they find, it all goes to the land owners, and that their goofy terms have roots in the DVDs these guys originally made years ago and are used solely for entertainment purposes, i.e. another over-produced aspect of a cable television show. You and all other treasure hunters know that these terms are fake, but that's ok because those terms aren't for you, they're for the general public at home who know nothing about treasure hunting and get a
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
Sales of all roundness, nectar, and pocks are hereby suspended until further notice... BTW - I have one of Kit Carson's used toothpicks for sale - $1,000,000.00, contact me off-list if interested. (PS - the toothpick is not nectar, it's swag) Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass, etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys leave. I just went to the Diggers website (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that the historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any way. So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show. Regards, Bob L. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM To: Michael Mulgrew Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat Geo channel has sunk so low. Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink so low. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael
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Michael Farmer, why is posing a could be statement stupid? They say could be because those things could be true. They're probably not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to the producers and express your displeasure. It could be that you do not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a could be statement, too. Such a vicious circle. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass, etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys leave. I just went to the Diggers website (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that the historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any way. So there is probably more to all of this than what we see
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Mike, What, your not going to cancel your next meteorite fall hunting trip in order to stay home and watch the Diggers and Honey Boo Boo marathons? I can't think of a better edumucation It seems there are too many channels on cable and these cheaply produced shows that rerun dozens of items each act as filler. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass, etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys leave. I just went to the Diggers website (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and that the historical value of artifacts and local sites isn't compromised in any way. So there is probably more to all of this than what we see on the show. Regards, Bob L. -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 9:05 PM To: Michael Mulgrew Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Jesus Christ, this show is horrible, I cant even believe that the Nat Geo channel has sunk so low. Yeah, a crushed thimble worth $15! Good luck on getting a nickel out of anything these morons find. It is sad to see these reality shows sink so low. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 28, 2013, at 7:43 PM, Michael Mulgrew
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I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want to hear about happy things, little puppies and Hannibal Nectar's lost razor blade:) Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this garbage. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Farmer, why is posing a could be statement stupid? They say could be because those things could be true. They're probably not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to the producers and express your displeasure. It could be that you do not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a could be statement, too. Such a vicious circle. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that
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Yeah, no, actually no, I will not be taking cameras in tow, Ill just do my thing and bring home meteorites to fill museum, scientific, and collectors collections. I won't be having cameras following me and having me plant meteorites all over the place and pretend to dig them up. Ive already been through that BS and it makes you want to take a shower afterwards. There is nothing wrong with having fun on a tv program, there is something wrong with presenting total garbage as fact and generally acting like an idiot for the cameras unless it is a Jim Carrey comedy. Sorry, but I call it like I see it. Truly one of the worst shows I've ever seen, thats my opinion and I'm sticking to it:) Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:37 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Mike, What, your not going to cancel your next meteorite fall hunting trip in order to stay home and watch the Diggers and Honey Boo Boo marathons? I can't think of a better edumucation It seems there are too many channels on cable and these cheaply produced shows that rerun dozens of items each act as filler. Adam From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 9:47 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and cool old stuff). Yes, they are extremely over-hyped by the producers, but they are just entertainment. And I think Diggers is the least over-to-top when it comes to how much something can be worth. In one of the episodes this week, they found a really old button (possibly from the late 1700s) and they said it was worth around $15. If that was on Meteorite Men or Prospectors, they would've added two more zeros to the end of that number! I have seen 5 or 6 episodes of Diggers and they have never priced anything more than $100 that I can remember. Although I don't know what most historical items should be priced at, I've agreed with the pricing from an outsider's point of view. Would I pay $50 for a 150-year-old belt buckle in pretty good condition that might've been worn by Kit Carson or Billie the Kid? Sure! Would I pay $500? Heck no... unless there was really good evidence that one of them DID wear it. So I think a lot of the pricing on Diggers is not too far from a reasonable amount. A few items that they have found in past episodes had lower prices than I had expected, things that I thought were kind of cool looking, so I was actually PROUD of the producers for doing the right thing and not putting a hefty price tag on them. The guys on Diggers are really goofy, but that's the nature of the beast (i.e. TV shows). They are annoying, but seem like good guys out having fun, doing what they love to do. Just like Geoff and Steve on MM. Sometimes annoying, but we still love them on their show. And like Michael Mulgrew said, the Diggers guys don't keep what they find. I agree with others that they really should do more explaining on each episode (e.g. we got permission to dig here, make sure you get permission to dig wherever you go) and dig their holes/flaps correctly to prevent erosion, dead grass, etc. I'm sure they fill in their holes, so I wouldn't worry about someone (or an animal) breaking their leg by stepping in a hole after these guys leave. I just went to the Diggers website (http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/channel/diggers/) and saw this: As the show's production archaeologist Kate Culpepper ensures that Diggers adheres to the strict standards of ethical metal detecting, and
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Discovery, Learning Channel, and AE are wastelands of tripe now. I remember when TLC had learning on it. I remember when Discovery was about science. I remember when AE had arts on it. Now it's Dog the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian channel is getting a little dodgy. I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless binoculars that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless junk on their readers and viewers. I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt. Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into File 13. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want to hear about happy things, little puppies and Hannibal Nectar's lost razor blade:) Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this garbage. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Farmer, why is posing a could be statement stupid? They say could be because those things could be true. They're probably not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to the producers and express your displeasure. It could be that you do not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a could be statement, too. Such a vicious circle. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 9:09 AM, Bob Loeffler bloeff...@peaktopeak.com wrote: I hate most of the reality TV shows that have been on for the last 20 years or so, but I do end up watching Diggers, Prospectors, Meteorite Men and Gold Rush every now and then because they are all related to my favorite hobbies (digging for mineral crystals, meteorites and
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Yes, I agree 100%. And since this show was not about meteorites, perhaps we can drop the topic, though it does affect us in many ways. Meteorite and treasure hunting do overlap. It seems the dumbing down of America is complete. Paris Hilton is laughing all the way to the bank. Michael Farmer On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Discovery, Learning Channel, and AE are wastelands of tripe now. I remember when TLC had learning on it. I remember when Discovery was about science. I remember when AE had arts on it. Now it's Dog the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian channel is getting a little dodgy. I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless binoculars that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless junk on their readers and viewers. I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt. Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into File 13. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want to hear about happy things, little puppies and Hannibal Nectar's lost razor blade:) Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this garbage. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Farmer, why is posing a could be statement stupid? They say could be because those things could be true. They're probably not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to the producers and express your displeasure. It could be that you do not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a could be statement, too. Such a vicious circle. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
The one thing we can agree on is the lack of quality network and cable television. I concur with ending this topic on that note. http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3275/ocyb.jpg Now back to our meteorites, Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:10 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: Yes, I agree 100%. And since this show was not about meteorites, perhaps we can drop the topic, though it does affect us in many ways. Meteorite and treasure hunting do overlap. It seems the dumbing down of America is complete. Paris Hilton is laughing all the way to the bank. Michael Farmer On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:04 AM, Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Discovery, Learning Channel, and AE are wastelands of tripe now. I remember when TLC had learning on it. I remember when Discovery was about science. I remember when AE had arts on it. Now it's Dog the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian channel is getting a little dodgy. I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless binoculars that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless junk on their readers and viewers. I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt. Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into File 13. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want to hear about happy things, little puppies and Hannibal Nectar's lost razor blade:) Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this garbage. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Farmer, why is posing a could be statement stupid? They say could be because those things could be true. They're probably not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to the producers and express your displeasure. It could be that you do not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a could be statement, too. Such a vicious circle. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake,
[meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales
Hi All, If anyone is interested, for the past 6 months I've been compiling the closing prices, masses and sellers of eBay Chelyabinsk meteorite sales in an Excel spreadsheet. The dataset is quite large now (1250 points) and includes all eBay sales of Chelyabinsk masses greater than or equal to 3 grams. (Best-offer sales were not included since that price is not reported by eBay.) There were a few sales that did not provide masses (though clearly higher than my 3-gram cutoff), but since I was interested in tracking the price-per-gram metric, I excluded them. A summary: Total auctions: 1250 Period covered: 2/27/2013 - 8/28/2013 Total mass: 22192.6 grams Total cost: $248,393 Average price-per-gram: $11.19 Since price-per-gram obviously depends a great deal on the quality of the specimen (percentage of crust, overall shape, degree of weathering, whether IMB or not, evidence of orientation, presence of flow lines or roll-over lips, etc.) I tried to add notes for each sale estimating the percentage of crust, presence of weathering, whether the specimen appeared to be an IMB, or anything else I thought relevant. If enough people are interested in the spreadsheet, rather than email it individually to each person perhaps someone can host it for me. Having spent over 30 hours over the last 6 months compiling all this data, I probably won't continue to update it much longer. I figured the nearly quarter-million-dollar sales mark was a good hopping off point to mention it on the List. I think you'll find the master plot of the PPG over time quite interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most detailed price history of a meteorite ever constructed. Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode, Tonight NGC
Hi folks, I have to agree, the show is terrible. Reality TV is all such a farce and unfortunately for us the masses(tm) love them because they keep finding new ways to make more of this garbage. Yes, maybe they are nice guys. Do these shows even run disclaimers that they're BS? Like Mike I too can't believe Nat Geo sunk so low. Regards! Tom __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
Hello All, I feel I must apologize to the meteorite community for ever mentioning the Diggers detecting show yesterday. Since they were going to be hunting at Glorieta and mentioned, Finding Civil War relics and 'other' treasures, I was hoping they would show them finding a meteorite. I have been to Glorieta many times and was also hoping to see some of the ground we all covered over the years... nope. I will depart now and try to find something worthy to make up for the commotion my post has created... Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:48 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Hello All, There is a metal detecting show on the National Geographic Channel (NGC) tonight at 9:00 PM EST where the guys are at Glorieta, NM hunting for a 'variety' of treasures. the show is called, Diggers. It will be interesting to see if they find any meteorites!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
It is a good thing, nothing wrong with discussions, even heated ones. Since many of us hunt the Glorieta strewn-field, it is imperative that we know what is going on up there. Sadly I predict hoards of people with their wal-mart detectors trashing the place, perhaps a ban on hunters altogether. It was worth a try and and I'm glad you let people know about upcoming programs, always happy to get a heads up about things that we might miss in this busy modern world. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hello All, I feel I must apologize to the meteorite community for ever mentioning the Diggers detecting show yesterday. Since they were going to be hunting at Glorieta and mentioned, Finding Civil War relics and 'other' treasures, I was hoping they would show them finding a meteorite. I have been to Glorieta many times and was also hoping to see some of the ground we all covered over the years... nope. I will depart now and try to find something worthy to make up for the commotion my post has created... Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:48 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Hello All, There is a metal detecting show on the National Geographic Channel (NGC) tonight at 9:00 PM EST where the guys are at Glorieta, NM hunting for a 'variety' of treasures. the show is called, Diggers. It will be interesting to see if they find any meteorites!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales
That is amazing work Robert, I would love to see it. Millions were spent on Chelyabinsk worldwide, that's for sure. The mexico event last week could easily have been just as large or larger based on the videos so far released, but it seems most likely the meteoroid skipped back out into space! It would have been amazing to have had to massive events in the same year, must like Allende and Murchison in 69. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Hi All, If anyone is interested, for the past 6 months I've been compiling the closing prices, masses and sellers of eBay Chelyabinsk meteorite sales in an Excel spreadsheet. The dataset is quite large now (1250 points) and includes all eBay sales of Chelyabinsk masses greater than or equal to 3 grams. (Best-offer sales were not included since that price is not reported by eBay.) There were a few sales that did not provide masses (though clearly higher than my 3-gram cutoff), but since I was interested in tracking the price-per-gram metric, I excluded them. A summary: Total auctions: 1250 Period covered: 2/27/2013 - 8/28/2013 Total mass: 22192.6 grams Total cost: $248,393 Average price-per-gram: $11.19 Since price-per-gram obviously depends a great deal on the quality of the specimen (percentage of crust, overall shape, degree of weathering, whether IMB or not, evidence of orientation, presence of flow lines or roll-over lips, etc.) I tried to add notes for each sale estimating the percentage of crust, presence of weathering, whether the specimen appeared to be an IMB, or anything else I thought relevant. If enough people are interested in the spreadsheet, rather than email it individually to each person perhaps someone can host it for me. Having spent over 30 hours over the last 6 months compiling all this data, I probably won't continue to update it much longer. I figured the nearly quarter-million-dollar sales mark was a good hopping off point to mention it on the List. I think you'll find the master plot of the PPG over time quite interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most detailed price history of a meteorite ever constructed. Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Harvey Nininger interview audio 1976
Hi all, I just ran across an in-depth interview with H.H. Nininger from 1976. Perhaps this has been discussed before, but it was new to me, and quite interesting. The audio quality isn't great, but I've only ever run across one other short excerpt of a recorded interview with him previously. Here's the link to a transcript and free audio download: http://archive.library.nau.edu/cdm/ref/collection/cpa/id/64397 Doug Ross d...@dougross.net __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
Hi, Greg. No apologies necessary, a little friendly discourse on a tangential topic is always stimulating. Imagine what a boring place this would be if we all agreed with each other on every subject? Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hello All, I feel I must apologize to the meteorite community for ever mentioning the Diggers detecting show yesterday. Since they were going to be hunting at Glorieta and mentioned, Finding Civil War relics and 'other' treasures, I was hoping they would show them finding a meteorite. I have been to Glorieta many times and was also hoping to see some of the ground we all covered over the years... nope. I will depart now and try to find something worthy to make up for the commotion my post has created... Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:48 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Hello All, There is a metal detecting show on the National Geographic Channel (NGC) tonight at 9:00 PM EST where the guys are at Glorieta, NM hunting for a 'variety' of treasures. the show is called, Diggers. It will be interesting to see if they find any meteorites!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC
This certainly brought out the Mikes on the List. LOL. Best regards, Mike #322 -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Greg. No apologies necessary, a little friendly discourse on a tangential topic is always stimulating. Imagine what a boring place this would be if we all agreed with each other on every subject? Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 11:31 AM, Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net wrote: Hello All, I feel I must apologize to the meteorite community for ever mentioning the Diggers detecting show yesterday. Since they were going to be hunting at Glorieta and mentioned, Finding Civil War relics and 'other' treasures, I was hoping they would show them finding a meteorite. I have been to Glorieta many times and was also hoping to see some of the ground we all covered over the years... nope. I will depart now and try to find something worthy to make up for the commotion my post has created... Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:48 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Hello All, There is a metal detecting show on the National Geographic Channel (NGC) tonight at 9:00 PM EST where the guys are at Glorieta, NM hunting for a 'variety' of treasures. the show is called, Diggers. It will be interesting to see if they find any meteorites!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales
Hi Rob, This is awesome. Some of the numbers are interesting, if not surprising. Average cost per gram is about typical for OC falls in Russia - a little less than US/Canada/Europe falls and more than most Saharan falls. However, given the global attention Chelya received and the massive shockwave (a first of this scale in modern history, second only to Carancas.), the price seems a like a bargain for collectors. $11/gram for an unprecedented fall - if the Chelya body had exploded lower in the atmosphere, the effects would have been catastrophic. Windows blown out for miles. Building collapsed. Thousands of injured witnesses. Captured world attention for months and is still getting press. It's gorgeous when cut. It's gorgeous when fresh and uncut. It's arguably a hammer fall - surely something was struck by that widespread shower of stones, and if not, the shockwave damage should qualify for collector hammer purposes. This fall has everything collectors want and it was a global wake-up call for the entire world to be more cognizant of the other small asteroids/comets targeting our fragile blue marble. At $11/g, this is a steal. Of course, as you said Rob, this number itself doesn't take into account the notations you made about quality/type of material, and this material shows a lot of faces - fresh, weathered, IMB lithology, regular lithology, dual lithology, anomalous specimens (inclusions, weirdness), cut and uncut. I am guessing the $11/g number is seen with a few lucky eBay snipers and/or the more weathered and less attractive pieces. Myself, I have paid up to $40 a gram for Chelyabinsk - depending on the situation. I paid $40/g for gorgeous beautiful uncut stones that were almost-pristine and free of oxidation. I paid substantially less for tiny crumbs or weathered frags. 22.1 kilos seems a bit small for a fall that likely produced much more material on the ground than the eBay total suggests. (who knows what is sitting at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul, rotting in the chilly muck.) Of course, this is still a useful number because it can be compiled with known quantities that entered the market outside of eBay - some of which likely ended up being flipped on eBay. Nice work Rob. I'd love to see the spreadsheet. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Hi All, If anyone is interested, for the past 6 months I've been compiling the closing prices, masses and sellers of eBay Chelyabinsk meteorite sales in an Excel spreadsheet. The dataset is quite large now (1250 points) and includes all eBay sales of Chelyabinsk masses greater than or equal to 3 grams. (Best-offer sales were not included since that price is not reported by eBay.) There were a few sales that did not provide masses (though clearly higher than my 3-gram cutoff), but since I was interested in tracking the price-per-gram metric, I excluded them. A summary: Total auctions: 1250 Period covered: 2/27/2013 - 8/28/2013 Total mass: 22192.6 grams Total cost: $248,393 Average price-per-gram: $11.19 Since price-per-gram obviously depends a great deal on the quality of the specimen (percentage of crust, overall shape, degree of weathering, whether IMB or not, evidence of orientation, presence of flow lines or roll-over lips, etc.) I tried to add notes for each sale estimating the percentage of crust, presence of weathering, whether the specimen appeared to be an IMB, or anything else I thought relevant. If enough people are interested in the spreadsheet, rather than email it individually to each person perhaps someone can host it for me. Having spent over 30 hours over the last 6 months compiling all this data, I probably won't continue to update it much longer. I figured the nearly quarter-million-dollar sales mark was a good hopping off point to mention it on the List. I think you'll find the master plot of the PPG over time quite interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most detailed price history of a meteorite ever constructed. Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Earth Life 'May Have Come From Mars'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-23872765 Earth Life 'May Have Come From Mars' By Simon Redfern BBC News August 28, 2013 Life may have started on Mars before arriving on Earth, a major scientific conference has heard. New research supports an idea that the Red Planet was a better place to kick-start biology billions of years ago than the early Earth was. The evidence is based on how the first molecules necessary for life were assembled. Details of the theory were outlined by Prof Steven Benner at the Goldschmidt Meeting in Florence, Italy. Scientists have long wondered how atoms first came together to make up the three crucial molecular components of living organisms: RNA, DNA and proteins. The molecules that combined to form genetic material are far more complex than the primordial pre-biotic soup of organic (carbon-based) chemicals thought to have existed on the Earth more than three billion years ago, and RNA (ribonucleic acid) is thought to have been the first of them to appear. Simply adding energy such as heat or light to the more basic organic molecules in the soup does not generate RNA. Instead, it generates tar. RNA needs to be coaxed into shape by templating atoms at the crystalline surfaces of minerals. The minerals most effective at templating RNA would have dissolved in the oceans of the early Earth, but would have been more abundant on Mars, according to Prof Benner. Red or dead This could suggest that life started on the Red Planet before being transported to Earth on meteorites, argues Prof Benner, of the Westheimer Institute of Science and Technology in Gainesville, US. The idea that life originated on Mars and was then transported to our planet has been mooted before. But Prof Benner's ideas add another twist to the theory of a Martian origin for the terrestrial biosphere. Here in Florence, Prof Benner presented results that suggest minerals containing the elements boron and molybdenum are key in assembling atoms into life-forming molecules. The researcher points out that boron minerals help carbohydrate rings to form from pre-biotic chemicals, and then molybdenum takes that intermediate molecule and rearranges it to form ribose, and hence RNA. This raises problems for how life began on Earth, since the early Earth is thought to have been unsuitable for the formation of the necessary boron and molybdenum minerals. It is thought that the boron minerals needed to form RNA from pre-biotic soups were not available on early Earth in sufficient quantity, and the molybdenum minerals were not available in the correct chemical form. Prof Benner explained: It's only when molybdenum becomes highly oxidised that it is able to influence how early life formed. This form of molybdenum couldn't have been available on Earth at the time life first began, because three billion years ago, the surface of the Earth had very little oxygen, but Mars did. It's yet another piece of evidence which makes it more likely life came to Earth on a Martian meteorite, rather than starting on this planet. Early Mars is also thought to have had a drier environment, and this is also crucial to its favourable location for life's origins. What's quite clear is that boron, as an element, is quite scarce in Earth's crust, Prof Benner told BBC News, but Mars has been drier than Earth and more oxidising, so if Earth is not suitable for the chemistry, Mars might be. The evidence seems to be building that we are actually all Martians; that life started on Mars and came to Earth on a rock, he commented. It's lucky that we ended up here, nevertheless - as certainly Earth has been the better of the two planets for sustaining life. If our hypothetical Martian ancestors had remained on Mars, there may not have been a story to tell. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Link to Chelyabinsk eBay price history
Hi All, Jim Wooddell sent a message which I thought went to the list, but I think it might not have been in plaintext so it may have gotten held up. In any case, the Chelyabinsk price spreadsheet is up on his website at the following link: http://pages.suddenlink.net/chondrule/Rob_Matson/Chelyabinsk_Prices.xlsx Thanks Jim! --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rob Matson's Chelyabinsk Market Data
Team Meteorite: This excellent work contributed by Rob confirms an historic trend regarding meteorite pricing that is indicative of the overall financial nature of collecting new falls. Some will always pay the most to get the first available specimens of a fall. Others will wait until the market is sated and grab pieces at the lowest price. This could even be a dealer's own special specimen that he'll sell to recover capital for the next 'big thing'. Those of us that worried that little would be recovered from this fall paid US$60-80/gm for the first marketed specimens. Moreover, the price/gm was bumped by an unusual long lag time before the first fragments surfaced on the market. Additionally, due to the source country, others eager to purchase may have been dubious of the authenticity of these first offerings adding to the allure. Factors in these buyers purchase decisions were valid at that moment. Certainly, these first offered pieces would be the freshest (W=0). Some dreamed that they would be the only ones ever found of an incredibly publicized and therefore historic fall. Maybe they would be a C1 or Mars or Lunar or fragments from Pluto or Mercury or Earth itself. But patient collectors have been rewarded by an ever lower 'ask price'. It's 'just' an LL5. We all roll the dice and hope for 'sevens'. That's the nature of falls. But now we learn that Chely has special sauces such that a careful collector will not only want 100% crusted indis, a nice slice, a thin section, but will seek out an alternate lithology. Wow. Somewhere on an 'importance scale' between Allende and Campo lies this little babushka. And it's Russian. With no apologies to Lenin or Stalin or Putin, it's The People's Meteorite. It's locally for sale for cash. That's so stellar sweet in a 'shock stage S4' capitalistic way. Related to my next edition (2015) of The Global Meteorite Price Report I have an active contest ending December, 2014 with contestants guessing the 'average dealer price' of this met at that time. I have a long list of contestants. There are prizes :) But I must admit- already begging your future indulgence- that determining the 'average dealer price' for a gram of Chely will probably be more subjective than I ever imagined... Kevin Kichinka mars...@gmail.com www.theartofcollectingmeteorites.com The Global Meteorite Price Report - 2013 Rio de Oro, Santa Ana, Costa Rica __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales
Howdy List, Regarding Chelyabinsk specimens and their varying prices and more: I wasn't able to go there, and in another situation we all may have...but I bought one stone from Michael, and a variety of peas from Rob, simply because THEY were there, part of the recovery story. I was willing to (gladly) agree to terms (both extremely competitive and reasonable) because of their story behind the recovery. Meteorites, and their recovery. Nice pedigree Richard M - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales Hi Rob, This is awesome. Some of the numbers are interesting, if not surprising. Average cost per gram is about typical for OC falls in Russia - a little less than US/Canada/Europe falls and more than most Saharan falls. However, given the global attention Chelya received and the massive shockwave (a first of this scale in modern history, second only to Carancas.), the price seems a like a bargain for collectors. $11/gram for an unprecedented fall - if the Chelya body had exploded lower in the atmosphere, the effects would have been catastrophic. Windows blown out for miles. Building collapsed. Thousands of injured witnesses. Captured world attention for months and is still getting press. It's gorgeous when cut. It's gorgeous when fresh and uncut. It's arguably a hammer fall - surely something was struck by that widespread shower of stones, and if not, the shockwave damage should qualify for collector hammer purposes. This fall has everything collectors want and it was a global wake-up call for the entire world to be more cognizant of the other small asteroids/comets targeting our fragile blue marble. At $11/g, this is a steal. Of course, as you said Rob, this number itself doesn't take into account the notations you made about quality/type of material, and this material shows a lot of faces - fresh, weathered, IMB lithology, regular lithology, dual lithology, anomalous specimens (inclusions, weirdness), cut and uncut. I am guessing the $11/g number is seen with a few lucky eBay snipers and/or the more weathered and less attractive pieces. Myself, I have paid up to $40 a gram for Chelyabinsk - depending on the situation. I paid $40/g for gorgeous beautiful uncut stones that were almost-pristine and free of oxidation. I paid substantially less for tiny crumbs or weathered frags. 22.1 kilos seems a bit small for a fall that likely produced much more material on the ground than the eBay total suggests. (who knows what is sitting at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul, rotting in the chilly muck.) Of course, this is still a useful number because it can be compiled with known quantities that entered the market outside of eBay - some of which likely ended up being flipped on eBay. Nice work Rob. I'd love to see the spreadsheet. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Hi All, If anyone is interested, for the past 6 months I've been compiling the closing prices, masses and sellers of eBay Chelyabinsk meteorite sales in an Excel spreadsheet. The dataset is quite large now (1250 points) and includes all eBay sales of Chelyabinsk masses greater than or equal to 3 grams. (Best-offer sales were not included since that price is not reported by eBay.) There were a few sales that did not provide masses (though clearly higher than my 3-gram cutoff), but since I was interested in tracking the price-per-gram metric, I excluded them. A summary: Total auctions: 1250 Period covered: 2/27/2013 - 8/28/2013 Total mass: 22192.6 grams Total cost: $248,393 Average price-per-gram: $11.19 Since price-per-gram obviously depends a great deal on the quality of the specimen (percentage of crust, overall shape, degree of weathering, whether IMB or not, evidence of orientation, presence of flow lines or roll-over lips, etc.) I tried to add notes for each sale estimating the percentage of crust, presence of weathering, whether the specimen appeared to be an IMB, or anything else I thought relevant. If enough people are interested in the spreadsheet, rather than email it individually to each person perhaps someone can host it for me. Having spent over 30 hours over the last 6 months compiling all this data, I probably won't continue to update it much longer. I figured the nearly quarter-million-dollar sales mark was a good hopping off point to mention it on the List. I think you'll find the master plot of the PPG
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales
Nice skipper bolide, eh? Like the Grand Teton photo... There must've been something very interesting on that train to have the camera rolling -Richard M - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 11:38 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales That is amazing work Robert, I would love to see it. Millions were spent on Chelyabinsk worldwide, that's for sure. The mexico event last week could easily have been just as large or larger based on the videos so far released, but it seems most likely the meteoroid skipped back out into space! It would have been amazing to have had to massive events in the same year, must like Allende and Murchison in 69. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 11:26 AM, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Hi All, If anyone is interested, for the past 6 months I've been compiling the closing prices, masses and sellers of eBay Chelyabinsk meteorite sales in an Excel spreadsheet. The dataset is quite large now (1250 points) and includes all eBay sales of Chelyabinsk masses greater than or equal to 3 grams. (Best-offer sales were not included since that price is not reported by eBay.) There were a few sales that did not provide masses (though clearly higher than my 3-gram cutoff), but since I was interested in tracking the price-per-gram metric, I excluded them. A summary: Total auctions: 1250 Period covered: 2/27/2013 - 8/28/2013 Total mass: 22192.6 grams Total cost: $248,393 Average price-per-gram: $11.19 Since price-per-gram obviously depends a great deal on the quality of the specimen (percentage of crust, overall shape, degree of weathering, whether IMB or not, evidence of orientation, presence of flow lines or roll-over lips, etc.) I tried to add notes for each sale estimating the percentage of crust, presence of weathering, whether the specimen appeared to be an IMB, or anything else I thought relevant. If enough people are interested in the spreadsheet, rather than email it individually to each person perhaps someone can host it for me. Having spent over 30 hours over the last 6 months compiling all this data, I probably won't continue to update it much longer. I figured the nearly quarter-million-dollar sales mark was a good hopping off point to mention it on the List. I think you'll find the master plot of the PPG over time quite interesting, and I wouldn't be surprised if this is the most detailed price history of a meteorite ever constructed. Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales
Hi Richard, Spot on and right. Same here. Buying directly from the finder cannot be beat for provenance purposes. It doesn't get better than that. Buying directly from a finder who publicly documented their entire trip, every step of the way (including the vodka hangovers!), is priceless. It's well worth an increased premium to have that extra story, photos, and details that can only come straight from the finder. Good stuff there. :) In fairness, I have bought from middle-men and dealers also, and have gotten some great deals. But I really don't mind paying more for having that extra documentation and provenance that only comes directly from the finder. Best regards and happy huntings, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Howdy List, Regarding Chelyabinsk specimens and their varying prices and more: I wasn't able to go there, and in another situation we all may have...but I bought one stone from Michael, and a variety of peas from Rob, simply because THEY were there, part of the recovery story. I was willing to (gladly) agree to terms (both extremely competitive and reasonable) because of their story behind the recovery. Meteorites, and their recovery. Nice pedigree Richard M - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Chelyabinsk: six months of eBay sales Hi Rob, This is awesome. Some of the numbers are interesting, if not surprising. Average cost per gram is about typical for OC falls in Russia - a little less than US/Canada/Europe falls and more than most Saharan falls. However, given the global attention Chelya received and the massive shockwave (a first of this scale in modern history, second only to Carancas.), the price seems a like a bargain for collectors. $11/gram for an unprecedented fall - if the Chelya body had exploded lower in the atmosphere, the effects would have been catastrophic. Windows blown out for miles. Building collapsed. Thousands of injured witnesses. Captured world attention for months and is still getting press. It's gorgeous when cut. It's gorgeous when fresh and uncut. It's arguably a hammer fall - surely something was struck by that widespread shower of stones, and if not, the shockwave damage should qualify for collector hammer purposes. This fall has everything collectors want and it was a global wake-up call for the entire world to be more cognizant of the other small asteroids/comets targeting our fragile blue marble. At $11/g, this is a steal. Of course, as you said Rob, this number itself doesn't take into account the notations you made about quality/type of material, and this material shows a lot of faces - fresh, weathered, IMB lithology, regular lithology, dual lithology, anomalous specimens (inclusions, weirdness), cut and uncut. I am guessing the $11/g number is seen with a few lucky eBay snipers and/or the more weathered and less attractive pieces. Myself, I have paid up to $40 a gram for Chelyabinsk - depending on the situation. I paid $40/g for gorgeous beautiful uncut stones that were almost-pristine and free of oxidation. I paid substantially less for tiny crumbs or weathered frags. 22.1 kilos seems a bit small for a fall that likely produced much more material on the ground than the eBay total suggests. (who knows what is sitting at the bottom of Lake Chebarkul, rotting in the chilly muck.) Of course, this is still a useful number because it can be compiled with known quantities that entered the market outside of eBay - some of which likely ended up being flipped on eBay. Nice work Rob. I'd love to see the spreadsheet. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Hi All, If anyone is interested, for the past 6 months I've been compiling the closing prices, masses and sellers of eBay Chelyabinsk meteorite sales in an Excel spreadsheet. The dataset is quite large now (1250 points) and includes all eBay sales of Chelyabinsk masses greater than or equal to 3 grams. (Best-offer sales were not included since that price is not reported by eBay.) There were a few sales that
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt -
WELL SAID MIKEGAND DITTO! Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com Sent: Aug 29, 2013 11:04 AM To: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com Cc: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Discovery, Learning Channel, and AE are wastelands of tripe now. I remember when TLC had learning on it. I remember when Discovery was about science. I remember when AE had arts on it. Now it's Dog the Bounty Hunter and Pawn Stars. The networks are giving people what they apparently want - and that is a trainwreck of rednecks acting out contrived situations and scripted dialogue. Even the Smithsonian channel is getting a little dodgy. I see commercials on Smithsonian and Nat Geo for worthless binoculars that aren't worth 10 cents and they claim to be the best optical bargain on the planet - the choice of sportsmen around the world! (Order now and get a second set of useless pseudo-binoculars for just processing and handling!) - Any network with an ounce of scientific integrity (or any integrity) would refuse those advertisements - but that would mean turning away easy money from advertisers with deep pockets. The same goes for their print magazines - they should be ashamed of themselves for pushing worthless junk on their readers and viewers. I take everything I see on these channels with a block of salt. Well, these diggers and pickers have gotten more discussion time than they are worth. I vote for ending this thread and putting it into File 13. Best regards, MikeG -- - Web - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone Twitter - http://twitter.com/GalacticStone Pinterest - http://pinterest.com/galacticstone - On 8/29/13, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: I guess I am just not in tune with the dreamers out there. It could have been Napoleon's powder horn as well, but it wasn't and so pretending that it might have been is dumb. Sorry to be so hard on your buddies, but this show sucks, and it makes those of us who carry a metal detector look like buffoons. Why am I not entitled to voice my opinion? I guess you only want to hear about happy things, little puppies and Hannibal Nectar's lost razor blade:) Yes, Nat Geo channel sucks too, showing this crap. It makes me want to stop donating money to the organization, clearly they have plenty to produce this garbage. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at 10:33 AM, Michael Mulgrew mikest...@gmail.com wrote: Michael Farmer, why is posing a could be statement stupid? They say could be because those things could be true. They're probably not, but it's fun to hypothesize and use your imagination. You could be an asshole, but I don't know you other than what you write to this list. The only stupid thing I see here is grown men getting their panties in a bunch over an entertaining TV show. Write a letter to the producers and express your displeasure. It could be that you do not understand how television production works. Maybe you would enjoy some of NatGeo's other fine programming, such as Doomsday Castle, American Chainsaw, Are You Tougher Than a Boy Scout, Beast Hunter, Family Beef, or Chasing UFOs? And no, I do not think the BLM's meteorite memo had anything to do with what happened on a cable television show. Last I checked the Federal Government does not use television shows as a basis for official policy. It is much more likely that their policies were a result of real-world conflicts that happened on BLM land with real life meteorite hunters and recent falls that occurred just prior to the policy having been drafted. But wait, your conjecture is a could be statement, too. Such a vicious circle. Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Aug 29, 2013 at 9:47 AM, Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: It is just really stupid to say that this could be Kitt Carson's powder horn or Nectar Hannibal's razor-blade. This is entertainment for the lowest end of the spectrum. It belongs on MTV after Real World, not on National Geographic. I want the hour I wasted last night back! I would have been better off looking for scorpions in my backyard than watching this phony drivel. I also love metal detecting, gold mining, and meteorite hunting, Ive done them all, successfully. These shows are so contrived, so fake, so over the top full of crap that they are destroying these hobbies. Why do you think the BLM suddenly focused on meteorites and shut down collecting unless you go through years of paperwork? Could it be the idiotic prices quoted on certain shows telling people they could make thousands on every fragment of rock picked up? Michael Farmer Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2013, at
Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt -
Hi Greg, Relax! You don't need to apologize to anyone. Have a beer and forget those SAG/AFTRA members. You know what would be cool if you still insist on doing aomething worthy? Find the first United States lunarexactly 9.99 lbs..in the front lawn of the BLM'S Mohave Desert Management office in Barstow! Your friend, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé gmh...@centurylink.net Sent: Aug 29, 2013 11:31 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Hello All, I feel I must apologize to the meteorite community for ever mentioning the Diggers detecting show yesterday. Since they were going to be hunting at Glorieta and mentioned, Finding Civil War relics and 'other' treasures, I was hoping they would show them finding a meteorite. I have been to Glorieta many times and was also hoping to see some of the ground we all covered over the years... nope. I will depart now and try to find something worthy to make up for the commotion my post has created... Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault -Original Message- From: Greg Hupé Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2013 7:48 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Glorieta Hunt - Diggers episode Tonight NGC Hello All, There is a metal detecting show on the National Geographic Channel (NGC) tonight at 9:00 PM EST where the guys are at Glorieta, NM hunting for a 'variety' of treasures. the show is called, Diggers. It will be interesting to see if they find any meteorites!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupé The Hupé Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.NaturesVault.net (Online Catalog Reference Site) www.LunarRock.com (Online Planetary Meteorite Site) NaturesVault (Facebook, Pinterest eBay) http://www.facebook.com/NaturesVault http://pinterest.com/NaturesVault IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
