Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

He made it our business. 
You've been here what?, a year or so? 

Michael Farmer

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:53 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just heard back from CML about this, and they are analyzing it.  Time to back 
> off from John Pierce and let he and the lab sort it out.  It's none of our 
> business right now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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>> On 7/2/16 at 12:40 PM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> 
>> OK, photos.
>> I'm not the most computer literate person.
>> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
>> 
>> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
>> 
>> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
>> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
>> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
>> 
>> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
>> 
>> John Pierce
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Let’s see a picture of this Iron.
>>> -Paul G
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ---
>>> ---
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
>>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
>>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hello All,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
>>> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
>>> subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
>>> Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
>>> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
>>> the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
>>> answer to my question.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
>>> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
>>> They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to
>>> know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water
>>> as a coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
>>> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
>>> like to be a circular blade.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Kind regards,
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[PolandMET via Meteorite-list]

This list is like big volcano full of shit! Peoples whats wrong with you ?
Why I dont see conversations like this on Facebook ?

So when we all agree that this is CAMPO maybe its time to stop?

My God.

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Just heard back from CML about this, and they are analyzing it.  Time to 
back off from John Pierce and let he and the lab sort it out.  It's none 
of our business right now.






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On 7/2/16 at 12:40 PM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list wrote:


OK, photos.
I'm not the most computer literate person.
I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:

http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo

Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.

Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.

John Pierce

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:

> Let’s see a picture of this Iron.
> -Paul G
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>
>
> Hello All,
>
>
>
> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
> subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of 
> the

> Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be 
> only

> the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>
>
>
> I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to 
> find

> answer to my question.
>
>
>
> I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
> They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested 
> to
> know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain 
> water
> as a coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have 
> machining

> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
> like to be a circular blade.
>
>
>
> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
>
>
>
> __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Just heard back from CML about this, and they are analyzing it.  Time to back 
off from John Pierce and let he and the lab sort it out.  It's none of our 
business right now.





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On 7/2/16 at 12:40 PM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list wrote:

> OK, photos.
> I'm not the most computer literate person.
> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
> 
> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
> 
> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
> 
> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
> 
> John Pierce
> 
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
> 
> > Let’s see a picture of this Iron.
> > -Paul G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> >
> > This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
> > nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
> > subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
> > Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
> > classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
> > the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
> > answer to my question.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
> > meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
> > They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to
> > know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water
> > as a coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
> > experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
> > like to be a circular blade.
> >
> >
> >
> > I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > __
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Perhaps posting private emails is against the rules..

Michael Farmer

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 4:48 PM, Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> At what point do we remove people from the metlist for being crude?  
> 
> I think we have reached that point here...
> 
> 
> 
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>> On 7/3/16 at 6:40 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, that's my private email to you. 
>> Did I mention your name or say a word about our anywhere before your out of 
>> the blue public dig on me? 
>> Yes, fuck you. 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>>> On Jul 3, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here is Mr. Farmer's email to me 60 seconds after I made my post:
>>> 
>>> "Fuck you. 
>>> What have I done to you. Only typical of you defending a scammer. 
>>> 
>>> Michael Farmer"
>>> 
>>> Rude? You be the judge.
>>> 
>>> I pegged it as a Campo the instant I saw the picture, so we agree(!) on 
>>> that, Mike, but your allegation is way off the mark:
>>> 
>>> "... it's typical of Paul to stand up for the scamming man.
>>> Ask Paul how much he will pay for it, surely he will put his money where 
>>> his mouth is."
>>> 
>>> Only one skilled in Farmerian Logic could construe a comment about rudeness 
>>> by Person A as a defense of a scam by Person B. Non-Farmerian logicians 
>>> would see it simply as a flimsy redirection - don't address the issue, just 
>>> shout SQUIRREL and hope to divert everyone's attention.
>>> 
>>> As to your last point, I'd pay a nickle a gram.
>>> 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

At what point do we remove people from the metlist for being crude?  

I think we have reached that point here...




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On 7/3/16 at 6:40 PM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list wrote:

> Yes, that's my private email to you. 
> Did I mention your name or say a word about our anywhere before your out of 
> the blue public dig on me? 
> Yes, fuck you. 
> Michael Farmer
> 
> > On Jul 3, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Here is Mr. Farmer's email to me 60 seconds after I made my post:
> > 
> > "Fuck you. 
> > What have I done to you. Only typical of you defending a scammer. 
> > 
> > Michael Farmer"
> > 
> > Rude? You be the judge.
> > 
> > I pegged it as a Campo the instant I saw the picture, so we agree(!) on 
> > that, Mike, but your allegation is way off the mark:
> > 
> > "... it's typical of Paul to stand up for the scamming man.
> > Ask Paul how much he will pay for it, surely he will put his money where 
> > his mouth is."
> > 
> > Only one skilled in Farmerian Logic could construe a comment about rudeness 
> > by Person A as a defense of a scam by Person B. Non-Farmerian logicians 
> > would see it simply as a flimsy redirection - don't address the issue, just 
> > shout SQUIRREL and hope to divert everyone's attention.
> > 
> > As to your last point, I'd pay a nickle a gram.
> > 
> > Paul Swartz
> > IMCA 5204
> > MPOD Webmaster
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Bigjohn Shea via Meteorite-list]

Just catching up on this thread.

I have worked extensively with CML, and have emailed their curator to confirm 
or deny this.

We'll get to the bottom of it, sooner or later...

Cheers,
John A. Shea MD
IMCA 3295






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On 7/2/16 at 12:40 PM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list wrote:

> OK, photos.
> I'm not the most computer literate person.
> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
> 
> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
> 
> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
> 
> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
> 
> John Pierce
> 
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
> 
> > Let’s see a picture of this Iron.
> > -Paul G
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
> > ---
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
> > Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
> > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> > Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
> >
> >
> > Hello All,
> >
> >
> >
> > This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
> > nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
> > subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
> > Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
> > classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
> > the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
> > answer to my question.
> >
> >
> >
> > I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
> > meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
> > They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to
> > know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water
> > as a coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
> > experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
> > like to be a circular blade.
> >
> >
> >
> > I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> > __
> >
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Yes, that's my private email to you. 
Did I mention your name or say a word about our anywhere before your out of the 
blue public dig on me? 
Yes, fuck you. 
Michael Farmer

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 3:10 PM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Here is Mr. Farmer's email to me 60 seconds after I made my post:
> 
> "Fuck you. 
> What have I done to you. Only typical of you defending a scammer. 
> 
> Michael Farmer"
> 
> Rude? You be the judge.
> 
> I pegged it as a Campo the instant I saw the picture, so we agree(!) on that, 
> Mike, but your allegation is way off the mark:
> 
> "... it's typical of Paul to stand up for the scamming man.
> Ask Paul how much he will pay for it, surely he will put his money where his 
> mouth is."
> 
> Only one skilled in Farmerian Logic could construe a comment about rudeness 
> by Person A as a defense of a scam by Person B. Non-Farmerian logicians would 
> see it simply as a flimsy redirection - don't address the issue, just shout 
> SQUIRREL and hope to divert everyone's attention.
> 
> As to your last point, I'd pay a nickle a gram.
> 
> Paul Swartz
> IMCA 5204
> MPOD Webmaster
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Tommy via Meteorite-list]

John,
If they test it it is to make *sure* that #1 it's a meteorite. #2 
to see if it is a match to any other meteorite (Like Campo). They will 
be able to tell easily if it is. The pros on the meteorite list know 
their stuff.  We've seen a LOT of scams over the years. Just offering a 
little insight here. Don't be so offended.


Have a good holiday!

Tom


On 07/03/2016 02:33 AM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list wrote:
What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion 
times more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of 
these things I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate 
that many parts (if not all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm 
sorry that you have so much anger about it.


But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm 
perpetrating a scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, 
(who have had this meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern? They 
actually examined the rock in person - not just by way of a low res 
digital photo.  Why would they have been certain enough to have 
promised to move the classification of this meteorite to the very top 
of their already long queue?  They may be underfunded, but they sure 
didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but presume they can ID a 
Campo as readily as you. Do you think they are ignorant?  I guess you 
can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my contact with them.


I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the 
basis of their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a 
real meteorite.  I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their 
thoughts on this matter of a Campo scams.  They don't seem to mind at 
all for me to "waste their time".


I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no 
idea what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people 
often untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always 
probably BE obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is 
no "drifting back" into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need 
validation from your group..


I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  
But since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and 
non-special biography by going to QRZ.com and searching the call sign 
K7KEY.  I'm obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.


But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number 
of very considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice 
and information.


My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better 
to have asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was 
foolish not to think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of 
my discovery clouded my judgement.


Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!



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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Mike Miller via Meteorite-list]

Hi John the difference is that at the University they are interested in
science from meteorites, they have likely seen a Campo before. We are
dealers, hunters and scientists and some of us have seen  thousands of
Campo's, or even 10 of thousands. Do your self a favor and type in Campo
meteorite on e bay and have a look for your self. They are cleaned using a
very specific process and it give these irons a very unique look which your
iron has been given.
 I am going to also say that the university will likely have a different
attitude, when you speak with them on Tuesday, they are interested in real
science, not wild goose chases

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list <
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> Hello All,
>
>
>
> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
> subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of
> the Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be
> only the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>
>
>
> I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
> answer to my question.
>
>
>
> I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.  They
> advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to know
> anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water as a
> coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
> like to be a circular blade.
>
>
>
> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Mike Miller via Meteorite-list]

John could we see the before photos please? Of course you have photos
showing the rock fresh out of the ground? So yes a few photos before it was
cleaned would be a huge help.

On Fri, Jul 1, 2016 at 6:33 PM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Hello All,
>
>
>
> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
> subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of
> the Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be
> only the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>
>
>
> I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
> answer to my question.
>
>
>
> I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.  They
> advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to know
> anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water as a
> coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
> like to be a circular blade.
>
>
>
> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>
>
>
> Kind regards,
>
> John
>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Mendy Ouzillou via Meteorite-list]

John,

 

Here is the issue: You claimed to have FOUND this meteorite on your property. 

 

The problem is that what you have, in fact, is a Campo del Cielo. So, either 
you are the victim of a hoax and someone planted that meteorite for you to 
find, or you are trying to perpetuate a fraud onto our community. This 
community has its flaws and conflicts, but the one thing we are united in is 
ensuring that meteorites are real and that meteorites are properly represented 
as what they truly are. In the few responses your received, you are looking at 
probably over 100 years of experience dealing and handling meteorites. Campo 
del Cielo is one of the more easily recognizable meteorites out there for 
collectors and dealers. We see them by the tons, literally. Research 
institutions often see such small pieces of meteorite specimens that they may 
not have the experience we do in recognizing complete specimens. So you see,  
PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab is neither stupid nor complicit. Riddle solved. We 
have seen this scam before and more than once. In fact, just recently one of 
our members told the story of unscrupulous vendors in Morocco selling Campos as 
new irons from the Sahara (this was a while ago). One famous fraud is the 
Baygorria meteorite (http://imca.cc/insights/2006/IMCA-Insights03.htm).

 

I do not know you or your motivations, so I won’t comment on that. If you are 
the victim of a hoax, find out who perpetrated it. If you are trying to scam 
us, then please don’t try to argue. I’ve copied Dr. Ruzikaa who is the director 
of the Cascadia Meteorite Lab so that they may be informed of the situation. 
They may still decide to classify your meteorite, but at least they will have 
all the information necessary to make their decision. We are a small but tight 
knit community, and we call it as we see it. Some of us might seem rude and 
some of us might seem helpful, but none of us will tolerate anyone trying to 
perpetuate a hoax that COULD make our community look bad. 

 

Mendy Ouzillou

 

From: Meteorite-list [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On 
Behalf Of John Pierce via Meteorite-list
Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2016 1:33 AM
To: Paul Gessler 
Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Michael Farmer 
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

 

What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion times 
more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of these things I 
know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that many parts (if not 
all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm sorry that you have so much 
anger about it.

But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating a 
scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this 
meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern?   They actually examined the rock 
in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo.  Why would they have 
been certain enough to have promised to move the classification of this 
meteorite to the very top of their already long queue?  They may be 
underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but presume 
they can ID a Campo as readily as you.  Do you think they are ignorant?  I 
guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my contact with them.

I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the basis of 
their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real meteorite.  I 
will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on this matter of a Campo 
scams.  They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste their time".

I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no idea 
what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people often 
untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE 
obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is no "drifting back" 
into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need validation from your group.. 
 

I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  But since 
you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special biography by 
going to QRZ.com and searching the call sign K7KEY.  I'm obscure, but I also 
have nothing to hide.

But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number of very 
considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and information.

My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to have 
asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was foolish not to 
think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my discovery clouded my 
judgement.

 

Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!

 

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler  > wrote:

Mr Pierce,

He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
We are not. We have seen 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Here is Mr. Farmer's email to me 60 seconds after I made my post:

"Fuck you. 
What have I done to you. Only typical of you defending a scammer. 

Michael Farmer"

Rude? You be the judge.

I pegged it as a Campo the instant I saw the picture, so we agree(!) on that, 
Mike, but your allegation is way off the mark:

 "... it's typical of Paul to stand up for the scamming man.
Ask Paul how much he will pay for it, surely he will put his money where his 
mouth is."

Only one skilled in Farmerian Logic could construe a comment about rudeness by 
Person A as a defense of a scam by Person B. Non-Farmerian logicians would see 
it simply as a flimsy redirection - don't address the issue, just shout 
SQUIRREL and hope to divert everyone's attention.

As to your last point, I'd pay a nickle a gram.

Paul Swartz
IMCA 5204
MPOD Webmaster
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

And it's typical of Paul to stand up for the scamming man.
Ask Paul how much he will pay for it, surely he will put his money where his 
mouth is.

Happy Fourth of July to you too Paul, though I've never done anything to you, 
you still enjoy taking a swing every now and then. 
Michael 
Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 12:59 PM, Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> John, it's only typical of Mr. Farmer.
> 
> Paul Swartz
> IMCA 5204
> MPOD Webmaster
> 
> 
>> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
>> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community
> 
>> John Pierce
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[meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

John, it's only typical of Mr. Farmer.

Paul Swartz
IMCA 5204
MPOD Webmaster


> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community

>John Pierce
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[PolandMET via Meteorite-list]

John
I was answered Your question becouse You asked, but for me also its 99% 
Campo. Why ?
First of all if its a new find, then WHO and WHEN just cleaned it to the 
pure iron ? Do You know that cleaning THAT WAY You just destroyed Your 
precious specimen and lovered its value? Do You have photo how it looks like 
before it was massacred ? Where did You found it ? Im just curious :)


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Full attack mode?  Really?
Which of you is Mr. Pot and which is Mr. Kettle?


On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Michael Farmer 
wrote:


The way you come out in full-on attack mode simply proves to me that your
meteorite is a scam and not just an innocent inquiry.
As Paul said, we have seen this before. I've had people steal meteorites
from another dealer and offer them to me as "new finds" minutes after I 
had

already seen them and tried to buy them. I've had people try to sell me
meteorites by email when the meteorite was sitting on my desk in front of
me.
The scams never end.
We are professionals. Seeing the photo of that Campo is as easy as seeing
a photo of the Mona Lisa. No need for further testing.



Michael Farmer

On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:33 PM, John Pierce  wrote:

What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion
times more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of
these things I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that
many parts (if not all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm sorry
that you have so much anger about it.

But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating
a scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this
meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern?   They actually examined the
rock in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo.  Why would
they have been certain enough to have promised to move the classification
of this meteorite to the very top of their already long queue?  They may 
be

underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but
presume they can ID a Campo as readily as you.  Do you think they are
ignorant?  I guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my
contact with them.

I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the basis of
their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real
meteorite.  I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on 
this

matter of a Campo scams.  They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste
their time".

I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no
idea what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people often
untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE
obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is no "drifting
back" into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need validation from
your group..

I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  But
since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special
biography by going to QRZ.com  and searching the call
sign K7KEY.  I'm obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.

But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number of
very considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and
information.

My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to
have asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was foolish
not to think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my 
discovery

clouded my judgement.

Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler  wrote:


Mr Pierce,

He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
We are not. We have seen this CRAP before many many times and it just
doesn’t fly.
I asked to see a photo of your meteorite precisely because I was a bit
suspicious.
Upon reviewing the photos it is VERY CLEAR that it is another Campo del
Cielo.
So instead of wasting PSU;’s time I will give you the classification
right now.
What you have is :
classification Octahedrite  Group IAB  Composition 92.9% Fe, 6.7% Ni,
0.4% Co
So you see you don’t even have to worry about cutting your precious
hoax.
Simply dissolve back into obscurity where you belong.
No one here cares about your story.

PS,
   I googled your name and...you wouldn’t happen to be a former Law
enforcement officer would you?
just curious

-Paul Gessler






From: John Pierce
Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:46 PM
To: Michael Farmer
Cc: Paul Gessler ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
Is your rudeness typical of this 

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Lol...Campo all the way!



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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:10:00 -0700
From: Michael Farmer 
To: John Pierce 
Cc: Paul Gessler ,
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
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Nice 100% campo del Cielo meteorite from Argentina.
110% scam. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:40 AM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> OK, photos.
> I'm not the most computer literate person.
> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
> 
> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
> 
> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.  
> 
> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
> 
> John Pierce
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
>> Let?s see a picture of this Iron.
>> -Paul G
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ---
>> ---
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>> 
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely 
>> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this 
>> subject. My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the 
>> Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform 
>> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only 
>> the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I?ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven?t yet been able to find 
>> answer to my question.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I?m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron 
>> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary. They 
>> advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I?m interested to know 
>> anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water as a 
>> coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining 
>> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would like 
>> to be a circular blade.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Date: Sat, 2 Jul 2016 16:51:10 -0700
From: Michael Farmer 
To: John Pierce 
Cc: Paul Gessler ,
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
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Sorry for the typo. I'm sure it isn't the first you've ever 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

The way you come out in full-on attack mode simply proves to me that your 
meteorite is a scam and not just an innocent inquiry. 
As Paul said, we have seen this before. I've had people steal meteorites from 
another dealer and offer them to me as "new finds" minutes after I had already 
seen them and tried to buy them. I've had people try to sell me meteorites by 
email when the meteorite was sitting on my desk in front of me.
The scams never end. 
We are professionals. Seeing the photo of that Campo is as easy as seeing a 
photo of the Mona Lisa. No need for further testing.



Michael Farmer

> On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:33 PM, John Pierce  wrote:
> 
> What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion times 
> more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of these things 
> I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that many parts (if 
> not all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm sorry that you have so 
> much anger about it.
> 
> But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating a 
> scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this 
> meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern?   They actually examined the 
> rock in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo.  Why would they 
> have been certain enough to have promised to move the classification of this 
> meteorite to the very top of their already long queue?  They may be 
> underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but 
> presume they can ID a Campo as readily as you.  Do you think they are 
> ignorant?  I guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my 
> contact with them.
> 
> I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the basis of 
> their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real meteorite.  
> I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on this matter of a 
> Campo scams.  They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste their time".
> 
> I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no idea 
> what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people often 
> untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE 
> obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is no "drifting back" 
> into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need validation from your 
> group..  
> 
> I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  But 
> since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special 
> biography by going to QRZ.com and searching the call sign K7KEY.  I'm 
> obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.
> 
> But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number of very 
> considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and information.
> 
> My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to have 
> asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was foolish not to 
> think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my discovery clouded 
> my judgement.
> 
> Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!
> 
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
>> Mr Pierce,
>> 
>> He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
>> We are not. We have seen this CRAP before many many times and it just 
>> doesn’t fly.
>> I asked to see a photo of your meteorite precisely because I was a bit 
>> suspicious.
>> Upon reviewing the photos it is VERY CLEAR that it is another Campo del 
>> Cielo.
>> So instead of wasting PSU;’s time I will give you the classification right 
>> now.
>> What you have is :
>> classification Octahedrite  Group IAB  Composition 92.9% Fe, 6.7% Ni, 0.4% Co
>> So you see you don’t even have to worry about cutting your precious hoax.
>> Simply dissolve back into obscurity where you belong.
>> No one here cares about your story.
>> 
>> PS,
>>I googled your name and...you wouldn’t happen to be a former Law 
>> enforcement officer would you?
>> just curious
>> 
>> -Paul Gessler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: John Pierce
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:46 PM
>> To: Michael Farmer
>> Cc: Paul Gessler ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>> 
>> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
>> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community, or are you just a 
>> troll, or just an angry person?
>> 
>> I don't know what a "pen Oregon" iron meteorite is".  Can you explain? 
>> Because I am new to this stuff.
>> 
>> You are the only person so far who has claimed to be able to classify this 
>> meteorite from only a photo.
>> 
>> But let me clarify again, the intention is to only the smallest possible 
>> window cut to generate a sample big enough for classification.
>> You are also the first person to advise that classifying the meteorite will 
>> take it to very low 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list]

Go read your emails. I merely stated that this was a campo and a scam. And I'm 
right. 
Go away with your campo scam. 

Michael Farmer

> On Jul 3, 2016, at 8:06 AM, John Pierce  wrote:
> 
> Full attack mode?  Really?  
> Which of you is Mr. Pot and which is Mr. Kettle?
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Michael Farmer  wrote:
>> The way you come out in full-on attack mode simply proves to me that your 
>> meteorite is a scam and not just an innocent inquiry. 
>> As Paul said, we have seen this before. I've had people steal meteorites 
>> from another dealer and offer them to me as "new finds" minutes after I had 
>> already seen them and tried to buy them. I've had people try to sell me 
>> meteorites by email when the meteorite was sitting on my desk in front of me.
>> The scams never end. 
>> We are professionals. Seeing the photo of that Campo is as easy as seeing a 
>> photo of the Mona Lisa. No need for further testing.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:33 PM, John Pierce  wrote:
>>> 
>>> What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion 
>>> times more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of 
>>> these things I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that 
>>> many parts (if not all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm sorry 
>>> that you have so much anger about it.
>>> 
>>> But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating 
>>> a scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this 
>>> meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern?   They actually examined the 
>>> rock in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo.  Why would 
>>> they have been certain enough to have promised to move the classification 
>>> of this meteorite to the very top of their already long queue?  They may be 
>>> underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but 
>>> presume they can ID a Campo as readily as you.  Do you think they are 
>>> ignorant?  I guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my 
>>> contact with them.
>>> 
>>> I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the basis of 
>>> their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real 
>>> meteorite.  I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on this 
>>> matter of a Campo scams.  They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste 
>>> their time".
>>> 
>>> I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no idea 
>>> what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people often 
>>> untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE 
>>> obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is no "drifting 
>>> back" into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need validation from 
>>> your group..  
>>> 
>>> I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  But 
>>> since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special 
>>> biography by going to QRZ.com and searching the call sign K7KEY.  I'm 
>>> obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.
>>> 
>>> But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number of 
>>> very considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and 
>>> information.
>>> 
>>> My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to 
>>> have asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was foolish 
>>> not to think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my discovery 
>>> clouded my judgement.
>>> 
>>> Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!
>>> 
 On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
 Mr Pierce,
 
 He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
 We are not. We have seen this CRAP before many many times and it just 
 doesn’t fly.
 I asked to see a photo of your meteorite precisely because I was a bit 
 suspicious.
 Upon reviewing the photos it is VERY CLEAR that it is another Campo del 
 Cielo.
 So instead of wasting PSU;’s time I will give you the classification right 
 now.
 What you have is :
 classification Octahedrite  Group IAB  Composition 92.9% Fe, 6.7% Ni, 0.4% 
 Co
 So you see you don’t even have to worry about cutting your precious 
 hoax.
 Simply dissolve back into obscurity where you belong.
 No one here cares about your story.
 
 PS,
I googled your name and...you wouldn’t happen to be a former Law 
 enforcement officer would you?
 just curious
 
 -Paul Gessler
 
 
 
 
 
 
 From: John Pierce
 Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:46 PM
 To: Michael Farmer
 Cc: Paul Gessler ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
 
 Wow, Michael Farmer, you are 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Me Teor via Meteorite-list]


On Sun, 3 Jul 2016 at 09:22 Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Sorry for the typo. I'm sure it isn't the first you've ever seen.
> That is 100% Campo del Cielo.
> Yes, it's pretty easy to identify.
> Enjoy the meteorite. What was it, $200 on eBay?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 4:46 PM, John Pierce  wrote:
>
> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community, or are you just a
> troll, or just an angry person?
>
> I don't know what a "pen Oregon" iron meteorite is".  Can you explain?
> Because I am new to this stuff.
>
> You are the only person so far who has claimed to be able to classify this
> meteorite from only a photo.
>
> But let me clarify again, the intention is to only the smallest possible
> window cut to generate a sample big enough for classification.
> You are also the first person to advise that classifying the meteorite
> will take it to very low value.  Is this consistent advise from the
> community here?
> I have no intention of cutting it beyond that.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Michael Farmer 
> wrote:
>
>> Nice 100% campo del Cielo meteorite from Argentina.
>> 110% scam.
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:40 AM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list <
>> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>>
>> OK, photos.
>> I'm not the most computer literate person.
>> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
>>
>> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
>>
>> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
>> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
>> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
>>
>> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
>>
>> John Pierce
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
>>
>>> Let’s see a picture of this Iron.
>>> -Paul G
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> ---
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
>>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
>>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
>>> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
>>> subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
>>> Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
>>> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
>>> the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
>>> answer to my question.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
>>> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
>>> They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to
>>> know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water
>>> as a coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
>>> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
>>> like to be a circular blade.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>
>>> John
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[John Pierce via Meteorite-list]

Full attack mode?  Really?
Which of you is Mr. Pot and which is Mr. Kettle?


On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 5:43 AM, Michael Farmer 
wrote:

> The way you come out in full-on attack mode simply proves to me that your
> meteorite is a scam and not just an innocent inquiry.
> As Paul said, we have seen this before. I've had people steal meteorites
> from another dealer and offer them to me as "new finds" minutes after I had
> already seen them and tried to buy them. I've had people try to sell me
> meteorites by email when the meteorite was sitting on my desk in front of
> me.
> The scams never end.
> We are professionals. Seeing the photo of that Campo is as easy as seeing
> a photo of the Mona Lisa. No need for further testing.
>
>
>
> Michael Farmer
>
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 11:33 PM, John Pierce  wrote:
>
> What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion
> times more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of
> these things I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that
> many parts (if not all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm sorry
> that you have so much anger about it.
>
> But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating
> a scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this
> meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern?   They actually examined the
> rock in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo.  Why would
> they have been certain enough to have promised to move the classification
> of this meteorite to the very top of their already long queue?  They may be
> underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but
> presume they can ID a Campo as readily as you.  Do you think they are
> ignorant?  I guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my
> contact with them.
>
> I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the basis of
> their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real
> meteorite.  I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on this
> matter of a Campo scams.  They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste
> their time".
>
> I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no
> idea what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people often
> untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE
> obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is no "drifting
> back" into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need validation from
> your group..
>
> I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  But
> since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special
> biography by going to QRZ.com  and searching the call
> sign K7KEY.  I'm obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.
>
> But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number of
> very considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and
> information.
>
> My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to
> have asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was foolish
> not to think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my discovery
> clouded my judgement.
>
> Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
>
>> Mr Pierce,
>>
>> He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
>> We are not. We have seen this CRAP before many many times and it just
>> doesn’t fly.
>> I asked to see a photo of your meteorite precisely because I was a bit
>> suspicious.
>> Upon reviewing the photos it is VERY CLEAR that it is another Campo del
>> Cielo.
>> So instead of wasting PSU;’s time I will give you the classification
>> right now.
>> What you have is :
>> classification Octahedrite  Group IAB  Composition 92.9% Fe, 6.7% Ni,
>> 0.4% Co
>> So you see you don’t even have to worry about cutting your precious
>> hoax.
>> Simply dissolve back into obscurity where you belong.
>> No one here cares about your story.
>>
>> PS,
>>I googled your name and...you wouldn’t happen to be a former Law
>> enforcement officer would you?
>> just curious
>>
>> -Paul Gessler
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: John Pierce
>> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:46 PM
>> To: Michael Farmer
>> Cc: Paul Gessler ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>>
>> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
>> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community, or are you just a
>> troll, or just an angry person?
>>
>> I don't know what a "pen Oregon" iron meteorite is".  Can you explain?
>> Because I am new to this stuff.
>>
>> You are the only person so far who has claimed to be able to classify
>> this meteorite from only a photo.
>>
>> But let me clarify again, the intention is to only the smallest possible
>> window cut to generate 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[John Pierce via Meteorite-list]

What an interesting few responses.  You all certainly know a gazillion
times more about meteorites and about meteorite scams than I know.  Of
these things I know almost nothing, though I do certainly appreciate that
many parts (if not all) of the internet are rife with scams.  I'm sorry
that you have so much anger about it.

But I can't help but wonder why, if it is so obvious that I'm perpetrating
a scam, would the staff at PSU's Cascade Meteorite Lab, (who have had this
meteorite in hand), not voiced this concern?   They actually examined the
rock in person - not just by way of a low res digital photo.  Why would
they have been certain enough to have promised to move the classification
of this meteorite to the very top of their already long queue?  They may be
underfunded, but they sure didn't strike me as dumb.  I can't help but
presume they can ID a Campo as readily as you.  Do you think they are
ignorant?  I guess you can presume that I'm also being deceptive about my
contact with them.

I really don't know the answer to that riddle.  It is only on the basis of
their authority that I can even claim to know that this is a real
meteorite.  I will call them again on Tuesday to ask their thoughts on this
matter of a Campo scams.  They don't seem to mind at all for me to "waste
their time".

I've never had any connection with law enforcement, although I have no idea
what you think that might imply.  (Are law enforcement people often
untrustworthy?)   I've always been obscure, and I will always probably BE
obscure.  I'm just one of the obscure masses.  So there is no "drifting
back" into obscurity needed.  But I also sure don't need validation from
your group..

I don't think you can find any link to me by Google search my name.  But
since you apparently were curious, you can see my short and non-special
biography by going to QRZ.com and searching the call sign K7KEY.  I'm
obscure, but I also have nothing to hide.

But my post here has not been fruitless.  I've received a good number of
very considerate direct replies from others offering useful advice and
information.

My regret now is that it appears that it would have been MUCH better to
have asked about cutting an iron meteorite in the abstract.  I was foolish
not to think of this, and I now realize that the excitement of my discovery
clouded my judgement.

Happy Independence Day to all in the U.S.!

On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 10:07 PM, Paul Gessler  wrote:

> Mr Pierce,
>
> He is being "amazingly rude" because you think we are amazingly naive.
> We are not. We have seen this CRAP before many many times and it just
> doesn’t fly.
> I asked to see a photo of your meteorite precisely because I was a bit
> suspicious.
> Upon reviewing the photos it is VERY CLEAR that it is another Campo del
> Cielo.
> So instead of wasting PSU;’s time I will give you the classification right
> now.
> What you have is :
> classification Octahedrite  Group IAB  Composition 92.9% Fe, 6.7% Ni, 0.4%
> Co
> So you see you don’t even have to worry about cutting your precious
> hoax.
> Simply dissolve back into obscurity where you belong.
> No one here cares about your story.
>
> PS,
>I googled your name and...you wouldn’t happen to be a former Law
> enforcement officer would you?
> just curious
>
> -Paul Gessler
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John Pierce
> Sent: Saturday, July 02, 2016 4:46 PM
> To: Michael Farmer
> Cc: Paul Gessler ; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>
> Wow, Michael Farmer, you are amazingly rude.
> Is your rudeness typical of this meteorite community, or are you just a
> troll, or just an angry person?
>
> I don't know what a "pen Oregon" iron meteorite is".  Can you explain?
> Because I am new to this stuff.
>
> You are the only person so far who has claimed to be able to classify this
> meteorite from only a photo.
>
> But let me clarify again, the intention is to only the smallest possible
> window cut to generate a sample big enough for classification.
> You are also the first person to advise that classifying the meteorite
> will take it to very low value.  Is this consistent advise from the
> community here?
> I have no intention of cutting it beyond that.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 4:10 PM, Michael Farmer 
> wrote:
>
> Nice 100% campo del Cielo meteorite from Argentina.
> 110% scam.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:40 AM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
>
> OK, photos.
> I'm not the most computer literate person.
> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
>
> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
>
> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
>
> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
>
> John Pierce
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 

Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron

[Graham Ensor via Meteorite-list]

Agreed...it's a cleaned  camponot a new find...testing would confirm
that.

On Sun, Jul 3, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list <
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:

> Nice 100% campo del Cielo meteorite from Argentina.
> 110% scam.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jul 2, 2016, at 10:40 AM, John Pierce via Meteorite-list <
> meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com> wrote:
>
> OK, photos.
> I'm not the most computer literate person.
> I had go create a Photobucket album, and I hope this link works:
>
> http://s744.photobucket.com/user/Lumin9/library/Halo
>
> Please, no need to flame me for cleaning the rock.
> I read and considered a lot before proceeding.
> Simply my preference with no concern regarding market value.
>
> Found by me personally on our 32-acre property in Southern Oregon.
>
> John Pierce
>
> On Sat, Jul 2, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Paul Gessler  wrote:
>
>> Let’s see a picture of this Iron.
>> -Paul G
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> ---
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: John Pierce via Meteorite-list
>> Sent: Friday, July 01, 2016 6:33 PM
>> To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
>> Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting An Iron
>>
>>
>> Hello All,
>>
>>
>>
>> This is my first post here.  I joined recently because I found a lovely
>> nickel-iron meteorite, and that has spurred my further interest in this
>> subject.  My meteorite has been confirmed as the real thing by staff of the
>> Meteorite Lab at Portland State University, who would like to perform
>> classification.  It is 11.2 kg, and according to PSU staff, it will be only
>> the seventh classified meteorite ever found in the state of Oregon.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’ve enjoyed reading these archives, but I haven’t yet been able to find
>> answer to my question.
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m posting here to ask if anyone has any experience cutting an iron
>> meteorite with the CBN blade that is sold by Johnson Brothers Lapidary.
>> They advertise it as just the thing for cutting irons.  I’m interested to
>> know anything about blade life, rim speed, feed rate, and using plain water
>> as a coolant/lubricant.  For cutting the analysis sample, I have machining
>> experience and very suitable tools, except for the blade, which I would
>> like to be a circular blade.
>>
>>
>>
>> I welcome replies here on the forum, or by private email.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> John
>>
>>
>>
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[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Today's Meteorite Picture of the Day: Goose Lake

Contributed by: John Divelbiss

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=07/03/2016
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