[meteorite-list] NASA's Next Mars Mission to Investigate Interior of Red Planet (InSight)

2017-09-07 Thread Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list

https://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.php?feature=6934

NASA's Next Mars Mission to Investigate Interior of Red Planet
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
August 28, 2017

Preparation of NASA's next spacecraft to Mars, InSight, has ramped up 
this summer, on course for launch next May from Vandenberg Air Force Base 
in central California -- the first interplanetary launch in history from 
America's West Coast.

Lockheed Martin Space Systems is assembling and testing the InSight spacecraft 
in a clean room facility near Denver. "Our team resumed system-level 
integration 
and test activities last month," said Stu Spath, spacecraft program manager 
at Lockheed Martin. "The lander is completed and instruments have been 
integrated onto it so that we can complete the final spacecraft testing 
including acoustics, instrument deployments and thermal balance tests."

InSight is the first mission to focus on examining the deep interior of 
Mars. Information gathered will boost understanding of how all rocky planets 
formed, including Earth.

"Because the interior of Mars has churned much less than Earth's in the 
past three billion years, Mars likely preserves evidence about rocky planets' 
infancy better than our home planet does," said InSight Principal Investigator 
Bruce Banerdt of NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, California. 
He leads the international team that proposed the mission and won NASA 
selection in a competition with 27 other proposals for missions throughout 
the solar system. The long form of InSight's name is Interior Exploration 
using Seismic Investigations, Geodesy and Heat Transport.

Whichever day the mission launches during a five-week period beginning 
May 5, 2018, navigators have charted the flight to reach Mars the Monday 
after Thanksgiving in 2018.

The mission will place a stationary lander near Mars' equator. With two 
solar panels that unfold like paper fans, the lander spans about 20 feet 
(6 meters). Within weeks after the landing -- always a dramatic challenge 
on Mars -- InSight will use a robotic arm to place its two main instruments 
directly and permanently onto the Martian ground, an unprecedented set 
of activities on Mars. These two instruments are:

-- A seismometer, supplied by France's space agency, CNES, with collaboration 
from the United States, the United Kingdom, Switzerland and Germany. Shielded 
from wind and with sensitivity fine enough to detect ground movements 
half the diameter of a hydrogen atom, it will record seismic waves from 
"marsquakes" or meteor impacts that reveal information about the planet's 
interior layers.

-- A heat probe, designed to hammer itself to a depth of 10 feet (3 meters) 
or more and measure the amount of energy coming from the planet's deep 
interior. The heat probe is supplied by the German Aerospace Center, DLR, 
with the self-hammering mechanism from Poland.

A third experiment will use radio transmissions between Mars and Earth 
to assess perturbations in how Mars rotates on its axis, which are clues 
about the size of the planet's core.

The spacecraft's science payload also is on track for next year's launch. 
The mission's launch was originally planned for March 2016, but was called 
off due to a leak into a metal container designed to maintain near-vacuum 
conditions around the seismometer's main sensors. A redesigned vacuum 
vessel for the instrument has been built and tested, then combined with 
the instrument's other components and tested again. The full seismometer 
instrument was delivered to the Lockheed Martin spacecraft assembly facility 
in Colorado in July and has been installed on the lander.

"We have fixed the problem we had two years ago, and we are eagerly preparing 
for launch," said InSight Project Manager Tom Hoffman, of JPL.

The best planetary geometry for launches to Mars occurs during opportunities 
about 26 months apart and lasting only a few weeks.

JPL, a division of Caltech in Pasadena, California, manages the InSight 
Project for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. Lockheed Martin 
Space Systems, Denver, built the spacecraft. InSight is part of NASA's 
Discovery Program, which is managed by NASA's Marshall Space Flight Center 
in Huntsville, Alabama.

Together with two active NASA Mars rovers, three NASA Mars orbiters and 
a Mars rover being built for launch in 2020, InSight is part of a legacy 
of robotic exploration that is helping to lay the groundwork for sending 
humans to Mars in the 2030s.

More information about InSight is online at:

https://www.nasa.gov/insight

https://insight.jpl.nasa.gov/

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[meteorite-list] Radar Reveals Two Moons Orbiting Asteroid Florence

2017-09-07 Thread Ron Baalke via Meteorite-list

https://cneos.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news199.html

Radar Reveals Two Moons Orbiting Asteroid Florence
Lance Benner, Shantanu Naidu, Marina Brozovic, and Paul Chodas 
Center for NEO Studies (CNEOS)
September 1, 2017

Radar images of asteroid 3122 Florence obtained at the 70-meter antenna 
at NASA\u2019s Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex between August 
29 and September 1 have revealed that the asteroid has two small moons, 
and also confirmed that main asteroid Florence is about 4.5 km (2.8 miles) 
in size. Florence is only the third triple asteroid known in the near-Earth 
population out of more than 16,400 that have been discovered to date. 
All three near-Earth asteroid triples have been discovered with radar 
observations and Florence is the first seen since two moons were discovered 
around asteroid 1994 CC in June 2009.

The sizes of the two moons are not yet well known, but they are probably 
between 100 - 300 meters (300-1000 feet) across. The times required for 
each moon to revolve around Florence are also not yet known precisely 
but appear to be roughly 8 hours for the inner moon and 22 to 27 hours 
for the outer moon. The inner moon of the Florence system has the shortest 
orbital period of any of the moons of the 60 near-Earth asteroids known 
to have moons. In the Goldstone radar images, which have a resolution 
of 75 meters, the moons are only a few pixels in extent and do not reveal 
any detail.
Animated sequence of radar images of asteroid Florence obtained on Sep. 
1, 2017 using the 70-m antenna at the Goldstone Deep Space Communications 
complex. The resolution of these images is about 75 meters. The images 
show two moons orbiting the much larger central body, which is about 4.5 
km in diameter. The inner moon briefly disappears as it moves behind the 
central body and is hidden from the radar. (NASA/JPL). Animated sequence 
of radar images of asteroid Florence obtained on Sep. 1, 2017 using the 
70-m antenna at the Goldstone Deep Space Communications complex. The resolution 
of these images is about 75 meters. The images show two moons orbiting 
the much larger central body, which is about 4.5 km in diameter. The inner 
moon briefly disappears as it moves behind the central body and is hidden 
from the radar. (NASA/JPL).

The radar images also provide our first close-up view of Florence itself. 
Although the asteroid is fairly round, it has a ridge along its equator, 
at least one large crater, two large flat regions, and numerous other 
small-scale topographic features. The images also confirm that Florence 
rotates once every 2.4 hours, a result that was determined previously 
from optical measurements of the asteroid\u2019s brightness variations.

[Animation]
The animated sequence to the left is built from a series of radar images 
of Florence. The sequence lasts several hours and shows more than two 
full rotations of the large, primary body. The moons can be clearly seen 
as they orbit the main body. Radar images are different from pictures 
taken with a digital camera but are similar to ultrasound images. The 
geometry in radar images is analogous to seeing an object from above its 
north pole with the illumination coming from the top. Projection effects 
can make the positions of Florence and its moons appear to overlap even 
though they are not touching.

Florence reached its closest approach to Earth early on September 1 and 
is now slowly receding from our planet. Additional radar observations 
are scheduled at NASA\u2019s Goldstone Solar System Radar in California 
and at the National Science Foundation\u2019s Arecibo Observatory in Puerto 
Rico through September 8. These observations should show more surface 
detail on Florence and provide more precise estimates of the orbital periods 
of the two moons. Those results are valuable to scientists because they 
can be used to estimate the total mass and density of the asteroid.

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[meteorite-list] Wanted: British Columbia new fall

2017-09-07 Thread matija bericic via Meteorite-list
Hi hunters,
If anyone Will manage to find any kind of piece, I am very interested
to purchase it.
Thank you,
Matija
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-07 Thread David Tann via Meteorite-list
Mendy, thanks for your advice.  I'll consider what options I have as the next 
step. 

Sorry to bother all on the mailing list, on this particular matter, I will stop 
copying the whole list in from now.

Best,

David

Sent from my iPhone

> On 7 Sep 2017, at 16:19, Gmail  wrote:
> 
> David, 
> 
> Museums are not likely to want to test meteorites for authenticity for many 
> reasons. First and foremost, doing so takes time away from research and 
> classification of new material. Secondly, differentiating between two 
> meteorites of the same classification is difficult if not impossible in some 
> cases. If you just want to know if it is a meteorite and not terrestrial, 
> there are people/companies that will perform that kind of work.
> 
> Buying from trusted dealers is really important because sometimes that 
> bargain may end up costing you much more than you may realize.
> 
> Mendy Ouzillou
> 
> On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:13 AM, David Tann via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the "meteorites" 
> circulating freely in and from China  are terrestrial rocks! The real Nantan 
> meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total of around 40 kg. 
> There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with and inserted into 
> earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm happy to be proven 
> wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe my source to be 
> reliable and genuine, although it's going to take me sometime to completely 
> verify and document both types. I would naturally like to have the samples 
> tested. I was hoping you guys would be able to test and analyse the 
> composition of the samples for me, but I'll probably approach the Natural 
> History Museum.
> 
> Best,
> 
> David 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer  wrote:
>> 
>> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice stamped 
>> paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your piece 
>> certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly worthless. 
>> 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully understand 
>>> and much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were indeed 
>>> acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere.
>>> 
>>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the 
>>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted 
>>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had been 
>>> assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese Academy of 
>>> Sciences as genuine.
>>> 
>>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently tested 
>>> and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that please?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> David 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In china 
 most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So they 
 buy fakes and are happy with low prices. 
 Michael Farmer
 
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones 
> were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay.  Anything that was dark 
> and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as 
> meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even 
> included old looking collection ID cards.
> 
> Link to China Syndrome:
> http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114
> 
> It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of 
> meteorite collecting.  First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then 
> falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some 
> dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven 
> and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in 
> place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are 
> supposed to adhere to.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>> That's worth about $50
>> Michael Farmer
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gents,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, 
>>> Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded in 
>>> Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km 
>>> length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 07771888566
>

Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-07 Thread Gmail via Meteorite-list
David, 

Museums are not likely to want to test meteorites for authenticity for many 
reasons. First and foremost, doing so takes time away from research and 
classification of new material. Secondly, differentiating between two 
meteorites of the same classification is difficult if not impossible in some 
cases. If you just want to know if it is a meteorite and not terrestrial, there 
are people/companies that will perform that kind of work.

Buying from trusted dealers is really important because sometimes that bargain 
may end up costing you much more than you may realize.

Mendy Ouzillou

On Sep 7, 2017, at 2:13 AM, David Tann via Meteorite-list 
 wrote:

Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the "meteorites" 
circulating freely in and from China  are terrestrial rocks! The real Nantan 
meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total of around 40 kg. 
There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with and inserted into 
earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm happy to be proven 
wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe my source to be reliable 
and genuine, although it's going to take me sometime to completely verify and 
document both types. I would naturally like to have the samples tested. I was 
hoping you guys would be able to test and analyse the composition of the 
samples for me, but I'll probably approach the Natural History Museum.

Best,

David 
Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer  wrote:
> 
> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice stamped 
> paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your piece 
> certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly worthless. 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully understand and 
>> much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were indeed 
>> acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere.
>> 
>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the 
>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted 
>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had been 
>> assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese Academy of 
>> Sciences as genuine.
>> 
>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently tested 
>> and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that please?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated.
>> 
>> David 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In china 
>>> most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So they buy 
>>> fakes and are happy with low prices. 
>>> Michael Farmer
>>> 
 On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones 
 were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay.  Anything that was dark and 
 rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as 
 meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even 
 included old looking collection ID cards.
 
 Link to China Syndrome:
 http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114
 
 It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of 
 meteorite collecting.  First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then 
 falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some 
 dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven 
 and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in 
 place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are 
 supposed to adhere to.
 
 Adam
 
 
 
> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
> That's worth about $50
> Michael Farmer
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>> 
>> Gents,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, 
>> Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded in 
>> Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km 
>> length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch.
>> 
>> David
>> 07771888566
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree fully. Great time to buy.
>>> 
>>> Michael Farmer
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and 
 piggy-backing reached an all time high a

[meteorite-list] AD: New Specimens - New Zealand Iron, Gregory Albumen, AML and more

2017-09-07 Thread Mike Bandli via Meteorite-list
Dear List Members,

I have just finished updating my sales page to include some original Gregory
meteorite albumen photos from the 1890's, a rare New Zealand iron named View
Hill (with Canterbury Museum provenance), some numbered AML tektites, and
some 19th c. historical publications. Also, I am nearly sold out of the
Kennett Australites, Youndegin iron, and Cole Creek:

http://historicmeteorites.com/Sales.html

Thanks for looking and have a great weekend!

Mike

--
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Historic Meteorites
www.HistoricMeteorites.com
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-07 Thread Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list
Are you joking? There are tons upon tons of Nantan. I've sold nearly a half a 
ton. 
I have a 92 kilo one sitting in Beijing and much more sitting in Tucson. 

Michael Farmer

> On Sep 7, 2017, at 1:13 AM, David Tann  wrote:
> 
> Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the "meteorites" 
> circulating freely in and from China  are terrestrial rocks! The real Nantan 
> meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total of around 40 kg. 
> There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with and inserted into 
> earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm happy to be proven 
> wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe my source to be 
> reliable and genuine, although it's going to take me sometime to completely 
> verify and document both types. I would naturally like to have the samples 
> tested. I was hoping you guys would be able to test and analyse the 
> composition of the samples for me, but I'll probably approach the Natural 
> History Museum.
> 
> Best,
> 
> David 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer  wrote:
>> 
>> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice stamped 
>> paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your piece 
>> certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly worthless. 
>> 
>> Michael Farmer
>> 
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully understand 
>>> and much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were indeed 
>>> acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere.
>>> 
>>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the 
>>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted 
>>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had been 
>>> assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese Academy of 
>>> Sciences as genuine.
>>> 
>>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently tested 
>>> and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that please?
>>> 
>>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> David 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In china 
 most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So they 
 buy fakes and are happy with low prices. 
 Michael Farmer
 
> On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones 
> were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay.  Anything that was dark 
> and rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as 
> meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even 
> included old looking collection ID cards.
> 
> Link to China Syndrome:
> http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114
> 
> It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of 
> meteorite collecting.  First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then 
> falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some 
> dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven 
> and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in 
> place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are 
> supposed to adhere to.
> 
> Adam
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
>> That's worth about $50
>> Michael Farmer
>>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Gents,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, 
>>> Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded in 
>>> Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km 
>>> length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch.
>>> 
>>> David
>>> 07771888566
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 I agree fully. Great time to buy.
 
 Michael Farmer
 
> On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
>  wrote:
> 
> Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and 
> piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000.  And 
> before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers were 
> substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I remember 
> Claxton, which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling for less 
> than a $100.00 gram due to a lack in colle

Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Not All Lunar Meteorites Are Equal

2017-09-07 Thread David Tann via Meteorite-list
Thanks, Mike, I'd go even further in saying sadly 99% of the "meteorites" 
circulating freely in and from China  are terrestrial rocks! The real Nantan 
meteorites in private collection are extremely rare, a total of around 40 kg. 
There is also a rarer type of meteorites intertwined with and inserted into 
earth rocks indicating high impact crushing/explosion. I'm happy to be proven 
wrong but as I said I have reasonable cause to believe my source to be reliable 
and genuine, although it's going to take me sometime to completely verify and 
document both types. I would naturally like to have the samples tested. I was 
hoping you guys would be able to test and analyse the composition of the 
samples for me, but I'll probably approach the Natural History Museum.

Best,

David 
Sent from my iPhone

> On 6 Sep 2017, at 20:47, Michael Farmer  wrote:
> 
> David. Sorry but I do mineral shows in china. Everyone has a nice stamped 
> paper from one Chinese government source or another. Actually your piece 
> certainly looks like Nantan meteorite. Sadly Nantan is nearly worthless. 
> 
> Michael Farmer
> 
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 11:55 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, Mike & Adam, for your valuable comments which I fully understand and 
>> much appreciate. Fake meteorites and scandalous traders were indeed 
>> acknowledged as a big problem in China, much like elsewhere.
>> 
>> I do however have reasonable confidence in the authenticity of the 
>> meteorites as they were from no ordinary tom dick and harry but a trusted 
>> and reliable source with high level connections in China; and they had been 
>> assessed by professionals and academic experts from the Chinese Academy of 
>> Sciences as genuine.
>> 
>> However, I'd like to have these and a great deal more independently tested 
>> and verified in the UK. Could you advise on how to go about that please?
>> 
>> Thank you in advance, your help is much appreciated.
>> 
>> David 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 6 Sep 2017, at 16:52, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> People are suckers and if they want to buy crap then let them. In china 
>>> most people want cheap. Well real good meteorites aren't cheap. So they buy 
>>> fakes and are happy with low prices. 
>>> Michael Farmer
>>> 
 On Sep 6, 2017, at 9:46 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 It reminds me of the China Syndrome when hundreds of terrestrial stones 
 were sold to collectors as meteorites on eBay.  Anything that was dark and 
 rounded including iron ore was sold to unsuspecting collectors as 
 meteorites fleecing them out of thousands of dollars. Some of them even 
 included old looking collection ID cards.
 
 Link to China Syndrome:
 http://imca.cc/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=26&Itemid=114
 
 It was just a matter of time before fraud spread into all sectors of 
 meteorite collecting.  First it affected irons, then Pallasites, then 
 falls, then Martians and now Lunar material. The worst part is some 
 dealers are using the IMCA's good name to distribute untested, unproven 
 and in some cases fake material completely bypassing protections put in 
 place by following Meteoritical Society protocols which IMCA members are 
 supposed to adhere to.
 
 Adam
 
 
 
> On 9/6/2017 7:03 AM, Michael Farmer wrote:
> That's worth about $50
> Michael Farmer
>> On Sep 6, 2017, at 1:36 AM, David Tann  wrote:
>> 
>> Gents,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> This 2800g IAB Nantan Meteorite was discovered in 1958 in Nantan, 
>> Guanxi, Southwest China. The fall was observed and clearly recorded in 
>> Chinese historical literature, it happened on 7 June 1516 over an 8 km 
>> length of area. Anyone interested please get in touch.
>> 
>> David
>> 07771888566
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 5 Sep 2017, at 17:54, Michael Farmer via Meteorite-list 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I agree fully. Great time to buy.
>>> 
>>> Michael Farmer
>>> 
 On Sep 5, 2017, at 10:31 AM, Adam Hupe via Meteorite-list 
  wrote:
 
 Just like Martians were a few years ago when the self-pairing and 
 piggy-backing reached an all time high at around 2012/NWA 7000.  And 
 before that, it was falls when some less than honest dealers were 
 substituting NWA material in place of the real thing. I remember 
 Claxton, which I acquired from Michael Blood later selling for less 
 than a $100.00 gram due to a lack in collector confidence.
 
 No meteorite is immune from less than honest business practices.  Many
 collectors will not touch anything that post dates 2012 and are very 
 leery of falls.
 
 On the bright side. There is no better time to purchase genuine lunar 
 material with good provenance and laboratory con

[meteorite-list] Meteorite Picture of the Day

2017-09-07 Thread Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list
No picture was submitted for today.

http://www.tucsonmeteorites.com/mpodmain.asp?DD=09/07/2017
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