Re: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax
Have just experienced the Sutter Mill hunt locally and lived to see all the news story that came out of it and if gave me the same feeling. That is typical for what goes for press coverage in science today. I've heard Felicia Wolf-Simeon lecture locally. She would agree with you about the extraterestial spin having caused nothing but headaches. Still when you study chemophiles and extremophiles one can expect to see the unexpected. Arsenic is definite apart of these cells biochemistry. Selenium has been seen substituting for sulfer in other organisms, so it's not that far fetch a concept. Chickens benefit a little arsenic too.... Howard Wu Howard, You're right, calling it a hoax may have been overstating my opinion. But it was definitely a publicity stunt. If you claim to have discovered a completely new life form, unknown to science and possibly of alien origin, it's just good manners to wait until it's independently confirmed. They jumped the gun with their premature announcement. As if they didn't know that it would create a lot of hoopla and possibly mislead a lot of people! I don't know what their exact motives were, but announcing that you've found a living DNA chain with arsenic replacing phosphorus compounds before it's been confirmed seems a little hoaxy to me. I'm no scientist, but I'm still annoyed by that whole cold fusion thing. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum This current news story is as unfortunate as the original NASA story spin of Wolf-Simon's article release two years ago. Hoax implies a deliberate fabrication of evidence. There's no call here to insult the personal integrity of the scientists for publishing their earlier experimental observations on the Mono Lake arsenic tolerant bacteria. Also never concluded in the original experiments would be that arsenate could completely replace phophate, just that it might have been substituted for less than one percent of phosphorus at a cost. They weren't looking for any kind of attention themselves to create this a publicity stunt. Just over zealot news media spun into action by an interesting preliminary report. Looking forward to reading the actual article when available and new studies to follow. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax
This current news story is as unfortunate as the original NASA story spin of Wolf-Simon's article release two years ago. Hoax implies a deliberate fabrication of evidence. There's no call here to insult the personal integrity of the scientists for publishing their earlier experimental observations on the Mono Lake arsenic tolerant bacteria. Also never concluded in the original experiments would be that arsenate could completely replace phophate, just that it might have been substituted for less than one percent of phosphorus at a cost. They weren't looking for any kind of attention themselves to create this a publicity stunt. Just over zealot news media spun into action by an interesting preliminary report. Looking forward to reading the actual article when available and new studies to follow. From: JoshuaTreeMuseum To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, July 8, 2012 9:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Arsenic Bacteria Hoax Turns out it was a bogus publicity stunt: http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/journal-retreats-from-controversial-arsenic-paper/2012/07/08/gJQAFQb7WW_story.html?hpid=z3 Journal retreats from controversial arsenic paper By Marc Kaufman, Updated: Sunday, July 8, 10:05 PMThe Washington Post Two new studies of controversial research on a bacterium found in California's arsenic-rich Mono Lake led the journal Science on Sunday to say that the 2010 paper it published on the microbe was incorrect in some of its major findings. The original research, which also had been highlighted by NASA, reported that the bacterium could live in an environment with very high arsenic and very low phosphorus - one of the six elements known to be present in all living things. It consequently raised the possibility of life forms now or previously on Earth that break what had been accepted as a universal rule of biology. But two new studies of the bacterium, GFAJ-1, reported that it could not grow without the presence of phosphorus. The papers also challenged the original finding that small amounts of arsenic compounds had replaced phosphorus compounds in some DNA, membranes and other biologically central parts of the organism. "Contrary to an original report, the new research clearly shows that the bacterium, GFAJ-1, cannot substitute arsenic for phosphorus to survive," the journal concluded in a formal statement. "The new research shows that GFAJ-1 does not break the long-held rules of life, contrary to how [lead author Felisa] Wolfe-Simon had interpreted her group's data." Nonetheless, Science wrote that it would look with interest at further research regarding the bacterium, which it called "an extraordinarily resistant organism that should be of interest for further study, particularly related to arsenic-tolerance mechanisms." Wolfe-Simon, now on a NASA fellowship at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory, is collaborating with senior scientist John A. Tainer on wide-ranging studies of the bacterium. In an interview Saturday, Wolfe-Simon and Tainer said that they had produced tentative results in the Berkeley lab almost identical to the original results at a U.S. Geological Survey laboratory, and that they were busy finishing the research and preparing another paper. Tainer said the two new studies in Science may have come to different results than theirs because of the methodologies used, the precision used to detect arsenates and the provenance of the cells. He said the authors of the two new papers "may well regret some of their statements" in the future. "There are many reasons not to find things - I don't find my keys some mornings," he said. "That doesn't mean they don't exist. The absence of a finding is not definitive." Wolfe-Simon and her numerous collaborators had made samples of GFAJ-1 broadly available after her initial results caused a storm of controversy, but she and Tainer said they may have been contaminated or modified in transit. She said that all the researchers agreed that the bacterium survived in extraordinarily high levels of usually toxic arsenic compounds but that they disagreed about whether the organism used the arsenic compound to grow and whether it had incorporated the arsenic into its biology. "I think it's unclear whether this is the last word," Wolfe-Simon said. "They're not finding something that could be there in a minor amount." One of the new studies in Science was conducted by a team centered at Princeton University that included Rosemary Redfield of the University of British Columbia. She was one of the first and most vocal critics of the original Wolfe-Simon paper, and she said Sunday she was satisfied with how the process has played out. "A very flawed paper was published and received an inordinate amount of publicity," she wrote in an e-mail. "But other researchers responded very quickly. .?.?. Now refutations of the work by two independen
Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Talk
Can I play too? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hqyc37aOqT0 - Original Message - From: Shawn Alan To: "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 10:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Talk Hammer time - you can't touch this :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIHAkqCls4A Shawn Alan ebay Store http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html? http://www.meteoritefalls.com/ [meteorite-list] Hammer Talk JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Wed May 16 00:39:53 EDT 2012 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - ALL SOLD!!! * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] If there's one thing I never tire of on the Meteorite List, it's the fascinating, seemingly never-ending discussion of what does and does not constitute a hammer stone. It never gets old. You have semantics, definitions, degrees of hammerness, lively arguments over what is or is not a man-made object. Passionate manifestos are issued. The meteorite world splits into factions and alliances are formed. Tempers flare, innuendos are hurled, dramatic outbursts and character assassinations are the order of the day. Finally a truce and working definition are hammered out, allowing more time for everyone to discuss the latest antics of their favorite dealers. Phil Whitmer Joshua Tree Earth & Space Museum * Previous message: [meteorite-list] SUTTER'S MILL Micros - ALL SOLD!!! * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] More information about the Meteorite-list mailing list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Confusing & Misleading - (Was: AD: MURRAY, LA002 Mars meteorite, NWA2999, Barbotan...............)
With all this fuss I'm surprised nobody offered to buy that garage door and take it off it's hinges and cut it up into pieces. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] All Sutter Mill Micros are SOLD
There will be lots said, and plenty hard feelings all around about the monetary legacy of the Sutter's Mill meteorite. . We will be telling many tales on this one. Buyers, sellers, locals, scientist, media. Goldrush spins only make them better.. I'd like to say I'm happy to have one nice small frag assured for my collection before going looking for more. As to ripping off the locals, I paid nine bucks for a hamburger in Lotus. But special thanks to the Coloma local that let me sleep on his couch. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Question..
In Placerville I picked up 15 min topomaps named Coloma. Also Pilot Hill to the west for where the big one are speculated to be. - Original Message - From: Dennis Miller To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Friday, May 4, 2012 9:17 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutter's Mill Question.. Hello, to those of you who are in the Northern california area, or have safely returned home. For my personal edification, what is the name of the USGA Quadrangle map you are using. I need to start another strewn field map, with itty bitty dots, so far. Thanks and Be safe! Dennis Miller __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp
Would this work flown close to the ground taking sequential stills? One stone would pay for this. http://xproheli.com/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite main mass hunting with a blimp
While walking the Equestrial trail along the South Fork of the American River I thought about coming back with a radio controlled helicopter and a go-pro camera to sweep the grasslands and brush a few hundred yards off the path. I've seen some good video done this way. So I'm not surprise that the big boys had a similar idea. Well if they find the brick, I'll then be able to afford a micro for my collection and save the trouble. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill Offer
Having come from Coloma I'm pretty sure that is weathered asphalt. Otherwise I'm rich! Howard From: bill kies To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 1, 2012 5:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sutters Mill Offer Hi all, Here's an image of a 2.6 gram specimen of what is supposed to be the new meteorite that's been offered to me . Have any of you been contacted by this fellow as well? What do you think of this piece? http://i1231.photobucket.com/albums/ee516/Billkies/IMG_0923.jpg Thanks, Bill __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] Ad: space related palladium coin.
Hi list, not exactly meteoritic, although palladium is found in meteorites, just ask the dinosaurs. I have an one ounce palladium Israel official commemorative medal of the first Israel satellite the Offeq 1968. (Less than 2500 made.) I thought I'd ask first if anybody on the list would be interested before I list this on ebay. Rather see somebody here get a deal on some real palladium. Best offer over Pd spot, about $815 as of this afternoon. Much of the sale I will be using in paying off some recent meteoritic acquitions I still own on. Please email me off list freewu2000 at yahoo.com for info or offers. Thanks, Howard Wu Bishop CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] AD: space related palladium medal.
Hi list, not exactly meteorite, although palladium is found in meteorites, I have an one ouce palladium commemorative medal of the first Israel satellite the Offeq 1968. (Less than 2500 made.) I want to sell, but before putting it up on ebay thought I'd ask if anybody on the list would be interested first. Best offer over Pd spot. About $820 as of closing this afternoon. About half the sale I will be using o pay off some recent meteoritic acquitions, I still own on. Rather see somebody get a real deal than see this go to fleabay. Please email me off list freewu2000 at yahoo.com for info or offers. Thanks, Howard Wu Bishop CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Unless an in house bidder is blind or not alert there is no way to escape that advantage. Plus being able to continue bidding if they chose. This is different than knowing a maximum bid in advance. Howard J. Wu L.ac Bishop, CA On Feb 6, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: > Regardless of whether the absentee bidder's actual amount was > announced - as I understand it, all bidders are announced as numbers - > there is no distinction between live bidders, absentee bidders, proxy > bidders, or house bidders. That the live audience knew the current > bid (or any bid) was an absentee bidder gives the live bidders who are > there in person an advantage. And this also goes against what was > stated in the auction rules on Mr. Blood's website that was quoted > earlier in this thread. > > That's my understanding of how live auctions work. Maybe I am wrong. > > > On 2/6/11, Howard Wu wrote: >> I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing >> absentee bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the >> case. >> >> Howard >> >> On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: >> >>> That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee >>> was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. >>> Ryan >>> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: Don Edwards >>> Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com >>> Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question >>> >>> I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in >>> advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the >>> current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the >>> information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder >>> number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who >>> was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made. >>> >>> I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) >>> however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as >>> regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was >>> absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' >>> >>> Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. >>> There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as >>> in "I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" >>> >>> Don Edwards >>> Houston, TX >>> IMCA 6527 >>> >>> >>> >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >>> __ >>> Visit the Archives at >>> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >>> Meteorite-list mailing list >>> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >>> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> __ >> Visit the Archives at >> http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html >> Meteorite-list mailing list >> Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com >> http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list >> > > > -- > -- > Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone & Ironworks Meteorites > > Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com > Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone > News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 > Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone > Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com > EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 > --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing absentee bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the case. Howard On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: > That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee was > announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. > Ryan > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Don Edwards > Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 > To: > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question > > I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in > advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the > current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. > All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never > by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up > the bidder cards as the bids were made. > > I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) > however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as > regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was > absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' > > Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There > were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have > an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" > > Don Edwards > Houston, TX > IMCA 6527 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
I could see that happening if there were competing absentee bids that the lower maximum being known as the starting point Howard J. Wu L.ac Bishop, CA On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Don Edwards wrote: > I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in > advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the > current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. > All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never > by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up > the bidder cards as the bids were made. > > I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) > however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as > regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was > absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.' > > Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There > were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in "I have > an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?" > > Don Edwards > Houston, TX > IMCA 6527 > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
Where absentee bids release first? If that happened I would be totally offended. It would be a breach of contract between bidder and house. Whats to stop shill bidding to a nickel below absentee bids? Or a nickel over. I sent in two absentee bids. I hope did not happen. Howard J. Wu L.ac Bishop, CA On Feb 6, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nigel & Julie Mann wrote: > As an absentee bidder who was not able to watch the auction stream live I > have been a little confused when reading recent posts regarding the auction > as to what exactly occurred when handling absentee bids. > > I had assumed that they would be treated just like any other bid from someone > in the audience as stated on the Auction details: "ABSENTEE BIDS will give > you an excellent opportunity to buy as though you were at the auction, even > from Europe. You offer your highest bid and are automatically "bid up" only > with the live bidding, so, you could get it well below your maximum." > > Did this not happen in practice? I read mention of absentee bids' maximums > being announced to the audience?? > > Nigel. > > > > > __ > Visit the Archives at > http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fw: New kind of moon rock identified.
Yeah, I had some problems posting from yahoo.com for months. But have been lurking. Found this article on the OOS moon rock: http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100011316_2010011566.pdf Howard Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 8:07:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New kind of moon rock identified. Hi Howard, I don't know anything about the moon rock, but its good to hear from you on the list again. Cheers, Martin __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] New kind of moon rock identified.
Anybody know anything about this? http://www.space-travel.com/reports/New_type_of_moon_rock_identified_999.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites
I have some Mono Lake salt I'd be happy to trade for any martian meteorite. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
Is is right to call any or every speciemen from meteorite fall a hammer if one piece hits something man made, or only that piece that does the hitting. Howard --- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael Blood wrote: > From: Michael Blood > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions > To: "Bob Loeffler" , "Meteorite List" > > Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:33 PM > NO, West Texas is a hammer because it hit > A barn (some may argue, as well, that it hit > A grave - but that would be a grave matter). > Michael > > > > From: Bob Loeffler > > Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:22:21 -0600 > > To: Meteorite List > > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions > > > > Ok, then I'm glad I didn't start collecting > "hammers" because that should > > dramatically increase the "hammer" count out > there. :-) So West is > > definitely a hammer because it fell on farmland. > > > > Bob > > > > > > -Original Message- > > From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com > > [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] > On Behalf Of Darren > > Garrison > > Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:41 PM > > To: 'Meteorite List' > > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions > > > > On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:35:29 -0600, you wrote: > > > >> Is a baseball field a human artifact? The bases > on the field are, so are > >> the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but > is the grass and dirt? > > If > >> the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the > house lawns across the world > >> since humans planted or landscaped them. > > > > Yes, every place kept with a cover of grass which > would, when left to > > nature, > > revert to forest in just a few years is an > artificially maintained, > > unnatural > > human artifact. > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > > __ > > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > > > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Artificial Lunar Meteorites?
Compressed air wouldn't work too well on the moon, he, he.. but once you got your rig up why stop at one rock. Then you could bring the world powers to there knees and keep firing away till them made you king. Then you could call them whatever you wish. --- On Thu, 3/19/09, Meteorites USA wrote: > From: Meteorites USA > Subject: [meteorite-list] Artificial Lunar Meteorites? > To: d...@fallingrocks.com, "meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com" > > Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:30 PM > I've got a few silly questions... > > Let's say you had a large canon powered by compressed > air or some other high pressure gas. > > If you fired a projectile ( a moon rock ) from the surface > of the moon toward Earth, would you be able to create enough > force to reach escape velocity? > If so, how long would it take for that projectile to reach > Earth? > Would the projectile continue to increase speed after > leaving the barrel of the canon or does it stay at the > velocity from which it leaves the barrel? > If all these things were possible, and you were able to > calculate velocity, trajectory, and the entry point into the > Earth's atmosphere, would the stones survive the trip > through our atmosphere? And/or how large would the > projectile have to be to survive atmospheric entry? (I know > this is a loaded question, please don't get caught up on > this one, the next one is the question I'm really > curious about) ;) > > And finally... > > If the projectile (moon rock) did survive all of this, > would it be considered a meteorite? > > Scientifically speaking wouldn't this be an interesting > experiment? > > Send a lander to the moon with a BIG canon and launch some > moon rocks dude! ;) > > Regards, > Eric Wichman > Meteorites USA > > > In response to > > Dave Gheesling wrote: > > "...Meteorites don't enter our atmosphere attached > to spheres, and presumably that artificial contraption may > have made for a different-than-typical result" > > All best, > Dave > www.fallingrocks.com > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?
I'm a small town acupuncturist and herbalist, thus self employed. My previous employer in the 90's was at the lost and found at Mammoth Mountain Ski Area. Howard Wu Bishop, CA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson
Gee, I tried to say on topic. That Tucson highway construction has been a pain for years getting around the show and keeps people away. Sure wish they'd finish it up. There were dealers I missed as "I couldn't get there from here." That would be good for Tucson business! Your Blood auction state tax dollars help pay for this. I got a small 0.5g Iraq chondrite from Bob Eliot. I forgot where exactly. Howard --- On Tue, 2/3/09, David & Kitt Deyarmin wrote: > From: David & Kitt Deyarmin > Subject: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson > To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 3:41 PM > Not the whole list, just a few members > > > __ > > > GREG LINDH geeg48 at msn.com > Tue Feb 3 01:04:25 EST 2009 > Previous message: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson > Next message: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson > Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ > author ] > > > > > This List is truly hopeless. > > > > > - Original Message - > From: "Don Rawlings" yahoo.com> > To: > Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:18 PM > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson > > > Yeah, With Bush the money would have been spent on bombs to > send to Iraq or > some other place we have no business turning into killing > fields. > > Don Rawlings > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Howard Wu yahoo.com> wrote: > > > From: Howard Wu > Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson > To: "Arizona Keith" cox.net>, "ensoramanda" > > Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com > Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 4:06 PM > > > > Maybe with the new "economic stimulus plan" they > can finnally finish up all > that roadwork downtown. > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ensoramanda ntlworld.com> wrote: > > > Now I'm really regretting going to > > > Tucsonbrrr...took me nearly 2 > > > hours to drive 10 miles today...but at least I made it > > > home. > > > > > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7865378.stm > > > > > > Graham Ensor ,UK > > > > __ > http://www.meteoritecentral.com > Meteorite-list mailing list > Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com > http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson
Maybe with the new "economic stimulus plan" they can finnally finish up all that roadwork downtown. --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ensoramanda wrote: > Now I'm really regretting going to > Tucsonbrrr...took me nearly 2 > hours to drive 10 miles today...but at least I made it > home. > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7865378.stm > > Graham Ensor ,UK > __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Tuscon's best deal.
Now that I have local friends who invites me every year to stay with them, I don't mind giving up my secret spot where I use to stay at for $25 a night.(Now up to $35 during the show, but hey find me a cheaper flop.) It is probably too late to get a bunk now, but one can try to see if there any cancelations. Maybe next year if you plan ahead: The Roadrunner Hostel downtown on 6th Ave. Meet great people and share a kitchen, internet and washing. They'' even loan you a pass to the Nat. History Museum. http://www.roadrunnerhostelinn.com/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Obama and the price of lunars..was Good Bye Bush.
Since our president elect doesn't seem interested in going back to the moon anytime soon the value of our lunar collections seem secure. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] LATimes- Comet hits North America 13, 000 years ago
E.P. Grondine is going to love this one mr. wu http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-extinction2-2009jan02,0,896970.story >From the Los Angeles Times Diamonds show comet struck North America, scientists say The impact caused an ice age that killed some mammal species and many humans 12,900 years ago, researchers report. They say the discovery of tiny heat-formed diamonds is proof of the catastrophe. By Thomas H. Maugh II 1:11 PM PST, January 1, 2009 A thin layer of miniature gemstones called nanodiamonds in North American soil provides the strongest evidence yet that a comet struck the continent nearly 13,000 years ago, triggering a mini-ice age that wiped out many species of mammals and interrupted the culture of early humans for hundreds of years. Researchers had earlier discovered the thin layer of black soil containing iridium and other debris suggestive of a massive comet or meteor impact, but critics had suggested a variety of less dire explanations. The discovery of the nanodiamonds, however, reported today in the journal Science, provides the most powerful support for the comet theory because the gems can only be created under the extreme temperatures and pressures of a massive explosion, such as a comet striking the Earth's surface. "There's no other way we can interpret the presence of these diamonds other than an extraterrestrial impact," said paleooceanographer James P. Kennett of UC Santa Barbara, one of the authors of the paper. Such an impact would be the most likely source of nanodiamonds, critics agreed, but many argued that the one-page paper in Science does not provide enough evidence to support the authors' claim. "Nanodiamonds could be a good indicator of an impact event . . . but after reading the paper, I wasn't convinced they found diamonds," said physicist Tyrone Daulton of Washington University in St. Louis. "Maybe they found diamonds, and maybe they didn't." Added spectroscopist Peter Buseck of Arizona State University, "I wouldn't question that they saw nanodiamonds," but for such a potentially important discovery, "I would like to have it well-supported." Archaeologist Douglas J. Kennett of the University of Oregon, lead author of the report and James Kennett's son, conceded that the restrictive format of the rapid publication limited the amount of data the team could incorporate. But he said the presence of nanodiamonds had now been confirmed in three separate laboratories: "There are going to be a lot of follow-up papers that will clearly demonstrate that these are diamonds." The new findings may tie together a variety of hitherto mysterious events in North America that all occurred around the same time. Beginning about 12,900 years ago, North America -- and perhaps the entire world -- entered a 1,300-year-long period of profound cooling known as the Younger Dryas, and often colloquially called the "Big Freeze." About that same time, at least 35 species of large mammals, such as the woolly mammoth, camels and mastodons, disappeared forever. The period also saw an end to the Paleo-Indian Clovis culture characteristic of the first inhabitants of the continent. Other evidence indicates a massive decrease in salinity in the Gulf of Mexico at the beginning of the event, caused by melting of the Laurentide ice sheet in Canada. The influx of water into the gulf sharply changed circulation patterns in the Atlantic Ocean, which may be the proximate cause of the cooling event. The Kennetts and their colleagues have previously reported the discovery of a thick mat of black soil radiocarbon-dated to 12,900 years ago at 10 archaeological sites scattered around the continent. The layer contains iridium, carbon spherules and fullerenes containing helium-3, all characteristic of an extraterrestrial impact. Critics, however, said the evidence was insufficient to prove an impact, particularly in the absence of a demonstrable crater. James Kennett and his colleagues went back to the mats they had collected and performed what he termed the "extremely labor-intensive" process of looking for the nanodiamonds. That involved using acids to dissolve everything else in the samples, then using a variety of techniques to identify the diamond residue. They found a family of at least five different forms of diamonds, including some that are formed only by impacts, they reported in the Science paper. Moreover, the nanodiamonds were found only at the bottom of the black mat -- not in the soil either below or above it. What the team now believes is that a comet struck North America 12,900 years ago, breaking into pieces before reaching the ground. Heat from the massive explosions melted the Laurentide glacier and set off wildfires all over the continent, leading to the deaths of large numbers of animals -- and people. In a series of papers presented last week at a meeting of the American Geophysical Union, the team also reported that
[meteorite-list] unsubcribe- Help Jane! Stop this crazy thing!!
I've tried to unsubscribe before without sucess. I have now gone directly to the meteorite list page and see a subscribe but not an unsubscribe link. I've tried the the "your account" link but it seems deadend. I'm going on vacation and the meteorite list will fill my box in two days unless I unsucribe thus keeping critical mail from getting to me. Help! Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Somethings are better left on mars.
Not exactly my point of view, but I think some of you would like reading this NYT editorial: http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/19/opinion/19JUDS.html Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] ebay water from Mars- Wow, too much!
This one takes the ribbon! http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=40129&item=2238685021&rd=1 Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
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[meteorite-list] Cow's on mars!
And were were looking for them on the Mmmoo...n. Howard Wu http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3577551.stm Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Donations for Kieskowski lobotomy
Perhaps they'll give the both of you a two for one...[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please send all your generous donations to Bill Kieskowski Hazel Crest IL General Delivery. Don't forget to send more cheerful advice (Norm) and a few cases of crayons, the preferred method of communication here.Thanks!> Bill Kieskowski,> > In the spirit of brevity, just three more words: get> a lobotomy. > > Norm> > P.S., if that doesn't help, quit writing emails. That> WILL help the rest of the list.> > If you have no interest in meteorites whatsoever,> write another email on this thread.> > > > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Warning "no subject" email
Hi list, I just received a list letter from ME with "No subject" in the title line and an exe. file attachment. This was not from me (at least by my will) a probably a virus. I in the process of refreshing my anti-virus software and of course don't open this attachment. Any hotshot advise will be listen to and my appollogies... Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers wakeups.
I have a strange useless question. Does the wakeup music selection, obviously for the benifit of the workteam, actually get broadcasted to the rovers? How does that work? HowardRon Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.htmlSPIRIT UPDATE: One Step Closer - sol 77, Mar 22, 2004Spirit woke up on sol 77, which ended at 8:24 a.m. PST on March 22, 2004, to "One Step Closer" by the Doobie Brothers, since the rover was to make its final approach to the rock target named "Mazatzal" today.Before beginning the .9-meter (2.95 feet) drive to Mazatzal, Spirit analyzed the soil target "Soil 1" at its current location with the microscopic imager and Mössbauer spectrometer. During the Mössbauer integration, Spirit also took panoramic camera images and performed miniature thermal emission spectrometer analysis of the atmosphere and Mazatzal work area.At 1:25 p.m. Mars Local Solar Time, Spirit completed the Mössbauer integration, took a few microscopic imager images of the impression left on "Soil 1" by the Mössbauer spectrometer and then stowed theinstrument arm. Spirit then proceeded the short distance toward Mazatzal and took hazard avoidance camera images to confirm that its final resting place put the intended rock targets in reach of the instrument arm.Following the drive, the rover acquired more panoramic camera and mini thermal emission spectrometer observations of the atmosphere, and of interesting areas near the Mazatzal site including targets named "Sandbox," "Saber" and "Darksands."Spirit finished up sol 77 by getting the mini thermal emission spectrometer in position for morning observations on sol 78.Spirit will spend most of Sol 78, which will end at 9:04 a.m. PST on March 23, analyzing Mazatzal with the instruments on the robotic arm.OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Leaves the Nest - sol 57, Mar 22, 2004After a slightly slippery start yestersol, Opportunity made it out of "Eagle Crater"on sol 57, which ends at 8:45 p.m. PST on March 22. The drive along the crater's inner slope that was initiated on the last solcontinued this sol until Opportunity exited its landing-site crater. Images from the navigation camera confirm that the rover is about 9 meters (about 29.5 feet) outside of the crater.The rover also conducted remote sensing observations between naps this sol. After completing the drive out of the crater, the navigation camera imaged Opportunity's brand new view of the plains of Meridiani Planum. During the martian night, rover planners will awaken Opportunity to take miniature thermal emission spectrometer observations of the ground and the atmosphere. The song chosen to motivate Opportunity to move up and out of the crater was "If You Don't Get it the First Time, Back Up and Try it Again" by the JBs and Fred Wesley.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] glassface1 giving wrong info
Hi List, This was a glassface auction? Forgive my previous comments in in defense of Maganesse nodules. I wonder now if they are really oceanic nodules knowing this guys reputation.Who is this guy anyhow? Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
RE: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo'
Most Pure ethanol still has 4% water. Why not use 99% isopropanol, for the money probably the best buy. Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] hilarious-glassface1- It's a Manganese nodules, what's your problem?
Manganese nodules are very interesting ocean phenomena. If you knew your oceanography their would have be no confusion. They are not that rare on the bottom of the ocean but maybe in mineral collections. He clearly states this as a meteorite like wrong, so this isn't a fraud. This is much like the trinitite and fugelite posting on ebay, strange orphans that find themselves on the meteorite page. Howardjim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: this is just too funnyhttp://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2231469904"...THESE WHERE MIND ON A MINING FRATER"is this kid for real?Hopefully meteoritedude who iswinning the bidding is doing so with a view to legalaction.WO!!regardsJim Bradyp.s. Ron Baalke,keep the Mars posts coming,love 'em__Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Search - Find what youre looking for fasterhttp://search.yahoo.com__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Bernd commentary on NWA 1955
There is also Tieschitz which has been classified as an H/L3.6. Fell july 15,1878. That is somewhat between a 3 and a 4. Howard Wu"stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >unique>NWA 1955 which is the only type H/L 3-4.With regards to the excusivity of nwa 1955 as an H/L 3-4 does anyone have any more information about Dho008? the Cometshop guys have been selling it as an L3.2, however I have seen refrence to it as an H/L. Any further insight would be apreciated...Stan_Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 4, 2004
>The science and engineering team built a whopping 490 commands to accomplish the most complex robotic arm operations on Mars yet. Opportunity took three mosaics on the area dubbed "Last Chance," using the microscopic imager, creating 128 images in over 200 arm moves. Each "frame" of these mosaics required multiple microscopic images. There are two reasons for this. First, the microscopic imager does not have auto-focus, My two hundred dollar camera has autofocus and weighs less than a pound while this eight hundred million dollar baby doesn't? Maybe we should have "outsource" to Sony. ;<) Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan
Come on now, there are some rational criticism that can be made on scientific and bugetary grounds. And Senator Glenn has been an in the loop NASA advocate for years and very qualified to put foward an opinion. Besides this new policy is not yet writen in stone and is likely to further evolve as time goes on. Bushie didn't write this policy he just signed off on it. It is high on Flash Gordon adventure while cutting into real science. Actually I kind of like it except for the hidden star wars elements. Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Typical partisan crap.no matter what the President would have proposed, the angry liberals would have found something to complain about.yada...yada...yada.yawn.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite economics revisited
.Since meteorites are a non-essential commodity, if theprice is too high, people simply go without. Rob are you kinding! They are more addictive than Heroin. Howard Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?
I have meet Steve Arnold of Chicago. I sense no malficience in Steve, though he is an agent of chaos. He just a crazed pasionate hobbiest, not a proffesional dealer. And he's just as likely to lose money on his meteorite churnings as he is to gain. I like him personally but I not above criticizing him inside the family of collectors for his continuous misbehavor. In regards to ebay, truth in advertizing is a minimun standerd. There is no excuse for misrepresenting weights and this is not the first time he has done that. That make him fair game. Our meteorites are more than personal property but represent a scientific legacy in our trust. As Steve is not going away, our only hope is to reform his behavior which affect us all. While other may chose to shun his dealings, I have chosen to taken up a rolled newpaper approach to Steve. That's within my nature, while I occasionally benefit that a fool and his meteorites are soonto become my meteorites. That windbag of a collector Mr. Wu "Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. Ihave had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, andthere was only one problem that was corrected by him pretty fast. Otherthan that, all bids I won were exactly what he offered (and some GREATdeals amongst them *g*).Well, having said that - I don't understand him in some aspects. Havingno pics with most of his auctions is pretty - well, strange, but that'sup to him, I think. Some auctions are priced ridicoulosly high, othersunbelievably low - again: this is up to him :-).I don't think that Steve is ripping others off on purpose, sometimes oneCOULD think that he doesn't really know what he does. But hey, there areonly a few professional traders - Steve is, like me, just a collector,I'd say.If Steve made a mistake, I am sure he will react and correct it. As longas he does, everything's fine - don't you think so?Bernhard-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DavidFreemanSent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:22 PMTo: Howard Wu; meteorite-listSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?Dear All,I don't know why you penny pinchers continue to purchase from someone who doesn't adhere to good IMCA practices.I have no compassion for you.Scales is one, no reference books, what other clues do you need?Anyone to tight to throw in a riker mount box to keep customers happy should up his price to cover the box.I think there are a number of very good dealers out there that deserve your commerce more,would you like me to send you an off list list?Again, I offer no support for those that don't learn from others grief.Dave FreemanHoward Wu wrote:> Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took> him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out.>> >> Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale.>> >> http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1&satitle=gram+scale&so> sortorder=1&sosortproperty=3>ortorder=1&sosortproperty=3> >>> >> Howard Wu>>>> harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> i too have heard that this should be avoided.>> >From: "Arizona Keith" >To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" , >Subject:> [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? >Date:> Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 > >Hello List > >Avoid Steve Arnold> of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. > >I just> got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. >> >First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions,> but I never >got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. >He> never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new> auction >do state this. > >Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595> Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a >label stating that> amount. > >I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted> this ad. > >Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for> there actions and >statements or can the IMCA even help with this,> he's did sell a meteorite, >but did mislead bidders and did a bate> and switch. > >And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly> dealers using this, not >protecting meteorite collectors, only> dealers. > >Thanks again for your time. > >Keith V. >The proudest> Non-member of the IMCA. >Chandler AZ > > > >- Original Message> - >From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, March> 02, 2004 5:28 AM >Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions >> > > > Good morning list.I
RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?
Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out. Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale. http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1&satitle=gram+scale&sosortorder=1&sosortproperty=3 Howard Wu harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: i too have heard that this should be avoided. >From: "Arizona Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? >Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 > >Hello List > >Avoid Steve Arnold of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. > >I just got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. > >First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions, but I never >got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. >He never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new auction >do state this. > >Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595 Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a >label stating that amount. > >I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted this ad. > >Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for there actions and >statements or can the IMCA even help with this, he's did sell a meteorite, >but did mislead bidders and did a bate and switch. > >And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly dealers using this, not >protecting meteorite collectors, only dealers. > >Thanks again for your time. > >Keith V. >The proudest Non-member of the IMCA. >Chandler AZ > > > >- Original Message - >From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:28 AM >Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions > > > > Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of them starting > > at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece of GIBEON.They are up for > > 5 days only.Bid very ,very high and bid very,very often. > > > > THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! > > > > = > > Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > > Illinois Meteorites > > website url http://stormbringer60120.com > > http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Search - Find what you're looking for faster > > http://search.yahoo.com > > > > __ > > Meteorite-list mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list > > >__ >Meteorite-list mailing list >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Fast. Reliable. Get MSN 9 Dial-up - 1 month FREE! (Limited-time Offer) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls
My two cents, After seeing the smiling faces of those kids on Mike Farmer's Thuathe page II say give those native finders whatever you can afford They deserve the windfall. Those professional desert dealers in town spiking prices upward each year, however is another story...screw them. Tell them a Michael Blood's declining market doldrum story. How else will they get rid of these rocks. They can't eat them. New meteorite fall in downtown USA, it is everyman for himself, then wait for the price to settle down to earth. ( Name withheld so not to hear reprocusions when I whine about prices to my favorite suppliers.. thanks guys! Oops, posted on top..never mind) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] CV3 mania!
Hi List Speaking of CV3's, there seems to be a new CV3 offering everyother day this week. All with gorgiously wild chondrites and inclusions of all descriptions and different xxx or none at all. I can't keep up with them all. Tired of more surprises. What is going on? Surely did one big fall hit last year and there now just trickling in or are these many falls that all have cool CAI's, etc. Will somebody who know what going on behind the scene sort this one out for us poor buyers. Howard WuAdam Hupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear List Members,We would like to draw your attention to a new CV3, NWA 3118. This stunningmeteorite has a lot going for it including multi-colored chondrules, HugeCAIs and odd clasts. We loaded several inexpensive samples on ebay so thatcollectors can acquire some of this neat meteorite at near wholesale prices,some as low as $5.01 a gram for large specimens. Here are a few examples:Museum Quality with 3D chondrule:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2228530808&category=3239Giant 18mm Chondrule:http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=3239&item=2228534822Do not forget to check out the NWA 1836, monomict cumulate eucrite and overa hundred other auctions we are running this week, as well.To see all of our auctions click on the link below:http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/meteoritelab/Thank you for looking and if you are bidding, good luck.Kind Regards,Adam and Greg HupeThe Hupe CollectionIMCA 2185__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..
Early warning would definitely be helpful so we could sell off our collections before the bottom falls out the meteorite market! Howard"stan ." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: We might not be able to do anything about the impact, as in preventing it, but surely there would be alot that could be done to lessen catestrophic damage. If the impact was known about 18 hours in adavnce, I'd be willing to bet that very shortly afterwards, with the resources of the entire world (instead of just 2 telescopes doing automated survays) behind the effort it wouldnt take long to find the region of the planet an impact was likely going to uccur in.After that it would be much like a hurricane warning, except with a bit less notice. a half a day before landfall of a major hurricane unpridicitibility of the path of a major storm oftentimes puts MANY millions of people on alert. people could evacuate, or prepair to shelter in place. emergancy services would be ramped up and ready to respond should the impact occur in a highly populated area, ect.>From: "mark ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>>Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning >about asteroid impact..>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:11:39 ->>Dirk,>>Mind you, there probably isn't much point in telling the world, what>would we do? We would have no idea of where is would hit until a few>minutes before, so why panic anyway? Apart from stocking up on fur>coats and food for the coming 'nuclear winter', not much else we could>do!>>But hey - If I'm gonna go, I'd rather it be 'death-by-meteorite'>>Mark Ford>>>-Original Message->From: drtanuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: 25 February 2004 12:52>To: mark ford; meteorite-list>Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning>about asteroid impact..>>Dear Mark and list,> Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two will>hit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Mass>panic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA or>Canadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out?>Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best to>you.>Sincerely,>Dirk Ross>Yamaguchi University, Japan,>Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact Researcher>>The time window for this stream ends at about 2008.> _>>Do you Yahoo!?>Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard>>1> - Read only the mail you want._Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] New Topic, all terain transportation?
Then if you just wish to modify your current vehicle for those long searches: http://images.burningman.com/index.cgi?image=3111&results=4393,4390,4384,4349,4191,4140,4137,3111,4095,4000,3936,3729,3686,3674,3819,3825,3844,3855,3857,3872&ord=328/466&skip=320&q_photog=&q_category=art_cars&q_keyword=&q_year= Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] New Topic, all terain transportation?
Crusing the playa? Here is I rather be driving: http://images.burningman.com/index.cgi?image=15061&results=15701,15666,15661,15630,15582,15575,15271,15213,15118,15061,15057,14982,14950,14810,14781,14780,14749,14746,14673,14618&ord=10/466&skip=0&q_photog=&q_category=art_cars&q_keyword=&q_year= For nighttime driving: http://images.burningman.com/index.cgi?image=15057&results=15701,15666,15661,15630,15582,15575,15271,15213,15118,15061,15057,14982,14950,14810,14781,14780,14749,14746,14673,14618&ord=11/466&skip=0&q_photog=&q_category=art_cars&q_keyword=&q_year= Howard Wu Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Dave and list, For dry lake beds, nothing beats a little electric or gasscooter! Easy to get on and off of and no viewing obstructions Cheap to!Maybe one like this?http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3663011905&category=47350Thanks, Tomperegrineflier <><IMCA #6168- Original Message -From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:19 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] New Topic, all terain transportation?> Dear List;> Hunting meteorites with an ATV. A new topic. How refreshing is that?>> I expect to be using one this year. I hope to use it to get me further> afield than I would go on foot. I understand that seeing golf ball> sized treasures at 20 mph is impossible so expect to use it as a sort of> portable base camp to conduct searches for the erosion areas I am> targeting. Since walking further in to areas more than a mile is not on> my ambition list, the ATV will be a treat to access. I am sensitive to> access issues on public lands here, and on private land access issues as> well.> Any comments on hunting with an ATV, and do we have favorite> accessories. Mine will have a plug in for cell phone, and GPS unit, and> haven't decided if the lap top belongs with me or leave it home!> With payloads of 300 pounds, I should be able to haul out all the> meteorites I find..well, I can always make a second or third trip.> Best,> Dave Freeman> Polaris 700 sportsman>>> __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Ther is one who know who Glassface1 is.
It's time to end this glassface1 speculation. If Ron DiIulio, the "winner" of DAg476 would like to give us the identity of glassface1 given to him at the end of the auction, we could collectively deal with this more clearly. I'm not suggesting any vigelantee action. But if he feels comfortable with this, it would simplify life for us . Howard Wu Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: He is a high bidder on an auction from Whittier CA, in his own backyard.Maybe the seller paolo2000 and Glassface1 one are the same? Maybe he istrying to drive up his bids by bidding on his own stuff? After all heneither are IMCA members. : ) Joking!!!Thanks, Tomperegrineflier <><IMCA #6168- Original Message -From: Lars Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:40 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Glassface1 is buying too> Hi all>> I see that mr Glassface is buying too ... or maybe playing games with> someone ??>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2226830760&category=3239>> :-)> Lars>>> - Original Message -> From: "Tom aka James Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:16 PM> Subject: [meteorite-list] Glassface1's identity>>> > Hello List, It has been said that glassface1 is likely a list member> playing> > a joke. I believe they are right, the seller knows to much and isprobably> > putting up his/her meteorwrong collection just to watch us squirm!There> > are a few list members that hate the list being used for reporting ebay> > fraud and I bet this is their revenge!> > Thanks, Tom> > peregrineflier <><> > IMCA #6168> >> >> > __> > Meteorite-list mailing list> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>>> __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] India space program accident.
A little off topic, but thought some list members would be interested in this article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3513841.stm Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - unusual and rare meteorites from NWA
Hi John and Stefan, One piece of a pairing couldn't be missing a crust when another does? This was a healthy "field" discusion worthy of this imformal list. It makes us all look at our rocks more closely. I was a fine working hypothesis- "Are these from the same fall?" With the conclusion- "First appearences can be deceiving." Next time it may not be so. And sometime we need to challenge our classifications based on a second look. For example NWA1195. Or any howardite/eucrite based on which sample is submited. John, the earthlings you past around in Tuscon were inspiring. It may hve already helped to stop (or instigated?) a Dag476 fraud on ebay. Thanks also to Stefan for some nice photos you sent me of similar looking pieces with wide varience in classification. Your private comments to market obfuscation in Moracco were also enlightening. Actually, these kinds of discussion are common in biology taxonomy. I.e. that fish/bird/flower sighting a new species, sub-species, or just a weird member of the population. As new test are invented whole fields have changed back and forth. Howard Wu PS. Both Stefan's and Blaines matterial are aethetically wonderful worth having regardless. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stefan and list members,Stefan offered us NWA 3099 (L/LL3) last week that to me looked like the same material Blaine Reed was selling in Tucson. So I made the comparison and thought Blaine should know this.Well, after trading pictures and messages with Stefan I believe I can now say I was WRONG! It turns out Stefan's material had a nice black fusion crust on it while Blaine's had no crust at all from what I could see. While they look similar and may even be from the same asteroid group...they are probably NOT paired from a desert find standpoint. So if anyone has told Blaine what I previously said, then possibly they could followup with a comment that John D was full of crap...again.Thanx,John***Stefan,Great stuff...I believe this material was for sale from Blaine Reed at Tucson as an unclassified chondrite with the potential to be an LL3. I think Blaine was going to follow through with it's classification. Someone should contact him and let him know that this classified material exists.Thanx for offer,John> Dear List,> > on my website I have listed some new classified meteorites. All these > meteorites are unusual or rare types. A particularly special piece is > the new L/LL3 NWA3099. The meteorite is built up from a conglomerate of > chondrules and is very fresh and beautiful. I had offer some slices of > NWA3099 at Ebay yesterday which were immediately sold. The total known > weight of this L/LL3 is only 179 grams and the price is very reasonable.> > http://www.meteoriten.com/special.html> > And for all of you who look for fresh and rare meteorites for the price > of ordinary NWA869-like material is this offer possibly interesting:> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2224768512&category=3239> > I answer all enquiries and orders in the order of arriving. Please, have > a little patience, if I don't immediately answer.> > Best regards,> Stefan> > SR-Meteorite> I.M.C.A. Member#3368> Website url: http://www.meteoriten.com/> > Stefan Ralew> Kunibertstrasse 29> 12524 Berlin> Germany> > > > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Dhofar 019 organettes- search for the invisible.
I wish to thank the those who took time to look for orangettes in there large slices of Dhofar 019 and for whatever reason posted me privately. (Perhaps you don't wish to let others know what big slices you have.) For my part, my parttslice was only 0.19gm and I saw nothing (up to x60.) After doing further reading, I understand indiviulal organettes would be in the nanometter range. But I still hoped that collectively that an area of orangettes might be visible. Calcite veining at least should have been apparent on some larger slices. Two observers didn't see the anything that may have been organette related. Observation to 120x. However, one person did make the following observations: " I looked under my scope for the orangettes and can see several areas where tiny alteration specks are present. Look like they are 0.5 mm or less in size. Some are located along fractures (one at an intersection) but they don't seem common. Another fracture intersection has no evidence of any alteration. Other alteration areas are present but don't seem associated with fractures. A large areas one to two cm in diameter seems to have no evidence of anything that might be an orangette. In fact, most of the slice appears very fresh. However, in another portion, orangish alteration products appear to be fairly common." Comments, anyone? Interesting excercise in amateur scientific verification. I will follow up to any other contributions to this search among us collectors. (Unless you wish to post directly to the list.) And next time I get to Mono Lake I see what I can be seen on those tufas. Howard Wu Bishop, CA Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help
Latin is a dead language for a reason. The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana withdraws. Ask a question about Dhofar orangettes, I get no answer. Make a crass comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a list... Bring it on. Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hola Rosie,La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the La genus:)As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further clarification, though field studies are always another option, and while I see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) might be more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts.Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:)SaludosDoug DawnMexicoEn un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard TimeDe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Enviado por Internet LOL amo amas amat amamus amatis amant I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-) But I think la cucuracha is a roach.. Rosie - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation HelpG'day,When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" ==> pron. César. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). Also if they are scientific names, the original language pronunciation must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did.In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of exceptions derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en español. On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls.SaludosDoug DawnMexicoEn un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard TimeDe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Enviado por Internet G'day all,Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you please contact me off list?Thanks,Jeff KuykenI.M.C.A. #3085www.meteorites.com.auwww.meteoritesaustralia.com Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Here come the organettes.
( Ok, that a pun of one of my favorite Brian Eno album "Here Comes the Warm Jets") I've gotten so many warped responses to the sick collector one liner I'd thought I'd try a real meteorite question: I read a feature in our local paper last weekend about the Mono Lake tufa's having carbonates formed by bateria that look similar to martian orangettes. This article is not online, but I googled others recent references to this For example: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/30jul_monolake.htm In a slice of Dhofar 019, has anyone on the list ever actually seen one of those imfamous orangettes? I have a triangle shaped micro slice and before I invest in a bigger slice I'd like to know what my chances are of seeing one with these. I hear my best chances are by looking at the "veins crossing-cutting the meteorite." (63rd AMSM 5047.pdf ) Anybody got a piece like that? Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] True collector or sick?
Dear Tom, You are truely a distubed individual and should seek professional help. However, if such event does happen, I would like a partslice. Howard Wu >Hello List, am I a true meteorite collector or just sick? I was>daydreaming tonight (?) while sitting in my back yard about seeing a huge>fireball and having meteorites showering down all around me. I then asked>myself this question and thought seriously about the answer, if a was lucky>enough to have that happen and a large individual hit me and maybe shattered>a bone in my leg, what would be the first thing I would do? After looking>deep inside myself, I could honestly say that I would drag myself along with>the meteorite inside, weigh it take a pic or two of my meteorite and leg and>email the list, then and only then would I seek medical attention!> Is this wrong? What would you do? : )>Thanks, Tom>peregrineflier <><>IMCA #6168>>>__>Meteorite-list mailing list>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>-- Pekka SavolainenJokiharjuntie 4FIN-71330 RasalaFINLAND+ 358 400 818 912Group Home Page: http://www.smartgroups.com/groups/eurocoinGroup Email Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Holy Ureilites!!
Here's a slightly better article on this topic of White dwarf diamond core. http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/huge_diamond_space.html?1322004 HowardHoward Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: See this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3492919.stm Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Holy Ureilites!!
See this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3492919.stm Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Spirit Rover Establishes New Mars Driving Record
Yeah Spirit! Good enough for a first down when before it looked like they were going to punt! HowardRon Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: http://www.spaceflightnow.com/mars/mera/040210spirit.htmlSpirit rover establishes new Mars driving recordBY JUSTIN RAYSPACEFLIGHT NOWFebruary 10, 2004The rover Spirit drove into the Martian history books Monday night by makingthe longest single-day traverse on the Red Planet, eclipsing the mark set byMars Pathfinder's Sojourner rover in 1997. Spirit cruised 69.6 feet (21.2 meters), shattering Sojourner's record of 23 feet (7meters). "The basic goal was drive as far as they could and see how things went in thetime they had. They did very well," mission manager Jim Erickson said of theSpirit rover controllers. "They used two different types of drives. A blind drive -- a pre-planned withno hazardous avoidance turned on -- for 13 meters. And then they performed adrive with a go-to waypoint." That second drive instructed the rover to drive from one point to another on itsown, making a turn autonomously. "Everything seemed to go fine there," Erickson said. Spirit is headed for a large crater in the distance called Bonneville. Exactly howlong it will take to reach the target isn't known, but engineers hope the amountof driving will increase each day. "Tomorrow's plan is further driving. The day after that is driving even further,"Erickson said. "I expect we are going to start out kind of slow -- although 21.2 meters is notthat slow -- and built up as we get more experience in long-term driving." Spirit began roving late Sunday, leaving behind the first rock it examined. Thecraft moved 21 feet (6.4 meters), and simply drove over the pyramid-shapedAdirondack. The rover spent several weeks parked in front of Adirondack as the scienceinstruments examined the rock, determining the mineral and elementalcomposition. The Rock Abrasion Tool then carved a small hole into Adirondackto remove the outer surface. "It's really opened up a window into the interior of this (rock) that we can useto understand this rock really well," lead scientist Steve Squyres said. With the cutting complete, the Microscopic Imager, Alpha Particle X-RaySpectrometer and Mossbauer Spectrometer instruments then examined theRAT hole. "What you are seeing there is a beautifully cut, almost polished rock surface,"Squyres said, referring to the microscopic image. "It looks very, very much like-- in the image -- a volcanic rock, a basalt. And, in fact, when we look at thiswith the APXS and Mossbauer, we find compelling compositional evidence that,in fact, what we are looking at is a volcanic basaltic rock. "So the RAT has revealed the interior of this rock. We know what it is -- apiece of volcanic stuff. And it is time to move on." __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Dag 1037 Not Another Martian?
Hi list, I'm back from Tuscon too. Will write my "Tucson adventure blog" later but first I have a question. I just saw Christian Anger put up a crumb of Dag1037. How come I haven't see this martian mention before? It is not on the Mars Meteorite home page Supposedly it is a big find. Who has the skinny on this one? Not jist another new no. of the Dag pairing, is it? Erich has some on his mars page. I was three feet from Erich Saturday night. Decide I'd wait to see and talk to him in his room on my way out of town, but couldn't find any parking near the Publeo Inn by so missed him. Darn. Erich, if you have email in your room and get this could you write me before you head home. Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Sees Tiny Spheres in Martian Soil
This is a meteorite crater. Perhaps these are like the spheroids they find in the Arizona crater? HowardRon Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICEJET PROPULSION LABORATORYCALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGYNATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATIONPASADENA, CALIFORNIA 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011http://www.jpl.nasa.govGuy Webster (818) 354-5011Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202) 358-1547NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.NEWS RELEASE: 2004-051 February 4, 2004Opportunity Sees Tiny Spheres in Martian SoilNASA's Opportunity has examined its first patch of soil in the smallcrater where the rover landed on Mars and found strikingly sphericalpebbles among the mix of particles there."There are features in this soil unlike anything ever seen on Marsbefore," said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.,principal investigator for the science instruments on the two MarsExploration Rovers.For better understanding of the soil, mission controllers at NASA'sJet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., plan to use Opportunity'swheels later this week to scoop a trench to expose deeper material.One front wheel will rotate to dig the hole while the other fivewheels hold still.The spherical particles appear in new pictures from Opportunity'smicroscopic imager, the last of 20 cameras to be used on the two rovermissions. Other particles in the image have jagged shapes. "Thevariety of shapes and colors indicates we're having particles broughtin from a variety of sources," said Dr. Ken Herkenhoff of the U.S.Geological Survey's Astrogeology Team, Flagstaff, Ariz.The shapes by themselves don't reveal the particles' origin withcertainty. "A number of straightforward geological processes canyield round shapes," said Dr. Hap McSween, a rover science team memberfrom the University of Tennessee, Knoxville. They include accretionunder water, but apparent pores in the particles make alternativepossibilities of meteor impacts or volcanic eruptions more likelyorigins, he said.A new mineral map of Opportunity's surroundings, the first ever donefrom the surface of another planet, shows that concentrations ofcoarse-grained hematite vary in different parts of the crater. Thesoil patch in the new microscopic images is in an area low inhematite. The map shows higher hematite concentrations inside thecrater in a layer above an outcrop of bedrock and on the slope justunder the outcrop. Hematite usually forms in association with liquid water, so it holdsspecial interest for the scientists trying to determine whether therover landing sites ever had watery environments possibly suitable forsustaining life. The map uses data from Opportunity's miniaturethermal emission spectrometer, which identifies rock types from adistance."We're seeing little bits and pieces of this mystery, but we haven'tpieced all the clues together yet," Squyres said.Opportunity's Moessbauer spectrometer, an instrument on the rover'srobotic arm designed to identify the types of iron-bearing minerals ina target, found a strong signal in the soil patch for olivine. Olivineis a common ingredient in volcanic rocks. A few days of analysis maybe needed to discern whether any fainter signals are from hematite,said Dr. Franz Renz, science team member from the University of Mainz,Germany.To get a better look at the hematite closer to the outcrop,Opportunity will go there. It will begin by driving about 3 meters (10feet) tomorrow, taking it about halfway to the outcrop. On Friday itwill dig a trench with one of its front wheels, said JPL's Dr. MarkAdler, mission manager.Opportunity's twin, Spirit, today is reformatting its flash memory, apreventive measure that had been planned for earlier in the week. "Wespent the last four days in the testbed testing this," Adler said."It's not an operation we do lightly. We've got to be sure it worksright." Tomorrow, Spirit will resume examining a rock calledAdirondack after a two-week interruption by computer memory problems. Controllers plan to tell Spirit to brush dust off of a rock andexamine the cleaned surface tomorrow.Each martian day, or "sol," lasts about 40 minutes longer than anEarth day. Spirit begins its 33rd sol on Mars at 2:43 a.m. Thursday,Pacific Standard Time. Opportunity begins its 13th sol on Mars at3:04 p.m. Thursday, PST. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of SpaceScience, Washington, D.C. Images and additional information about theproject are available from JPL at http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.govand from Cornell University athttp://athena.cornell.edu/ .-end-__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] NEWS NWA 2046
Would that new be...? THERE'S ALOT MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM. Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to congratulate all of you who bought NWA 2046, the Olivine-orthopyroxene-phyric Shergottite from me. I have just recieved news that is going to break very soon that will make this meteorite far more interesting than before. You will all hear it soon enough, but it is likely to go on CNN. It does have something to do with the Spirit Mars rover...The price is no longer valid on my website. It is being pulled from sale. Mike Farmer__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
RE: [meteorite-list] Specific Gravity method /calculation error
Why not just use a graduated measuring cup. You can even stick it in a condom or plastic bag and suck the air out for an estimated dry measurement. Howard WuRoman Nakonechny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Thanks John. A visit to our great ally France oughtta git yew metricized mighty quick-like . The delta component of your calculation cause a Cold Fusion Reaction inthe coffee can and now there's a great depression in the earth where my suburb used to be.We need to get our stories straight, John. ={:-)> L A T E R ~~~*Roman>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]>CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: [meteorite-list] Specific >Gravity method /calculation error>Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:39:52 +>>Roman and others,>>I guess I really am slow/dumb. your SG answers maybe too small right now...>>Well if you haven't blown anything up...I'm lucky. My calculation has an>error in it from the other day. In the volume part of the equation I left >out>the division by 4 when using the diameter for area. If you use the >radius(1/2>diameter)...then you don't need the 4. The corrected method is below:>***>>Then I use a cylinder(round) shaped coffee can for small items, or a >straight>sided bucket for larger items to determine the volume of the object by the>change in height of the water: first without the object and then with the>object. As a slow American I use a stick rule in inches to figure this out.>>so it goes like this:>>determine weight in OUNCES>>Determine the change in volume in the water level by measuring the:>HEIGHT without object first>HEIGHT with the object second>>The difference in height in inches is then used to calculate the SG along>with some conversions factors to get it into grams/centimeter cubed.>>change or delta Volume = Area of container circle x inches in >height(change)>delta V =(pie or 3.14...)x diameter(inches) squared)x(height change in>inches)/4 (Note: this is where I has left out the 4)>>delta V is a number in inches cubed>>the conversion formula without all the details is as follows:>>SG = (object in OUNCES/delta V in inches cubed)x(0.06102/0.03527) = SG in>grams/cm cubed (Note: without the 4 your SG answer would have been 4>times smaller)>>0.06102 is the conversion of cubic inches to cubic centimeters>0.03527 is the conversion of ounces to grams.>>For the smart users of metric the metric systemthe answer is determined>by the change in volume in cubic centimeters cubed and the weight in grams >or:>>Weight in grams/change in Volume in centimetes cubed (now that seems easier>doesn't it) = grams/cm cubed>>Bottom line is most rocks have SG of 1.5 to 3, heavier rocks full of iron>>like stony meteorites are in the 3 to 5 range, and steel and it's metal>friends like iron meteorites are in the neighborhood of 7 to 8. Silver and>Lead in the 10 to 11 range and gold all the way up near 18 to 19.>>Sheesh,>>John>>>__>Meteorite-list mailing list>[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list_Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up fast & reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-us&page=dialup/home&ST=1__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] AD-SALE: LAFAYETTE CRUMBS- Quick pre-Tucson flashsale!
Hello List. Yes Lafayette! An All-American Martian find! The only potential terrorist you're supporting is me. Help send a poor country acupuncturist to Tuscon. I've just posted for quick sale six Lafayette crumbs lots. (One start Monday for Tuesday night.) The largest- smallest micros you'll see this week! Some of these are 1day auctions so if you snooze, you loose. Sensational and anytime! You'll wont see me be doing this again. Here's the ebay link to the "big boy." Then see "seller's other items." http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=610539&category=3239 If your at the show, I will hand deliver. And thanks for your support Howard Wu Bishop, CA (newforwu)BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Spirit Restored to Health
"Each martian day, or "sol" lasts about 40 minutes longer thanan Earth day. Spirit begins its 30th sol on Mars at 12:44a.m. Monday, Pacific Standard Time. Opportunity begins its10th sol on Mars at 1:05 p.m. Monday, PST. The two roversare halfway around Mars from each other." If I could get an extra 40minutes of sleep in every morning I'd feel great too! Howard Wu PS. Just got my other Lafayette crumbs lots out on ebay- My way of celebrating before Tuscon. Some are running one day and three day. Plus one more modest lot on runs start tomorrow ending Tuesday night with my first lot. That will be it. IF YOU SNOOZE, YOU LOOSE!!BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80
[meteorite-list] Ad Help?
Dear List, I'm rather new at doing an ebay listings and html for that matter. I've just listed a cool micro on ebay but for the life of me I can't figure why my pictures aren't loading. I got one to load using an alternet method. I have a few other micro I'd like to list but I got to figure out why my simplest of html code isn't working before I do. Can any of you experts tell me what I did or not do. Or is ebay's screwing me up? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=313855&category=3239 Oh by the way I have a few more Lafayette crumbs I'm hoping to sell for pocket change for Tuscon. Sincerely, Howard Wu BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cleaning Meteorites
You can buy 99% isopropanol at the drugstore if you look for it. I no longer find it at my local Riteaid but picked up two bottles at Vons before the strike. HowardRYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good Evening List,As long as we're talking about cleaning specimens, would isopropyl alcohol be ok for touching up an achondrite? Due to the fact that it has 30% water content, I wouldn't use it on any visable metal bearing meteorites. But would it be ok on an achondrite? Any input will be appreciated. Thanks!-Ryan__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listBT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cleaning Meteorites
You can buy 99% isopropanol at the drugstore if you look for it. I no longer find it at my local Riteaid but picked up two bottles at Vons before the strike. HowardRYAN PAWELSKI <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good Evening List,As long as we're talking about cleaning specimens, would isopropyl alcohol be ok for touching up an achondrite? Due to the fact that it has 30% water content, I wouldn't use it on any visable metal bearing meteorites. But would it be ok on an achondrite? Any input will be appreciated. Thanks!-Ryan__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listBT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80
Re: [meteorite-list] Cleaning Meteorites
That should silence some oldtime skeptics. Now if we can only narrow that down to where in the Mojave. :<) Howard Wu (Somewhere in the Upper Mojave ) Speaking for myself, I never purposely remove calichefrom my finds. This even includes the Los Angelesmeteorite. And I'm so glad that I didn't, because itturned out that a group of Swiss researchers foundthat caliche to be of some scientific interest. Inthe course of their testing it was revealed that thecaliche on LA001 came from the Mojave Desert. BT Yahoo! Broadband - Free modem offer, sign up online today and save £80
Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars
I was rather hoping they'd find whiskey. I wouldn't freeze up at night and would give list members another reason to go to mars. Howard Wu Bishop, CA PS. Looks more likely that I'll be going to Tuscon as my co-pilot has given me a go. mark ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Bernd,Superb!That just has to have been made by water!, you even can see smallstreams and a shoreline (when you zoom in). I think that's one the best photo of mars I have ever seen!Just imagine what is to come..Mark FordThe information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/orlegally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it isaddressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status.Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete thismessage from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person,copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Space Race- NY Times
A lttle off topic, but here's a good article on the potential coming spacerace with China. Let hope instead for healthy competition, if not cooperation in space exploration in this century. Howard Wu http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/22/international/asia/22SPAC.html?pagewanted=1&th Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] USA meteortites.
It seem less strange that Americans are finding "fresh" meteorites in the vast western United States by weekenders than that they are all headed to Sahara Africa to '"seed" them here. No one is getting rich of of selling American meteorties.Most are being kept by the finders.There is very little market in them at all. We are talking almost exclusively of ordinary chondrites found on dry lake beds not rare types. It would take a giant comspiracy of all these collectors to pull this off and for what reason. I suspect this acquisation stems from a guilty conscience projected onto others. Howard WiDNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me!Lido de Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] USA meteortites.
DNAndrews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:>Mike and others,>>I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss >Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over >time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap >that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times.>>>From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with >my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select >few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make.>>If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the >list also...without a problem. >>My apologies to all...including Matteo,> >I agree whole-heartedly John. I miss Bernd too, as he was the DataHound/Librarian of our list and he is/will be sorely missed. It's a shame it came to this to make him leave. However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me!Lido de Dave__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Save the Hubble!
http://www.savethehubble.org/petition.jsp Why not? Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Politics in action: Hubble vs. Space station.
Just heard on the radio new that NASA has now offically cancelled the next proposed Hubble instrument upgrade in favor for completion of the Space station that has yet to be of scientific use. Space science has being highly politicized this week if some of us like it or not. Maybe it alway has been since Sputnik.( Herschel?...Galieo?) No further comment. Will take discusion offline not to offend those with political allergies. Please keep it non partisan. Howard Wu ( Maybe NASA could resale the Hubble on ebayto the Chinese) Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] political views and opinions on Met-List
Hello John and list, My appologies for starting this, but I was sharing articles about Mars and space exploration. It is just consequential that this topic intersected politics this week. If you seen my recent postings I've held my tounge at Bush bashing on the list. As Nasa is a government agency and space developement can be nationalistic or be about international co-operation there are important subjects that can't be totally avoided. This week our government has put out it's blueprint for the future for the next quarter century that I hope will care us through many administrations. Personally I hope this won't be co-opted by one party that just happens to be in power today. The greater issue this century is also how will the USA, China, European, Russian and private organization compete or co-opperate in space. Or even will we continue to have a space program at all. On the dark side will the helium 3 resources on the moon be used for the greater good of humanity and to save the planet or will we millitarize space. At least with the US- Libian conflict being resolved perhaps we can real data on those NWA. Is that meteoritic enough for you? Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Randy, Howard, Mark, Piper and others,Do you think it is possible to refrain from using this list as a platform for political rhetoric? We all have one...and occasionally crap has to flow out of them to stay healthy. However, I'd rather not have to share these left and right bowel movements from you all.Let's get back to Mars rover tracks, strange but true meteorites, and wacked out Proud Tom ideas before we go off the deep end again.tanx,Independent JohnPS And no more wanabee US and Italian Marine chest beating either. __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Spin
Hey, I just find this stuff. I don't write it. For example: http://www.markfiore.com/animation/rovers.html I put that article up as I thought many of you would find that of interest no matter which side you sit on. Though for different reasons. There's room in space for liberals and neocons. Please check your rayguns at the ionosphere. Anyhow about the Haliburton story, isn't that what many of us have been saying that space technologies have earth aplications. Maybe they can use some of their war profits to help finance the next shuttle. Then maybe they won't. I heard the troops love Haliburton workers because they taken over latrine duty. That's real privitization. Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: "MommyMommywhat are those?" "Don't stare sweetiethey're just angry liberals. They don't know any better." * EVERYBODY read Howard's links. Do it now. Don't just read the Mars story, read them all. I can't wait until Nov. to vote (again) against this idiot Chimp some call the President of the US Randy >From: Howard Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative >Date: Thu, 15 Jan 2004 22:47:05 + (GMT) > > >Haliburton and Mars? > >http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=8473 > >Howard Wu > Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
Haliburton and Mars? http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF&b=8473 Howard Wu Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Red Planet Profits
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative
In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be left behind, so says Bush's science advisors. Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one way. Howard WuMartin Altmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: They found oil there? Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready? Martin A. - Original Message - From: Christopher Scott To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 7:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris. The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that. Christopher - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2004 9:45 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (for drinking and such) on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth. Thanks, TomPeregrineflier <>
RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle
Is there a way that you could magnetize the pieces enough to stick together? our use little magnets inbetween the pieces. Howard Wumark ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Sonny,Maybe you could glue some of it together but put plastic or woodspacers on some of the pieces so that they are held say half an inchfrom each other so that the rock looks 'exploded' ( so then you can seeinside too, and still get an idea of the original shape. I have seenthis done with fossils and similar.Look here to see what I mean :http://www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/zentren/experimentelle_medizin/informatik/vm3dn/bs_exploded.htmlJust a thought?Mark-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite PuzzleHi,I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put backtogether with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use . Itwould be nice to put back together, but once it's glued thats it.Thanks SonnyThe information contained in this email may be commercially sensitive and/orlegally privileged. It is intended solely for the person(s) to whom it isaddressed. If you are not a named recipient, you are on notice of its status.Please notify the sender immediately by reply e-mail and then delete thismessage from your system. You must not disclose it to any other person,copy or distribute it or use it for any purpose.__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
In his amazin book "The Millenian Project: Eight Easy Steps to Space Colonizaton" Marshall Savage suggest that we build a electromagnetic lauch in Kenya to send material up to space. If you haven't read this book find it. It is the best single author plan for space explotation I know. Howard Wu Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello List, Does anyone know if we but a base on the Moon, how will we getthere? Can we look forward to seeing a new Rocket, or would we rely on theshuttle? It is time for a new form of space travel!!!Thanks, TomPeregrineflier <><IMCA 6168__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: MOON TRAVEL?
In his amazin book "The Millenian Project: Eight Easy Steps to Space Colonizaton" Marshall Savage suggest that we build a electromagnetic lauch in Kenya to send material up to space. If you haven't read this book find it. It is the best single author plan for space explotation I know. Howard Wu Tom aka James Knudson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hello List, Does anyone know if we but a base on the Moon, how will we getthere? Can we look forward to seeing a new Rocket, or would we rely on theshuttle? It is time for a new form of space travel!!!Thanks, TomPeregrineflier <><IMCA 6168__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2
Primer follow up: Theory is that a shell of comets surround the solar system in the Oort cloud past Neptune, and then ocassionally one is disturb into falling into the inner solar system. There was a hypothesis proposed that there was a dark companion star to the sun with an ecentric orbit of 26 million years that rains down comets periodically causing episodic extinctions. Look up "Nemesis" for more info. HowardRon Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know I should research this myself but I hope I can get a relatively brief > answer upon which I can look further into this question if deemed worthwhile. > How does a small object like a comet, especially, travel for billions of > years constantly venting and releasing matter continue to exist? Why doesn't > it dissipate into virtual nothingness?> Some comets have been observed to split apart. SOHO has observed many of the sun grazersto fall apart entirely. But not all comets will just disappear. They'll eventuallylose all of their volatiles and become a burnt-out comet. At that point they willresemble an asteroid. There are a few asteroids that we suspect to be former comets -they are in very elongated orbits, but have not formed a tail.Comet Wild 2 is considered to be a 'fresh' comet. It has been in the innersolar system for only about 30 years. Prior to 1974, Comet Wild 2 was in a distant orbitthat crossed the orbits of Jupiter and Uranus. A close flyby of Jupiter in September 1974radically perturbed its orbit closer to the Sun. Its orbits now crosses the orbit of Mars at perihelion and the orbit at Jupiter at aphelion. Being closer to the Sun means it now a much brighter object, and Paul Wild discovered the comet in 1978.Ron Baalke__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Stardust Flyby Images of Comet Wild 2
Primer follow up: Theory is that a shell of comets surround the solar system in the Oort cloud past Neptune, and then ocassionally one is disturb into falling into the inner solar system. There was a hypothesis proposed that there was a dark companion star to the sun with an ecentric orbit of 26 million years that rains down comets periodically causing episodic extinctions. Look up "Nemesis" for more info. HowardRon Baalke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I know I should research this myself but I hope I can get a relatively brief > answer upon which I can look further into this question if deemed worthwhile. > How does a small object like a comet, especially, travel for billions of > years constantly venting and releasing matter continue to exist? Why doesn't > it dissipate into virtual nothingness?> Some comets have been observed to split apart. SOHO has observed many of the sun grazersto fall apart entirely. But not all comets will just disappear. They'll eventuallylose all of their volatiles and become a burnt-out comet. At that point they willresemble an asteroid. There are a few asteroids that we suspect to be former comets -they are in very elongated orbits, but have not formed a tail.Comet Wild 2 is considered to be a 'fresh' comet. It has been in the innersolar system for only about 30 years. Prior to 1974, Comet Wild 2 was in a distant orbitthat crossed the orbits of Jupiter and Uranus. A close flyby of Jupiter in September 1974radically perturbed its orbit closer to the Sun. Its orbits now crosses the orbit of Mars at perihelion and the orbit at Jupiter at aphelion. Being closer to the Sun means it now a much brighter object, and Paul Wild discovered the comet in 1978.Ron Baalke__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites on Mars
Perhaps they will find some rare terran meteorites! Just we need billion dollar earthrocks.Basilicofresco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: At 05.53 07/01/2004 -0800, Paul wrote:>>a dream bonanza where there are meteorites everywhere! >It is an interesting idea for these reasons:>1. Mars' thinner atmosphere means more >meteorites survive the fall though it >than on Earth.Ok it's true, but this also implies the impact speed is greater. >3. Little, if any water, and very low temperatures mean that the weathering,>which destroys meteorites on Earth, is almost nonexistent on that part of>Mars. Thus, once a meteorite falls, it remains there for virtually forever.What about the day thermal excursion? In the earth desert it turn the rocksin sands...>does this mean some of out list members>will be planning a trip there soon? :-)LoL! :))bye,> Dave <__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Star registration?
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tincture of Blue Moon (Was Mad Cow)
I don't drink, but whenever I know anyone going south of the border I have them bring me back a liter bottle of 196 proof for medicinal purposes for under ten dollars. Tequila can also be had for cheap, but only one litter per body per day. Howard[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John,You haven't purchased Tequila lately! Maybe $10.00 a gram for Tequila Gold? The Tempe BIG blue barrel cactus rum special is definitely not Tequila! saludos,DougEn un mensaje con fecha 01/03/2004 2:52:29 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe: Still working on that $10.00 gallon of tequila from New Years, huh?John Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Mad Dog and Nakhla
Need I remind you that in-flu-enza was originally believed to "flow" from the river of stars. Today we think it comes from pigs and ducks from China on airplanes. HowardDavid Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dear Howard (TaurusB.);Suppose that the Nakhla dog could have been struck with fairies and that this would have originated canine rabies, or even cats with distemper? Yikes, maybe my senility is related to meteorites in one way and another!Sprites pitching space rocks...pixies with pallesites...Ouch,DAve F.Howard Woo wrote:> Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. > Then there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. > Only possible way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a > micro fragment. Vaca Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the > range only witnessed by cows could be the culprit. And maybe the tale > of the cow jumping over the moon is a oral record of space cows > observed by aboriginals. Perhaps why cows are sacred in India is they > were once visited by cows from space millenia ago>> >> Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.)>> >>> Francis Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:>> "We still had hamburgers for dinner that night,"> he said. "The odds of> being hit by a meteorite are much greater than> anyone in America dying> of mad cow disease.">> Interestingly, there is some science behind the> speculation that something like a prion protovirus may> have been carried to the early Earth by a meteorite,> since life on Earth seems to have developed within 400> Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, since> there are also models for a rapid RNA world that might> work.> Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was not> brought by a meteorite though, since it is too> host-specific. Unless there are cows in space. Now> that would make interesting meteorites. :)>> Francis Graham>>> __> Do you Yahoo!?> Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003> http://search.yahoo.com/top2003>> __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list>> > Yahoo! Messenger > > - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download > Messenger Now > __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Mad Cow and Vaca Muerta
Prions are supposedly heat resistant and carry no genetic material. Then there is the question of how a prion would get into a cows brain. Only possible way I can think of is a direct impact to the skull by a micro fragment. Vaca Muerta comes to mind though any fall out in the range only witnessed by cows could be the culprit. And maybe the tale of the cow jumping over the moon is a oral record of space cows observed by aboriginals. Perhaps why cows are sacred in India is they were once visited by cows from space millenia ago Taurus the Bull..(i.e.Too ashame to sign my name to this one.) Francis Graham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: "We still had hamburgers for dinner that night," he said. "The odds of being hit by a meteorite are much greater than anyone in America dying of mad cow disease."Interestingly, there is some science behind thespeculation that something like a prion protovirus mayhave been carried to the early Earth by a meteorite,since life on Earth seems to have developed within 400Mya after cooling. But no one can be sure yet, sincethere are also models for a rapid RNA world that mightwork.Certainly the prion that causes mad cow was notbrought by a meteorite though, since it is toohost-specific. Unless there are cows in space. Nowthat would make interesting meteorites. :)Francis Graham__Do you Yahoo!?Find out what made the Top Yahoo! Searches of 2003http://search.yahoo.com/top2003__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] the nuns having fun.
They will need to arrange their own transportation as will us all but they can probably find cheap accomodations at the Cloister I stayed at last year, The Roadrunner Hostel. Howard Wu"Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good afternoon list.I got a very unusal email about 2 weeks ago from a NUNorder from georgia.I guess they had been monitering the meteorite list andthought it would be cool to go to tucson next year.But what is so weird isthat want to know if they can go with me.Well as you all know I have roundtrip airfair there and back.NO ROOM FOR ANYONE!!They thought that I soundlike a fun guy and that I could show them the sites and sounds oftucson.What do you think list should I show them all the sites and soundsof tucson???They are going to have to get there on thier own.Maybe theycould ask the FLYING NUN to come out of retirement and they could all flyAIRGOD.Well this is one of the most bizarre emails I have evergotten.Comments of any kind would be welcome.Even proud tom can't top thisone.Hey I was thinking, I don't think even MATTEO could top iteither.Matteo and proud tom???Nah! It could never be!steve arnold, chicago=Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comhttp://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/__Do you Yahoo!?New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.http://photos.yahoo.com/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] new auctions-Nevada puzzle
Not unlike selling swatches of the Mona Lisa. How sad :( Howard Wu"Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Good afternoon list.I added 9 new auctions to my ebay account today.6 ofthem are fragments from my new unclassified nevada meteorite.I also 3canyon diablos, a piece of henbury, and the best of all, a 30.4 gram 100%fully fusion crusted whole individual of NWA xxx.Good luck in your biddingand remember, bid high and bid often.The link is on the bottom of thisemail to my ebay page.steve arnold, chicago=Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.comhttp://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/__Do you Yahoo!?New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.http://photos.yahoo.com/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
[meteorite-list] Fellowship of the puzzle meteorite.
Wonderful idea, Lets not loose this Nevada treasure to bad stewardship. Sell the frags together at Tuscon and keep a registry of the puzzle owners. Maybe at Blood's Auction, or raffle them. I'd take a piece under those conditions. Howard Wu[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here is an idea for Tucson.Trade or sell all the puzzle pieces to the usual attendees...then every year there could be the "Humpty Dumpty Puzzle Party" hosted by Steve. You could invite Bob to come and put it all the pieces back together again for posterity...and for some laughs of course.You might want to number them first. JD> Hi and good morning list.Since I have so much of this new nevada> meteorite, I have decided to put a piece for trade if anyone is> interested.It is a 75 gram fragment.It measures 7cm x 3.5cm x 1.5cm.It is> very good size.It has alot of crust and on the underside there is still> alot of the desert varnish still there.Please let me know if interested.I> can send you a pic if you want.> > steve> > => Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 > I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 > Illinois Meteorites > website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com> http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/> > > > > > __> Do you Yahoo!?> New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing.> http://photos.yahoo.com/> > __> Meteorite-list mailing list> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] NP Article, 10-1958 Moon Meteorites, Nininger
>If an American or Russian space rocket hits the Moon with a nuclear warhead, the explosion will blast lose tons of lunar surface and send blazing bombardment of meteors against the Earth. Sounds like a good use for those old nukes. Let's roll! Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
If you must you can ad hoc vote by blocking your mailer, If everyone unanimously blocks that person the results are the same as getting ban. Else not he/she is still in. Anonymous (I wish)"Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is there a proper way to get someone banned from the list? Like by voting? Please let me know. Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. Yahoo! Messenger - Communicate instantly..."Ping" your friends today! Download Messenger Now
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Stewnfields??
Why do people look for meteorites out in the desert or on dried lake beds? (Rhetorical question) More so in Antartica. There are lots of terrestial rocks in Antartica in the mountains and near the shores. Just look at those penguin rookeries. However you don't find ice sheets in the Sahara. The bedrock can be as much as two miles beneath the surface of these. These glaciers also flow as a block few inches a year taking these fallen rocks with them.This natural conveyor belt concentrates ancient falls near the foothills of mountain ranges where sublimation and wind re-exposes these ancient falls. I've have friend who have gone to Antartica but you can only take back pictures. Try Greenland. Howard meteoriteshow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Is it? It must be special from Antarctica because when this sound happens in the Sahara Desert, it is either a pothole or a stone which not extraterrestrial... It is true that stones in Antarctica are most of the time not terrestrial! When are you taking me there Howard? I'd like to... Bye and thanks. Fred - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: E. L. Jones ; meteoriteshow Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Stewnfields?? How meteorites where first found in Antartica: Did you mention that lots of antartic is covered with ice two miles deep so that if your driving around in your snow mobile and hear a "thump..thump" cause you hit a rock, you've found a meteorite fallen from the sky. Howard Wu"E. L. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The short answer is-- like everywhere else, they have been accumulating over time but they've been in deep freeze for eons and there have been no meteorite list members there to pick them up--well actually there have been some meteorite list members there picking them up but that is another story.Magnetism has nothing to do with concentrating meteorite falls. I can see where one might make that inference. Meteorites are found in Antarctica because, in several places, the flowing ice gets thrust up hill over a mountain ridge like a push-up popcicle. There the ice is ablated/scoured away by the wind. This leaves anything that has fallen into the ice left, or churned up by the ice lying on the surface. Meteorites and other rocks lie atop of the ice formation they were formerly buried in. Against the white background they are easier for researchers to find. I say this to make the point that not everything on the ice is a meteorite.More meteorites may be"found" there but there is no evidence that more meteorites "fall" there.Eltonmeteoriteshow wrote:> Hi Doug and List,> > I also wonder about another point on meteorite falls... Since I > started hunting them, I thought that they can fall anywhere, the > location of their landing place depending on their orbit around the > sun and the angle they meet the Earth with. Is that right or are there > any areas on our planet where they get more "attracted" ?> There have been more finds in Antarctic than anywhere else, but I > guess that it's simply because people have been searching for them > there for a longer time, but can it be for another reason ? Has the > magnetic field linking the poles any effect (like for boreal auroras) > ? ...> I'm not a scientist and maybe my question sounds strange, but should > anybody have a clear and easy to understand explanation, thanks in > advance for sending it, just for my knowledge.> Kind regards> > Frederic Beroud> www.meteoriteshow.com > IMCA #2491__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save £80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save £80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.
Re: [meteorite-list] Dry Lake Stewnfields??
How meteorites where first found in Antartica: Did you mention that lots of antartic is covered with ice two miles deep so that if your driving around in your snow mobile and hear a "thump..thump" cause you hit a rock, you've found a meteorite fallen from the sky. Howard Wu"E. L. Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The short answer is-- like everywhere else, they have been accumulating over time but they've been in deep freeze for eons and there have been no meteorite list members there to pick them up--well actually there have been some meteorite list members there picking them up but that is another story.Magnetism has nothing to do with concentrating meteorite falls. I can see where one might make that inference. Meteorites are found in Antarctica because, in several places, the flowing ice gets thrust up hill over a mountain ridge like a push-up popcicle. There the ice is ablated/scoured away by the wind. This leaves anything that has fallen into the ice left, or churned up by the ice lying on the surface. Meteorites and other rocks lie atop of the ice formation they were formerly buried in. Against the white background they are easier for researchers to find. I say this to make the point that not everything on the ice is a meteorite.More meteorites may be"found" there but there is no evidence that more meteorites "fall" there.Eltonmeteoriteshow wrote:> Hi Doug and List,> > I also wonder about another point on meteorite falls... Since I > started hunting them, I thought that they can fall anywhere, the > location of their landing place depending on their orbit around the > sun and the angle they meet the Earth with. Is that right or are there > any areas on our planet where they get more "attracted" ?> There have been more finds in Antarctic than anywhere else, but I > guess that it's simply because people have been searching for them > there for a longer time, but can it be for another reason ? Has the > magnetic field linking the poles any effect (like for boreal auroras) > ? ...> I'm not a scientist and maybe my question sounds strange, but should > anybody have a clear and easy to understand explanation, thanks in > advance for sending it, just for my knowledge.> Kind regards> > Frederic Beroud> www.meteoriteshow.com > IMCA #2491__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save £80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.
[meteorite-list] Re: Ingesting Martians...you are what you eat?
I'm reminded that natives ate powered Mbale thinking this was a gift from the gods to cure aids. However, I would argue that there is not enough of this precious matian material on earth to waste on such vanity. Such folly supports those scientists of the opinion that meteorites should not be follishly allowed in private hands (or stomachs as the case may be.) Still my inner pantheist understands the temptation to get intimate with mars. I have given caps with crumbs of NWA998 to friends and all have had the same thought passed through their minds. Howard Wu Dave Harris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: HI,And not only did I let Hal, my youngest teeth on an ex-Krinov S-A, my other2 boys have also eaten tiny frags of Nakhla! They still talk about that tothis day, and not to their therapist either! Mmm.spacy! as H. Simpson would retortGod, I an really not a fit parent!!What a waste of a classic meteorite, eh?love and lust!daveIMCA #0092__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list BT Yahoo! Broadband - Save £80 when you order online today. Hurry! Offer ends 21st December 2003. The way the internet was meant to be.