from:"Howard Wu"

Where absentee bids release first? If that happened I would be totally 
offended. It would be a breach of contract between bidder and house. Whats to 
stop shill bidding to a nickel below absentee bids? Or a nickel over. I sent in 
two absentee bids.  I hope did not happen.
Howard J. Wu L.ac
Bishop, CA

On Feb 6, 2011, at 2:33 PM, Nigel  Julie Mann janam...@cwgsy.net wrote:

 As an absentee bidder who was not able to watch the auction stream live I 
 have been a little confused when reading recent posts regarding the auction 
 as to what exactly occurred when handling absentee bids.
 
 I had assumed that they would be treated just like any other bid from someone 
 in the audience as stated on the Auction details:   ABSENTEE BIDS will give 
 you an excellent opportunity to buy as though you were at the auction, even 
 from Europe. You offer your highest bid and are automatically bid up only 
 with the live bidding, so, you could get it well below your maximum.
 
 Did this not happen in practice?  I read mention of  absentee bids' maximums 
 being announced to the audience??
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question

I could see that happening if there were competing absentee bids that the lower 
maximum being known as the starting point

Howard J. Wu L.ac
Bishop, CA

On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:34 PM, Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net wrote:

 I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in 
 advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the 
 current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. 
 All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never 
 by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up 
 the bidder cards as the bids were made.
 
 I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) 
 however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as 
 regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was 
 absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.'
 
 Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There 
 were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in I have 
 an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?
 
 Don Edwards
 Houston, TX
 IMCA 6527
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question

I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing absentee 
bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the case.

Howard

On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote:

 That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee was 
 announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding. 
 Ryan
 Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net
 Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28 
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
 
 I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in 
 advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the 
 current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the information. 
 All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder number, never 
 by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who was holding up 
 the bidder cards as the bids were made.
 
 I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...) 
 however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as 
 regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was 
 absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.'
 
 Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early. There 
 were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as in I have 
 an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?
 
 Don Edwards
 Houston, TX
 IMCA 6527
 
 
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question

Unless an in house bidder is blind or not alert there is no way to escape that 
advantage.  Plus being able to continue bidding if they chose. This is 
different than knowing a maximum bid in advance.

Howard J. Wu L.ac
Bishop, CA

On Feb 6, 2011, at 4:17 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:

 Regardless of whether the absentee bidder's actual amount was
 announced - as I understand it, all bidders are announced as numbers -
 there is no distinction between live bidders, absentee bidders, proxy
 bidders, or house bidders.  That the live audience knew the current
 bid (or any bid) was an absentee bidder gives the live bidders who are
 there in person an advantage.  And this also goes against what was
 stated in the auction rules on Mr. Blood's website that was quoted
 earlier in this thread.
 
 That's my understanding of how live auctions work.  Maybe I am wrong.
 
 
 On 2/6/11, Howard Wu freewu2...@yahoo.com wrote:
 I could see that happening only if there were more than one competing
 absentee bids. That is where the auction would begin. I hope this was the
 case.
 
 Howard
 
 On Feb 6, 2011, at 3:42 PM, fallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote:
 
 That is incorrect. There were several occasions where the max. absentee
 was announced as live floor bidders were actively bidding.
 Ryan
 Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Don Edwards iceda...@swbell.net
 Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sun, 6 Feb 2011 15:34:28
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tuscon auction question
 
 I was there and as I heard it, absentee MAX bids were NOT announced in
 advance but were treated as regular bids. Sometimes it was said that the
 current bid was an absentee bid but that was the extent of the
 information. All winning bidders were announced on each auction (by bidder
 number, never by name) so were not identified enless we were watching who
 was holding up the bidder cards as the bids were made.
 
 I think there may have been some problems last year (not certain, but ...)
 however this year it is my impression that absentee bids were treated as
 regular bids. At most, it would have been said that the current bid was
 absentee but the next bid would win 'in house.'
 
 Again, I do NOT remember any absentee MAX bids being given out early.
 There were a couple of cases where absentee entry bids were announced as
 in I have an absentee beginning bid of $$$, so will anyone bid ?
 
 Don Edwards
 Houston, TX
 IMCA 6527
 
 
 
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[meteorite-list] New kind of moon rock identified.

2010-12-10 Thread Howard Wu

Anybody know anything about this?

http://www.space-travel.com/reports/New_type_of_moon_rock_identified_999.html


  
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[meteorite-list] Fw: New kind of moon rock identified.

2010-12-10 Thread Howard Wu





Yeah, I had some problems posting from yahoo.com for months. But have been 
lurking. Found this article on the OOS moon rock:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20100011316_2010011566.pdf

Howard


Sent: Fri, December 10, 2010 8:07:00 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] New kind of moon rock identified.

Hi Howard,

I don't know anything about the moon rock, but its good to hear from
you on the list again.

Cheers, Martin


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorites

2010-12-02 Thread Howard Wu



I have some Mono Lake salt I'd be happy to trade for any martian meteorite.

Howard Wu
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[meteorite-list] test plain text

2010-11-25 Thread Howard Wu

test #3


  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions

2009-03-22 Thread Howard Wu


Is is right to call any or every speciemen from meteorite fall a hammer if one 
piece hits something man made, or only that piece that does the hitting.

Howard


--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote:

 From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
 To: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com, Meteorite List 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Sunday, March 22, 2009, 1:33 PM
 NO, West Texas is a hammer because it hit
 A barn  (some may argue, as well, that it hit
 A grave - but that would be a grave matter).
 Michael
 
 
  From: Bob Loeffler b...@peaktopeak.com
  Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2009 13:22:21 -0600
  To: Meteorite List
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
  
  Ok, then I'm glad I didn't start collecting
 hammers because that should
  dramatically increase the hammer count out
 there.   :-)  So West is
  definitely a hammer because it fell on farmland.
  
  Bob
  
  
  -Original Message-
  From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
  [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com]
 On Behalf Of Darren
  Garrison
  Sent: Sunday, March 15, 2009 12:41 PM
  To: 'Meteorite List'
  Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer Definitions
  
  On Sun, 15 Mar 2009 12:35:29 -0600, you wrote:
  
  Is a baseball field a human artifact?  The bases
 on the field are, so are
  the bleachers, chalk lines on the field, etc, but
 is the grass and dirt?
  If
  the grass and dirt are, then so are all of the
 house lawns across the world
  since humans planted or landscaped them.
  
  Yes, every place kept with a cover of grass which
 would, when left to
  nature,
  revert to forest in just a few years is an
 artificially maintained,
  unnatural
  human artifact.  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Artificial Lunar Meteorites?

2009-03-20 Thread Howard Wu


Compressed air wouldn't work too well on the moon, he, he.. but once you got 
your rig up why stop at one rock. Then you could bring the world powers to 
there knees and keep firing away till them made you king. Then you could call 
them whatever you wish.


--- On Thu, 3/19/09, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote:

 From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list] Artificial Lunar Meteorites?
 To: d...@fallingrocks.com, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
 meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 10:30 PM
 I've got a few silly questions...
 
 Let's say you had a large canon powered by compressed
 air or some other high pressure gas.
 
 If you fired a projectile ( a moon rock ) from the surface
 of the moon toward Earth, would you be able to create enough
 force to reach escape velocity?
 If so, how long would it take for that projectile to reach
 Earth?
 Would the projectile continue to increase speed after
 leaving the barrel of the canon or does it stay at the
 velocity from which it leaves the barrel?
 If all these things were possible, and you were able to
 calculate velocity, trajectory, and the entry point into the
 Earth's atmosphere, would the stones survive the trip
 through our atmosphere? And/or how large would the
 projectile have to be to survive atmospheric entry? (I know
 this is a loaded question, please don't get caught up on
 this one, the next one is the question I'm really
 curious about) ;)
 
 And finally...
 
 If the projectile (moon rock) did survive all of this,
 would it be considered a meteorite?
 
 Scientifically speaking wouldn't this be an interesting
 experiment?
 
 Send a lander to the moon with a BIG canon and launch some
 moon rocks dude! ;)
 
 Regards,
 Eric Wichman
 Meteorites USA
 
 
 In response to
 
 Dave Gheesling wrote:
 
 ...Meteorites don't enter our atmosphere attached
 to spheres, and presumably that artificial contraption may
 have made for a different-than-typical result
 
 All best,
 Dave
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Re: [meteorite-list] List Members, what's your job ?

2009-02-19 Thread Howard Wu

I'm a small town acupuncturist and herbalist, thus self employed. My previous 
employer in the 90's was at the lost and found at Mammoth Mountain Ski Area.

Howard Wu
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Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson

2009-02-03 Thread Howard Wu

Gee, I tried to say on topic. That Tucson highway construction has been a pain 
for years getting around the show and keeps people away. Sure wish they'd 
finish it up. There were dealers I missed as I couldn't get there from here. 
That would be good for Tucson business! Your Blood auction state tax dollars 
help pay for this.

I got a small 0.5g Iraq chondrite from Bob Eliot. I forgot where exactly.

Howard


--- On Tue, 2/3/09, David  Kitt Deyarmin bobad...@ec.rr.com wrote:

 From: David  Kitt Deyarmin bobad...@ec.rr.com
 Subject: [meteorite-list]  Reasons to go to Tucson
 To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Tuesday, February 3, 2009, 3:41 PM
 Not the whole list, just a few members
 
 
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 - Original Message - 
 From: Don Rawlings psc2410xi at
 yahoo.com
 To: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
 Sent: Monday, February 02, 2009 9:18 PM
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson
 
 
 Yeah, With Bush the money would have been spent on bombs to
 send to Iraq or
 some other place we have no business turning into killing
 fields.
 
 Don Rawlings
 
 --- On Mon, 2/2/09, Howard Wu freewu2000 at
 yahoo.com wrote:
 
 
 From: Howard Wu freewu2000 at yahoo.com
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson
 To: Arizona Keith arizonakeith at
 cox.net, ensoramanda
 ensoramanda at ntlworld.com
 Cc: meteorite-list at meteoritecentral.com
 Date: Monday, February 2, 2009, 4:06 PM
 
 
 
 Maybe with the new economic stimulus plan they
 can finnally finish up all
 that roadwork downtown.
 
 --- On Mon, 2/2/09, ensoramanda ensoramanda at
 ntlworld.com wrote:
 
  Now I'm really regretting going to
 
  Tucsonbrrr...took me nearly 2
 
  hours to drive 10 miles today...but at least I made it
 
  home.
 
 
 
  http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7865378.stm
 
 
 
  Graham Ensor ,UK
 
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Reasons to go to Tucson

2009-02-02 Thread Howard Wu


Maybe with the new economic stimulus plan they can finnally finish up all 
that roadwork downtown.

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, ensoramanda ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote:
 Now I'm really regretting going to
 Tucsonbrrr...took me nearly 2 
 hours to drive 10 miles today...but at least I made it
 home.
 
 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/7865378.stm
 
 Graham Ensor ,UK
 



  
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[meteorite-list] Tuscon's best deal.

2009-01-30 Thread Howard Wu

Now that I have local friends who invites me every year to stay with them, I 
don't mind giving up my secret spot where I use to stay at for $25 a night.(Now 
up to $35 during the show, but hey find me a cheaper flop.) It is probably too 
late to get a bunk now, but one can try to see if there any cancelations. Maybe 
next year if you plan ahead: The Roadrunner Hostel downtown on 6th Ave. Meet 
great people and share a kitchen, internet and washing. They'' even loan you a 
pass to the Nat. History Museum.

http://www.roadrunnerhostelinn.com/





  
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[meteorite-list] Obama and the price of lunars..was Good Bye Bush.

2009-01-20 Thread Howard Wu

Since our president elect doesn't seem interested in going back to the moon 
anytime soon the value of our lunar collections seem secure.


  
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[meteorite-list] LATimes- Comet hits North America 13, 000 years ago

2009-01-01 Thread Howard Wu

E.P. Grondine is going to love this one

mr. wu


http://www.latimes.com/news/science/la-sci-extinction2-2009jan02,0,896970.story
From the Los Angeles Times
Diamonds show comet struck North America, scientists say
The impact caused an ice age that killed some mammal species and many humans 
12,900 years ago, researchers report. They say the discovery of tiny 
heat-formed diamonds is proof of the catastrophe.
By Thomas H. Maugh II

1:11 PM PST, January 1, 2009

A thin layer of miniature gemstones called nanodiamonds in North American soil 
provides the strongest evidence yet that a comet struck the continent nearly 
13,000 years ago, triggering a mini-ice age that wiped out many species of 
mammals and interrupted the culture of early humans for hundreds of years.

Researchers had earlier discovered the thin layer of black soil containing 
iridium and other debris suggestive of a massive comet or meteor impact, but 
critics had suggested a variety of less dire explanations.

The discovery of the nanodiamonds, however, reported today in the journal 
Science, provides the most powerful support for the comet theory because the 
gems can only be created under the extreme temperatures and pressures of a 
massive explosion, such as a comet striking the Earth's surface.

There's no other way we can interpret the presence of these diamonds other 
than an extraterrestrial impact, said paleooceanographer James P. Kennett of 
UC Santa Barbara, one of the authors of the paper.

Such an impact would be the most likely source of nanodiamonds, critics agreed, 
but many argued that the one-page paper in Science does not provide enough 
evidence to support the authors' claim.

Nanodiamonds could be a good indicator of an impact event . . . but after 
reading the paper, I wasn't convinced they found diamonds, said physicist 
Tyrone Daulton of Washington University in St. Louis. Maybe they found 
diamonds, and maybe they didn't.

Added spectroscopist Peter Buseck of Arizona State University, I wouldn't 
question that they saw nanodiamonds, but for such a potentially important 
discovery, I would like to have it well-supported.

Archaeologist Douglas J. Kennett of the University of Oregon, lead author of 
the report and James Kennett's son, conceded that the restrictive format of the 
rapid publication limited the amount of data the team could incorporate.

But he said the presence of nanodiamonds had now been confirmed in three 
separate laboratories: There are going to be a lot of follow-up papers that 
will clearly demonstrate that these are diamonds.

The new findings may tie together a variety of hitherto mysterious events in 
North America that all occurred around the same time.

Beginning about 12,900 years ago, North America -- and perhaps the entire world 
-- entered a 1,300-year-long period of profound cooling known as the Younger 
Dryas, and often colloquially called the Big Freeze.

About that same time, at least 35 species of large mammals, such as the woolly 
mammoth, camels and mastodons, disappeared forever. The period also saw an end 
to the Paleo-Indian Clovis culture characteristic of the first inhabitants of 
the continent.

Other evidence indicates a massive decrease in salinity in the Gulf of Mexico 
at the beginning of the event, caused by melting of the Laurentide ice sheet in 
Canada. The influx of water into the gulf sharply changed circulation patterns 
in the Atlantic Ocean, which may be the proximate cause of the cooling event.

The Kennetts and their colleagues have previously reported the discovery of a 
thick mat of black soil radiocarbon-dated to 12,900 years ago at 10 
archaeological sites scattered around the continent. The layer contains 
iridium, carbon spherules and fullerenes containing helium-3, all 
characteristic of an extraterrestrial impact.

Critics, however, said the evidence was insufficient to prove an impact, 
particularly in the absence of a demonstrable crater.

James Kennett and his colleagues went back to the mats they had collected and 
performed what he termed the extremely labor-intensive process of looking for 
the nanodiamonds. That involved using acids to dissolve everything else in the 
samples, then using a variety of techniques to identify the diamond residue.

They found a family of at least five different forms of diamonds, including 
some that are formed only by impacts, they reported in the Science paper. 
Moreover, the nanodiamonds were found only at the bottom of the black mat -- 
not in the soil either below or above it.

What the team now believes is that a comet struck North America 12,900 years 
ago, breaking into pieces before reaching the ground. Heat from the massive 
explosions melted the Laurentide glacier and set off wildfires all over the 
continent, leading to the deaths of large numbers of animals -- and people.

In a series of papers presented last week at a meeting of the American 
Geophysical Union, the team also reported that at least 15 of

[meteorite-list] unsubcribe- Help Jane! Stop this crazy thing!!

2004-05-07 Thread Howard Wu

I've tried to unsubscribe before without sucess. I have now gone directly to the meteorite list page and see a subscribe but not an unsubscribe link. I've tried the the "your account" link but it seems deadend. I'm going on vacation and the meteorite list will fill my box in two days unless I unsucribe thus keeping critical mail from getting to me. 

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[meteorite-list] Somethings are better left on mars.

2004-04-19 Thread Howard Wu

Not exactlymy point of view, but I think some of you would like reading this NYT editorial:

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/19/opinion/19JUDS.html

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[meteorite-list] ebay water from Mars- Wow, too much!

2004-04-15 Thread Howard Wu

This one takes the ribbon!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=40129item=2238685021rd=1

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[meteorite-list] unsubcribe

2004-04-01 Thread Howard Wu

I can't take this anymore either, please unsubscribe me from this list for now.

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[meteorite-list] Cow's on mars!

2004-03-28 Thread Howard Wu

And were were looking for them on the Mmmoo...n.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers wakeups.

2004-03-23 Thread Howard Wu

I have a strange useless question. Does the wakeup music selection, obviously for the benifit of the workteam, actually get broadcasted to the rovers? How does that work?

HowardRon Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
http://marsrovers.jpl.nasa.gov/mission/status.htmlSPIRIT UPDATE: One Step Closer - sol 77, Mar 22, 2004Spirit woke up on sol 77, which ended at 8:24 a.m. PST on March 22, 2004, to "One Step Closer" by the Doobie Brothers, since the rover was to make its final approach to the rock target named "Mazatzal" today.Before beginning the .9-meter (2.95 feet) drive to Mazatzal, Spirit analyzed the soil target "Soil 1" at its current location with the microscopic imager and Mössbauer spectrometer. During the Mössbauer integration, Spirit also took panoramic camera images and performed miniature thermal emission spectrometer analysis of the atmosphere and Mazatzal work area.At 1:25 p.m. Mars Local Solar Time, Spirit completed the Mössbauer integration, took a few microscopic imager images of the impression left on "Soil
 1" by the Mössbauer spectrometer and then stowed theinstrument arm. Spirit then proceeded the short distance toward Mazatzal and took hazard avoidance camera images to confirm that its final resting place put the intended rock targets in reach of the instrument arm.Following the drive, the rover acquired more panoramic camera and mini thermal emission spectrometer observations of the atmosphere, and of interesting areas near the Mazatzal site including targets named "Sandbox," "Saber" and "Darksands."Spirit finished up sol 77 by getting the mini thermal emission spectrometer in position for morning observations on sol 78.Spirit will spend most of Sol 78, which will end at 9:04 a.m. PST on March 23, analyzing Mazatzal with the instruments on the robotic arm.OPPORTUNITY UPDATE: Opportunity Leaves the Nest - sol 57, Mar 22, 2004After a slightly slippery start yestersol, Opportunity made it out of
 "Eagle Crater"on sol 57, which ends at 8:45 p.m. PST on March 22. The drive along the crater's inner slope that was initiated on the last solcontinued this sol until Opportunity exited its landing-site crater. Images from the navigation camera confirm that the rover is about 9 meters (about 29.5 feet) outside of the crater.The rover also conducted remote sensing observations between naps this sol. After completing the drive out of the crater, the navigation camera imaged Opportunity's brand new view of the plains of Meridiani Planum. During the martian night, rover planners will awaken Opportunity to take miniature thermal emission spectrometer observations of the ground and the atmosphere. The song chosen to motivate Opportunity to move up and out of the crater was "If You Don't Get it the First Time, Back Up and Try it Again" by the JBs and Fred
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RE: [meteorite-list] AD:Not a happy 'Campo'

2004-03-12 Thread Howard Wu

Most Pure ethanol still has 4% water. Why not use 99% isopropanol, for the money probably the best buy.

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Re: [meteorite-list] glassface1 giving wrong info

2004-03-12 Thread Howard Wu

Hi List,
This was a glassface auction? Forgive my previous comments in in defense of Maganesse nodules. I wonder now if they are really oceanic nodules knowing this guys reputation.Who is this guy anyhow?

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Re: [meteorite-list] hilarious-glassface1- It's a Manganese nodules, what's your problem?

2004-03-11 Thread Howard Wu

Manganese nodules are very interesting ocean phenomena. If youknew your oceanography theirwould have be no confusion. They are not that rare on the bottom of the ocean but maybe in mineral collections.He clearly states this as a meteorite likewrong, so this isn't a fraud. This is much like the trinitite and fugelite posting on ebay, strange orphans that find themselves on the meteorite page.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Bernd commentary on NWA 1955

2004-03-08 Thread Howard Wu

There is also Tieschitz which has been classified as an H/L3.6. Fell july 15,1878. That is somewhat between a 3 and a 4. 

Howard Wu"stan ." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
uniqueNWA 1955 which is the only type H/L 3-4.With regards to the excusivity of nwa 1955 as an H/L 3-4 does anyone have any more information about Dho008? the Cometshop guys have been selling it as an L3.2, however I have seen refrence to it as an H/L. Any further insight would be apreciated...Stan_Frustrated with dial-up? Lightning-fast Internet access for as low as $29.95/month. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Exploration Rovers Update - March 4, 2004

2004-03-05 Thread Howard Wu

The science and engineering team built a whopping 490 commands to accomplish the most complex robotic arm operations on Mars yet. Opportunity took three mosaics on the area dubbed "Last Chance," using the microscopic imager, creating 128 images in over 200 arm moves. Each "frame" of these mosaics required multiple microscopic images. There are two reasons for this. First, the microscopic imager does not have auto-focus,

My two hundred dollar camera has autofocus and weighs less than a pound while this eight hundred million dollar baby doesn't? Maybe we should have "outsource" to Sony. ;)

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Re: [meteorite-list] Former Astronaut Glenn Criticizes Bush Space Plan

2004-03-04 Thread Howard Wu

Come on now, there are some rational criticism that can be made on scientific and bugetary grounds. And Senator Glenn has been an in the loopNASA advocate for years and very qualified to put foward an opinion.

Besides this new policy is not yet writen in stone and is likely to further evolve as time goes on. Bushie didn't write this policy he just signed off on it.It is high onFlash Gordon adventure while cutting into real science. Actually I kind of like it except for the hidden star wars elements. 

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RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Howard Wu


Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out. 

Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale.

http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1satitle=gram+scalesosortorder=1sosortproperty=3

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harlan trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



i too have heard that this should be avoided.
From: "Arizona Keith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
Subject: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? 
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700 
 
Hello List 
 
Avoid Steve Arnold of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. 
 
I just got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. 
 
First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions, but I never 
got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. 
He never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new auction 
do state this. 
 
Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595 Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a 
label stating that amount. 
 
I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted this ad. 
 
Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for there actions and 
statements or can the IMCA even help with this, he's did sell a meteorite, 
but did mislead bidders and did a bate and switch. 
 
And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly dealers using this, not 
protecting meteorite collectors, only dealers. 
 
Thanks again for your time. 
 
Keith V. 
The proudest Non-member of the IMCA. 
Chandler AZ 
 
 
 
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:28 AM 
Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions 
 
 
  Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of them starting 
  at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece of GIBEON.They are up for 
  5 days only.Bid very ,very high and bid very,very often. 
  
  THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! 
  
  = 
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RE: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?

2004-03-02 Thread Howard Wu

I have meet Steve Arnold of Chicago. I sense no malficience in Steve, though he is an agent of chaos. Hejust a crazedpasionate hobbiest, not a proffesional dealer. And he's just as likely to lose money on his meteorite churnings as he is to gain. I like him personally but I not above criticizing him inside the family of collectors for his continuous misbehavor.In regards to ebay, truth in advertizing is a minimun standerd. There is no excuse for misrepresenting weights and this is not the first time he has done that. That make him fair game.

Our meteorites are more than personal property but represent a scientific legacy in our trust. As Steve is not going away, our only hope is to reform his behavior which affect us all. While other may chose to shun his dealings,I have chosen totaken up a rolled newpaper approach to Steve. That's within my nature, while I occasionally benefit thata fool and his meteorites aresoonto become my meteorites.

That windbag of a collector
Mr. Wu

"Bernhard \"Rendelius\" Rems" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok, I think that it is time to say something positive about Steve. Ihave had about 20 transactions with him over the last 8 months, andthere was only one problem that was corrected by him pretty fast. Otherthan that, all bids I won were exactly what he offered (and some GREATdeals amongst them *g*).Well, having said that - I don't understand him in some aspects. Havingno pics with most of his auctions is pretty - well, strange, but that'sup to him, I think. Some auctions are priced ridicoulosly high, othersunbelievably low - again: this is up to him :-).I don't think that Steve is ripping others off on purpose, sometimes oneCOULD think that he doesn't really know what he does. But hey, there areonly a few professional traders - Steve is, like me, just a collector,I'd say.If Steve made a mistake, I am sure he will react
and correct it. As longas he does, everything's fine - don't you think so?Bernhard-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of DavidFreemanSent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 9:22 PMTo: Howard Wu; meteorite-listSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help?Dear All,I don't know why you penny pinchers continue to purchase from someone who doesn't adhere to good IMCA practices.I have no compassion for you.Scales is one, no reference books, what other clues do you need?Anyone to tight to throw in a riker mount box to keep customers happy should up his price to cover the box.I think there are a number of very good dealers out there that deserve your commerce more,would you like me to send you an off list list?Again, I offer no support for those that don't
learn from others grief.Dave FreemanHoward Wu wrote: Is Steve up to his bad boy behavor again? I thought last time we took him to the woodshed, we'd straightened him out. Grow up Steve!! And you continue to pinch meteorites, buy a scale. http://search.ebay.com/ws/search/SaleSearch?ht=1satitle=gram+scaleso sortorder=1sosortproperty=3ortorder=1sosortproperty=3 Howard Wu harlan trammell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: i too have heard that this should be avoided. From: "Arizona Keith" To: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" , Subject: [meteorite-list] avoid 11 new ebay auctions- can IMCA help? Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 11:48:57 -0700
Hello List Avoid Steve Arnold of Chicago auctions, unless you want to be ripped off. I just got the stuff from I won from Steve Arnold Chicago weeks ago. First he shows the meteorite in a Riker boxes in his auctions, but I never got the boxes, items showed up in plastic bags. He never stated that the box were not part of the auction, his new auction do state this. Second he list a .4 gram NWA 595 Brachinite, he sent me only .27 gram with a label stating that amount. I email Steve, he has not email me back. but posted this ad. Can the IMCA help, making sure it dealer account for there actions and statements or can the IMCA even help with this, he's did sell a meteorite, but did mislead bidders and did a bate and switch. And why the name IMCA and not IMDA, It's mostly dealers using this, not
protecting meteorite collectors, only dealers. Thanks again for your time. Keith V. The proudest Non-member of the IMCA. Chandler AZ- Original Message - From: "Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!" To: Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 5:28 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] 11 new ebay auctions Good morning list.I have uploaded 11 new auctions with 10 of them starting at $1.00.The other is a gorgeous 1.6 kilo piece of GIBEON.They are up for 5 days only.Bid very ,very high and bid very,very often. THANKS, steve arnold, chicago, usa!! = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/
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Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite economics revisited

2004-03-02 Thread Howard Wu



.Since meteorites are a non-essential commodity, if theprice is too high, people simply go without.
Rob are you kinding! They are more addictive than Heroin. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] An insight to Amgala and other recent falls

2004-03-01 Thread Howard Wu

My two cents,

After seeing the smiling faces of those kids on Mike Farmer'sThuathe page II say give those native finders whatever you can afford They deserve the windfall. 

Those professional desert dealers in townspiking prices upward each year, however is another story...screw them. Tell them a Michael Blood's declining market doldrum story. How else will they get rid of these rocks. They can't eat them. 

New meteorite fall in downtown USA, it is everyman for himself, then wait for the price to settle down to earth.

( Name withheld so not to hearreprocusions when I whine about prices to myfavorite suppliers.. thanks guys! Oops, posted on top..never mind)

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Yes, we paid 5-10 times what Tony was paying. Yes, Tony was probably pissed he had to pay a fair price afterwards, but we left him a pile of money so he could afford to. There wasn't a single piece Mike and I bought from the villagers that we felt we paid too much for. I'd be happy to pay less, but I'd still pay the same prices again for those pieces.   
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RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..

2004-02-25 Thread Howard Wu

Early warning would definitely be helpful so we could sell off our collections before the bottom falls out the meteorite market!

Howard"stan ." [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We might not be able to do anything about the impact, as in preventing it, but surely there would be alot that could be done to lessen catestrophic damage. If the impact was known about 18 hours in adavnce, I'd be willing to bet that very shortly afterwards, with the resources of the entire world (instead of just 2 telescopes doing automated survays) behind the effort it wouldnt take long to find the region of the planet an impact was likely going to uccur in.After that it would be much like a hurricane warning, except with a bit less notice. a half a day before landfall of a major hurricane unpridicitibility of the path of a major storm oftentimes puts MANY millions of people on alert. people could evacuate, or prepair to shelter in place. emergancy services would be ramped up and ready to respond should the impact occur in a highly
populated area, ect.From: "mark ford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warning about asteroid impact..Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 16:11:39 -Dirk,Mind you, there probably isn't much point in telling the world, whatwould we do? We would have no idea of where is would hit until a fewminutes before, so why panic anyway? Apart from stocking up on furcoats and food for the coming 'nuclear winter', not much else we coulddo!But hey - If I'm gonna go, I'd rather it be 'death-by-meteorite'Mark Ford-Original Message-From: drtanuki [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: 25 February 2004 12:52To: mark ford; meteorite-listSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Scientists came within minutes of warningabout
asteroid impact..Dear Mark and list, Thank you for the posting. Don`t worry the next one or two willhit! And there will be not announcement until after the fact. Masspanic would not add to any survival. Best target NE-E USA orCanadait is a cyclewhy don`t the press put that information out?Because it would only cause more panic in an uncertain world? Best toyou.Sincerely,Dirk RossYamaguchi University, Japan,Faculity of Science, Earth Sciences, Impact ResearcherThe time window for this stream ends at about 2008. _Do you Yahoo!?Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard1 - Read only the mail you want._Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from!
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[meteorite-list] India space program accident.

A little off topic, but thought some list members would be interested in this article:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/3513841.stm

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[meteorite-list] Ther is one who know who Glassface1 is.

It's time to end this glassface1 speculation. If Ron DiIulio, the "winner" of DAg476would like to give us the identity of glassface1 given to him at the end of the auction, we could collectively deal with this more clearly. I'm not suggesting any vigelantee action. But if he feels comfortable with this, it would simplify life for us .


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Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
He is a high bidder on an auction from Whittier CA, in his own backyard.Maybe the seller paolo2000 and Glassface1 one are the same? Maybe he istrying to drive up his bids by bidding on his own stuff? After all heneither are IMCA members. : ) Joking!!!Thanks, Tomperegrineflier IMCA #6168- Original Message -From: Lars Pedersen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:40 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] Glassface1 is buying too Hi all I see that mr Glassface is buying too ... or maybe playing games with someone ??http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2226830760category=3239 :-) Lars - Original Message - From: "Tom aka James
 Knudson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 5:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Glassface1's identity  Hello List, It has been said that glassface1 is likely a list member playing  a joke. I believe they are right, the seller knows to much and isprobably  putting up his/her meteorwrong collection just to watch us squirm!There  are a few list members that hate the list being used for reporting ebay  fraud and I bet this is their revenge!  Thanks, Tom  peregrineflier   IMCA #6168__  Meteorite-list mailing list  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Topic, all terain transportation?

Crusing the playa?
Here is I rather be driving:

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For nighttime driving:
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Hi Dave and list, For dry lake beds, nothing beats a little electric or gasscooter! Easy to get on and off of and no viewing obstructions Cheap to!Maybe one like this?http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=3663011905category=47350Thanks, Tomperegrineflier IMCA #6168- Original Message -From: David Freeman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: meteorite-list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 6:19 PMSubject: [meteorite-list] New Topic, all terain transportation? Dear List; Hunting meteorites with an ATV. A new topic. How refreshing is that? I expect to be using one this year. I hope to use it to get me further afield than I would go on foot. I understand that seeing golf ball sized treasures at 20 mph is impossible
so expect to use it as a sort of portable base camp to conduct searches for the erosion areas I am targeting. Since walking further in to areas more than a mile is not on my ambition list, the ATV will be a treat to access. I am sensitive to access issues on public lands here, and on private land access issues as well. Any comments on hunting with an ATV, and do we have favorite accessories. Mine will have a plug in for cell phone, and GPS unit, and haven't decided if the lap top belongs with me or leave it home! With payloads of 300 pounds, I should be able to haul out all the meteorites I find..well, I can always make a second or third trip. Best, Dave Freeman Polaris 700 sportsman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [meteorite-list] New Topic, all terain transportation?

Then if you just wish to modify your current vehicle for those long searches:

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Re: [meteorite-list] Ad - unusual and rare meteorites from NWA

2004-02-20 Thread Howard Wu

Hi John and Stefan,

One piece of a pairing couldn'tbe missinga crust when another does?

This was a healthy "field" discusion worthy of this imformal list. It makes us all look at our rocks more closely. I was a fine working hypothesis- "Are these from the same fall?" With the conclusion- "First appearences can be deceiving."

Next time it may not be so. And sometime we need to challenge our classifications based on a second look. For example NWA1195. Or any howardite/eucrite based on which sample is submited.

John, theearthlings you past around in Tuscon were inspiring. It may hve already helped to stop (or instigated?) a Dag476 fraud on ebay.

Thanks also to Stefan for some nice photosyou sent me of similar looking pieces with wide varience in classification. Your private comments to market obfuscation in Moracco were also enlightening.

Actually, these kinds of discussion are common in biology taxonomy. I.e. that fish/bird/flower sighting a new species, sub-species, or just a weird member of the population.As new test areinvented whole fields have changed back and forth.

Howard Wu

PS. Both Stefan's and Blaines matterial are aethetically wonderful worth having regardless.

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Stefan and list members,Stefan offered us NWA 3099 (L/LL3) last week that to me looked like the same material Blaine Reed was selling in Tucson. So I made the comparison and thought Blaine should know this.Well, after trading pictures and messages with Stefan I believe I can now say I was WRONG! It turns out Stefan's material had a nice black fusion crust on it while Blaine's had no crust at all from what I could see. While they look similar and may even be from the same asteroid group...they are probably NOT paired from a desert find standpoint. So if anyone has told Blaine what I previously said, then possibly they could followup with a comment that John D was full of crap...again.Thanx,John***Stefan,Great
stuff...I believe this material was for sale from Blaine Reed at Tucson as an unclassified chondrite with the potential to be an LL3. I think Blaine was going to follow through with it's classification. Someone should contact him and let him know that this classified material exists.Thanx for offer,John Dear List, on my website I have listed some new classified meteorites. All these meteorites are unusual or rare types. A particularly special piece is the new L/LL3 NWA3099. The meteorite is built up from a conglomerate of chondrules and is very fresh and beautiful. I had offer some slices of NWA3099 at Ebay yesterday which were immediately sold. The total known weight of this L/LL3 is only 179 grams and the price is very reasonable. http://www.meteoriten.com/special.html And for all of you who look for fresh and rare meteorites for the price
of ordinary NWA869-like material is this offer possibly interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2224768512category=3239 I answer all enquiries and orders in the order of arriving. Please, have a little patience, if I don't immediately answer. Best regards, Stefan SR-Meteorite I.M.C.A. Member#3368 Website url: http://www.meteoriten.com/ Stefan Ralew Kunibertstrasse 29 12524 Berlin Germany__ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list__Meteorite-list mailing
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[meteorite-list] Dhofar 019 organettes- search for the invisible.

2004-02-19 Thread Howard Wu

I wish to thank the those who took time to look for orangettes in there large slices of Dhofar 019 and for whatever reason posted me privately. (Perhaps you don't wish to let others know what big slices you have.)

For mypart, my parttslice was only 0.19gm and I saw nothing (up to x60.)After doing further reading, I understand indiviulal organettes would bein the nanometter range. But I still hoped that collectively that an area oforangettesmightbe visible.Calcite veining at least should have been apparent on some larger slices.

Two observers didn't seethe anything that may have been organette related. Observation to 120x. However, one person did make the following observations:

" I looked under my scope for the orangettes and can see several areas where tiny alteration specks are present. Look like they are 0.5 mm or less in size. Some are located along fractures (one at an intersection) but they don't seem common. Another fracture intersection has no evidence of any alteration. Other alteration areas are present but don't seem associated with fractures. A large areas one to two cm in diameter seems to have no evidence of anything that might be an orangette. In fact, most of the slice appears very fresh. However, in another portion, orangish alteration products appear to be fairly common."

Comments, anyone?

Interesting excercise in amateur scientific verification. Iwill follow up to any other contributions to this search among us collectors.(Unless you wish to post directly to the list.) And next time I get to Mono Lake I see what I canbe seenon those tufas.

Howard Wu
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Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help

2004-02-18 Thread Howard Wu

Latin is a dead language for a reason.

The song is about a coachroach that is going through marijuana withdraws.

Ask a question about Dhofarorangettes, I get no answer. Make acrass comment about amputation by meteorite I'm popular. What a list...

Bring it on.

Howard

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Hola Rosie,La Cucaracha is actually a quaint song about Cannabis sativa (Linnaeus, 1753: an interesting Weed); but la cucaracha is indeed a cockroach (Periplaneta americana: Linnaeus, 1758) and La cucaracha (Blesynski, 1966) is definitely a certain moth of the La genus:)As an Odonatist you could ask a Lepidopterist for further clarification, though field studies are always another option, and while I see your point, a certain ode of the Pantala genus (sp.: Say, 1839) might be more pleasing to to the ear of fellow enthusiasts.Now I'm off topic so I'll not elaborate:)SaludosDoug DawnMexicoEn un mensaje con fecha 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribe:
Asunto: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Fecha: 02/18/2004 12:35:18 PM Mexico Standard TimeDe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]Enviado por Internet LOL amo amas amat amamus amatis amant I did my thesis on Pachydiplex longipennis :-) But I think la cucuracha is a roach..
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- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 8:38 AMSubject: Re: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation HelpG'day,When it comes to Latin in science, you really can't go wrong, no matter what anyone says, because the "rules" are not absolute, although some modern "experts" try to standardize pronunciation. This is mostly because scientific naming using Latin uses the English pronunciation of things like "Caesar" == pron. César. (Cesar w/ stress on "e"). Also if they are scientific names, the original language
 pronunciation must be conserved for imports like for the name of the Bessey's Cherry, "Prunus besseyi", or Farmer's Orchid, "Dendrobium farmeri", or the Fijian Snail, "Ba humbugi", or the moth "La cucuracha", look up the different species of the Gressittia genus if you have a sophomoric sense of humor, and figure out how to pronounce that one.However, in Classical Latin (around the time of Christ), if that is your interest, pronunciation can be quite different, and Caesar is pronounced Kysar; the letter "v" is pronounced as "w"; get a copy of Vox Latina by Sidney Allen if you want to do it like it is thought the ancients did.In two syllable words, the stress ("accent") is almost always on the initial syllable. If you have a short vowel (double consonant) in the second to last syllable in words of more than three syllables - i.e., short vowel sound in the second to last syllable, the stress is usually on the second to last syllable, but there are lots of
 exceptions derived from letters like th, ph, ch, etc. (this can be better appreciated when you keep in mind the th sound is from the single Greek letter theta, the ph is also the single letter "f" sound from Greek letter phi, and ch is still considered a single letter en español. On the oher hand the "x" is considered two consonants as it is pronounced "ks" and second to last syllable is the tendency producing a short vowel sound as in "Lexus-Nexus" or Texas, rather than TEEX-as; similarly the long sound in words like "pinus" which thankfully botanists say PYE-nis instead of PEE-nus, lu-PYE-nus instead of lu-PEE-nis.This all seems close enough to on-list to me if you want to study place names of ancient meteorites for a good part of the then governed world, or old scientific descriptions of rocks and suspected falls.SaludosDoug DawnMexicoEn un mensaje con fecha 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Asunto: [meteorite-list] Slightly OT - Latin Pronounciation Help Fecha: 02/17/2004 10:45:58 PM Mexico Standard TimeDe: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Enviado por Internet G'day all,Sorry for the slightly OT topic. In some of my meteorite readings I came across some Latin words and terms. I would like some help with pronouncing them and would certainly appreciate any help. If you can speak Latin could you please contact
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Re: [meteorite-list] True collector or sick?

2004-02-17 Thread Howard Wu

Dear Tom,

You are truely a distubed individual and should seek professional help. 
However, if such event does happen, I would like a partslice.

Howard Wu
Hello List, am I a true meteorite collector or just sick? I wasdaydreaming tonight (?) while sitting in my back yard about seeing a hugefireball and having meteorites showering down all around me. I then askedmyself this question and thought seriously about the answer, if a was luckyenough to have that happen and a large individual hit me and maybe shattereda bone in my leg, what would be the first thing I would do? After lookingdeep inside myself, I could honestly say that I would drag myself along withthe meteorite inside, weigh it take a pic or two of my meteorite and leg andemail the list, then and only then would I seek medical attention! Is this wrong? What would you do? : )Thanks, Tomperegrineflier IMCA
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[meteorite-list] Here come the organettes.

2004-02-17 Thread Howard Wu


( Ok, that a punof one of my favorite Brian Eno album "Here Comes the Warm Jets")

I've gotten so many warped responses to the sick collector one liner I'd thought I'dtry a real meteorite question:

I read a featurein our local paper last weekend about the Mono Lake tufa's having carbonates formed by bateria that look similar to martian orangettes. This article is not online, but I googled others recent references to this For example: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/30jul_monolake.htm

In a slice of Dhofar 019, has anyone on the list ever actually seen one of those imfamous orangettes? I have a triangle shaped micro slice and before I invest in a bigger slice I'd like to know what my chances are of seeing one with these. I hear my best chances are by looking at the "veins crossing-cutting the meteorite." (63rd AMSM 5047.pdf )Anybody got a piece like that? 

Howard Wu



  
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[meteorite-list] Holy Ureilites!!

2004-02-16 Thread Howard Wu

See this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3492919.stm

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Re: [meteorite-list] Holy Ureilites!!

2004-02-16 Thread Howard Wu

Here's a slightly better article on this topic of White dwarf diamond core.
http://www.universetoday.com/am/publish/huge_diamond_space.html?1322004

HowardHoward Wu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

See this:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3492919.stm

Howard Wu


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[meteorite-list] Dag 1037 Not Another Martian?

2004-02-09 Thread Howard Wu

Hi list, I'm back from Tuscon too. Will write my "Tucson adventure blog" later but first I have a question. I just saw Christian Anger put up a crumb of Dag1037. How come I haven't see this martian mention before? It is not on the Mars Meteorite home page Supposedly it is a big find. 
Who has the skinny on this one? Not jist another newno. of the Dag pairing, is it? 
Erich has some on his mars page. I was three feet from Erich Saturday night. Decide I'd wait to see and talk tohim in his room on my way out of town, but couldn't find any parking near the Publeo Innby so missed him. Darn. Erich, if you have email in your room and get this could you write me before you head home. 
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Re: [meteorite-list] NEWS NWA 2046

2004-02-04 Thread Howard Wu

Would that new be...?

THERE'S ALOT MORE WHERE THAT CAME FROM.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Opportunity Sees Tiny Spheres in Martian Soil

2004-02-04 Thread Howard Wu

This is a meteorite crater. Perhaps these are like the spheroids they find in the Arizona crater?

HowardRon Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
MEDIA RELATIONS OFFICEJET PROPULSION LABORATORYCALIFORNIA INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGYNATIONAL AERONAUTICS AND SPACE ADMINISTRATIONPASADENA, CALIFORNIA 91109. TELEPHONE (818) 354-5011http://www.jpl.nasa.govGuy Webster (818) 354-5011Jet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif. Donald Savage (202) 358-1547NASA Headquarters, Washington, D.C.NEWS RELEASE: 2004-051 February 4, 2004Opportunity Sees Tiny Spheres in Martian SoilNASA's Opportunity has examined its first patch of soil in the smallcrater where the rover landed on Mars and found strikingly sphericalpebbles among the mix of particles there."There are features in this soil unlike anything ever seen on Marsbefore," said Dr. Steve Squyres of Cornell University, Ithaca, N.Y.,principal investigator for the science instruments on the two
MarsExploration Rovers.For better understanding of the soil, mission controllers at NASA'sJet Propulsion Laboratory, Pasadena, Calif., plan to use Opportunity'swheels later this week to scoop a trench to expose deeper material.One front wheel will rotate to dig the hole while the other fivewheels hold still.The spherical particles appear in new pictures from Opportunity'smicroscopic imager, the last of 20 cameras to be used on the two rovermissions. Other particles in the image have jagged shapes. "Thevariety of shapes and colors indicates we're having particles broughtin from a variety of sources," said Dr. Ken Herkenhoff of the U.S.Geological Survey's Astrogeology Team, Flagstaff, Ariz.The shapes by themselves don't reveal the particles' origin withcertainty. "A number of straightforward geological processes canyield round shapes," said Dr. Hap McSween, a rover science team memberfrom the University of
Tennessee, Knoxville. They include accretionunder water, but apparent pores in the particles make alternativepossibilities of meteor impacts or volcanic eruptions more likelyorigins, he said.A new mineral map of Opportunity's surroundings, the first ever donefrom the surface of another planet, shows that concentrations ofcoarse-grained hematite vary in different parts of the crater. Thesoil patch in the new microscopic images is in an area low inhematite. The map shows higher hematite concentrations inside thecrater in a layer above an outcrop of bedrock and on the slope justunder the outcrop. Hematite usually forms in association with liquid water, so it holdsspecial interest for the scientists trying to determine whether therover landing sites ever had watery environments possibly suitable forsustaining life. The map uses data from Opportunity's miniaturethermal emission spectrometer, which identifies rock types
from adistance."We're seeing little bits and pieces of this mystery, but we haven'tpieced all the clues together yet," Squyres said.Opportunity's Moessbauer spectrometer, an instrument on the rover'srobotic arm designed to identify the types of iron-bearing minerals ina target, found a strong signal in the soil patch for olivine. Olivineis a common ingredient in volcanic rocks. A few days of analysis maybe needed to discern whether any fainter signals are from hematite,said Dr. Franz Renz, science team member from the University of Mainz,Germany.To get a better look at the hematite closer to the outcrop,Opportunity will go there. It will begin by driving about 3 meters (10feet) tomorrow, taking it about halfway to the outcrop. On Friday itwill dig a trench with one of its front wheels, said JPL's Dr. MarkAdler, mission manager.Opportunity's twin, Spirit, today is reformatting its flash memory,
apreventive measure that had been planned for earlier in the week. "Wespent the last four days in the testbed testing this," Adler said."It's not an operation we do lightly. We've got to be sure it worksright." Tomorrow, Spirit will resume examining a rock calledAdirondack after a two-week interruption by computer memory problems. Controllers plan to tell Spirit to brush dust off of a rock andexamine the cleaned surface tomorrow.Each martian day, or "sol," lasts about 40 minutes longer than anEarth day. Spirit begins its 33rd sol on Mars at 2:43 a.m. Thursday,Pacific Standard Time. Opportunity begins its 13th sol on Mars at3:04 p.m. Thursday, PST. JPL, a division of the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena,manages the Mars Exploration Rover project for NASA's Office of SpaceScience, Washington, D.C. Images and additional information about theproject are available from JPL at
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RE: [meteorite-list] Specific Gravity method /calculation error

2004-02-03 Thread Howard Wu

Why not just use a graduated measuring cup. You can even stick it in a condom or plastic bagand suck the air out for an estimated dry measurement.

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Thanks John. A visit to our great ally France oughtta git yew metricized mighty quick-like . The delta component of your calculation cause a Cold Fusion Reaction inthe coffee can and now there's a great depression in the earth where my suburb used to be.We need to get our stories straight, John. ={:-) L A T E R ~~~*RomanFrom: [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Subject: [meteorite-list] Specific Gravity method /calculation errorDate: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 12:39:52 +Roman and others,I guess I really am slow/dumb. your SG answers maybe too small right now...Well if you haven't blown anything up...I'm lucky. My calculation has anerror in it from the other day. In the volume part of the equation I left
 outthe division by 4 when using the diameter for area. If you use the radius(1/2diameter)...then you don't need the 4. The corrected method is below:***Then I use a cylinder(round) shaped coffee can for small items, or a straightsided bucket for larger items to determine the volume of the object by thechange in height of the water: first without the object and then with theobject. As a slow American I use a stick rule in inches to figure this out.so it goes like this:determine weight in OUNCESDetermine the change in volume in the water level by measuring the:HEIGHT without object firstHEIGHT with the object secondThe difference in height in inches is then used to calculate the SG alongwith some conversions factors to get it into grams/centimeter
 cubed.change or delta Volume = Area of container circle x inches in height(change)delta V =(pie or 3.14...)x diameter(inches) squared)x(height change ininches)/4 (Note: this is where I has left out the 4)delta V is a number in inches cubedthe conversion formula without all the details is as follows:SG = (object in OUNCES/delta V in inches cubed)x(0.06102/0.03527) = SG ingrams/cm cubed (Note: without the 4 your SG answer would have been 4times smaller)0.06102 is the conversion of cubic inches to cubic centimeters0.03527 is the conversion of ounces to grams.For the smart users of metric the metric systemthe answer is determinedby the change in volume in cubic centimeters cubed and the weight in grams or:Weight in grams/change in Volume in centimetes cubed (now that seems easierdoesn't it) = grams/cm
 cubedBottom line is most rocks have SG of 1.5 to 3, heavier rocks full of ironlike stony meteorites are in the 3 to 5 range, and steel and it's metalfriends like iron meteorites are in the neighborhood of 7 to 8. Silver andLead in the 10 to 11 range and gold all the way up near 18 to 19.Sheesh,John__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list_Check out the new MSN 9 Dial-up  fast  reliable Internet access with prime features! http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-uspage=dialup/homeST=1__Meteorite-list mailing
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Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Rover Spirit Restored to Health

2004-02-01 Thread Howard Wu

"Each martian day, or "sol" lasts about 40 minutes longer thanan Earth day. Spirit begins its 30th sol on Mars at 12:44a.m. Monday, Pacific Standard Time. Opportunity begins its10th sol on Mars at 1:05 p.m. Monday, PST. The two roversare halfway around Mars from each other."

If I could get an extra 40minutes of sleep in every morning I'd feel great too! 

Howard Wu

PS. Just got my other Lafayette crumbs lots out on ebay- My way of celebrating before Tuscon.Some are running one day and three day. Plus one more modest loton runs start tomorrow endingTuesday night with my first lot. That will be it. IF YOU SNOOZE, YOU LOOSE!!BT 
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[meteorite-list] AD-SALE: LAFAYETTE CRUMBS- Quick pre-Tucson flashsale!

2004-02-01 Thread Howard Wu

Hello List.

Yes Lafayette! AnAll-American Martian find!The only potential terrorist you're supporting is me. 

Help send a poor country acupuncturist to Tuscon. I've just posted for quick sale six Lafayette crumbs lots. (One start Monday for Tuesday night.) The largest- smallest micros you'll see this week! Some of these are 1day auctions so if you snooze, you loose. Sensational and anytime!You'll wontsee me be doing this again.

Here's theebay linkto the "big boy." Thensee "seller's other items."

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=610539category=3239

If your at the show, I will hand deliver.And thanks for your support

Howard Wu
Bishop, CA
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[meteorite-list] Ad Help?

2004-01-31 Thread Howard Wu

Dear List,
I'm rather new at doing an ebay listings and html for that matter. I've just listed a cool micro on ebay but for the life of me I can't figure why my pictures aren't loading. I got one to load using an alternet method. I have a few other micro I'd like to list but I got to figure out why my simplest of html code isn't working before I do. Can any of you experts tell me what I did or not do. Or is ebay's screwing me up?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=313855category=3239

Oh by the way I have a few more Lafayette crumbs I'm hoping to sell for pocket change for Tuscon.

Sincerely,
Howard Wu

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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cleaning Meteorites

2004-01-28 Thread Howard Wu

You can buy 99% isopropanol at the drugstore if you look for it. I no longer find it at my local Riteaid but picked up two bottles at Vons before the strike.

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Good Evening List,As long as we're talking about cleaning specimens, would isopropyl alcohol be ok for touching up an achondrite? Due to the fact that it has 30% water content, I wouldn't use it on any visable metal bearing meteorites. But would it be ok on an achondrite? Any input will be appreciated. Thanks!-Ryan__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listBT 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Cleaning Meteorites

2004-01-28 Thread Howard Wu

You can buy 99% isopropanol at the drugstore if you look for it. I no longer find it at my local Riteaid but picked up two bottles at Vons before the strike.

HowardRYAN PAWELSKI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Good Evening List,As long as we're talking about cleaning specimens, would isopropyl alcohol be ok for touching up an achondrite? Due to the fact that it has 30% water content, I wouldn't use it on any visable metal bearing meteorites. But would it be ok on an achondrite? Any input will be appreciated. Thanks!-Ryan__Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-listBT 
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Re: [meteorite-list] ESA discovers water on mars

2004-01-23 Thread Howard Wu

I was rather hoping they'd find whiskey. I wouldn't freeze up at night and would give list members another reason to go to mars.

Howard Wu 
Bishop, CA

PS. Looks more likely that I'll be going to Tuscon as my co-pilot has given me a go.

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[meteorite-list] Space Race- NY Times

2004-01-22 Thread Howard Wu

A lttle off topic, but here's a good article on the potential coming spacerace with China. Let hope instead for healthy competition, if not cooperation in space exploration in this century.

Howard Wu

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/01/22/international/asia/22SPAC.html?pagewanted=1th  
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[meteorite-list] USA meteortites.

2004-01-21 Thread Howard Wu

DNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Mike and others,I accept your back handed slap with dignity. It was deserved. I too miss Bernd. He was my favorite list personality when I first became a member. Over time I noticed he posted less and less. It is no wonder with all the crap that has gone on in he last two years including my own idiotic posts at times.From here on I propose to stay within the lines of reason, and will try with my best effort to keep from attacking anyone...especially towards a select few who will still drive me crazy with just about every post they make.If I can't do so, I will recognize it and volunteerly move on and leave the list also...without a problem. My apologies to all...including Matteo, I agree whole-heartedly
John. I miss Bernd too, as he was the DataHound/Librarian of our list and he is/will be sorely missed. It's a shame it came to this to make him leave. However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me!Lido de
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[meteorite-list] USA meteortites.

2004-01-21 Thread Howard Wu

It seem less strange that Americans are finding "fresh" meteorites in the vast western United States by weekenders than that they are all headed to Sahara Africa to '"seed" them here. No one is getting rich of of selling American meteorties.Most are being kept by the finders.There is very little market in them at all. We are talkingalmost exclusively of ordinarychondrites found on dry lake beds not rare types.It would take a giant comspiracy of all these collectors to pull this off and for what reason. I suspect this acquisation stems from a guilty conscience projected onto others.

Howard WiDNAndrews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
However, I don't apologize to Matteo. He's been inserting his jabs on Americans for a couple of years now. And that isn't even the issue. The things he complains about, he is the biggest offender. So, according to Matteo, Robert Verish, Rob Matson, Nick Gessler and all the other crew are seeding the SW deserts with NWA's for new finds? There are no other people who keep such stringent records of their findsLat/Long, person who finds it, time of day, size, weight, classification, leave a marker, etcneed I say more? The source of these allegations is preposterous. You owe all these people a big apology. Why is an African desert more prone for finds than an American one? Why does an Italian salt-water ocean beach produce such a fresh find? Beats me!Lido de
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[meteorite-list] Save the Hubble!

2004-01-17 Thread Howard Wu

http://www.savethehubble.org/petition.jsp

Why not?  
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Re: [meteorite-list] political views and opinions on Met-List

2004-01-16 Thread Howard Wu

Hello John and list,

My appologies for starting this, but I was sharing articles aboutMars and space exploration. It is just consequential that this topic intersected politics this week. If you seen my recent postings I've held my tounge at Bush bashing on the list.

As Nasa is a government agency and space developement can be nationalistic orbe about international co-operation there are important subjects that can't be totally avoided. This week our government has put out it's blueprint for the future for the next quarter century that I hope will care us through many administrations. Personally I hope this won't be co-opted by one party that just happens to be in power today. The greater issue this century is also how will the USA, China, European, Russian and private organization compete or co-opperate in space. Or even will we continue to have a space program at all. On the dark side will the helium 3 resources on the moon be used for the greater good of humanity and to save the planet or will we millitarize space.

At least with the US- Libian conflict being resolved perhaps we can real data on those NWA. Is that meteoritic enough for you?

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Hello Randy, Howard, Mark, Piper and others,Do you think it is possible to refrain from using this list as a platform for political rhetoric? We all have one...and occasionally crap has to flow out of them to stay healthy. However, I'd rather not have to share these left and right bowel movements from you all.Let's get back to Mars rover tracks, strange but true meteorites, and wacked out Proud Tom ideas before we go off the deep end again.tanx,Independent JohnPS And no more wanabee US and Italian Marine chest beating either. __Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list  
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[meteorite-list] Politics in action: Hubble vs. Space station.

2004-01-16 Thread Howard Wu



Just heard on the radio newthat NASA has nowoffically cancelled the next proposed Hubble instrument upgrade in favor for completion of the Space station that has yet to be of scientific use. Spacesciencehas being highlypoliticized this week ifsome of uslike it or not. Maybe it alway has been since Sputnik.( Herschel?...Galieo?) 

No further comment. Will take discusion offline not to offend those with political allergies. Please keep it non partisan.

Howard Wu

( Maybe NASA could resale the Hubble on ebayto the Chinese)  
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RE: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Puzzle

Is there a way that you could magnetize the pieces enough to stick together? our use little magnets inbetween the pieces.

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Sonny,Maybe you could glue some of it together but put plastic or woodspacers on some of the pieces so that they are held say half an inchfrom each other so that the rock looks 'exploded' ( so then you can seeinside too, and still get an idea of the original shape. I have seenthis done with fossils and similar.Look here to see what I mean :http://www.uke.uni-hamburg.de/zentren/experimentelle_medizin/informatik/vm3dn/bs_exploded.htmlJust a thought?Mark-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 January 2004 16:52To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorite PuzzleHi,I recently bought a Gold basin meteorite puzzle. Should this be put backtogether with a permanent glue or is there somthing else to use .
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative

In a strange way yes. The apollo astronaut discovered helium 3 which at a billion dollars a ton is energy equivalent to oil at seven dollars a barrel if we can figure out how to use it. The Chinese think this can be done by the time they set up there moon base and we don't want to be left behind, so says Bush's science advisors. 

Perhaps we can get him to volunteer for the first mars mission, one way.

Howard WuMartin Altmann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




They found oil there?

Or do they have to place the Moon car there, before the VLT in Chile is ready?

Martin A.

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This is still NOT proven and in fact, there is evidence there is little or not water on the Moon. When they crashed Clementine into a shadowed crater thought to have water ice, none was seen in the debris.

The ISS is fragile and not really a great place to work. Microgravity is very difficult to work in. The Moon would be a much better place and much easier to work in and leave out from. Besides, we need to learn to work on the surface of another planet and the Moon would be a great place to do just that.

Christopher

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Hi John, From what I understood from awhile back, the ice that is on the moons poles(?) would save them a lot of water hauling from earth. With the escape velocity so much less on the Moon, they would have an easier time launching a rocket full of water (fordrinking and such)on the way to mars from there as opposed to the Earth.
Thanks, TomPeregrineflier IMCA 6168

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As there are quite a few space savvy folks on this listjust asking a question pertaining to Bush's speech.

He said the moon was the logical place to initiate space exploration missions. Yet the moon has harsh environmental challenges.and it seems those challenges are less on Mars. Only the distance is a problem. 

It would seem to me that a space station orbiting Earth would be the better place to initiate trips to Mars and beyond?

John

  
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[meteorite-list] Red Planet Profits

More:
http://www.tompaine.com/feature2.cfm/ID/9774  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative

Haliburton and Mars?
http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVFb=8473
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Re: [meteorite-list] Bush's Space Initiative Spin