Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Donated to Planetarium
Well done lads! We need more of these kinds of efforts made for the benefit of the general public and science. Congrats, JKGwilliam At 07:07 AM 10/20/2004, mark ford wrote: Hi, I am pleased to announce to the list, that Last Friday, Dave Harris and I (on behalf of the British an Irish meteorite Society which we formed earlier this year), presented The South Downs Planetarium with a substantial meteorite collection. It was gratefully received by Sir Patrick Moore, the famous Astronomer. Sir Patrick Moore was instrumental in mapping the lunar surface for the Nasa Moon missions, and has played a vital role in British astronomy for many years. Photos at http://www.freewebs.com/fordmeteorites/meteoritepresentation.htm A great day was had by all, and I would like to thank all those that donated material, these rocks will be used as both a study resource and to inspire school kids and Adults alike, on the south coast of England. The collection totaled around 35 items, including a 2.2 kilo Campo slice, a large Brahin Slice, and a large representative selection of Chondrite and Achondrite slices. Again thanks to those that donated material, much appreciated. Best, Mark Ford __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Metal in Meteorites
Martin, You aren't the only one who missed this great website, I didn't know about it until you mentioned it here on the List. Hopefully it will continue to develop to a point where it will be commonly used as a reference site like David Weir's. Best, JKGwilliam At 02:21 AM 10/19/2004, Martin Altmann wrote: Hola list, did anybody noticed yet this fantastic, upcoming site or am I late? http://www.meteoritemetal.com/ Click on Atlas on the left side. Such a place was urgently missing! Skol! Martin __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall
Nice picture! From the looks of it, this meteorite is brecciated and there's a substantial fragment still laying in the fall site...probably not too far from where this one was picked up! JKGwilliam At 04:30 PM 10/11/2004, Matt Morgan wrote: Try this! http://www.colorado.edu/fiske/BerthoudMeteoriteinHands.jpg DROL matt -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 5:28 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Berthoud fall Hi all Here is a photo from 9 news. Not real great but still worth a look. http://www.9news.com/acm_news.aspx?OSGNAME=KUSAIKOBJECTID=896d3d3c-0ab e-421a -013d-a90af9fa6099TEMPLATEID=0c76dce6-ac1f-02d8-0047-c589c01ca7bf Enjoy Mike Mike Jensen IMCA 4264 Bill Jensen IMCA 2359 Jensen Meteorites 16730 E Ada PL Aurora, CO 80017-3137 303-337-4361 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Looking for Campo Sales
Does anyone know where I might find some of the Campo Sales meteorite for sale? Let me know, JKG __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Looking for Campo Sales
Thank you Bernd! I knew there must be a reasonable way to acquire some Campo Sales! Best, JKGwilliam At 10:20 AM 10/9/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JKG inquired: Does anyone know where I might find some of the Campo Sales meteorite for sale? Let me know, JKG Due south until you stumble into the Campo del Cielo area, turn left twice, do a double somersault forward, one backward, turn right and you'll run smack into most of them :-)) Bernd __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Campo - movie clip's
Really cool Tim. That Campo reminds me of a Henry Moore sculpture. JKGwilliam At 09:20 PM 10/6/2004, Tim Heitz wrote: Dear Collectors, I have put up several movie clips of different outstanding pieces of Campo I'm sure you will enjoy. http://www.meteorman.org/3_10_14.htm Cheers, Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/index.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] dos cabezas
Steve, The main mass, and most of the larger pieces of Dos Cabezas are the property of one of my hunting partners. Since he has never sold a meteorite, I'd say you're out of luck. There are some smaller pieces that were found by other hunters from Tucson, but you'd be hard pressed to find anything over 10 grams for sale. You might contact Bob Holmes, he got a small piece from me a couple of years ago. JKGwilliam At 03:50 PM 10/4/2004, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Does anyone have any dos cabezas forsale?I am looking for a 40 to 50 gram piece. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ ___ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Buried Treasure - OT with Links that work
Greg, Thanks for the great story! Treasure hunting can get into your blood worse than meteorites can. I suggest you get a good hooka rig and an underwater metal detector. During slack tide periods you can work in 10-20 feet of water for hours and find objects that the beach crowd can't ever get to. Having been a diver for a lot of years, I've heard many of the stories of the lost Spanish Fleet and particularly the Atocha. When the ships arrived in the Americas from Spain, they were using rocks for ballast. On the return trips home, a lot of the ballast was replaced with silver ingots and gold bars, chains and jewelry and a lot of it ended up in the shallow waters along the Florida coast. Find the right spot (like Mel Fisher did) and you'll become very familiar with the antiquities folks from the State of Florida. Of course, you can always learn to convincingly say, what gold bars? and they might leave you be. Good Hunting! JKGwilliam At 06:48 PM 10/4/2004, Greg Hupe wrote: Dear list members, I found buried treasure! I know that many of you enjoy treasure hunting as much as I do. In fact, meteorite hunting is one of many forms of treasure hunting so I thought I would share one of my latest adventures with you. After 23 years of serious thought and planning of treasure hunting the Florida coast, I finally found some. While in high school, I had dreams of traveling to the Florida Treasure Coast in search of lost riches from the ill-fated Spanish 1715 Plate Fleet. It is called the Plate fleet due to the abundance of silver (Plata in Spanish, hence the name, 'Plate'). The fleet of 12 Spanish galleons sank off of the east coast near Vero Beach and Ft. Pierce, Florida after a violent hurricane over took the unsuspecting mariners. After high school I had planned to fly to the Florida east coast after a hurricane in search of gold and silver, which washes up onto the beach after serious storms and hurricanes. Much is buried under several feet of sand, which is stripped away after such acts of Mother Nature. I suppose it is her way of giving some back after taking it nearly 300 years ago. I would plan to use a metal detector for the task. I had waited over 20 years without any hurricanes hitting the area directly. Who would have thought that after moving to Florida a few months before that a succession of hurricanes would devastate Florida, two of which hit Vero Beach and the surrounding areas dead on within weeks of each other! I now had two occasions to drive the 2-hours it would take to get to one of the richest galleon wrecks sites known. During the wait for a hurricane to hit the area, I did extensive research on the Internet about where the wreck sites where. I settled with directions and coordinates from a web site that looked good. The first trip was a few days after Hurricane Frances tore through the area. I went three times during a 2-week period and found many modern U.S. coins and a few artifacts from the site, mostly bronze rivets and possibly one very weathered Silver Half Real. I will have to take that one to the local museum to verify. Click here to see damage created by Hurricane Frances http://www.lunarrock.com/treasure/GregZac.jpg That's me on the right holding metal detector Click here for picture of artifacts http://www.lunarrock.com/treasure/relics.jpg The second hurricane, Jeanne, would do even more damage and expose more of the older layers of beach. I made two trips to the coast and didn't find anything, not even a penny, during six hours of searching the first day. The night before my second outing, I decided to compare coordinates and landmarks from the web site and from a book written by one of the original finders of these wrecks. I discovered that the web site missed a large southern area of one of the wrecks closest to the beach. I decided I would try the area from the web site first and then go to the southern area overlooked by his notes. Click here to see up to 8-feet of sand erosion by hurricanes http://www.lunarrock.com/treasure/BankErosion.jpg After my research for the night was over, I decided to watch the movie, Pirates of the Caribbean for good luck, or as the saying goes, Good Luck equals Preparation plus Opportunity. I would find out the next day just how true that is. The next morning, after 2-hours of detecting the well-searched area of the web site location, I went to the southern area I wanted to investigate. After approximately 30 minutes, I found my first Spanish Silver Real in excellent condition. I couldn't believe it, here in my hand was a 300-year old piece of Spanish treasure! I was elated and looked around me to see if there was anyone who saw my body motions or heard my voice exclaiming in delight. No one was around so I felt confident nobody realized I had found a good spot. Click here for a picture of the Silver Real at the beach http://www.lunarrock.com/treasure/real1a.jpg
RE: [meteorite-list] Ad - Very Cool Unclassified New Meteorite
Mark and List, This is an interesting point you bring up about Adam's cool new meteorite. The Bondoc image looks very similar. JKGwilliam At 08:17 PM 10/4/2004, MARK BOSTICK wrote: Hello Adam and list, Adam wrote: Just a quick note to let you know I am offering a single specimen of a very cool new meteorite. Even if you are not interested the images are worth looking at: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2274867678 Interesting looking meteorite Adam. It looks like a Nodule from a mesosiderite to me. See the following two links. In the Bondoc, my sample is half an individual that weathered out of main mass. (See Find a Falling Star. H. Nininger). Bondoc Mesosiderite Nodule 120g endcut http://www.meteoritearticles.com/files/Bondoc_40KB.jpg Morristown Mesosiderite Slice with round Nodule inclusion http://www.meteoritearticles.com/files/Morristown_22.jpg Clear Skies, Mark Bostick www.meteoritearticles.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] New Website
Ken and List, Wow...what an impressive bunch of work so far. It takes a lot of dedication to work at this level. Good luck on the rest of your project. JKGwilliam At 10:34 PM 10/2/2004, AstronomicalResearchNetwork wrote: Astronomical Research Network That's me Kenneth Regelman invites any and all to my new website. http://www.arn-meteorites.com It a long way from being done I hope to have over 500 mb of text and pictures . I think it will be 3 months or more before the job is done. Space Rocks V website version of ARN's History of meteorites and much more to come . Pictures as I gain permission to use them on site . Hundreds of meteorites to be sold there soon . Many new and rare meteorites . New CR's CK's an H7 , Howardites , Eucurites , etc. all new I own there main masses and entire falls . More than I can say now . I hope you use and enjoy the site ..Kenneth Regelman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] clarafication on my meteorite sale and othermatters
Steve, List and Al, I have to agree with Al on this one. Over the past several years, those who have dealt with the meteorite community in a negative way and have been less than honest have been taken to task on the Meteorite List. Steve shouldn't be an exception. I know there are a bunch of folks out there(myself included) who have encouraged Steve to produces better descriptions, add pictures and correct weights to his sales (Ebay and others) and deal honestly with the people he does business with. While some of the problems do get corrected, it seems that they creep back after a while. I'm sorry to say that I think the true character of anyone, including Steve, can be determined by their behavior better than it can be by their words. What's it going to be, Steve? Best, JKGwilliam At 09:11 PM 10/2/2004, almitt wrote: Hi Steve and all, Steve since you use this list constantly for selling your items I think it is more than appropriate for people to post to the list regarding difficulties they have with you or for that matter, any other seller and for other buyers to be made aware of problems. Certainly people should try to resolve disputes or misunderstandings in private at first but if someone's credibility becomes suspect, I certainly want to hear about it and this list is just as good of a format as any. Live by the list die by the list. Best! --AL Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Also one more item, I do not like public insults on the list. If you want to tell me something, please do it in private. I would never stoop to anything like that. steve arnold, chicago,usa!! __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] My expotition to Meteor Crater
Tracy, I wanted to let you know I very much enjoyed the story of your trip to Meteor Crater. Although I've been there 7 or 8 times, I never get tired of seeing it. The commercialism has always annoyed me, but I guess it's a tradeoff me must tolerate if we want to have access to the crater at all. Best, JKG At 03:04 PM 9/27/2004, tracy latimer wrote: My husband and I set off in the early forenoon from LV to go to Meteor Crater. The trip took us about 5 hours, not including a lunch break, but allowing for driving through some thunderstorms the likes of which I hadn't seen since moving from the mainland 15 years ago. We got to Meteor Crater about 1 1/2 hours before sunset, 2 hours in front of the band of storms which had been pursuing us since before Flagstaff, and Jon suggested we take the time to visit the crater before dark, as we had no idea how long the rains would linger. I am glad we did so, as the following day was cool and rainy, negating the planned rim hike (too muddy, the guide said.) There is still some bad blood between the present owners of the crater and Nininger; although he is now mentioned in the guidebook, it is in, at best, neutral terms. There were some veiled accusations of Nininger 'poaching' Canyon Diablo meteorites after his agreement to search for them on Bar T Bar ranch land had expired, and some other disputes over the American Meteorite Museum vs. the gift shop and facility put up on the crater rim. He was not mentioned at all in any of the other presentations or staff talks, and I didn't bring up his name. The only spot in the 20 miles around Meteor Crater that seemed to have cell phone reception was the highest lookout on the rim, a great place when a lightning storm is approaching! I did go to the remnants of the American Meteorite Museum, which has a big handmade No Trespassing: violators will be jailed sign in front of the ruins; I decided they could spare 15 minutes and half a dozen photos anyway. Arizona hospitality at its finest, maybe provoked by the 2 burned out cars dumped on the vestiges of Route 66 in front of the ruins, though the ruins themselves did not seem to be vandalized beyond normal decay. People in search of a streak plate will be sad to know that remains of the famous Nininger crapper have apparently been completely removed; the tub, however, is still intact until someone smashes it. Although I think the old unmaintained and very potholed Route 66 is still public access, the area outside the right of way is heavily studded with No Trespassing signs. The crater is still magnificent. Although tempted, I did not put rare-earth magnets in my shoes to try to pick up spheroids on the q.t. The gift shop sells baggies of the dirt from around the crater, pulverized quartz with a light sprinkling of ash from Sunset Crater and a few spheroids mixed in. Although the staff seems at least moderately knowledgeable about the mechanics of the crater, the gift shop was heavily commercial, with t-shirts and Native American trinkets made in China, without any more scholarly information than the crater guidebook. The facility is about what you might expect, a mix of older displays and some modern computer animation. They show a 20 minute film about the impact and related phenomena in a substantial auditorium that could easily hold 2-3 busloads of tourists. We stayed overnight at La Posada, a landmark for anyone interested in the architecture styles of the Southwest, the history of the Fred Harvey company, and railroad history in general, returning to Vegas the following day after another brief stop at the crater. Although the trip was very damp, I wouldn't have missed it for anything. If you have any interest in our pictures of this trip, including a few taken at Penn Teller's magic show, feel free to go to jediknight.com/gallery and look at the Vegas Trip section. Tracy Latimer _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] metal detectors
Several List members use White's Goldmaster series detectors with great success. The current model is the GMT with is very similar to the previous model, the Goldmaster 4. Previous models were the Goldmaster 2, Goldmaster 3 and the Goldmaster VSAT. All are good units to hunt for all types of meteorites. The Goldmaster 3 has some features that have made it a very popular detector with meteorites hunters. Other meteorite hunters I know use the Fisher detectors - the Gold Bug and Gold Bug II. One List member from up in Mohave County has used a Gold Bug to find LOTS of meteorites so I know that it can be a good producer in the right hands. Both the White and Fisher detectors are available from time to time on Ebay. Make sure you get a guarantee that the unit will work properly and that you can get your money back if there's a problem. Just one final thought. Get someone that is experienced in using a metal detector for hunting meteorites to show you how to use the machine properly. Nothing can be more frustrating that finding out at the end of a long day of beeping that you had the unit set up wrong! Best, JKG At 01:51 AM 9/23/2004, meteoriteshow wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a metal detector that can be suitable for meteorite hunting and able to detect chondrites as well as iron rich meteorites. I've already looked at several types, but it's difficult for me to get a clear idea about it, as I do not wish to invest too much in this equipment... I've seen the following type, maybe someone has tried it already and can tell me if it's good or not: - Allround metal detector weight: 1,1 kg total length: 57 - 88 cm disc diameter: 17 cm power: 6 x 1,5 V R6 headphones plug: 3,5 mm detection down to 60 cm deep for big itms and down to 12 cm deep for coins wiring: interior If anyone gets a metal detector that is suitable for my need and in good condition, either for sale or for trade, you can contact me via my private e-mail. Thanks in advance for your help! Frederic Beroud www.meteoriteshow.com IMCA #2491 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Think about it folks, Calcalong Creek could be sitting in someone's collection with a Millbillillie label on it. Fortunately, Haag noticed a bit of a difference between it and the other meteorites he purchased in Australia. During the NWA number debate of last week or so, I agreed with Adam. Now I agree with Mike. The meteorites of NWA come with several problems that are unique as Mike has stated. We.somebodyneeds to do something to standardize the process and procedure that NWA's must go through to be legitimized. Mike is correct - there appears to be a double standard here. Anyone got some ideas on how to solve the problem? JKG At 08:10 AM 9/23/2004, Michael Farmer wrote: Yes Jim, it wasn't pretty. The part about falls and finds was discussed. There is no need to classify every piece of those meteorites like Gao or Sikhote-Alin as they are from a compact area, and are distinctive enough to lack the need for further classification. When it comes to meteorite mass-concentration areas like North Africa and Oman, then the need for further classification is necessary. Obviously if you are hunting and find them all together, that would be one meteorite, but when buying in the markets there, then everything is mixed up, some paired meteorites being sold in cities 400 miles apart! That makes for some very confusing classification problems. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Jim Strope [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:05 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out You should have been in Denver, Mike. You would have been shocked to see how much uncut NWA 1929 was being sold at low prices. I am glad that I wasn't on the list the last month to witness the fighting over numbers. Perhaps, each newly found Sikhote-alin should have it's own new name assigned Or the new Glorietta? Or the new Campo? ETC. ETC. ETC. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer /meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
This is an interesting point. The word known implies that up to this point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have been found which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the Meteoritical Society has invoked a specific set of rules for a meteorite to be properly recognized. Maybe it's time for the rule makers to revisit this issue. Best, JKG At 08:35 AM 9/23/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 7:50 AM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Money, you know. This makes me so sick lately that I think of quitting this hobby and selling off my 600+ meteorites. _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:45 PM To: Rob Wesel; Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This one confuses me. We had a large fight and discussion just last week, where the Hupes and Dr Jeff Grossman said that pairings must be made scientifically and when the nomenclature committee denote a number for a meteorite, it is for that meteorite that the number is reserved, no others. NWA 1929 was my meteorite, and it was a single individual. I had it classified by Dr Bunch. It now seems that people are selling other meteorites under my number, including the Hupes? How is this possible? Complete individuals? Then they have not been cut. Why the double standard? How does anyone know these uncut meteorites are NWA 1929? Why were they all suddenly found a year after I bought NWA 1929 in Morocco? I am a little confused about this, if other meteorites can not be paired as stated by the Hupes so adamantly, then how is NWA 1929 immune to the same treatment? This is not directed at Adam, he is just the one who last week had a huge fight with Bob Evans over this, and now it seems that other people are going to town with my meteorite number. Anyone care to tell me how all of these meteorites are no NWA 1929? Michael Farmer - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 2:15 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Sale
RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out
Farmer already answered this question. The Sikhote-Alin area is very isolated and no other iron meteorites (to my knowledge) have been found in the region. Also, the SA meteorites have some very distinct exterior characteristics that are seen in very few, if any, other irons. Then again, nothing is 100% for sure. There is an outside chance that a different iron meteorite could be found in the SA region and sold as an SA. With the price of these irons down in the sub-dollar range, there isn't much incentive to test for a different meteorite. The incentive kicks in when the price of the material is at a high enough point to justify test expenses for one individual specimen. Most of us don't want to admit it, but the issue really is about money. It's important to the NWA nomads all the way up to the final buyer and everyone in between. I don't know about the rest of you, but I don't enjoy investing a lot of time, money and energy into a project unless I can be rewarded in some way. If I want to spend my time and money not making more of the almighty dollar, I'll spend that time and money with my friends and family doing something that makes everybody happy. It's a time proven fact, the dollar (or rupee or Euro) drives us all. JKG At 09:02 AM 9/23/2004, mark ford wrote: Yeah, there are quite a few anomalies in the whole system... If the name or number given to a fall is only for the specimens given in for analysis, how come falls like sikhote have a total known weight of many tons? Surley only a few kilo's where officially used for the classification, so if we are being strict, the total known weight should really be the 'total classified weight', should it not? Best Mark Ford -Original Message- From: JKG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 23 September 2004 16:53 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-List (E-mail) Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out This is an interesting point. The word known implies that up to this point this is what we know exists. History has shown that addition specimens of meteorites with previously published TNWs have been found which changes the TNW. But remember, in the case of NWAs, the Meteoritical Society has invoked a specific set of rules for a meteorite to be properly recognized. Maybe it's time for the rule makers to revisit this issue. Best, JKG At 08:35 AM 9/23/2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bernhard and list, Something else to bear in mind (although it may be trivial) when you refer to the TKW of say NWA1929 (or any other classified NWA). The weight is actually the total weight not total known weight as the name NWA1929 refers to the rock Mike had classified and no other. TKW infers there may be other unknown/undiscovered mass. This cannot be possible. Regards Ken -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernhard Rendelius Rems Sent: 23 September 2004 16:19 To: 'Michael Farmer' Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Michael (and others who have written to me in private), it's not making me sick that it's about money, it makes me sick that people do not stick to the rules (even dealers I trust don't stick to the simple rules anymore). Let me tell you this: I recently bought a somewhat larger slice of NWA 2019 from a respected dealer. I knew the TKW, I accepted the price and I expected that the piece I buy is from this TKW. It seems now that the NWA 2019 I bought isn't NWA 2019, but unclassified material that might quite possibly be paired to NWA 2019. Now, if this discussion wouldn't take place, I would believe I have so and so much from the TKW of NWA 2019. I would possibly resell it in the future as NWA 2019, adding to the confusion and unknowingly betraying my business partner. So, to all dealers out there: if you sell a meteorite as Meteorite A and it is just something that is possibly paired to A, I FEEL RIPPED OFF! And I don't like that feeling. Adam, what hav you done about the NWA 1110 auctions and the olivine diogenite you declared to be fake? What does the IMCA have to say about this matter? _ Best regards, Bernhard Rendelius Rems CEO RPGDot Network This outgoing mail has been virus-checked. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Michael Farmer Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 4:58 PM To: Bernhard Rendelius Rems Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Sale - Howardite Blow Out Bernhard, don't do that. I also have felt that way, but love for the meteorites themselves keeps me sane. Unfortunately all the travel I do costs a small fortune, so selling keeps me and my family alive, while building my collection. This is simply an issue that needs some sort of fixing. I don't really know how to do it. I Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Bernhard Rendelius Rems [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Michael Farmer' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL
[meteorite-list] Sale - New Russian pallasite - Seymchan
Hello List, I'm posting this message for my friend Ivan Koutyrev who is currently down in Tucson with John Blennert. For whatever reason, John has not been able to post messages to the list lately so he has asked me to let you all know that Ivan has several pieces of this pallasite available. Interested parties can contact Ivan via John Blennert at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -or- 520-325-8585 Ivan will be heading back to Russia in 4 or 5 days, so if you are interested, don't delay. Best, JKG __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 1864: fiction or fact? help!
I found this story to be quite entertaining and think it would sound very convincing to a person who lacked the basic understanding of meteorites. The overall language of the article coupled with the use of geological and chemical terminology sets it in a class above the usual fictitious accounts. However, anyone who has studied meteorites on even the most basic level (Meteoritics 101 and lower) would know that this rock measuring 495 X 742.5 feet could not be a meteorite. The mass is sufficient large (several time over, actually) that the earths atmosphere would have no effect on slowing it's entry speed. If the meteor didn't break up during entry for some reason it would have vaporized on impact; no large pieces of it would remain and there would be a crater of tremendous size where this rock now sits. Best, JKG At 06:36 AM 9/21/2004, chris aubeck wrote: Dear list, I would very much like to know how much of the following may be based on scientific procedure and observation, and whether as a whole it makes any sense at all. I found the text in an article dated originally to 1864 and have translated it to the best of my ability from Spanish (in which I'm fluent, but this was very technical). It was published in Argentina. As usual with this kind of thing, I don't know where to turn, except to the experienced guys on this list. I'll be doing the internet equivalent of sitting glued to the screen hoping someone can enlighten me! Very best, Chris * I came across a great black rock, ovoid in shape and measuring around 30 rods in diameter in its widest part by 45 rods in length. I was quite astonished on seeing such a large, isolated stone, in the middle of the plains; what caught my attention above all was its dark and vitrified appearance at first sight. I examined it thoroughly and shortly I had no doubt, I was standing before an aerolite but few of such enormity have been found to date. Enthused by my discovery I telegraphed Mr. Smith (a geologist and a friend of mine who was then in Córdoba on the way to the mountains) to come and examine this curious piece of planetary matter. This he did and a few days later my friend Mr. Smith, Mr. Jones and I went off to investigate the aerolite scientifically. On the afternoon of the same day we began to bore a hole into it to analyze the diverse materials of which its interior was composed, and for this purpose we employed an Argentine laborer named Jesús Villegas. A notable feature, at first sight, are the cracks and crags from which considerable pieces must have come loose: the whole mass is covered in a certain black enamel, from 3 to 9 ½ inches thick. The interior contains 5% graphitic carbon, magnetic iron sulphate, a magnesium and iron carbonate, which could be considered a kind of breu merite, an extremely rare substance; silica, talc, some complex minerals that are not to be found on earth, for example, Sheibirsite, which is a double phosphorus of iron and nickel, ammonium hydrochloride, a very volatile salt, whose presence in the aerolite proves that the candent state of the surface did not last a long time and that the heat did not penetrate to the interior of the mass, and this concords with the low conductivity of its composition, and finally it contained cesium and some alkaline silicates that we are not familiar with. At seven rods we have found ophite; at 15, granite. The stone was very hard and our boring progressed very slowly. ** = http://embark.to/magonia C / Mayor 51, 3 B, 28013 Madrid Spain Tel: 600376311 (with image capabilities) ___ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] freebies and fall sale
Which falls to you have for sale? I'm looking for Homestead, Holbrook, Esterville, Johnstown and Allende. If you have any of these for a good price...let me know. JKG At 02:15 PM 9/19/2004, Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! wrote: Hi list.Just a reminder.I have 4 freebies plus a $25 fragment forsale.Also I have my fall meteorite sale going on. steve = Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120 I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728 Illinois Meteorites website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
