Re: [meteorite-list] Galileo's missing fingers found in jar
Don't laugh (and yes, OT): http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/11/23/mussolinis_brain/ M Mike Hankey wrote: can't wait till they hit ebay! On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 4:47 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Related and morbid but interesting... ...(CNN) -- Two fingers cut from the hand of Italian astronomer Galileo nearly 300 years ago have been rediscovered more than a century after they were last seen, an Italian museum director said Monday... -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 1196 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Kids find a meteor!
UFO Crash Lands? Dear dear... ;-) Darren Garrison wrote: http://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/Article.aspx/1351790?UserKey= __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 795 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Just meteorites, I'm afraid...
Lots of pictures of meteorites. No charge. No advertising or selling anything. No abuse, no limericks (although I think they may be worth a page...) Meh. Have a look. http://meteorites.cc/ Best, Mark -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 691 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - May 2, 2009
A good-sized specimen from the NHM London: http://meteorites.cc/nhm-images/bv/murch3.jpg M ensorama...@ntlworld.com wrote: Hi All, Murhison is listed as having a TKW of over 100kg and yet there is very little available for collectors...did most of it end up in labs or are collectors and dealers just holding on to this precious material. Graham Ensor, UK -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ONE AD PER WEEK I have an idea!
Mike, I don't understand what point you're trying to make here. IMCA is IMCA, MetList is an open email forum (very lightly) moderated by Art. They are not in any way related, other than the obvious fact that the community is small, many IMCA members are list members, and vice versa. If you're suggesting that IMCA should 'do something' about Bill's comments, according to the web site he's not a member; IMCA therefore has no jurisdiction. If you're talking about someone else then I'm just confused. ? Galactic Stone Ironworks wrote: What kills me if that the IMCA looks the other way while it's members make a mockery of Art's rules. Apparently they aren't concerned too much about their public image. Other organizations would give the boot to members who flagrantly violate rules of public venues. Not only are the rules selectively enforced here on the list, but apparently the IMCA follows a similar strategy. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] cottingham
Bill, Get over yourself and try to find another outlet for your sad and misdirected bile. Best wishes for a speedy recovery, Mark michael cottingham wrote: Hello, http://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-history Great Deals Abound! Michael Cottingham On Apr 30, 2009, at 3:45 PM, bill kies wrote: The met-list. A priceless tool or a tool with a price? I'm sick of bitching about cottingham. Look at his ads for this month. Why the hell should we care about his profits or how he finances his next spam. He's insulted us by claiming to be a charitable institution and he has accelerated his nonsense ever since. 3 ads a day is sick. He is a relentless parasite that is only concerned with profit. _ Windows Live™ Hotmail®:…more than just e-mail. http://windowslive.com/online/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_more_042009 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] When is a fall...?
I read a definition of a fall as being where the meteor is 'usually seen as a fireball' before it lands and is recovered. Obviously, I thought, it needs to be seen burning up - that's the very definition of a fall. I then considered that the definition would strictly be 'observed' to fall. One could imagine a scenario where an object may not be witnessed by the human eye, but which were otherwise recorded. *Pribram and *Innisfree were recorded photographically; Pribram and (I think) Innisfree were also witnessed by eye, but if they hadn't been I'd still call them falls. Then I wondered about 2008 TC3. It was observed and projected to impact earth, the landing area was calculated. Material was recovered. Now if the KLM pilot hadn't seen the fireball, and if the putative Meteosat image (*http://tinyurl.com/d4sna5) *hadn't appeared - would this still be classed as a fall? When is a fall not a fall? :) Mark ** -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dam Hammer
Actually, it would make a great name for a meteorite ;-) Carl 's wrote: I like the sound of Dam Hammer myself. It would make a great ebay name or TV series. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Question on NY meteorite fall
Hey Carl, If you assume that the date range could easily be 5 years either side (your lady isn't a teenager!), MetBase lists 19 iron meteorites in the US between those. None were falls, and none were in NY. If you ignore irons and look at all falls in the US between 1923 and 1933, MetBase lists 13, none are iron, and again none in NY. Now my US geography isn't great, but I don't think Missouri, N Carolina, Jansas, Colorado, Virginia, Oregon, Texas or Illinois are particularly close to NY. (Close as in enough to potentially see/hear a meteorite, which could land some distance away). There are in fact only 4 recorded falls from NY - Bethlehem (1859), Yorktown (New York) 1869, Schenectady (1968) and Peekskill (1992). Combined TKW is just over 14kg. We can only really go on published data. It is, of course, possible an iron was found and lost/cut up/smelted, but it would be hard to move and if your witness saw it fall to earth others would have too, and it would likely have been communicated by that period. My money would be on conflated or hazy memories; munitions? dug-up septic tank? I don't know, but in the absence of any other evidence on balance it doesn't ring true to me. Mark cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: List, I have a question; I met a lady that swears she witnessed a meteorite fall in Potter, or Rushville, in the state of New York on her grandfathers farm. His name was Floyd Lafler. . Potter is just south of Rochester. . She was about 7 years old around 1928. A meteorite fell and she heard detonations and her whole house shook. When her family went outside they observed a large iron meteorite about the size of a large desk. She said it even smelled bad. Later some men in suits came with a large trailer and hauled the thing away. She is looking for any information about the fall. I get nothing on a Google search. Is there any way to find out if this exists or what could have happened to this meteorite? Thanks. Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bogus indochinites? Are they or aren't they?
Michael Gilmer wrote: I posted about some indochinites that I bought from a vendor in Hong Kong. After doing some research on the seller, I discovered that he had been red-flagged in the past for selling fake moldavite. Well, they arrived. And they are real. I don't want to sound over-cynical here, but you sound like you're saying you bought material from a known-faker, but you're now happy that what you bought was genuine. Surely either the known-faker statement is inaccurate, or the now-known-genuine claim is at best dubious? ? -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD Encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com website for sale
Whoa, Michael :) Pierre said he hoped it wouldn't be purchased by someone who would use the information for his business - which isn't the same as saying not to a dealer. In fact, in the original posting, he explicitly said he'd prefer to sell to an IMCA member or a well-known meteorite dealer. So I don't think it's fair to characterise his post as you did. A bigger question is data protection and copyright. There's no question Pierre can sell the domain and his web code, but the info in the database belongs to those who have submitted it. Same applies to the extensive images stored there. I think it's reasonable to insist that the new owner (curator?) respects our copyright and doesn't use the images/data for commercial ends without prior permission. Mark Michael L Blood wrote: Greetings Pierre and all, Pierre, I was concerned about your comment of hoping The new owner is not a meteorite dealer who would benefit From the web site personally in any way. Being a dealer puts one in a position to contribute to the meteoritic community and not just be some kind of blood sucking leach! -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fun questions, or public FAQs
I was reflecting yesterday on the fun I get showing my collection to guests, and talking about meteorites to non-hobbyists. It got me thinking that there are some standard questions which come up time and again. * Where do you get them from? [One of the few opportunities to use the line 'I buy from dealers by the gram' in polite conversation :) ] * How do you know they haven't just gone to the local DIY store and bought a bag of gravel? [or various versions of this] * How do you know it really comes from Mars/the Moon/the asteroids? ...and I suppose if the conversation comes round to it: * HOW much??? :) I wondered if other list members had any fun regular (or occasional) ones to share? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] If you're Bored I need a Web Site Check
Try http://www.dead-links.com/ Mark David Kitt Deyarmin wrote: I had to migrate my web site to a new server and had to go into all of the pages associated with my site to change the URLS. If you are very good at surfing and have lots of time on you hands please verify that I don;t have any broken links on my site. You can click this to get to it. http://home.roadrunner.com/~bobadebt/ From the main page you can click on any sphere title and go to a history page and in those pages I have several links to other pages on my site. I don't think I missed anything but a second set of eyes wouldn't hurt. All links to other sites should still work. If you find anything please let me know via email at bobadebt at ec.rr.com Thanks __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.1/1868 - Release Date: 29/12/2008 10:48 -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite impacts Scotland
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/highlands_and_islands/7795381.stm (OK, it was a little while back :) ) M -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Name?
When I started out, a wise man told me, I can only say two things about this hobby: it'll become an obsession, and your wife will never understand. :) Mark Greg Hupe wrote: Hi Harry, I think the name would be Passionate Obsessed *Nut* Meteoritophile Enthusiasts! Greg - Original Message - From: Harry aeromadn...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, December 25, 2008 4:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Name? I was wondering what the proper name for someone who studies/hunts/collects meteorites. I had heard it was meteoricist but that might be wrong. Sent from my iPhone __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.0/1864 - Release Date: 25/12/2008 09:40 -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] IMCA Alternative Group
Michael Gilmer wrote: I will soon be starting a Yahoo discussion group to lay the groundwork for a new meteorite group. Why? -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Toolbox Meteorite
You so need to get out more, Mike ;-) Mike Bandli wrote: It also allows one to employ the ultimate geek pick-up line: Excuse me, Miss, allow me to open that Coors Light with my meteorite for you. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Rocks POD - November 18, 2008
I click on the link, I get a brief image of Gujba, and then (without clicking anything) I get a full page of advertisments. Comment: Not for me. Michael Gilmer wrote: Installment #1 Nov, 18, 2008 - Comments and suggestions are welcome. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What did I see?
I got a note today from someone in N Texas who reckons she saw four fireballs last night. I'm sure list folks have had many such emails over the years. Rather than try to list all the possible things that it might/might not have been, does anyone have a link to a site with beginners' guide to this kind of thing? I mean something that characterises how to tell meteorites from planes, iridium flares, chines lanterns, aircraft, etc. Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] 2008 TC3 image
A picture of the train left behind by the above asteroid appears to have come to light: http://tinyurl.com/6bn4tq More details at today's http://www.spaceweather.com Mark * * -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bassikounou photographs
Very nice, I WANT that big one! :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Fantastic! Thanks for sharing. Every body, Check It Out! Tom In a message dated 10/29/2008 12:09:00 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi List, Below some links to Bassikounou photographs I made. Thought some of you might appreciate viewing them. The emphasis is on fusion crust. They may take some time to load, as I choose not-to-small format. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Graphical Impact Calculator
Saw this posted on a UK astro site, it's quite neat: http://down2earth.eu/impact_calculator/ M -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: Bolide to enter over northern Sudan in less than 8 hours
So, I'm guessing this is the first time such an event has actually been predicted? Bizarre seeing the ephemeris just... stop! Sterling K. Webb wrote: Hi, All! Rob Matson asked to forward this to the list as he apparently cannot post it. A remarkable event, well... Read it. A shame it's not hitting some area more hospitable to searches! Sterling K. Webb --- -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Semi-Famous Meteorites For Sale
So is the link broken, or removed on the back of Adam's reply? Mark Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, I have a few Semi-Famous Meteorites for sale. Take a look and email me of list. http://www.mr-meteorite.com/famousmeteorites4sale.htm Ruben Garcia Phoenix, Arizona http://www.mr-meteorite.com http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=meteorfrightp=v -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ESA plans asteroid sample-return mission
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7623411.stm -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - September 18, 2008
From which NHM? Mark Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/September_18_2008.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Nice Bassikounou pics
Evening all, I received a really nice 100g Bass from Mike Jensen today, oriented, lovely crust and rollover lip. Here's a couple of images for those who're interested. http://meteorites.cc/bassroll.jpg http://meteorites.cc/bass-detail.jpg Cheers, Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Witnessed Falls Database
http://tin.er.usgs.gov/meteor/ Check 'Falls', put '*' in search box and hit search. Mark RJP wrote: Does anyone know of a global database that lists every recorded witnessed fall with TKW info, ect? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks. Ryan __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.169 / Virus Database: 270.6.19/1661 - Release Date: 09/09/2008 04:58 -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Amsterdam museum displays?
I'm going to be in Amsterdam this weekend, I wondered if any list members know of any museums with meteorites on display. I've checked with MetBase which suggests some exhibits are on display at the Zeiss Planetarium - can anyone confirm or suggest an alternative? If so pls contact me off-list. Thanks Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Pictures from NHM London collection
Morning folks, Members of the British Irish Meterorite Society (BIMS) yesterday visited the meteorite collection at the Natural History Museum in London. I've posted a page with photos and a little background. http://meteorites.cc/ - first link at the top of the page Best, Mark __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor or supernova tonight?
Yup, have a look at Heavens Above (http://www.heavens-above.com) and check back previous 48 hours for your location. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That sounds an awful lot like an Iridium flare. Mark Bob Loeffler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, About 1 hour ago (somewhere between 11:20pm and 11:40pm Mountain timezone) while walking in my Superior, Colorado neighborhood I saw something in the western sky that was really cool. The thing that caught my eye was a star that brightened and brightened (so it was as bright as Jupiter) and then it faded away. It took between 5 and 10 seconds for the whole thing to occur until I couldn't see it anymore. At first I thought it might be a meteor coming toward me from the west, but I didn't see much (if any) movement. It just brightened and faded. I was still walking, so my perspective might've been off with the motion of me moving (so background trees and houses would've been moving also). I guess it could still be a meteor, but it seemed more like a supernova (although those take a lot longer to brighten and fade). I didn't hear anything, but I am near a somewhat busy highway. It definitely was NOT an airplane. No blinking lights and not much movement. It was between the stars Arcturus (in Bootes) and Antares (in Scorpius) possibly in the Serpens constellation, like near M5 (Messier 5). I think it was closer to Arcturus (maybe 10 degrees to the south of it) and slightly higher in the sky, but there were several bright street lights in that direction, so I couldn't get a more exact location for it. Sorry. Did anyone else see it? Maybe Chris Peterson at his Cloudbait Observatory in Guffy, CO got a video of it? I also saw two definite meteors during my 20 minute walk. Regards, Bob Loeffler COMETS http://www.peaktopeak.com/comets/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.9/1583 - Release Date: 31/07/2008 06:17 -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Just Another Question
A related question I pondered a while back: How big does an object need to be to be a 'parent body'? Is the meteorite ever the full remnant of the PB? In other words, can something be big and coherent enough to survive passage through the atmosphere and produce a meteorite, which hasn't previously been part of a much larger body? My (rather ill-educated) guess would be that candidates would be very primitive and undifferentiated, with a very pretty low density. Mark Quoting Jeff Grossman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Alan Rubin and I grappled with this issue in our article in Meteorite! 10 years ago, What is a meteorite? The pursuit of a comprehensive definition. We wanted a definition that would exclude things like tektites from being called meteorites. Our definition then said that, to be called a meteorite, an object had to escape the dominant gravitational influence of its parent body. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West Australian Perth Museum Pictures plus AD
Great pictures Desmond. Those big irons, in particular, are beautiful. Mark Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi all, Please see the link below of my recent visit to the Western Australian Museum while I was back home in Perth. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
I don't, personally, see it as a hard distinction. The labels are more for convenience - comets tend to be 'wetter and oilier', and more often are in eccentric orbits. Asteroids tend not to exhibit coma/tail because in a more stable orbits, they would either have lost most of their volatiles long ago (close in), or not be significantly shedding them (farther out). They may be manifestations of the same thing, but the labels are still useful (cf water/ice/steam). Mark Quoting Mark Ford [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Good point Larry. But I can't understand why people are still carefully distinguishing between comets and Asteroids?, I think by now we can assume they are basically one and the same, and not some exotic different species. To me it's just that some rocks are more 'wet and oily' than others... __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
http://tinyurl.com/4kwbvm http://tinyurl.com/4kwbvm Includes very cool impact video. Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Observed lunar meteorite impacts hit 100
This got me thinking... some of the lunar impacts are being attributed to well-known meteor showers. Are there any good candidates for (earthly) meteorites which may be part of such showers, and therefore potentially once part of the presumed parent body? I guess candidate criteria would be time of year and (at least rough visual) triangulation back to the radiant. Or as many/most showers are associated with comets rather than asteroids, is the material perhaps much more fragile and therefore less likely to reach the earth's surface? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite offered (NOT an ad)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I also believe it to be exactly the same kind as what the air force described to be an alien space craft which crashed in roswell, New mexico in 1967, I believe.[...] They also reported finding aliens You couldn't make it up, could you? Suggest they take it to within some mystically-calculated radius of Roswell (make it something to do with distance to Barnard's Star, speed of light expressed in furlongs/fortnight, your dog's birthday - whatever). He should then surround the 'meteorite' with crystals at the cardinal points of the compass, and seeing if it generates any 'resonance'. It's very important not to define 'resonance' in advance, of course, in order not to influence the outcome;) -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] working AZ Eucrite photo link
Very purty! :) Michael L Blood wrote: I am informed the photo link I sent on the AZ Eucrite did Not work. Please try this one and click on small image for Larger one: -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Thin sections?
Evening list, As part of my attempts to lean more about our common interest, I've been reading up and trying to get my head round some basic mineralogy - in particular using thin-section microscopy. I wondered if any members had any old sections, perhaps dirty/cracked/damaged, or some surplus inexpensive specimens, which they would be prepared to sell for a modest sum? Meteoritic obviously preferred, but terrestrial would also be appreciated. If anyone can help please contact me off-list. Thanks, Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Lots of micros
Hi all, I've listed a couple dozen specimens, mainly micros. There are a few rare types (OD, a nice L3.2, EL6, NWA 960 - H/L/LL3), some nice American pieces (Gruver, Belle Plaine, Tulia), 2 micros of Cold Bokkeveld, and some small Gaos. All still at 99p, ending in a few days. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/London-Miscellany_W0QQsspagenameZMEQ3aFQ3aSTQQtZkm Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Quick and Dirty Parent Body List
I've been trying to collate just such a list Mike, so I'm keen to see what comes back. Here's my part-list so far - it's absolutely not to be considered definitive, but may spur further reading: http://meteorites.cc/misc/cand-par.htm Mark Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi folks! Can someone help me compile a list of meteorite types that originate from well-known asteroids and/or solar system bodies. For example, we have lunar and martian meteorites of various types. And angrite is under debate as possibly being from Mercury. Diogenite is from asteroid Vesta. Are there any other meteorite types that originate from large, well-known asteroids? Thanks in advance! MikeG -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
I'm reading Paul Davies' The Fifth Miracle. In chapter 6 it refers to the 1996 discovery by Taylor, Baggaley and Steel of inter-stellar dust particles entering the earth's atmosphere in the form of fast ( 70-km/s) meteors: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v380/n6572/abs/380323a0.html It got me wondering as to whether there are any candidates for meteorites which may be of extra-solar origin. Are there any? How would they be identified - a suspiciously long CRE age would perhaps be one indicator? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Extra-solar material?
There's a PDF of the full paper linked from the abstract. If the results are correct (it's 12 years old, I don't know if the findings have been challenged since) then we would seem to have a steady stream of interstellar particles from at least 2 discrete extra-solar sources. I wonder if there would be value in a Stardust-like probe - perhaps in Earth orbit - aimed at trapping micrometeor particles before the impact the atmosphere. Or even the high-altitude 'fly paper' flights, intended to sample interplanetary dust particles (McSween refers to this in Ch 1 of MATPP). Either approach would seem to offer the opportunity to realise a proportion of specimens which originate from outside our system. I've no idea how they would be positively identified as such, however. M Chris Peterson wrote: Extrasolar meteors have probably occurred; extrasolar meteorites seem unlikely. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What a surprise! (not)
And, presumably, a lot of oats and hay :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sterling: You forgot overnight mail; Pony Express. It took 11 days (Missouri to California) and initially cost $5.00 for 1/2 oz. Assuming beer was 2 bits (25 cents), that is a lot of beer! -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Messing around with filters
I've admired the images of thin sections posted on the list since I joined last year. I thought I'd have a go at seeing what I could achieve on a very low budget. I had fun, and thought some of you might enjoy reading about it. http://meteorites.cc/xpl/xpl.html Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Most expensive rock?
Hi folks, After seeing one of Adam's Chassy specks go on eBay for the eye-watering figure of ~$87,000/g, I wondered what the most expensive price paid for a specimen was? I suppose it's two questions - the highest dollar price/gram (and I suppose Chassigny might take this even off eBay), and the highest absolute amount paid for a single example. Anyone know? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorites not being able to leave certain countries
Utter rot. Why should meteorites be different from any other cultural or scientific heritage? Viewed from a slightly broader view than we sometimes do on this list, meteorites are items of both financial and scientific value. None of us have any god-given right to own them, whether they come from Canada, Argentina, or (for that matter) the US. In the absence of international treaty (such as with Antarctica), every state has to make its own mind up how to handle these matters. Some may choose to be laissez-faire; some may blanket ban export; some will strike a reasonable middle path, and, say, permit export of material once their own scientific establishments have had a chance to examine and take samples. If anything, we should perhaps be arguing for a /more/ uniform approach to be taken, and that uniform approach to me wouldn't be a free-for-all. Mark Michael Murray wrote: The reasoning? That's easy Steve, pick one: - exercising absolute state authority, - exercising autocratic authority - exercising complete regulation by the state - exercising a monopoly BTW, in response to someone's statement about artifacts, I fail to find meteorite crouched anywhere in the meaning of the word artifact. That is an often used strategy though. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] By Popular Demand................
I guess the question here is, do sellers have a right to anonymity, and if so, when does it outweigh the buyer's right to provenance? As a collector I'm delighted to have more provenance, because it add to the interest of the piece, the future value, and gives me even more confidence that it's genuine. As far as authenticity goes, however, in the case of people like Anne, I've already accepted the material is genuine because of the person doing the selling. In terms of setting a model of behavious, I think as a general rule you would find that more trustworthy sellers would be more likely to provide sources, whereas less trustworthy ones wouldn't (or would plain lie!). (This is NOT a suggestion that only shady characters wouldn't want to list their sources...) But from a purely commercial point of view, I can't see how this could work. If dealer A is selling material for $50/g, and his source (B) is selling for $25/g, am I really going to approach A? I'm going to be beating a path to B, as Martin points out, and demanding a better deal - and I'm going to put A in the 'taking the mickey' pile. Not good for either A or B. Or, if I happen to know that A is buying from C, and that C has a contact in NWA, I may try to cut out the middle man and go straight to the source. Not good for anyone. I think the whole idea puts an artificial spin to the market, and as long as you accept the reality that it /is/ a market, I don't think it's a workable option. The exception I would argue for is historics - there is often so little material that I think it's fair and reasonable to expect a higher degree of proof. But even then, for me the onus is on the buyer to request the information, rather than the seller to offer it up front. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello List-Members, After reading all the emails yesterday, I decided there was only one thing I could do: publish my sources. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] It was intuition ? OK ?
One thing which I think the IMCA could do to give a lead here is some kind of new collectors' guide. I joined about a year ago, not long after I started collecting, as I correctly worked out that I'd want to trade on some of my specimens at some point, and wanted to do as much as possible to 'get it right'. I think more by luck than judgement, my records meet the 'minimum level' Mark G talks about - I log source and month of purchase, I keep all CoAs, I also keep a photo of each specimen - taken from the eBay sale, dealer's web site, wherever I've obtained it from. Despite this I know there are a couple of mistakes for some of my earliest entries. It may seem obvious to those who've been in the game for a while, but I had to figure this out for myself - I didn't find any advice on record-keeping. If I hadn't taken these steps from day one then my collection would be substantially less valuable, but more to the point the whole chain of provenance would have been broken while the material was under my stewardship. I think we all have a part to play when it comes to authenticity; some kind of summary from IMCA to new members could go a little way to addressing these points. As ever, just my 2p worth... Dave Gheesling wrote: IMCA BOD, are you ready to roll? Much more important than the question of an orientation rating system, this is a great opportunity for you to establish some kind of framework around which to blow the whistle with credibility when something stinks like left out fish... Dave -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What Started It All...?
For me it's mainly the old historic falls. I love the way they link us back in a chain through time, across different countries, languages, different philosophies and world-views which were extant at that point. I also like poring over the surviving records of the time. That fact that many of them are only available in small pieces (often at silly prices) only adds to the allure - they are a rare species within a rare class of objects. Other than those, I have a soft spot for low petrologic type chondrites like 4522, 2918, 4699 - very beautiful, primitive matter - and well-prepared irons. I think the irons are interesting because such a high proportion of them are ungrouped or anomalous - suggesting we still have a lot to learn about them. So in a nutshell, for me it's history, beauty, and mystery :) Mark Michael L Blood wrote: Hi Eric and all, Great post, Eric. I think about every 6 months the list should have A why I like meteorites posting flood. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Science tattoos
ROFLMAO :) Martin Altmann wrote: And I need some galaxies on my belly, Then I can demonstrate the expanding universe. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Effect of fall of dollar against Euro/ dirham's
We're working on it, guys, we're working on it :) Greg Hupe wrote: What I don't understand is why there are not more Europeans buying Meteorites from US dealers? With the Euro so strong against the dollar, what An opportunity. I was thinking the same exact thing! With the Dollar so low and the Moroccan wholesale pricing WAY, WAY high, any collectors outside of the US buying meteorites priced in US Dollars are getting a serious bargain, many serious bargains!!! -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NWA 4522 - Interesting Pieces, Pictures!
4522 is one of the most beautiful chondrites I've seen in my (limited) collecting experience. Here's a composite of a few of my slices: http://meteorites.cc/nwa4522-col.jpg Mark Pete Pete wrote: Absolutely beautiful, Carsten! Pictures to save, for sure. What does the fusion crust look like? Would you have any shots of that to post? Best, Pete -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fw: USA 193 Flyover
Heavens Above (http://www.heavens-above.com/) gives details of passes for 193, as well as the ISS, shuttle, Iridium satellites, etc for your location. Mark Jerry wrote: Sorry this is late but thought it interesting to the group. I was bummed because it was raining last night so I didn't see it. I know there's a site which displays sat's positions. Maybe someone might pass that on. Jerry Flaherty -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] How many oriented meteorites?
Hey Tim, I don't know about 'fully' oriented, but according to Norton ~5% of stony meteorites show 'some degree' of orientation, and that irons are (helpfully!) 'sometimes' oriented. He attributes to Nininger an estimate that 28% of irons are oriented, but doesn't define the degree of orientation. Mark Tim Heitz wrote: Hello List, How many 85% to 100% oriented meteorites do you think are found? 1 in 5000 for an iron meteorite 1 in 500 for a stone meteorite Whats your best guess? Thanks, Tim Heitz MIDWEST METEORITES - http://www.meteorman.org/ __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] - Micros for sale
I've a few lots in auction on eBay at the moment, all micros. They include a beautiful part slice of DaG 082 CO3, a nice slice of the Ureilite Dhofar 132, a really pretty NWA 989 CV3, some planetaries, and small fragments of Kesen and Agen historic falls. http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQfbfmtZ1QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ32QQlredZAny0QQsabfmtsZ1QQsascsZ1QQsassZduineuk Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] woman hit by meteorite?
It's also recycled - the story first appeared in Aug 2004 (Google Pauline Aguss, the woman in question). M Jason Utas wrote: Hola Laurence, All, Seems unlikely; here's a picture of the stone: http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article93341.ece Doesn't look very good... Regards, Jason -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] tucson pics page 2
Cool pics Steve, thanks for sharing. Mark steve arnold wrote: Hi again list.It has been another long day.Still -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson update
Hi Matt, Thanks a lot for the comprehensive report. Look forward to hearing more. Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Bob: I can give you a brief update. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Images of NWA 5000 Complete Slice
Good grief, Adam - it's /enormous/! Adam Hupe wrote: Dear List Members, I promised some images of the only complete slice taken from NWA 5000, The Cosmic Masterpiece. The -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] McSween's Meteorites and their Parnet Planets
If you haven't had the chance to read McSween I highly recommend it as well as Richard Norton's Rocks From Space, Harvey Nininger's book Find a Falling Star and there are a few others that are worthy of mention at a later date or perhaps members will chime in and offer their suggestions. All my best! I found McSween a little less 'readable' than Norton, but I think that's a reflection on Rocks From Space rather than MATPP. It is an excellent read. Re the Ensisheim fall - listees may find this account interesting. I transcribed it from an 1803 article describing a sign which formerly lived in the church with the stone (ie, it had been removed before the start of the 19th century): “THE STONE OF ENSISHEIM On Wednesday, November 7, the night before St Martin’s day, in the year of our Lord 1492, a singular miracle happened: for between the hours of eleven and twelve a loud clap of thunder took place, with a long-continued noise, which was heard at a great distance; and a stone fell from the heavens in the Ban of Ensisheim which 260 pounds; and the noise was much louder in other places than here. A child then saw it strike on a field situated on the upper Ban, towards the Rhine and the In, near the canton of Gisgone[?], which was sown with wheat. It did no hurt, except that it made a hole there. It was afterwards transported thence; and a great many fragments were detached from it, which the /land-vogt/ forbade. It was then deposited in the church, with the intention of suspending it as a miracle; and a great many people came hither to see this stone, respecting which there were singular discourses. But the learned said they did not know what it was, for it was something supernatural that so large a stone should fall from the atmosphere; but that it was a miracle of God: because, before that time, nothing of the kind had ever been heard of, seen, or described. When this stone was found, it had entered the earth to a depth equal to the height of a man. What everybody asserted was, that it had been the will of God that it had been found. And the noise of it was heard at Lucerne, at Villing, and many other places, so loud, that it was thought the houses were all overturned. And when king Maximilian was here, the Monday after St Catharine’s day of the same year, his royal excellency caused the stone which had fallen to be carried to the castle; and after conversing a long time with his lords, he said the people of Ensisheim should take it: and he gave orders that it should be suspended in the church, and that no person should be permitted to take any part of it. His excellency, however, took two fragments; one of which he kept, and the other he sent to Duke Sigismund of Austria. The people talked a great deal of this stone, which was suspended in the choir, where it still is, and many came to see it.” Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Life on Mars!
If it's an alien, it's a /very small//alien: http://www.nasa.gov/images/content/207495main_Spirit.jpg (you can just make it out bottom left) wayne holmes wrote: Hello all Well!! for one opinion, I believe its the Engineer and train wreck parts from the Franconia Strewn Field. Some believe the accident material traveled a great distance. Wayne -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The space program after Bush
I have to admit I'm torn over this one. In terms of bang-per-buck (certainly in the short- to mid-term), there's no question that unmanned orbiters/landers can generate more science, and investigate more targets, than manned flight will over the next couple of decades. In a bunfight over funding (and the US is by no means alone in squeezing science budgets - witness, eg, the threatened UK withdrawal from the Isaac Newton Telescope, among others) it's difficult to argue for a moon base. On the other hand, it's impossible to put a value on the human imperative. How many people were inspired by the Apollo program? What contribution towards the easing of the Cold War was made by the Apollo-Soyuz missions? What is the worth of millions of people being lifted from the daily routine by following the construction of the ISS, or watching flares as it passes overhead? (All rhetorical questions, btw). And in the long-term, /of course/ manned flight is the way forward. As the list knows as well as anyone, this planet is too vulnerable to have all our human eggs in one basket. There's also the small matter of the technologies generated by getting to, habitising, and working off-world. But if I had to spend a limited pot of money now, as I say, I'd be torn. I guess I'd end up with some half-baked compromise, trying to cover the options and support both. Which isn't far from where we are in actuality, I suppose. Mark Michael L Blood wrote: on 1/21/08 6:26 AM, E.P. Grondine at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only reason to go to the Moon With whatever one were to follow such a statement, it would be Exceedingly short sighted to say the least. -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] I will no longer ship to Italy using paypal
I imagine because for smaller orders it's not worth the hassle and extra cost? M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: or why you have never sent pack with registered mail how had I asked in my case? Matteo -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] The high-pitched scream?
Hi folks, On another forum someone posted about a recent TV programme he'd watched about NEOs. At the end the guest astronomer said something to the effect that the first we know about an incoming impactor could be the high-pitched scream as it speeds through the atmosphere. It got me wondering; a sizeable body would be travelling at cosmic (ie very supersonic) velocity right through to impact, and therefore the scream should trail behind the object - in other words, we wouldn't even get that much warning. Was the speaker using poetic license or would there be any kind of fore-shock? Mark -- Mark's Meteorite Pages: http://meteorites.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Simple mapping software? (A little OT)
Doug, That's very cool. I must have a play with it when I have a bit of time. From the look of the data files on the DIY Map site, it should also be reasonably easy to update once it's set up. I played with Google Maps earlier by grabbing and then manually adding layers in Photoshop for the meteorites; it's a little more work but has the kind of look I'm after: http://meteorites.cc/misc/mainland-europe-eg.jpg Thanks also for the reminder about Risk - I can't tell how much time I wasted playing that game as a student! Mark mexicodoug wrote: Hi Mark, Marco, and others who enjoyed the Parker Bros. Napoleonic Risk game as kids*, Been playing around with this DIY Map software (macromedia based) since Mark first posted. I think I like the Meteorite bulletin - USGS Google Earth interface better, and would encourage you to check into the features of Google Earth allowing you to do 'kewl' stuff. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Simple mapping software? (A little OT)
Hi folks, I'm looking for a (free, ideally) tool to let me map out my colleciton. The kind of thing I'm after is just something which will colour up countries from where I have speciments, drop map-pins at long/lat co-ordinates of falls, etc. Nothing fancy. I keep my inventory in Excel so ideally something which integrates easily with that would be great. Anyone any thoughts/suggestions? Mark __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Simple mapping software? (A little OT)
Jeff/Pierre-Marie/Larry, Thanks for your replies. I know about Google Earth and the links from the MetBul db. I'm really after something a little (graphically) plainer and more tailorable. On a similar note, how do people catalogue their collections? Is there any preferred software out there? Excel is fine for the important info, but I'd love to be able to store photos, historical notes etc in something a little more grown up (the ability to add personal data to MetBase would be wonderful, for instance). ? Jeff Grossman wrote: There is little reason to use this file. The Meteoritical Bulletin database can plot any search results in google earth, and it is always up to date. Jeff __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 10 Reasons Why Everyone Should Own A Meteorite!
Anyone mind if I get out some popcorn and settle back to watch the fun...? :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote And you are probably going to hear from each and every one of them And those are real women, with a functioning brain. Right, ladies? Anne M. Black www.IMPACTIKA.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Vice-President, I.M.C.A. Inc. www.IMCA.cc __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorite photos up
Hi all, I've finally pulled my collection pages into some kind of shape, with plenty photos and an emphasis on historical context notes for the older falls. Hope some of you find them interesting: http://meteorites.cc (Please point out any errors or omissions off-list. Thanks). Mark __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Samples
John/list, At the risk of sounding naive, why /wouldn't/ you pay for professional classification? If Bessey's fee of around $80 is typical (and I admit, I don't know if that's the case), why would you risk lost samples or interminable delays? Why not just add an extra buck/gramme to the sale price? I guess what I'm asking is, what's the non-financial reason for lodging with a non-fee-charging establishment? Do 'professional' labs only validate a limited range of types (eg - Bathurst don't do irons)? Do you have no say over where the type specimen gets lodged? Mark JKGwilliam wrote: I suppose the only solution is to pay for the classification services so true professionals will be handling your specimen. Please don't misunderstand my use of the word professional. I'm talking about scientists who are also business professionals. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mars Impact Probability Increases to 4 Percent (Asteroid 2007 WD5)
Go asteroid :) The impact probability for a collision of asteroid 2007 WD5 with Mars on January 30 has increased from 1.3% to 3.9%. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Samples
A very interesting and informative page Bob, thanks. Have the rules re naming of coincidental falls/finds changed at some point? I'm thinking of Zacatecas (1792) vs (1969) - both finds but with a designation which would indicate a fall, on the current rules. Cf, eg Wethersfield (1971) vs (1982) - both falls. ? Bob Holmes wrote: This might help. See section 7. http://www.meteoriticalsociety.org/bulletin/nc-guidelines.htm __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid may be set to slam Mars in Jan.
It's interesting to speculate on the effect a second massive, observed planetary impact in 15 years (or 3 in 100, if you count Tunguska) would have on policy makers. One might expect that it would redouble investment in the search for, and technologies for dealing with, PHAs. One might hope that even the most rabid catastrophe-deniers among the political elite would be encouraged to act... but then, maybe I'm still on a Happy Hangover from an excessive Christmas Lunch ;-) M Francis Graham wrote: If it DOES hit Mars, I wonder what observations visual amateur astronomers can make of it? I think if it kicks up a dust storm that should be easy to see. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Photos from NHM, London
I thought the list might be interested in seeing some pictures from the Natural History Museum in London. They've recently refurbished the Mineral Gallery and there are some fantastic meteorites on display (including a large specimen of Nahkla, one of the Martian 'holy grail' candidates): http://meteorites.cc/nhm.html Mark __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 14, 2007
And here's a close-up of the one in the photo: http://annasach.net/meteorites.cc/nwa%204522.jpg It's beautiful material! Mark Jeff Kuyken wrote: Hi Jerry, Here's a page about them: www.meteorites.com.au/oddsends/BleachedChondrules.html __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks From Space Picture of the Day - November 14, 2007
I wondered that too (and don't know the answer). There are a few less striking examples on the slice which show similar 'cracks'. Jerry wrote: In the close-up fine web like structures seem to emenate from the circumference. Is this an artifact created in cutting and polishing or it is inherent in the bleaching process? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oopsy apologize
HOW much? £34k? *boggle* Martin Altmann wrote: But I can't help, am I the only one, who find these meteorite Rolexes very ugly? Btw. what a weak etch. http://cgi.ebay.com/ROLEX-MASTERPIECE-TRIDOR-METEORITE-DIAMOND-DIAL_W0QQitem Z230180043819QQihZ013QQcategoryZ31387QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Publications of the Carancas event ADDITIONAL
Don't know about seismic, but it appears to have shown up on infrasonic: [from spaceweather.com] *PERUVIAN METEORITE UPDATE: *On Sept. 15th, a fireball streaked across the skies of Peru and soon thereafter a watery crater http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2007/08oct07/crater.jpg was discovered by local residents near the town of Carancas. At first experts dismissed the connection; the crater didn't look like a meteorite impact. But since then minds have changed: Without reservation this is definitely a meteorite, says astronomy professor Peter Brown of the University of Western Ontario. We found some infrasound http://aquarid.physics.uwo.ca/infrasound.htm data recorded by a station in La Paz about 70 km away. From the size of the the airwave we can work out the kinetic energy of the impactor--about 0.03 kton TNT. Something like 20 to 30 kg of the meteorite have already been recovered, but odds are good a multi-ton monster lurks at the bottom of the crater, he continues. The bad news: It is below the water table, the rainy season is coming and unless some action is taken ASAP, the rock will quickly oxidize and crumble. [more http://www.spaceweather.com/swpod2007/08oct07/07_09_21_Carancas_meteorite.pdf] Meanwhile, he says, we are digging for seismic data of the actual impact--the first actual seismic recording of a terrestrial meteorite impact! Stay tuned. Michael Farmer wrote: The sounds were loud enough to break windows in Desaguadero and Carancas, and the impact shook the ground like an earthquake. Surely this impact would show up on seismic. One note though, there are large mines on the Bolivian side of the border, perhaps they blat a lot so seismic may not be noticed as much if that is the case. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dr Daniels - proposal for new name
In the name of sanity, can you please take this off-list? Mark M come Meteorite Meteorites wrote: everytime ridiculus...if I well remember I have put a messagge of collection update at 2-3 months agoor I have to ask the permito to you for put similar messagges? Matteo - Original Message - Da : Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] A : M come Meteorite Meteorites [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Oggetto : Re: [meteorite-list] Dr Daniels - proposal for new name Data : Thu, 4 Oct 2007 08:22:50 -0700 (PDT) Ok Matteo, whatever, I think I will explain my __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [Ad] Some eBay lots ending soon
Hi folks, I have some small lots on sale, all still at very affordable prices. Most are low/very low TKW NWAs, including a very nice NWA 091 L6 showing great vesiculation, and a really nice NWA 3154 H3.9 with lovely chondrules. http://stores.ebay.co.uk/London-Miscellany_Meteorites_W0QQcolZ4QQdirZ1QQfsubZ12913370QQftidZ2QQtZkm Many thanks, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Nut finds fake meteorite with fake technology!
MexicoDoug wrote: Hello Francis, you can buy one of Dr. Hieronymus' machines here for $600, if you want to do further experimentation: http://www.lifetechnology.org/hieronymus.htm There's one born every minute :) I wonder how many of those units they sell? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?
Hey Mike, It's a thin atmosphere, but Mars does /have/ an atmosphere - it's about 1% the density of Earth's. At the kind of speeds we're talking about, I don't see why ablation would be a problem. Space probes such as the ill-fated Beagle 2 use a heatshield for the initial entry prior to deploying parachutes (or not, in Beagle's case). What would be interesting is to see the descent curve for a Martian atmosphere compared to earth - I'd expect to see must shorter dark flight, for instance. Wonder what that would mean for the temperature of fresh-fallen Mars meteorites, if anything? Mark Mike Groetz wrote: Hi Everyone- Assuming Mars does not have an atmosphere and the pitting in this rover photo of a meteorite on Mars is from heat ablation... Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii http://www.space.com/php/multimedia/imagedisplay/img_display.php?pic=h_opportunity_rock0120_1_02.jpgcap=Instruments+on+the+Opportunity+Mars+rover+were+used+to+determine+that+the+object+was+a+meteorite.+Image+Credit%3A+NASA%2FJPL Would this be possible without an atmosphere? Take care, stay cool. Thank you Mike __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Meteorite Heat Ablation?
On a similar point... what size would meteorites have to be to have a chance of being found on the moon? Small ones would vapourise, large ones would vapourise a lot of the sirface material... is it possible that any recognisable fragments would survive? Chris Peterson wrote: But Mars does have an atmosphere. Its surface air density is about the same as Earth's at a height of 31 km, and far more than the density in the region of Earth's atmosphere where we typically see meteors. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cali chondrite fell extremely cold!
Spoilsport ;-) Michael Farmer wrote: Of course, crater-forming meteorites would start fires, I mean meteorite falls in general. Crater- forming extinction-causing meteorites are not what I am talking about. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cali chondrite fell extremely cold!
A gag I read 30 years ago in a kids' science book - I've tried it - it's now non-PC, but it works. Take a small piece of ice from the freezer. Find a stooge. Light a cigarette. Tell stooge he/she is perfectly safe. Turn stooge away from you. Very briefly apply ice to back of stooge's neck. Wave cigarette in apology, and prepare lawsuit - he/she will immediately accuse you of trying to set them on fire. It may advance the argument a little - plus, it's free fun :) Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: By the way, they had never heard of the (very good) suggestion that a person touching a very cold meteorite may actually think that the burning sensation is heat and not cold. Larry __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unclean gao givaway
drtanuki wrote: Mark, Have you bothered to read the post by Bill and Ken Newton of Steve`s history of posts? Yes. And I searched the archives. I actually read through the archives before I signed up for the list. In fact, I signed up for the list /despite/ the content of the archives (and I ain't just talking about Steve here). I signed up because I wanted to learn more about meteorites (sorry to drag things down to that level). Steve is more than a mere annoyance! I have nothing personal against Steve as a human being, but I certainly do about his List behavior. So he's a good human being, but whenever he posts to the list you want to do violence. There's certainly an issue there. And no, I will not cease to comment Good grief - as a Scotsman living in England, I wouldn't dream of challenging your 1st amendment rights, even if you don't reside in the US. Some things are universal :) Other things I believe are universal include treating people with different views, backgrounds, beliefs (and personalities) with respect. READ HIS OWN words, and IF you are still in doubt check the list archives. I am certainly not the only one on this list that enjoys Steve`s great contributions to this list... Steve`s history is below. Thank you Bill for kindly gleaning the archives; there about another 300+?? Read your own words, and decide if you're really focusing on the right things. I'm really, really not being flippant - we've all got families, jobs, mortgages, kids... if (collectively) you've got time to pore over, collate, precis, and repost 300+ postings from one individual who you have an issue with, are you really telling me you can't think of a better use of your time? Sometimes we just need to get outside and smell the flowers. More in hope than expectation, Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] unclean gao givaway
The guy actually said uncleaned - maybe not great English, but obviously meaning /not/ clean as opposed to /un/clean. Seriously - if Steve annoys you that much, can't you work out how to set up a killfile? It's a lot easier than composing a smart-ass, humiliating reply to every post he makes... Chill out and live a little. We're a long time dead. Mark drtanuki wrote: Steve, I had to look it up in the dictionary, your unclean, that is. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] [AD] - eBay auctions closing soon
Evening gang, I have a few lots on eBay ending in the next 24 hrs, including micros of Barwell and Hessle, and a nice polished slice of NWA. Nothing fancy, but maybe something for the beginner or micro collector: http://search.ebay.co.uk/_W0QQsassZduineukQQhtZ-1 Best Mark PS - ignore the non-meteorite auctions (or someone tell me how to filter them out?) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [AD] - eBay auctions closing soon
This link is better - apologies: http://collectables.search.ebay.co.uk/_Rocks-Fossils-Minerals_W0QQcatrefZC12QQsacatZ3213QQsassZduineuk Mark Mark Crawford wrote: Evening gang, I have a few lots on eBay ending in the next 24 hrs, including micros of Barwell and Hessle, and a nice polished slice of NWA. Nothing fancy, but maybe something for the beginner or micro collector: Best Mark PS - ignore the non-meteorite auctions (or someone tell me how to filter them out?) __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] $30,000 fusion slag
As for 'funniest dealers' I think this guy has a good shot: http://myworld.ebay.com/gospel-serve/ Ken Newton wrote: Matteo and newbies on the List, This is the same nut job discussed under the thread 'the funniest dealer I've seen' last April. He currently has 25 suspect wrongs being auctioned. I feel he will do some damage to the hobby because his deception is deliberate. http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZstarchasersmeteoritesQQhtZ-1 Buyers Beware - Victims have your items tested, notify eBay and Paypal, and take legal action. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ensisheim Meteorite 2007
Brilliant photos Peter, I may have to come along next year :-) Best, Mark Peter Marmet wrote: http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id23.html http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/id24.html Please tell me the missing / wrong names, thank you! Best regards, Peter __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OCEANS ON MARS
I get more convinced as time passes, that we *will* find either active or fossil life forms on Mars in my lifetime. Don't kid yourself Mark, Did you ever do that calculation in physics where you If not, it works out that the chances are that you have to leave the box for something like 10^20 times longer than the universe has been around for to have a chance of it happening or something ridiculous like that. My point is that random chemical production of complex amino acids is one thing but DNA is quite the other and how it manages to develop from a molecule to sentience is off any scale. Completely agree - but we're here to argue about it, right? So, given the universe has a greater than zero chance of life emerging (which I hope we can all agree on, even on metlist), it either happens in a tiny fraction of potential cases, or we're unique. Since I specifically mentioned Mars, I'd argue that the chances are somewhat higher than (arbitrarily) 10^20, because we share a common environment. I'm not positing panspermia (nor ruling it out); just noting the fact that we have a stable single star, a habitable zone which extended further out in geological time, and demonstrably a place where the right stuff emerged to do it at least once. I think Mars is a hot bet, and getting hotter by the year :) A group of British scientists predicted finding life on extrasolar planets in the next 10 years in the last week. How presumptious is this??? Probably pretty presumptious, I agree; but this species does tend to get a little excitable on this topic. I offer myself as a type specimen in evidence ;) You really have to believe that life will form wherever it can which is not the same as life finding a way to hang on Personally, I do believe that life will form, a lot of the time, in an environment where the conditions are right. You're completely right in about 'forming' vs 'hanging on' in a place where it's close to extant life, like sulphur vents vs rainforests - but as I say above, narrow the field of view. Maybe in our solar system, Mars is the sulphur vent to our rainforest? I REALLY think it will be. (ohhh, geez, I hope proof isn't found next week) I'll happily join you in humble pie and a decent pint if we ever get proof either way :) Hell, I'll buy you a pint anyway and we can argue till the cows come home 8) Best Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce
Spaceguard wrote: We are seeing increasing numbers of Tsunami's, Volcanic eruptions and Earthquakes even here in England we are experiencing this. There is absolutely no evidence of any of this, especially in England! True... Tim's right about this bit though: :-) One really sad thing I see is one day an Asteroid comes and hits us and wipes out half the planet I see unfortunately some humans would try and drag the remnants of it away and attempt to sell it on Ebay __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WG: Global Warming - Scientifically proven or a farce- human Hammer-
Do you really need to ask the question? There's no question that it would be bought, sold, and that the provenance would increase the value. Would I want to own a sample? I'm not sure*. I'd like to think not, but I suspect I'd start asking questions like can you guarantee that /this fragment/ wasn't the one which did the damage? I imagine others would ask for a guarantee that it /did/ do the damage (I think Michael just proved that point between me starting and sending this note!) :-) Mark *I'm lying. Of course I would. But I'd still want an 'innocent' fragment... Martin Altmann wrote: But I always asking my self what would happen if a Meteorite would kill a person? So would the Meteorite be the most expensive L6 ever been sold? Ore would nobody like to own a slice of a human killer hammer? Ok, I'm sure everybody would agree an impact kit is out of respect, but what's about the Meteorite, who would like to own a human killer Hammer? __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Specimen label?
Hi folks, I recently bought a small piece of Mt Egerton, which I discovered has a small label attached reading DYM 3.1: http://annasach.net/imgs/dym.jpg Any suggestions as to interpretation - a museum, perhaps, or specific collector? Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Suspect Seller?
Hey Bill, What is it with some of the people on this distribution? According to the met-list About, this is... /...with over 600 members, the best place to get information on rocks from space!/ I'm old on astronomy, and newish on meteorites. I joined thinking I'd get information on rocks from space. As for Ken's post (I don't know the man) - it's useful to get a feel for the kind of scams that are around. I'm not stupid, but I can be misled. What's the primary purpose of this group, nowadays, in reality? Is it for dealers? Mainly dealers, with collector/lurkers hoping to get an inside tip? Or just a place for the Old Boys to ignore or beat up the new guys? As a new member, I can honestly say that it's certainly not an open and welcoming community. Most hobbies try to encourage beginners - proponents want to share their knowledge, wonder and passion about their interests. This kind of BS can only serve to put people off the whole hobby. So I guess I'll be flamed for this - off-list is fine, but I suppose there's more grandstanding to be done by posting on-list. :-\ Mark Bill wrote: Hi Ken, Are you bored to death? I am. A lot of list members have been reamed out for posting these ebay warnings. Matteo comes to mind. Please stop. If we want your opinion we'll join the imca and view it on your invaluable website/s Bill __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where have all the meteorites gone?
Hi Dean/list, Interesting post. This might sound like a naive question - humour me, I'm new to this - but can anyone give even an approximate answer to these questions? 1 - estimated TKW of /all/ meteorites known to have fallen, to date ...and, I guess, much more difficult: 2 - estimated TKW (rather, I suppose, total available weight) of material 'out there', either waiting to be found in known strewn fields or on the open market? (Assuming no new finds/falls.) I note from your eBay biog (without prejudice or comment - I've purchased specimens from you myself) that you've shipped several tons of NWA in the last few years. How long do people think this level of supply (from yourself and other dealers) can continue? Best, Mark dean bessey wrote: I know that many people think that dealers have been making it up for the last 3 years but meteorites are running out. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon rock?
I can't speak to the specifics of which metal maps to which colour, but there are definite colour varations on the lunar surface which can be imaged. With a programme like Virtual Moon Atlass (free download) you can highlight areas high in Iron, Hydrogen, Potassium etc. There's a photo of mine here http://astro.annasach.net/moon.html ...along with a comparison from VMA highlighting the same date. Mark ensoramanda wrote: Hi all, Not far back there was a discussion on the list about iron contentent in lunar samples/meteorites and I thought this seemed related. I have just been sent this email by a friend from my local astronomy society who is into astrophotography and wondered if any knowledgable people on the list would like to comment. I have never heard of of or seen this before and thought it sounded dubious. If anyone is interested in the photograph I could email it to you. email below... Last night (29-04-07) I managed to image the moon and process it in such a way that it brought out the lunar colours signifying different types of rock on the surface. There are two images attached to this email, one is an unprocessed one (almost black and white but it is in fact a colour image!) and the second has had the colour process done on it. The images are a stack of 31 frames taken with a C8-NGT/Moonlite CR-1 and a Canon EOS300D/MPCC combination. Each single image was at 100ASA and exp was 1/200th second. To achieve the colour processed the image was neutral colour balanced so that when the saturation was adjusted it didn't favour any one colour. Once done, the saturation was increased in three stages of +30 and then in a couple stages of +10. Once the final colour balance was achieved, the image was unsharp masked and contrast adjusted to achieve the final result. Checking information on the internet, the colours signify areas of differing amounts of metal in the basalts on the Mare regions, the bluer the area the more metal, the oranger the area the less metal. Mare Tranquilitatis is very blue in comparison to neighbouring Mare Serenitatis although round the edge of Serenitatis, the metal composite is higher around the edge of the shoreline in comparison to the centre of the sea. Mare Humorum (to the lower left) displays the opposite colourations to Mare Serenitatis. Sinus Iridum, on the other hand, is very clearly low on metals and has a distinct border with Oceanus Procellarum plateau and from the processed image Mare Frigoris, on the northern edge of the lunar face, is low on metal. Graham Ensor, nr Barwell UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
