Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar?
How much is the Earth worth? ;) Eric On 4/13/2011 11:35 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote: Optical telescopes can have very wide fields of view and are relative cheap to build and operate making them the obvious choice, especially in this cash strapped era. Most important, the photons are FREE. Unlike all those expensive electrons you have to buy for radar... Sterling K. Webb - Original Message - From: Richard A. Kowalski kowal...@lpl.arizona.edu To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 12:40 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? --- On Wed, 4/13/11, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? (Was: Cold Asteroids May Have A Soft Heart) To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, April 13, 2011, 10:15 PM Richard, List, Since smaller meteoroids and asteroids are nearly undetectable in space, and we're currently searching optically with telescopes. Is it possible to detect meteoroids/asteroids with space based radar? Will radar even work in space? If so, what's the range, and how would it work? Do we have something like this? I know we have space based weather radar satellites, but what about pointing them into empty space to search for asteroids? Sorry if this is a dumb question... Just curious. Regards, Eric Not a dumb question and one that I field every so often. While it could be possible to detect NEOs and other asteroids usig a space based radar system, such a system would be ungodly expensive and difficult to construct and operate. Remember that radar works by sending our the radio signal and then observing the reflected energy. The radio telescopes here on earth that observe asteroids and other planets using radar are huge (The dishes at Goldstone and Arecibo) and they require huge amounts of power to operate. The engineering alone would make the project unlikely and the power requirements make it a non-starter. Also, while we are familiar with air traffic and weather radar systems here on the surface, these are vastly less powerful than what would be required by an NEO detection system. ATC radar can be much less powerful than required to paint every target because most aircraft have a transponder installed. The transponder in effect hears the radar pulse and transmits essentially a Here I am! message in response. Asteroids of course have no such transponder, so you have to paint the asteroid and then detect the reflected signal. Finally, most radar systems have narrow beams. This Field of View is tiny on the two dishes I mentioned. The optical community frequently gets requests for continuing observations of NEOs that will be observed with radar to make sure they point the telescope precisely enough that the asteroid is in their beam. Even a handful of arcseconds off (an arcsecond is 1/3600 of a degree) and they miss the asteroid entirely. Optical telescopes can have very wide fields of view and are relative cheap to build and operate making them the obvious choice, especially in this cash strapped era. Hope this helps -- Richard Kowalski Catalina Sky Survey Lunar and Planetary Laboratory University of Arizona http://www.lpl.arizona.edu/css/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar?
I've got an idea. (imagine that) ;) Since funding for space programs and missions seems to be so damned hard to get, and budget cuts usually effect the space program first. Perhaps someone should package this program/mission as a defense program. A private company seems to get a government defense contract much easier than a scientific study and research grant right? Technically this is a war of our world. We're a sitting duck in a solar system sized pond for those 140m and 1km sized objects. Anything larger than 140m can do serious damage, kill millions of people, cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, and damage the infrastructure of our nation to an extent it would cripple us on a national security and financial level such that's never been seen before in the history of humanity. After effects from an impact of even a 140m sized object say on Manhattan Island NY would wipe out all of downtown New York City, killing over 10 million people and destroying a world financial hub. Disease would run rampant, hospitals for hundreds of miles around would fill with the injured, and our first responder system would be overwhelmed. It was overwhelmed with 9/11. I couldn't imagine an asteroid strike. Not that an asteroid would slam New York, I'm just using that as an extreme example. The statistical chance of one hitting the Earth is very low, much less that it would impact New York. One could impact in the ocean. 75% chance of that happening right? Maybe that's why the gov isn't doing much on this? Statistics? But those statistics are only based on the ones we know about. It's the one you don't know about that gets you. The more I learn about asteroids, meteorites, and where they come from, the more I realize that there's more out there that we don't know, than we do know. It's sobering for sure. The more we search, the more we find. More eyes open looking up gives us a better chance of seeing one before it surprises us. It just boggles my mind hat the gov doesn't devote more time to this given that we are finding so many larger sized asteroids out there at an ever increasing rate. It hasn't slowed, it's increased, and as technology gets better, I'd hazard a guess that we'll find ever more. Little more than 100 years ago there was a little event in Russia that leveled thousands of square miles of forest in a remote area. Tunguska should have been a wake up call for everyone. But alas the human memory is nothing compared to the cosmic memory of the universe. 100 years is nothing in cosmic time, and we have no way to know whats out there unless we're looking up. Perhaps ignorance is bliss. Close your eyes everyone, it won't hurt much. I think people may underestimate the number of rocks out there with our name on it. Maybe I'm overestimating, but I don't think so. Sorry if this seems all doom and gloom, but the USA perhaps should fund this through both a scientific AND and defense related mission. Maybe involve the private sector since the space program is going that way anyway. Perhaps there's an industry there waiting to be born. Regards, Eric On 4/14/2011 1:04 AM, Richard A. Kowalski wrote: On 4/13/2011 11:41 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: How much is the Earth worth? ;) Eric Hey Eric. I know this was a bit of a rhetorical question, but I'll add a bit more to this discussion for those who may not be familiar with the topic. Unless I missed something, the United States is the only country funding NEO surveys at this time, so apparently the worth of the earth, as ascribed by the rest of the world is nothing, zip, nada. At least on this topic I think you're point is probably better formed by the question How much is our civilization or species worth? About one month ago we had a meeting here in Tucson consisting of representatives from all of the current major NEO surveys, professional follow up observatories, other associated parties and Lindley Johnson and Don Yeomans. Don may be familiar to some of you and he is the Manager of the NEO Program Office at JPL and Lindley is the Program Officer at NASA HQ. Lindley commented that as March 1st the estimated population of NEOs 1km in diameter and larger was estimated at 940 to 1050 objects. with a total of 6938 known NEOs of all sizes. At that time we had discovered 909 1km and larger NEOs, or approximately 87 - 97% of the population. Since we were tasked at finding 90% of all NEOs in this size range, we have effectively completed the original goal of the Spaceguard program, but he did stress that we aren't ready to make this claim just yet. To prove the point that we aren't quite finished, I picked up another 1km object on my very first run on a telescope after the meeting. As you know the 1km diameter was chosen because it is the size object that will end our civilization and anything much larger than that will make us go extinct. The next phase has not yet started
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar?
What about IR? What about funding a public or private RD company/group that might be able to modify existing, or create new technology for asteroid defense? A network of telescopes is a good start. We have that, and millions of amateur astronomers out there could look skyward too. How many millions could be generated by a privately funded asteroid hunting program? So radar is out for early warning? Low powered Doppler? Could space based radar be used for early Meteorite Fall prediction? Could radar used for locating smaller closer objects that might impact Earth? Regards, Eric On 4/14/2011 11:18 AM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi Eric, There is one crucial aspect of the radar problem that I don't think anyone here has yet explained which is the main reason it will never (and ~should~ never) be done. It's not about money or politics or priorities. It's about geometry. Anything that a radar can do in space, passive optical detectors can do FAR, FAR better. Asteroid detection with telescopes is an inverse square law problem; asteroid detection with radars is a range to the *4th* power problem. Thus radar is useless for early warning. Where radar is VERY useful is for pinging NEOs that have already been discovered (quite likely by the Catalina Sky Survey) in order to refine the knowledge of their exact orbits. We can only do this for NEOs that come quite close to earth (due to that pesky 1/range^4 factor), and thanks to their enormous size ground-based radars will always be far more sensitive and powerful than anything we could put up in orbit. --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:02 AM To: Richard A. Kowalski Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? I've got an idea. (imagine that) ;) Since funding for space programs and missions seems to be so damned hard to get, and budget cuts usually effect the space program first. Perhaps someone should package this program/mission as a defense program. A private company seems to get a government defense contract much easier than a scientific study and research grant right? Technically this is a war of our world. We're a sitting duck in a solar system sized pond for those 140m and 1km sized objects. Anything larger than 140m can do serious damage, kill millions of people, cause hundreds of billions of dollars in damage, and damage the infrastructure of our nation to an extent it would cripple us on a national security and financial level such that's never been seen before in the history of humanity. After effects from an impact of even a 140m sized object say on Manhattan Island NY would wipe out all of downtown New York City, killing over 10 million people and destroying a world financial hub. Disease would run rampant, hospitals for hundreds of miles around would fill with the injured, and our first responder system would be overwhelmed. It was overwhelmed with 9/11. I couldn't imagine an asteroid strike. Not that an asteroid would slam New York, I'm just using that as an extreme example. The statistical chance of one hitting the Earth is very low, much less that it would impact New York. One could impact in the ocean. 75% chance of that happening right? Maybe that's why the gov isn't doing much on this? Statistics? But those statistics are only based on the ones we know about. It's the one you don't know about that gets you. The more I learn about asteroids, meteorites, and where they come from, the more I realize that there's more out there that we don't know, than we do know. It's sobering for sure. The more we search, the more we find. More eyes open looking up gives us a better chance of seeing one before it surprises us. It just boggles my mind hat the gov doesn't devote more time to this given that we are finding so many larger sized asteroids out there at an ever increasing rate. It hasn't slowed, it's increased, and as technology gets better, I'd hazard a guess that we'll find ever more. Little more than 100 years ago there was a little event in Russia that leveled thousands of square miles of forest in a remote area. Tunguska should have been a wake up call for everyone. But alas the human memory is nothing compared to the cosmic memory of the universe. 100 years is nothing in cosmic time, and we have no way to know whats out there unless we're looking up. Perhaps ignorance is bliss. Close your eyes everyone, it won't hurt much. I think people may underestimate the number of rocks out there with our name on it. Maybe I'm overestimating, but I don't think so. Sorry if this seems all doom and gloom, but the USA perhaps should fund this through both a scientific AND and defense related mission. Maybe involve the private sector since the space program is going that way anyway. Perhaps there's an industry there waiting to be born
Re: [meteorite-list] Birth of Asteroids and Planets. (Was: The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? Really?)
Sterling, List, When does age actually begin? Regards, Eric On 4/14/2011 10:24 PM, Sterling K. Webb wrote: It's the usual reporter scramble that results when a scientist tries to explain something more complicated than Brittany Spears or Charlie Sheen to a reporter. Mifflin's an L chondrite. John Valley and Noriko Kita have done a lot of work on the fossil L chondrites of the Ordovician period, which fell at rates 100 times greater than today's fall rates, apparently after the breakup of the L chondrite parent body sometime shortly before 470 million years ago. They must have tried to explain all this to the reporter instead being smart and saying Yeah, it's a rock from outer space and it's really old, old as the solar system itself and just letting it go at that. Sorta like what you would say to a five-year-old. Always a good idea to talk to reporters like they were five-year-olds. Don't try to make them handle too much. So, all of that got mushed together into this: Scientists believe [it] was originally part of an asteroid fragment that separated 470 million years ago between Mars and Jupiter. (From the other local TV station.) Remember... Five-year-olds. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: Joe Kerchner skyrockmeteori...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 11:16 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The age of Mifflin. ?470 million years? Really? Hello all, It the 470 million year age for the Mifflin meteorite correct? if so, isn't that very young for a meteorite? I have been under the impression that the average age of a meteorite was 4.57 Billion years old I know that's an average, but isn't 470 million way too young? Theres no way that it is so young, is there? I read that in a couple articles online today. below is a link to one of them. http://www.wisn.com/r/27539805/detail.html?source=htv Best Wishes, Joe Kerchner http://illinoismeteorites.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? (Was: Cold Asteroids May Have A Soft Heart)
Richard, List, Since smaller meteoroids and asteroids are nearly undetectable in space, and we're currently searching optically with telescopes. Is it possible to detect meteoroids/asteroids with space based radar? Will radar even work in space? If so, what's the range, and how would it work? Do we have something like this? I know we have space based weather radar satellites, but what about pointing them into empty space to search for asteroids? Sorry if this is a dumb question... Just curious. Regards, Eric On 4/13/2011 10:00 PM, Richard A. Kowalski wrote: Small chunks of Vesta in earth crossing orbits, say 10 meters in diameter, the size that can drop tens of kilos on the earth's surface, are very difficult to detect. In fact something this size may only be detected a few days before impact, if at all. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011
I doubt they'll publish Anne's letter. It's too long for them. Their attention span is too short, and their lack of attention to detail won't allow it. I think the NYT has ADHD. Regards, Eric On 4/12/2011 10:22 AM, Richard Montgomery wrote: Darryl and List, Now I'm even more offended by the NYT. The audacity of the NYT to edit a letter-to-the-editor is the ultimate shame. What a crock of s**t. Darryl, however, what they did publish of your original letter was a great back-atcha and you shouldn't be embarrased. Congrats are in order for you. This of course, should make us all wonder what they'll do with Anne's letter. Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Meteorite-list List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 11, 2011 10:27 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Fwd: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5,2011 The Letter to the Editor referred to was, of course, edited. It was also written prior to the receipt of emails from Drs. Agee and Harvey in which they disavowed the use of their quotes. The New York Times is my local paper and the publication of this article has been terribly embarrassing. This was the the letter I hoped they would publish Begin forwarded message: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Date: April 5, 2011 11:39:18 AM EDT To: lett...@nytimes.com Cc: sciti...@nytimes.com Subject: Black-Market Trinkets From Space April 5, 2011 To The Editor: Your article “Black-Market Trinkets From Space” offers a highly misleading portrait of private meteorite hunters, characterizing them as “looters” whose endeavors have had a negative impact on scientific research. On the contrary, private collectors are not the bane of science, but are most often important contributors to new research. Consider that as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 distinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists in these regions before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. In fact, it has been argued there is no other scientific discipline where researchers have been aided as much by the private sector than in the study of meteorites. Darryl Pitt New York City __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter
A novel idea would be to publish what was ACTUALLY WRITTEN. Seems a simple fix to me. Since rebuttals are getting chopped up, sliced and diced, and edited until they no longer convey the originally intended message, or worse gets turned into a message which might reinforce NYT's own stance, perhaps the NYT should publish Unedited rebuttals. Thereby keeping the purity of the letters, and journalism. Simply limit the number of words to say 250 or 500, and set some basic ground rules. Be professional, no profanity, verifiable facts, etc. This would of course require extra time and effort and perhaps research and fact checking on the NYT's part though. ;) Regards, Eric On 4/12/2011 12:40 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi All, The main problem with the Times' editing of Darryl's submission is that they altered his factually correct letter into an inaccurate (or at best, misleading) one. The following sentences appeared in the Times' edited version: As a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 specimens from Mars and 43 specimens from the Moon have been discovered in the deserts since the mid-1990s. The number of such specimens recovered by scientists beforehand? Not one. Since the mid-1990s? Just four. Now compare this with what Darryl actually submitted: ... as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 istinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists IN THESE REGIONS [emphasis mine] before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. This significant error of omission invites researchers in-the-know to accuse Darryl of being uninformed, and by inference unfairly calling into question his credentials for opining on the subject. This is the problem with journalists uneducated in scientific disciplines -- they don't appreciate the nuances introduced by the seemingly harmless removal of a word here, or a short phrase there. The sciences are not like prose: every word is usually there for a reason. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter
All this negative talk about the negative talk Adam, doesn't help either. Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing. If we keep our mouths shut, the media tramples us with non-facts, and the uninformed public will believe it. We have a duty to the meteorite world to publish scientifically correct information and rebuttals and to keep it truthful and factual. Regards, Eric On 4/12/2011 12:57 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: I agree with what Rob said about changing the context even slightly. I think it best to avoid all forms of media these days, good or bad. Grave talk of land-owner swindles, smuggling, black markets, fraud and lawsuits we have been exposed to lately in the press has already done an untold amount of damage. It is unlikely that this avocation can survive much more of this. The damage is real, accumulates over time and can't be done overnight. Adam - Original Message From: Matson, Robert D.robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 12:40:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter Hi All, The main problem with the Times' editing of Darryl's submission is that they altered his factually correct letter into an inaccurate (or at best, misleading) one. The following sentences appeared in the Times' edited version: As a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 specimens from Mars and 43 specimens from the Moon have been discovered in the deserts since the mid-1990s. The number of such specimens recovered by scientists beforehand? Not one. Since the mid-1990s? Just four. Now compare this with what Darryl actually submitted: ... as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 istinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists IN THESE REGIONS [emphasis mine] before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. This significant error of omission invites researchers in-the-know to accuse Darryl of being uninformed, and by inference unfairly calling into question his credentials for opining on the subject. This is the problem with journalists uneducated in scientific disciplines -- they don't appreciate the nuances introduced by the seemingly harmless removal of a word here, or a short phrase there. The sciences are not like prose: every word is usually there for a reason. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter
Facebook is irrelevant to this issue and thread. If you're truly concerned about a thread on Facebook, why not ask me about it privately rather than trying to divert this thread to what you want to talk about Mike? That seem rather disingenuous to me. I'm sure others here too think the same way. If you want to talk about a thread you think I deleted, then please elaborate to me privately. Or if you insist on doing this publicly, please start a new thread and I'll be happy to go back and forth with you on it. Eric On 4/12/2011 1:07 PM, meteoriteguy.com wrote: Is that why you deleted the Facebook thread about Steve? So the fact could be discussed or hidden? Mike Sent from my iPhone On Apr 12, 2011, at 2:05 PM, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: All this negative talk about the negative talk Adam, doesn't help either. Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing. If we keep our mouths shut, the media tramples us with non-facts, and the uninformed public will believe it. We have a duty to the meteorite world to publish scientifically correct information and rebuttals and to keep it truthful and factual. Regards, Eric On 4/12/2011 12:57 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: I agree with what Rob said about changing the context even slightly. I think it best to avoid all forms of media these days, good or bad. Grave talk of land-owner swindles, smuggling, black markets, fraud and lawsuits we have been exposed to lately in the press has already done an untold amount of damage. It is unlikely that this avocation can survive much more of this. The damage is real, accumulates over time and can't be done overnight. Adam - Original Message From: Matson, Robert D.robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 12:40:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter Hi All, The main problem with the Times' editing of Darryl's submission is that they altered his factually correct letter into an inaccurate (or at best, misleading) one. The following sentences appeared in the Times' edited version: As a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 specimens from Mars and 43 specimens from the Moon have been discovered in the deserts since the mid-1990s. The number of such specimens recovered by scientists beforehand? Not one. Since the mid-1990s? Just four. Now compare this with what Darryl actually submitted: ... as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 istinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists IN THESE REGIONS [emphasis mine] before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. This significant error of omission invites researchers in-the-know to accuse Darryl of being uninformed, and by inference unfairly calling into question his credentials for opining on the subject. This is the problem with journalists uneducated in scientific disciplines -- they don't appreciate the nuances introduced by the seemingly harmless removal of a word here, or a short phrase there. The sciences are not like prose: every word is usually there for a reason. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2011
looks more like a zuccuni... ;) On 4/9/2011 8:32 PM, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_10_2011.html - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of the Day - April 10, 2011
that's supposed to say zucchini... ;( On 4/9/2011 8:58 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: looks more like a zuccuni... ;) On 4/9/2011 8:32 PM, Michael Johnson wrote: http://www.rocksfromspace.org/April_10_2011.html - __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT -Oil reserves, the reality
Go electric. Eric On 4/8/2011 1:30 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Before Art politely asks us to shut down this OT thread, I wanted to add a little something. I lived in southern Louisiana for 10 years. For those of you who have never been there, let me describe the area in one word - DIRTY. Don't get me wrong, I met some of the nicest people there. But the land, air, and water are filthy by any definition of the word. Why? Because the oil industry is everywhere in southern Louisiana. It is not being environmentalist or liberal to say that oil is a dirty industry. It is the truth that the oil companies go to great lengths to obfuscate. Anyone who has been near an oil refinery or drilling rig will tell you - it is dirty. It produces copious amounts of pollution even under the best of circumstances and regulations. Everywhere oil has a presence, it's footprint is big and dirty. I'm glad our governor had the sense to restrict on-shore drilling. I enjoy clean beaches, wildlife, and unspoiled natural areas. I want my grandson to grow up with these same beaches. The fact that some self-centered, short-sighted people think we should destroy our land in order to drive Humvees and use gas-powered leaf blowers to clean their driveways does not impress me in the least. If they love oil that much, let them go build a house next to an oil refinery and have their children grow up in an area soaked with carcinogens. I sweep my driveway with a broom and I rake my yard with a rake. When I used to work at Lowes, I'd see people pull up in their Humvees and purchase a yard-vacuum attachment for their riding mower - so they can have an aesthetically pleasing yard free of bothersome leaves with a minimum of work. It's laziness and entitlement - pure and simple. The attitude is - I worked hard for mine, so screw you, screw your kids and screw the planet. If I want to burn fossil fuels to clean my lawn, I am entitled to do so. If people would wise up, grow up, and act like adults, we could slash our oil consumption considerably. We burn oil and gasoline for the stupidest things - all because we have the freedom to do so. One of the first lessons every child should learn is - just because you can do something, doesn't mean you should. Many adults have never learned this lesson. I never want Florida to look like Louisiana. There is a reason nobody lines up to take vacations on Louisiana or Texas beaches. And there is a reason why Florida's beaches are famous around the world. That reason is very easy to see. Every time I hear somebody say drill, baby, drill!, I want to drill them in their face with my fist. I could but I don't - because I am not a child and I can control my urges - unlike many fools who burn gas like it grows on trees. Best regards and back to meteorites, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/8/11, David R. Vanndrv...@sas.upenn.edu wrote: AAAUGH! I was trying to stop, not start this thread. The Bakken formation: 1. Where do you people get this stuff? USGS estimates for the Bakken are around 3-4 billion barrels in oil SHALE, the stuff that can't be obtained economically yet. So it doesn't help today, or even tomorrow (next decade, yes, maybe). 2. Do the math! We consume 6.6 billion barrels per year - even using the imaginary number of 24 billion barrels, that is only 3-4 years - that does not free us from foreign oil (at least not in my lifetime - maybe you're planning to pop off in the next year or so). To take this farther, the Green River formation has *way* more potential than the Bakken formation, and it is estimated that it can only yield some 1 million bbls/day at maximum capacity, but we can't recover it economically yet; USGS estimates put it out to 20yrs or more before the technical and economic hurdles are overcome. Greg, you are correct in noting that it has been determined that we are better off importing cheap foreign oil and keeping ours in reserve. We aren't likely ever to be oil exporters on the scale of Saudi Arabia, however. Mike, I completely agree that petroleum should be used for plastic, not burned, but we don't have viable alternatives for transportation at this time. And the other Mike, yes, why don't we try to use less? That's a very good idea, and I, for one, believe that reducing our dependence on foreign oil is good for our national security, but we don't have enough of our own to do so (yet). Politicians are not preventing the oil companies from exploiting oil shales, simple economics is. Politics seldom gets in the way
Re: [meteorite-list] New photos added
GREAT PHOTOS SONNY! Eric On 4/7/2011 8:53 AM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi All, I have added a couple new photos to my web page. While I am out in the field I come across some great outdoor photo opportunities. Of course I would rather photograph new meteorite discoveries in situ! Sonny http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/NATURE_PHOTOS.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ANNOUNCEMENT: Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine Forum is LIVE!
Introducing the official MHC Magazine Forum: Join, Talk, Discuss, Debate, Learn, Laugh and Have FUN http://www.mhcmagazine.com/forum/ Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com Magazine Questions Email: contact[at]mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ANNOUNCEMENT: Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine Forum is LIVE!
Hey guys, I'm going to be publishing a story about the dark market topic in an upcoming issue of MHC Magazine. I'd like some feedback and as many opinions on this as possible. I will be conducting interviews as well. I've spoken with a few of you already, (thanks for your participation) but would like you guys who normally keep quiet to step up and tell your side. A lot of opinions have been shared and I'd like some back and forth from your differing points of view on the forum. I'll be using this to create the article and pair it with interviews, and facts and opinions from all sides of this hot topic. This is your chance to get your opinion heard and the facts straight regardless of what side you're on. Here's an outlet, use it! Regards, Eric On 4/7/2011 5:52 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Introducing the official MHC Magazine Forum: Join, Talk, Discuss, Debate, Learn, Laugh and Have FUN http://www.mhcmagazine.com/forum/ Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com Magazine Questions Email: contact[at]mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Where to see meteorites in New York city?
American Museum of Natural History http://www.amnh.org/ The Macovich Collection: Curated by Darryl Pitt http://www.macovich.com/ Those are two off the top of my head. Regards, Eric On 4/5/2011 2:39 PM, Michael Mulgrew wrote: List, I am a southern California native, born, bred and raised. I have been to the east coast once for a Washington, D.C. visit. I have the opportunity to spend the weekend in New York city in July and I would like some recommendations on where to see some fantastic meteorite displays. I think that there is one of the world's greatest at the Natural History Museum, but I do not know any details. I would appreciate any specific recommendations on where to go, i.e. name of institution and address if you have them, and any persons I may want to speak to while there. Thank you in advance. -Michael __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story
Very good catch on the Bob! I can't believe I missed that. How in the world did the editor let that quote slide without a source? I wonder if it was said at all. Regards, Eric On 4/5/2011 5:20 PM, Bob King wrote: Hi everyone, Besides the terrible reporting and obvious bias, I was curious about the meteorite blogger in the article who said he/she was feeling guilty. What?? We have no idea who this is or if that person exists. I find it amazing the editor let that go through. Bob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story
Mike, You said at the time... what was the date on that original post? And how many comments were made afterward in that forum thread? Got a link? Eric On 4/5/2011 5:34 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Bob and List, It's not a blogger or blog, as the article said. It's a message board. The person who uttered the quote is a real person. I've been a member of that astronomy message board for years before I discovered meteorites (via Bob!). As I stated in the original message board thread, the person had no reason to feel the way he does about Gebel Kamil. The person was a relative newcomer at the time, and like many newcomers, will often read something and take it as fact. This was when Gebel Kamil was still new and the situation was developing. The NYT writer can't even tell a message board post from a blog. We can't expect that same writer to know a crater from a pothole or a meteorite from a potato. The NYT has a history of not vetting it's articles, sources, or writers. It is tripe journalism. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/5/11, Bob Kingnightsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Besides the terrible reporting and obvious bias, I was curious about the meteorite blogger in the article who said he/she was feeling guilty. What?? We have no idea who this is or if that person exists. I find it amazing the editor let that go through. Bob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story
Thanks Bob for the link! Just so everyone on the Met-List knows, because some may not follow this thread or topic on other forums, I think Met-List members who won't click the link to view this very long thread/topic would be interested to know that the person who said that quote in the NYT article “I’m very ashamed,” the buyer wrote on a blog. “I’m surely a part of the problem.” also said this today! Begin Quote-- ...Hi I think the quote is from a post of mine. I still 100% behind the statement and in the case of Gebel Kamil I mostly agree with the article. No matter if a sample is bought second- or third handed, it still very wrong to do so unless it's legal, ethical and morally in order. I my opinion it is a disaster that profit hunters or collectors spoil such places like the Gebel Kamil crater. And yes there's huge problems - It is possible to buy say, Canadian samples, were the permits is not traceable to specific sample. Lars... End Quote-- He got one part absolutely right when he said I’m surely a part of the problem. Not trying to be mean, but this kind of ignorance is what hurts our hobby. It's worse even when it comes from within our community. I will refrain from commenting further on this as I might say something that might be construed as harsh. Regards, Eric On 4/5/2011 6:06 PM, Bob King wrote: Hi Eric and list, Here's the thread: http://tinyurl.com/3kbowog Bob On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Mike, You said at the time... what was the date on that original post? And how many comments were made afterward in that forum thread? Got a link? Eric On 4/5/2011 5:34 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Bob and List, It's not a blogger or blog, as the article said. It's a message board. The person who uttered the quote is a real person. I've been a member of that astronomy message board for years before I discovered meteorites (via Bob!). As I stated in the original message board thread, the person had no reason to feel the way he does about Gebel Kamil. The person was a relative newcomer at the time, and like many newcomers, will often read something and take it as fact. This was when Gebel Kamil was still new and the situation was developing. The NYT writer can't even tell a message board post from a blog. We can't expect that same writer to know a crater from a pothole or a meteorite from a potato. The NYT has a history of not vetting it's articles, sources, or writers. It is tripe journalism. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/5/11, Bob Kingnightsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, Besides the terrible reporting and obvious bias, I was curious about the meteorite blogger in the article who said he/she was feeling guilty. What?? We have no idea who this is or if that person exists. I find it amazing the editor let that go through. Bob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story
Hi list members... I'm looking for a copy of yesterday's NYT paper this article is in. A version of this article appeared in print on April 5, 2011, on page D1 of the New York edition. Please email me if you might have a copy of this NYT newspaper. Cash now via Paypal! Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story
Thanks Ed, I've read the article online, I just want a paper. For posterity. Eric On 4/5/2011 7:27 PM, Ed Deckert wrote: Eric, Instead of a paper copy, how about a link to the artucle? http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html?scp=1sq=meteoritesst=cse Ed - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2011 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] NYT story Hi list members... I'm looking for a copy of yesterday's NYT paper this article is in. A version of this article appeared in print on April 5, 2011, on page D1 of the New York edition. Please email me if you might have a copy of this NYT newspaper. Cash now via Paypal! Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space
This is one of the most sensationalized, biased, uninformed, and skewed article I've ever read on NYT's website regarding meteorites. Mainly the article focuses on the Gebel Kamil iron meteorite, however it paints a grim picture and tries to draw a connection to all meteorites implying that the private market is somehow damaging the science. Black Market Trinkets From Space: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html Quote: Popular or not, the meteorites were taboo. In Egypt and elsewhere, scientists say, it is illegal without a permit to remove meteorites from a country. Quote: The scientists say they have relatively few samples compared with the booming illicit sales. Quote: Dr. Harvey of Case Western Reserve said the quandary applied to the scientific community as a whole. The rampant looting of meteorite sites and skyrocketing prices for the fragments, he said, “dramatically reduce who can get samples to do the research. Quote: The black market has exploded in size mainly because of a rush of new meteorites arriving from North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. Quote: The collectors association, founded in 2004 in Nevada, now has hundreds of members around the globe. And while some traders deal in legitimate exports, many do not. One buyer expressed remorse after reading about scientific angst over the thriving market. “I’m very ashamed,” the buyer wrote on a blog. “I’m surely a part of the problem. This article is irresponsible and borderline yellow journalism from the NYT. They should be ashamed for running such a biased and uninformed story. Well over half of the article weighs on the disadvantages and more than infers a possible damage to science which is not there. It almost completely ignores the great good that's been accomplished through private collecting/hunting/curating or meteorites and the contributions that have been made by private collectors and hunters. It never mentions donations to institutions, how much of a sample is needed to study any meteorite, nor does it mention how many people it brings to the science. There is one very good quote from Anne which states: “The scientists do not have time to go hunt for their own meteorites, so somebody has to do it for them,” said Anne M. Black, president of the collectors association. “It’s common sense.” To the uninformed reader, and inexperienced meteorite collector the NYT article looks very bad and creates an artificially biased view from those not familiar with meteorites. It's purely political. I think it should be an article for MHC Magazine. To make it FAIR for everyone involved, I want ALL points of view, from all sides. From the scientific world, and the private market, as well as the points from the center. Anyone who would like the opportunity to tell the WHOLE story, who cares to write a rebuttal for the NYT's blatantly biased article, send me your info. I would be more than happy to publish it! Contact me with your comments, facts and opinions. This article will be both on the blog http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/ and in the next issue of the magazine! Regards, Eric Wichman MHC Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space
Hey Greg, Well, if the NYT article is not insulting enough to everyone in the meteorite world, the link Dirk posted earlier on his site from another blogger here: http://www.minyanville.com/dailyfeed/illegal-meteorite-trade-surges-angering/ Quote: The problem, of course, is that these treasures of science are winding up in the hands of collectors, and not actual scientists. H... A well informed blog post written by someone who read the NYT article and did an Ebay search. Damn good blogging there I tell you! Regards, Eric On 4/4/2011 2:02 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: Wow - Another example of a MediaWrong It's just too bad. I can't even imagine the 1000's of type specimens provided to institutions throughout the world by private meteorite hunters; not even to mention the specimens donated or sold to museums for display and study. Greg S. Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 12:30:53 -0700 From: e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space This is one of the most sensationalized, biased, uninformed, and skewed article I've ever read on NYT's website regarding meteorites. Mainly the article focuses on the Gebel Kamil iron meteorite, however it paints a grim picture and tries to draw a connection to all meteorites implying that the private market is somehow damaging the science. Black Market Trinkets From Space: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html Quote: Popular or not, the meteorites were taboo. In Egypt and elsewhere, scientists say, it is illegal without a permit to remove meteorites from a country. Quote: The scientists say they have relatively few samples compared with the booming illicit sales. Quote: Dr. Harvey of Case Western Reserve said the quandary applied to the scientific community as a whole. The rampant looting of meteorite sites and skyrocketing prices for the fragments, he said, “dramatically reduce who can get samples to do the research. Quote: The black market has exploded in size mainly because of a rush of new meteorites arriving from North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. Quote: The collectors association, founded in 2004 in Nevada, now has hundreds of members around the globe. And while some traders deal in legitimate exports, many do not. One buyer expressed remorse after reading about scientific angst over the thriving market. “I’m very ashamed,” the buyer wrote on a blog. “I’m surely a part of the problem. This article is irresponsible and borderline yellow journalism from the NYT. They should be ashamed for running such a biased and uninformed story. Well over half of the article weighs on the disadvantages and more than infers a possible damage to science which is not there. It almost completely ignores the great good that's been accomplished through private collecting/hunting/curating or meteorites and the contributions that have been made by private collectors and hunters. It never mentions donations to institutions, how much of a sample is needed to study any meteorite, nor does it mention how many people it brings to the science. There is one very good quote from Anne which states: “The scientists do not have time to go hunt for their own meteorites, so somebody has to do it for them,” said Anne M. Black, president of the collectors association. “It’s common sense.” To the uninformed reader, and inexperienced meteorite collector the NYT article looks very bad and creates an artificially biased view from those not familiar with meteorites. It's purely political. I think it should be an article for MHC Magazine. To make it FAIR for everyone involved, I want ALL points of view, from all sides. From the scientific world, and the private market, as well as the points from the center. Anyone who would like the opportunity to tell the WHOLE story, who cares to write a rebuttal for the NYT's blatantly biased article, send me your info. I would be more than happy to publish it! Contact me with your comments, facts and opinions. This article will be both on the blog http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/ and in the next issue of the magazine! Regards, Eric Wichman MHC Magazine http://www.mhcmagazine.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] tatahouine
Elton, I fail to see how Steve's personal life, or business is any of yours. Nor can I see where your borderline libel and inflammatory post has any place on this list. I'm not sure anyone here wishes to read it, and it's an obvious personal attack with legal implications. Just because you have something in your craw for Steve doesn't mean everyone here on list wants to read or hear about it. Your post is highly unprofessional and perhaps illegal unto itself. Please take personal and legal matters offlist! Regards, Eric On 4/2/2011 9:52 AM, MEM wrote: (NOTE: waste, fraud , and abuse of public funds is a matter of public interest) Steve, If you were to ask, I am sure some folks here on the list would rent you some meteorites-- Netflix-style-- you can swap out every 2 weeks and save all the hassle of buying high and selling low. However I need to ask: are you using your unemployment check again to buy meteorites? We both know the Illinois Department of Labor doesn't look kindly on using unemployment funds to purchase inventory for business-activity--and they consider buying and selling business-activity whether declared or not. In fact one isn't eligible for unemployment if they run their own business, and if it is an unlicensed business. That gets into the fraud arenaagain. One may not own/operate a business while drawing unemployment compensation--and...well you already know that don't you? You may not be earning wages but you aren't unemployed, if you are buying and selling. Some folks have the the IDOL Fraud Hotline on speed dial. The messages you post on the internet are evidence that you engage in buying and selling during times of unemployment. I don't know the penalty of a conviction on this but is it really worth the risk and given everything else you say is on your plate do you really want to take groceries money to spend $350-600 for something you will eventually sell for $70-80 out of desperation. Elton - Original Message From: steve arnoldstevenarnold60...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Fri, April 1, 2011 9:04:52 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] tatahouine Good morning list.Anyone have any tatahouine available?Say in the 10 to 20 gram range and could give me a good deal? Steve R.Arnold, Chicago! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom
Curious... I know there are many variables involved, and it probably varies with the conditions under which each event occurs, but I've read that some people have heard sonic booms (as low boom/rumbles) up to 50 miles away or more. Couldn't one figure out that distance by calculating altitude of any given bolide and air pressure/temp during the time of the event, (since it affects the sound waves at different elevations) to determine how far from the epicenter someone could here the sonic boom? I'm seriously curious about this. Regards, Eric On 3/29/2011 3:30 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: I'd be very interested to know if people beyond the heavy end of these falls heard the sonic boom? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Tue, 3/29/11, Bernd V. Paulibernd.pa...@paulinet.de wrote: From: Bernd V. Paulibernd.pa...@paulinet.de Subject: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Tuesday, March 29, 2011, 2:03 PM Hello Sonny, Steve, and List, Steve: with Park Forest there were sonic booms reported by many in the area Meteor blazes path to Park Forest (by Joseph Sjostrom and Nancy Ryan - Tribune staff reporters) - March 27, 2003, 1:20 PM CST: ... Garza said he was in bed when he heard his dog barking and what sounded like *thunder*. We all heard a *sound* about two minutes after. It was like a *sonic boom*. Best wishes from the happy owner of five gorgeous Park Forest meteorites, all of which were kindly given to me by Steve Witt and are, of course, still in my collection where they will stay for good! Steve, thank you once again for these beauties! Bernd __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fireball question / sonic boom
George jut brought up a good point and I have a question. The speed of sound is about 760 MPH. What is the speed at which a meteoroid extinguishes and is no longer incandescent? Regards, Eric On 3/29/2011 10:12 PM, geo...@aol.com wrote: The absence of one, however, probably shouldn't be taken as an indicator that they were not, since a meteor can still end (without complete ablation) high enough that no sonic boom will reach the ground. Wouldn't these(meteorites) that are high enuf that no sonic boom will reach the ground end up being rather small meteorites? This because a small meteorite will be slowed down rather quickly higher up. The larger meteorites having more momentum to carry it on down to the lower atmosphere will still have a velocity fast enuf to produce the big thunder like sonics? GeoZay __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MHC Magazine: UPDATE
Just another quick update and notice. Hope everyone is having a GREAT day. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/mhc-magazine-update/ Regards, Eric On 3/23/2011 5:42 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: All subscribers have already been notified. I do not have to post this to the list, but this update is simply a courtesy to those here on-list who'd like to know what's going on. I know this is on many minds. Thanks for your patience, comments, questions and support. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/mhc-magazine/ Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OK dinner
Freaking COOL! So any finds yet, or is everyone gonna keep that quiet? ;) Eric On 3/25/2011 11:35 AM, meteoriteguy.com wrote: Strewnfield is 7 miles from where I lived as a kid! What are the odds. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 1:19 PM, meteoriteguy.comm...@meteoriteguy.com wrote: No too busy picking up stones to eat dinner. Michael Farmer Sent from my iPhone On Mar 25, 2011, at 1:03 PM, meteorh...@aol.com wrote: Anyone want to meet up for dinner after sunset? Steve Arnold Of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MHC Magazine: UPDATE
Hey Rich, AWESOME! Thanks for the vote of confidence, and the show of support. It's much appreciated. Support from people like you make this magazine possible. Working hard on my end to make this work! Regards, Eric On 3/24/2011 2:16 PM, Rich Jolly wrote: Eric, I just reviewed the past issues and was thoroughly impressed with the quality - wonderful work! And, I voted with my wallet as well by subscribing (knowing full well the issues). Perhaps some other list members haven't subscribed yet and wish to add their vote! Hang in there! Cheers. Rich -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Meteorites USA Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:42 PM To: Meteorite-list Subject: [meteorite-list] MHC Magazine: UPDATE All subscribers have already been notified. I do not have to post this to the list, but this update is simply a courtesy to those here on-list who'd like to know what's going on. I know this is on many minds. Thanks for your patience, comments, questions and support. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/mhc-magazine/ Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Congrats to Regine Peterson on her first Meteoritefind!
Great job! Congrats You'll never be the same again... ;) Regards, Eric On 3/23/2011 11:13 AM, Regine Petersen wrote: Thanks to all of you and especially to Ruben and Twink who took me out there and guided me. It was very lovely that they invited me to hunt with them, and Ruben pointed me into the right direction, otherwise I probably wouldn't have found any. It was much fun! And it IS bloody gorgeous. Here are a couple more pictures. I like the first one, because you can barely see the meteorite, and it looks like I'm happy finding a GPS. https://picasaweb.google.com/regine.petersen/Holbrook22032011?authkey=Gv1sRgCKvLsMqK17OApQE# On my way back to Oracle I saw a small green fireball tumbling down in the night sky. It was ahead of me on Highway 77 at mile 109 and it was between 9.55 and 10 pm. It looked a bit like a firework that has gone wrong, as it just fell at a 20 degree angle to the east (from my point of view), and went dark. I could tell you more if I was able to locate myself on the map.. I was a lucky girl yesterday. Congrats to Jim also! Regine --- Mike Bandlifuzzf...@comcast.net schrieb am Mi, 23.3.2011: Von: Mike Bandlifuzzf...@comcast.net Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Congrats to Regine Peterson on her first Meteoritefind! An: 'Ruben Garcia'mrmeteor...@gmail.com, 'Meteorite List'meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Datum: Mittwoch, 23. März, 2011 18:33 Uhr Congrats Regine! Now you're hooked! -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Ruben Garcia Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 10:10 AM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Congrats to Regine Peterson on her first Meteoritefind! Hi all, I just wanted to say congratulations to list member Regine Peterson on finding her very first meteorite in Holbrook yesterday. Regine is in Arizona (from Germany) doing research for a meteorite related (picture) book she is working on. She has been all over the world researching meteorite falls and finds as well as craters and so as part of her education Twink Monrad and I took her on a meteorite hunt. The hunt was short (about 6 hours) but produced 12 meteorites - two were found by Regine! Her very first was a beautiful 3 gram crusted individual. Here are a few photos http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii35/meteoritemall/Regine%20Peterson-Firs t%20Meteorite%20Finds/ P.S. It was very cold.. -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] MHC Magazine: UPDATE
All subscribers have already been notified. I do not have to post this to the list, but this update is simply a courtesy to those here on-list who'd like to know what's going on. I know this is on many minds. Thanks for your patience, comments, questions and support. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/mhc-magazine/ Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MHC Magazine: UPDATE
Rick, Thank you very much for the very kind words of support. I've said it before and I can't express in words what that means to me. Yeah, I'm not so regular, but I'm genuine. I hope that counts for something. It's hard work, expensive, and the reward of seeing so many people enjoying something I created, and produced is gratifying and I don't mind indulging in that pride one little bit. I'll tell you the same thing I've told some of my friends. My contributors make this magazine, not me. All I do is put it together in a pretty little package with my own artistic spin for everyone to enjoy. If people enjoy that then that make me happy, proud and honored! Meteorites truly are my passion, as most people on this list. I just want to share that with the world. Hence my motivation for creating the magazine. Thank you! Everyone... Regards, Eric On 3/23/2011 5:55 PM, Richard Montgomery wrote: Eric, your passion and honesty come through loud and clear. I've always astounded by the high-quality production level you chose. At least for me, one of 450+ print subscribers, I'm proud to have the opportunity. It's sort of evolved the way meteorite falls do, just as with their non-regularity (personally I'm not really concerned that they don't show up on schedule...meteorites don't.) So...one perspective of manyI congratulate your passion and effort, and simply hope for the best. And also applaud your efforts. -Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2011 5:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] MHC Magazine: UPDATE All subscribers have already been notified. I do not have to post this to the list, but this update is simply a courtesy to those here on-list who'd like to know what's going on. I know this is on many minds. Thanks for your patience, comments, questions and support. http://www.mhcmagazine.com/blog/mhc-magazine/ Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] News video, link about arrest in oman
Good report... chilling description by Robert. Eric On 3/22/2011 3:40 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: http://www.kvoa.com/news/2-arizona-rock-stars-imprisoned-in-oman-tell-their-story/#comments They got our names mixed up, but other than that, a pretty good report, of course missing about 99% of what we said, but hey, better than nothing. Michael Farmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wickramasinghe Canned, Claims Ageism
I agree with regard to how science is done. It's not up to the majority in science . It's up to the evidence. Science is NOT a democracy nor a dictatorship. You don't vote what truth is, any more than you tell someone what it is. The minority view typically becomes the majority, and generally accepted over time when evidence is proved. Those with ulterior motives, false pride, huge egos, or are afraid of changing the status quo are as bad as corrupt politicians. When politics enters science the science suffers. The whole idea behind science is not to prove yourself right, but to find evidence that proves a hypothesis, regardless of who that hypothesis disagrees with. Peoples' egos are unimportant in the pure scientific process because emotion has no place in pure science. Regards, Eric On 3/20/2011 12:05 PM, Spaceguard wrote: On 20/03/2011 17:58, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: Looks like Cardiff has had enough of the screwey panspermia balderdash dished out by this guy. Summum Luna, Phil Whitmer - Screwy perhaps, but no one has yet to refute his hypothesis in a credible way. While I think that he might be a bit extreme on some subjects no one can deny that his work has been rigorously scrutinised, and, so far, stands up to that scrutiny. Apart from that, the Astrobiology Centre has conducted a lot of world class research, and has been published in many peer-reviewed publications. It has also sent the occasional ripple through the establishment - and that is how science is done. Jay Tate The Spaceguard Centre http://www.spaceguarduk.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Heeeeee's Ba-ack
but with with no basis in fact, your typical viewer will never know otherwise. Laziness and ignorance, on the part of both the media, and of those reading this drivel is a two fold problem. How does one fight the lazy brains? Regards, Eric On 3/20/2011 1:46 PM, Bob King wrote: I can and can't believe this piece. Absolutely no fact checking. I work at a newspaper, and if someone were to make a claim like that, we'd certainly get another opinion. It's just another cutesy story, I guess, but with with no basis in fact, your typical viewer will never know otherwise. Bob On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 12:52 PM, Count Deirocountde...@earthlink.net wrote: Scary...isn't it. These palpably ignorant talking heads are the same people that disseminate the news...like the nuke accident in Japanto an equally ignorant public. Count Deiro IMCA 3536 Be sure to click the video http://www.nbc11news.com/localnews/headlines/Man_Wants_Montrose_Recognized_as_the_Meteorite_Capitol_of_the_World_118308919.html Rob Wesel __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System
Let the data and knowledge speak for itself. Voyager I II Apollo Missions Space Shuttle Missions Hubble (without which many of these missions would not have been possible or even considered) Spitzer StarDust Dawn EPOXI WISE Spirit Opportunity Curiosity (coming soon to a planet near you) Messenger Hyabusa (not ours, but worth doing) Kepler (perhaps the most important) And many many more successful missions. What else do they want? Come on... The government dropped $700+ Billion on the banks and auto manufacturers... Why can't they spare $100 Billion for the advancement and preservation of the human species? What the advancement of the space program (which has a direct influence on the advancement and survival of the human species) has achieved both intrinsically, and scientifically is immeasurable in dollars. Knowledge is priceless. It's also the most precious and valuable thing in the universe, we should cherish it, where it came from, and how we gained it. More advanced technology, more businesses, more scientists, and more money has been pumped into the economy than can be accurately measured since the beginning of the space program. A student today, who watches the Moon landing on video for the first time may be motivated to study astronomy, or become an astronaut themselves. They may join the military, become a pilot, and perhaps fly a real space craft. Humans are curious. We want to know. It's in our nature, it's what makes us human. Would there be as many people interested in science if NASA had never so much as launched a rocket? Would there be as many astronomers and scientific discoveries if Hubble never existed? The Hubble Deep Field is a perfect example. 1,500 galaxies discovered. Then as if that weren't good enough, another photo was taken, this time deeper into the blackness of space. The Hubble Ultra Deep Field. One photograph 10,000 galaxies in a section of space equal to only 1/1270th of the total area of sky. If the whole sky was photographed and the same data holds true throughout, that's 127 Billion galaxies in the visible/observable universe. And that's not to say there's not more, considering that's at the limits of current technological possibility. If we could see further, would we see more galaxies? Yeah, I'd say that's a safe bet. The economical effects may not be measurable. What is the effects of the money that's injected back into the economy by those entrepreneurs that were inspired to start a new business or create a new technology based on what they learned through the space program? If we never had the space program would we have the technological advancement we have today? Would there be as many scientists advancing human knowledge at an ever growing exponential rate? Regards, Eric On 3/19/2011 12:47 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: A successful round-about mission around Mercury by NASA would 'hopefully' PROVE a few of our bucks is worth the 'Investment'!!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Richard Kowalski Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:26 AM To: Meteorite List ; Sterling K. Webb Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Human Presence in the Solar System Sterling A Golden Age INDEED! A number of years ago I was discussing a dear friend and mentor's career over another fine dinner and many bottles of fine wines. I lamented how exciting it must have been to be involved in Planetary Science through the 70s 80s and that I had missed it. He immediately responded that we were now in a much more exciting time and the future was more exciting still. I've come to appreciate his perspective and agree that we are in an incredible period of the exploration of our Solar System. Unfortunately one that could be in severe danger. As was reported recently, major missions are at risk of cuts and cancellation. I hope most of you on this list, regardless of your political stripe, believe that this exploration is important and should continue. The only way to make this happen is to make your opinions heard, and I don't mean on this list. Contact your Representative, Senator and the President. They are the ones putting this Golden Age at risk... -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at
[meteorite-list] The Sky Calls To Us
A Glorious Dawn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zSgiXGELjbc The sky calls to us. If we do not destroy ourselves, we will one day, venture to the stars. If you wish to make an apple pie, you must first invent the universe. The brain has it's own language for testing the structure and consistency of the world. How lucky we are to live in this time, the first moment in human history when we are, in fact, visiting other worlds. A still more glorious dawn awaits, not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise, a morning filled with 400 billion suns. The rising of the Milky Way. The surface from the Earth, is the shore of the cosmic ocean. Recently we've waded a little way out and the water seems inviting. The sky calls to us. – Carl Sagan The Wonder of Meteorites. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_5oknQjqQuw Enjoy... Regards, Eric P.S. Thanks go out to Darren Garrison for the original post to list (a long while back) introducing list members to the Symphony of Science video with Carl Sagan and Stephen Hawking titled A Glorious Dawn without which I may not have found these wonderful series of videos. And special thanks to Jeff Kuyken for creating The Wonder of Meteorites video. A beautiful compilation, and the best meteorite video I've ever had the pleasure of watching If you liked the Symphony of Science videos you can check it out on Youtube: http://www.youtube.com/user/melodysheep Latest Video: Bang Goes the Theory The more questions you answer, the more you find there is to investigate. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VblqcRvN7-Y That's the beauty of Science. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Lorton Meteorite
So basically, IF this Washington Post article is accurate in it's reporting, the landowners dropped the case after getting portrayed as the bad guys in the media by the Doctors who had a free lawyer, no legal fees, and they played the media game. I have to say the Doctors played the game well, it got turned into a PR war, and they won. So this case NEVER went anywhere legally? The actual issue of legal ownership is still not resolved. Regards, Eric On 3/18/2011 11:22 AM, JoshuaTreeMuseum wrote: The landlords got outlawyered: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/magazine/whatever-happened-to-the-lorton-meteorite-/2011/03/04/AB14tMq_story.html By Neely Tucker, Sunday, March 20, 11:42 AM When last we heard, Everybody's Favorite Meteorite was locked up in legal limbo. The oblong little rock from outer space lighted up the late afternoon sky across Washington on Jan. 18, 2010, and rocketed into a doctors' office in Lorton. Moving at a leisurely 200 mph, it crashed into examination room No. 2 in the Williamsburg Square Family Practice, even though it did not have an appointment. The startled (but unhurt) doctors, Marc Gallini and Frank Ciampi, donated it to the Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History, which houses the world's largest collection of meteorites. But then their landlords said not so fast: The 2-by-3-inch visitor from the asteroid belt was estimated to be worth at least $50,000 on the earth-bound meteorite market, in part because of its dramatic and well-documented entrance. Thousands of people saw its fireball descent (the museum has a photograph of the vapor trail), and radar sweeps documented its path across the region. The landlords demanded its return. Gallini said of their behavior: It isn't nice. Legal wrangling ensued. We are delighted, a year later, that there is a happy ending. The landlords eventually dropped their claims, the Smithsonian gave the doctors $10,000 for the Lorton meteorite (its formal name) in early February, and the physicians donated the check to the charity Doctors Without Borders last week. Linda Welzenbach, the meteorite collection manager at the Smithsonian, says it will soon be on public display, though no date has been set. We are very happy that it's staying at the Smithsonian, Gallini says. We felt that where it's belonged since the beginning. Deniz Mutlu, a member of the family that owns the building, said his only issue with events was that we got portrayed as the bad guys. All we wanted to do was donate it to a different institution (Phillips Exeter Academy, in New Hampshire), where my wife attended school, he said. The doctors wanted to litigate. They had pro bono counsel. We just let it go. The meteorite, which existed for about 4.5 billion years floating around between Mars and Jupiter, now spends its time in a little plastic box deep in the Mason-Clarke Meteorite Vault in the Smithsonian. It has thousands of other little asteroid friends, including three from Mars, to keep it company. Holding the Lorton meteorite with blue latex gloves, Welzenbach smiled. It's going to stay here where everyone can see it. CURIOUS? Tell us what past Washington Post story or person in the news you want us to update. E-mail tre...@washpost.com or call 202.334.4208. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Stars Gather in 'Downtown' Milky Way
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-088msource=spitzerecardtr=yauid=7974399 http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/spitzer/multimedia/pia13932.html http://www.spitzer.caltech.edu/images/2680-ssc2008-11a-Spitzer-Finds-Clarity-in-the-Inner-Milky-Way __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Great News to eBay sellers.
Richard I wrote an article about this thing... You'd be surprised at what this is going to do for/against sellers. Especially those large volume sellers that ship internationally or many very heavy items. Eric On 3/16/2011 5:14 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: --- On Wed, 3/16/11, fallingfus...@wi.rr.comfallingfus...@wi.rr.com wrote: Also, because we know buyers take into consideration the total cost of an item, also starting April 19, to encourage sellers to keep shipping costs low, the Final Value Fee will be applied to the total amount of the sale, INCLUDING SHIPPING. That's a non sequitur. The encouragement to keep shipping costs low is competition, not additional fees to the seller. It would be interesting to hear the two-step ebay needs to make to make these two things jive. My guess is smaller sellers get screwed and the larger sellers make special deals. Nothing new under the Sun. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Great News to eBay sellers.
I agree... Meteorite Dealers can go here! http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorites-for-sale/ I get 100,000 plus visitors to my site annually. List your meteorites for sale where people are looking for meteorites for sale. Regards, Eric On 3/16/2011 5:17 PM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Everyone has the choice not to use Ebay. Visit your favorite dealers' sites or email and work deals that way. Saves us ALL capital and is more fun. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Marcin Cimalamar...@meteoryt.net Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 01:15:11 To:fallingfus...@wi.rr.com;meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Reply-To: Marcin Cimalamar...@meteoryt.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Great News to eBay sellers. For those of you that sell on feeBay. Take alook at this great news to take affect on April 19th. This first paragraph seems too good to be true... but then look at the second paragraph - the final value fee will now be applied to shipping fees also! So basically, if you have to ship a large, heavy item.. eBay will charge you extra for it, even though shipping is done third party by the seller. What a load of Ryan Hmm Soon they will charge extra final value fees to all items that not sell as a punishment But this changes are not too bad. We will see how this will work -[ MARCIN CIMALA ]-[ I.M.C.A.#3667 ]- http://www.Meteoryty.pl marcin(at)meteoryty.pl http://www.PolandMET.com marcin(at)polandmet.com http://www.Gao-Guenie.com GSM: +48 (793) 567667 [ Member of Polish Meteoritical Society ] __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman prison saga
Hi Mike, Glad to have you guys back here safe and sound. I'm sorry you and Robert endured such torment. Hopefully this event will set some kind of positive precedent for the international meteorite world. It takes people like you and Robert to make it known to all what goes on behind the scenes. Your stay in hell was terrible, and not to be wished on any human being. Hopefully this event will pay great positive dividends for meteorites worldwide. And, even more important, the human rights violations that have occurred and continue to occur are being brought to light. Perhaps for a good reason at the right time. Welcome home Mike and Robert! Regards, Eric On 3/13/2011 8:36 PM, Michael Farmer wrote: 90% of the meteorite list is interested in the Oman meteorite saga that Robert Ward and Michael Farmer went through from our arrest in early January until our release ordered on March 7th 2011. This is my story, Robert can tell his, as it is a little different as we were separated, interrogated, and housed apart for more than half of the event. On December 31st we headed for Oman, my 20th meteorite hunting expedition there. I have studied the law there since the arrest of the Russian and American hunters back in 2005. There is no law against meteorite hunting in Oman, those who asked why we keep doing it, that is why. It is legal. After months of meeting with lawyers, looking at Oman law, I think we know what we are talking about. We had a very successful trip, I found 35 meteorites, 3 pieces of the Dhofar 1180 Lunar, more than 100 grams, and some other nice things. On the last day we headed out of the desert and towards Dubai. At 1 PM on 13 January we arrived at a police roadblock in Adam, nothing out of the norm, until they rushed my car with M16's and they had heavy belt-fed guns on their trucks. They forced us out of our cars and ripped them apart of course, finding the meteorites immediately. We were taken to the Adam police station and interrogated for 10 hours. The Wali (governor) of the area arrived and was very upset at our confinement, he kept apologizing to us and saying he did not understand why we were being arrested and kept calling Muscat to try and get us released, he was angry at tourists being detained in his district. He then informed that orders from much higher in the government came in that we were to be taken to Muscat and it was out of his hands. The roadblock was for us, they had intel that we were coming. I have intel on who did it.. We were driven to Muscat in shackles, arriving at midnight, taken to an interrogation center in Qurum. Stripped, put into separate rooms, and never saw each other again for the next 25 days except when the embassy came, our lawyers came, or we were taken to the hospital a couple of times. Qurum Criminal Investigation Division is little more than a torture chamber, we heard many times people being beaten, and dragged around. I was interrogated in a conference room after more than 72 hours without sleep. We were kept in small rooms, 9 x 9 x 12 ft, with small pad on the floor and two blankets, horribly filthy, crawling with roaches, and things on the floors and walls which I decline to try to describe. There were 4 rooms, Robert and I in two, and other people in the others, we could hear them crying or screaming sometimes. I tried to speak to Robert a couple of times just to see if he was there, and he would yell he was, then the police would come and threaten me not to speak again, this went on for 25 days and nights, 24 hours a day in that room, cold, a small light on 24/7 you never knew the time of day except when food would come. It was a nightmare that never seemed to end. I was close to losing it, never did, but my military training kicked in and helped with that. It was more than 48 hours since our arrest that I was interrogated, forced to sign a statement of guilt, then driven to a prosecutor's office at midnight on the 15th of Jan. No phone calls in that time, no chance to see lawyer or embassy despite endless pleas. I was charged with various crimes again with no chance to see lawyer beforehand. I begged the prosecutor for a call and he refused, then thankfully after he sent me out into a waiting room, another person handed me a cell phone quietly so I called my wife and in 20 seconds told her I was in jail in Muscat, and to call for help to the embassy,. It took a week for the embassy to find us. Oman violated many laws, they are required to provide lawyer before charges are filed, and contact embassy within 24 hours, neither done. After that, the endless days passed in hell, the toilet a hole in the ground and I will leave the rest to your imagination. We went to trial on 6 Feb, a 15 minute joke in Arabic with one question asked by the judge, who then sentenced us to 6 months in prison and a $250 fine for illegal mining operations. We were sent the next day to the Sumail
[meteorite-list] Far Side
Far Side Photo http://asunews.asu.edu/files/images/farside.1600.png Article http://asunews.asu.edu/20110311_farsidemoon Video: Orbit the Moon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JB41McR26nE Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 25 Cent - 24 Hours
Sorry for the double ad this week, but some things have come up and I need to generate some cash. There are 175+ meteorites listed as Buy-It-Now items, with more being added. ALL items have a Best Offer option on them. Make your Best Offers starting at .25/g on any meteorite. The highest offer above .25/g in 24 hours gets the item. Make your Best Offer now! http://stores.ebay.com/BitsOfEarthLLC?refid=store I'll be doing this sale until everything listed is sold, or it stops working. Yesterday's sale was a success, and many items received good offers so I wanted to post this to the list. Specimens will start disappearing quickly now that 24 hours have passed since the first email. Make your Best Offer now! http://stores.ebay.com/BitsOfEarthLLC?refid=store Happy Bidding! Order $100 or more and get FREE SHIPPING! (USA) Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome home
Welcome Home Mike and Robert. It's good to have you guys back! Regards, Eric On 3/9/2011 5:57 AM, Greg Hupe wrote: Mike Farmer and Robert Ward are back home!! They just landed on US soil yesterday afternoon after a two month stay on a not-so-luxury vacation abroad! :/ Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 8:52 AM To: Walter Branch Cc: meteorite list ; Matson,Robert D. Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome home I think it has something to do with a couple of blokes shipwrecked on a deserted island. On 3/9/11, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: What's this about? -Walter - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome home Hi Richard, Wow! That's great news, and more than a month earlier than originally expected (if I'm remember the April date correctly). Hopefully they are both in good health. Welcome home guys! Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:32 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Welcome home Glad to see Mike Robert are back home! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
You know... I've read some pretty F'd up things on list, but this one takes the F'ing cake Michael B. For crying out loud. Are you serious? I believe it's absolutely out of line considering the circumstance. I don't say much negative on list, and try to keep it down to a dull roar. But this time I can' help it... You've said some pretty hateful things Michael. This isn't even a bad joke... WTF? Regards, Eric On 3/9/2011 6:14 PM, Jim Strope wrote: Is this some kind of joke? BTWay, your post would have been easir to read if the punctuation and capitalization was presented properly. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ To Becky, Kirk, Carl 2, et al. No one (except Melody Rob's sweetie) is happier than I that Mike and Rob are safe and free. However, those of you who are calling for his return to the List have forgotten that Mike's self medication is highly unreliable And he is given not only to fits of frothing at the mouth blather and Attack, but also to obscenity, etc. NO, while I am very happy to see him safe and free and look Foreword to seeing him at the Tucson Show - where I can walk out Of his room if he is in the throws of negativity, there is NO WAY I would ever want to see him back on this list. I would love for someone - perhaps Jim Strope or the like to Send the list a web site address when Michael is ready to tell his Story and we can all go there and read about it. How quickly people forget (or perhaps you weren't on the list Then?) that Mike was taken off the list more than once, later allowed To return and eventually fell back into mad dog mode rantings and Attacks. By all means, do not take my word for it - go into the list archives And read some of those posts yourself (though Art may have deleted Some of the worst ones for obscenity and possible slander suits). Welcome back Mike! But not to the list, please. READ THE ARCHIVES. Perhaps if Mike were to get psychiatric help and establish a Stability on prescription medication - but don't hold your breath. He has publicly stated many times he goes to Mexico for Haldol And one more than one occasion stated he needed to adjust his Dosage. Mental illness is a serious disease and needs to be treated As such. Mike has many terrific characteristics which I enjoy And admire. He is generally generous, honest and I do not doubt He has a good heart - I pray he gets the help he needs. However, until then, I do not want to read endless hostile, ranting posts. READ THE ARCHIVES. Sincerely, Michael Blood __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
Michael, With all due respect, you're doing the same things you've bitterly accused Mike of and everyone here knows it. If you're truly concerned about Mike's wellbeing, perhaps you should take the vitriol OFFLIST and speak with him privately about it. Regards, Eric On 3/9/2011 7:36 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Jim, Gary, Eric and all, No, it is NOT a joke. There is nothing funny about This situation at all. I stated NOTHING in my post Mike has is not born Out in Mike's own public statements. (though Jim informs Me it may have been a different prescription drug he gets Out of Mexico) - hell folks, where have you been? READ THE STINKING ARCHIVES. If you all really cared about Mike's welfare you would Be trying to support him in getting professional help, get on prescribed medication and get stabilized. You are all having knee jerk reactions. Think about it. If Mike were your brother wouldn't you want to see him get proper treatment? Mike is home safe - thank God. While he was in danger I Did everything possible I could to minimize any negative impact On him. The list started yammering about it and I pointed out we Needed to remain silent lest we make matters worse for Mike and Rob. John Blennert gave the talk before the auction and we agreed It should not be telecast, as John went through a very similar situation in Oman a couple of years ago and Omani officials offered him $235,000 to get Mike back on Omani territory (so they could Incarcerate him). John TOLD Mike this upon his return and Mike Acted like John was blaming him for John's incarceration. This is ALSO NOT NEW INFORMATION - but somehow This group seems to think since Mike has been through a hard Time of late we should pretend he doesn't have a problem. Mike isn't going to listen to me because I am strait with him AND NO ONE ELSE seems to be willing to or they somehow just Don't see the self destructive behavior right in front of their face. If you all think everything Mike does does not add up to a Big problem for HIM, or, you just don't get it, or you just don't Think it is your place to confront him with his self destructive Behavior -- well, folks, I don't know what to tell you, but I can't Do that to a friend. (Yes, I am sure Mike does not consider me A friend right now - but as far as I am concerned, I am the only One who is really relating to him as a friend). Oh, ya, you can tell yourselves what I have said is not friendly. Well, what I think is not friendly is seeing a brother in trouble and Being unwilling to deal with him about it. I am dumbfounded at people's reactions - do you think that just Because he could have had his hands cut off or been in prison for Years or even put to death that that means we should all pretend He didn't put himself in that position AFTER it was clearly explained To him by John Blennert that Oman was OUT TO GET HIM? - Going to a KINGDOM you HAVE BEEN TOLD is out to get you - Self medicating with serious prescription drugs - Being a business man who regularly bursts into ranting and Raving at potential customers and co-businessmen These are all serious self destructive behaviors. So, Greg, Jim And Eric, if you really give a damn about Mike's welfare Don't just say, Hooray! You got back safe THIS TIME., help him get the help he needs. Sincerely, Michael On 3/9/11 6:28 PM, Met. Eric Wichman Escondidoe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: You know... I've read some pretty F'd up things on list, but this one takes the F'ing cake Michael B. For crying out loud. Are you serious? I believe it's absolutely out of line considering the circumstance. I don't say much negative on list, and try to keep it down to a dull roar. But this time I can' help it... You've said some pretty hateful things Michael. This isn't even a bad joke... WTF? Regards, Eric On 3/9/2011 6:14 PM, Jim Strope wrote: Is this some kind of joke? BTWay, your post would have been easir to read if the punctuation and capitalization was presented properly. Jim Strope 421 Fourth Street Glen Dale, WV 26038 http://www.catchafallingstar.com/ To Becky, Kirk, Carl 2, et al. No one (except Melody Rob's sweetie) is happier than I that Mike and Rob are safe and free. However, those of you who are calling for his return to the List have forgotten that Mike's self medication is highly unreliable And he is given not only to fits of frothing at the mouth blather and Attack, but also to obscenity, etc. NO, while I am very happy to see him safe and free and look Foreword to seeing him at the Tucson Show - where I can walk out Of his room if he is in the throws of negativity, there is NO WAY I would ever want to see him back on this list. I would love for someone - perhaps Jim Strope or the like to Send the list a web site address when
Re: [meteorite-list] Disclosure
I concur... Let Mike back on the list. This is THE BEST forum for this topic. Eric On 3/9/2011 8:16 PM, Matson, Robert D. wrote: Hi All, I'm all in favor of Art probationally allowing Mike to rejoin the MetList to tell his story. I honestly think nothing but good can come from allowing Mike and Robert to relate their experiences in Oman so that we can at least learn some anecdotal information about the legality of searching for meteorites in that country, and the potential consequences of doing so. There is no denying that John Blennert warned Mike of the unfavorable situation in Oman (of which John would certainly know). So I, for one, am quite curious to understand the reason why Mike ultimately decided it was worth risking continued travels there. In his defense, Mike has been to Oman countless times without incident, so I can see why he might poo-poo Blennert's warnings. And if the Omani government was so focused on detaining/encarcerating Mike, how is it that they failed to do so on the many visits that occurred subsequent to John's warning? Is the customs department that incompetent? It's not like Mike was travelling under an alias. Of course, most of this is water under the bridge since Mike and Robert ~were~ ultimately detained and jailed. But now that they are safely stateside, I would love to hear (read) their side of the story. What better place to read it than here? --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Earth Rocks! (Was: Help with Ebay bidding)
Hey Jason, you're forgetting something... ;) Time.4.56 billion years worth of it. The easily available rocks we don't collect didn't really originate here... All rocks on Earth, or more correctly, that *formed* Earth, were once meteoroids/asteroids at some point in the last 4.56+ billion years. The rocks from space we do collect are only interesting only because they've not yet been terrestrialized. Technically, there isn't a single grain of dust or sand on this planet that didn't originate in space if you go far enough back in time. Hell... Earth itself is one big rock in space. ;) Regards, Eric On 3/7/2011 9:24 PM, Jason Utas wrote: It means that for some irrational reason, we have all decided that it is a worthwhile endeavor to spend our hard-earned money on chunks of rock that happen to be a little different than the more easily available ones that have originated on earth. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: 99 Cent Auctions Ending Tonight
99 Cent Auctions Ending Tonight - Over 225 meteorites listed. Great deals to be had on lots of Buy-It-now items. http://stores.ebay.com/BitsOfEarthLLC?refid=store Bid High, Bid Often, Good Luck! For my Facebook Friends: Meteorite Half Cuts Slices Large Pieces: Facebook Photo Gallery Link: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2081956id=1219094173l=19dc3ec47e ORDER $100 or More VIA FACEBOOK Get FREE SHIPPING! - A large selection of half cuts and slices. Many rare types. Possible howardites, eucrites, carbonaceous, and some very nice L and LL type chondrites. A couple nice brecciated pieces too. More specimens being added throughout the week. I will not be listing these prices publicly. Please email me off-list for prices and photos of these specimens. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 3 more finds from dry lake
Perhaps the most interesting dry lake bed find I've seen yet. A racetrack meteorite. Now that is COOL! Congrats Paul! Regards, Eric On 3/6/2011 8:34 PM, Paul Gessler wrote: Here is 4 days hunting boiled down to 7 minutes of highlights including raw unrehearsed footage of 3 meteorites being discovered as it happened. enjoy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_o9151C6QcE and my favorite find so far: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmK5WMcshcI Cheers Paul Gessler __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's Hitting Earth?
Hi Robert, I got it... Looks like a great idea... ;) I just haven't had time to reply yet. Eric On 3/1/2011 7:55 PM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Mike, I actually made 2 posts with 2 different links to this story exactly 22 hours ago ( see the List archives). They DO show up in the List archives, and I got the email as a subscriber to the List. But I thought it was very strange that NOBODY replied or talked about it all day today. I thought it would generate a good discussion. So how about other members? Did it go thru or was something weird going on, and even though it shows up in the archives, it wasn't visible to the List members? Thanks, Robert Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2011, at 9:02 PM, Michael Gilmermeteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Robert, Ron and List, I never saw your previous post about this Robert. It was never delivered to me. I wonder if anyone else on the list saw it, or was it some kind of fluke? So, some of this camera network is online now? And more importantly, how is the data going to be shared? Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/1/11, meteoritefin...@yahoo.commeteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, Ron, like you, I thought this was newsworthy and I posted this to the List about 20 hrs ago. But no discussion here at all since then. Strange. Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2011, at 7:21 PM, Ron Baalkebaa...@zagami.jpl.nasa.gov wrote: http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2011/01mar_meteornetwork/ What's Hitting Earth? NASA Science News March 1, 2011: Every day about 100 tons of meteoroids -- fragments of dust and gravel and sometimes even big rocks - enter the Earth's atmosphere. Stand out under the stars for more than a half an hour on a clear night and you'll likely see a few of the meteors produced by the onslaught. But where does all this stuff come from? Surprisingly, the answer is not well known. Now NASA is deploying a network of smart cameras across the United States to answer the question, 'What's Hitting Earth?' Did that meteor you saw blazing through the sky last night come from the asteroid belt? Was it created in a comet's death throes? Or was it a piece of space junk meeting a fiery demise? When I get to work each morning and power up my computer, there's an email waiting with answers, says William Cooke, head of NASA's Meteoroid Environment Office. And I don't have to lift a finger, except to click my mouse button. Groups of smart cameras in the new meteor network triangulate the fireballs' paths, and special software^1 uses the data to compute their orbits and email Cooke his morning message. If someone calls me and asks 'What was that?' I'll be able to tell them. We'll have a record of every big meteoroid that enters the atmosphere over the certain parts of the U.S. Nothing will burn up in those skies without me knowing about it! In other U.S. meteor networks, someone has to manually look at all the cameras' data and calculate the orbits - a painstaking process. With our network, our computers do it for us - and fast, says Cooke. The network's first three cameras, each about the size of a gumball machine, are already up and running. Cooke's team will soon have 15 cameras deployed east of the Mississippi River, with plans to expand nationwide^2 . Cooke is actively seeking schools, science centers, and planetaria willing to host his cameras. Criteria are listed in the notes at the end of this story. In addition to tracking fireballs and their orbits, Cooke's system gives him other valuable information. It provides data on meteor speed as a function of size - and this is critical to calibrating the models we use in designing spacecraft. Meteorite hunters will reap benefits too. By determining a bright fireball's trajectory through the atmosphere, the network's software can calculate whether it will plunge to Earth and pinpoint the impact location fairly precisely. And when we collect the meteorite chunks, we'll know their source. I could be holding a piece of Vesta in my hand.^3 It would be like a free sample return mission! Opportunities like that, however, will be rare. Most meteorites fall in the ocean, lakes, forests, farmer's fields, or the Antarctic, says Rhiannon Blaauw, who assists Cooke. And the majority of those meteorites will never be found. But our system will help us track down more of them. All cameras in the network send their fireball information to Cooke and to a public website, fireballs.ndc.nasa.gov. Teachers can
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[meteorite-list] Kepler Data Theia
New Scientist: Two planets found sharing one orbit http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn20160-two-planets-found-sharing-one-orbit.html Popular Science: Two Planets Discovered Sharing the Same Orbit http://www.popsci.com/science/article/2011-02/two-planets-discovered-sharing-same-orbit Architecture and Dynamics of Kepler's Candidate Multiple Transiting Planet Systems http://arxiv.org/abs/1102.0543 Giant Impact Hypothesis: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giant_impact_hypothesis __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Todd Parker
CONGRATS TODD! Great find! Eric On 2/25/2011 8:46 PM, wahlpe...@aol.com wrote: Hi List, I would like to congratulate Todd Parker on his new Arizona chondrite discovery. I had the pleasure of hunting with Todd Parker and Larry Atkins recently in the Arizona desert. While Larry and I were sitting on a hill taking a water break with Brix, Larry's phone rang with a very excited Todd on the other end. We could see him down below us, so we quickly rushed over to see what he had found. We saw a beautiful chondrite in situ. Todd was recording his find and preparing to take a photograph when Brix ran up and gave the meteorite a sniff and a lick. Todd was the first one to see the meteorite and Brix was the first (and only) one to lick it! : ) It is a 30-40 gram chondrite with fusion crust and visible metal flakes on on the broken end. It looks like Lawrence may have another meteorite to classify from Arizona. Congratulations Todd! Link to pictures below. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 91, Issue 59
1 centimeter Eric On 2/26/2011 10:50 AM, m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I was told they respresent directions. So if you show the N, rotate the piece 180 you would then show the S, and so forth. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Kevin Coleco...@gvsu.edu Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 13:26:02 To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite-list Digest, Vol 91, Issue 59 OK, this probble a stubid question but what are the dimensions of the little cubes that have an N on them for scale? The only thing that I can think of is Nanometer but that is way to small for cheers, kcc meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com 2/26/2011 12:00 PM Send Meteorite-list mailing list submissions to meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to meteorite-list-requ...@meteoritecentral.com You can reach the person managing the list at meteorite-list-ow...@meteoritecentral.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Meteorite-list digest... Today's Topics: 1. AD: Selling many collection pieces/auctions (Mike Bandli) 2. Re: Congratulations Todd Parker (Sean T. Murray) -- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 08:52:20 -0800 From: Mike Bandlifuzzf...@comcast.net Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Selling many collection pieces/auctions To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID:AEC0BDD916094BBCA4BB7F9B08E196E9@Bandli1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Dear List, As I continue to restructure my collection in favor of old falls, I am making many nice collection pieces available. There are pieces from Nininger, Dupont, rare falls and finds, and some scarce irons. Some have painted numbers and old labels. If you would like a list of material available please reply privately, off-list. I'm working on it now and should have it ready soon. Part 2: The biweekly plug for eBay auctions: http://shop.ebay.com/historic-meteorites/m.html A mix of everything - Historic, martian, falls, rare finds, many pieces sitting at 99 cents. There's also a nice pair of Monnig Kaffir's with sequential numbers! The starting bid on those was my cost from the Cureton Collection many years ago. Thanks and have a great weekend! --- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com and?join us on Facebook: www.facebook.com/Meteorites1 IMCA?#5765 --- -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 26 Feb 2011 11:54:41 -0500 From: Sean T. Murrays...@bellsouth.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Todd Parker To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Message-ID:1D5E0640F31D411A9443DDBE1629EA13@PlatinumII Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=response Congrats Todd! Another great find! Sean -Original Message- From:wahlpe...@aol.com To:meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 8:46 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Congratulations Todd Parker Hi List, I would like to congratulate Todd Parker on his new Arizona chondrite discovery. I had the pleasure of hunting with Todd Parker and Larry Atkins recently in the Arizona desert. While Larry and I were sitting on a hill taking a water break with Brix, Larry's phone rang with a very excited Todd on the other end. We could see him down below us, so we quickly rushed over to see what he had found. We saw a beautiful chondrite in situ. Todd was recording his find and preparing to take a photograph when Brix ran up and gave the meteorite a sniff and a lick. Todd was the first one to see the meteorite and Brix was the first (and only) one to lick it! : ) It is a 30-40 gram chondrite with fusion crust and visible metal flakes on on the broken end. It looks like Lawrence may have another meteorite to classify from Arizona. Congratulations Todd! Link to pictures below. http://www.nevadameteorites.com/nevadameteorites/ORDINARY_CHONDRITES.html Sonny __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list --
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction
I have to say, John, you have a point. Share the info publicly. Sure there will be those who don't understand the difference between wholesale and retail, and may want to buy at wholesale what is supposed to be retail. But if they think they'll get wholesale pricing on a single item purchase they need a fact checking lesson anyway. I say to hell with convention and release the info publicly! It was already broadcast LIVE anyway! lol Eric On 2/23/2011 7:38 PM, John.L.Cabassi wrote: G'Day Michael, List and All I'm a little perplexed over this statement. You've got to remember that this was a live auction, many people viewed it, there were a lot of comments made. But why are we trying to hide something here? Aren't we trying to be honest? Not even with the buyers, but with the public that view this list? We're just adding to meteorite buyers / collectors being corrupt. We don't need to hide anything and we don't need to give those that frequent these pages fire power to say that we're not legit. I'm sorry, I disagree with this whole thing. Make it be known, make it be public. That's the only way we're going to move forward from being negative. That's just my thoughts and not anyone else's. But I'm a little concerned about the non-transparency. Bear with me, I'm not out to condone anybody, but give it some thought. Cheers John IMCA # 2125 -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Blood Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 7:00 PM To: Richard Montgomery; Met. Darryl Pitt Cc: Meteorite List Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson Auction 1) I responded to Darryl off list. 2) OK, if anyone wants the results, email me OFF LIST. Michael On 2/23/11 6:35 PM, Richard Montgomeryrickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Darryl makes a monumental point. While, as someone who couldn't attend the auction, I originally asked the List if there was any way to know the final-sales-prices of the auction, hoping I could find them somewhereNow I suggest that Michael, Capt. Blood, makes them available only off-list by request to avoid publication in a rogue journal or hyped newspaper/journal adventure bent on achieving TV ratingssomehow for those of us who still don't know (I listened to the whole Ruben-feed but didn't take notes). I know that there will be a bunch of posts about this (no pun intended to our most respected meteoriticist, TB )... Kevin K, what do you think? Respect intended, Richard Montgomery - Original Message - From: Darryl Pittdar...@dof3.com To: Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net Cc: Meteorite Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2011 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ad Michael, Please do consider not publicly posting the auction results---or if you are intent to do so, I urge you to consider making it absolutely clear the auction occurs at a wholesale marketplace and the prices attained reflect the same. The last thing needed is more confusion for the growing legion of new buyers who are exasperated in their efforts to navigate the murky waters of meteorite valuation. Thank you for your consideration. All the best / Darryl On Feb 23, 2011, at 7:24 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Finally got everything off - looks like I will survive.barely. Soon to come: Auction results/prices Here are some goodies: HAPPY HUNTING! Michael All specimens may be seen at: http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html BRENHAM extremely thin sealed in oil in thick plastic. This should never rust. Increadable surface area to Weight. 18.3g huge = $275 SALE = $175- DEPORT, Tx. This specimen is the 11th specimen collected In the Monig Collection ³1K² (1A sold for $6.5K in the auction ($25/g) This 41.37g specimen cost me a considerable amount and is available for $600- CAMPO 7.9Kg (This was by far the best specimen in this weight range I saw at the show) and stands nicely on One side and also stands upright = $600- Sale= $500- NWA2737 (Chassignite) Extremely rare 3 sizes: #1 = $35= #2 or #3 = $45, #4 = $60 http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html MILLBILLILLIE thin with exceptional surface area #1 = $35 #2 = $40 #3 = $50 ODESSA Small specimens a little larger than golf balls. These I have not seen in years and only from the person I got them From and I got all he had. (Photo shows both sides of each) 73.5g = $150- 109.6g = $220- 112,5g = $225- 123.1g = $245- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html STANNERN (Eucrite) May 22,1808 Czeck Rep. #1 = SOLD #2 = $50- #3 = $55- LIBYAN DESERT GLASS Huge speciem 752.3g = $1,500- SALE = $850- http://michaelbloodmeteorites.com/Sale.html CHANGXING
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Over 135+ 99 Cent meteorite auctions 25% off select Buy-It-Now items ending all weekend. http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html Two HEDs Are Better Than One! 2 Nice fusion crusted HED type stones. The larger stone with very nice fresh super black and thumbprinted exterior. (Email offlist for pricing and photos.) UNWA Meteorites: 3192g lot of Hand Picked meteorites - .25/g (first come first served) 6.1 Kilo Larger chondrite meteorite (thumbprinted stone) - $1585 obo Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cometary Beauty
Astronomy Picture of the Day: Comet Tempel 1 from Stardust-NeXT Spacecraft No comet has ever been visited twice before. Therefore, the unprecedented pass of the Stardust-NeXT spacecraft near Comet Tempel 1 earlier this week gave humanity a unique opportunity to see how the nucleus of a comet changes over time. Changes in the nucleus of Comet Tempel 1 were of particular interest because the comet was hit with an impactor from the passing Deep Impact spacecraft in 2005. Pictured above is one digitally sharpened image of Comet Tempel 1 near the closest approach of Stardust-NeXT. Visible are many features imaged in 2005, including craters, ridges, and seemingly smoother areas. Few firm conclusions are yet available, but over the next few years astronomers who specialize in comets and the understanding the early Solar System will be poring over these images looking for new clues as to how Comet Tempel 1 is composed, how the 2005 impact site now appears, and how general features of the comet have evolved. http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap110216.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What Happend Two Years Ago TODAY
West, TX Fireball = Ash Creek Meteorite! Regards, Eric On 2/15/2011 1:08 PM, Thunder Stone wrote: List: Does anyone remember what happened two years ago today? Just amazing how fast time goes by. Sorry I have no givaways. Greg S. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I Love Comets
Flyby Time. Happy Valentine NExT http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-050cid=release_2011-050msource=11050tr=yauid=7771872 --- NASA Spacecraft Hours From Comet Encounter February 14, 2011 Stardust-Next Mission Status PASADENA, Calif. -- As of today, Feb. 14, at 9:21 a.m. PST (12:21 p.m. EST), NASA's Stardust-NExT mission spacecraft is within a quarter-million miles (402,336 kilometers) of its quarry, comet Tempel 1, which it will fly by tonight. The spacecraft is cutting the distance with the comet at a rate of about 10.9 kilometers per second (6.77 miles per second or 24,000 mph). The flyby of Tempel 1 will give scientists an opportunity to look for changes on the comet's surface since it was visited by NASA's Deep Impact spacecraft in July 2005. Since then, Tempel 1 has completed one orbit of the sun, and scientists are looking forward to discovering any differences in the comet. The closest approach is expected tonight at approximately 8:40 p.m. PST (11:40 p.m. EST). During the encounter phase, the spacecraft will carry out many important milestones in short order and automatically, as the spacecraft is too far away to receive timely updates from Earth. These milestones include turning the spacecraft to point its protective shields between it and the anticipated direction from which cometary particles would approach. Another milestone will occur at about four minutes to closest approach, when the spacecraft will begin science imaging of the comet's nucleus. The nominal imaging sequence will run for about eight minutes. The spacecraft's onboard memory is limited to 72 high-resolution images, so the imaging will be most closely spaced around the time of closest approach for best-resolution coverage of Tempel 1's nucleus. At the time of closest encounter, the spacecraft is expected to be approximately 200 kilometers (124 miles) from the comet's nucleus. The mission team expects to begin receiving images on the ground starting at around midnight PST (3 a.m. on Feb. 15 EST). Transmission of each image will take about 15 minutes. It will take about 10 hours to complete the transmission of all images and science data aboard the spacecraft. Live coverage on NASA TV and via the Internet begins at 8:30 p.m. PST (11:30 p.m. EST) from mission control at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. Coverage also will include segments from the Lockheed Martin Space System's mission support area in Denver. A post-flyby news conference is planned on Feb. 15 at 10 a.m. PST (1 p.m. EST). For NASA TV streaming video, scheduling and downlink information, visit: http://www.nasa.gov/ntv . The live coverage and news conference will also be carried on one of JPL's Ustream channels. During events, viewers can take part in a real-time chat and submit questions to the Stardust-NExT team at: http://www.ustream.tv/user/NASAJPL2 . During its 12 years in space, Stardust became the first spacecraft to collect samples of a comet (Wild 2 in 2004), which were delivered to Earth in 2006 for study. The Stardust-NExT mission is managed by JPL for NASA's Science Mission Directorate in Washington. Lockheed Martin Space Systems in Denver built the spacecraft and manages day-to-day mission operations. A press kit and other detailed information about Stardust-NExT is online at: http://stardustnext.jpl.nasa.gov . - Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Meteorite Spotted Over Philly
That, and being visible during daylight hours means it's a HUGE event. Eric On 2/14/2011 12:10 PM, actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: If I remember correctly isn't 12:45 PM during the day time?? Just a few hours ago. Mike Hankeymike.han...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sending this out Phil. There have been over 20 reports to the AMS in the last hour about this. That is a lot of reports in a short amount of time for a night time fireball, so it must have been pretty significant. I ran a quick plot on the AMS reports and it doesn't look good: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/daytime-fireball-makes-waves-in-philly-2011-02-14/ On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:58 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: http://www.myfoxphilly.com/dpp/news/local_news/021411-possible-meteorite-spotted-over-philadelphia Possible Meteorite Spotted Over Philly Fox 29 has received several reports of an object that resembled a meteor that has spotted in the sky near the Philadelphia Navy Yard facility. The incident happened before 12:45 p.m. ET, according to witnesses who called Fox 29. There are also reports on Twitter and Facebook about the incident. Fox 29 TV reporter Chris O'Connell also saw the object, which he described as majestic and beautiful, at about 12:35 p.m. as he was driving on I-95 near the airport. A Fox 29 viewer spotted the object at 12:36 p.m. in Delaware. There also have been several reports of similar occurrences today in Connecticut and New York. Meteorites are naturally occurring objects that originate in space and survive a fall through Earth's atmosphere. Most are remnants of asteroids or possibly comets. The Navy Yard facility is on the Delaware River, which is also used as a flight path to Philadelphia International Airport. The American Meteor Society track meteorite spottings but has not yet posted anything today in its Web site. If you saw the object, we could like you to contact our Newsdesk at fox29.newsd...@foxtv.com. -- Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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99 Cent Auctions Buy-It-Now deals http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html A few hundred grams of achondrites (unclassified) available. CHERRY STONES - Small to medium sized gorgeous hand picked thumbprinted and/or crusted unwa meteorite specimens for .50/g-$1.10/g 3607g NWA 869 Stone 6.1 Kilo - Large Crusted/Thumbprinted UNWA Stone Meteorite Email offlist for photos and prices. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] I Heart Comets Campaign
Show some LOVE for comets: http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/heartcomets/?cid=email_comet Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroids
A new perspective on the old... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kSqYk6yD75I And this one... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gEDD-86BD-0 Density Of Asteroids in the Orbital Plane of the Solar System (very cool visualization) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJpPjsdlTnw So how important is planetary defense anyway? Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Stuff! Back to Tucson Sale!
Let's get this moving... Heading to Tucson! Show's ending in a few days. Bulk Discounts on the 13 kilos of good quality UNWA Below... 13 - 1 Kilo LOTS UNWA Meteorites from $150-$199/kg http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2079008id=1219094173l=5ca0c59adf 1 Kilo = $150-$199/kg 2+ Kilos Get 10% Off 3 Kilos Get 15% Off 5 Kilos Get 20% Off 7 Kilos Get 25% Off 10+ kilos Get 30% Off TAKE ALL 13 Kilos = $1200 Shipped (USA) Also Available: 7.6kg Lot of UNWA Meteorites - CHEAP! - .05/g or Take All for $325 Shipped in the USA http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325807l=6794e15869id=1219094173 Email or call 760-522-2152 to order... Regards, Eric On 2/7/2011 7:43 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: 14.4g Meteorite - Huge Chondrule? - You just have to see this one: Comments on this piece welcome. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325808l=34fa59a79aid=1219094173 STILL ADDING SPECIMENS: Email me for photos because I'm still photographing some more rare types o be listed later tonight. I'm heading back out to Tucson for a 3rd time this week. To do that I'm raising funds... Taking BEST private offers on bulk purchases. Larger orders get priority picks, and lower pricing! Cash deals welcome. Orders over $1000 MUST be by Bank transfer (No Paypal due to fees) --- ORDER $100 or more get FREE Shipping in the USA Email or call 760-522-2152 to order. 13 - 1 Kilo LOTS UNWA Meteorites from $150-$199/kg http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2079008id=1219094173l=5ca0c59adf --- Very high iron meteorite: A nice pair of half cuts, of a spectacular iron rich BLACK stone meteorite. Taking reasonable/serious offers. Interior (Left: 56.8g) (Right 48.8g) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078485id=1219094173l=62e307c236 --- TAKING OFFERS: 451.2g Thumbprinted Beauty (Very Low Iron) Superb meteorite specimen. 916g BLACK Chondrite. Light colored exterior. Interior matrix is actually BLACK after polishing. It's full of large bits of free iron. Large inclusions, and iron veining. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078092id=1219094173l=40820dcc8e --- CHERRY STONES: Hand Picked Fusion Crusted Thumbprinted Individuals (still some available) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078096id=1219094173l=82c45cd73a Price for Individuals = $1.10/g 250-499 grams = .74/g 500-999 grams = .64/g 1000+ grams (kilo) = .55/g --- 7.6kg Lot of UNWA Meteorites - CHEAP! - .05/g http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325807l=6794e15869id=1219094173 --- Ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html --- Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Men Renewed
Congrats Steve and Geoff on Season 3 of Meteorite men! Regards, Eric On 2/8/2011 8:53 PM, Pete Pete wrote: Great exposure for our passion! Today 4.3 million viewers, tomorrow ze vorld! http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031777?categoryid=14cs=1cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews http://www.variety.com/article/VR1118031777?categoryid=14cs=1cmpid=RSS%7CNews%7CLatestNews Science Channel renews 'Meteorite Men' Series to return for third season By Stuart Miller 'Big Love' says goodbye Exclusive: Science Channel has ordered a third season of Meteorite Men. Produced by the LMNO Cable Group, skein follows co-hosts Geoff Notkin and Steve Arnold as the search for outer space objects -- some more than 40 million years old -- that have landed on Earth. Eric Schotz is exec producer. Discovery-owned Science Channel is faring well with An Idiot Abroad, its new skein with Ricky Gervais, Stephen Merchant and Karl Pilkington. Through two episodes, Idiot -- where Pilkington offers his off-kilter take on the Seven Wonders of the World -- is the net's most-watched series ever in the 25-54 demo and highest rated in 18-49. Since its Jan. 22 premiere, 4.3 million viewers have tuned in. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Stuff! Back to Tucson Sale!
14.4g Meteorite - Huge Chondrule? - You just have to see this one: Comments on this piece welcome. http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325808l=34fa59a79aid=1219094173 STILL ADDING SPECIMENS: Email me for photos because I'm still photographing some more rare types o be listed later tonight. I'm heading back out to Tucson for a 3rd time this week. To do that I'm raising funds... Taking BEST private offers on bulk purchases. Larger orders get priority picks, and lower pricing! Cash deals welcome. Orders over $1000 MUST be by Bank transfer (No Paypal due to fees) --- ORDER $100 or more get FREE Shipping in the USA Email or call 760-522-2152 to order. 13 - 1 Kilo LOTS UNWA Meteorites from $150-$199/kg http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2079008id=1219094173l=5ca0c59adf --- Very high iron meteorite: A nice pair of half cuts, of a spectacular iron rich BLACK stone meteorite. Taking reasonable/serious offers. Interior (Left: 56.8g) (Right 48.8g) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078485id=1219094173l=62e307c236 --- TAKING OFFERS: 451.2g Thumbprinted Beauty (Very Low Iron) Superb meteorite specimen. 916g BLACK Chondrite. Light colored exterior. Interior matrix is actually BLACK after polishing. It's full of large bits of free iron. Large inclusions, and iron veining. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078092id=1219094173l=40820dcc8e --- CHERRY STONES: Hand Picked Fusion Crusted Thumbprinted Individuals (still some available) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078096id=1219094173l=82c45cd73a Price for Individuals = $1.10/g 250-499 grams = .74/g 500-999 grams = .64/g 1000+ grams (kilo) = .55/g --- 7.6kg Lot of UNWA Meteorites - CHEAP! - .05/g http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=31325807l=6794e15869id=1219094173 --- Ebay: http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html --- Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The recent Ebay Apollo Moon Rock
That was fast... Eric On 2/7/2011 9:14 PM, Steve Schoner wrote: I sent an e-mail to the NASA Johnson Space Center regarding the supposed authentic Apollo moon rock that is not a meteorite with the link to that Ebay auction. Here is the first reply that I got: Dear Steve Schoner: Your query was forwarded to me. The rock for sale on eBay is/was not a real Moon rock. Sincerely, Jennifer Ross-Nazzal, Ph.D. Historian, NASA Johnson Space Center ITAMS Contract 17047 El Camino Real, Suite 217 Houston, TX 77058 281-486-3942 jennifer.m.ross-naz...@nasa.gov http://www.jsc.nasa.gov/history/history_office.htm I might get a few more responses as I sent a couple of e-mails out to other NASA departments that handle Apollo moon rocks. Steve Schoner $65/Hr Job - 25 Openings Part-Time job ($20-$65/hr). Requirements: Home Internet Access http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3341/4d50d1acaebe7245a79st02duc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Is there an actual Federal, State, or Local, statute that dictates that it's illegal to own a lunar sample? Eric On 2/3/2011 3:40 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Robert and List, I saw that listing last night. I'm not 100% certain, but I think it is illegal to sell such a specimen. And I think it might be illegal just to own it. And even if it's legal, there's no way to tell if it's real, based on the photos and description. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 2/3/11, Matson, Robert D.robert.d.mat...@saic.com wrote: Probably impossible to tell from the pictures, but what are the odds that this is truly Apollo material? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150557455015 --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Sponsored met adds in google search
Melanie, You're talking about Google Adwords. It's the advertising program that shows vendor ads (sponsored ads) in the right had column when you do a Google search. It's based on keywords, and/or keyword phrases, and what any vendor bids on those keywords. Some dealers may or may not be running their ads during the show, or may have cut back on their daily budget. MikeG is right, it could be economic. I think it's a combination... Vendors bid on keywords and Pays Per Click every time a user clicks the ad. It's rightly called PPC advertising, and how Google makes BILLIONS! Type in How to make money online in Google and you'll be bombarded with Adwords ads in the right hand column of most any browser. However type the single keyword chondrite and it shows nothing, or only 1 or 2 ads at random. This is because not many people/vendors are bidding on that keyword. Type in Meteorites for Sale and a few more results show up. The reason my Meteorites USA does not show any more in the Sponsored Ads column, is because I turned off my Adwords ads. ;) It's not cheap, and it was only pulling 25-100 visits per day. I get 5-10 times that traffic through organic search each day, so it's pointless for me to run my ads constantly unless I have a special promotion. Also, Tucson Show is going on right now. Meteorite dealers may have turned off their ads while they are at the show. Hope this helps... Regards, Eric On 2/3/2011 7:13 PM, Melanie Matthews wrote: It would be nice if when one punches in the key words: meteorite, chondrite, chondrule, achondrite, pallasite, Martian, Lunaite, etc...that a sponsored link (or links) would appear in the upper right of the page to online stores that sell mets such as Meteorites USA, Meteorite Market, and so forth.. In fact think I remember a few years ago that was the case, but what happened? Search those keywords now and nothing comes up other than search contents.. --- -Melanie IMCA: 2975 eBay: metmel2775 Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09 I eat, sleep and breath meteorites 24/7. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT rattle snake
http://www.snopes.com/photos/animals/kimmelsnake.asp On 2/2/2011 6:36 AM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: OMG. Attention Hunters; In case you did not see this. Don't point at a rattle snake. They strike very quickly. And in AZ they can be seen even during Winter. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZnqmtyY34U -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: CHERRY STONES - Hand Picked Meteorite Specimens
CHERRY STONES - Hand picked meteorite specimens for your collection. Each piece is hand picked by me for quality and aesthetics. Below is the PUBLIC Facebook link to my gallery exhibiting all these specimens. Send your order via email. First come first served. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078096id=1219094173l=82c45cd73a Price for Individuals = $1.10/g 250-499 grams = .74/g 500-999 grams = .64/g 1000+ grams (kilo) = .55/g MORE BEING ADDED THROUGHOUT THE DAY Note to Dealers. If you can't make it to the show, let me know. I can negotiate for you on specific meteorite specimens or bulk purchases. Will be in Tucson this coming weekend again, so let me know ASAP so I can add you to the list. I can send photos/weights/pricing via email direct from the rooms! Send me your list of specimens you'd like me to look out for. Also Available: Many very nice hand picked meteorite specimens: http://www.bitsofearth.com/meteorites-for-sale.htm 451.2g VERY low iron pyramidal shaped unclassified stone meteorite. Displays nicely. SUPERB Thumbprinting, highly regmaglypted, gorgeous black fusion crust with contraction cracking. Low weathering - $564 obo 916g BLACK [interior] stone meteorite with lots of gorgeous iron in a jet black matrix (when polished) Will consider reasonable offers on this piece. This meteorite is actually BLACK on the interior after polishing, and contrasts very nicely with the iron. It's full of large bits of free iron, and iron veining. This is the same material as the BLACK METEORITE I had a few months back that was selling @ $3-$5/g. I'll sell this piece for $1.50/g obo. PHOTOS: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078092id=1219094173l=40820dcc8e 132.5g Lot of small FLIGHT ORIENTED METEORITES: $132 9 nicely shaped oriented meteorites. Many with rollover lipping. [hand picked] http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2078296id=1219094173l=84cc8d7294 METEORITE AUCTIONS: 30% OFF Select items - Lots of Buy-It-Now items. Also available are some nice small Chergach individuals at $4/g. http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html FREE SHIPPING (USA) on orders of $100 or more. Email or call 760-522-2152 to order. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mystery Box Auction - Anne Black's Room
(Sending for Greg Hupe...) Greg Hupe's Mystery Box at Michael Blood's Auction will be on display in Anne Black's room #322 at the Hotel Tucson City Center. Mystery Box Contains 7 classified meteorites in Ryker Boxes. 4 are achondrites, 1 of which is planetary. And 3 nice chondrites. Meteorites total value over $777. Stop by Anne's room and check out the box yourself. Proceeds donated to the IMCA. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Asteroid Impact 2012?
Sometimes I get interesting email alerts... ...how can anyone living or dead predict a meteor hitting the Earth on a specific day in a specific year? Only a phenomenally supreme being of infinitely superior knowledge and foresight could tell you this as a fact... SOURCE: http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110126153132AAT4XgC Enjoy... Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Google Analytics
Mike, Analytics tracks actual visits (clicks) to the domain/site. Not mere search queries. If it shows a visit via that particular keyword or phrase, that means someone (or a bot) searched for that term, and clicked the link to your site. It's arguable whether Google Analytics tracks bots though... Eric On 1/25/2011 2:21 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Michael, Ruben and List, I also have Google Analytics and I have seen some *strange* search requests. I think in some cases, a person might visit a search engine and make a query, but instead of clicking on the results, they might have a change of mind and navigate directly to another site from the search results page. Their query and search URL is held in the browser cache as last site visited, and Google Analytics will show that in the traffic report. I think that explains some cases where I get queries for stuff like michael jordan signed rookie card. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/25/11, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Hi Mike all, This was an example of what I was talking to Greg and Ruben About in the last few days: No matter what you do, if you are successful a small percentage Of people will resent your success. It is very kinky stuff. Sad people They must be. Michael On 1/24/11 9:23 PM, Mike Hankeymike.han...@gmail.com wrote: I was reviewing my google analytics search keyword stats for today and I came across this strange search phrase... it was too funny not to post. sorry. http://i.imgur.com/T1lbQ.jpg __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MTV Meteorite Television - TEST - LIVE FEED
Hey Ruben, You might mention that there is also a Social Stream meaning people can Tweet on Twitter, and Connect with their Facebook accounts with the click of a button. Of course there's the LIVE Chat too... ;) Eric On 1/23/2011 9:43 AM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi all, For the next hour or so I will be testing a live MTV Meteorite Television feed. I want to work out as many kinks as possible before the Tucson Birthday Bash and Auction with Special lecture from John Blennart. Thanks to Jim for thinking of the MTV idea!. As it turns out there are a few ways to view this feed. 1. Click here to see Hopper in my back yard now on my site. http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm 2. Go to http://www.ustream.tv/ and search for me MrMeteorite This may be a better choice as there will be live chat on this site now and everytime the feed is run. There should be a streaming video and smooth jazz coming from the feed if all is working. Comments welcome but keep in mind this is by no means perfect (picture may be jumpy, or freeze. occasionally) I will try to correct, but at this late stage in the game we get what we get. Here goes! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorite Deals All Week
Over 100 Meteorites - 99 Cent Meteorite Auctions Buy-It-Now items being added from now until the Tucson show. Many nice oriented Chergach individuals too. Great deals to be had. Orders of $100 or more receive Free Shipping, (USA). Bid High, Bid Often, Good Luck! http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html Facebook Special: 26.1g 100% fusion crusted and thumbprinted achondrite achondrite. (email for price) http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2076382id=1219094173 Happy Bidding! Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] MTV Meteorite Television - TEST - LIVE FEED
Upgrade your Flash player with the Firefox version http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/otherversions/ Choose your operating system, then Other Browsers... Then Click [Download now] That should work... I did notice the Social Stream had a problem. Chat works fine. Eric On 1/23/2011 11:56 AM, Jim Wooddell wrote: Also, you can link to the chat and video at http://desertsunburn.no-ip.org/index.html The chat does not appear to work well with FoxFire but works good with Explorer. Can't seem to figure that out. Rubin: Check your quote marks for MTV on your page. One looks off a bitor maybe it's me?? Good job! I think folks around the world are really going to appreciate all your efforts. And thanks for the Hotel info, I am booked and will be there. Man, I was sweating irons! Jim - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] MTV Meteorite Television - TEST - LIVE FEED Hi all, For the next hour or so I will be testing a live MTV Meteorite Television feed. I want to work out as many kinks as possible before the Tucson Birthday Bash and Auction with Special lecture from John Blennart. Thanks to Jim for thinking of the MTV idea!. As it turns out there are a few ways to view this feed. 1. Click here to see Hopper in my back yard now on my site. http://www.mr-meteorite.net/livevideofeed.htm 2. Go to http://www.ustream.tv/ and search for me MrMeteorite This may be a better choice as there will be live chat on this site now and everytime the feed is run. There should be a streaming video and smooth jazz coming from the feed if all is working. Comments welcome but keep in mind this is by no means perfect (picture may be jumpy, or freeze. occasionally) I will try to correct, but at this late stage in the game we get what we get. Here goes! -- Rock On! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction
Michael, setting up a Facebook page as Richard and MikeG suggested is a good idea. It will bring even more people to the auction via the web. Youtube should be able to host the streaming feed. Not sure how that works really as I've never tried it. Eric On 1/22/2011 3:44 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Hi All, Live feed would be terrific and I will have it ready To go next year. I was contacted off list by a member who may want anonymity And I checked out Utube on how to live stream Video to net. Three things needed: 1) Quality viedo camera and mike (I HAVE) 2) Quality Tripod (I HAVE) 3) Quality (high speed) laptop with internet connection (I do NOT have at this time) 4) Free website sign up (I do NOT personally have time right now) 5) Do a few practice runs (ibid) If anyone on the list has a high speed laptop with Internet connect capability AND is willing to do this, I Would make it worth your time - which is all that is required If you have the above (I have the camera and a macho tripod video camera if you don't) - please contact me off list to discuss possibility of doing it this year. RSVP Thanks, Michael On 1/22/11 2:58 PM, Richard Kowalskidamoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like the Auction should have a Facebook page, both to promote the auction and for people to post text, pictures and video clips right from their phones. Probably the easiest way to do this with the lowest need to provide infrastructure. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction
You could try Ustream. http://www.ustream.tv/ There's even a live chat feature too! ;) You don't need a website. Can't find how to stream direct to Youtube. Is this possible? Eric On 1/22/2011 3:44 PM, Michael Blood wrote: Hi All, Live feed would be terrific and I will have it ready To go next year. I was contacted off list by a member who may want anonymity And I checked out Utube on how to live stream Video to net. Three things needed: 1) Quality viedo camera and mike (I HAVE) 2) Quality Tripod (I HAVE) 3) Quality (high speed) laptop with internet connection (I do NOT have at this time) 4) Free website sign up (I do NOT personally have time right now) 5) Do a few practice runs (ibid) If anyone on the list has a high speed laptop with Internet connect capability AND is willing to do this, I Would make it worth your time - which is all that is required If you have the above (I have the camera and a macho tripod video camera if you don't) - please contact me off list to discuss possibility of doing it this year. RSVP Thanks, Michael On 1/22/11 2:58 PM, Richard Kowalskidamoc...@yahoo.com wrote: Sounds like the Auction should have a Facebook page, both to promote the auction and for people to post text, pictures and video clips right from their phones. Probably the easiest way to do this with the lowest need to provide infrastructure. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction
Ruben, a Broadband connection through Verizon Wireless, or another carrier will work. There might be some lag, but the speeds are fast enough to stream low resolution audio/video. Bandwidth or data charges might apply depending on carriers. WiFi of course would be good but might not be reliable for streaming video, depends again on the strength of signal and speed of the connection. A direct connection to a 10MBS (or faster) land line broadband connection is ideal. Eric On 1/22/2011 9:27 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi, I think there may be a way to do this even without High Speed internet at the Hall , via a cell phone connection. I will look into this. Anyone else have any idea's? Please let me know. On 1/22/11, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Great work, Ruben, But I somehow doubt that the VFW hall has high speed (or ANY) internet hookup. I can call them Michael On 1/22/11 8:00 PM, Ruben Garciamrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just sent Michael Blood the confirmation that I was able to test a live feed with Eric (MeteoritesUSA) watching from California and it works fine! However, I only tested using my laptop camera and a cheap mic (not my Hi-Def Canon and expensive mic) but Eric said it looked and sounded good. So worst case scenario we can do that. I do however want to ultimately use my good camera and mic. (Still working on it!) Long story short I will be broadcasting Live from the Auction and possibly the Birthday Bash! assuming all parties agree and there is high speed Internet at each place! Once all involved are in agreement I will post how to watch each live feed during the show! Who knows, maybe we can do a live feed from a room or two also.. Are you ready to (Space) Rock? I am! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] LIVE video feed of the auction
Hey Ruben, It seemed to work well from your home network. Hopefully there will be a good connection at the auction, it will be great if people who can't make it to the auction can watch LIVE! Eric On 1/22/2011 9:49 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi, Eric, I was using WiFi when you viewed the live feed, so if the strength is sufficient it will work. However, a direct connection is better no doubt. We will wait to get confirmation from Mike about internet at the hall and take it from there. If there is none I will try to somehow get a wireless broadband connection. We are too close to fail now! On 1/22/11, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Ruben, a Broadband connection through Verizon Wireless, or another carrier will work. There might be some lag, but the speeds are fast enough to stream low resolution audio/video. Bandwidth or data charges might apply depending on carriers. WiFi of course would be good but might not be reliable for streaming video, depends again on the strength of signal and speed of the connection. A direct connection to a 10MBS (or faster) land line broadband connection is ideal. Eric On 1/22/2011 9:27 PM, Ruben Garcia wrote: Hi, I think there may be a way to do this even without High Speed internet at the Hall , via a cell phone connection. I will look into this. Anyone else have any idea's? Please let me know. On 1/22/11, Michael Bloodmlbl...@cox.net wrote: Great work, Ruben, But I somehow doubt that the VFW hall has high speed (or ANY) internet hookup. I can call them Michael On 1/22/11 8:00 PM, Ruben Garciamrmeteor...@gmail.com wrote: Hi all, I just sent Michael Blood the confirmation that I was able to test a live feed with Eric (MeteoritesUSA) watching from California and it works fine! However, I only tested using my laptop camera and a cheap mic (not my Hi-Def Canon and expensive mic) but Eric said it looked and sounded good. So worst case scenario we can do that. I do however want to ultimately use my good camera and mic. (Still working on it!) Long story short I will be broadcasting Live from the Auction and possibly the Birthday Bash! assuming all parties agree and there is high speed Internet at each place! Once all involved are in agreement I will post how to watch each live feed during the show! Who knows, maybe we can do a live feed from a room or two also.. Are you ready to (Space) Rock? I am! Ruben Garcia Website: http://www.mr-meteorite.net Articles: http://www.meteorite.com/blog/ Videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile?user=meteorfright#p/u __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Maybe I Should Have My Head Checked
Now that's what I'm talkin' bout! I'm totally elated, beyond words..Success at last, this is AWESOME! That's it, that's all I want to say. You captured the feeling perfectly. Great job and finds Larry! Regards, Eric On 1/21/2011 2:21 PM, Larry Atkins wrote: Hello List, This is my first youtube video, no music, no credits, nothing fancy. I just wanted to poke a little fun at myself and share some of the excitement I get when finding meteorites. It's 2 clips, the first is from Franconia. It's kinda funny, I seem to take this documentation stuff serious! The second clip is from Mifflin. It's a brief, intimate view of my passion for meteorite hunting. If you were one of the few people that got a piece of my find you certainly need to see this! It's like you got a tiny piece of my being. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Feyy4W4rSrU Sincerely, Larry Atkins IMCA # 1941 Ebay alienrockfarm __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Dealers the book? Coming soon to the big scr...
Thanks Pete! Page 47 Quote: ...it looks like a piece of placenta... Huh? Eric On 1/20/2011 12:10 PM, Pete Pete wrote: Hi, Anne and List, Google is a wonderful thing! A search of Meteorite Dealer Poetry gives us the PDF of the poems: http://www.moriapoetry.com/trussellebook.pdf http://www.moriapoetry.com/trussellebook.pdf Cheers, Pete -- From: impact...@aol.com Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:04:28 -0500 To: geok...@notkin.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Dealers the book? Coming soon to the big scr... Agreed. I would like to see a sample of that poetry, just out of curiosity. If anyone is buying it, please share with the rest of us. Back to packing! Anne M. Black _http://www.impactika.com/_ (http://www.impactika.com/) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President, I.M.C.A. Inc. _http://www.imca.cc/_ (http://www.imca.cc/) In a message dated 1/20/2011 12:30:25 PM Mountain Standard Time, geok...@notkin.net writes: http://cgi.ebay.com/Meteorite-Dealers-/220724750545?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item33643868d1 Really? A book of poetry? Is it just me, or do the terms meteorite dealer and poetry not really seem to go together that well? : ) Geoff N. _www.aerolite.org_ (http://www.aerolite.org) www.meteoritemen.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What's with these weird Campos?
Yeah, I wonder if anyone's ever etched a Campo crystal before? Eric On 1/19/2011 6:48 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Bob, AFAIK, these are made by taking a low-grade ruster or dog and freezing it in liquid nitrogen. Then frozen meteorite is then shattered and it fragments along the crystal-plane boundaries of the taenite and kamacite - the result is these crystals with a polished appearance. This process works best with coarse octahedrites of lower value like Campo and Nantan. Some people like them, some people don't. I think they are a neat way to upcycle a lower grade piece into something more marketable, but they are also a bit misleading because newbies may tend to think iron meteorites naturally look that way. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 1/19/11, Bob Kingnightsk...@gmail.com wrote: Hi everyone, This has been bugging me a while, but I've noticed lots of smaller Campo del Cielos on eBay recently that look like very melted Sikhote-Alins. Does anyone know what's going on with these? Is someone blowing up Campos and melting down the pieces. Here's an example: http://tinyurl.com/4nuvhwn Thanks! Bob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Magazines
Meteorites For Sale: Having a large sale from now until the Tucson Show. Order over $250 get 10% off. See details on my meteorites for sale page. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorites-for-sale/ Check out the Meteorite Auctions: Many items starting at 99 cents! http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html Subscribe to Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine: 25% Off Until The Tucson Show! http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Magazine Update: We're printing some extra back issues and will have them at the Tucson Show for those interested. If you want July, Sept, or the Nov issue please let me know ASAP! Back issues will be on sale for *$10* each from now until the Tucson Show is over. Regular price is $20!) Everyone will start receiving their magazines direct from our printer in the coming weeks! Please let me know when you start receiving them. EVERYONE's orders with their collectibles are still shipping in the order they were received. January Issue UPDATE: Also, just a heads up on the January issue! It's coming fast, this issue will be on Planetary Defense, our beloved meteorites, and their relationship to the science of protecting our planet from those pesky 1/km+ sized asteroids. In addition there are some great aticles about meteorite hunting here in the USA, and a special article about how many meteorites actually fall on this planet each day. It's NOT what you would think. Is it more? Less? You'll just have to get a subscription to find out. Enjoy... Email or Call 760-522-2152 to order. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Magazines
(Sorry, I forgot a link) FACEBOOK DEAL! Spectacular 26.3g 100% Fusion Crusted Achondrite (Email Offers ONLY!) - This piece exhibits exquisitely smooth black fusion crust, with gorgeous contraction cracking. It's completely fusion crusted save for a couple small blemishes. It's beautifully pyramidal shaped and thumbprinted. You must be a member of Facebook to view this gallery. Take another 10% your meteorite order if you order through Facebook. http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=2076382id=1219094173 Enjoy... Regards, Eric On 1/17/2011 3:32 PM, Meteorites USA wrote: Meteorites For Sale: Having a large sale from now until the Tucson Show. Order over $250 get 10% off. See details on my meteorites for sale page. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorites-for-sale/ Check out the Meteorite Auctions: Many items starting at 99 cents! http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html Subscribe to Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine: 25% Off Until The Tucson Show! http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Magazine Update: We're printing some extra back issues and will have them at the Tucson Show for those interested. If you want July, Sept, or the Nov issue please let me know ASAP! Back issues will be on sale for *$10* each from now until the Tucson Show is over. Regular price is $20!) Everyone will start receiving their magazines direct from our printer in the coming weeks! Please let me know when you start receiving them. EVERYONE's orders with their collectibles are still shipping in the order they were received. January Issue UPDATE: Also, just a heads up on the January issue! It's coming fast, this issue will be on Planetary Defense, our beloved meteorites, and their relationship to the science of protecting our planet from those pesky 1/km+ sized asteroids. In addition there are some great aticles about meteorite hunting here in the USA, and a special article about how many meteorites actually fall on this planet each day. It's NOT what you would think. Is it more? Less? You'll just have to get a subscription to find out. Enjoy... Email or Call 760-522-2152 to order. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Magazines
Ed, You could very easily have emailed me privately with your concerns, you've not sent me a private email since October or I would have been happy to answer ANY questions you might have had. (I did notice that I missed that email by the way, and I apologize for not responding). List, Subscribers, and everyone else, Perhaps this will clear things up. Yes, there were some delays... November issue is printing NOW, and ships in the coming week(s). (Just in time for the Tucson Show!) September is being printed, and it ships just after the Nov issue. (I know, a little backwards) January issue will quickly follow. (In design now, and we go to production immediately after all the other previous issues have shipped!) Then we're back on schedule. July - (extras are being printed for the show) Whatever back copies are left *after* ALL issues ship to ALL subscribers, will be available at the show! Hope this helps... Regards, Eric On 1/17/2011 6:16 PM, Ed Deckert wrote: OK, now I'm totally confused. Quote from email below regarding MHC magazine: Magazine Update: We're printing some extra back issues and will have them at the Tucson Show for those interested. If you want July, Sept, or the Nov issue please let me know ASAP! Back issues will be on sale for *$10* each from now until the Tucson Show is over. Regular price is $20!) I subscribed and so far I have only received the July issue via snail mail. AFAIK the Sept and Nov issues never materialized (delays, etc.) Now, back issues of the Sept and November issues are being offered for sale at Tucson by having extra copies printed? And January's issue is coming fast? Has anyone who subscribed to MHC Magazine gotten any other issue via snail mail beyond the premier July issue? My inquiring mind wants to know. Thanks, Ed - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 6:32 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites Magazines Meteorites For Sale: Having a large sale from now until the Tucson Show. Order over $250 get 10% off. See details on my meteorites for sale page. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorites-for-sale/ Check out the Meteorite Auctions: Many items starting at 99 cents! http://shop.ebay.com/freel3orn/m.html Subscribe to Meteorite Hunting Collecting Magazine: 25% Off Until The Tucson Show! http://www.mhcmagazine.com/subscribe/ Magazine Update: We're printing some extra back issues and will have them at the Tucson Show for those interested. If you want July, Sept, or the Nov issue please let me know ASAP! Back issues will be on sale for *$10* each from now until the Tucson Show is over. Regular price is $20!) Everyone will start receiving their magazines direct from our printer in the coming weeks! Please let me know when you start receiving them. EVERYONE's orders with their collectibles are still shipping in the order they were received. January Issue UPDATE: Also, just a heads up on the January issue! It's coming fast, this issue will be on Planetary Defense, our beloved meteorites, and their relationship to the science of protecting our planet from those pesky 1/km+ sized asteroids. In addition there are some great aticles about meteorite hunting here in the USA, and a special article about how many meteorites actually fall on this planet each day. It's NOT what you would think. Is it more? Less? You'll just have to get a subscription to find out. Enjoy... Email or Call 760-522-2152 to order. Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] What The?
Anyone have an idea what this might be? http://cgi.ebay.com/METEORITE-MARION-COUNTY-KENTUCKY-/220722892198 Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Core samples from chondrites
Forwarded to the list for Sean Murray Folks, Does anyone have experience taking a core sample from a chondrite for repository / classification. The purpose would be to preserve certain exterior characteristics by taking ~25 grams in a core and keep the 5gm crusted plug. As a side note, considering most cores I found online were marble cutting using water or a coolant, I would also be interested if the process could be done dry, even if the cutting bit is wasted in process. Sean __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
UPDATE: I've added another map to the mess. ;) Don't really have time to do anything with this, those who can use it here it is. Marc Fries' radar data is plotted on the map, http://radarmeteorites.wordpress.com/2011/01/13/southern-ms-12-jan-11-0244-utc/ and I credit him for his work. Nice job! An interesting note is that I conducted 2 phone interviews with two eye witnesses a day or so before Marc posted his radar data.When I plotted their reports on the map, they roughly pointed in the same general area as the radar return with regard to their sighting direction and flight path of the fireball. The witness North of Pickens AR reported massive fragmentation, and the witness in MS stated they saw no fragmentation and that the fireball appeared to fall all the way to the ground. Not sure if 20 miles would make the difference between seeing the fragmentation or not, but the MS witness was 241 miles from Marc's radar return, whereas, the Pickens AR witness was 221 miles away. (this assuming the radar return is the bolide event) It's possible that the small differentiation between the distances from the fireball event and the curvature of the Earth allowed the AR witness to see the fragmentation, whereas the MS witness was unable to see it because their view was obscured by the horizon. A lot of things need to be considered like the altitude, the timing of the sighting, the height/altitude of each witness. Either way, it's interesting. Let me make this disclaimer. This is only a rough estimate based on compiled information, sonic boon reports, fireball sighting reports, radar, and phone interviews. Use this info at your own risk. Video is basically useless, and I've not yet plotted ANY video on this map. I've heard of some CNN video, and other video which actually shows the fireball in the air, but have only seen one. Anyone wanting to help let me know. I'll plot it when I get time. Enjoy... Happy Hunting! Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal. Here's some quotes from the articles: A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina... ...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs ...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a boom... ...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky ...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle Reports still coming in... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Another Fireball 1/12/11 - Minnesota
VERY interesting observation Mike! More people are looking up or more fireballs are falling. Maybe both... Either way, very cool! Eric On 1/13/2011 12:51 PM, Mike Hankey wrote: Well it looks like the meteors just won't stop. Reports of a large meteor and flash are coming in from Minnesota, Iowa, Nebraska, South Dakota and Wisconsin. The approximate time of the event is 6:30 PM CST. For more info see: http://www.mikesastrophotos.com/comets/more-fireballs-1-3-fireballs-reported-in-minnesota-on-11211/ Is it just me, or does it seem like there is an extraordinary amount of fireballs happening right now? By the end of Jan 2010, there were 29 AMS fireball events with 61 total witnesses. By Jan 13th 2011 we've had more than 52 events with 145 total witnesses. All things being equal, I'd say that is more than a 3x increase in reported fireballs year over year. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] test
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[meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal. Here's some quotes from the articles: A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina... ...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs ...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a boom... ...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky ...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle Reports still coming in... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this one. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/ Enjoy... Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal. Here's some quotes from the articles: A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina... ...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs ...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a boom... ...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky ...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle Reports still coming in... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite fall. The question on this one is whether there was fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation. Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote houses were rattled. Though not definitive it's a very good piece of the puzzle. Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a huge area, but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ... Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this one. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/ Enjoy... Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many reports of fragmentation and sonic booms for it not to be. Looks like this might be the real deal. Here's some quotes from the articles: A sonic boom was heard as far north as Western North Carolina... ...Copiah County Emergency Management Director Randle Drane said residents who saw the light and heard a subsequent boom called to report what they had seen or heard. The majority of those who heard the boom were near the town of Hopewell just southeast of Crystal Springs ...Little Rock, Ark. Around 8:30 p.m. we began receiving calls about a bright flash of light and a boom... ...Around 9 PM Tuesday, the Pulaski County Sheriff's Office received several calls of what looked like balls of fire falling from the sky ...According to affiliate KFSM, the meteor was also sighted in Greenwood, Jonesboro, Jackson, Miss., Biloxi, Miss., and the Florida Panhandle Reports still coming in... Regards, Eric Wichman Meteorites USA www.meteoritesusa.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011
Sucks that the radar is unreadable. Maybe someone will step up and say their car was smashed by a North American Lunar meteorite. Could you imagine? We can hope... ;) Just a heads up for those still holding out hope, more Fireball reports have been made on AMS: http://www.amsmeteors.org/fireball2/public.php?start_date=2011-01-01end_date=2011-12-31 Articles about the fireball: http://news.google.com/news/more?q=fireballoe=utf-8client=firefox-arlz=1R1GGLL_en___US360um=1hl=enie=UTF-8ncl=dw2iJm6DIXQC3OMzlaYaeruc0jPmMei=KzIuTYzGM5S6sQOGoMnqBgsa=Xoi=news_resultct=more-resultsresnum=7ved=0CFkQqgIwBg Perhaps someone will come forward with some better quality video footage other than bright flashes. Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 1:52 PM, Marc Fries wrote: Here's the NOAA site with all the data: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/nexradinv/ And here's NOAA's free radar image viewing software: http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/wct/ There's a FAQ and instructions and what-not in there as well. It's worth the read - there is a fairly extensive learning curve to working with radar data. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 1:43 PM, R. Chastain wrote: Thanks for the info. I will check out the NOAA site. Rod --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu wrote: From: Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 To: R. Chastainsuen...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite-list Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 4:36 PM Depending on the radar, the data can go back as far as 1992. All of it is publicly available through the NOAA website - your tax dollars at work, as they say. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 12:57 PM, R. Chastain wrote: Hi, I have a question about radar data in general. How far back is radar data archived? A few weeks/days/years?? Thanks, Rod --- On Wed, 1/12/11, Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu wrote: From: Marc Friesfr...@psi.edu Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Huge Fireball: Possible First Meteorite Fall of 2011 To: Meteorite-list Listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, January 12, 2011, 3:09 PM Howdy, all I've received a bunch of requests for radar data so I'll just answer them all here... I pulled all the radar data down last night and did a perusal for fall signatures. I didn't see anything terribly obvious but eyewitness reports were not very specific at the time. I'm out of town working today but will sit down with the radar data (and much better eyewitness reports!) tonight and see what I can find. I'll post the results to my blog so everyone can see them. Cheers, Marc Fries On Jan 12, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: Hey Robert, a short duration Fireball doesn't really mean much with regard to whether meteorites are on the ground as evidenced by the Whetstone Mountains meteorite fall. The question on this one is whether there was fragmentation, and if there is video of that fragmentation. Fragmentation has been reported by many eye witnesses. A good sign is that sonic booms were heard as well, and quote houses were rattled. Though not definitive it's a very good piece of the puzzle. Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 10:25 AM, meteoritefin...@yahoo.com wrote: Yeah, sounded pretty impressive at first and was reported over a huge area, but as others have noted, it was quite short, so ... Robert Woolard Sent from my iPhone On Jan 12, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Meteorites USAe...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: UPDATE: New data added... This is a short duration event. Current public video sucks, and no radar yet. Over 30 sightings on AMS. I've added a map, and the Google Earth KMZ file for download for those who want to try this one. http://www.meteoritesusa.com/meteorite-news/huge-fireball-seen-across-6-states/ Enjoy... Regards, Eric On 1/12/2011 12:20 AM, Meteorites USA wrote: You know, sometimes it's just too good to be true... What are the chances a meteorite falls on 1/11/11 just a mere couple weeks before the Tucson show? ;) We might have our first meteorite fall of 2011. Too many
[meteorite-list] NASA's Kepler Mission Discovers Its First Rocky Planet
http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/news/news.cfm?release=2011-007cid=release_2011-007msource=11007tr=yauid=7605855 Not in the habitable zone, and 20 times closer to the Kepler 10 star than Mercury is to our Sun, but it is 1.4 times the size of Earth which is the smallest planet ever discovered outside our solar system. Way cool! Regards, Eric __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
