Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings ( PROVENANCE COA's )
Yes Adam, provenance, COA, and ID cards can be very different things. Saying I got some specimens from Adam, Greg, or any number of the great people who do the collecting, purchasing, and classifying is never intended as a COA, but, it does assure others that it's not from the driveway, railway, or some cave somewhere. On 3:41:58 pm 03/24/12 Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: I think collectors might be confusing COAs with ID cards. We are lucky that ID cards suffice in the meteorite market most of the time. As far as I know, nobody has passed off counterfeit ID cards from my collection yet. This would be like poking a stick into a beehive as far as I am concerned. The only COAs I have provided that were printed by myself were for crumbs or cutting dust encased in laminated collectors cards. The pieces were so small that I felt collectors would appreciate a little more assurance. They are also serialized with the certification statement on the back. The only other COAs I have provided came with some NWA 5000 specimens. These COAs came from an immensely-qualified independent grader. I had no input whatsoever on how individual specimens would be graded since many factors were independently taken into account. I have never graded any specimens myself. I have however provided comments when I feel a special feature needs to be pointed out. The grades that came on my ID cards were provided by researchers approved by the Meteoritical Society's Nomenclature Committee and can be referenced in the Bulletin. Despite popular belief, there are a few errors in the Bulletin so no system is perfect. I hope this clears things up, Kind Regards, Adam From: John higgins geohigg...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecen tral.com Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Auction Kings ( PROVENANCE COA's ) Hi Mike, Adam, and List, Interesting opinions. You guys touched on a major issue in the Meteorite Community, and there are parts of your statements I don't agree with. I would really like to share how I feel about the subject. First of all Mike you said, I thought this was laughable for obvious reasons and a man who runs an auction house should know that 99% of COA's are not worth the paper they are printed on. I can go outside, grab a rock from my driveway, and print up an official-looking COA for it. Mike with all due respect, I don't agree with this. Why would you try to knock a dealers reputation? For example a meteorite sold by Mike Farmer or Greg Hupe is worth more than a meteorite that is sold without any provenance or COA. For example lets say unknown dealer X is selling a Howardite, and well known dealer Y is selling the same Howardite. Who do you think is going to realize a higher price? The well know dealer. Now if that meteorite losses it's COA from the dealer who sold it, what happens? Usually the meteorite immediately looses value, how can you explain this if the COA is not worth the paper it's printed on? For example a meteorite said to be from from the Bob Hagg collection without Bob's paperwork has a much lower value than a meteorite from the Bob Hagg collection with his COA right? So please extrapolate exactly what you mean and how you come to this conclusion. I strongly disagree with your opinion. Much of the value in meteorites is locked up in the provenance and not the meteorite itself in my opinion. I think what is much too overlooked is that a meteorite dealers reputation is the most important factor in meteorite prices. That includes the following they create, the friends they make, impressions that collectors get all translate into value and that it why most collectors demand individual COA's be issued with each meteorite sold. I think this makes a lot of sense because the process it takes to build a good reputation takes years. The piece of paper adds value. Of course a paper from Hagg is worth more than a COA from Joe Schmo. But to say the paper has no value is the most insane thing I ever heard. How else would you know if your buying pedigree meteorites from dealers who stand for integrity, honor and strive to provide the customer the best experience. A lot of new comers think that the value is in the meteorite itself, and then when they try to sell them, they are greatly let down and wonder why their meteorites don't fetch the same price that the other more well known dealers get all day long. Because it comes down to more than just the meteorite itself and taking it for face value. You fail to consider the amount of friends the advanced dealers had made over the years, the networking they have done and the awareness they have created about their meteorite and the way they are presented. And most importantly the way they make their customers feel is the most important factor to me. Is it
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Issues?
Might be heavy traffic on you internet service. I have no problems up here On 8:43:08 pm 12/14/11 Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Is anybody else having problems with eBay today. I can't seem to get auctions to sort by newly listed. It keeps going back to best match. I also cannot zoom in on anybody's images including mine. Kind Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Issues?
I use a program called ccleaner and you can get it from download.com...works really well to clean browsers and garbage installing programs on windows leaves behind On 10:20:39 pm 12/14/11 Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Thank you all once again. I figured it out. I cleared my browser cache and the problem went away. Now back to more important things like meteorites. Happy Holidays, Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 2:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] EBay Issues? Thank you for reporting back to me. I think the problem must be with my computer or browser. It is odd that it is only picking on eBay and PayPal stuff. I don't know what is going on. Oh Joy, more work. Kind Regards, Adam - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Sent: Wednesday, December 14, 2011 12:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] EBay Issues? Is anybody else having problems with eBay today. I can't seem to get auctions to sort by newly listed. It keeps going back to best match. I also cannot zoom in on anybody's images including mine. Kind Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD-Ebay auctions ending super fresh LL4, Ureilite, Muonionalusta and more
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Re: [meteorite-list] Hammer???
Get a lawyer Pete On 6:14:46 pm 11/23/11 pshu...@messengersfromthecosmos.com wrote: Hello List and Happy turkey day to all, Suppose someone gets really ticked off at his/her spouse and picks up a meteorite, bashing said spouse in the noggin, killing said spouse. Would this be a hammer or just a murder weapon? Both? Pete __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD - Auctions
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Re: [meteorite-list] AD - Auctions
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Re: [meteorite-list] Question for dealers - accepting foreign checks in the US
It can be done, but watch out. In Kentucky, they can hold the funds for 90 days (and will blame everyone else for it) while they use YOUR money for themselves. I am sure other states have similar laws which allow theft like this. On 4:45:22 pm 08/09/11 Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, Quick question for the dealers : have you ever heard of a US bank accepting a check from an overseas bank? Specifically, a check from India from an Indian bank that is affiliated with Bank of America, and the check in question will be drawn against Bank of America and can be deposited or cashed at any Bank of America? I ask because I received a request from an overseas customer and the request seems legit in other respects, but I am reluctant to deal with the kind of stuff where I have to walk in to the bank, speak to a supervisor and get it handled - it's a PITA and I'd rather just go through the drive-through and get my business done quick. And unless this is some form of Cashier's Check, there is no telling how long it will take for a check like this to clear and the funds to become available. Best regards, MikeG -- --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=156 4 -- --- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Periodicity of Extinctions
I didn't realize wiki anything was a recognized science venue. I do use it for spelling options and links though :) Mark Ferguson On 8:56:08 pm 08/03/11 E.P. Grondine epgrond...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Richard, all - At least here on the meteorite list the peanut gallery is allowed to squeak. Amazing - There appear to be no mention of either Chicxulub or Shiva in the wikipedia article on extinctions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extinction Apparently, they're all due to global warming now. When one of the larger YD craters is definitively proved, then obviously it will have to be co-incidental to the extinction that occurred then. And/Or it will have to be a Carbonaceous asteroid that hit. And of course the First Peoples detailed memories of those comet fragment impacts are simply fairy tales made up by retarded savages. My mistake! :p) Now since the Nemesis Hypothesis has been thoroughly disproved, perhaps you'll send Morrison a note suggesting that he update this piece: http://www.csicop.org/si/show/is_the_sky_falling in which he thoroughly endorsed the Nemesis Hypothesis as the standard paradigm, while damning Clube and Napier. http://ethomas.web.wesleyan.edu/ees123/crater_age_6.gif http://www.blackwellpublishing.com/paleobiology/figure.asp?chap=07fig =Fig7-6img=c07f006 Aside from that, I am thoroughly enjoying the images of the fragments of 73P which are being posted to the MPML. I hope that some IR images of 73P's dust load come along shortly. good hunting, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas PS - I tried to get some YD nanodiamonds from an excavator to sell to list participants, but he thought the commercialism would sully the science, and the preparation costs were too high. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] First opal-like crystals discovered in meteorite
News to me, I must have slept through the part where opal can form crystals. On 9:51:34 pm 08/03/11 Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com wrote: List: Intersting, Greg S http://scienceblog.com/46855/first-opal-like-crystals-discovered-in-me teorite/ First opal-like crystals discovered in meteorite Scientists have found opal-like crystals in the Tagish Lake meteorite, which fell to Earth in Canada in 2000. This is the first extraterrestrial discovery of these unusual crystals, which may have formed in the primordial cloud of dust that produced the sun and planets of our solar system 4.6 billion years ago, according to a report in the Journal of the American Chemical Society. Katsuo Tsukamoto and colleagues say that colloidal crystals such as opals, which form as an orderly array of particles, are of great interest to for their potential use in new electronics and optical devices. Surprisingly, the crystals in the meteorite are composed of magnetite, which scientists thought could not assemble into such a crystal because magnetic attractions might pack the atoms together too tightly. We believe that, if synthesized, magnetite colloidal crystals have promising potential as a novel functional material, the article notes. The formation of colloidal crystals in the meteorite implies that several conditions must have existed when they formed. First, a certain amount of solution water must have been present in the meteorite to disperse the colloidal particles, the report explains. The solution water must have been confined in small voids, in which colloidal crystallization takes place. These conditions, along with evidence from similar meteorites, suggest that the crystals may have formed 4.6 billion years ago. ___ ___ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Happy Crab Nebula Day!
The Gregorian calendar represents a generalized conversion so that things are easily kept in perspective between the sciences and the rest of the world. And thus, the terms Current Era (CE) and Before Current Era (BCE) have come into use and they do not represent Julian Calendar timelines. You could also add the Egyptian, Mayan, and Hebrew calendars if you really want to confuse the issue and there are those who seem to have obtained post grad degrees with methods to reconcile the various calendars so that all dates within each match up. And since some predate the Julian Calendar, which hold the superior claim? Which is the most easily used and more commonly used? BTW the Crab Nebula is one of the most beautiful of formations and one that many people have seen, even if they wouldn't recognize it. On 4:15:42 am 07/05/11 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: It ought to be Julian since that was in effect ... or else all the references would have to say something about the re-adjustment of the date, but that's just an opinion! In astronomy, generally the 1582 conversion is respected by astronomers if I recall - I.e., before that time events are on the Julian Calendar, and afterwards Gregorian, even if they nation of the observation was still on the Julian date; usually that doesn't matter and by convention the expression I time I believe changes in 1582. Jean Meeus's incredibly useful books, if I had them would have an excellent discussion of the subject, but I don't have my references with me. Some other list member could look it up as Meeus'd be the expert. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Patrick Wiggins p...@wirelessbeehive.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Happy Crab Nebula Day! I've often wondered and maybe someone here can answer. Since 1054 was long before the 1582 conversion from the Julian to Gregorian calendar, is the July 4 date that gets mentioned for the first sighting of supernova a Julian date or has it been converted to Gregorian? ??? patrick On 04 Jul 2011, at 10:25, Gary Fujihara wrote: Cosmic Fireworks: On July 4, 1054, Chinese astronomers observed a guest star in the constellation Taurus, the result of a star exploding or going Supernova. At mag -6, SN1054 (Supernova of 1054) became about 4 times brighter than Venus, was visible in daylight for 23 days, and lasted a period of two years. Today we can still see remnants of SN1054 as the Messier Object 1 (M1) Crab Nebula. http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/_M1.jpg Oh, and for those terrestrially bound in the USA, Happy Fourth of July! Gary Fujihara Big Kahuna Meteorites (IMCA#1693) 105 Puhili Place, Hilo, Hawai'i 96720 http://bigkahuna-meteorites.com/ http://shop.ebay.com/fujmon/m.html (808) 640-9161 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Happy Crab Nebula Day!
I bet that the Chinese used their own calendar system. On 5:44:32 am 07/05/11 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: Hi Mark, I meant it ought to be Julian in the sense that it is the Julian calendar system I believe is used by astronomers for dates before 1582, since we are by default dealing with the Holy Roman empire's calendar - our calendar, which makes me believe the July 4 date all over the place by default would be Julian. Certainly not as a moral statement out of me of what calendar is superior! All calendars that work are fine with me! I like the Venusian-Mayan one a lot. Back to the question about the supernova that created the Crab Nebula, I still would guess it is JULIAN. I'm not sure if you are suggesting that Julian is being / has been dropped or if the date is Gregorian or none of the above - and just to observe it ;-) which is good advice, too. But knowing if I just Googled Meeus but couldn't find anything on Calendar usage in astronomy. I do recall screwing around with his algorithms and and dealing with royal pains in the butt made simple for his creative mind - using Julian day and date problems in his workbook style text, but it's been a very long time... I found this online from Fred Espenak of NASA who is the eclipse guru and has done many historical calculations, so it re-enforces that: The Julian calendar is used for all dates up to 1582 Oct 04. After that date, the Gregorian calendar is used. Due to the Gregorian Calendar reform, the day after 1582 Oct 04 (Julian calendar) is 1582 Oct 15 (Gregorian calendar). Note that Great Britain did not adopt the Gregorian calendar until 1752. For more information, see Calendars. ref: http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/SEhelp/calendar.html As to having a standard calendar, I couldn't agree more with you that it would simplify thing, but no matter how you deal with this as you mention it is always a headache for anyone who just wants to get answers quick. Even in the American colonies, all of the founding American fathers pretty much converted their birthdays since the new calendar was adopted here until the mid 1700's. I wonder how it felt to change everyone's birthday ... or I'm wondering if they actually kept celebrating on their Julian dates. Yes, here is meteorite-man Thomas Jefferson's design for his grave monument and epitaph, showing his birthday (O.S.) old system (Julian) of April 2, 1743. As to whoever did the specific conversions to determine the July 4, 1054 date from the ancient Chinese observations attributed to the Crab Nebula supernova ... they know :-(, but heck ... it happened a few thousand years earlier anyway, not when the light happened to reach Earth, yeah probably on a July 4 ... good cop-out to exit stage left http://www.hark.com/clips/mfrzzzplsb-stage-left ;-) Kindest wishes Doug -Original Message- From: ma...@imagineopals.com To: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 11:32 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Happy Crab Nebula Day! The Gregorian calendar represents a generalized conversion so that things are easily kept in perspective between the sciences and the rest of the world. And thus, the terms Current Era (CE) and Before Current Era (BCE) have come into use and they do not represent Julian Calendar timelines. You could also add the Egyptian, Mayan, and Hebrew calendars if you really want to confuse the issue and there are those who seem to have obtained post grad degrees with methods to reconcile the various calendars so that all dates within each match up. And since some predate the Julian Calendar, which hold the superior claim? Which is the most easily used and more commonly used? BTW the Crab Nebula is one of the most beautiful of formations and one that many people have seen, even if they wouldn't recognize it. On 4:15:42 am 07/05/11 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: It ought to be Julian since that was in effect ... or else all the references would have to say something about the re-adjustment of the date, but that's just an opinion! In astronomy, generally the 1582 conversion is respected by astronomers if I recall - I.e., before that time events are on the Julian Calendar, and afterwards Gregorian, even if they nation of the observation was still on the Julian date; usually that doesn't matter and by convention the expression I time I believe changes in 1582. Jean Meeus's incredibly useful books, if I had them would have an excellent discussion of the subject, but I don't have my references with me. Some other list member could look it up as Meeus'd be the expert. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Patrick Wiggins p...@wirelessbeehive.com To: MeteorList meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Mon, Jul 4, 2011 10:12 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT - Happy Crab Nebula Day!
Re: [meteorite-list] Lahcen Ait Ha and Gary
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Where were you with this for sale 10 years ago..what a nice scope On 5:40:25 am 06/14/11 Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: To all, My friend has a real nice petrographic microscope for sale. It is made with exceptional optics and has first order red, quartz wedge, and other accessories in its hard wood case. I have a similar hand held vintage scope and these you will find that these are superior instruments. Link: http://www.thinsections.com/microscope Steve Schoner www.petroslides.com IMCA 4470 Founding Member Emeritus Mom Is 55, Looks 30... Her clever $5 wrinkle therapy angers Botox Doctors. Find Out How! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3341/4df6e66f5ff4f450dbbst06duc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits
You and that guy from Alberta Canada should collaborate on a video for moraine searching Mark Ferguson On 4:25:27 am 06/13/11 Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, and Norm, WOW! In this thread the only 2 things that has been said that is counter-productive for anyone just getting started in the search for meteorites is, Norm's disrespectful comments! (for 1) This is one of those stories with to good to be true overtones. Norm I have been on the list for 3.5-4 years, I was brought up and raised to be respectful to other people in this small farming town.You do not know anything about me...so why would you make a comment like that! The second comment by you is compairing the glacier area of ( NE WA.) to that of OHIO-INDIANA) WHAT??? That is like compairing the moon to mars ! Norm, for the past 35 years out of my 51, I have been a amateur Archaeologist, I have found over 450 artifacts in 4 counties in south west Ohio, I can Identify each and everyone, I have recorded all my finds. I have discovered 20 village sites! And for the past 35 years, I have been an amateur geologist, I can Identify the common rock typs that are Igneous, sedimentary and metamorphic. My favorite rocks to collect are the one of a kind, metamorphic rocks, and the basalts with subporphyritic texture.(like what is found in some achondrites) So if i may, let me tell you all about the morianes in Ohio and Indiana. On top of of the rocks(morians) is 8-10 inch's. of a sandy soil. (thats is where after 6 years of searching I found my 1st meteorite 4-9-2011) There are not that many glacier rocks, But a few, But also since 4-9. I found 2 fluted clovis points, in the same mix(there 10-14,000 years old). and 40ty other artifacts in this 8-10' of soil. Now when I walk the hill side it gets very rocky, the soil now is only 4-6deep on the moriane, But guess what in this rocky area is where I found my second banged-up chondrite! (which is different from the 1st!) and my third un-fluted paleo point, about 12 feet away! Now let me tell you a secret I have discovered after walking these rolling hills (morianes) for 35 years. Less then 10% of the rocks even in the rocky areas are brown or black! What color are fresh chondrites.Black, what color are weathered chondrites, BROWN So to all new meteorites hunters, If you can spot the brown marbles in a bag of mixed multi-colored marbles, you can find meteorites even in the rocky hill side of a morianein ohio,indiana, and Illinoise that is. Now back to what I found, yes I am only guessing about there age, most of my UNWA stones are slices, end cuts of have very black fusion crust on them. What I found looks more weathered, So yes I still may be very wrong to there age. Also the glacier ice was 2-5 miles high, the bull-dozer moriane piles are at the bottom of the ice, How long did it take the ice to build befor its advance south, 100,150,000,YEARS? how many meteorites were traped in the ice during that time frame. ? So Norm, I was not talking about the meteorites on the ground before the glacier came, But common sense tells me that any meteorites IN THE ICE, when the ice melts, WILL BE ON TOP OF THE MORIANE. NOW FOR THE ID COMMENTS! 20 DEALERS ON HERE SALE, unwa-chondrites, I have got them and other meteorites from 4 of you. (they are 100%) gurenteed to be meteorites? So for what I know about rocks, in my area, and the pictures of what you all sold me, know that they are real meteorites! Now, after 6 years of searching for meteorites, only after 4-9-2011 Have I found 2 stones that, look like chondrites. There is now doubt that are both chondrites. There are NO OTHER ROCKS ON EARTH, THAT LOOK LIKE a L or H chondrite! so they do not have to be ID, but yes they do need to get classifide. Wow, I cannot waite to here the comments after I post photos of my 3 possiable achondrites I found on the same glacier morian. LOL Here are photos of the glacier moraine I am hunting, The 1st 4 photos are the more rocky hill side, the other photos are the top of the morine that have little rocks showing where I found the 1st meteorite http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.233863486630644.81086.102 09843157l=601eb88043 - Original Message From: Norm Lehrman nlehr...@nvbell.net To: Dave Myers whitefalcons...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com meteorite-list@meteoritecen tral.com Sent: Fri, June 10, 2011 9:08:35 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Illinois, Indiana, Ohio glacial deposits All, I fear this thread may be counter-productive for any that are just getting started in the search for meteorites. The glacier angle is, in this case, thin ice. First, Antarctica is a very special case: in general glacial moraines are an absolutely horrible place to look. I'm with
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Re: [meteorite-list] 99 Luft-bottles - sitting in my cabinet drawer
I use vials too, but because I don't have a display cabinet, I keep them in cigar boxes. On 2:47:03 am 04/29/11 Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Martin, Thanks for the kind words. Now that you mention it, it is sort of steampunkish, I like that. :) Unfortunately, nobody ever gets to see this collection of vials. The drawers stay hidden inside my specimen cabinet. At one time, I had the little vials out on a display shelf, and I loved how that looked. But, over time, the number of vials grew beyond what the little shelf could hold. I would have installed another shelf, but now that my grandson turned two, I figured it was best to pick them up and keep them stored safely away - out of his curious reach. All it took was for me to imagine him bumping into the shelf and dozens of little glass vials falling onto the floor and breaking, with hammer falls and exotic crumbs scattered all over the room. LOL Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=156 4 -- -- On 4/28/11, Dark Matter freequa...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Mike, The bottles and corks makes me think of what happens when a 21st century meteorite collection collides with a steampunk enthusiast. A great retro display! -Martin On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 6:52 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.comwrote: Hi List, I finished converting my micromount storage from 3ml glass vials to 5ml glass vials - the latter have a larger storage capacity and have a wider neck to accomodate larger fragments. I keep most of my tiny frags, crumbs, and dust in these glass vials. As of now, I have 2 drawers filled with about 48 bottles each - this holds the majority of my micromount inventory. On average, each vial will hold about 2-5g of material, depending on the size of the fragments. I like these small bottles because they are air-tight, compact, and they let me see the contents at a glance. I also like the old school look of glass with corks. On the right is the NWA drawer, which holds all of my NWA micros. On the left is the drawer that holds named finds and falls (or non-NWA Saharans) -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[meteorite-list] OT: I have always said, show me the bones
http://www.palaeo-electronica.org/2009_1/149/index.html This article explores a very good sampling which will put an end to the K-T boundary impactor theory. I have said all along, show me bones just below or at that boundary, but no one has. The best evidence was some 15 cm below and that was tracks. Fossil bones seem to fall off the rock record meters below the K-T boundary. This does support some experts who find decreasing species count towards the end of the Cretaceous. Instead, we find bones well above the K-T boundary and well within the reach of the predicted blast and flash from the impactor. No need for nuclear winter thoughts here like might be presented for China. It is because of all the other experts (almost all of whom are not palaeontologists, and many are in fact, astrophysicists! who know nothing at all about dinosaurs or fossils and used micro-marine fossils and calculations to substantiate their claims) that all the world now believes a large impactor killed off all the dinosaurs. This my friends is a prime example of camp science. Where people divide themselves into camps to support what must be the answer, without mind you, a concerted effort by all members to present a cautious and responsible accounting to the general populace. Even though there were very real and solid science behind those that found no evidence to prove an impactor killed all the dinosaurs off, the world was convinced by non-palaeontologists that the impactor did kill them off. Let us hope that follies like this happen no more, because egg on the face of world class scientists just helps those who believe in young earth. Thanks Mark Ferguson __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Not Weston?!
wrong image by an uninformed reporter who took lots of photos? Doubt that is an H4 On 11:58:41 am 01/18/11 drtanuki drtan...@yahoo.com wrote: Dear List, It appears that this is not Weston as labeled;maybe not even a meteorite? http://www.thedailyweston.com/news/weston-meteor-was-almost-lost-scien ce Comments anyone? Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Paleogene Dinosaurs ???
guess that shoots down a lot of ideas about that K-T boundary event that killed dinosaurs with fire storms and blast waves. On 2:34:16 pm 01/15/11 Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net wrote: A new paper about the direct dating of dinosaur bones, has been published online in advanced of its publication in âGeology.â It is: Fassett, J. E., L. M. Heaman, and A. Simonetti, 2011, Direct U-Pb dating of Cretaceous and Paleocene dinosaur bones, San Juan Basin, New Mexico. Geology, first published on January 5, 2011, doi:10.1130/G31466.1 http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/early/2011/01/05/G31466.1.abstract http://geology.gsapubs.org/content/current Based on such dating, they argue that within the area of what is now New Mexico, dinosaurs survived the K-P impact and became extinct within the Paleogene. Yours, Paul Heinrich __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction!
And only $81.00 for shipping!!! What a deal from The Vortex Man On 1:13:30 pm 01/12/11 Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Wow, they are smoke and pet free. I bet museums will be scampering to get one. He stated, don't be fooled by imitations. It is kind of like saying if you eat one hamburger, you can have another one free or if you don't know where you are going, you could end up somewhere else. It reminds me of the infamous Galaxy Meteorites. I thought some of the auctions houses were pretty descriptive but this guy's Sedona-Arizona, UFO, Alien, Red, Rock Votex, Stone Geodes take the prize. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: John Teague volg...@icx.net To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Rock Hounds I rockhou...@lists.drizzle.com; RockFossils rocksandfoss...@yahoog roups.com Sent: Wed, January 12, 2011 4:13:20 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] You may want to check out this auction! I did not want to be the only one that had a shot a getting these! Sikhote-Alin Meteorite Basic Information http://cgi.ebay.com/Sedona-Arizona-UFO-Alien-Red-Rock-Vortex-Stone-GEO DES-/330518468773?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0hash=item4cf46f98a5 John in even snowier Knoxville __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy holidays!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Not a missile -- a jet contrail
Naw, Meg W. On 6:19:35 pm 11/10/10 Ted Bunch tbe...@cableone.net wrote: Not a meteorite, Nancy Pelosi. Ted On 11/10/10 10:55 AM, Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com wrote: Probably a fed up meteorite leaving Earth for the Moon or Mars. Chris. Spratt Victoria, BC __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Missle or Aircraft Controversy Resolved?
even old missiles like the Nike left the launch rail at multi-mach speeds...the chances of an ATC seeing it long enough to think it might be a problem are slim since it would have been at a close to vertical climb. The military would have been instructed to just ignore or watch it, depending on their individual functions. Since it looks like it might have been off Point Magoo, I'd suspect it was a Navy test shot. On 8:48:30 pm 11/10/10 Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, If this was truly a ballistic missile, wouldn't it show up on the radars of every air-traffic control tower and weather doppler for hundreds of miles around? It doesn't seem like an epic investigation to reconcile the known air-traffic in the area at the time and any radar signatures that were detected. A plane and a missile would have very different flight paths, so it should be relatively easy (for qualified persons) to determine what it is. Let's pretend this contrail was a bolide trail instead. Where is the nearest doppler station? Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone Meteorite Top List - http://meteorite.gotop100.com EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=156 4 -- - On 11/10/10, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Dear List, Those of us who insisted the subject trail was from a missle appear to have some heavy duty support. This has just been released internationally. But Doug Richardson, the editor of Janes Missiles and Rockets, examined the video for the Times of London and said he was left with little doubt. Its a solid propellant missile, he told the Times. You can tell from the efflux [smoke]. Richardson said it could have been a ballistic missile launched from a submarine or an interceptor, the defensive anti-missile weapon used by Navy surface ships--- Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BLM and Forest Service Maps...
I can only agree...it's a black market around the world On 5:40:17 pm 11/04/10 michael cottingham voyagebotan...@hotmail.com wrote: Hello, I live with the Gila National Forest starting in my backyard and know very well the policies the Forest Service and BLM use in map revising. Starting about 30 years ago all government agencies were directed to delete every archeological and historical site OFF the maps where ever possible. Old trails going to cliff dwellings and archeological sites were left off the maps starting in the late 70's. Trails were rerouted away from sites as well. Looting and mindless destruction of these sites were the reasons. One way to find these sites is to find OLD Forest Service maps from the 1940's to the 1960's. I collect these old maps for my area and it is unbelievable what has been left out. In one map alone...when comparing to a modern map, over 300 archeological sites have been omitted! I am not saying this is badand since the world has changed in a lot of bad ways it makes since. Best Wishes Michael Cottinghamhttp://stores.ebay.com/voyage-botanica-natural-histo ry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD - shame on you!
I wonder how many of the do-gooders would give a $1.00 bill to the school if they found it on their lot just saying On 2:28:23 am 09/22/10 Pete Pete rsvp...@hotmail.com wrote: Hi, Steve and List, Would that apply to municipal roads, too? My perspective, which will likely be argued wrong, is it's public land... Cheers, Pete Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:20:13 -0700 From: steve.dunk...@yahoo.com To: tricottetc...@live.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] AD - shame on you! If you have a meteorite found on the school parking lot it belongs to the school! Was the school or local government paid for the stone?schools by law are state land and the state would be the owner. Give it back to the school. Steve On Tue Sep 21st, 2010 4:46 PM EDT The Tricottet Collection wrote: Dear list, I have several specimens with in situ pictures available for sale or trade: * Villalbeto de la Pena, full slice of 3.3 grams * Holbrook fragments from 2007 find featured in Meteorite magazine (~40 grams) * Ash Creek stone of 5.5 grams * Ash Creek stone of 29.2 grams * Mifflin crusted fragment of 1.2 grams, found on Iowa Grant School parking lot Also 15 shergottites, paired with NWA 2975 (total 6+ grams) most pictures here: http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/catalog_m et.html Thank you A.M. The Tricottet Collection of Natural History Specimens (Minerals, Fossils Meteorites) www.thetricottetcollection.com Facebook: The Tricottet Collection Twitter: TricottetColl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list- archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list- archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Saw Blades
Hi List I don't often weigh in on subjects, but cutting irons has long been an issue. The best I've seen cutting any metal, is a bandsaw. And, if money isn't an object, check out the custom made saws for opal slicing. Might be an answer in those for quantity cutting with a little modification. Mark Ferguson __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: New Lunars
good for rock collections, what a diverse range of rocks. sure didn't see anything that came from beyond the surface of the earth though. On 4:43:06 pm 04/23/10 Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com wrote: Wow! I'm not sure where this guy lives, but I would assume that he resides close to a river bank! I have about 18 tons of that stuff in my back yard! Ha! Actually I gave Bob Haag a coaster that I made out of a river rock that looks more lunar that this fella's stuff... We can just hope that a future meteorite fan doesn't get burned. Dennis P.S. If anyone searching in Livingston happens to search the Rock Church Cemetery, my Wife would like a photo of F.Hugh Livingston And maybe Grace Livingston's gravesite. They are her Great Great Grandparents. Thanks! From: cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 10:34:33 -0500 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Fwd: New Lunars On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 08:48:26 -0500, you wrote: http://uncometeorites.shutterfly.com/ Well, the guy DOES appear to be a lunar-tic, so he may be on to something! __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list- archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ The New Busy is not the old busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T :WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_3 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-arc hives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] anyone in CO check out the rock that fell from the sky with a woosh?
Just watched the video on MSN and wondered if anyone in CO has checked this out. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp=36147346#36147346 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] L'aigle and other meteorite names... just how do you say it?
http://www.upi.com/Science_News/Resource-Wars/2010/03/19/Study-Climate-stress-killed-dinosaurs/UPI-49171269025560/ Study: Climate stress killed dinosaurs Published: March. 19, 2010 at 3:06 PM By STEFAN NICOLA, UPI Europe Correspondent BERLIN, March 19 (UPI) -- Severe climate change, and not a meteorite, was the main reason behind the mass extinction of the dinosaurs and other species 65 million years ago, a new study concludes. Conducted by scientists from Germany, Switzerland and the United States, the study takes into account climate, geological and paleontological data collected during several drillings near Brazos River in Texas. We have come up with completely new data that are poised to change the interpretation of this time in history, one of the scientists, Michael Prauss of Berlin's Free University, told United Press International in a telephone interview Friday. The main reason for the mass extinction were massive climatic changes that began long before the meteorite hit. This directly contrasts a study published this month in the journal Science, which claims that a meteorite crashing into Earth at Chicxulub on Mexico's Yucatan Peninsula was the sole cause for the mass dying and that no climate shifts occurred ahead of the meteorite impact. These claims have to at least be questioned now in light of the new findings, he said, adding that the meteorite impact brought additional stress into an already stressed system. But it was only the last straw. Together with Gerta Keller, a paleontologist at Princeton University, and other scientists from Germany and Switzerland, Prauss concluded that severe climate change -- periods of extreme warming and cooling coupled with sea level changes -- started roughly 1 million years before the meteorite hit. The climate shifts, likely sparked by severe volcanic activity in the Deccan Traps in what now is India, became more extreme as years passed. The meteorite impact only worsened an already catastrophic climate, Prauss said. Then began Earth's biggest mass dying. The extinction wiped out more than half of all species on the planet, including the dinosaurs, bird-like pterosaurs and large marine reptile. It cleared the way for the success story of the mammals. If the vast majority of climate scientists is to be believed, humans are currently facing a similarly crucial junction. While Prauss didn't want to compare the climate change forecast for the next centuries to that of the the Cretaceous-Tertiary era, he said mankind is technically able to survive dinosaur-era-like climate stress. Because of his intellect, man is able to adapt to a changing climate, he said. But he has to take concrete measures to adapt, to protect himself, and he has to take them early on before it's too late. © 2010 United Press International, Inc. All Rights Reserved. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] forgot to change the subject line
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[meteorite-list] Martian-Fossil-Meteorite-containing-fossil
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Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected
Isn't this a little fun speculating since in all probability all our last names will be historic nomenclature by the time anything from this object reaches us? Of course, it spoils and dashes all the hopes of those hoping for then end of the world in two years? Mark Ferguson On 5:26:06 pm 01/07/10 countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Sterling, Larry and List, So, am I right in assuming that a GRB as close as a 1000 parsecs would result in the production of massive amounts of nitrous oxides in the atmosphere ...and ...and... we will laugh ourselves to death? Guido -Original Message- From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Sent: Jan 7, 2010 6:46 AM To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: countde...@earthlink.net, meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected Hi Sterling: Thanks for researching that. This is the problem of a press release that is not followed up with what probably actually went on at the actual session where the paper was presented. Larry Dear Count, and Listoids, Another story: http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-01/star-verge-supern ova-could-threaten-life-earth And another: http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/T_Pyxidis_Soon_To_Be_A_Type_Ia_S upernova_999.html And another: http://www.astronomy.com/asy/default.aspx?c=aid=8944 All taken from the same press release, you will note. And all equally in error about The End Of All Life As We Know It. It's a math mistake: However, Dr. Sion's calculations were challenged by Prof. Alex Fillipenko who said that Sion had possibly miscalculated the damage that could be caused by a T Pyxidis supernova. He had used data for a far more deadly gamma-ray burst (GRB) exploding 3,260 light-years from Earth, not a supernova, and T Pyxidis certainly isn't expected to produce a GRB. According to an another expert, A supernova would have to be 10 times closer [to Earth] to do the damage described. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T_Pyxidis Information about nearby supernovas of the recent past: http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/06jan_bubble.htm The truth is a supernova would be disastrous at 25 light years away (not 3260). 50 light years away and it would cause some damage, although it's hard to say how much. 100 light years away and it would be the action movie of all time but you might worry that you sat too near to the screen. There are two kinds (strengths) of supernovas. For the Big One, I'd want to sit further away than the 300 Light Year Line But 3260 light years? Fergettabouttit! Now, I can go to bed without worrying about a darn Supernova... It's always something. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 1:18 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Death Star Story - Link corrected Sorry List, Here is corrected link re previous Death Star post. Count Deiro http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2795981/Supernova-may-w ipe-out-the-Earth.html __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites Competition
I liked the comment about suits siting around a board table like is done with oil and gold. That is such an one sided way of doing commerce (some old fuddy siting at a table with his country's flag in his hand agreeing to pay x dollars for a commodity that he makes so much anyway, he could care less how it affects those at the bottom of the wage scales, where is the free enterprise, yet men just like this run our lives. Keeping that mentality out of meteorites goes a long long way, and dealing with the principles (those who actually find the meteorites) will do more for keeping the science and hobby alive than most could see. I find it harsh and wrong to pay a middleman a high price when he has undercut or misled the finder. By the same token, without some middlemen, we wouldn't have many finds and they would have been dumped on the ground as a waste of time and the strewn field forgotten about. Keeping things real and in perspective are important. Mark Ferguson On November 15, 7:03 pm Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Well said Eric. I agree 110%. You said it much better than I did in my reply. There are two sides to everything, especially in the realm of business. And that is a core issue here - we are not just dealing with collecting, science, or trading. There is a marriage of personal collecting, science, and business for profit at work in the meteorite world. Different people are drawn to meteorites for a wide variety of reasons. No single group can represent all of those interests. Speaking just for myself, the IMCA does not represent me, but I do appreciate the good work they do to maintain the integrity of the market. I don't like the idea of a bunch of suits sitting around a table and contriving reasons to expand their influence. Whenever that happens, the average person is one who ends up losing out. IMO, the meteorite market polices itself very well. This List is a good example of that fact - despite some of the complaints about some of the personalities involved. If a meteorite is stolen, it is announced quickly on this List. If a trader misrepresents a specimen or pulls a scam, this List will hear about it. If the scammer is an IMCA member, then there is recourse. If the scammer uses PayPal, then there is recourse. If the scammer uses eBay, then there is recourse as well. People who are dishonest in their practices are quickly labelled as such and their reputations are ruined in this small world of meteorites. I can think of at least 2 major meteorite players who have become persona non grata during my short time of about 2 years on this List. In addition to this List, we have at least 2 other meteorite discussion forums that are active with high traffic - and all of them are populated by IMCA and MS members (and a bunch of good folks who aren't members of either group). The same people who are not welcome on this List would find themselves unwelcome in those places as well. I do think the meteorite market needs more consistency and structure, but we don't need an invitation-only club to make the decisions. Best regards and clear skies, MikeG On 11/15/09, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Hi Adam, I'm curios what you mean by corporate involvement when it concerns meteorites? With regards to the IMCA I am in partial agreement, and believe they are a good organization, and needed in this industry. But some restraint needs to be had with regard to the influence that these types of groups have. Historically speaking such groups tend to lean toward their own motives over time. There has been no organization in the history of man that has not given in, at least partially, to the temptation such influence. If you mean some sort of sponsorship of certain outreach and educational programs geared toward teaching children and young adults about astronomy and meteorites then I'm game. But if corporate involvement means losing the personality and integrity of the meteorite world through increased tampering by larger groups and politically or profit motivated companies who might in future times limit the publics access to meteorites then I'm not for that at all. This is a slippery slope... My personal beliefs are that people should have free access to the knowledge and information that meteorites and astronomy provides. The word corporate to me means restrictive for profit, and an example would be the corporate mentality of profit before people. I'm not necessarily referring to monetary profit, but rather to the increased influence particular groups may have over access to knowledge and information through the study of meteorites by individuals and the limited access that some scientific institutions have applied to certain collections. Collections that in my opinion every human being on the planet should have
Re: [meteorite-list] new fall RICH friday 13 / 11/2009; ; 21.25 cmt
could there be a cloud of objects that Earth's orbit flys through? On November 15, 5:33 pm michael cottingham mikew...@gilanet.com wrote: That is Great News Go Get em! Michael Cottingham On Nov 15, 2009, at 10:22 AM, habibi abdelaziz wrote: hi guys each time of this year october and november we have a fall, it look it's a cyclique falls with the rotation of earth in a precise time and space with a small incertitude of a month, it fells over rich 20 km north est, ITS CONFIRMED ? more news to fallow, thanks aziz habibi font style=BACKGROUND-COLOR:#40; face=comic sans mshabibi aziz box 70 erfoud 52200 morroco phone. 21235576145 fax.21235576170/font __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pitiful excuse for a meteorite hunter Carl Esparza
Mike, I'm unsure what he's hunting, meteorites or vehicles...might want to look into lowjack or something. Never can tell, eh? Mark On July 17, 5:56 pm Michael Farmer meteorite...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello list, I was forwarded an email that Carl Esparza, proud IMCA member, sent to some other Arizona residents. IMCA, do you approve of your members, supposedly the people of the highest integrity he, he,he he, stooping to spying on other people? Is there any action that can be taken on this matter. This shows how pitiful some of these people are, too lazy to do their own homework, and so deceitful that they will resort to pitiful spying on other list members rather than do their homework. This type of crap is EXACTLY why you are not welcome. Take this hint, learn how to hunt meteorites and stop trying to worm your way in. It takes work to find a meteorite, not scams. Hello, Would any of you fellow Arizonians share with me off-List what kind of vehicle Mike Farmer drives. Hint- I have been hunting the Benson area Fall and don't know what kind or color of cars to look for. I promise to share results if any. Thank you. Carl Esparza IMCA 5829 Meteoritemax __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Auctions ending a couple days
I have a few auctions up on Ebay if your interested. http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/refamat_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_sopZ12 Mark Ferguson __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tunguska Questions
Good question Eric But, in such a location that is forested, or was until the forest was flattened, I'd suspect that activities by creature would be much less than the yearly fall of needles and leaves, freezing and thawing, rain and wind. with rain and wind causing the most relocation or covering up of impactites and their craters or resting spots. Mark Ferguson On May 15, 5:16 pm Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: Hi all, In regard to Tunguska and bioturbation. Paul H's post on bioturbation brings up an interesting question. The first expedition led by Leonid Kulik to Tunguska in 1927 to study the devastation and search for meteorites happened 19 years AFTER the event in 1908, (He had an earlier expedition in 1921 but wasn't successful in reaching the epicenter until 1927). 19 years is a LONG time for meteorites in the forested and swampy environment full of little critters, insects, and plants that could bury any stones. How deep can meteorites be buried in 19 years of snow, rain storms, mudslides, spring melt, critters, ants, termites, and other animals? Could bioturbation be one cause for the failed attempts to recover meteorites at Tunguska? You also have to take into account Leonid Kulik's mindset at the time. He was thinking that meteorites would be directly beneath the blast at the epicenter. Which made sense. Would he be looking for meteorites 10-40 miles away from the epicenter? He attributed the circular swampy bogs to craters formed by the meteorite impacts, which unfortunately turned out to be incorrect. Did he search for meteorites only under the epicenter? How far from the epicenter did his search area expand? Were there other expeditions to Tunguska to search in the 10-40 mile ring from the epicenter? Most scientists believe that the sheer force and energy of the blast at Tunguska event vaporized every trace of the meteoroid explaining that this is why there are no fragments to be recovered. This obviously makes sense, but would EVERYTHING be vaporized? Take a look at the accepted theory of Chixulub and the extinction of the dinosaurs. This widely accepted theory is now being challenged. Perhaps we should look at Tunguska again, in a new light. I am just wondering something out loud here about the Tunguska event. Yesterday I sent a load of links and questions and surprisingly got no response. Come on, this is the largest meteorite related blast in recent recorded history. So I'll will ask again. Is it possible that there are in fact meteorites that survived the Tunguska event by being blasted away much further from the epicenter than previously thought? Below is a copy of my post about some questions I had on Tunguska in yesterday's post. ---ORIGINAL POST- Hi Listees, Recently there's been more interest in the Tunguska event. More scientists are trying to explain it, and some are even looking at a lake near the blasts epicenter believing that this is the missing crater. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6239334.stm Photo of Lake Cheko: http://a52.g.akamaitech.net/f/52/827/1d/www.space.com/images/070626_la ke_cheko_02.jpg A witness in Vanovara (36 Miles SE of the epicenter) said in O. Richard Norton's Rocks From Space The crash was followed by noise like stones falling from the sky, or guns firing. and when I lay on the ground I covered my head because I was afraid that stones might hit it. We all know too well that witness reports aren't ideal information but useful anyway. But, how would this person know to say that there was a noise like stones falling unless that were the case? Or did the witnesses report become tainted after countless interviews? How many times was this witness interviewed? I know people have searched for meteorites under and around the epicenter area. But what if this was a stony meteoroid, and the explosion blasted meteorite pieces 30-50 miles away. The devastation this explosion caused is evidence that it was one hell of a blast and was on par with a nuclear explosion. YouTube Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiXpp-i442s Donald Yoemans (JPL) states in the History Channel video that this blast was 15 megatons of equivalent energy roughly 1000 times that of the Hiroshima blast. VERY COOL ARTIST RENDERING: http://svidea.us/misha/image/tunguska2.jpg Photos of Devastation: http://astro.wsu.edu/worthey/astro/html/im-meteor/tunguska-photo.jpg http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ad/Tunguska.png http://www.wilsonsalmanac.com/images1/tunguska3.jpg http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_tu3.gif Artist Rendering: http://aura.gaia.com/photos/34/338910/large/tunguska -1.jpg Area Map: http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_tunguska1.gif Blast Damage Area: http://www.world-mysteries.com/sci_tu2.gif When you factor in all this information, how come people aren't looking 30-40 miles away for debris from this
[meteorite-list] AD - ebay
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[meteorite-list] AD - ebay auctions ending
Dear List Members, I have some auctions ending this weekend of some cutting specks of historic and rare falls. If you would like to check them out: http://shop.ebay.com/merchant/refamat_W0QQ_nkwZQQ_armrsZ1QQ_fromZQQ_mdoZQQ_sopZ12 Mark Ferguson __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] West TX slices-big surface area, oriented stone
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Re: [meteorite-list] Lucky Canadian Meteorite!
She's a grad student, there's no chance she'll stay good looking once she gets her post hole digger degree. - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 10:22 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Lucky Canadian Meteorite! What are the chances of surviving atmospheric passage, landing on a frozen lake (not going to the bottom) and be recovered and admired by a young girl that looks like that? Geesh! I'm jealous. Mike G. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.9.11/1820 - Release Date: 11/29/2008 6:52 PM __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealers posting eBay auction announcements
On September 30, 6:48 pm michael cottingham There is no way I am going to put a $500.00 specimen out on ebay for 0.99 cents, without multiple announcements for the week. I am not in the business to give meteorites away for nothing. I hope this helps some Best Wishes Michael Cottingham That cuts Michael, cuts real deep...:) __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] spmeone had a great 4th sometime, what a photo!
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Re: [meteorite-list] Moldavite Update
Greetings Doug and List There may be a non-destructive test that isn't as costly as a microprobe for tektites. XRF was used by the Geology Archaeology departments at WWU to check a flake (known artifact) against normally prepard XRF samples for composition similarities (for tracing the source outcropping of the material that flake was made of). This proved to be a viable alternative to destructive testing of artifacts, as long as exact results were not required and a relatively flat surface could be presented to the XRF and the sample would fit into the recepticle. It was thought that XRD would also work as well, given the same restrictions. Many universities would have these devices, as opposed to those that have microprobes. And it would be a matter of setting up a database with known trace elements/minerals and look for the same in the XRD or XRF results. Just a thought. Mark Ferguson On July 21, 8:55 pm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: John G. wrote: Since moldavites are made basically of the same material as green pop bottles, checking the refractive index of a faceted stone wouldn't turn up anything suspicious...looking for new technology to tell the difference between the fakes and the real stones. Hola John, List, Not as easy as looking at a Shirokovsky 'pallasite', either, where just one fake is well known. This seems a lot scarier than getting a synthetic diamond in place of a real one since an appreciation of history is what makes the glass authentic for the owner, like a winning game ball, and for the sake of science a confidence in it being of tektite origin necessary for future ability to study composition of a real sample is at stake. In the case of tektites, unless you have the ability to make non-destructive measurements with expensive microprobes, I guess the technique of choice will need to hinge on the difference tektites have over man-made glasses: low water content. Water has major IR absorbance peaks at 3550, 3425, 3295, 1630 and 1455 /cm. An appropriately set IR analyzer at one or more of these frequencies ought to be able to able to make a positive identification vs. other glasses (and confirming your refractive index wouldn't hurt at all). While I've never done these types of IR measurements in glasses, it would seem that all you just need to watch out for would be humidity, and to know your sample path length reasonably. Other tests would rely more on variable criteria depending on recognizing characteristics of the fake, sometimes easy, but sometime not. Tektites should yield about 0.001% to 0.03% water, with moldavites a very typical 0.01% (100 ppm). I don't know what % water recast glass from coke bottles, etc., but I am guessing it would be much higher unless great pressures and long times in the casting furnace were used. Anyone know the solubility of water in glass at melt conditions? I'm guessing - 10 - 100 times that amount? Saludos, Doug (where the neighborhood streets are still a grid of rivers, in the aftermath of the fight between Emily and our mountains. Emily lost decisively as her Eye passed 80 km south.) It is refreshing to see water under the USD 50,000,000 bridge we just built over the otherwise dry riverbed. The collosal bridge is a copy of the one in Rotterdam for our inland city nicknamed City of Mountains nestled in the Sierra Madre:). __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] WD-40
Greetings List For the longest time now, I have heard that WD-40 contains water and must not be used on meteorites. Well, I got an email about its uses and decided to follow up since its susposed to stand for water displacement - 40th formula. Pretty much, that was the chemist's intentions too! So, upon aquiring a MSDS for the aerosol, I see that there is indeed, no water in it. There is a hydrotreated heavy mineral oil, and this is what may be throwing people off. Hydrotreated oils (according to my chemist here at the refinery) means that an oil is treated with hydrogen to remove sulfurs. And it does not involve water. So my question to all those that say it does have water in it, how does water displace water? I believe WD-40 is a possible safe treatment from what I can find out for meteorites. Any comments? Mark Ferguson __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WD-40
This is interesting and I should address this with the makers then since the MSDS states that WD-40 is made from naptha and hydrotreated heavy mineral oil. It may be the accessory ingredients which are inert which cause this problem. I'll get back to the list once I have an answer from the company. But, I like your gun oil idea also. But am worried about the smell. How does it react with poly bags and the styrene type storage/display boxes? Mark On June 2, 4:59 pm AL Mitterling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mark and all, WD40 is basically kerosene but refined. We had discussions many years back about this oil for use on meteorites. What was determine back then if I remember right, was that some batches of WD40 were OK but others batches contained more water in it. People had both good luck and bad luck depending if they got a batch with water in it or not. If it is made from Kerosene then I can understand why it could contain water (every burn a kerosene heater? Humidity goes up!). I just know that some people who used it had rusting problems with it. I personally use Sheath gun oil as it displaces moisture very well. It smells terrible but seems to work good. Any oil used SHOULD NOT CONTAIN CHLORIDES as those will cause major rusting problems. Perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me can address this issue. --AL __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] WD-40
Hello Nicholas and list Here is the email I got back from the people who make it. Dear Mark, WD-40 does not contain any water. Best regards, Eva Zabowski Consumer Relations WD-40 Company __ Now, this isn't an endorsment to use it, or to negate anything already said. Its just what the maker says. Which kinda re-enforces the MSDS on the product. As far as evaporation goes, well, thats a known from deck treatments which contain parafins (mineral oils) which evaporate in about 18 months according to the US Forestry Department (I attended a seminar years ago). So, its also safe to think that opther products may have limited lifespans if they contain any parafins as well. Got some good info going here folks! I'm happy with the results and will munch on some chocolate cookies as I digest the info, thanks Mark Ferguson On June 2, 6:41 pm Nicholas Gessler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some old memories of WD-40 from my museum conservation days. But you had better check these out with from source: It is made from fish oil. It contains a lacquer, which remains after the oils depart, which might be helpful for meteorite preservation but which gums up fine lubricating jobs like clocks and watches. Of course, any moisture that does creep in underneath a lacquer will find a most hospitable environment for rust. It shouldn't be too difficult to build an acrylic or plexi enclosure from which air might be purged and replaced by inert nitrogen. Nylon fittings are available at most hardware stores. Cheers, Nick __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Fireball
Happy Thanksgiving List Just curious if any news of a fireball or meteorite was reported for south central Kentucky yesterday (Nov 24). I was driving west on the Cumberland Pkwy and at 17:56 I saw a fireball, not terribly large or colorful, but very bright. No noticable smoke trail, it was getting dark, but saw the extinguish point and a possible puff of smoke like maybe it might have burst. but then the background of storm clouds obsured everything. It did appear to be entering at a very steep angle. Just wondering if anything has come to light. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Soggy-Bottom Boys
Hi List Hope you guys realize that in the deep south, theres another gopher and hit taint a rodent. Might want to take into account the southern vernacular so folks don't misunderstand and go after youse for ettin a critter thats on that thar fedral list. Kentucki good ol'boy On November 24, 5:57 pm JKGwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mr Freeman, I certainly hope you aren't insinuating that your gophers are better tasting than those here in the REAL Soggy Boggy Bottom Land. Our fire roasted gophers have been rated number one and we have the statistics to prove it. Just ask all of our returning customers. We're not trying to make a profit on our BBQd rodents, we only want to recover our costs from doing research about preserving and documenting gopher villages. Recently, we found out that GV244 (Gopher Village 244) and GV 251 are probably one and the same. However, the truth may never be told because some gopher hunter don't report the real locations of their finds. Soggy-Boggy-Bottom Boy#2 PS...our soggy bottoms are also rated #1 At 07:55 AM 11/24/2004, David Freeman wrote: Dear List, Soggy-Bottom Boys; I am truly moved by your candor! Bernd made the point, and you have successfully satirized the foolishness of a couple very non-important issues. I offer a strong heartfelt BRAVO to Bernd, Dave, the two Johns, and would like to be on the dapper dan list and share gopher with you all's! ...or at least engage the intellectual stimulating conversationif any arises there delbert! Mine are not any better than u'ns, my river rocks that is, Green River has soggy bottoms and wonderfully tasty gophers too, Dave F. JKGwilliam wrote: I think this gets my vote for Post of the Week! Thanks to Dave for offering to share his Soggy Bottom-Boggy-Bottom meteorites with us. I have personally seen these wonderful stones and can attest to their pedigree...they are real Soggy-Boggy-Bottoms. Uh.speaking of that EX of yours Dave.uhdo you have a phone number for her;-) JKG At 10:14 PM 11/23/2004, DNAndrews wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you think one or more of our list members is a a little bit off or just plain whacky, then think again when one compares such folks to the seller, buyer and believers of this crap. I'm usually just a lurker, but all this Soggy-Boggy-Bottom Meteorite stuff has me in an uproar. Maybe they want to just share a gopher-on-a-stick or sing into a can . It just makes me just want to know why exactly they are here on this list cramming their crapola down our throat. Stellar grainswhat rock doesn't have those. For any Soggy-Bottom Meteorites...just come to my house. I have an entire backyard full of those critters and would very much like to get rid of them. Come on and haul them off at NO charge. My EX expected me to landscape the backyard with all these Martian and Lunar wonders, but she left and...oh wellnever got done. Now they are taking up room for OUR garden and I'll give them all away for free No million-dollars-per-gramabsolutely free. Get them out of my yard and they are yours for FREE No offer refused... Can we get back on track to METEORITES instead of who has the best eBay rating and talking about RIVER rocks!?!?!?!?!?! That's exactly what the Soggy-Bottom-Boys are sellingcommon river rocks. For me and Bernd Dave (Might as well sue me too shisters ) __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status?
fulguritic? given a sighting of a smoking trail and smoldering pieces of basaltic glass with sand inside, sounds like some atmospheric event - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Hi Mike, Mike and List, The Elma material is definitely not a meteorite, so to speak. It could prove to be just as or more interesting to the scientific community. The jury is still out on exactly what this material is or how it was created. The initial lab results created more questions than answers. As has been reported this material consist of sand incased in a basaltic glass shell. The materials in the glass are not separated into swirls so what ever created these objects had a huge amount of energy and the glass was quenched very rapidly. Experiments are being conducted to see how these might have been created. We should have more answers by next week. This is looking more like an X-files episode than a meteor sighting. For now, we are keeping an open mind regarding this material. All the best, Adam and Greg Hupe - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Mike, forget about this one, there is not a chance in hell that a meteorite was recovered there. Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: Mike Groetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2003 12:35 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Elma Status? Everyone- Is this all said and done with or is the jury still out with any maybe's? Thanks, Mike __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! SiteBuilder - Free, easy-to-use web site design software http://sitebuilder.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Gelatinous Blobs found in Oakville
Just like the nerve gas foopah in Utah? - Original Message - From: tracy latimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Gelatinous Blobs found in Oakville Oh, for Pete's sake... having watched the paranoid delusions develop on Zetatalk about Planet X, and the Natinal Gubbmint Conspeeracee to conceal mind-altering Chemtrails, I hereby stamp this one with the Flying Pig award for Dumbness. Government conspiracy coverup -- film at 11. Tracy Latimer From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [meteorite-list] Gelatinous Blobs found in Oakville Date: Thu, 24 Jul 2003 15:01:12 -0700 Dear List Members, This might explain Earl from Oakville's email. Oakville is very much like Area 51 according to these reports and it is only 14 miles from Elma. Black helicopters and Biological Warfare seemed to be popular subjects in Oakville. These are must see web-site links below: http://www.rense.com/ufo/flubber.htm http://www.zetatalk.com/theword/tword05m.htm http://www.chemtrailcentral.com/unsolved.shtml http://www.mt.net/~watcher/blobs.html All the Best, Adam __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Eisen-shale - Off Topic
you should see the word for RF (radio frequency), its literally a string of words describing what it is Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Cool Eisen-shale - Off Topic Bernd, Being from the hills myself...my natural dumb-looked-on-my-face response would be something like... So, collecting meteorites is like collecting long, but different German words...then trading them on occasion when you have part-word duplicates? At least Mark Twain thought so. The German words really are scary looking. I'm always inpressed with anyone who knows more than plane yold inglish like me. As always Bernd...thanx for sharing! John Hi Walter, Bob, Norbert and List, Gotta get this off my chest before heading for the bunk: The German term would be Scheinmeteorit - alles klar ;-? Does this translate back into English like that: all-clear shining meteorite ??? Schrecklicheschlackestienen sounds familiar, too, Oh, I see: shriekly slagstons although you won't find it in any dictionary... So let's publish one ... it's now or never ... Where have I heard these words before ? :-)) Enjoying my first day of summer our vacations here ! Off to bed before it's too led ... sorry late ... Bernd P.S.: After visiting Germany, Mark Twain once wrote in 1879 about The Awful German Language: These things are not words, they are alphabetical processions. And they are not rare; one can open a German newspaper any time and see them marching majestically across the page - and if he has any imagination he can see the banners and hear the music, too. They impart a martial thrill to the meekest subject. Whenever I come across a good one, I stuff it and put it in my museum. In this way I have made quite a valuable collection. When I get duplicates, I exchange with other collectors, and thus increase the variety of my stock. From: A Tramp Abroad (by Mark Twain) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot]
At least it would be close to me this time. - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Greg Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2003 6:40 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [Fwd: Apparent Meteorite Lands In Elma High School Lot] I'd guess that if anyone is working on this new meteorite they're not going to show their hole card by going public with their plans. Just think how nice it might be to work a new strewn field without it becoming a circus like Park Forest. Best, John At 06:27 PM 7/16/03 -0700, Rob Wesel wrote: Are the Hupes in on this, Elma is their backyard? For that matter it's my backyard too but I'm not very enthusiastic about the story. -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of the Moon God
Don't you just hate when you get put on the spot like that? Doesn't matter how much you love them. Thats why meteorites are so cool, they don't ask questions, just keep them in a good environment and they last a long time without changing. Mark - Original Message - From: John Gwilliam [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ari machiz [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 11:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Origin of the Moon God It's sort of like this. My wife, who is a business professional, usually comes home from a day of shopping and drags me up to the bedroom to see the new clothes she had bought. Invariably, she will put on one of here new dresses, and ask, Honey, does this dress make me look fat? No matter which way you answer the question, it's the wrong answer. Dead wrong. You see, if I say yes, then I'm deader than a grasshopper in a chicken coop. If I say no, then the rest of the day is trashed after her first question fired back at me...so, what's that supposed to mean? Have a Good Weekend, John __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoric water?
Most current geology profs state that volcanic action accounts for most of earth's water since there isn't other sources which don't leave questions as to where other elements went. But of course, these profs can be wrong. - Original Message - From: Howard Wu To: meteorite-list Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2003 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteoric water? Sounds alittle like Venus, earth without the moon HWu"Sterling K. Webb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Dave,There is long standing debate as to the source of the Earth's waters.Did all this H2O come from interior outgassing, primordial solar nebulae,early heavy atmosphere, water delivery by comets? by meteorites? and so on.One hears (on this list especially) references to the notion that theEarth is essentially made from planetesimals which were essentially madefrom asteroidal rubble which were made from... You get the idea: that youcan approximate the Earth by just piling up sufficient jillions of tons ofchondrites. This is a very common notion in cosmology, even today.But if the Earth were nothing but compressed chondrites (and irons forthe core), it would have H2O oceans 200 to 300 kilometers deep, theatmosphere would contain 100 to 200 bars of carbon dioxide, the carboncontent of the Earth would be 1000 times greater than it is, with a graphitesurface and diamonds everywhere! Doesn't sound familiar.Everybody's geological textbook has a reference to a 1950 study by Rublythat is the standard source for the notion that the Earth's water isendogenous, but what he actually said is that all the proposed sources forwater only account for half of the Earth's water.And, water is removed throughout geologic time. It is lost by a varietyof atmospheric mechanisms (like photo dissociation in the high atmosphereand the escape of the hydrogen), so that however much water the Earth hasnow, it had to have had more in the far past, which only makes the problemworse.Anyway, cosmological geologists are always looking for more water fortheir model of the early Earth, so they've leaped on the "just a pile ofchondrites" model, with way too much water, and assumed that somehow 99% ofit was "lost." Nobody is very specific about just how you lose 99% of aplanet's water and dead silent about how you lose 99.9% of a planet's CARBONfor which there is no imagined removal mechanism whatsoever.Assumptions like these have a way of just sort of sliding along fromdecade to decade until everybody accepts them as true simply because theydon't think about them anymore.Does that help? Or make it worse?Sterling K. Webb--David Freeman wrote: Dear List, Geologic Associates; I came across the term "meteoric water" while reading up on pre-cambrian iron formations. Then, there was a relation to more modern/later times meteoric waters. Does this have any relationship to meteorites? Guess I am at maximum absorption level presently. Thank you in advance for any input, Dave Freeman _Meteorite-list mailing list[EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Want to chat instantly with your online friends?Get the FREE Yahoo! Messenger
Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list--------- PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING
Well, psuedo/bona fide dealers, and collection shufflers and trade fanatics, we're all, on this list interested in meteorites and thats how we should view it. Mark - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list- PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING Dear List, I guess I must be a meteorite dealer and a used car dealer too. I have sold over seven of my personal used cars the past few years trying to reduce overhead and the headaches of both insurance and maintenance. I do not think this qualifies me as a used car dealer. Just a thought. All the best, Adam - Original Message - From: Tim Heitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'David Freeman' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'meteorite-list' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] meteorite-list- PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING Hello Dave and List, A dealer is one who sells. My wife said to me in 1997 in Feb. at the Tucson show. It looks to me like they are all selling meteorite to each other are they all dealers. My answer was yes. Dave you must have noticed this too, because you did a cartoon once showing just that. A TRUE DEALER is one who sells, that's it. Part time or full time, classified, unclassified, long term , short term, fair pricing, PRICE FIXING what the market will bear, material prepared, material not prepared, its an open market. Let's not kid ourselves Take Care, Tim Heitz -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Freeman Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:31 PM To: meteorite-list Subject: Spam Alert: [meteorite-list] PSEUDO DEALERS AND PSEUDO JUDGING Dear List; A recent post seemed to repeatedly shuffle my quaff. How do we classify a dealer and why? If a person sells a few meteorites for money to buy more meteorites to add to his collection, is that a dealer? If a person like myself who sells a kilo or two a year to promote the hobby and make a buck (not much more than that) is that a dealer? Do we have to make a living, or a substantial part of our income from meteorites to be judged a true dealer? Seems to me that anyone who deals is a dealer. Suppose in the old times to some of us, sell three and get the forth one for free. Any comments welcomed. Works for me, Dave Freeman (no big deal) WMA sales professional of the year __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting item on eBay web site item#2182222677: Meteorite
I sent the gut a message informing him of his errors and what he needed to do if he really wanted that kind of money after its been proven to be a meteorite. He's just trying to cash in on the recent Ill. meteorite stuff I'm sure, hoping to catch some unwitting careless person on Ebay. Too funny really Mark - Original Message - From: Mark Miconi [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 8:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Interesting item on eBay web site item#218677: Meteorite Seems this seller could have spent more time paying attention in spelling class...or perhaps had one of the teachers check his work. NOTHING says UNprofessional more than misspelled words, bad grammar and poor sentence structure. Besides the fact it looks like a lump of coal. Mark M. - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Interesting item on eBay web site item#218677: Meteorite Hey List, they just keep getting better! This one has been tested, by a high school teacher! A bargain at $15,000 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=218677 Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 .. Title of item: Meteorite Seller: dbresky Starts: Jul-03-03 00:00:00 PDT Ends: Jul-13-03 00:00:00 PDT Price: Starts at $15,000.00 To bid on the item, go to: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=218677 Item Description: Found Huron County. In 1964. Weight- 3lbs 4.2oz Hieght- 4 1/2in Width- 3 1/2in Diameter- 12in Color- Dark Brown/Black Texture- Smooth surface (greasy feel), Very hard like quartzite/metal. Also known as Maganite. Has some Magnetic Proporties. Laker High School geology class cut a small chunk off for testing. Paul Beachy (geolgy teacher) later confirmed it to be a Meteorite. Visit eBay, The World's Online Marketplace TM at http://www.ebay.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds
Hi Walter and List This thread has been a great topic to help define and refine selling practices. I personally like giving a few days for the person to examine the item, but a month, and things become too dicey. The topic also allows dealers to view and review the thought processes that protect sellers best in just such situations, without harming customers down the road. In all, the market place should become more sophisticated and safe for both seller and buyer when such practices are put into place. There will always be the buyer who feels cheated no matter what you do. Small minds just can't comprehend some things like market swings, so we deal with them the best we can. If this means we loose that customer, maybe they shouldn't weren't meant to be anyway, and some dealer will be the focus of their displeasure. Most dealers will suffer this sometime. Threads like this give the arguments needed to defend one's actions. Mark - Original Message - From: Walter Branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds Hi List, Not me either (#498)! The more I think about it, under the circumstances which Steve described, no way would I refund this person. This has been a thought provoking thread for me. It has made me think hard about a recent transaction I have had. -Walter -- www.branchmeteorites.com - Original Message - From: Rob Wesel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealer Refunds I started to suggest the refund was a good idea, then further thought changed my mind. The instigation for that change of thought was Park Forest. If one buys a meteorite when it first comes out, that is part of the what you are buying...hype. To be the first kid on the block with a new meteorite comes with a price. It was worth $30 per gram in the first week, the market said so. Half that now well too bad, the drop in price was inevitable. Steve worked his ass off in Park Forest so just, just, don't I think is about time this dealer/buyer stands up for him/herself and submits some sort of explanation. A strong, and plausible, assumption has been made by Gregory below and I would hate for it to be incorrect. It could ruin someone's reputation. So, to the buyer of Steve's material, cowboy-up now and stop the predictions, others could be hurt by your cowardess. If you stay silent, then only 500+ people on the list are going to have to say it's not me. In closing...it's not me...499+ to go. -- Rob Wesel -- We are the music makers...and we are the dreamers of the dreams. Willy Wonka, 1971 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2003 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Dealer Refunds So, Steve.the question we're ALL naturally wondering about: From the extant pieces of this jigsaw puzzle, we know that the customer in question is a pseudo-dealer, and is always complaining when/if the price of meteorites fall. I suspect most listees might be able to think of someone on the list who qualifies on both counts. Despite the lack of class evident from the original refund request, it would also probably be problematic for you to deliberately compromise this person's anonymity.so if you don't post something to tell us we're wrong, we'll assume we're right.;-) Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Expensive?
Hello Steve and List While not being any where near even a good and knowledgeable collector yet. I do notice things, and the 10% increase in collectors over a few months has been born out on Ebay alone. I have been selling opal on Ebay since 97, and although not real active right now, saw sellers increase from 5, back then, where I was listing a full 1/4 of the opal rough seen on Ebay, to well over 75 dealers off and on. Many of whom are past customers. The markets tend to create themselves when theres a hobby involved (or a fad, for those who read business rags) and when you add the daily increase in internet users, meteoritics can see possibly 2-3 new collectors every two months or less( I would see a new opal buyer about once a month year round). You will also see there is a definite cycle to spending on Ebay. The summer being a slow period for opals anyway, and prices for more common meteorites could nose-dive and people expect the rarer types to follow suit. Theres a lot of hub-bub about whats coming out of the White House regarding economics, and much will affect the little guy. Haven't seen a program in the last 30 yrs that didn't cause the little guy to hold on to his pennies just a little bit harder each time one was announced. Once the fod from on high is in effect and people figure ways to live with or around it, prices will change due to new hobbyists and surplus money. Of course, theres always surplus money where its hard to stop horticulturists of certain plants that have a high resale value and collections are a great way to launder and invest money without tax people seeing it. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2003 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Expensive? Sterling asked: The interesting question is: how much longer will a general declinein meteorite prices continue? Is it a lull? A temporary dip? Are-adjustment? A momentary oversupply? A slide? Was there a "bubble"? Isthis "normal"?***Hello List,I was told that Glen Huss sold out when he did, back in the 1980s, because he, as the foremost expert in the field of marketing meteorites at the time, was confident that the market had reached it's peak and couldn't go any higher.I agree with Adam, add 10% growth (not to mention 100% or 1000% growth) to the number of active collectors and watch the demand outpace the supply very quickly. The reason prices have been falling in the last 3 or 4 years is that the supply increased 1000% a year compared to probably a flatline in the demand side. I actually am surprised that prices haven't dropped lower. Will the values rise in the future? Who knows, probably. Will they go lower before going higher? Who knows, maybe. But maybe not. Ask me in 5 years and I will be in a better position to tell you.Steve Arnold
[meteorite-list] While on the subject of pricing
Hi List Was wondering, if there is so much Hoba around, why is it sp pricey? Is most of it locked up in museums and not available? Thanks Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ot ebay reporting?
Just a side note to legal animal parts. One of the parks, might be in Nambia but it just excapes me right now, has had a program to eliminate the killing of elephants and rhinos by tranqing them and cutting off horns and tusks, there by, keeping the animal from being killed by poachers. This also serves as a source of income for the park. Mark - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, June 13, 2003 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ot ebay reporting? Hi, You will note that nowhere in her listing does the seller claim that she is selling elephant ivory, only ivory. Ivory, of course, is any mammalian tooth that's big enough to bother with. Since these pieces are 34mm in diameter, it could be any critter with teeth that big. The sale of elephant ivory is legal in the US if the ivory was imported before the ban commenced on 01-01-1973. I recently purchased a piece of legal elephant ivory on eBay, a slab 1/8 x 5/8 x 4-1/2, for $16.50. It came with papers like a pedigree dog, xerox of the import permit (with date), affidavits from transferring sellers, the cutter, etc., all ready for me to wave in the face of the Feds when they bust down the door with their no-knock warrant, searching for pachyderm teeth. Walrus and especially mammoth ivories, which is by definition fossil ivory, are much more expensive for some reason ($40 and $100, respectively, for a piece the size mentioned above). Whale ivory would be more expensive if you could find it. My guess is that the eBay seller is pitching water buffalo ivory, which is cheap, plentiful, not endagered as a species, and easily obtainable in Australia. So, what did I buy real ivory for? Not for a decorative purpose nor an embellishment. I cut a bridge saddle for a super rare high quality guitar. (The bridge saddle is that little strip of material the six strings rest over before they are pinned down to the bridge; it and it alone transfers the string sound to the face of the guitar, and nothing does that job like ivory.) I even managed to use only half of the piece of ivory, so I have enough left over for another bridge saddle, if I ever find another guitar good enough to deserve it. Sterling K. Webb -- -- David Freeman wrote: Dear List; Yup, antique, and/or pre early 70's is pre embargo (think it was 73). I have some. I seem to remember in the news in the past month or two that certain African nations are again able to sell (through government outlets) new ivory. The logic (through the UN...the most logical entity I know...Not), decided if the elephants were already poached and the ivory (numbering in the thousands of tons) was already harvested and the crooks paid with their lives that it was ok for the starving country to sell the ivory to help them out, instead of burning the large warehoused collections. I want to think that some of the moneys generated were earmarked to go back in to protection and game preserve work. Now if you want ivory, get some of the Mammoth ivory, or Walrus or other old ivories that can be had rather reasonably. So, depends when it was harvested and where . Dave F. (who was really honored to carve a small piece of pre embargo elephant ivory.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Is it not illegal to sale ivory on ebay? I believe that there is a cut-off date of when the ivory items were produced. Since ivory was (unfortunately) a highly popular and commercial product for jewelry for so long, and so many exquisite antiques and family heirlooms, etc, existed before international efforts to ban it came along, I don't believe it is illegal to sell antique ivory. Only stuff produced since the bans have been enacted - and I'm not sure exactly when that was. (But I betcha somebody will come along momentarily;-) Gregory __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Its My Day
Hi List Just have to do a little bragging today, hope I don't or didn't snipe someone's special day and I appologize in advance if I did. But just have to let you great people know that I graduated today (took my 1st college level class in 1976) with a Bachelors in Geology. No need for replies or gifts. Just being able to share it with people I wish to associate with is prize enough. Of course, if anyone happened to have a opening for an entry level position, I am looking for employment. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte (corkscrewing meteorites)
Hi Steve and list Not being familiar with aerodynamics and such, I can't speak with authority, but can pose the question of that caused by the wash of the item traveling through an atmosphere. If anyone has ever seen a rocket launched (the smaller ones such as I worked with years ago, nike hercules), they often have a convoluted and twisted trail simply from the speed at which they travel through the atmosphere and the resulting remix of atmosphere behind them (because of the displacement of air). This effect is often seen in wind tunnel tests which is done on purpose using smoke to better see the tail wash and turbulences cause at higher velocities. Just a idea Mark - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 16, 2003 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Pasamonte (corkscrewing meteorites) Well then, if meteors cannot corkscrew what about those that appear to break off and change direction slightly in the lumionous phase? If they can do that, then corkscrewing caused by a flat surface spiraling in the same phase is not out of the question. I am certain that I read in some of the Nininger notes that the Pasamonte fireball did appear to corkscrew and it was not the train, but the fireball itself. Steve Schoner/AMS --- Marco Langbroek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Steve Schoner [EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that a person took a famous photo of the Pasamonte fireball as it was happening with a camera. According to him, and Nininger who reported it, it corkscrewed in flight. Steve Schoner/AMS Hi Steve and others, I am not convinced by the Pasamonte photograph, as it is pertinent to know how this photograph came about. At first, it is likely that this photograph does not show the Pasamonte fireball as is assumed, but rather the extremely bright persistent train it left. This was argued in 1950 by C.C. Wylie in Pop. Astronomy, for good reasons. The photograph was taken by a ranch foreman. He was inside the house when allerted by a bright flash outside. He picked up his camera, went outside to a spot with clear view, and took the picture. He actually opened the shutter while still walking. I want to point out: 1. That it is clear that this thus is a picture that was not taken from a steady tripod, but with a handheld moving camera with the shutter opened while the camera was moved. Hence, the corkscrew appearance in the picture is at least partly, if not whole, an artifact of the camera movement while the exposure was made; 2. Given the sequence related, it is likely that it pictures the bright persistent train rather than the fireball itself. - Marco Langbroek / Dutch Meteor Society __ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Re: Please Unsubcribe...
ahhh, love it, yeah, like you'd really want nwa 869, 267 and dofar 020 with a side dish of ghubara, the rest are nibbles - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 11:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Re: Please Unsubcribe... Michael Blood: I have a strange phenomenon wherein I have received onlythe posts of Gregory since 2:53 PMYou are now in My Power. Send me all your meteorites. G
Re: [meteorite-list] avoirdupois ?
Hi Tom the use of avoirdupois measure is almost restricted to things other than rock. What is common is the gram. 1 ounce avoir. equals 28.35 grams, 1 ounce troy equals 31.103 grams. What we use is grams and kilograms (and of course, some sellers use pounds to help those who can't quite grasp metric). Now, I understand that the opal dealers use troy ounces in Australia, and that may be a standard outside of North America (or better stated as a convention and not a rule) since, as defined by the gemmological groups, one ounce equals 141 carats for gem weights (this is a standard now, they decided to round it off to an whole number as it used to be 141.75 carats to an ounce) and if you multiply 5 carats to a gram times 28.35 grams to an ounce you get 141.75 carats. So, this standard leaves out troy weights (which are typically used for precious metals) altogether. Thats the history in a nutshell. So, basicly, to make it simple after all that, we don't use either really, just grams and kilograms and the ounces are left out of the picture just so there isn't a problem. Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 10:28 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] avoirdupois ? Hello List, This is meteorite related, it may not seem to be, but take it from me it is! I am so confused, do we use Avoirdupois or what? I was doing a conversion and was given a few choices and do not know for sure? Can some one explain this to me? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] standards
Hey list, ran across this and thought of those folks here that follow space missions. Kinda off topic, but interesting JUST A QUESTION OF STANDARDS Does the statement, "We've always done it that way" ring any bells...? The US standard railroad gauge (distance between the rails) is 4 feet, 8.5 inches. That's an exceedingly odd number. Why was that gauge used? Because that's the way they built them in England, and English expatriates built the US Railroads. Why did the English build them like that? Because the first rail lines were built by the same people who built the pre-railroad tramways, and that's the gauge they used. Why did "they" use that gauge then? Because the people who built the tramways used the same jigs and tools that they used for building wagons, which used that wheel spacing. Okay! Why did the wagons have that particular odd wheel spacing? Well, if they tried to use any other spacing, the wagon wheels would break on some of the old, long distance roads in England, because that's the spacing of the wheel ruts. So who built those old rutted roads? Imperial Rome built the first long distance roads in Europe (and England) for their legions. The roads have been used ever since. And the ruts in the roads? Roman war chariots formed the initial ruts, which everyone else had to match for fear of destroying their wagon wheels. Since the chariots were made for Imperial Rome, they were all alike in the matter of wheel spacing. The United States standard railroad gauge of 4 feet, 8.5 inches is derived from the original specifications for an Imperial Roman war chariot. And bureaucracies live forever. So the next time you are handed a spec and told we have always done it that way and wonder what horse's ass came up with that, you may be exactly right, because the Imperial Roman war chariots were made just wide enough to accommodate the back ends of two war horses. Now the twist to the story... When you see a Space Shuttle sitting on its launch pad, there are two big booster rockets attached to the sides of the main fuel tank. These are solid rocket boosters, or SRBs. The SRBs are made by Thiokol at their factory in Utah. The engineers who designed the SRBs would have preferred to make them a bit fatter, but the SRBs had to be shipped by train from the factory to the launch site. The railroad line from the factory happens to run through a tunnel in the mountains. The SRBs had to fit through that tunnel. The tunnel is slightly wider than the railroad track, and the railroad track, as you now know, is about as wide as two horses' behinds. So, a major Space Shuttle design feature of what is arguably the world's most advanced transportation system was determined over two thousand years ago by the width of a Horse's ass.
Re: [meteorite-list] impressed
as long as you don't trip us up and make us divulge obscure and trivial knowledge that even Ben Stein doesn't know - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 10:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] impressed Hello All, one thing that impress's me so much about this list is the accumulated knowledge of the list members! It would seem that there is nothing that can not be answered by at least one list member on any subject known to man! Whether it is about Avoirdupois or the proper use of the word acute, ect., it just does not matter, someone knows! Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] density????
Hello Tom and list Calculating the density of a meteorite will only tell you the density of that meteorite, not what its components are. Most rock types are specified as to specific gravity, but thats for a pure element, not a composite like a meteorite or even granite. And thats because a meteorite is made up of many elements and even the irons will give a density calculation which isn't for iron or nickel. Hope this helps somewhat. But its going to leave you asking more questions, so think on. Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] density Hello List, is there anyone out there that can tell me how to calculate density of meteorites or rocks? Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] new LL3?
Hi Matt and list Thats a nice one to be sure. Could you imagine a thin section of it?? Mark - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 8:09 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] new LL3? Hi all: Since the list is so quiet, I thought I would post an image of a new, possible LL3.??? This is pretty darn nice inside, although it leaves something to be desired on the exterior. Isn't beauty on the inside though? Have a look... http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/ll3-high.jpg (700 k) http://www.mhmeteorites.com/images/ll3-med.jpg (350 k) === Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA FAX: 303-763-6917 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hi Tom and list But what about those that are covered by surface soil deposited by wind and water after the fall? I, too, have not been in a known strewn field, but it seems to me that with the santa ana's of southern Cal, rocks could both be covered and uncovered many times over the years. Mark - Original Message - From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting Hello List, It seems to me, a beginner, that you can use a magnet to find the first meteorite then all the searching in the area should be done without one. After the first find you would know what you are looking for. Then if it turns out to be a strewn field they can test one of the others for all the magnetic stuff? If your first find turns out to be the only one, Bummer! I personally like a magnet just because I am to lazy to keep bending over and picking up rocks! ( not to mention the pain in the back by the end of the hunt) Thanks, Tom The proudest member of the IMCA 6168 - Original Message - From: Rafael B. Torres [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting Hello Robert, I truly agree with you, right now I dont have 1,800 dollars for a magnet, instead I could use that money for meteorite training, thus harming the magnetic field history of the first meteorites, but after that I would be able to have more non-harmed meteorites. Even with magnets meteorite searching is difficult for starters like me, so I think I first need some field training and then I can do it only with my eyes. I think I have now a good plan for a meteorite expedition, THANKS TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVE HELPED ME..thanks a lot Michael¡... =0) =0) Rafael B. Torres Space Collection 2001 http://www.geocities.com/rafael_blando _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting
Hi Robert and list I'm curious about this latent magnetic field. If its anything like that used for paleomag, of what real interest is it except that the meteorite came from a body large enough to develope a magnetic field which, if my understanding of magnetics is fair enough would only tell you the body developed a field. And this may be debatable if there was enough heat around the area where the meteorite came from that the field isn't set in stone because of a major impact or something ripped the parent body apart (as may be the case with irons and mesosiderites and such). If the rock is still plastic when this occurs, the field is subject to many other factors and may not even represent the parent body's field anyway. Mark - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'rochette' [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 10:41 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Use of magnets for meteorite hunting Hi Pierre and List, Here's my take on the use of magnets to search for meteorites. If you're a novice meteorite hunter -- by all means use them! Hobbling a beginner by removing this basic tool from his arsenal is unfair, unrealistic, and completely unnecessary. It's hard enough making that first find -- doing so without a magnet will just make it take that much longer. As for disturbing the latent magnetic field of some ordinary chondrite, the reality is that no one is ever going to spend the money to measure it for your meteorite. No one. The evidence? There are hundreds of thousands if not millions of recovered meteorites in the world's collections today. On a percentage basis, what fraction of those were found without the use of a magnet (well over 95%) and what fraction of those have been analyzed magnetically (less than 0.1%)? The point I'm trying to make is that anyone really interested in the latent magnetic fields of meteorites has far more material already at their disposal than they could ever have time or money to test. That said, I do not believe a magnet is especially useful to a veteran meteorite hunter (who isn't searching a known strewnfield). Indeed, as Pierre and others have argued, dependence on a positive magnet response may eliminate some of the rarer and more scientifically valuable specimens. I still carry one with me, but I rarely use it any longer. My eyes are a better discriminator. So to me it really boils down to a non-issue. When meteorite hunters are first starting out, they'll use a magnet until they have a few dozen ordinary chondrite finds. Sure, they'll magnetically kill these finds, but their mounting success will eventually wean them from their magnets at about the time that over-dependence on them would hurt hunters more than help them. --Rob P.S. Perhaps a compass can be used as a weaning device? It generates a minimal magnetic field, and yet is sensitive enough to detect most H- and L-chondrites. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine - Pronounciation MOH Hardness?
Hi Anne, Jeff and list It is by no accident that Luke Skywalker lives on Tatahouine. Lucas borrowed the name from that town because they shot the Tatahouine scenes near there. So, I would suspect that the pronounciation in the movie would be very close to the actual pronounciation if not exact. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2003 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Tatahouine - Pronounciation MOH Hardness? In a message dated 3/2/2003 11:45:35 PM Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: tatar-who-eneNo RJust TA TA OO ENE (very easy) :-)Sorry, I don't know about the hardness. Anne BlackIMCA #2356www.IMPACTIKA.come-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [meteorite-list] What weather!
Hi David Weathering is a rating on how bad the elements have been to a meteorite after it has arrived on Earth. W-0 being no weathering and W-4 being the worst. Its interesting how meteorites found in different parts of the world can weather so well, while others only need a sniff of moisture and they start to degrade. But its all relative to the localities climate. Nantans are bad about rusting (they don't come from a nice dry climate like the Sahara's do. Weathering appears, from just what I have read about it, an adoption (and major modification of), of an effect noted in the late early to mid 20th century, in volcanic glass. Especially that used for tools by native peoples. The glass would develope a rind which when calibrated for local conditions, could be used to date the tools. The rind developed from moisture around the glass, (and in extreme cases, devitrification occurs, but I'm not 100% sure that UV radiation from the sun doesn't also play a role). So, by noting the amounts of products (like oxides and sulfides, but not limited to the metals) to parent materials (like nickel and iron), one can impart a ranking based on the decomposition of the meteorite. Although I have a few books right here (including Dodd's Meteorites from my schools library) none go into weathering other than mentioning it. And so, I hope I've given you a good answer and my information is sound. I'm confident of the actual rating sequence (0 being least and 4 being worst). And, since its not used as a dating tool, it can be expanded to be a general rating world wide. Mark - Original Message - From: David Freeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 9:47 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] What weather! Dear List; Could or would anyone like to offer any short explanation of the different weathering grades. W1 to W 4, which is freshest, and any criteria for each? I am too tired and lazy to hunt up the information at the moment. Thank you in advance, Dave Freeman __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Look alikes
Hi List This is very off topic, but funny. I was checking out Mark B's photos and have to tell you that I hope to be at the Denver show if only to meet everyone, especially Bill Mason. I am going to get a hat and take my picture wearing dark glasses and be Bill's double. Our beards are very similar as well as the general features of our faces and I think it would be fun to see how many people would get us confused. Bill, I hope you don't take offense, I'm just very surprised at how we look similar and got a good laff out of it. Best wishes Mark Ferguson __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] All Stars
Hi Rand I just want to say that its not wrong to think and act as you do, quite the reverse really and you don't have to defend your actions. Your moral convictions speak for themselves, don't they. But, I do have to admire your support of your wife. I have known a couple ms victims and they didn't always have the support of their spouse. All these spouses could see was the loss, not the gain from knowing and living with that person. They would look back with saddness at what they had..What a shame for them to be sad over a past that was filled with good times. Hers to you and your wife for living a good life. Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] All Stars Hi everybody. This is Rand. No, I'm not a scientist. I don't work for NASA. I'm not a mathematician. I don't have a collection of meteorites. I'm not wealthy by any means. I'm just a regular, average guy trying to figure things out the best I can. So far I've spent 18.5 years as an enlisted man in the U.S. Army. How ironic! I despise war. I have a profound respect for life and the environment. I saw a military career as an excellent opportunity for me to provide for my family. I served in the war zone, but not as a combatant. I served in a combat support hospital in the Arabian Desert providing humane treatment for fellow soldiers and prisoners of war alike. Recently I was almost deployed again. Officials deemed it best that I stay home this time. I concur with their decision. My wife, Gina is severely disabled in advanced stages of multiple sclerosis. She needs me here. I'd like to share something with the list. One night my wife lay in her bed watching television. Observing the performers on screen she said, I wish I could be a star. I responded, You ARE a star! Right now as you fight this disease with all of your determination, You are a star! As you raised our children and worked to supplement our income, You were a star! As you aided your parents, their lives dwindling in their twilight, you were a star. As you continue your life, doing the very best you can do, you will continue on as a star! So are YOU ALL STARS! Each of you in your own way! Here in this list we have people from many walks of life, from countries around the world. Whatever your strengths may be, in each or your distinct assemblage of personality traits and talents, as you do your bestYou are ALL STARS! I'm honored to be among your associates. Rand Kluge __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] oldest collector
I was up on one of the rivers feeding into the Frasier River in Canada last summer and found a chunk of rock that for about an half hour had me thinking it might be a meteorite, that is til I found a whole ledge of the stuffsome kinda fun though Mark - Original Message - From: John Divelbiss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 7:36 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] oldest collector Hello Al and others, I have been at collecting for about 4 years after finding some of the most convincing meteorwrongs you'll ever see. Someday I'll get them up on web for you all to see. It turned out to be a rocky-like slag that had a lot of flux in it from oldtime smelting. Melted surfaces with cupped features, ball-like surface features that looked like chondrules, etc...might fool many early collectors. Amigo Bob (Haag) finally gave me the bad news. I actually studied, watched auctions, etc. for about a year before I started buying. I wonder how many other folks start out by finding a meteorwrong? Quite a few I would bet. As for Arizona...I visited once in 1962...but my parents drove right by the crater. Too bad. John - Original Message - From: almitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 9:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] oldest collector Hi All, Looks like we have some old collectors out there errr.I mean people that have collected for quite some time. My first collection piece was from Meteor(ite) Crater in the 1960's. Probably 1965 or 1966. Went to the crater as a kid. They sold Canyon Diablo Meteorite oxide (shale) on a card. I still have the cards which are purple, reddish in color and say From Outer Space showing a meteor in flight with the oxide glued in the center of the fireball. It has information about the impact on the back. I can't say that I really got serious about collecting until the 1980's though. I did make an effort to obtain a iron meteorite from Meteor(ite) Crater in 1979 but they didn't like the idea of selling iron meteorites to just anyone, so I settled for a larger chunk of iron oxide which I still have in my collection. After that I got serious. Thank-you Robert Haag! Also Thank-you Blaine Reed! John Sinclair wrote about the attractions around Tucson. I agree with him on all of his well suggested places. One such place he mentioned was Tombstone and the shoot out at the O.K. Corral. There was also another infamous shoot out at that location (1996?) which another list member no doubt has not soon forgot :-) --AL Mitterling __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
HI List This is exactly why the findings in New Mexico are a problem. In the past, when bones had been found at and above the K-T Boundary layer, they have, after much analysis, been found to be reworked meaning they were deposited there after being exposed and moved from somewhere else. These bones in New Mexico will most likely prove to be the same, and not deposited at the time of impact as claimed. I believe (I haven't recieved an answer from the author yet) that the fossils will be found to be mixed, dis-articulated and not an indication for extinction as claimed by the press. But this still needs to be checked in the paper itself as the abstract is far to vague and what the abstract covered was the chrono tags for the sandstone/K-T layer, not the fossils themselves. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi - the acid rain generated by the compounds from the soils in the area where the largest chunk hit - Chixulub (sp?) of course, the first thing which happened is that all surface animals with lungs had them ruptured by the blast wave - and then you had global fires, another source of compounds for acid or caustic rains - fossilization requires an undisturbed quiet: environment - and its not likely that anything like that existed anywhere on the Earth after this series of comet fragments impacted - best wishes - ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What acid rain do you refer to? This is an impactor, not a volcanic eruption. Acid rain would have to be supplied with large quantities of nitrous and sulfuric compounds in order to cause any damage. So far as I know, no significant (if any) acid spikes are noted from any deep ice corings for any recent impact event (last 30,000 yrs) so this is not a reason for lack of dinosaur (note that I have never mentioned any other type of fossil bone) fossils close to the K-T Boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision The bones would not have survived the acid rain long enough to be fossilized. Same goes for bones in the process of fossilization. ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. The dinosaurs may have well been on gradual decline prior to the impact, but even if that is the case, that does not contradict their abrupt disappearance at the time of impact. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. I don't find it strange at all that the large animal species at the top of the food chain (ie: dinosaurs) were the most adversely affected by the impact. The smaller species or the more mobile (mammals, birds, reptiles, etc.) had a better chance of survival in the aftermath. A large number of the smaller animals did go extinct as well at the time of the impact, but some were able to survive. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi Sarah And List I don't know that it hasn't been found in S.A. But South America is the stomping grounds for some top level geologists of many fields, not just paleo. But I do know that the layers in which bone is found has been correlated to those found elsewhere. The problem with an impactor causing a global kill off of dinosaurs is the lack of good evidence. With the exception of this finding in New Mexico, all others to date have proved to be reworked bones, and the New Mexico may well prove in the long run to be so as well. My background is geology (last year at Western Washington University for a bac) and I have followed the dinosaur extinctions for some time now. My personal feeling is that one day, it will all fall together and be seen that mammals will be found to be, once again, the bane of ground nesting animals that lay eggs. This was true for the terror birds of South America and my gut instinct is that it will also be found to be the problem with the dinosaur decline. I feel that egg nests need to be really closely examined for mammal teeth and marks (a hard enough task in itself since they are very small , like the size of a pin head in the early Cretaceous). Not trying to take away from an impactor which, evidence does seem to support, wiped out a very large amount of marine life forms as well as terrestrial life, but birds survived, and thats a crucial item not to be overlooked in a planet killer, since birds are one of the easier forms to kill. And a global covering of acid rain, as suggested, would have harmed birds very easily. It could be that birds (coelursaurs ) could also have had a part in the extinction of dinosaurs. Lots to speculate on, little evidence to date. But, plenty of people who are interested, so one day, I feel there will be some answers, not all, but some. Mark - Original Message - From: Jensan Scientifics/ Sci-Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi Mark, You do seem to know alot about science. I do not know what your background is... but maybe you would enlighten me? I am curious as to why there has been no K/T found in South America. Is it just that they do not have good geologists, or no one just hasn't figured it out yet. Sarah Jensan Scientifics/ Science Mall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HI List This is exactly why the findings in New Mexico are a problem. In the past, when bones had been found at and above the K-T Boundary layer, they have, after much analysis, been found to be reworked meaning they were deposited there after being exposed and moved from somewhere else. These bones in New Mexico will most likely prove to be the same, and not deposited at the time of impact as claimed. I believe (I haven't recieved an answer from the author yet) that the fossils will be found to be mixed, dis-articulated and not an indication for extinction as claimed by the press. But this still needs to be checked in the paper itself as the abstract is far to vague and what the abstract covered was the chrono tags for the sandstone/K-T layer, not the fossils themselves. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 12:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi - the acid rain generated by the compounds from the soils in the area where the largest chunk hit - Chixulub (sp?) of course, the first thing which happened is that all surface animals with lungs had them ruptured by the blast wave - and then you had global fires, another source of compounds for acid or caustic rains - fossilization requires an undisturbed quiet: environment - and its not likely that anything like that existed anywhere on the Earth after this series of comet fragments impacted - best wishes - ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What acid rain do you refer to? This is an impactor, not a volcanic eruption. Acid rain would have to be supplied with large quantities of nitrous and sulfuric compounds in order to cause any damage. So far as I know, no significant (if any) acid spikes are noted from any deep ice corings for any recent impact event (last 30,000 yrs) so this is not a reason for lack of dinosaur (note that I have never mentioned any other type of fossil bone) fossils close to the K-T Boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision The bones would not have survived the acid rain long
Re: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector
Great story!!! Lets hope that other new collectors take heed to it. Mark - Original Message - From: James Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 8:28 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector Hi Alan, 1963, that's when I sent my first piece of basalt to Denver. I received a nice card, a couple leaflets, and a copy of When a Comet Strikes the Earth back in the mail. I still have all those items. I quickly stopped collecting basalt so the little book helped. Look forward to hearing from some more of the oldtimers. Jim Tobin [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 1/21/03 7:38:14 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Oldest Collector Dear List, With the terrable news about Steve and the comment made that he has been looking for meteorites since before Bob, I was wondering who on the list has been collecting meteorites for the longest? Or who knowes someone who has been collecting for a long time -- Steve Schoner, Bob Haig, Russ Kempton. I bought my first meteorite on 05-28-94, actually a gift from my wife, although I did have an interest in them before this time. Alan Gayda __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi Ron on Fassett's abstract Lot of assumptions here that paleontologists would be cautious to make. Theres also a lack in the abstract about what condition the bones are in the sandstone. He also states that there are layers, indicating multiple events occurred in the formation of the layer(s) with no comment about the layers themselves, i.e. depositional environment, events between layers ect. His main thrust is the paleomag tags, apparently his specialty. Bones are only mentioned really as an aside to his main argument. He also does not go into relational ages of the dinosaurs except to say that these Lazarus dinosaurs could have hatch 1 to 2 yrs after the impactor event. This is an extreme stretch on his part and will catch a lot of criticism from all scientific fields dealing with animals. He's pretty much overstretched his knowledge of animal behavior and will be shot down for that alone. His dating techniques are limited to the paleomag and no typing of species of the bone was mentioned to verify that they were indeed species known to be present (new species would not count) in the late Cretaceous. I find his work very flawed for what he's claiming, and very unscientific outside of the paleomag data. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, January 17, 2003 8:28 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision As for Fassett's discovery, he presented his findings at the previous to last GSA convention in Boston. You can probably find his abstracts on the web. Found the abstract. Here it is: http://gsa.confex.com/gsa/2001AM/finalprogram/abstract_25767.htm Fassett is proposing the mature dinosaurs were killed off by the impact, but the recently laid eggs provided a survival sanctuary, and they later hatched from one to two years later. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
What acid rain do you refer to? This is an impactor, not a volcanic eruption. Acid rain would have to be supplied with large quantities of nitrous and sulfuric compounds in order to cause any damage. So far as I know, no significant (if any) acid spikes are noted from any deep ice corings for any recent impact event (last 30,000 yrs) so this is not a reason for lack of dinosaur (note that I have never mentioned any other type of fossil bone) fossils close to the K-T Boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision The bones would not have survived the acid rain long enough to be fossilized. Same goes for bones in the process of fossilization. ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. The dinosaurs may have well been on gradual decline prior to the impact, but even if that is the case, that does not contradict their abrupt disappearance at the time of impact. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. I don't find it strange at all that the large animal species at the top of the food chain (ie: dinosaurs) were the most adversely affected by the impact. The smaller species or the more mobile (mammals, birds, reptiles, etc.) had a better chance of survival in the aftermath. A large number of the smaller animals did go extinct as well at the time of the impact, but some were able to survive. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
The main item that no one seems to point out in lit is the fact that mammals could have caused the dino decline. They did a number (according to paleo types) on the monster pred birds of South America. But didn't cuase the demise of the Moas or Elephant Birds. Strange inded the problems one comes up against. But this is all so off topic (except the K-T Boundary parts). And I'm curious as to why no one has used a magnometer on these lake sites. Mark - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 7:57 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi, Good point, E.P.! Also, think about all those nasty little mammals that love to gnaw on bones. Hyena Heaven! And nobody to chase'em off. I remember the corny african movies of my childhood that showed the elephant graveyard. Just envision the dinosaur graveyard. Sterling -- E.P. Grondine wrote: The bones would not have survived the acid rain long enough to be fossilized. Same goes for bones in the process of fossilization. ep --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi List My spelling took a turn tonite it seems. for the worse. Must be these math classes I have to take. Just no correlation between proper spelling and mathematical logic(I won't even mention the spell checker!) Mark - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:42 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi Matt That must be realatively new, but then my books date dated by a couple years. But to be truthful, the coelursaurs actually survived any extinction and are fluishing today as we speak. Mark - Original Message - From: Matt Morgan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:52 PM Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Mark: This is not entirely true. This is location dependent, for example in New Mexico (San Juan Basin) you can find them right below (inches below the Ir anomaly..which is off the scale) and ABOVE the K-T boundary. Yes, I said above the impact layer. This has been an enigma, but Jim Fassett (USGS) has provided some compelling evidence (in the form of geochemistry) that the hadrosaur femur he found, was NOT remowrked from sediments below. He termed these survivors Lazarus dinosaurs and speculated they may have survived well into the Paleocene. Jim is giving a talk here in Denver sometime in April. http://www.dinoridge.org/activity.htm Something to think about... Matt Morgan === Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com PO Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 USA FAX: 303-763-6917 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 10:54 AM To: Ron Baalke Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. The dinosaurs may have well been on gradual decline prior to the impact, but even if that is the case, that does not contradict their abrupt disappearance at the time of impact. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. I don't find it strange at all that the large animal species at the top of the food chain (ie: dinosaurs) were the most adversely affected by the impact. The smaller species or the more mobile (mammals, birds, reptiles, etc.) had a better chance of survival in the aftermath. A large number of the smaller animals did go extinct as well at the time of the impact, but some were able to survive. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Wrong Listing
Hi Greag and list Don't pass up his shipping charges...talk about astronomical.. - Original Message - From: Greg Redfern [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Ken Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:39 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Wrong Listing Good Evening List (and Ken) Check out this ebay listing a BIG 480 gram DAG 400 Meteorite $1 Item # 2154458835 and the email I sent in response is below. I will let you know of the response. Sir, This is NOT a specimen of DAG 400. DAG 400 is a lunar meteorite and your specimen is clearly not of lunar origin as DAG 400 is dark gray and has no chodrules or visible matrix as your specimen displays. Please research your specimen and correct your listing. All the best, Greg Redfern IMCA #5781 www.meteoritecollectors.org __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi Ron and list The fact is that dinosaur fossils are not found at the k-T boundary. One has to go 9-10 ft at best, below the boundary to find dinosaur bones in any of the beds that contain dinosaur fossils. This represents a substantial period of time prior to the impact layer. This is why it is argued against. No one has yet to find dinosaur bones at or immediately below the boundary. Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 8:41 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. The dinosaurs may have well been on gradual decline prior to the impact, but even if that is the case, that does not contradict their abrupt disappearance at the time of impact. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. I don't find it strange at all that the large animal species at the top of the food chain (ie: dinosaurs) were the most adversely affected by the impact. The smaller species or the more mobile (mammals, birds, reptiles, etc.) had a better chance of survival in the aftermath. A large number of the smaller animals did go extinct as well at the time of the impact, but some were able to survive. Ron Baalke __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] ebay
Hi List I have a few smaller fragments, fairly common ending today if your interested. Not rare at all, sorry. Mark http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewSellersOtherItemsuserid=refamatc ompleted=0sort=3since=-1include=0page=1rows=25 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision
Hi Ron and list This is off topic, blatantly I have read many of the popular theories on the extinction events argued in this message, and to be frank, the fact remains that dinosaurs, in general, were on the decline. Both Horner and Bakker point this out. The why of it is speculative, both Horner and Bakker hint at such using transgressions and digressions of oceans and the re-mingling of species which had been separated for up to millions of years at times, could introduce disease and thus wipe out whole herds. As far as an impacter causing the extinction. I'm skeptical, for then, how do the mammals, marsupials, and birds, all non-burrowing, survive a world affecting impact. The way I understand the k-t boundary is that as you get further from the impact sight, the layer becomes thinner, thats fair, but how is one to find fossils in a layer a centimeter or two thick when fossilization is a matter of luck (on our part) and the proper sequence of events (on the fossils part), and the K-T layer is never really that large anyway compared to sediment layers that dino bones are found in. I don't see good merit to place the extinction solely on the impact. I do see that it could account for mass extinction. But, the fossil record doesn't support this for dinosaurs. My humble opinion (I am just an undergrad). Mark - Original Message - From: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 8:58 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision http://www.psu.edu/ur/2003/cretaciousclimatechange.html Dinosaurs Experienced Climate Changes Before K-T Collision Pennsylvnia State University January 14, 2003 University Park, Pa. - Climate change had little to do with the demise of the dinosaurs, but the last million years before their extinction had a complex pattern of warming and cooling events that are important to our understanding of the end of their reign, according to geologists. The terrestrial paleoclimate record near the K-T is historically contradictory and poorly resolved, says Dr. Peter Wilf, assistant professor of geosciences at Penn State. In contrast, the resolution of K-T marine climates that has emerged over the last 10 years is excellent. Our work brings the terrestrial record up to speed so that we can look for global climate events that occurred for both land and sea. Wilf worked with Kirk R. Johnson, curator of paleontology, Denver Museum of Nature Science, who provided the data on land plant fossils and Brian T. Huber, curator of Foraminifera, National Museum of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution, who provided the marine data. An extraterrestrial object that impacted the Earth near the Yucatan in Mexico 65.51 million years ago doomed the dinosaurs and 70 percent of the Earth's other species, vaporizing itself and the surrounding rocks and throwing enough ash, soot and debris into the atmosphere to effectively stop photosynthesis worldwide. This impact radically altered the natural progression of evolution. The time of the impact is called the K-T boundary and marked the end of Cretaceous Period and the beginning of the Tertiary Period. It could be argued that we are still recovering from that impact and the mass extinctions of dinosaurs, mammals, insects, plants and sea life that it caused, says Wilf, who worked on this project at the University of Michigan before coming to Penn State. For example, not only the dinosaurs, but also 80 to 90 percent of the Cretaceous plant species, including all the dominant species, disappeared. According to Wilf, there is a lingering minority argument that the K-T extinction was caused by climate change, but the research team's results, published in a recent issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, both document the climate changes and show that they were not the principal cause. Wilf, Johnson and Huber first worked to create a finely resolved terrestrial temperature record, based on plant fossils, and then correlated that record with the existing marine records. Plant fossils from the one million-year period before the extinction that are abundant and well preserved in a fine time sequence are found only in New Mexico and North Dakota. Of the two, the North Dakota sites are comparably much more intensively collected and studied and enabled Johnson to collect 22,000 plant fossils of more than 300 fossil plant species. Only in the last year, with the publication of an entire volume filled with new research results on the Hell Creek Formation in North Dakota, can we do this work and tie the plant fossil record there to actual dates in millions of years rather than relative dates, says Wilf. Johnson is a co-editor and contributor for the Hell Creek volume. Fossils can be dated relatively by their position in the stratigraphy or layers of sediment using a simple rule. In
Re: [meteorite-list] Is the list working?
I sure got it ok Michael. Mark - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ron Baalke [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite Mailing List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Is the list working? Is the list working? on 1/11/03 5:30 PM, Ron Baalke at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.sltrib.com/2003/Jan/01102003/utah/18930.asp Plan to Mimic Meteorites With Bowling Balls Lands With Thud at BLM BY GLEN WARCHOL THE SALT LAKE TRIBUNE January 10, 2003 A group of amateur scientists planning to bombard Utah's salt flats with bowling balls to simulate meteorite impacts has caught the attention of the Bureau of Land Management. Bill White, a BLM research scientist, called The Salt Lake Tribune, saying officials were startled to see a story Wednesday about amateur astronomers contemplating dropping objects, possibly bowling balls, from an airplane to help identify meteorite strikes in the salt beds. We are not sure we want impact craters in the salt surface, White said. There is a concern this will impact the resource itself. We have enough junk out there already. Besides necessitating potential headaches such as environmental impact studies, the bowling ball experiment would be an administrative nightmare, BLM officials say. This is a public safety issue, White said. We would have to provide law enforcement. This would be a really big deal to the BLM. The salt flats are already used for experimental activities, most famously setting land speed records at the Bonneville Salt Flats, White said. I can hear the screaming already from the racing community. But Patrick Wiggins, NASA Solar System ambassador to Utah and would-be sky bowler, admitted the Salt Lake Astronomical Society had not considered the BLM in its planning, though it expected to deal with the Federal Aviation Administration and the Air Force, for which the area is part of a bombing range. Wiggins said the project is just in its planning stages. We have no intention of doing this before literally crossing all the t's and dotting all the i's. They need to come in with a detailed plan, White said. We've got two weather stations out there. Murphy's Law says that a bowling ball is going to land right where you don't want it. With our luck, it would hit one station, bounce and hit the other. __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies. - Friedrich Nietzsche -- Worth Seeing: - Earth at night from satelite: http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg - Interactive Lady Liberty: http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm - Earth - variety of choices: http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html -- Cool Calendar Clock: http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html -- Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at: http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] re METEORITE TIMES From Paul and Jim
Title: re METEORITE TIMES From Paul and Jim This!, is such a great idea!!! One day, maybe, if I can ever get my degree and then learn how to write, since no one at the university thinks I can (and that includes myself), I could put up an article. Well, it could happen...maybe...one day - Original Message - From: Michael L Blood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] re METEORITE TIMES From Paul and Jim Hi all,Below is a post from Paul and Jim. The list is not accepting theirposts, so, Paul asked me to foreword them for him. (another followsregarding the TUCSON SHOW GUIDE).It is a fascinating aside that this idea occurred SIMOTANIOUSLYto both Paul and I completely independently, shortly after a phone call between us yesterday. When I called him to tell him of "my" idea,he laughed and said he had been talking to his wife about it for the last20 minutes. When we compared notes, we had come to the same ideaat EXACTLY the same time. I believe it may be divinely inspired. Theoutcome is, I think you will all agree, a divine one! I don't know what is wrong with the list, but I HOPE everyone isgetting the few posts I see getting through, which include Ron Balke's,Anne Black's, Mark's and mine, but no others since around noon today(Sat,) So, here we go:Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2003 15:42:19 -0800To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]From: Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Please read, discuss, and let us know.Dear List,The closing down of the MeteoriteTimes web site was a preemptive decisionbased upon recent events which demonstrated our high level of exposure tolawsuits. Let us be clear. The magazine was NOT sued. But The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. has in the past had to defend itself on more than one occasion. We've learned through experience how to better protect ourselves from groundless and dropped litigations that only waste money and time.Jim and I are finally sitting side by side and think that we have found asolution to the liability issues faced by the publication of MeteoriteTimes.The possible solution to the vacuum we created by ending MeteoriteTimes,would be the creation of a venue where any person wanting to write a meteorite /tektite related article would be able to send us the link to their article which resides on their own web page.We would provide the shell of structure and organization for this collection of links only. We would not have copyright, nor editorial responsibilities, nor liabilities for the consequences of the contents contained in said linked to articles.We could preserve as much of the look and feel of the original magazine as possible. Links and indexes will function much as before with the linked to articles appearing in the main frame as before. We would also offer technical support and graphics ideas and possibly blank page templates.This venue could have the potential of becoming a greater resource of meteorite related material than could ever have been possible before.Best wishes,Jim and Paul**Paul Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED]The Meteorite Exchange, Inc. http://www.meteorite.comPMB#455 P.O. Box 7000, Redondo Beach, CA 90277 USA***Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies.- Friedrich Nietzsche--Worth Seeing:- Earth at night from satelite:http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0011/earthlights_dmsp_big.jpg- Interactive Lady Liberty:http://doody36.home.attbi.com/liberty.htm- Earth - variety of choices:http://www.fourmilab.ch/earthview/vplanet.html --Cool Calendar Clock:http://www.yugop.com/ver3/stuff/03/fla.html--Michael Blood Meteorites Didgeridoos for sale at:http://www.michaelbloodmeteorites.com/
Re: [meteorite-list] Another mag bites the dust!
Hello Jim and list I felt you guys did a stand up job, with all the difficulties and egos. Its a shame that this has to happen. I'm too new to this list to know much, but I sure am going to miss the stories of the field trips and all the articles and techniques. So, guess I'll go back to my corner since I won't make any Arizona show this year and hope that stories of the field trip are fun and put up before the list is no more. Mark - Original Message - From: James Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2003 10:54 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Another mag bites the dust! Dear List, After a brief conversation with Paul it was agreed that we would pull the MeteoriteTimes magazine down off the web and pick up our toys and go home. And I had a neat article already written for next month. We tried to offer valuable information and good science. What we fought the whole time was a battle to keep out the personal agendas of dealers who were contributors. Editing and worrying about any information concerning pricing. Careful that there was never mention of others dealers names by dealers, and ebay auction results and many more things. That is beside the fact that some of the material submitted was just badly thought out and poor science. Well, whether out of rushing around with the holidays and trying to get an issue out; we missed a couple things this month. They became matters of concern to certain individuals. Frankly, I have spent the week moderating the disputes of dealers in the meteorite business over things that we had little or no involvement in, except that they were written or done by contributing writers. This was never what the magazine was to be about. None of this has anything to do with the joy of studying meteorites and sharing stories. It involves egos and business. So when Paul called today with another problem created by one of our contributors, we came to the easy decision to drop the magazine. This reflects our general philosophy of life. As hard as we work, if the things we do in our spare time are not fun, we don't do them. Both of us have very little spare time. I work on average 55 hours a week in a high stress environment. Responsible for the entire operation of the production floor of a large printing company. He is working similarly stressful hours. As has so often be seen on this list, we are a community with some individuals who do not always work and play well with others. I have this week (and so has Paul) been in the nasty position of trying to balance long standing dear friendships with disputes created because we provided a place for the exchange of ideas. I will never choose losing friend over anything. It is my hope that when the dust settles that these individuals that I care deeply about will still choose to call me friend. I choose not to be hardened and ignore that there are friendships at stake. One meteorite investigator offended a dealer who is his friend. It occurred because of a photo used on our magazine. I took the blame for not seeing the offending element in the picture. But the thumbnail in our article did not have the element. The larger picture linked to our thumbnail which is not on our server was different. I took the blame I should have looked at every link to see what was there, probably a hundred links in this issue. Today, it is an argument over one person taking unfair advantage to promote themselves and their business; while not mentioning the activities of a similar kind by someone else. And these individuals are all good friends of ours. After raising four children and now having five grandchildren, I have despite my old nature become a pretty open person about my feelings. And all this saddens me and is frankly breaking my heart. To say the least it has taken the joy out of doing the magazine. With that said I offer an apology to anyone feeling slighted by anything we offered in the magazine. I have felt all week that there were maybe still black feathers in my mouth from the big meals of crow I have been eating. Paul and I spoke as I said rather briefly to agreed to this, and ended by saying we would send messages from our guts to the list, without discussing our posts with each other. I'm am just as interested as you to read what he says. Art I apologize to you also, this is the first non-meteoritic email I have ever sent, breaking one more rule today. Jim Tobin [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Meteorite Exchange __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cutting irons?
Hi Jamie What I know is that the irons will smear if you use a diamond blade (the metal smars on the blade itself and reduces the blades ability to cut. I've heard that for larger irons, they use those carbide cutoff blades, much cheaper overall than diamond and they don't get loaded up or smeared like diamond blades do. The downside is that your limited to whats avail commercially as to thickness of the blade and hense loss of material. Gravity feed will work fine for cutting most things including metal (which is the most common form of saw for cutting industrial metal). For smaller irons though, you might think about using a wire/grit saw. slower, but your material loss will be much less. This is how they cut very expensive opal for triplets and although the machines they use are really expensive, the process is simple and used in principle at many quaries for large blocks Mark - Original Message - From: Jamie Stephens [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Cutting irons? List Members, Here's a classic question: What's the best technique for cutting iron meteorites, including irons with schreibersite, cohenite, and other hard stuff? I've looked in the list archives, and the best advice I've found was leave it to the professionals. I've taken that advice (thanks, Jim), and I'll continue to. But I'd also like to see what I can learn first-hand. (Yet another way to spend lots of time and money on meteorites.) What blades are best? I have a 12 slab saw that can accomodate 10 blades. Oil only. Are the meteorite CBN blades better than good-quality, traditional diamond blades? I'd like to use 10 blades to minimize kerf/waste, but blade strength might be an issue. Power feed or gravity feed? I like the idea of constant force gravity feed into hard minerals. I'd appreciate any suggestions. --Jamie Stephens IMCA 2828 __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The many uses of tektites
but how would you do so without hurting one of their feelings cause you know you have favorites - Original Message - From: walter branch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2003 10:08 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The many uses of tektites Hello Everyone, Speaking of tektites, you have to read the description of this auction. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=19268item=2904081014 Makes me just want to hug the ones in my collection! -Walter Walter Branch, Ph.D. 322 Stephenson Save., Suite B Savannah, GA 31405 www.branchmeteorites.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] rare macros
Hi Rosemary A macro is just about any sized piece which can be observed without the aid of any magnification. Generally though, those pieces which fit into a 1" square or smaller case are not considered macros, but would be called thumbnails or micros, depending on size (with the thumbnail being about the size of your thumbnail). So, anything larger would fall under macro. Mark - Original Message - From: Rosemary Hackney To: Dave Mouat ; Michael Farmer Cc: STEVE ARNOLD ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] rare macros Was wondering.. just what is considered a macro? Is it a certain gram size.. or is it a fraction of TKW.. or ..is it just a big piece? Rosie - Original Message - From: Dave Mouat To: Michael Farmer Cc: STEVE ARNOLD ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 5:55 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] rare macros Hi Mike Happy New Year Your comment was exactly what I was thinking Dave Michael Farmer wrote: Steve, I have hundreds of them, most on my website. All other websites have them too.Mike Farmer - Original Message - From: STEVE ARNOLD To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2003 2:19 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] rare macrosDoes anyone have any rare macro meteorites? Steve r. Arnold, Chicago, il, 60107 The midwest meteorite collector! I.M.C.A. member #6728 Website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now
