Re: [meteorite-list] Malware email on met list
yes, I just received this same message. The from line was identified as Adam Hupe but I know it did not originate from Adam. Do not click on the link. My anti-viral program (Avast) identified the hyperlink as malicious. -Walter -Original Message- From: drtanuki Sent: Wednesday, December 19, 2012 5:30 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Malware email on met list Dear List, There is spam mail being sent out concerning online jobs. I have received emails from 2 list members that used their accounts. An identifier for this email is hey or hi and an MSNBC link Dirk Ross...Tokyo __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FS Ebay Auctions, part II
Hello Everyone, Last auctions for the year. Nothing spectacular. Just a small Henbury, Gao and Davy (a). All I have left. If interested, search on ebay seller branchmeteorites -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Meteorites (mostly martian and lunar) and books for sale
Hello Everyone, About once a year I gather up all the meteorites and related stuff I no longer need and offer them for sale. That time is now. I have several lunar and martian meteorites listed on ebay. Also some meteorite books, books about the planet mars and general astronomy books (for those who might be interested). None of the lunars are paired and none of the martians are paired. None are specks or dust. All have excellent provenance and I have stated from which dealer they were purchased and I will include dealer cards. All are started at .01. If interested, just do a search for seller id branchmeteorites Thanks. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteorite-list-archives.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] AD: Ebay Lunars and Martians and Books, oh My!
Hello Everyone, I have on ebay a single lot ending later today. It is a special lot consisting of 9 lunar and martian meteorites. No bids yet, but plenty of watchers. It is ebay item number 130697021199 or do a search on ebay id branchmeteorites I also need room on my bookshelfs so I am including, for list members, a selection of astronomy amd meteorite book. This is not stated in the ebay lot but If you win the lot, you may also select any 10 books from the lollowing list: Meteorite, Ice and Antartica by William Cassidy, Hard back, Dust Jacket. Like new condition. The Search for Life on Mars by Malcom Walter, softcover. Like New Condition. Exploring the Moon Through Binoculars and Small telescopes by Ernest H. Cherrington, Jr. Like new conditon. Turn Left at Orion, hard back with dust Jacket by Guy Consolmagno and Dan M. Davis. Like new condition. Destination Mars in Art, Myth and science by Martin Caidon and Jay Barbree with Susan Wright. Hard back with dust Jacket. Like new condition The Book of the Moon, by Rick Stroud, Hard Back wiht dust jacket. Ex libray with usual markings but otherwise excellent condition. Mars: The Lure of the Red Planet by William Sheehan and Stephen James O'Meara. Hard Back with dust jacket. Like New Condition. On the Moon, by Patrick Moore. Hard back with dust jacket. Like new condition. The Smithsonian Book of Mars by Joseph M. Boyce. Hard back with dust jacket. Like new condition. Mars beckons, by John Noble Wilford, softcover. Like new condition. Voyage to Mars: NASA's Search for Life Beyond Earth by Laurance Bergreen. Hard back with dust jacke. Like new condition. Uncovering the Secrets of the Red Planet by Paul Raeburn (National Geographic Society). Hard back with dust Jacket. Like new condition. Stars by James Kaler, softcover. Like new condition. The Case for Pluto by Alan Boyle. Hard cover. Ex-library with usual markings. Parallax: Teh Race to Measure the Cosmos by Alan W. Hirshfield, softcover, very small remainder mark on bottom. Philip's Atlas of the Universe, by Patrick Moore, softcover. Like new condition Mars Mission Reports vol 2, Apogee Books, softcover. New condition with DVD. Mars Mission Reports vol 1, Apogee Books, softcover. New conditon with DVD. Bright Star Atlas 2000, by Wil Trion and Brian Skiff, softcover new condition. On Mars: Exploration of the Red Planet 1958-1978 by Edward Clinton Ezell and Linda Neuman Ezell. Softcover new condition. Descriptions/reviews, etc for these book can be easily found at amazon. Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martin Altmann?
Martin, (apologies list members) I have been trying to contact you via email you but I am getting error messages and the mail won't go through. Please contact me off list. Thanks -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Professor Colin Pillinger lecture - Stones from the sky
Dr. Pillinger is mentioned a few times in Kathy Sawyer's book, The Rock From Mars: A detective story on two planets. (BTW, I highly recommend Sawyers book for anyone interestrd in ALH94001 and/or mars meteorites). A humerous example. Dr. Everette Gibson wanted inependent confirmation of the isotopic analysis of ALH 84001 so he contacted Pillinger. Colin, have you analyzed eight-four-double-oh-one for it's carbonates? No we have not, it's in our queue. Why? I'd rather not tell you our numbers, but I'd like for you to, if you would, move it forward. Ten days later,?Gibson got the phone call back from England. Neither party wanted to divulge first. Gibson thought the Alphonse-and-Gaston routine was kind of funny. What did you get? Well, what did you get? Eventually they told each other their numbers. The numbers were identical. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Trade: Telescope for Meteorites
Hello Everyone, I have been away from meteorites for some some time now, probably most of 2011. In 15 years of collecting, this is the longest I have been away from the hobby. I have been involved with a new hobby - learning to play guitar. Music, what a wonderful pastime! The corner of my bedroom is now sporting a fender stratocaster, brown sunburst pattern. A work of art! I love just looking at it as much as playing. Time to get back into meteorites. Telescopes have been a part of my life since I was a boy. Surprising to me, I have have done most of my recent observing with a small, short tube 80 mm scope. I rarely use my 10 inch dob anymore so it is for trade. I have for trade an Orion 10 inch Dobsonian intelliscope. This has been a very nice scope. I am the only owner. It is a 10 inch reflector type scope with a dobsonion base. It comes with a 2 inch Crayford focuser (with 1.25 inch adapter), cooling fan, Orion 9 x 50 right angle correct image finder, intelliscope hand controller and holster, instructions, endcaps, base and OTA. Shipped in the original shipping boxes. I will also include an Orion Q70 26 mm 2 inch eyepiece, since I won't be needing it anymore . There are no mechanical, cosmetic or optical issues with this scope. A few minor scuffs on the base do not affect it's performance at all. The views are outstanding and the object locator works great. Syrtis Major is easily identified from my location (SE Georgia) and E and F in the trapazium (Orion constellation) are no challenge for this scope. For those unfamilar with pushto telescopes, this scope comes equipped with a computr object locater, a handheld device which essentially helps you finds objects. For example, if you want to view the great Orion nubula (also knows as M 42) but don't know ehere to look (it's actually very easy to find) simply punch in M 42 and the computer tellls you how to move the scope to view it. Look in the eyepiece and there it is! It's that easy. One of my favorite clusters is NGC 457 (also known as as the ET cluster becasue it resembles the alien from the movie). With the hand controller, you can locate it in 30 seconds. Want to view Neptune or Vesta or even Pluto but don't know where to look. No problem finding it with the computer. It also has pre-programmed monthly guided tours of the best objects for any month. In addtion it has a really cool identify feature. Lets say you are cruising the milky way and you come across an interesting object. The computer knows what you are looking at even if you don't. Ask it to identify the objact and there you are. The scope retails for around $700.00. I woiuld like to trade for an interesting meteorite(s). What is interesting to me? I am mostly interested well documented good provenance lunar and martian meteorites, particularly this new Martian. A nice slice of Tissint would be wonderful. Or a lunar slice. I need either. A complete slice of Canyon diablo with beautiful etch (hello Mike Miller, are you reading this!) would be thrilling. What I am not interstd in, is a bumch of plain NWA material. Most ordinary chondrites do not interest me. I can send send images of the scope upon request but it is the same scope seen here: http://www.telescope.com/Telescopes/Dobsonian-Telescopes/IntelliScope-Dobsonians/Orion-SkyQuest-XT10i-IntelliScope-Dobsonian-Telescope/pc/1/c/12/sc/27/p/27184.uts?refineByCategoryId=27 You can also download the instructions for setting up and using this scope from the Orion site and you can google reviews. If you are interested, let me know what you have in trade and send pics. If you want to trade some cash, well that would be fine as well (I'm thinking $500.00). This is a large scope, around 60 lbs, shipped in two large and heavy boxes. Shipping will probably cost me around $100.00 Thanks very much. Nice to be back in meteorites again. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] FS: Lunar and Martian Meteorites
Hello Everyone, I have several lunar and martian meteorites ending this weekend on ebay. Several list members have already used the buy-it-now feature to get great bargains on some great specimens (they are on their way to you now). None of the lunars are paired and none of the martains are paired. I am including a free piece of anorthosite (terrestrial, of course) with each lunar purchase. I am including the provenance for each specimen. See my ebay listings here: http://shop.ebay.com/branchmeteorites/m.html Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] mercury escape numbers? can it be this?
Hi Rex, Escape velocity depends on the mass of the planet, not it's orbital parameters. Maybe I don't understand your question. Is this what you are asking? -Walter Not everything that can be counted, counts and not everything that counts can be counted. -A. Einstein. On Aug 5, 2011, at 12:04 PM, rexsca...@comcast.net wrote: I don't post much. I did not do the math. (my calculus has not been used much for many many years. would not if you had a highly highly elliptical orbit not have to have the full sun escape velocity as it could do the whip around gravitational boost effect from the sun. also would a highly elliptical orbit have less of a escape velocity? the second part could be wrong but the first one is always a possibility. (at least in my mind) :) -Rex Scates scalecubes.com But what about Mercury. Mercury's escape velocity is 4.3 km/s. But it's downstream from Earth and the Sun is a huge gravitational drain plug that devours material. If you think Earth gets a piece of Mars, imagine what the Sun gets from Mercury. To escape the Sun ... that is to go upstream towards Earth, at Mercury, any fragment would have to battle an escape velocity of 67.7 km/s. That's greater than Jupiter ! You might say ... ok, you don't have to actually escape the Sun, only make it from Mercury to Earth. Well, at Earth, the escape velocity is 42 km/s from the Sun. That's a loss of 25 km/s ... and don't forget the extra 4.3 km/s to get away from Mercury as well ... __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] 99th Anniversary Holbrook Hunt
Hello Everyone, I have been reading these posts about the hunt with interest. It sounds like everyone had a great time and the organizers are to be commended. They made it a wonderful experience for everyone. It's great to read about these hunts where so much good will was involved. And my-oh-my, how productive! Keep hunting. -Walter Branch - - Original Message - From: Ruben Garcia mrmeteor...@gmail.com To: Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com Cc: Meteorite-list Meteoritecentral meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, July 20, 2011 10:50 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] 99th Anniversary Holbrook Hunt Thanks Bob and all, I appreciate all the nice words but truthfully Jim and Wendy (like the Live video hosting I did last year) arranged just about everything! I only came up with the idea and then showed up. Thanks also to the 50 or so meteorite enthusiasts that took part. Two things now seem certain. One: there will be an organized 100th anniversary! Two: We won't find as much,. See everyone in Denver soon! On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 11:46 PM, Robert Verish bolidecha...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello All, Well, I've finally unloaded the truck and downloaded my camera images of our trip to the highly successful 99th Year Anniversary Holbrook Meteorite Hunt. After Moni got home from work we stayed-up late last night reviewing all of the images. I'm sure glad that Ben Fisler's son, Erik, is such a good photographer, and that they took time from finding all of those meteorites in order to record this event. Because, I think they'll be talking about this group hunt years from now. But, if I want to make any more predictions, I should save them for a future article, So, a big THANK YOU goes to Ruben Garcia (who is always the first person to volunteer to be host for any social gathering), for taking a casual comment about a 99 year anniversary and to turn it into a fun, group meteorite hunt (not that Ruben needs an excuse to socialize). And the same Thank you goes to Jim Wendy Wooddell for their logistical support and managing of the daily (and nightly) activities, which insured a successful social event. And to all of those who have taken the time to share their images and videos of the Holbrook Hunt with us, a big Thank you, as well. Although this group hunt has been ably documented by many of those in attendance, I still wish I had taken more images while hunting in the strewnfield. Especially of people making their very first meteorite find, because this only happens once in each finders lifetime. And to be able to re-live this event (even vicariously) through its recording, would be reinvigorating to the soul of every meteorite hunter. But I did record the group activities the evening before and after the Saturday hunt. And that is what I would like to comment on here. Upon arriving at the Motel 6 on Friday evening and entering into the central courtyard, it was as if we had registered for a symposium, because we encountered several dozen people standing around in small circles engaged in animated discussions (talking about meteorite-recovery). All that was missing were the name-tags. A good percentage of these people had never found a meteorite, and a few had never gone on a meteorite hunt before coming to Holbrook. Some of these neophytes had brought rocks they had found with the hope that one of the more experienced hunters would deem their hopeful as being a meteorite. All of the others were intently listening, trying to learn why these meteor-wrongs were not meteorites. The crowd around Ruben Garcia was particularly large. It seemed like the meteor-wrong discussions were going to last all night. Finally, almost out of desperation, Ruben brought out his collection of Holbrook stones and conducted an impromptu free-clinic on Meteorite Identification. I feel that Ruben's extra effort in educating, by conducting this class on meteorite ID, was a factor in the overall success of the hunt the next day. After Ruben's free-seminar, conversations over dinner would be centered on meteorites. After dinner, small groups would form to continue discussing various meteorite-related subjects long into the night. Then the next evening, even after a whole day of meteorite-hunting, everyone pitched-in to make the awards ceremony as memorable as making your first find. Jim and Wendy found the time to make Certificates of Achievement for all 47 participants, as well as, the trophy awards, not the least of which was the award bestowed upon Ruben for his unique social skills which made possible this anniversary-hunt as a historical day in meteorite-recovery. After Ruben accepted his award, he and Erik personally awarded each meteorite hunter with their Certificate, and in addition, if that person hadn't made a find that day, they were given an original Ruben Garcia
[meteorite-list] Central Peak of Crater Tycho
Hello Everyone, Someone on the Lunar Observing forum at Cloudy Nights posted this. Too good not to share. An outstanding photo of the central peak of the lunar crater Tycho, as imaged by the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/imagegallery/image_feature_1987.html Enjoy, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases andmeteoriterecovery)
Hi Mike, Another factor to consider is the proximity of Mars to the asteroid belt, relative to the Earth and earth's moon. Not being an expert in orbital mechanics, I would presume that, other factors being equal, Mars would have received more asteroid impacts simply because it borders the belt. Apropos, I believe Phobos and Deimos are captured asteroids. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases andmeteoriterecovery) Hi List, Well, my lunar meteorite moon base idea has been roundly rejected by a host of all-stars from the world of meteorites and science. Everyone from Dr. Korotev to Sterling Webb have shot down my pipe dream with great logic that I cannot refute. I concede and close my comic book now! ;) Ok, so the Lunar surface is not densely littered, or even lightly-peppered with meteorites - if they could be called meteorites at all. Humor me one last time, let's continue to indulge the fantasy just a bit more before we stop flogging this dead equine... The rate of lunar impacts can be a bit more frequent than we thought, but with no atmospheric braking, the meteoroids are coming in at hypervelocity and they annihilate themselves on impact, or leave behind only shattered and shocked tiny remnants that are quickly absorbed into the character of the lunar surface. So, what I am curious about is Mars. Mars obviously has much more of an atmosphere than the Moon, but the air is still quite tenuous on Mars, and it can't possibly provide a fraction of the braking action that Earth's thick blanket does. So, shouldn't the Martian surface be fairly devoid of meteorites as well? Wouldn't we put Mars somewhere between Earth and the Moon when it comes to the number of meteorites that survive the trip to the surface? We all know about the Meridiani Planum meteorite on Mars, so how lucky did Opportunity get? Did Opportunity literally get the lucky opportunity of a lifetime? Or, might there be more meteorites waiting to be found, especially if Mars perhaps had a thicker atmosphere in the past and/or if geological forces concentrated meteorites in sweet spots on the Martian surface? (ala Antarctica) There is no real need to go retrieve meteorites from the surfaces of other worlds. But, when the day comes, far from now (hopefully sooner), when man has colonies or permanent bases on other worlds, we will occasionally run across meteorites on other worlds as we carry out our other routine works. Surface work and mining will turn up the odd specimen from time to time. On the Moon, the surface has been geologically dead (basically) for a long long time. So, with no mechanical weathering and no chemical weathering, anything that survived the rifle-shot fall to the surface in the last billion (2?) years is still extant and waiting to be foundright? The $64 question is - How many such meteorites (lunarites?) are there waiting to be found now? The expert qualified consensus says - Not very many, if any at all. Mars had a more complex history atmospherically and geologically than the Moon, so I assume the formulas of meteorite frequency would differ as such? Best regards, MikeG PS - WANTED : an etched part-slice of Meridiani Planum, roughly palm-sized, 2-3mm thick. Will trade gold-pressed latinum. Contact me off-list with offers. :) -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/28/11, Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com wrote: From: MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com To: etmeteori...@hotmail.com; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2011 2:35 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] trips to the Moon (Moon bases and meteoriterecovery) You want to go the the nearer Lagrangian Points in plain space between the Earth and Moon. That is where the most fascinating stuff is to be found, written in unaltered stone the genesis of the Moon and plenty more debris to keep scientists and collectors busy and overworked for the nex 10,000 years! There are no known Earth Trojans. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye
Science humor... I love it. -Walter Branch Not everything that can be counted, counts and not everything that counts can be counted. -A. Einstein. On Jun 27, 2011, at 9:37 PM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Video of 2011MD against background stars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjbA21jjsc The pass was at 7600 miles (instead of the predicted 7500 miles) and it was 3.5 hours late from the predicted time. Mr. Newton could not be reached for comment. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye
Dang Rob. Little wonder there is a minor planet named after you. I think that should be upgraded to at least a dwarf planet. -Walter Branch Not everything that can be counted, counts and not everything that counts can be counted. -A. Einstein. On Jun 28, 2011, at 12:52 AM, Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net wrote: Whoops! Actually, I was the late one. The orbital elements for 2011 MD were updated several days ago. http://www.projectpluto.com/2011md.htm The closest approach was re-calculated for not 13:30 UTC but 17:00 UTC and the point of closest approach projected on the Earth shifted by some 50 degrees... I missed the update and so did at least one news outlet (The Mail Telegraph, UK) who reported it late. The shame of it -- to do no better than a newspaper! Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye Hi All, I'm sure Sterling is well aware of this, but it's worth pointing out to the masses that 2011 MD wasn't late. People are simply guilty of blindly believing their favorite piece of software, apparently ignorant of the limitations of non-integrating propagation. When an asteroid is well within the sphere of influence of the earth, it is hardly appropriate to use a program that's based on Kepler's two-body equations... --Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Sterling K. Webb Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:37 PM To: Meteorite List Subject: [meteorite-list] Asteroid 2011MD Bye-bye Video of 2011MD against background stars: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUjbA21jjsc The pass was at 7600 miles (instead of the predicted 7500 miles) and it was 3.5 hours late from the predicted time. Mr. Newton could not be reached for comment. Sterling K. Webb __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
Hi Grag, I enjoyed the book very much. It's on my bookshelf now. It is easy to read and not too technical. You get some insights into the thinking of the scientists involved in analyzing ALH 84001, from Robbie Score (she found it) to David McKay (of McKay et al.), including some scientists who are list members. It's also very inexpensive. Used copies in great condition can be found on Amazon for oly a few dollars. Oh, and anyone who thinks scientists are always cold, emotionless and completely objective with motivations purely scientific, read this book (among others). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer List: Has anyone read the book, The Rock from Mars? what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: I can't believe I read the whole thing. Bill Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless IMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http
Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer
H IGrag, Oops, sorry. Meant Greg. -Walter - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, June 15, 2011 6:44 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer Hi Grag, I enjoyed the book very much. It's on my bookshelf now. It is easy to read and not too technical. You get some insights into the thinking of the scientists involved in analyzing ALH 84001, from Robbie Score (she found it) to David McKay (of McKay et al.), including some scientists who are list members. It's also very inexpensive. Used copies in great condition can be found on Amazon for oly a few dollars. Oh, and anyone who thinks scientists are always cold, emotionless and completely objective with motivations purely scientific, read this book (among others). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Greg Stanley stanleygr...@hotmail.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:37 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Book: The Rock from Mars: by Kathy Sawyer List: Has anyone read the book, The Rock from Mars? what are your thoughts? Is it worth buying? Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2011, at 7:47 PM, bill kies parkforest...@hotmail.com wrote: I can't believe I read the whole thing. Bill Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 22:36:30 -0400 From: danfur...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS careless IMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out
Re: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member
I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not Hi Dan, What was the response of the IMCA when you filed a complaint with them? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Dan Furlan danfur...@gmail.com To: met-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] regarding post of NWA 001 question PLUS carelessIMCA member O.k. Everybody, I have spoken to the IMCA member who tried selling me the NWA 001, after i confirmed with Adam Hupe and Dean Bessey and several other people who know a lot about this meteorite and i knew for certain it was practically impossible to have a half stone of NWA 001 that weighed 16 grams i went ahead and i confronted this IMCA member. It turns out that he apparently misread the label and it was not NWA 001 but that it was NWA 010. This is the second critical error this IMCA member has made. The first major error was when i ordered a .76 gram of lunar meteorite from him. He sent me a .23 gram piece instead of what i had paid for and i sent it back to him for a refund. His excuse was that his scale might of been off, but if that is the case then why was this item listed on ebay several times and one of the times it actually sold which means the buyer canceled the transaction and/or returned the item. Then his excuse changed after i sent him several pictures of the piece weighed on different scales of mine as i own over 6 scales and showed him the same weight of .23 grams on each scale. His new excuse was that he had two pieces and mailed me the wrong piece. So then i said o.k. no problem mail me the right piece and then he came up with another excuse stating that he is not sure where the bigger piece is because his son took it. So after i mailed him back the item for a refund is when he tried to sell me the NWA 001 instead of the refund which i became suspicious of when he stated it was a half stone and only after did i confront him about it did he tell me he made a mistake in reading the label. Two critical errors in a row made by an IMCA member makes me wonder a lot of things. I have recieved several emails asking about who this person is and it seems that all the people who are emailing already suspected somebody and they all suspect the same person. I do not want to give his name in a public format because i do not want to cause any problems for this person and maybe both times his mistake were honest mistakes. I have been selling and buying meteorite and meteorite related material for many years and I have never made such critical errors let alone twice in a row I have always been honest and double check everything i sell to make sure problems like this don't happen. I feel this member has behaved very carelessly and even if these mistakes where of an honest nature i think i never want to deal with them again. I am sorry that this experience has made me question the validity of IMCA logo's and i will be extra careful in the future when buying anything from anybody i don't know whether they are an IMCA member or not, one of the best dealers i know isn't an IMCA member and i never had any problems with him... I hope nobody has to go through the same experience i am going through right now just because somebody doesn't pay close attention to what they are doing when conducting business. Like i said there is a small chance that fraud was involved but even if these were honest mistakes they are unacceptable according to my standards and the way i do business. Rest assured anybody out there who deals with me i would never make such mistakes and I always take the up-most care to ensure that what you buy from me is as described and authentic and i double check everything before i ship it out and i think everybody who deals with meteorites should do the same thing. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Facebook
Facebook is a waste of *MY* time. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Eric Wichman e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] OT: Facebook Facebook a waste of time...? Hundreds of millions of people now use Facebook as their open-id to keep their online profiles consolidated and allow one-click-login to a myriad of sites all over the web. Facebook is worth billions upon billions of dollars, over 500 million users on Facebook, companies make untold millions of dollars using Facebook for their businesses, and it connects hundreds of millions of people worldwide, has helped raise hundreds of millions dollars for causes and charities worldwide. Facebook has helped educate the illiterate, empower women, feed the hungry, house the homeless, fund scientific research for countless technologies -medical and commercial. Facebook (and Twitter) has helped propagate political revolutions of freedom through the world, and allows like minded individuals all over the planet to communicate unimpeded by the limits of human transportation, region, culture, race, or the oppressions of government or religion. It connects, it teaches, it learns, it's the new internet. I would beg to differ on your opinion that Facebook is a waste of time. Regards, Eric On 6/13/2011 11:54 PM, Dan Furlan wrote: i stopped using facebook a few years ago because its a waste of time. Daniel Furlan collector and dealer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Possible Fall Found in Radar Data, Northern WI
Hello Jake, Meteorites fall at random. The odds are exactly the same as if one had hit an ice flow at the north pole and one hit McMurdo station in Antartrica. Though the one at McMurdo would be easier to retrieve. Do a google search on wethersfield meteorite. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Jake Schaefer jakeschaefe...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2011 9:49 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Possible Fall Found in Radar Data, Northern WI I found a possible fall in northern Wisconsin that occurred on 5/10/2010. It has radar hits from 4 stations, tons of eye witness accounts, and a nearby seismograph picked up a strong signal shortly after the meteor passed. I have detailed my findings here: http://3dradar.wordpress.com/2011/06/03/newly-found-fall-northern-wi/ What do you all think about this event? Seems fairly forested land unlike the farmlands of southern Wisconsin. But what are the odds of 2 falls in 1 state in less than a month of each other??? -Jake __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Adam- There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Which ones and what characteristics? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Mike, I think it is good to have contests and bring issues to the forefront. You claimed: But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. My response: There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Don't get me wrong, ALH84001 is a unique and fantastic stone. I believe there are equally fantastic and unique stones from the Sahara and more of them than from Antarctica. They are just not thrown in front of the press and promoted as hard. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:22:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Adam, Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. Some weigh less than 1g. I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) LOL I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some knowledge gain. :) Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts!
Adam, This is true, however I was thinking more along the lines of the crystallization age of ALH8400 setting it apart from all other Martian meteorites, making it truly unique among Martians. Do you or anyone else know of a Martian meteorite which comes close to the crystallization age of ALH84001? Maybe I missed it. If so, I would be grateful for any info. -Walter - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Walter and List, While I am certainly no expert on the subject, the discovery of organized elements (fossil lifeforms) like the ones that made ALH84001 famous have been found in every Nakhlite that has been analyzed so far. Researches told me and reported in the news that NWA 998 is choked full of these same structures. I suspended sells of NWA 998 a long time ago so this is not a trick on my behalf to promote it. The researchers are doing a great job of this themselves. Nakhla was the second meteorite that these organized elements, for lack of a better term, were found. I think Jim Strope has some available despite his announcement that all sales of NWA 998 are suspended until further notice. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 5:13:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Adam- There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Which ones and what characteristics? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com To: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2011 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge,Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Mike, I think it is good to have contests and bring issues to the forefront. You claimed: But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. My response: There are other Martian Meteorites (Nakhlites) that exhibit the same characteristics that made this stone most famous. Don't get me wrong, ALH84001 is a unique and fantastic stone. I believe there are equally fantastic and unique stones from the Sahara and more of them than from Antarctica. They are just not thrown in front of the press and promoted as hard. Best Regards, Adam - Original Message From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com Cc: Adam meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, May 24, 2011 4:22:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Test your Meteorite Knowledge, Win a Free Assortment of Micromounts! Hi Adam, Good point and I had not considered that. It does seem like more than half of the Antarctics in the Bulletin weigh less than 2-5 grams. Some weigh less than 1g. I think we need to make sure that all NWA meteorites get their fair due and receive individual classification. What reputable scientist will now step forward and agree to classify (pro bono) one million sandblasted H5/W4 fragments? Any volunteers? Ted? Alan? Tony? ;) LOL I also agree that, hands down, the Sahara has produced far more rare types and planetaries than Antarctica. But, Antarctica still claims the Holy Grail (to some) of meteorites - ALH84001. I'm glad I posted this little contest today, it has resulted in some knowledge gain. :) Best regards, MikeG - - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/pages/Galactic-Stone-Ironworks/218849894809686 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - - On 5/24/11, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: As far as Antarctic finds go, the numbers are skewed and biased. Every fragment is counted as a find. The finds from Antarctica are only a fraction of what they once were. Pretty soon, it won't be cost effective to work this area. If they counted the number of meteorites from Northwest Africa the same way, then there would easily be over one million pieces. There must be over 100,000 pieces of NWA 869 alone! The Sahara Desert is by far the most productive meteorite producing region in the world, second to none! More weight and rare specimens have come from this area by far. Best Regards, Adam __ Visit the Archives at http
Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] THE SUN EATS A COMET?
Hello Bob and Elton and List, You are correct Bob. It is a coincidental Coronal Mass Ejection (CME). See the SOHO website here... http://sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov/pickoftheweek/ Scientists, however, have yet to find a convincing physical connection between sun-grazing comets and coronal mass ejections. In fact, analysis of this CME using images from the Solar Dynamics Observatory shows that the CME erupted before the comet came close enough to the solar surface to interact with strong magnetic fields. Clear skies! -Walter - Original Message - From: Bob King nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, May 18, 2011 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] [IMCA] THE SUN EATS A COMET? Hi Elton, It was almost certainly coincidence according to the SOHO website. The comet was too small to have an effect and vaporized well above the sun's surface. Bob On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 10:45 PM, MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com wrote: Gazonks! That affected an entire hemisphere and then some. I assume it was a time lapse clip but if legit, an astonishing reminder of the potential for devastation had we been in the path. I hope an observatory somewhere caught the actual impact/shockwave. Thanks for the link. Elton From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: i...@imcamail.de Sent: Tue, May 17, 2011 10:29:08 PM Subject: [IMCA] THE SUN EATS A COMET? Hello Listees, This posted on LiveLeak a an hour or so ago. It purports to show a comet captured by the Sun. http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6c1_1305678323 Regards, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imca ___ IMCA mailing list i...@imcamail.de http://lists.imcamail.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/imca __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carl Esparza removed from IMCA
Hello Jim, My thoughts as well. Carl, what are your comments surrounding this matter? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: jim_brady...@o2.co.uk To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, May 09, 2011 5:21 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Carl Esparza removed from IMCA anybody got a link to what happened before with this man and why he was removed as I don't recall it. added to the blacklist for your current silence and refusal to name the Mifflin fraudster Jim Brady IMCA 2424 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns
Hello Michael, It really is not that easy. As this example illustrates, even honest dealers can be duped. I purchase meteorites from a very small list of dealers. Very small. I have done business with some for 15 years; two I started buying from this year. All have earned my complete trust. However... While I trust these dealer to not intentionally dupe me, how do I know they trust their sources and they have done their due diligence in the same way I have? As an example, I applaud Anne Black for setting the example of providing provenance for her meteorites but how am I assured the person who sold a given specimen it to Anne did what Anne and I would have done? BTW, I trust Anne. I sold some meteorites recently. I listed the dealers I purchased the meteorites from. I sold one last week that I obtained from Matt Morgan. I told the purchaser I got it from Matt. Did Matt vett his source, as I have done Matt? I don't know. Did the person before them? I don't know. BTW, I trust Matt. Remember the, what was it, sandstone dinosaur egg incident? As we can see, the chain of custody can become quite complicated. I have been concerned for a long time now about this sort of thing happening. The surprising thing to me is that it did not happen sooner. This whole incident is really getting to me. I have had it on my mind all day. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns How can I be sure that any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? -- Easy, We have only been saying this on the list since The list began: Buy from a dealer known for honesty And integrity. God bless the IMCA and the hard workers of the Board BUT I do not consider an IMCA number to be The equivalent of honesty and integrity. I know an example where two new dealers applied. One was accepted The other was told to, essentially, get some more experience Under his belt. Well, I knew him personally as a person Of honor. The irony was I also knew the other dealer and That individual had attempted to increase price on me AFTER I had sent money for a new fall. Between the Two, there was no question in my mind in whom I would Have confidence. So, no, I do not consider an IMCA logo Sufficient in and of itself to guarantee authenticity. (I DO consider it sufficient to pursue action if I am defrauded, However) Additionally, failing to KNOW people who have long Standing honorable dealings - such as ET, Mike Farmer, Anne Black, Geoff Notkin, etc, etc, etc, then I would take An unknown IMCA member over an entirely unknown entity. In fact, I would not deal with an entirely unknown Entity again - unless I KNEW what I was getting was What I was paying for through other sources than the Seller. (IE I could see by looking at it, it has distinctive Features unique to that fall, the seller bought his stash From someone I know, etc). So, the answer to your question is simple: Buy only From dealers you know AND TRUST or, at the very least from IMCA members. Warm regards, Michael On 5/8/11 8:54 AM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello List. This latest Mifflin business has me very disturbed, and brings up a question I've been meaning to ask you all for a while now: How can I be sure that any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? Of course there are obvious stones like Camel Donga, (all those that stand alone with external character)...but up until now, only my trust in reputations has allowed me to be comfortable, along with provenance and labels, chain of custody, etc. Yet, now I'll hesitate to acquire whole stones (one of my favorites is to collect wholes and stand-up-by-themselves specimens)...without knowing the back-story comes from someone with honor. I will, however, not hesitate to buy specimens from those of you whole continue to demonstrate honor. Reputations are as important as thorough classifications. This recent incident is exactly what we don't need. If there is honor anywhere, it has been demonstrated by the refundings/returns of those unfortunate to have been affected. Congrats to those of you who did. Only finding the head of the snake will put this all to rest. Or, we all carry microprobes in our backpacks. Richard Montgomery __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Teachin' a pig to dance is a waste of time and it irritates the pig Mark Twain -- 1. Whenever you're wrong, admit it, 2. Whenever you're right, shut up. Shaquille O'Neal
Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns
Anne- Does that help? No problem, thus nothing to help. and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy Which was the point of my post. -Walter - Original Message - From: impact...@aol.com To: waltbra...@bellsouth.net; mlbl...@cox.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 10:14 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns Well, Walter, I cannot speak for Matt, but I have found that getting complete provenance and Proof of provenance is not always all that easy. I just discussed with a collector who has been collecting for many years, but has moved several times in his life; he could tell me exactly what each piece was and who he had bought it from (and some were from Matt) but he has lost most of the paperwork. And 2 years ago I bought a whole collection (some 200 pieces) that had been boxed and stored in a closet for at least ten years. Again, some of the labels and receipts were there but not all of them, some were missing, some he just had little pieces of paper that he had handwritten and stuffed in the boxes. Since he had stopped collecting some ten years prior, much before meteorites got popular, I decided to take his word for it, but I had some of the pieces verified. So I believe I have the right stuff, but you will have to take my word for it, and you will only get my label. In other words, it is the same old story: know your dealer, and deal only with dealers you trust. Does that help? Anne M. Black _www.IMPACTIKA.com_ (http://www.IMPACTIKA.com) _IMPACTIKA@aol.com_ (mailto:impact...@aol.com) President of IMCA _www.IMCA.cc_ (http://www.IMCA.cc) In a message dated 5/8/2011 6:27:18 PM Mountain Daylight Time, waltbra...@bellsouth.net writes: Hello Michael, It really is not that easy. As this example illustrates, even honest dealers can be duped. I purchase meteorites from a very small list of dealers. Very small. I have done business with some for 15 years; two I started buying from this year. All have earned my complete trust. However... While I trust these dealer to not intentionally dupe me, how do I know they trust their sources and they have done their due diligence in the same way I have? As an example, I applaud Anne Black for setting the example of providing provenance for her meteorites but how am I assured the person who sold a given specimen it to Anne did what Anne and I would have done? BTW, I trust Anne. I sold some meteorites recently. I listed the dealers I purchased the meteorites from. I sold one last week that I obtained from Matt Morgan. I told the purchaser I got it from Matt. Did Matt vett his source, as I have done Matt? I don't know. Did the person before them? I don't know. BTW, I trust Matt. Remember the, what was it, sandstone dinosaur egg incident? As we can see, the chain of custody can become quite complicated. I have been concerned for a long time now about this sort of thing happening. The surprising thing to me is that it did not happen sooner. This whole incident is really getting to me. I have had it on my mind all day. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns
No fakes in my collection! Well that's not entirely true. Mike Gilmer recently sent me some really cool looking iron meteoerwrongs but he identified them as such! Thanks Mike. I really don't collect meteorwrongs but they are interesting in their own right. There is a thread on one of the cloudy nights forums concerning a certain book which is passed from one amateur astronomer to another. The only requirement is that the person obtaining the book send it to someone else. No money exchanges hands - just the book. Anybody want to see these iron wrongs. Just email me and I will send them along but you have to do the same for someone else. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns OK, I think all of you are right. Therefore, you should all send me Your entire meteorite collections - then I will be stuck with any and All fakes in your collections. Just trying to be helpful, Michael On 5/8/11 5:17 PM, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Hello Michael, It really is not that easy. As this example illustrates, even honest dealers can be duped. I purchase meteorites from a very small list of dealers. Very small. I have done business with some for 15 years; two I started buying from this year. All have earned my complete trust. However... While I trust these dealer to not intentionally dupe me, how do I know they trust their sources and they have done their due diligence in the same way I have? As an example, I applaud Anne Black for setting the example of providing provenance for her meteorites but how am I assured the person who sold a given specimen it to Anne did what Anne and I would have done? BTW, I trust Anne. I sold some meteorites recently. I listed the dealers I purchased the meteorites from. I sold one last week that I obtained from Matt Morgan. I told the purchaser I got it from Matt. Did Matt vett his source, as I have done Matt? I don't know. Did the person before them? I don't know. BTW, I trust Matt. Remember the, what was it, sandstone dinosaur egg incident? As we can see, the chain of custody can become quite complicated. I have been concerned for a long time now about this sort of thing happening. The surprising thing to me is that it did not happen sooner. This whole incident is really getting to me. I have had it on my mind all day. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net To: Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net; Meteorite List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, May 08, 2011 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ANSWER - whole stone concerns How can I be sure that any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? -- Easy, We have only been saying this on the list since The list began: Buy from a dealer known for honesty And integrity. God bless the IMCA and the hard workers of the Board BUT I do not consider an IMCA number to be The equivalent of honesty and integrity. I know an example where two new dealers applied. One was accepted The other was told to, essentially, get some more experience Under his belt. Well, I knew him personally as a person Of honor. The irony was I also knew the other dealer and That individual had attempted to increase price on me AFTER I had sent money for a new fall. Between the Two, there was no question in my mind in whom I would Have confidence. So, no, I do not consider an IMCA logo Sufficient in and of itself to guarantee authenticity. (I DO consider it sufficient to pursue action if I am defrauded, However) Additionally, failing to KNOW people who have long Standing honorable dealings - such as ET, Mike Farmer, Anne Black, Geoff Notkin, etc, etc, etc, then I would take An unknown IMCA member over an entirely unknown entity. In fact, I would not deal with an entirely unknown Entity again - unless I KNEW what I was getting was What I was paying for through other sources than the Seller. (IE I could see by looking at it, it has distinctive Features unique to that fall, the seller bought his stash From someone I know, etc). So, the answer to your question is simple: Buy only From dealers you know AND TRUST or, at the very least from IMCA members. Warm regards, Michael On 5/8/11 8:54 AM, Richard Montgomery rickm...@earthlink.net wrote: Hello List. This latest Mifflin business has me very disturbed, and brings up a question I've been meaning to ask you all for a while now: How can I be sure that any whole stone be properly labeled as classified? Of course there are obvious stones like Camel Donga, (all those that stand alone with external character)...but up until now, only my trust in reputations has allowed me to be comfortable
Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites
Martin and Stefan, That is an AMAZING video! Very nicely done. I saved a copy to my hard drive. Looking forward to your next video :-). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net To: Chladnis Heirs n...@chladnis-heirs.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites Hi Martin and Stefan, Let me be the first to say, Wow!, I am very impressed!! That is really cool, love the 'intro', I may have to hire you to do some intros for me for future projects, or anyone else who knows how to do this. I am finding out today hat the video world is a completely different beast now, software that makes things a whole lot easier. Excellent job, guys!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Chladnis Heirs Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:20 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites Hello there, as it seems, that videos presenting meteorites from all sides are appreciated by you, let us show a little one we made a while ago from some of our planetaries. We animated a little intro to set the stones in a context. Well, here it is, the production from the Chladni Studios. ;-) http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/Filme/pl-meteorites.mp4 (has 77MB) Hope, you'll like it. Martin Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites
Mike, Itunes can play it, since itunes it uses the apple quicktime player. Itunes comes already installed on many computers. I prefer avi format as these files are easily edited using virtual dub ( a free program) . Ruben. I have also used AVS to convert files. Works well and is easy to use. I just converted the mp4 file it to an avi file. If anyone (Mike?) wants a copy let me know. The original mp4 files size is 79, 204 kb and the avi file I made is 46, 254 kb. Same quality, just smaller. -Walter - Original Message - From: Galactic Stone Ironworks meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: Chladnis Heirs n...@chladnis-heirs.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites Now you guys are killing me. I'd like to see this video. My media player (WMP) won't open an MP4. Do I need to download a new codec for it, or do I need an entirely different player? (hopefully not the latter) Best regards, MikeG --- Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 On 5/3/11, Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net wrote: Martin and Stefan, That is an AMAZING video! Very nicely done. I saved a copy to my hard drive. Looking forward to your next video :-). -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@centurylink.net To: Chladnis Heirs n...@chladnis-heirs.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:13 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites Hi Martin and Stefan, Let me be the first to say, Wow!, I am very impressed!! That is really cool, love the 'intro', I may have to hire you to do some intros for me for future projects, or anyone else who knows how to do this. I am finding out today hat the video world is a completely different beast now, software that makes things a whole lot easier. Excellent job, guys!! Best Regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection gmh...@centurylink.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 -Original Message- From: Chladnis Heirs Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 4:20 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Video of Lunar and Martian Meteorites Hello there, as it seems, that videos presenting meteorites from all sides are appreciated by you, let us show a little one we made a while ago from some of our planetaries. We animated a little intro to set the stones in a context. Well, here it is, the production from the Chladni Studios. ;-) http://www.chladnis-heirs.com/Filme/pl-meteorites.mp4 (has 77MB) Hope, you'll like it. Martin Stefan Chladni's Heirs Munich - Berlin Fine Meteorites for Science Collectors http://www.chladnis-heirs.com __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Big ebay sale: Martians and Lunars and more (oh my!)
Hello Everyone, Once each year I sell off specimens I am no longer interested in or have duplicates of or whatever reason. Last year, at about this time, my posted meteorites sold out within 24 hours. I have some exceptional lunar and martian meteorites listed on ebay. Over a dozen active auctions. Some auctions have already sold, even before I finished listing them all this morning. All have very good start auction prices and very good buy-it-now prices. Good material at good prices. There are also books and storage boxes. I also have a unique item. A custom made meteorite storage and display case, full of empty 35 x 55 x 15 mm storage boxes just waiting for your micromounts. Even if you are not interested in bidding, take look and tell me what you think. The listings say I will ship to the US only but that is not true. If you live outside the US I will ship to you and charge the actual shipping costs (no padded profit). And finally, a special offer just for meteorite list members. Purchase at least $1000.00 in meteorites I will ship for free and include a neat Mars globe. It is this one http://www.shopatsky.com/product/Mars-Globe-With-DVD-For-Free/maps-and-globes Produced by Sky Publishing (Sky and Telescope). It is 12 inches in diameter and comes with a Mars DVD, stand and descriptive booklet. One hundred and forty features are named. If you are are like me and you enjoy looking at Mars through a telescope, you can for example observe Mars through the scope, identify Syrtis Major with the help of this globe then hold a piece of Mars in you hand. How cool is that! To see my lots on ebay, just do a search on seller branchmeteorites Thanks for looking. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? (Was: Cold Asteroids May Have A Soft Heart)
Hello Eric, Will radar even work in space? If so, what's the range, and how would it work? Radar does indeed work in space. The Gemini mission used radar to practice spacecraft rendezvous in preparation for the Apollo lunar landings. As well, with the actual landings, radar was used during the descent and ascent phases. It was the ascent radar being accidentally switched on which caused the infamous 1201 and 1202 alarms during the descent phase of Apollo 11. As to the economy of using space-based radar to search for NEOs. As others have pointed out, nahhh. -Walter. - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2011 1:15 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Space Radar? (Was: Cold Asteroids May Have A Soft Heart) Richard, List, Since smaller meteoroids and asteroids are nearly undetectable in space, and we're currently searching optically with telescopes. Is it possible to detect meteoroids/asteroids with space based radar? Will radar even work in space? If so, what's the range, and how would it work? Do we have something like this? I know we have space based weather radar satellites, but what about pointing them into empty space to search for asteroids? Sorry if this is a dumb question... Just curious. Regards, Eric On 4/13/2011 10:00 PM, Richard A. Kowalski wrote: Small chunks of Vesta in earth crossing orbits, say 10 meters in diameter, the size that can drop tens of kilos on the earth's surface, are very difficult to detect. In fact something this size may only be detected a few days before impact, if at all. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter
All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -Edmund Burke - - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2011 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter All this negative talk about the negative talk Adam, doesn't help either. Doing nothing, accomplishes nothing. If we keep our mouths shut, the media tramples us with non-facts, and the uninformed public will believe it. We have a duty to the meteorite world to publish scientifically correct information and rebuttals and to keep it truthful and factual. Regards, Eric On 4/12/2011 12:57 PM, Adam Hupe wrote: I agree with what Rob said about changing the context even slightly. I think it best to avoid all forms of media these days, good or bad. Grave talk of land-owner swindles, smuggling, black markets, fraud and lawsuits we have been exposed to lately in the press has already done an untold amount of damage. It is unlikely that this avocation can survive much more of this. The damage is real, accumulates over time and can't be done overnight. Adam - Original Message From: Matson, Robert D.robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tue, April 12, 2011 12:40:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Darryl's edited NYT letter Hi All, The main problem with the Times' editing of Darryl's submission is that they altered his factually correct letter into an inaccurate (or at best, misleading) one. The following sentences appeared in the Times' edited version: As a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 specimens from Mars and 43 specimens from the Moon have been discovered in the deserts since the mid-1990s. The number of such specimens recovered by scientists beforehand? Not one. Since the mid-1990s? Just four. Now compare this with what Darryl actually submitted: ... as a result of the harvesting done by Bedouins, Berbers and others, 32 istinct specimens of Mars and 43 distinct specimens of the Moon, as well as other exotic samples, have been discovered in the hot deserts since the mid-1990s---all of which have undergone study. Conversely, not one such specimen was recovered by scientists IN THESE REGIONS [emphasis mine] before this time, and since then scientists have recovered only four such specimens. This significant error of omission invites researchers in-the-know to accuse Darryl of being uninformed, and by inference unfairly calling into question his credentials for opining on the subject. This is the problem with journalists uneducated in scientific disciplines -- they don't appreciate the nuances introduced by the seemingly harmless removal of a word here, or a short phrase there. The sciences are not like prose: every word is usually there for a reason. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Rebuttal to NY Times article
Nicely done, Anne. You addressed the major issues brought up in the original article without resorting to name-calling, back-stabbing and childish behavior in general. A rarity. But then, so are you. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space
Mike- Good point. Martin has written excellent material along these these lines. -Walter - - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: m...@mhmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, April 04, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space I'd point the editors to the mountain of rebuttals that Martin Altmann has posted to the List in the past on the subject of meteorites and laws. The collector versus science pseudo-conflict makes for dramatic reading, but it has no basis in reality. Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 4/4/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: Perhaps one of the many esteemed researchers on this list would be kind enough to write a rebuttal. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 14:44:02 To: Meteorite-listmeteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] BS In The NYT: Black Market Trinkets From Space For those who are inclined to do so, you can certainly write a letter to the editor which may be published in the Opinions page of the NY times as a response: http://www.nytimes.com/content/help/site/editorial/letters/letters.html?ref=letters -YvW On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 2:30 PM, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: This is one of the most sensationalized, biased, uninformed, and skewed article I've ever read on NYT's website regarding meteorites. Mainly the article focuses on the Gebel Kamil iron meteorite, however it paints a grim picture and tries to draw a connection to all meteorites implying that the private market is somehow damaging the science. Black Market Trinkets From Space: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/05/science/05meteorite.html Quote: Popular or not, the meteorites were taboo. In Egypt and elsewhere, scientists say, it is illegal without a permit to remove meteorites from a country. Quote: The scientists say they have relatively few samples compared with the booming illicit sales. Quote: Dr. Harvey of Case Western Reserve said the quandary applied to the scientific community as a whole. The rampant looting of meteorite sites and skyrocketing prices for the fragments, he said, “dramatically reduce who can get samples to do the research. Quote: The black market has exploded in size mainly because of a rush of new meteorites arriving from North Africa and the Arabian Peninsula. Quote: The collectors association, founded in 2004 in Nevada, now has hundreds of members around the globe. And while some traders deal in legitimate exports, many do not. One buyer expressed remorse after reading about scientific angst over the thriving market. “I’m very ashamed,” the buyer wrote on a blog. “I’m surely a part of the problem. This article is irresponsible and borderline yellow journalism from the NYT. They should be ashamed for running such a biased and uninformed story. Well over half of the article weighs on the disadvantages and more than infers a possible damage to science which is not there. It almost completely ignores the great good that's been accomplished through private collecting/hunting/curating or meteorites and the contributions that have been made by private collectors and hunters. It never mentions donations to institutions, how much of a sample is needed to study any meteorite, nor does it mention how many people it brings to the science. There is one very good quote from Anne which states: “The scientists do not have time to go hunt for their own meteorites, so somebody has to do it for them,” said Anne M. Black, president of the collectors association. “It’s common sense.” To the uninformed reader, and inexperienced meteorite collector the NYT article looks very bad and creates an artificially biased view from those not familiar with meteorites. It's purely political. I think it should be an article for MHC Magazine. To make it FAIR for everyone involved, I want ALL points of view, from all sides. From the scientific world, and the private market, as well as the points from the center. Anyone who would like the opportunity to tell the WHOLE story, who cares to write a rebuttal for the NYT's blatantly biased article, send me
Re: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Nininger's Find a Falling Star
Thanks to everyone who replied. I found a copy. -Walter - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 4:18 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Wanted: Nininger's Find a Falling Star Does anyone have a softcover copy of Nininger's Find a Falling Star for sale? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Sedimentary Martian Meteorites
Hello Steve, Carl and List, Thanks very much for the comments. I am at a distinct disadvantage, not having a background in geology so please bear with me. I understand exothermic processes but... The oldest sedimentary rocks are found in various places such as Greenland, Hudson Bay in northern Quebec, Western Australia, etc. These rocks are billions of years old, yet they are still recognized as sedimentary rocks. Why? Should they not have disappeared long ago? Would you say these rocks were never exposed to heat, water or weathering? I would think that traveling through space, where obviously no terrestrial weathering occurs, potential Martian sedimentary rocks would not undergo weathering until they landed on Earth which would be on the order of millions of years ago. Much more recent than the oldest Earth sedimentary rocks. It may very well be that the reason we don't have any Martian sedimentary rocks in our collections (scientific and otherwise) is because they have all weathered away or at least to the point where we would not recognize them as being Martian, or even meteoritic, in origin. Yes, I have looked at Dr. Irving's site. http://www.imca.cc/mars/martian-meteorites.htm It's a great site and is on my favorites list but he doesn't speculate as to why we have no Martian sedimentary rocks, which is what I am most interested in. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets
Ahh, well...there you go... Thanks for the clarification guys. -Walter - Original Message - From: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net To: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 11:28 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Larry is right (who could doubt it?). I got it backward. Charon would have to move closer to Pluto to get their barycenter inside Pluto. Presently, their center-to-center distance is 19,600 km. If you pushed'em to only 10,650 km apart, the barycenter would be at Pluto's surface. The two planetary surfaces would then be only 8900 km apart! (They're 17,850 km apart now.) Then, they'd have to be even closer for the barycenter to be inside Pluto. That would be quite a view! Either way. Sterling K. Webb --- - Original Message - From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Sterling K. Webb sterling_k_w...@sbcglobal.net Cc: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; fallingfus...@wi.rr.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 9:29 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Double Planets Hi Sterling: I don't like to disagree with you (YES!), but I wonder if you have ever been on a seesaw. If you move Charon away from Pluto, the center of mass moves away from Pluto, not toward it, you have a longer lever arm. You actually get it right when you talk about the Moon later on! Moving the Moon 50% farther away puts the barycenter outside the Earth. Larry Hi, Walter, List, The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies... You're not wrong, Walter. What would have made Pluto-Charon a true double planet system under those original IAU definitions (the ones that were shot down in favor of dwarfism) was the fact that the barycenter of the Pluto-Charon system was well OUTSIDE both bodies. This means that they truly orbit each other, dancing around a point in space between them. If Charon was much smaller or much further away from Pluto, the barycenter would move closer to the center of mass of Pluto until it was inside the planet. The barycenter of the Earth-Moon system lies inside the Earth, about 1710 km down in the mantle, wandering up and down a bit with the eccentricity and tilted, of course. All the figures for Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon and the formulas for all that barycenter stuff are nicely accumulated in this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barycenter#Barycenter_in_astronomy Interestingly, the path of the barycenter of the Sun and all planetary bodies taken together passes through the body of the Sun much of the time, even through the fusion core of the Sun, and yet part of the time that barycenter is outside the Sun. (There's a diagram.) It's a 179-year cycle. I wonder what that does to the surface and if it affects the sunspot cycle? Big arguments about that: http://www.google.com/webhp#hl=ensugexp=ldymlsxhr=tq=barycenter+josefp=a0e1d04ac32ef934 Playing with the numbers... if the Moon were 40% heavier than it is, the barycenter would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth, outside the planet, and we would meet the definition of double planet. OR, if the Moon was the same weight but 335,000 miles away instead of 240,000, then too the barycenter of the system would be just ABOVE the surface of the Earth. Of course in a billion years or so, the Moon WILL be that far away, so relax... We'll get there. Be sure and scroll down to the animations of a number of double systems, including Earth-Moon and Pluto-Charon. It's like watching drunken mice waltz... Sterling K. Webb -- Dear Cap'n: I changed the subject line... I've reformed. -- - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] The Term Planetary Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quote me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term
[meteorite-list] Wanted: Nininger's Find a Falling Star
Does anyone have a softcover copy of Nininger's Find a Falling Star for sale? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentay Rocks: Where are they?
Hello Everyone, We all know that a long time ago, Mars had a lot of water. Rivers, streams lakes, ponds, oceans, etc. Every bit of evidence we have leads to this conclusion. Why are there no sedimenrary martian meteorites? They are all igneous. Did sedimentation occur in a period after large meteorites blasted rocks off the Martian surface (doubtful)? Are they extremly fragile and would not survive atmospheric entry (Doubtful)? Have they weathered away (don't know)? Any opinions? -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentay Rocks: Where are they?
Sorry. Meant to type sedimentary -Walter - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: meteorite-list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 12:09 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Martian Sedimentay Rocks: Where are they? Hello Everyone, We all know that a long time ago, Mars had a lot of water. Rivers, streams lakes, ponds, oceans, etc. Every bit of evidence we have leads to this conclusion. Why are there no sedimenrary martian meteorites? They are all igneous. Did sedimentation occur in a period after large meteorites blasted rocks off the Martian surface (doubtful)? Are they extremly fragile and would not survive atmospheric entry (Doubtful)? Have they weathered away (don't know)? Any opinions? -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] The Term Planetary
Hello Ryan, The Earth's moon is very large, relative to the planet it orbits. In the astronomical literature, the earth-moon system is sometimes refereed to as a dual planetary system. The dividing line between planet-moon and dual-planet seems to be whether the center of gravity (barycenter) of the bodies is either in space or beneath the surface of one of the bodies (don't quite me, though I may be wrong). I have seen Pluto-Charon sometimes referred to as a dual-planetary system (though now I guess it would be a dual dwarf planetary system. -Walter - Original Message - From: fallingfus...@wi.rr.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 2:44 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Term Planetary To the list, I was sitting here reading some emails, and just thought... Who in the world ever came up with the term Planetary in reference to meteorites. First of all, our Moon isn't a planet.. and secondly, to my knowledge, the only Planetary meteorites in current existence have an origin of Mars. Hence, Martian meteorites. Did I miss the big announcement of those from Venus and Mercury? Regards, Ryan Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts
Congratulations, Steve. Unless there is an appeal (hope not), maybe now you can finally put this behind you. -Walter - Original Message - From: meteorh...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 18, 2011 3:06 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Mani vs Arnold Verdicts To whom it may concern: With the Honorable Judge Martha Tanner presiding over the 166th District Court, in Bexar County, Texas; a jury of 12 of my peers after a long trail returned the follow verdicts today: Question 1, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 2, Did Steven Arnold commit fraud against Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 3, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Brenham Meteorite, Ltd.? Jury's Answer: No. Question 4, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with his fiduciary duty to Philip Mani? Jury's Answer: No. Question 5, Did Steven Arnold fail to comply with the partnership agreement? Jury's Answer: No. My wife Qynne and I would like to thank God for delivering this victory for us. We are thankful to have this chapter of our lives behind us and we look forward to the exciting things ahead. Steve Arnold of Meteorite Men Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Oman prison saga
Welcome back Mike and Robert. I was unaware of your ordeal until last week. I am glad that you two made it out unharmed. A little lighter perhaps but now safe and sound. I know it's not the most important thing but I have to ask. Did the authorities let you keep the meteorites you found or where they confiscated and not returned? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2011 11:36 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Oman prison saga 90% of the meteorite list is interested in the Oman meteorite saga that Robert Ward and Michael Farmer went through from our arrest in early January until our release ordered on March 7th 2011. This is my story, Robert can tell his, as it is a little different as we were separated, interrogated, and housed apart for more than half of the event. On December 31st we headed for Oman, my 20th meteorite hunting expedition there. I have studied the law there since the arrest of the Russian and American hunters back in 2005. There is no law against meteorite hunting in Oman, those who asked why we keep doing it, that is why. It is legal. After months of meeting with lawyers, looking at Oman law, I think we know what we are talking about. We had a very successful trip, I found 35 meteorites, 3 pieces of the Dhofar 1180 Lunar, more than 100 grams, and some other nice things. On the last day we headed out of the desert and towards Dubai. At 1 PM on 13 January we arrived at a police roadblock in Adam, nothing out of the norm, until they rushed my car with M16's and they had heavy belt-fed guns on their trucks. They forced us out of our cars and ripped them apart of course, finding the meteorites immediately. We were taken to the Adam police station and interrogated for 10 hours. The Wali (governor) of the area arrived and was very upset at our confinement, he kept apologizing to us and saying he did not understand why we were being arrested and kept calling Muscat to try and get us released, he was angry at tourists being detained in his district. He then informed that orders from much higher in the government came in that we were to be taken to Muscat and it was out of his hands. The roadblock was for us, they had intel that we were coming. I have intel on who did it.. We were driven to Muscat in shackles, arriving at midnight, taken to an interrogation center in Qurum. Stripped, put into separate rooms, and never saw each other again for the next 25 days except when the embassy came, our lawyers came, or we were taken to the hospital a couple of times. Qurum Criminal Investigation Division is little more than a torture chamber, we heard many times people being beaten, and dragged around. I was interrogated in a conference room after more than 72 hours without sleep. We were kept in small rooms, 9 x 9 x 12 ft, with small pad on the floor and two blankets, horribly filthy, crawling with roaches, and things on the floors and walls which I decline to try to describe. There were 4 rooms, Robert and I in two, and other people in the others, we could hear them crying or screaming sometimes. I tried to speak to Robert a couple of times just to see if he was there, and he would yell he was, then the police would come and threaten me not to speak again, this went on for 25 days and nights, 24 hours a day in that room, cold, a small light on 24/7 you never knew the time of day except when food would come. It was a nightmare that never seemed to end. I was close to losing it, never did, but my military training kicked in and helped with that. It was more than 48 hours since our arrest that I was interrogated, forced to sign a statement of guilt, then driven to a prosecutor's office at midnight on the 15th of Jan. No phone calls in that time, no chance to see lawyer or embassy despite endless pleas. I was charged with various crimes again with no chance to see lawyer beforehand. I begged the prosecutor for a call and he refused, then thankfully after he sent me out into a waiting room, another person handed me a cell phone quietly so I called my wife and in 20 seconds told her I was in jail in Muscat, and to call for help to the embassy,. It took a week for the embassy to find us. Oman violated many laws, they are required to provide lawyer before charges are filed, and contact embassy within 24 hours, neither done. After that, the endless days passed in hell, the toilet a hole in the ground and I will leave the rest to your imagination. We went to trial on 6 Feb, a 15 minute joke in Arabic with one question asked by the judge, who then sentenced us to 6 months in prison and a $250 fine for illegal mining operations. We were sent the next day to the Sumail central prison. Once we arrived at the prison, Robert and I were placed together in a room, for the first time we could talk at will, see the sky and see
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome Home
Thanks to everyone who answered my questions yesterday. Usually my posits get summarily ignored. I now regret asking. I wish this one had been ignored. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] What?!!!
Hello Michael and List, Your apology was forthright and sincere. Kudos to you. I have also put my foot in my mouth many times over the years on this list and I should know better. From recent memory, I owe apologies to Bill Mason, Sonny Clary Geoff Notkin, and the entire Jet propulsion laboratory. I am sure there are others. Depersonalization is what is it called and what we have to guard against. It is so easy to type on a keyboard then hit send. Too easy. Easier than regular mail. We write things we would never say in public, not realizing that we literally are writing to a world-wide public audience. To no one in particular and at the risk of sounding paternalisitc (not meanding to) I often tell my patients, just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you SHOULD. With the privilge comes responsilbity. Don't exercise responsibility and you lose the privlige. Anyway, off soapbox now. Kudos again to you. Hope to read more of your posts soon. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?)
Interesting discussion regarding cutting. I did not realize the equipment can be so expensive. -Walter - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: m...@mhmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2011 10:05 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?) Hi Matt, That is one impressive piece of machinery. At $65k, I think I'll wait until Christmas-time to ask for one. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: I have a photo of a multi-wire saw we sometimes use on Kerfindustries.com (a business of mine). The one we own is a single wire saw that costs about 65k new. Coolant can be either distilled water, distilled water with a surfactant (for wire longevity), alcohol (yes!!), mineral oil, or compressed air (difficult). The coolant is fed by a standard pond circulation pump into the saw and is recycled. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:50:04 To: m...@mhmeteorites.com Cc: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com; Greg Hupegmh...@centurylink.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; André Moutinhomouti...@bol.com.br Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire overblade?) Hi Matt, Thanks for the explanation. Do you have a photo of the wire-saw setup, or is there a photo of one somewhere on the web? I'm curious to see what it looks like. Being able to cut a large 6x6x18 specimen using a wire as thin as .009 is a definite advantage over using a conventional lap saw that is big enough to handle a specimen that large. I am assuming the wire-saw also uses a coolant? Does it have a big tank for the coolant or can you hook it up directly to a water source like a tap? Sorry for all the questions. It's late, I'm bored, and I'm curious. :) Best regards, MikeG -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 --- On 3/10/11, m...@mhmeteorites.com m...@mhmeteorites.com wrote: We can cut a 6 x 6 x 18 piece with a 250 um wire. A skinny lap blade that is 6, you can cut 3, maybe, if you don't use a rotisserie. 250 um is 0.009. On avg we lose 9 percent, but that depends on the depth of cut, thickness of cut, wire diameter, material, etc. It definitely has advantages over a lap saw. I have cut hundreds of meteorites over my 15+ years and really like the wire saw for rare materials. Plus it is pretty easy to mount an odd-shaped rock on the wire saw as compared to a vise on the lap saw, wich can be VERY problematic. Matt Matt Morgan Mile High Meteorites http://www.mhmeteorites.com P.O. Box 151293 Lakewood, CO 80215 -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com Sender: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:28:02 To: Greg Hupegmh...@centurylink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; André Moutinhomouti...@bol.com.br Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] wire saw cost (Benefits of the wire over blade?) Hi List, Can someone tell me what the advantage of a diamond wire saw is, over a conventional lap saw blade? I'm curious, because I have never used a wire saw or seen one in operation. I have seen slices made by a wire saw and they didn't look any different (better or worse) than slices made with a blade. One minor difference I did notice was the markings left on the unpolished slices. Blades make distinctive arc-shaped saw marks on the specimen, which must be polished out. The rough wire-cut slices that I handled also had saw marks on them, but the marks were different in depth and orientation. After polishing, I could see no difference. So, is the advantage that the wire saw generates less loss? (if so, compared to what?) Like I said in my previous post, cutting loss is in direction relation to the size of the saw being used and the thickness of the
Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 9, 2011
Agreed! Thanks very much Michael. -Walter - Original Message - From: MEM mstrema...@yahoo.com To: Michael Johnson mich...@rocksfromspace.org; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2011 2:16 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Rocks from Space Picture of Day - March 9, 2011 Your efforts to bring us these daily treasures must intrude on your regular life but let me also say the effort itself is a true treasure and wonderment for us all. My profound thanks for dedicating yourself to this labor of love. I admire the quality of and the dedication to your work. Elton __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome home
What's this about? -Walter - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 9:44 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Welcome home Hi Richard, Wow! That's great news, and more than a month earlier than originally expected (if I'm remember the April date correctly). Hopefully they are both in good health. Welcome home guys! Rob -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Richard Kowalski Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2011 6:32 PM To: meteorite list Subject: [meteorite-list] Welcome home Glad to see Mike Robert are back home! -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALH 84001
Hello New Collectors ( and everyone else too!), I have been collecting meteorites since soon after NASA made the announcement in August, 1996 of ALH 84001. Some on the list have been collecting more than I, some less. I would like to share with those new to the collecting field how I go about valuing a given meteorite. It is not a perfect procedure, but it has served me well. I come from a background in statistics. I am particularly fond of multivariate analysis and used to be pretty good at it. ANOVA, MANOVA, etc. Whisper orthogonal vs. oblique rotation in my ear and I get shivers. Br. However, you get away from academia/scholarly pursuits for 20 years and you get a little rusty :-) Anyway... In deciding whether or not to purchase a meteorite, I first decide what the meteorite is worth TO ME. A valuation. When I value a meteorite, I borrow heavily from the statistical procedures discriminant function analysis and multiple regression analysis. In non-stat terms, you take a set of variables (we will call them independent variables) and use them to either predict or classify another variable (dependent variable). The dependent variable is my final price-purchase/no purchase decision. Asking price is a variable - one variable. Other variables include size, characteristics, (slice vs. endcut, vs. whole specimen, etc.), historical/cultural/scientific significance, perceived rarity (though this variable is taking on less-and-less importance to me), what a piece has sold for in the past, etc. There are also some intangible variables such as perceived honesty and importance of the seller and whether or not I know and like the seller. Provenance also (but not much). Now, I do not perform a formal statistical analysis on a piece. I do this informally. I weight each variable then decide what a piece is worth to me. I arbitrarily set the valuation of ordinary chondrites and irons at $1.00/gram, then mentally add and subtract according to the weight of each variable. Lunar and martian meteorites (what I am most interested in) are assigned an arbitrary value of $600.00/gram before I start adding and subtracting. The whole procedure takes seconds. Informally, in my head. It sounds a bit cumbersome and tedious but it really isn't. You new guys and gals have to decide what works for you. Don't get emotionally caught up in a bidding war (on ebay) and don't be afraid to ask the dealer or seller if they will accept a lower than asking price. You should approach the seller with an idea of what the meteorite is worth TO YOU before you make a bid or an offer to purchase. Anyway, just thought I share. Happy collecting, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] ALH 84001
oops, forgot to change the subject line. mea culpa -Walter - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, March 07, 2011 11:46 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] ALH 84001 Hello New Collectors ( and everyone else too!), I have been collecting meteorites since soon after NASA made the announcement in August, 1996 of ALH 84001. Some on the list have been collecting more than I, some less. I would like to share with those new to the collecting field how I go about valuing a given meteorite. It is not a perfect procedure, but it has served me well. I come from a background in statistics. I am particularly fond of multivariate analysis and used to be pretty good at it. ANOVA, MANOVA, etc. Whisper orthogonal vs. oblique rotation in my ear and I get shivers. Br. However, you get away from academia/scholarly pursuits for 20 years and you get a little rusty :-) Anyway... In deciding whether or not to purchase a meteorite, I first decide what the meteorite is worth TO ME. A valuation. When I value a meteorite, I borrow heavily from the statistical procedures discriminant function analysis and multiple regression analysis. In non-stat terms, you take a set of variables (we will call them independent variables) and use them to either predict or classify another variable (dependent variable). The dependent variable is my final price-purchase/no purchase decision. Asking price is a variable - one variable. Other variables include size, characteristics, (slice vs. endcut, vs. whole specimen, etc.), historical/cultural/scientific significance, perceived rarity (though this variable is taking on less-and-less importance to me), what a piece has sold for in the past, etc. There are also some intangible variables such as perceived honesty and importance of the seller and whether or not I know and like the seller. Provenance also (but not much). Now, I do not perform a formal statistical analysis on a piece. I do this informally. I weight each variable then decide what a piece is worth to me. I arbitrarily set the valuation of ordinary chondrites and irons at $1.00/gram, then mentally add and subtract according to the weight of each variable. Lunar and martian meteorites (what I am most interested in) are assigned an arbitrary value of $600.00/gram before I start adding and subtracting. The whole procedure takes seconds. Informally, in my head. It sounds a bit cumbersome and tedious but it really isn't. You new guys and gals have to decide what works for you. Don't get emotionally caught up in a bidding war (on ebay) and don't be afraid to ask the dealer or seller if they will accept a lower than asking price. You should approach the seller with an idea of what the meteorite is worth TO YOU before you make a bid or an offer to purchase. Anyway, just thought I share. Happy collecting, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Geoff's book
Hello Everyone, I just received Geoff's book. I like it. The book is written for novices but it has a place on any meteorite collector's shelf. I particularly like the glossy pages with wonderful pictures. The pictures of Geoff and Geoff and Steve hunting meteorites and the meteorites are fantastic. Excellent photography and book amounts to a how-to for hunting meteorites. If you haven't purchased one, do so. You won't regret it. Thanks Geoff. Very nice book. Get it here: http://www.aerolite.org/ -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Paul Harris p...@meteorite.com To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 25, 2011 1:22 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] February Issue of Meteorite Times Now Up -corrected Link The correct link the Tucson Show photos and videos is: http://www.meteorite-times.com/articles/2011-tucson-show-photos-vidoes/ Sorry... Paul Hello Everyone, The February issue of Meteorite Times is now up. The following URL gives access to the Web Browser View, Flash Magazine View, and Mobile PDF. http://www.meteorite-times.com/monthly-issues/ We also have links to some Tucson Show photo pages by Gary Fujihara, Jason Snyder, Russ Finney and videos by Jim Wooddell of the Birthday Bash and Twink's Gold Basin Cake. http://www.meteorite-times.com/Back_Links/2011/february/tucson-video.jpg Enjoy! Paul and Jim __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] EETA 79001 and the Martian Atmosphere
Hello Everyone, I feel like an idiot. I know that trapped atmospheric gases have been found in some martian meteorites but for some unexplained reason, I had always thought that the gases had been incorporated in the rock at the time of formation. I always wondered how gases from the martian atmosphere could have been trapped in a rock at the time it formed, particularly an igneous rock in an underground magma chamber. Well, thanks to William Cassidy, the man who founded ANSMET, I now realize my assumption was wrong. Cassidy makes it clear that gasses became trapped in martian rocks at the time of the impact which launched the rock from the surface. The rather lengthy quote below is from Cassidy's book Meteorites, Ice and Antarctica an excellent book (see more after the quote). From pages 119-121 EETA 79001 was an important find for another reason. It contained proof that SNC meteorites come from Mars. This meteorite had been highly shocked during the impact that ejected it from the martian surface, and one of the shock effects was to produce pods of glass that had been melted from the constituent minerals of the meteorite by the transient heating generated by shock pressures. The melts that were formed were partly injected along cracks in the rock and partly retained as molten beads at the sites where they formed. Cooling occurred immediately behind the shock wave and the beads were chilled to glass before they could crystalize. Apparently the crater forming asteroid had built up a lense off compressed atmosphere in front of it during it's lengthy trajectory toward the surface of the planet. When it struck the surface it injected highly compressed air into the target rock, and some of this was trapped in the shock-melted inclusions. We know the composition of the martian atmosphere from measurements made by Viking Landers I and II. When some of the glass inclusions were picked out of EETA 79001 and remelted, the gave up their dissolved gases. These gasses when analyzed and corrected for slight terrestrial contamination, contained nitrogen and carbon dioxide in the same abundances as the atmosphere of Mars; they also had isotopes of argon, neon, , krypton, and xenon in the same abundances as does the martian atmosphere. This neat bit of detective work by a number of workers, for the first time tied a SNC meteorite directly to the planet Mars and, through this meteorite, to all the other meteorites. I love Cassidy's book. If you like meteorites in general, martian and lunar meteorites (like me) and are curious about the ANSMET program and you don't have a copy of this book, you are really missing out. The book is a gold mine of information regarding ANSMET. It is very readable, technical in some places, humorous in others and poignant in others. Some books I love holding and reading and this is one of those books. It is hardbound with glossy pages and nicely illustrated. I like the physical proportion of the book and I even like the dust jacket (I usually abhor dust jackets). Anyway, many thanks to Dr. Cassidy for clearing that up with me and thanks for writing such a wonderful book. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Excellent work Ruben, Thank You
Yes, it was a lot of fun watching the bidding. Now I can attach a live voice and face to Michael's picture. Thanks very much. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Ed Deckert edeck...@triad.rr.com To: Met List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Ruben Garcia meteoritem...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Excellent work Ruben, Thank You Indeed! A FANTASTIC job! Thank you! Ed - Original Message - From: Pat Brown scientificlifest...@hotmail.com To: Met List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Ruben Garcia meteoritem...@yahoo.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 12:28 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] Excellent work Ruben, Thank You Hello to Ruben and the List, Thank you for the auction live webcast. It was very entertaining. Pat __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2011
out Geoff Notkin's new meteorite hunting book. What book? Did I miss something? -Walter - Original Message - From: wahlpe...@aol.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 8:00 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Tucson 2011 Hi List, We just wanted to say what a great time we had in Tucson. It is always exciting to see all of our friends in the meteorite community as well as meeting new meteorite enthusiasts. We saw some great meteorites including a huge Semychan meteorite in Marvin Kilgore's display. The Birthday Bash was a lot of fun for everyone, even the fuzzy white cat. A special thanks to John Blennert for giving us a wonderful insight on hunting the Gold Basin strewnfield. If it wasn't for John I probably still wouldn't know what a meteorite looks like! Thanks to Michael Blood for a great auction. Everyone enjoys the auction and the camaraderie. Twink's Gold Basin cake was delicious. Some lucky winners were able to find a meteorite in their pieces of cake! Ruben and the Woodell's did a terrific job with the live broadcast. Arizona Keith and Gary Fujihara were excellent at capturing the pictures and getting them online for everyone. The weather started out very cold but today it is 70 degrees at 5PM. If any of you get a chance you should check out Geoff Notkin's new meteorite hunting book. Another must have for your collection. On a side note Brix took his snake avoidance training refresher course. We used live rattlesnakes that had been muzzled (that's something to see a muzzled rattlesnake). Within moments Brix picked up the scent of the snake and made a hasty retreat to the car. We are glad to see he has retained his training and remembers the smell of a rattler. Sonny, Georgia and Brix __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday, Meteorite Men!
Congratulations, Geoff, and welcome to the minor planet club! Yes, indeed. Congratulations. Thats pretty cool. A very exclusive club -Walter - Original Message - From: Rob Matson mojave_meteori...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2011 4:38 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Happy Birthday, Meteorite Men! Hi All, First off, happy birthday greetings to Geoff and Steve -- I hope you both had a fabulous time at your Birthday Bash last night at the Sky Bar, and that your bar tabs were covered by everyone else. ;-) I really wish I could have made it to Tucson again this year, but it's been crunch-time at work getting our ground software operational for our satellite launch in less than six months. I owe you both a belated birthday cocktail the next time our paths cross (hopefully in some farflung strewn field!) I got an e-mail from Bob Verish this morning, informing me that I won a Harvey Award last night!! I am honored and humbled and (as I wrote Geoff privately a little while ago) simultaneously a bit horrified that I couldn't be there in person last night to accept it. It would have been a special treat to share the stage with NEO-hunter-extraordinaire, Richard Kowalski, who I understand also won a Harvey. As long as I'm on the subject of asteroids, I'd like to share with the List a little early birthday gift that I presented Geoff late last year, but decided to wait until his birthday to announce publically: MPC 72991 citation: (132904) Notkin = 2002 RB237 Geoffrey Notkin (b. 1961) is co-host of the popular Science Channel series Meteorite Men and author of over 100 articles on meteoritics, paleontology and the arts. A discoverer of meteorites on four continents, he has also made documentaries for Discovery, National Geographic, PBS, the BBC and the History Channel. - - - - - Minor planet dynamical group: Hilda Semi-major axis: 3.9982764 a.u. Inclination: 3.55428 degrees Eccentricity: 0.1440889 Perihelion distance: 3.422169 a.u. Aphelion distance: 4.574384 a.u. Absolute magnitude: 14.4 Astrometry from 89 observations at 6 oppositions spanning 1995-2010 Last observed: 10/9/2010 by station G96 Discovery date : 2002 09 12 Discovery site : Palomar Discoverer : Matson, R. The Hildas are interesting in that they are in a 2:3 orbital resonance with Jupiter: they complete three orbits for every two Jovian orbits. The first Hilda asteroid was discovered in 1875. Currently there are only ~1100 Hildas known, which is less than 1/4 of a percent of all known asteroids. They are very dark objects, with a mean albedo of only 0.044 -- similar to cometary nuclei. Based on this albedo and an absolute magnitude of 14.4, (132904) has an approximate size of 8.4 km. That's a cross-sectional area very close to the size of Manhattan, with which Geoff should be quite familiar. :-) Assuming a bulk density of 1.5 g/cm^3, that corresponds to a mass of around 4.6 x 10^11 metric tons -- around a half trillion metric tons! Congratulations, Geoff, and welcome to the minor planet club! Best wishes, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay?
Hello Rob, et al. My opinion, this is not real. All lunar samples returned by the Apollo missions are property of the US government. None were given to engineers. The federal government did give some samples to certain other countries as a gift to the people of the country. The story about the planetary geologist sounds too stupid to be believable. NASA did hold an auction a few years ago to get rid of some old hardware but NEVER moon rocks. The story about the tape and film canister is true. I believe the technician's is Terry Slezak. This is widely known among space artifact/memorabilia collectors.. -Walter - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: Meteorite-list List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2011 6:17 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Apollo Moon rock sample on eBay? Probably impossible to tell from the pictures, but what are the odds that this is truly Apollo material? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=150557455015 --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteoritists: Do Angrites Originate from Mercury?
Hello Everyone, As the subject line indicates, I would like to know what the scientists on the list think about the idea that the Angrites parent planet is the planet Mercury. I would really like to know their opinion. Yes. No. Maybe? And why or why not? Characteristics of magnetism, oxygen isotopic ratios, density, chemical composition? What have you. What are the data to support your conclusion? I would very much like to hear from scientists who have actually handled this material. Not non-scientists (such as myself), scientist wannabes, scientists spokespeople, name droppers, etc. Just scientists. Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Meteorites 101
Hello Everyone, The term meteor refers to the light phenomenon as an object from space enters the Earth's atmosphere. What is the proper term for the object itself? A meteoroid is an object in space. Is it still called a meteoroid when it enters the Earth's atmosphere? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101
Hey Darryl, Working! On Saturday evening? In the words of Ebenezer Scrooge, Bah, humbug. My wife and daughter are out buying some new shoes and when asked if I wanted to come along, I politely replied, no. I pretended to begin ironing clothes but the moment they left I took out my telescopes for a night of observing - a much more pleasurable activity ;-). -Walter - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Fun question! In the office working on this Saturday evening and thankful for this distraction ;-) I'm going to go with what you've surmised: meteoroid until striking Earth's surface. all best / d On Jan 15, 2011, at 6:13 PM, Walter Branch wrote: Hello Everyone, The term meteor refers to the light phenomenon as an object from space enters the Earth's atmosphere. What is the proper term for the object itself? A meteoroid is an object in space. Is it still called a meteoroid when it enters the Earth's atmosphere? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101
Hello Count, Yes, many writers refer to the light phenomenon and the object itself as meteor but some make a distinction between the two. That definition does both, seemingly in the same breath! Also, does light originate from the glowing rock itself or the plasma (ionized gas) surrounding it? I thought from the plasma. -Walter - Original Message - From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Hi Walter and all, This may be the acceptable nomenclature METEOR (mt-r) 1. A bright trail or streak of light that appears in the night sky when a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere. The friction with the air causes the rock to glow with heat. Also called shooting star. 2. A rocky body that produces such light. Most meteors burn up before reaching the Earth's surface. See Note at solar system. Usage The streaks of light we sometimes see in the night sky and call meteors were not identified as interplanetary rocks until the 19th century. Before then, the streaks of light were considered only one of a variety of atmospheric phenomena, all of which bore the name meteor. Rain was an aqueous meteor, winds and storms were airy meteors, and streaks of light in the sky were fiery meteors. This general use of meteor survives in our word meteorology, the study of the weather and atmospheric phenomena. Nowadays, astronomers use any of three words for rocks from interplanetary space, depending on their stage of descent to the Earth. A meteoroid is a rock in space that has the potential to collide with the Earth's atmosphere. Meteoroids range in size from a speck of dust to a chunk about 100 meters in diameter, though most are smaller than a pebble. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, it becomes a meteor. The light that it gives off when heated by friction with the atmosphere is also called a meteor. If the rock is not obliterated by the friction and lands on the ground, it is called a meteorite. For this term, scientists borrowed the -ite suffix used in the names of minerals like malachite and pyrite. The American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Sent: Jan 15, 2011 3:13 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Hello Everyone, The term meteor refers to the light phenomenon as an object from space enters the Earth's atmosphere. What is the proper term for the object itself? A meteoroid is an object in space. Is it still called a meteoroid when it enters the Earth's atmosphere? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101
Hey Rod, Where does the term Bolide figure in as compared to a fireball? Yea, that one has always puzzled me as well. -Walter - Original Message - From: R. Chastain suen...@yahoo.com To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Thanks for the definition. Let's see if I have this straight Meteoroid = in space Meteor = The act of the previous meteoroid entering the atmosphere and producing light. Meteorite = Meteoroid, now meteor, that landed and becomes a meteorite. Let me muddy the waters a bit more:-) Where does the term Bolide figure in as compared to a fireball? I haven't found a good description of the difference. Rod --- On Sat, 1/15/11, Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net wrote: From: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net, Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Saturday, January 15, 2011, 6:30 PM Hi Walter and all, This may be the acceptable nomenclature METEOR (mt-r) 1. A bright trail or streak of light that appears in the night sky when a meteoroid enters the Earth's atmosphere. The friction with the air causes the rock to glow with heat. Also called shooting star. 2. A rocky body that produces such light. Most meteors burn up before reaching the Earth's surface. See Note at solar system. Usage The streaks of light we sometimes see in the night sky and call meteors were not identified as interplanetary rocks until the 19th century. Before then, the streaks of light were considered only one of a variety of atmospheric phenomena, all of which bore the name meteor. Rain was an aqueous meteor, winds and storms were airy meteors, and streaks of light in the sky were fiery meteors. This general use of meteor survives in our word meteorology, the study of the weather and atmospheric phenomena. Nowadays, astronomers use any of three words for rocks from interplanetary space, depending on their stage of descent to the Earth. A meteoroid is a rock in space that has the potential to collide with the Earth's atmosphere. Meteoroids range in size from a speck of dust to a chunk about 100 meters in diameter, though most are smaller than a pebble. When a meteoroid enters the atmosphere, it becomes a meteor. The light that it gives off when heated by friction with the atmosphere is also called a meteor. If the rock is not obliterated by the friction and lands on the ground, it is called a meteorite. For this term, scientists borrowed the -ite suffix used in the names of minerals like malachite and pyrite. The American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved. Best to all, Count Deiro IMCA 3536 MetSoc -Original Message- From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Sent: Jan 15, 2011 3:13 PM To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Hello Everyone, The term meteor refers to the light phenomenon as an object from space enters the Earth's atmosphere. What is the proper term for the object itself? A meteoroid is an object in space. Is it still called a meteoroid when it enters the Earth's atmosphere? -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101
Hello Ron, Yes, that's it. A distinction between the light and the object itself. So, back to my original question. The object itself is still referred to as a meteoroid while it is traveling in the Earth's atmosphere. Your anecdote regarding Dr. Leonard reminded me of the Dorothy Norton cartoon which appeared in Meteorite a while back, the one about the boy catching the meteorite -Walter - Original Message - From: R N Hartman rhartma...@earthlink.net To: Count Deiro countde...@earthlink.net; Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Cc: Meteorite1 meteori...@earthlink.net Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2011 7:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites 101 Meteor, meteorite, and meteoioid: In response to the American Heritage® Science Dictionary Copyright © 2005 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company, which is reported here to have stated that the object itself may be termed a meteor while in flight through the atmosphere, note that dictionaries are not the authoritative source for what an object is or is not. Dictionaries reflect only common (popular) usage, and if it is not a technical dictionary, more so. I remember being told as a student taking a graduate level course in the History and Development of the English language that dictionaries may be as much as 50 years behind the times in reflecting current usage. Within the informed scientific community, among those who are meteoriticists, a meteor refers to the light phenomena of the meteoroid while traversing through our atmosphere, and the object itself remains a meteoroid until it strikes the Earth or whatever other astronomical body it intercepts. Then it is referred to a meteorite. Note also the term micro-meteorites. Sometimes these terms are used incorrectly (and sloppily) in a popular, or non-technical sense, usually by the layman (or the news media). I don't think anyone has or will ever be burned at the stake for referring to a meteoroid as a meteor, unless they are of course one of my former students (joke)! But this is the way I have always seen these terms used when used correctly. This is the way I learned it as a student who received a degree in Astronomy from U.C.L.A. and who studied under one of the world's most respected meteoriticists, Dr. Frederick C.Leonard, who by the way was one of the founders of the Meteoritical Society. (Dr. Leonard was the first Editor of Meteoritics: the Journal of the Meteoritical Society. And, he was a perfectionist with the English Language.) I recall a number of discussions in class over these definitions, such as what would we call it if we were carrying a basket, and the meteoroid were to land in the basket, rather than hitting the Earth. Dr. Leonard, would it still be a meteoroid? (He would respond by clearing his throat with a faint growl, and ignore our question. But we knew he was fond of us!) Ron Hartman __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Merry Christmas !
Merry Christmas Everyone! And thanks to Eric Twelker, Christmas came a little early for me this year! I hope all meteorite enthusiasts have a great 2011. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] eclipse is underway....
Perfectly clear here in Florida... and chilly! Best regards, Greg Same here in Savannah, GA. Nearing totality now. What an eerie sight, to see stars one does not ordinarily see during a full moon. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Bob Walker Memorial Web Page
Hello Michael, That is a very nice tribute you did for Bob. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee... -John Donne __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites in Art - Art with meteorites?
I'm with you Mike. $699 for a map with a burned hole in it?? Oh well, to each his own. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cub Scouts and a Star Party
Hello Carl, Thanks, but since the orbit of Uranus lies outside that of Jupiter, it would be impossible for Uranus to transit across the face of Jupiter. Uranus and Jupiter are easily in the same field of view in a small finder scope. With increased magnification, Uranus appears very un-starlike. It is disk shaped, rather than a pinpoint. I think you are confusing terms such as eclipse, occultation, transits, and conjunctions. What you are referring to is the conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus. See the table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(astronomy_and_astrology)#2010 I have been observing Jovian transits for 40 years. This was a transit. In fact, my charting software, Skytools 2, indicates it was Jupiter's moon Io. For more info on transits, see here: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/javascript/3307071.html -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Cub Scouts and a Star Party
Hello Carl, Thanks, but since the orbit of Uranus lies outside that of Jupiter, it would be impossible for Uranus to transit across the face of Jupiter. Uranus and Jupiter are easily in the same field of view in a small finder scope. With increased magnification, Uranus appears very un-starlike. It is disk shaped, rather than a pinpoint. I think you are confusing terms such as eclipse, occultation, transits, and conjunctions. What you are referring to is the conjunction of Jupiter and Uranus. See the table here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conjunction_(astronomy_and_astrology)#2010 I have been observing Jovian transits for 40 years. This was a transit. In fact, my charting software, Skytools 2, indicates it was Jupiter's moon Io. For more info on transits, see here: http://www.skyandtelescope.com/observing/objects/javascript/3307071.html -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cub Scouts and a Star Party
Hello Everyone, Greatly off topic, but nevertheless... I had the most fun Friday night. One of my neighbors is a cub scoutmaster and he regularly invites me and my 10 telescope to their campouts. I enjoy hosting star parties for scouts. I, my daughter and a friend of hers arrived last night at the camp site and began setting up my scope. It was already dark. As I am setting up my scope, I notice something odd. It's too quite. If you have ever been to a boy scout or cub scout camp, you know it is anything but quiet. I gradually become aware of a noise in the distance. It's getting louder. I turn and peer through some trees at what seems like hundreds of flickering fireflies. They are bobbing up and down. The noise is getting louder. Then I realize, they are not fireflies. This a dense mass of about 300 cub scouts, running and screaming with their little glow sticks clutched in their little hands. And they're running right toward me. I quickly stand in front of my scope, in a defensive position, ready to take down the first kid who breaches the already established no touch zone - an invisible perimeter around my precious scope, through which no one is allowed but me. Alas, all was well. Aside from the usual fingerprints, and messing with the focuser, no actual harm with done. Jupiter was fantastic. The scouts and their families got to see a nice treat. One of the moon's shadows was transiting across face of Jupiter. Cool. I got asked some really good questions and some of the kids made some astute observations. One kid however, insisted for what seemed like an eternity that Polaris was actually in the east because you know the north star doesn't really point to north. I began explaining that it was only a degree or so off but soon gave up the argument (he was determined that Polaris was in the east) and boldly shouted, next! One lady kept asking me about the constellation for June, of which I knew nothing. I realized she was asking me an astrology question (of which I know nothing). I was a fun night. After everyone got an eye (or two) full of Jupiter, I turned the scope to Albireo, a beautiful double star system in Cygnus consisting of a yellow and a sapphire blue star ( the yellow is also a binary) but the cubbies had retired to their tents. Even cub scouts have to sleep. After dropping off my daughter's friend, we arrived home around 1:00 a.m. I kissed my daughter good night and set up the scope in my driveway to make sure nothing was amiss. I look up toward Pegasus and saw two meteors burn out, their existence ending in a flash high up in the Earth's atmosphere. Ahhh, peace and quiet. Until the next time. Thank you. -Walter __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Composition of Tektites
Hello Everyone, I thought I had a paper somewhere in my files but I can't locate it. There is an old theory, largely discredited I believe, which states that tektites originate from lunar volcanoes. The glassy beads found in the lunar regolith and brought back by the Apollo astronauts are of volcanic origin. Can some inform me as to the results of a comparative analysis between tektites and the those glassy beads? I know I have reprints somewhere but I can't find them. Thanks. -Walter Branch _ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Walter Branch
Hello Chris, I am alive and well. Aside from my abdomen looking much like a combination of the Tharsis and Valles Marineris regions on the planet Mars, I am doing okay. Thanks for asking. BTW, years ago I started making of list of meteorites which have hit Earth objects. Your list in Mercury was my inspiration. Don't know if I every thanked you but if not, thanks! -Walter - Original Message - From: Chris Spratt cspr...@islandnet.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 12:15 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Walter Branch I know Walter was I'm bad accident couple of years ago. Is he well or ? Chris Spratt Victoria, BC (Via my iPhone) __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as Ammunition
It was a two part episode called The Inheritors An excellent story. One of the best (I have all the episodes)! The final scene is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhV9WeFsyQY -Walter - Original Message - From: Becky and Kirk ba...@chorus.net To: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com; mike meteoritem...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 6:47 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as Ammunition I am a huge fan of the Outer Limits, but I don't remember that one. Do you recall what actors were in that episode?? Thanks! Kirk... - Original Message - From: Thunder Stone stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: mike meteoritem...@gmail.com; countde...@earthlink.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2010 4:34 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as Ammunition Not sure about reality, but there's and awesome Outer Limits where a meteorite lands in either Japan or China and they make ammunition (bullets) out of the iron and... you guessed it... four solders get shot, and get taken over by aliens that were within (inside) the meteorite (unsure if this is how they traveled or what) and these four individuals did amazing feats (through mind control) and built a spaceship to take some humans to their alien world. It's a really good episode if you like that kind of show - it was first aired on the original Outer Limits and also redone on the 1990's Outer Limits. Pretty cool... one of my favorites Greg S. Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:00:21 -0400 From: meteoritem...@gmail.com To: countde...@earthlink.net CC: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorites as Ammunition Hi Count and List, I wonder, has anyone ever fashioned bullets out of iron meteorites? Best regards, MikeG On 7/27/10, countde...@earthlink.net wrote: Attention List! Aliens have developed a reliable source of weapons grade meteorites and a reliable targeting system. However, it can be defeated if one remains indoors. http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/835482-man-hit-by-six-meteorites-is-being-targeted-by-aliens Count Deiro IMCA 3536 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ Hotmail has tools for the New Busy. Search, chat and e-mail from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_1 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites
Thanks Paul, Man those are some technical files. Beyond the understanding of mere mortals such as myself. I would recommend a book by James Kaler, Stars, in which nucleosynthsis is touched upon, along with stellar evolution in general. A readable book for the non-technical person (me). Kaler has written a number of good books on well, stars. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Paul H. oxytropidoce...@cox.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2010 6:38 AM Subject: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites Walter wrote: “Hi Rob, .nucleosynthesis... Ah, one of my favorite words. I try to use it at least once a week :-) -Walter (give-me-some-hydrogen-atoms-and-I-can-create-any-heavier- element-up-to-iron) Branch” In that case, some interesting PDF files about nucleosynthesis are: Origin of the Elements 1. Nuclear Science—A Guide to the Nuclear Science Wall Chart, Contemporary Physics Education Project (CPEP) http://www.lbl.gov/abc/wallchart/teachersguide/pdf/Chap10.pdf 2. Origin of the Elements, Physics and Chemistry of the Earth and Terrestrial Planets, MIT OpenCourseWare, 2008 http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Earth--Atmospheric--and-Planetary-Sciences/12-002Fall-2008/7B3B76D2-4AE3-40B8-BE1E-E4C0EFD88EA3/0/MIT12_002f08_lec3_4.pdf or http://tiny.cc/ironfree1 3. I. The Origin of the Elements, Galaxies, Solar System, and Earth Past and Present Climate, MIT OpenCourseWare, 2008 http://ocw.mit.edu/NR/rdonlyres/Earth--Atmospheric--and-Planetary-Sciences/12-842Fall-2008/F4A17D2E-C8DA-4AE5-8EE0-1186B5063DF1/0/part1_lec1.pdf or http://tiny.cc/ironfree2 Yours, Paul H. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites
Hi Rob, ...nucleosynthesis... Ah, one of my favorite words. I try to use it at least once a week :-) -Walter (give-me-some-hydrogen-atoms-and-I-can-create-any-heavier-element-up-to-iron) Branch - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 5:31 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] No nickel-free iron meteorites Hi Carl, Alan wrote: Please note that volumetrically, the amount of low-Ni metallic Fe is trivial, far less than 0.1% of a typical chondrite. You replied: .1% is a relative term. Earth may be only a fraction of the size of Artares [Antares] but, it is still a pretty big rock. I don't think you're quite absorbing what Dr. Rubin is saying. There is no natural solar system mechanism that can separate iron from nickel in macroscopic quantities. So if you find a lump of iron on earth that doesn't have nickel in it, it originated here. It is not a question of there being room for reasonable doubt. It simply cannot happen. The physics of nucleosynthesis, cosmochemistry, and entropy do not allow it. Best, Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Probable amateur comet discovery
Rob- That is interesting. Do you have RA and Dec coordinates? -Walter - Original Message - From: Matson, Robert D. robert.d.mat...@saic.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 7:02 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Probable amateur comet discovery Hi All, An intriguing story is developing over on the Minor Planet Mailing List. It appears that a comet has been discovered by some unknown party located in the western U.S. (based on the times of the two discovery images). The object has been confirmed today by two observatories: Ageo (349) and Moriyama (900), both in Japan. What's unusual is that the object does NOT appear to have been found using a CCD-equipped telescope. I have a feeling it was found visually, either with a backyard telescope or very large binoculars. --Rob __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Greg (Hupe)- how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Because from a buyers point-of-view it doesn't matter where an auction starts, it matters where it ends. Besides, many auctions, including many of yours, do not start at 99 cents. -Walter - Original Message - From: Greg Hupe gmh...@htn.net To: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 2:06 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi GregC and List, GregC wrote, Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Respectfully, I do not agree with this comment. If sellers are willing to eat pay more overhead through eBay's greed, how can buyers go wrong with great items that start at 99 cents? Best regards, Greg Greg Hupe The Hupe Collection NaturesVault (eBay) gmh...@htn.net www.LunarRock.com IMCA 3163 Click here for my current eBay auctions: http://search.ebay.com/_W0QQsassZnaturesvault - Original Message - From: Greg Catterton star_wars_collec...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 1:48 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Ebay has great reach. I will be using my website more and trying (as I have been, this fee raise has been known for months) Its really bad, will cause the buyers to pay more due to sellers marking up price to match the new cut ebay wants. Greg Catterton www.wanderingstarmeteorites.com IMCA member 4682 On Ebay: http://stores.shop.ebay.com/wanderingstarmeteorites --- On Wed, 3/17/10, Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com wrote: From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wednesday, March 17, 2010, 1:41 AM There are no online sites the can provide the reach that Ebay does. Ebay knows this, hence their overinflated fees and idiotic policies which are driving away sellers. No sellers + Nothing to buy = Less money for Ebay! Seems rather counter intuitive to me. I say Ebay should raise their fees to 50% and get it over with. At least then they'll go bankrupt faster and people will be motivated to create an alternative. Spacifieds.com is a free option. I created this site a while back and its been on pause for a while. http://www.spacifieds.com/ I know there's some other auction sites, but nothing like Ebay. Yahoo shut it's auctions down a long time ago, and Amazon is mainly books and stuff and their fees are expensive. I don't know of any alternative that can really compete with Ebay except Craigslist and Ebay owns 25% of that company too. Oh well... Regards, Eric On 3/16/2010 10:24 PM, Richard Kowalski wrote: Much of my collection has come about by winning ebay auctions, but I can see dealers bugging out in greater numbers. Ebay is easy to use, but I'd rather put my money in the dealer's than into ebay's pocket... What online auction sites are you dealers using or considering using? -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. -- Mike Bandli Historic Meteorites www.HistoricMeteorites.com IMCA #5765 --- -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Galactic Stone Ironworks Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 9:26 AM To: meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Jim, It's been tried before, most recently Eric W. tried it. (if memory serves me correctly) The problem is, many meteorite dealers are very competitive with each other, and I think if a dealer owns/runs the auction site, some other dealers will avoid it - no matter who that dealer/owner is. But I agree that a meteorite auction site (with traffic) would be great. :) Best regards, MikeG On 3/17/10, meteorite...@comcast.net meteorite...@comcast.net wrote: It seems that the solution to these high ebay fees is a no brainer. With so many meteorite dealers on the met-list, all of you should get together and have your auctions on a new site. An existing site or create your own. Possibly create a Meteorite Dealers Association that runs it and keeps it free of bogus sellers. I'm sure that a fee smaller than ebay's would pay for the site's maintenance. The possibility's of such a site would be endless. Jim Konwerski Crete, IL USA __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- Mike Gilmer - Galactic Stone Ironworks Meteorites http://www.galactic-stone.com http://www.facebook.com/galacticstone __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see
Eric I think you missed my point. I am not advocating building a new website to compete with ebay. I am talking about using resources that are already in place. I don't want to create a new ebay or an ebay competitor. But answer this question, if you would please. What would it hurt if a few dealers listed a few auctions, buy-it-nows, fixed price sales, etc. at these alternative sites then let met list members and IMCA members know about their auctions. Does everyone who buys meteorites use belong to this list or the IMCA? No, of course not. But I would be willing to wager a significant number do. I stated earlier that I sold kg upon kg of meteorites at astro auction. If I could do it, surely a real meteorite dealer could do it. I don't advocate building another ebay. I don't care about lamp shades, pokemon cards, flatware or women's make-up. Just put up some meteorites. See what happens. At a free site, could you lose money? -Walter - Original Message - From: Meteorites USA e...@meteoritesusa.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see Hi Walter, List, No matter how much time and effort you put into building it, they will NOT come to any site like they do to Ebay, unless... Perhaps the best way is free, fast, secure, it has to have the base and it needs to be easy. Ebay didn't just start from a website, there was money behind it. The only way to make something happen without money is to provide a motivation. I have created two websites one auction site and one classifieds site. The auction site was not free, the classifieds site was. The classifieds site saw much more traffic and popularity, and there were certain marketing and online advertising techniques I used to promote the site that worked great and allowed it to be ranked in the top 10 within a month or so. It grew VERY fast. No offense, but the sites you mention are not new and there are tons of free sites out there. People have been trying to compete with Ebay for a long time. The only one who has had real success is Craigslist. They are the single largest threat to Ebay's market share. If you were to build a site that they will come to, then that site I believe must be cheaper than Ebay, offer the same or comparable traffic or in marketing terms reach, as Ebay does, and at the same time make it EASY for people to post their items for sale. There's one thing I know that will accomplish ALL of that. That's a free classifieds site, with certain categories that can be charged for just like the Craigslist model. Take it from me, it's not about building it. It's about offering something of value. All the sites you mentioned have not come anywhere close to the reach that Ebay gives, to do that you need free and easy value. Most people will have no problems paying even a small fee, but you must make it fair or people will not participate. The issue is not really price or even benefits. It's about how EASY something is to do. If any site could offer the same reach as Ebay but cheaper, it will most likely be a success. Regards, Eric On 3/17/2010 11:33 AM, Walter Branch wrote: Hi Mike, For years I was the only meteorite seller at Astro Auction Kim Poor (the site administrator) asked me to bring more meteorite business to the site. I can't tell you how much Canyon Diablo I sold there. I informed a few dealers Astro Auction a few years ago but they never took advantage of the site. No one listed anything. Ironically Kim and Novaspace Galleries (the brick and morter store behind Astro Auction) are located in of all places, Tucson. Not too long ago I mentioned Cloudynights.com as an alternative to ebay. Totally free of fees. The time it takes to list an item is 30 seconds to one minute. How many new dealers started listing there? None. I see is that you are going to miss a massive chunk of the exposure that eBay provides. Not really. List meteorites at both sites. They are not mutually exclusive. The impetus for using sites other than ebay has to come from dealers, not buyers. What did they say in the movie, build it and they will come. Well, you won't be playing baseball in the middle of a cornfield. You gotta build the stadium first. -Walter - Original Message - From: Mike Bandli fuzzf...@comcast.net To: 'Galactic Stone Ironworks' meteoritem...@gmail.com; meteorite...@comcast.net Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 12:37 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see This auction site already exists and has been around for a long time. Best of all, there are zero fees. There is also a section for meteorites: www.Astro-Auction.com Though used mostly for space memorabilia, I believe an effort to move meteorite folks over there could be done. The only problem I see is that you
Re: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality
Hi Richard, You wrote, It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes Interestingly, the Astro Auctions website I and others mentioned earlier has exactly that format. -Walter - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2010 7:58 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] The Sniper Mentality This mentality, waiting until the last few seconds before bidding, is something I just don't get. Maybe someone can explain it to me. I bid for lots on ebay just like I do when I bid at a real auction. I set in my head what I believe the value of an item and what I have available in my budget to bid for that item. I then bid that much and no more. If I get the item, great. If not, someone wanted it more and we're willing to pay more for the item... While I will sometimes raise my ebay bid a little before the end of the auction, I really don't understand the idea of sitting there and in the last second or two, to try to jam in bids high enough to win the item. Do snipers really want the item or are they just trying to screw others out of the item? Are they just trying to get the item at a lower price, thinking that their competitors will just rebid again, upping the price? I see this on meteorite auctions every so often, but much more often on the Daguerreotypes I bid on. The reason I was reminded of it was a lot I just lost out on. There wasn't just one sniper, but two. The both bid at the exact same time, 2 seconds before the auction ended... As I said, it doesn't mater that I lost the lot. It went for more than I was willing to pay, so I wouldn't have rebid even if I could. Possibly someone can explain what is gained by bidding like this instead of just bidding what you think it's worth and letting it go for that... I'd really like to see ebay eliminate this foolery. It'd be pretty simple. Any bids that occur within one minute of the closing time of the auction automatically resets the end time by 10 minutes, or 30 minutes. The snipers games are eliminated and the dealers (and ebay) gets more profits because the auction remains open for the bidding to continue to higher levels. Just like in a real live auction. Thanks -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Ad: Lunar and Martian Meteorites
That auction Carl pointed out is funny but the sad part is, it's true. I received an email from ebay today notifying me of these fee changes and after investigating, I came to the same conclusion as the writer of that auction. I have grown to loath ebay. I don't list much at ebay anymore. Yesterday, I started selling off much of martian and lunar collection at another venue and I refuse to place it on ebay until I have exhausted all other avenues. If anyone wants a listing of the lunars and martians I am selling, just email me. These are good, quality specimens at fair prices. I will give the provenance of each specimen so you can check with the dealer I bought them from. I can send pictures as well. Believe me, these are good specimens from mars and the moon. No extra charge for shipping. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: cdtuc...@cox.net To: meteoritelist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 9:23 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Ad Ebay sellers must see ,Ebay .99 cent meteorite sellers, This is quite an offer from Ebay. must read to appreciate. Too Funny. This is not my AD but I thought you EBayers would appreciate it. http://cgi.ebay.com/OOAK-information-and-paper-for-doll-sellers_W0QQitemZ170460235613QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item27b038c75d Carl -- Carl or Debbie Esparza Meteoritemax __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hello Darryl, I usual I come late to the party. Monolith Monsters and The Dunwich Horror have already been mentioned by my esteemed colleagues but I don't recall anyone nominating It Came from Outer Space. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned. The movie was adapted from a story by Ray Bradbury, the title of which was The Meteor. Initially, the characters in the story and movie thought a meteor(ite) had fallen but soon realize it was just a spaceship. The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk7bJNyN44 and another trailer plus part one of the movie (in 3-d; go find your 3-d glasses): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvSTBqpioYfeature=related Live long and prosper. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hiya I would like to thank contributors for their input on my query of meteorites in pop culture. Very helpful. Thank you! I hope you realize the increased frequency of meteorite hits in pop cultural references is not just due to the meteorites themselves, but due, in part, to the passion and efforts of everyone on this list -- and that's so cool. Have a great weekend / Darryl p.s. Several folks mentioned Peter Hoeg's Smilla's Sense of Snow. It's extraordinary. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: You just reminded me of a recent meteor Bud Light commercial Richard. I thought you might know this one! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRELablT7T4 Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE That's a pretty daunting task to set for oneself Darryl. I think the more you look the more you'll find. Movies, TV shows, commercials, books, song lyrics, comic books, video games... and that's just in the US... I see people have already referenced 60's and 50's examples, even though you said recent. There is the Gilligan's Island episode Meet the Meteor (Available for viewing here: http://www.thewb.com/shows/gilligans-island/meet-the-meteor/097e2c1d-3384-4e2c-b9d1-c98a4e193a82 ) A few years ago there was a commercial for a pickup truck that was hit by a meteorite and drove away unharmed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg A band called The Meteor Pilots and on and on... You might want to put up a web form for people to offer titles. I think you'll find many score, if not hundreds of them Good luck. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE To: Adam List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:42 AM Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE
Hi Larry, A simple handshake will suffice :-) Glad I could help. -Walter - Original Message - From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net Cc: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hi Walter: I could hug you (I would say kiss you but might not be interpreted the right way). I have been using It Came From Outer Space for years in my class and since I also use 3D glasses, this is what I have been looking for and long given up on. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Larry Hello Darryl, I usual I come late to the party. Monolith Monsters and The Dunwich Horror have already been mentioned by my esteemed colleagues but I don't recall anyone nominating It Came from Outer Space. Apologies if this one has already been mentioned. The movie was adapted from a story by Ray Bradbury, the title of which was The Meteor. Initially, the characters in the story and movie thought a meteor(ite) had fallen but soon realize it was just a spaceship. The trailer: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLk7bJNyN44 and another trailer plus part one of the movie (in 3-d; go find your 3-d glasses): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVvSTBqpioYfeature=related Live long and prosper. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, March 12, 2010 9:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE Hiya I would like to thank contributors for their input on my query of meteorites in pop culture. Very helpful. Thank you! I hope you realize the increased frequency of meteorite hits in pop cultural references is not just due to the meteorites themselves, but due, in part, to the passion and efforts of everyone on this list -- and that's so cool. Have a great weekend / Darryl p.s. Several folks mentioned Peter Hoeg's Smilla's Sense of Snow. It's extraordinary. On Mar 12, 2010, at 7:58 PM, Jeff Kuyken wrote: You just reminded me of a recent meteor Bud Light commercial Richard. I thought you might know this one! ;-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRELablT7T4 Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2010 5:04 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE That's a pretty daunting task to set for oneself Darryl. I think the more you look the more you'll find. Movies, TV shows, commercials, books, song lyrics, comic books, video games... and that's just in the US... I see people have already referenced 60's and 50's examples, even though you said recent. There is the Gilligan's Island episode Meet the Meteor (Available for viewing here: http://www.thewb.com/shows/gilligans-island/meet-the-meteor/097e2c1d-3384-4e2c-b9d1-c98a4e193a82 ) A few years ago there was a commercial for a pickup truck that was hit by a meteorite and drove away unharmed... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_OtbXmu9kg A band called The Meteor Pilots and on and on... You might want to put up a web form for people to offer titles. I think you'll find many score, if not hundreds of them Good luck. -- Richard Kowalski Full Moon Photography IMCA #1081 --- On Fri, 3/12/10, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote: From: Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com Subject: [meteorite-list] QUESTION RE METEORITES AND POP CULTURE To: Adam List meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Friday, March 12, 2010, 8:42 AM Hi Everyone, I'm attempting to create a comprehensive list of pop cultural references in recent years in which meteorites appear in a supporting or lead role. I'm primarily looking at works of fiction but scientific references of the pop cultural ilk will be similarly welcome. Looking for films, TV, books, etc. Any input would be much appreciated. Thanks so much, and wishing you a good weekend, Darryl __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite
Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? Both Hammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene
Hi Richard, Since the Earth was essentially on the other side of the Sun at the time of each fall, that pretty much eliminates any chance the two objects were in the same orbit. Excellent point. Not zero, but very, very low probability. Also, as Shawn pointed out, the CRE ages are widely different. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Related Meteorite Falls 11 years apart? Both Hammers! Both L6 Olivine-hypersthene
I'm simply saying it seems like an awfully big coincidence to me that they hit the same location Not at all. Given the fact that every spot on earth has an equal probability of being impacted by a meteorite, the fact that two meteorites fell within a mile or so of each other is just random variation. It only seems like it is more than a coincidence because they were witnessed falls that hit houses and both were L6 - a very common classification.. There are documented strewnfields within strewnfields. Once they enter the Earth's atmosphere, these things have to fall somewhere. So many variables determine the eventual impact site, that over a long period of time (e.g., billions of years) these variables become random and they fall where they do. Which means my backyard is equally likely to receive a meteorite as the same dimension of land in Antarctica, or the Atlantic ocean for that matter, only I haven't lived in my house long enough to see it happen: But eventually, my backyard will receive a meteorite: again and again and again... And in eons past, it probably already has. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Vesta
Hello Everyone, As we all know, some meteorites originate from the asteroid Vesta. We can hold these meteorites in our hands, but how many have actually seen the parent body of the these wonderful meteorites. Phil Harrington is a regular contributor at Cloudy Nights. Phil is a big name in the area of binocular astronomy. This month's Binocular Universe article features a nice chart of how to spot Vesta, which is in the constellation Leo. http://www.cloudynights.com/item.php?item_id=2402 It's an easy target. I observed it recently through my 7 x 50 binoculars. Clear skies, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens
Hello Everyone, I don't like the idea of marking in any way a meteorite specimen. Over the years, I have bought planetary specimens from Jim Strope and I think Jim has a great way of producing an adequate paper record of a specimen. Jim scans the specimen and prints a COA with the scanned image, large enough to unmistakenly identify the specimen. He also adds a brief description of the specimen (weight, clasification ,etc.). Scanning works well for flat specimens such as slices but for individuals, a picture would serve the same purpose. I remember seeing a piece of software a few years ago that was a database of geological specimens, meant for collectors. The fields could be customized for a meteorite collection and images could be incorporated as part of the recoard for a given specimen. I can't remember if it was a flat file or relational type database. Has anyone seen this? -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Martin Altmann
Martin, I think I accidently deleted your email to me. Would you please re-send it. Thanks. Everyone else, apologies -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Labeling specimens
Hello Steve, My opinion is pretty much the opposite from yours. standard size and provenance Province would be okay, but I would not collect meteorites if they came in standard sizes. I like variety To create an investor market I don't really want investors to get involved in the meteorite market. If investors were to come in droves, I'm leaving. The prices would skyrocket and there would be no point in my collecting something I could not afford. we need to sell 1 cm square slices 4mm thick Again, I would leave. I don't want 1 cm square slices. graded like collector coins collector coins aren't graded. investment coins are. The field of stamp collecting recently started grading stamps. That, and rampant dealer dishonesty, have turned me away from stamp collecting, which I have done since I was a kid. I am not exaggerating when I say a formally .75 stamp, once graded now has an asking price of 75.00. Why, because Professional Stamp Experts (what a dumb sounding name) says is has a certain grade. Grading would be worse then having a flood of investors inter the market. To me grading is for people who don't want to take the time to actually learn something about meteorites (e.g., investors - gh :-) larger market of collector specimins with a higher value Higher value translates into higher prices. Personally, I don't really want that. I would be very pleased if the asking prices for meteorites took a nose dive. THAT might generate more collectors and less investors. vALUE OF METEORITES FOR EVERYONE Again, you mean higher prices. authenticated by the imca. Steve, aren't you being presumptious? The IMCA does not authenticate meteorites, and I think it pretty safe to say it never will. it would be a win win situation Everyone will lose. Except of course, the investors who would make some money then pull out. Not to be argumentative. Just my opinions. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Mark Bostick?
Hello Everyone, Can somebody tell me, whatever happened to meteorite collector and dealer Mark Bostick? -Walter Branch _ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] AD: MARS at $295 A gram
Hi Dean, I am missing something? Neither your email nor website indicate which NWA Martian this is. Which one is it? -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: dean bessey deanbes...@yahoo.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 8:01 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] AD: MARS at $295 A gram I was planning on holding on to these for some time but I have a project on the go that requires money so am selling off my Mars stock. Over 20 grams available $295 a gram Uncut and $325 for cut (Cut slightly higher to help cover my cutting loss). In particular there are two really nice complete slices http://www.meteoriteshop.com/mars-sale.html Sincerely DEAN http://www.meteoriteshop.com/mars-sale.html __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Off topic, but thanks
Greetings to everyone on the meteorite list: It was three years ago this past week, when I was involved in a terrible automobile accident that nearly took my life, and the life of my daughter, now 10. I don't know why, but a few minutes ago I did a Google search on my name. I found my website for the psychology practice at which at work (I am the amateurish webmaster). Evidently, there is a Walter Branch library in Houston, Texas. That's cool, I like libraries. A few odds and ends. Then a found an email my wife had sent to the list soon after the accident and the subsequent well wishing emails from many list members. Re-reading those emails literally brought tears to my eyes. Many list members sent cards to me, letters and emails to my wife and even financial contributions and meteorites. Eric Olson even visited me in the hospital. Thanks Eric. I spent months in the hospital recovering from the initial injuries and complications. More surgeries (ten total) followed my discharge but I saw my surgeon for the last time on Thursday of this week and well, that's it. My three year medical ordeal will end with a Band-aid over a small abdominal wound. I know I have said this before, but I just wanted everyone to know that those cards, letters, contributions and support meant a lot to me. They still do. I still have the signed poster, all the cards, letters, emails etc. which you good people sent to me and my family. I cherish the framed card which begins, Get Well Soon, Walter, From Your Meteorite Friends... Some Meteorite Friends have gone on to other pursuits, some have lost loved ones and some we have lost. Some have found fame and fortune and some live in obscurity. I know at times I have been grumpy on this list and perhaps sent some emails I later regretted sending but I really do enjoy being a member and I apologize to those I have offended. Anyway, for those of you who made it made it through this rambling way off topic email... Thanks again. I hope a rock from space lands in your back yard, if not through your roof! -Walter Branch _ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy
They had a movie called Asteroid on earlier today. That one is a real keeper as well. I love it when rocks just explode into huge fireballs on impact with the ground :-) -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: lebof...@lpl.arizona.edu To: Elizabeth Warner warne...@astro.umd.edu Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteor Storm on Syfy Thanks for the link. It is on in 20 minutes (10:00 here in Tucson). It looks like a gem, something that I can use in my class as an example of what is wrong with this scene? Larry So, anyone else watching this masterpiece on Syfy? http://www.apocalypticmovies.com/tag/meteor-storm/ http://www.sfuniverse.com/2010/01/29/michael-trucco-talks-battlestar-big-bang-and-one-huge-meteor-storm/ Clear Skies! Elizabeth __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] NWA 482
Hello Everyone, I have a couple of questions about lunar meteorite NWA 482. Dealers and re-sellers of this meteorite often note that NWA 482 originates from the lunar farside. Randy Korotov notes that there no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside. See for example, http://meteorites.wustl.edu/lunar/moon_meteorites.htm Dealers and re-sellers, what is the evidence that NWA 482 origiantes from the lunar farside? Randy, why did you write that there is no scientific evidence that any particular lunar meteorite originates from the lunar farside? In fact, I would welcome any scientists opinion on this issue. Thanks, -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Christian Anger
This is sad news, indeed. I only knew Christian through email correspondence. He was always a pleasant person with which to talk about anything meteoritical. His presence here on the list will surely be missed. My only regret is that I never met him in person. My sincere condolences go out to his family. Life itself is a wonderful thing, made better by the friends we cherish while we live our lives, and those we leave behind when we pass on. -Walter Branch __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Merry Christmas Everyone
Hello Everyone, I just wanted to wish everyone on the Meteorite List a Merry Christmas I have been absent from meteorites for much of this year as I wantd to complete some astronomy projects in celibration of 2009 being the International year of Astronomy. http://www.astronomy2009.org/ It was in 1609 when Galileo first turned a home made telescope upon the heavens and began systematically observing objects in space. The next year, he published Sidereus Nuncius (Sidereal or Starry Messenger) and changed the course of Astronomy forever. http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Galileo.html Anyway, Merry Christmas and I hope 2010 is a pleasant and peaceful year for us all. -Walter Branch __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information
Bill- Count yourself as one of those stupid people who let their emotions rule over rational thinking. When you know all the details of the case, then you to can judge others. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Bill Mason bmas...@comcast.net To: 'Anita Westlake' anitawestl...@att.net; cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 11:54 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Dear Fellow members, Today in the United States we have a group of people who are so insecure and so stupid that they do not have the ability to think beyond their own have little worldme,me,me is the limit of their scope of existence. Consider the source, when being Accused - you'd find this woman probably totally miserable. The judge who ruled by rule of law - no rational thinking on his part - no understanding only unimaginative condemnation. We are in trouble-when emotion wins over rational thinking. Bill Mason rusting -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Anita Westlake Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 8:12 PM To: cyna...@charter.net; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information Hi Darren: I think this woman was a nut-job b /c she over-reacted to trepassing. Makes me think she had a still or something else she was hiding! Sure, I don't want people trespassing on my property, but to take it to court seems a little extreme to me. What I would have done, had it been me, would be to say: Cool! Let me know if you find anything! I realize that not all people think like me. 'Tis a pity. Anita - Original Message From: Darren Garrison cyna...@charter.net To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:48:51 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Meteorite Hunters Sentenced- new information On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 20:20:47 EDT, you wrote: You must be joking! It's not like they were breaking into her house. My home includes my land. If you are on my land, you are in my house. I own 700+ acres in Idaho and if I took a shot at someone every time there were dirt bikers, snowmobilers, horse riders, hikers or hunters on my land, I would run out of ammo. Crossing someone's land that is not fenced and posted is not that big of a deal in a civilized culture. There is a difference between crossing and wandering around on. And there is a difference between having hundreds of acres of open land and having a few acres that you live in, alone, elderly, and with a history of armed poachers on your land. Staying the holy hell off of someone else's personal property also should not be a problem in a civilized culture. Don't make them out to be bad people or unprofesional. They were just unlucky enough to cross a nut jobs path! I don't make them out to be bad people-- just wrong. And this woman is NOT a nut job. She was 100% within her rights. I don't know this woman, but I'm personally offended at her being characterized as a crackpot-- she was RIGHT, the collectors were WRONG. Some people think that their homes and their land are a personal refuge from the outside world where you can relax, live as you want, and BE SAFE. You have no way of knowing what the intentions of any trespasser are-- they could be harmless, and they could be out to rob or kill you-- and at the very least, they are disturbing your privacy. The burden is NOT on the home owner to prove that a trespasser is harmless before treating them like they are a danger. If a total stranger is found wandering on my property, the logical, sane, and self-preserving thing to do is be on my guard and assume that they are a risk until THEY prove that they are not. I used to wish a meteorite would fall on my property-- but after joining this list, I no longer wish that. People with the attitude of being able to go wherever they damn well please without permission and people with attitudes like Steve Arnold's, where he bragged about using hard-sell tactics to try to badger land owners into letting him search their lands make me hope like hell that a meteorite never lands anywhere near me. __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com
Re: [meteorite-list] Question
Ohhh, nice Jeff, very nice!!! -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Jeff Grossman jgross...@usgs.gov To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 12:50 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Question Probably 5-10 (years). At 12:23 PM 8/21/2009, Greg Stanley wrote: Thanks everyone, I found this very interesting. I wonder how much ALH 84001 would sell for if it went to market? Greg S. From: stanleygr...@hotmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 12:26:17 -0700 Subject: [meteorite-list] Question List: I was wondering what was the most valuable single meteorite - not scientific but the most value $/gram? Also, what is the most valuable type? Mars, Lunar or other? Do Lunar meteorites still have the most value? Much Thanks, Greg S. _ Get back to school stuff for them and cashback for you. http://www.bing.com/cashback?form=MSHYCBpubl=WLHMTAGcrea=TEXT_MSHYCB_BackToSchool_Cashback_BTSCashback_1x1 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list _ With Windows Live, you can organize, edit, and share your photos. http://www.windowslive.com/Desktop/PhotoGallery __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Dr. Jeffrey N. Grossman phone: (703) 648-6184 US Geological Survey fax: (703) 648-6383 954 National Center Reston, VA 20192, USA __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw?
Hi Richard, I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that saw. The kerf will take away a large portion of any meteorite you cut. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number of comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I decided on a saw. I just ordered the Husky 7 Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is only available online and not in their stores. Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little easier! Thanks for all of you who gave me input. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Cloudy Nights Space Rocks Forum
Hello Everyone, As a follow-up from yesterday's posting about the website Cloudy Nights, I would like to invite fellow Meteorite Central list members to check out the Space Rocks forum at Cloudy Nights. Not as an alternative to Meteorite Central, but simply as a nice place to visit and post. The members there are very friendly congenial and are eager to learn and share information about meteorites. Meteorite Central list member Martin Horejsi (aka, Dark Matter here; Zagami there) has a very delightful and informative (when is Martin not informative - he is better than Burks' Cosmic Debris) running column titled A Few Good Meteorites featuring fantastic pictures and text about old, historic meteorites. If you have not seen this, you are missing out on what could easily be published as a book about historically, scientifically and culturally significant meteorites. It's that good! Here is a link to the Space Rocks forum: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/Metorites Other areas of interest on Cloudy Nights include a Vendor's forum (including meteorite vendors): http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/postlist.php/Cat/0/Board/vendorann And Classifieds and Swap-and-Shop sections (including meteorites). BTW, there are no selling or listing fees and no membership fees when you join Cloudy Nights. Of course for those of you with an interest in Astronomy (like me) there are also forums devoted to lunar and planetary observing, deep space and double star observing, equipment and eyepieces, binoculars, telescope-specific forums, astronomical art (which I like), sketching (which I am getting into), among others. Anyway, at least check out the Space Rocks forum. It's really nice. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Walter Branch waltbra...@bellsouth.net To: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com; meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, August 21, 2009 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? Hi Richard, I hope you are not planning on using a tile blade with that saw. The kerf will take away a large portion of any meteorite you cut. -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Richard Kowalski damoc...@yahoo.com To: meteorite list meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 9:11 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Trim Saw? Awhile back I asked this list for comments on trim saws. I got a number of comments off list and at least one person asked for an update once I decided on a saw. I just ordered the Husky 7 Wet Tile Saw from Home Depot http://tinyurl.com/lofh24 It seems to have a pretty good user rating (4.4 out of 5 stars, 18 ratings) and is currently on sale for $126.88 with free shipping. It is only available online and not in their stores. Unfortunately for those of you that live in Alaska or Hawai'i (or outside the US for that matter) it isn't available to you. Since I have to re-tile my bathroom, I can justify this saw a little easier! Thanks for all of you who gave me input. -- Richard Kowalski http://fullmoonphotography.net IMCA #1081 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out
Hello Fred, I can honestly say that Cloudy Nights is my number one favorite site on the web. It is a model for others to follow. The members, moderators and administrators members are a great bunch of folks and if you are an amateur astronomer, you really need to be a Cloudy Nights member. In fact, it is open in another window right now! -Walter Branch - Original Message - From: Fred Bieler f...@astronomics.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, August 19, 2009 7:43 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Three Strikes and You're Out One of the things my telescope business, Astronomics, allows me to do is own the astronomy oriented forum at www.cloudynights.com. This is the largest, and we believe the friendliest, astronomical forum site on the internet and the official world-wide forums of the 2009 International Year of Astronomy. We have over 33,000 registered users (some of whom are list members here). When I checked a few minutes ago, we had 368 registered users online in the middle of the day and a substantial number of anonymous users. Granted, Cloudy Nights has a lot of volunteer moderators who monitor the various fora full time and keep things civil, which is not something that can be done here because of the small size of the meteorite community, but there are a few things that might be worth considering. The basic Cloudy Nights Terms of Service are as follow: Simply put, the following behavior is expected from users: * Play Nice * Share * Be Polite * Be Honest * Respect other members the administrators and moderators who are working to keep this board a useful resource. Above all, do unto others as you would have them do unto you. If you want to see the full Cloudy Nights Terms of Service, here's a link: http://www.cloudynights.com/ubbthreads/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/233117/page /0/view/collapsed/sb/5/o/all/fpart/1. If a Cloudy Nights user violates the TOS, the moderators can give the user a warning strike and delete objectionable posts or portions of the post with the concurrence of the other moderators. Next violation, another warning and a second strike. Third strike, and it's like baseball, you're out (at least for a while to give you time to cool off). The moderators vote to give the user a three-day timeout (where the user can't post to the fora or reply to fora comments for three days). After a three-day timeout, continued violations of the TOS result in another timeout of three days or longer, while violations after multiple timeouts leading to bans up to and including one for life. The moderators and administrators invariably have extended discussions about the penalties out of view of the general users before deciding on any of these steps. While it is unlikely that this meteorite forum has enough members to allow it to become a fully moderated forum like Cloudy Nights, Art might find it worthwhile to consider applying the CN three strikes rule himself when it comes to the flame wars and other uncivil emails that sometimes seem to far outnumber the useful emails. When large numbers of list members complain about the flame wars and the other members' failure to play nice, and some leave the forum for good because all they find is post after post kvetching and beating a dead horse, it might be time for the owner to apply a little gentle pressure on the offending members in an effort to retain the members who are being offended, rather than let them drift away. I'd rather lose a few bad apples than have them put the entire orchard at risk. Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Cloudy Nights www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 Fred Bieler Astronomics/Christophers, Ltd./Better View Desired www.astronomics.com 800.422.7876 __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Yet another gimmicky expensivemeteoritecollectable
In book 56, article 45, subsection 31, paragraph 20, quatrain 8, line 3 Martin Wrote Of course these people can't have any idea what a meteorite is, how they are Nice summary, Martin. -Walter Branch (surgery again tomorrow :-( - Original Message - From: Martin Altmann altm...@meteorite-martin.de To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Tuesday, July 07, 2009 10:23 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Yet another gimmicky expensivemeteoritecollectable No, it shows only how exotic these laws are. I'm sure the Australian Government doesn't intentionally want to keep the Australian meteorites in Australia, I'm rather convinced that quite nobody in the Australian government is aware of that law at all, because normal people don't know about meteorites or care about at all. And you have to keep in mind, how such laws happen. The most probable scenario is, that there are a handful of curators or meteorite scientists, who express their wishes, that the national meteorites should be theirs or that they should end in their hands or what ever their motivation might be. No matter how thought-out their ideas are, and they are sitting in a committee or elsewhere they give the recommendation to the legislature, that meteorites do have to be protected. Legislature means: politicians and civil servants. Of course these people can't have any idea what a meteorite is, how they are found, how many do exist, what for a scientific or economical value they have or don't have and how they were exchanged between finders, museums, dealers, collectors in past. At best they have heard of artefacts, dinosaurs, resources - and know, that these other - in their eyes similar - objects, have to be protected and are of great importance - and anyway the proposal to protect meteorites comes from scientists, hence people, who are supposed to know about what they are talking, therefore they will always wave that petition through and will add the word meteorites into the relevant already existent laws. You see it in the Aussie-Natural-Heritage lists, there they simply added meteorites, it would have been logic to add the Australian tektites too - they are much more valuable than that Henbury, Mundrabilla, Boxhole, Camel Donga, Millbillillie stuff and much more rare, but you don't find them there. There you can see how arbitrary that all is. Or think to Poland - in the last 70 years they had 4 (four) meteorites there - so I really doubt, that any politician would have seen an urgent need for action to create a law for meteorites - but they did, so bizarre or droll this may sound to you. Most probably because a panjandrum put a bug in a clerk's or politician's ear. Or because one from the latter felt for the usual rubbish in the newspapers, that meteorites would have a value of millions of dollars per stone and are trafficked and dealt by shady persons by thousands of tons on ominous black markets. So that they get alerted, to protect the thousands of tons and quadrillions of Zloty of their Polish meteorites (and to get a faster promotion). But! If once a word is added into a law, then it will be horribly difficult to remove it from there again. Look - nobody could have said anything about that experiment to protect meteorites in Australia. Now we can judge the results, because enough time has elapsed to see, what the impact of this laws were. Well and there everybody can see, that the law had a converse effect than initially intended: Much, much less meteorites are recovered and almost no Australian meteorites end up anymore in the Australian institutional collections and universities. Wait - I will look in the Bulletin Database. During the last 10 years - 1999-2009 2007:Bunburra Rockhole, EUC, tkw 324g - a Fall 2006:Eldee 001 L6, S3, W1-2 tkw 4.51kg, Eldee 002 L6-melt breccia, W2 tkw 101g YaringieH6, tkw 5.75 kg 2003:Prospector Pool Iron, ungrouped tkw 2.77kg 2002:Myrtle Springs H4 tkw 53g (Hello Don!) 1999:Dunbogan L6 tkw 30ga Fall Reid 028 H6, W3 tkw 30g Makes up 8 (eight) meteorites. Australia has a total of 649 meteorites. And these, Ladies and Gentlemen, were the complete officially recorded new meteorites of the decade of a whole continent, a continent full of deserts. For you in USA, where no such laws exist, to compare: (I don't know, whether your deserts are of comparable size and so suitable for meteorites like the Australian deserts) But USA had in the same time: 1999-2009 officially recorded in the Bulletins: 282 new meteorites And USA has a total of 1576 meteorites. GIST OF THAT POSTING: --- during the last 10 years 18% of all known US-meteorites were found --- during the last 10 years 1% of all known Aussie-meteorites were found I use the percentage to exclude factors like population density, properties of the surface and size of overall surface
