Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite..where to look for pieces!
Hi all, Just found out where Mike, Moritz and Rob should have been looking for the Carancas pieces. Apparently, after the police spread the story of the meteorite possibly being dangerous...(or whoever that was) in order to get pieces given to them by the locals. Most of them got scared and threw their pieces away in the* trash!!!*. So most of it is probably down the local dump!!! Sounds criminal to me! Graham Ensor,UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite..where to look for pieces!
In that case you would have to search the streets in that place since I recall that the streets and backyards and the river bed were mostly being used as the local dump. Sad to see something like that but it is true. See here: http://www.m3t3orites.com/meteorites/img/carancas/carancas01.jpg http://www.m3t3orites.com/meteorites/img/carancas/carancas02.jpg Regards Moritz -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von ensoramanda Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Oktober 2007 21:08 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite..where to look for pieces! Hi all, Just found out where Mike, Moritz and Rob should have been looking for the Carancas pieces. Apparently, after the police spread the story of the meteorite possibly being dangerous...(or whoever that was) in order to get pieces given to them by the locals. Most of them got scared and threw their pieces away in the* trash!!!*. So most of it is probably down the local dump!!! Sounds criminal to me! Graham Ensor,UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
little video at the end of the story: http://spacefiles.blogspot.com/2007/10/carancas-meteorite-peru.html Stefan __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite...glassy spheres.
Mike, They'd be TINY, one millimeter or less with a rare 2-3 millimeter one once in a while. You couldn't really search for them visually unless they had an odd color (which happens). Take some specimen jars with you, scoop up a small amount of powder, ejecta, without digging into the ground dirt, all from one spot, all in one scoop, seal it, label it with the location relative to the crater, like ejecta blanket, 5 meters out and bring'em back, ten or more from near and far and all sides. Better still, have a helper to do it. Why do profs have grad students, sorcerers and journeymen have apprentices? Somebody's got to do the scut work! If no scientist wants to work them up, put'em on eBay: Carancas Ejecta Blanket Sample, Meteorite Dust and Particles, 50 grams. Sterling K. Webb - - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:18 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite...glassy spheres. I searched the heck out of the soil, and never saw any, but hey, I was looking for meteorite chunks, not glass spheroids. Mike --- ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In earlier discussions on the list it was discussed...I think!...that if the Carancas meteorite was still ablating near to impact that there would be evidence in the form of ablation material around the site. The dealer in Bolivia informed me that there were indeed small glassy spheres around in the soil found by locals with magnets. Unfortunately he did not collect or record any. Or could these be formed by heat on impact? Anybody have any thoughts. Mike, Moritz or Rob. Did you come across any? Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite..where to look for pieces!
Yes, it was a disgusting open sewer behind our hotel. Any meteorite thrown in there can stay there. Mike Farmer --- Moritz Karl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case you would have to search the streets in that place since I recall that the streets and backyards and the river bed were mostly being used as the local dump. Sad to see something like that but it is true. See here: http://www.m3t3orites.com/meteorites/img/carancas/carancas01.jpg http://www.m3t3orites.com/meteorites/img/carancas/carancas02.jpg Regards Moritz -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von ensoramanda Gesendet: Sonntag, 7. Oktober 2007 21:08 An: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite..where to look for pieces! Hi all, Just found out where Mike, Moritz and Rob should have been looking for the Carancas pieces. Apparently, after the police spread the story of the meteorite possibly being dangerous...(or whoever that was) in order to get pieces given to them by the locals. Most of them got scared and threw their pieces away in the* trash!!!*. So most of it is probably down the local dump!!! Sounds criminal to me! Graham Ensor,UK __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
Hi All, I've been following the Carnacas story from the beginning (mostly on the Minor Planet Mailing List and through Babelfish translations of news stories and scientific initial reports), but couldn't resist paying a visit to the Meteorite-List archives to see what kind of excitement had transpired here. I'm happy to see Sterling and Mexico Doug have been engaged in theoretical vollies on the survival odds for the body that produced the impact pit. I haven't modeled it yet (since there is little dynamical information to go on), so I can't say with any certainty whether a significant (greater than 1 metric ton) mass could have avoided pulverization. Given the pre-impact size (probably greater than 1 cubic meter), composition (non-iron), and comparatively high altitude of the impact site, we really have no past analogs that we can use to predict expected outcomes. But the size of the impact pit and the chondritic composition do place a reasonably narrow restriction on the size of the body (e.g. larger than a 32 TV but smaller than a VW bug). One question for any bolide is whether there is an initial exoatmospheric velocity and angle of attack that permits sufficiently graceful deceleration and ablation for a big chunk of it to survive to the ground. If the answer is yes, then the second question is whether it can survive largely intact after impacting the ground. My intuition suggests that since the first question involves greater forces than the second, if the meteoroid can avoid atmospheric vaporization or pulverization, it should certainly survive hitting the ground. For meteoroids in this size range, maximum dynamic pressure should have occurred miles above the ground -- even the high altitude ground of the Peruvian-Bolivian border. That the pit was created at all pretty much answers the first question, since a shower of small meteorites could hardly have done the job. Now, let's take a look at the possibilities for the initial velocity. According to the INGEMMET initial report, the time of the fall was 11:45 local, though the report *also* says that the World Time of the fall was 19:45, which is not consistent with Peru's UTC-5hr timezone. Since I find it less likely that scientists screwed up their local time than made a mistake converting it to GMT, I'll assume the time was 16:45 UT. At this time, the sun was just past the meridian in Carancas so astronomically speaking it was in the afternoon. This is good for meteorite survival chances. The slowest possible meteoroid at this time of year and time of day would have approached Carancas from the east-southeast. The best information so far suggests that this meteoroid travelled from SSW to NNE, indicating that the meteoroid was on an ascending node crossing of the ecliptic and had a low to moderate encounter velocity. If Marco Langbroek is still a list member, he has a tool which can probably be used iteratively to find the range of reasonable earth-encounter velocities for meteoroids with aphelions in the main belt. The radiant was probably somewhere in the constellation of Centaurus, Lupus or Circinus, unless the entry angle was very steep (Hydra) or very shallow (Norma, Triangulum Australe, Ara or Pavo). --Rob __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
Good photos in this auction. Seller claims to have other sizes, up to 3 KG http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180167029071 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
Good luck getting your pieces from Bolivia. I give a 1 in 10 chance for a package to arrive unpilfered. Michael Farmer --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good photos in this auction. Seller claims to have other sizes, up to 3 KG http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180167029071 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
I hope not. My piece was mailed out 4 days ago. We'll see - Original Message - From: Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 5:27 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite Good luck getting your pieces from Bolivia. I give a 1 in 10 chance for a package to arrive unpilfered. Michael Farmer --- Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good photos in this auction. Seller claims to have other sizes, up to 3 KG http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=180167029071 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite...glassy spheres.
Hi, In earlier discussions on the list it was discussed...I think!...that if the Carancas meteorite was still ablating near to impact that there would be evidence in the form of ablation material around the site. The dealer in Bolivia informed me that there were indeed small glassy spheres around in the soil found by locals with magnets. Unfortunately he did not collect or record any. Or could these be formed by heat on impact? Anybody have any thoughts. Mike, Moritz or Rob. Did you come across any? Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite...glassy spheres.
I searched the heck out of the soil, and never saw any, but hey, I was looking for meteorite chunks, not glass spheroids. Mike --- ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, In earlier discussions on the list it was discussed...I think!...that if the Carancas meteorite was still ablating near to impact that there would be evidence in the form of ablation material around the site. The dealer in Bolivia informed me that there were indeed small glassy spheres around in the soil found by locals with magnets. Unfortunately he did not collect or record any. Or could these be formed by heat on impact? Anybody have any thoughts. Mike, Moritz or Rob. Did you come across any? Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite...glassy spheres.
Hi, Graham, List, Yeah, I mentioned the glassy spheroids in my first 1 or 2 posts. They can form from the ablative trail or from impact. IF an impactor vaporizes, or any substantial part of it, a cloud of rock vapor is ejected by the shock front of its own formation. Rapidly cooled by the surrounding atmosphere, the tiny condensing droplets of molten rock solidify. Because they are quenched rapidly (if not instantly), no crystallization of the mineral can take place -- you get amorphic glass. Because of the heat of vaporization, they possess no magnetic properties whatever; they're just tiny beads of glass. However, they maintain the bulk composition of the meteorite (minus the volatiles); if you find any, it can determined if they're from the meteorite or not this means. The meteorite dust should contain some spheroids from ablation, which produces not only molten rock stripped from the meteoroid but a fraction that actually vaporizes in the ablative process. Finding small qualtities right up the crater would indicate the impactor ablated all the way to the ground (it's been observed, though rarely). That would set the minimum impact velocity at about 2000 meters per second. Finding a larger amount of spheroids distributed though the ejecta blanket and possibly further afield would mean the impactor or part of it vaporized on impact. Vaporization by impact requires a high specific energy, about 18,000 joules per gram of rock, which is the kinetic energy of an impact at 6000 meters per second. Sterling K. Webb -- - Original Message - From: ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite...glassy spheres. Hi, In earlier discussions on the list it was discussed...I think!...that if the Carancas meteorite was still ablating near to impact that there would be evidence in the form of ablation material around the site. The dealer in Bolivia informed me that there were indeed small glassy spheres around in the soil found by locals with magnets. Unfortunately he did not collect or record any. Or could these be formed by heat on impact? Anybody have any thoughts. Mike, Moritz or Rob. Did you come across any? Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite altitude.
The three of us who went to Peru GPS'd the Carancas meteorite crater, and all three came up with the same altitude, 3,792 meters. It should now be the highest meteorite found. This is ~11,900 feet. I know it was a tad difficult to breath up there. Michael Farmer Ps, I am working on a webpage right now to show our trip to Peru. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite crater
Hi, I have some new more detailed photos of the crater just sent to me ...will try and get them somewhere with a link...soon Rob McCafferty wrote: I remember doing calculations at university to estimate the size of an impact crater and for a rock maintaining it's cosmic velocity, it tends to be around 20:1. The conditions for surviving to the surface are quite exacting and with chondrite craters such a rarity, are we looking at an absolute ideal angle and speed for this not to disintegrate or slow down completely on its descent. And I apologise if this answer has already been given, but what mass/dimensions was the impactor likely to have had? I suspect a 1m diameter rock is consistent with a proper crater of this size. While this may be a 3tonne rock most of it would be destroyed by the impact if it retained much of its cosmic velocity. This seems consistent with the few fragments though backward spallation. While I find the prospect of ablation right to the surface unappealing, I don't believe it could have made a crater rather than a tunnel had it not been going at several km/s when it hit that wet ground. It's just it seems such a rare occurence, I wonder if we're looking at a special case for incoming bolides here, with very narrow limits on angle, speed and meteor structure. If this crater, the fragments and the witness reports are properly studied, this fall has the potential to improve our understanding of the dynamics involved. Very interesting stuff Rob McC --- Michael Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.star-bits.com/impact-craters.htm Hi everyone, Eric Olson is at my house to see the Carancas meteorites, and he asked me to post this link. It is a list of every known impact crater of more than 10 meters in diameter, from which meteorites had been found. Of all of those craters, not one, ZERO is associated with a chondrite. Jilin and Norton County, both masses well over a ton, had craters less than 50% the size of the Carancas meteorite. This is very interesting and proves how rare such a chondrite fall is! Michael Farmer I am ready to forget and ignore the controversy and focus on the science of this spectaclar event at this time, I have had my say and told my story. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite crater...more detail and 116g piece
Hi all, Just been sent these... Some quite detailed shots of the crater showing the strata and debris and less water in than most shots. Also a shot of a nice 116g piece...still cant tell if thats fusion crust or shock vein exposed...what do anyone else think? http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater4.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater3.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater1.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasMeteorite116g.jpg Regards Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite crater...more detail and 116g piece
Notice how full of garbage the crater is? This is how Peru treats the crater, and you have to wonder why they wnet nuts over us trying to save the meteorite from destruction. Mike --- ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Just been sent these... Some quite detailed shots of the crater showing the strata and debris and less water in than most shots. Also a shot of a nice 116g piece...still cant tell if thats fusion crust or shock vein exposed...what do anyone else think? http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater4.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater3.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater1.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasMeteorite116g.jpg Regards Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite crater...more detail and 116g piece
On Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:49:37 +0100, you wrote: http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater4.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater3.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/CarancasCrater1.jpg Wow, look at all the garbage that has been tossed into it. That's going to be a great tourist attraction for all of those honest, hard working, religious people. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CARANCAS meteorite expedition pages up, enjoy!
Ok list, I have been working all day, and finally am about finished. Here is the preliminary pages for the carancas meteorite fall. I will make some changes as I see the need, but this should feed your hunger for information and photos. Michael Farmer http://meteoriteguy.com/carancasfall.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/carancasfallexpedition.htm http://meteoriteguy.com/carancasfallexpedition2.htm __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite crater, and list of all known craters
http://www.star-bits.com/impact-craters.htm Hi everyone, Eric Olson is at my house to see the Carancas meteorites, and he asked me to post this link. It is a list of every known impact crater of more than 10 meters in diameter, from which meteorites had been found. Of all of those craters, not one, ZERO is associated with a chondrite. Jilin and Norton County, both masses well over a ton, had craters less than 50% the size of the Carancas meteorite. This is very interesting and proves how rare such a chondrite fall is! Michael Farmer I am ready to forget and ignore the controversy and focus on the science of this spectaclar event at this time, I have had my say and told my story. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas Meteorite photos....again!
Hi all, I'll try this one more timeposted it once already but folks seem more interested in discussing other peoples arguments than looking at some detailed shots of the actual meteorite. I obtained these photographs from a Bolivian Mineral dealer who seems to have been to the Carancas area and found several kilo's of the meteorite. Not sure exactly if he bought them or collected them near the crater or elsewhere further back down the strewnfield...they look very fresh.. Comparing them with others so far I think they look genuine. I would be glad of anyones comments on this 9.8g fragment. Here they are...hope this post isnt delayed like the others last night!! http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6903.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6902.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6901.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6899.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6898.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6897.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6894.jpg Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite - research paper #1 - Effects of meteorite dust on mucus membranes
Greetings, 1) I believe nobody in Carancas knew what impacted. Their first thought was that an airplane had crashed as did the people in Aplao, Chiclayo and Cusco. A normal and natural reaction. This is all they know, because sometimes airplane fly over. I am speculating. If it had been a nuclear-powered satellite, then the police from Desaguadero would be dead by now. Fair assumption? 2) Wrong assumption. The police collected them because people were getting sick. This is a very close-nit community, and they were trying to protect the people. In my opinion, they were heroic. 3) Yes, I agree. Mike is welcome back into Peru to volunteer his services to search for strewnfields as is any other person with legitimate interest. I've heard reports of other impacts in a 25 km radius and there may be quite a bit of other material. 4) Yes, thank you. :) I would like to add, that when my wife was pouring grains of meteorite dust from a bottle I bought from Justina. She said her nose felt like the stinging of a thousand little bees. (Spanish interpretation). Would anyone care to do analysis on the effects of this meteoric dust (vaporized and aerosolized) on mucusoal membranes. If so, what would be the minimum you would require for analysis? Include credentials please. I be happy to send some, just pay for shipping. Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite - research paper #1 - Effects of meteorite dust on mucus membranes
Greetings, 1) I believe nobody in Carancas knew what impacted. Their first thought was that an airplane had crashed as did the people in Aplao, Chiclayo and Cusco. A normal and natural reaction. This is all they know, because sometimes airplane fly over. I am speculating. If it had been a nuclear-powered satellite, then the police from Desaguadero would be dead by now. Fair assumption? 2) Wrong assumption. The police collected them because people were getting sick. This is a very close-nit community, and they were trying to protect the people. In my opinion, they were heroic. 3) Yes, I agree. Mike is welcome back into Peru to volunteer his services to search for strewnfields as is any other person with legitimate interest. I've heard reports of other impacts in a 25 km radius and there may be quite a bit of other material. 4) Yes, thank you. :) I would like to add, that when my wife was pouring grains of meteorite dust from a bottle I bought from Justina. She said her nose felt like the stinging of a thousand little bees. (Spanish interpretation). Would anyone care to do analysis on the effects of this meteoric dust (vaporized and aerosolized) on mucusoal membranes. If so, what would be the minimum you would require for analysis? Include credentials please. I be happy to send some, just pay for shipping. Randall __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Meteorite photos....again!
I can start to upload some digital photos of meteorite's in my possession if anyone would care to host. Randall On 10/3/07, ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I'll try this one more timeposted it once already but folks seem more interested in discussing other peoples arguments than looking at some detailed shots of the actual meteorite. I obtained these photographs from a Bolivian Mineral dealer who seems to have been to the Carancas area and found several kilo's of the meteorite. Not sure exactly if he bought them or collected them near the crater or elsewhere further back down the strewnfield...they look very fresh.. Comparing them with others so far I think they look genuine. I would be glad of anyones comments on this 9.8g fragment. Here they are...hope this post isnt delayed like the others last night!! http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6903.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6902.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6901.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6899.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6898.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6897.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6894.jpg Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas Meteorite photos....again!
Sorry i didn't respond initially. cool pics! Jerry Flaherty - Original Message - From: ensoramanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Carancas Meteorite photosagain! Hi all, I'll try this one more timeposted it once already but folks seem more interested in discussing other peoples arguments than looking at some detailed shots of the actual meteorite. I obtained these photographs from a Bolivian Mineral dealer who seems to have been to the Carancas area and found several kilo's of the meteorite. Not sure exactly if he bought them or collected them near the crater or elsewhere further back down the strewnfield...they look very fresh.. Comparing them with others so far I think they look genuine. I would be glad of anyones comments on this 9.8g fragment. Here they are...hope this post isnt delayed like the others last night!! http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6903.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6902.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6901.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6899.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6898.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6897.jpg http://i117.photobucket.com/albums/o43/LaburnumStudio/DSCN6894.jpg Graham Ensor __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite expedition
Hi everyone, I am writing from an undisclosed location, but will be home tomorrow night from Peru. Robert Ward, Moritz Karl, and myself have been in Carancas for the last 4 days. When I say craphole, Desaguadero is the definition that would come up first! More on that later, we had to get creative today to leave town as the corrupt police had us all staked out all night, including visits to my hotel room last night and at 5 am this morning demanding payment for protection and permision to leave the country. We toured the crater for days, bought and found some nice material, and will post photos in a couple of days. The crater is huge, the meteorite inside must weigh in excess of 4000-5000 kilos. Compared with the 1700 kilogram Jilin main mass which made a crater less than half the size of the Carancas meteorite. Unfortunately, the government of Peru in all it´s wisdom, wants the meteorite to rot in the water, as they see dollar signs in bringing tourists to the crater which in one month will be nothing more than a mudpit as the rains are about to begin. Yesterday we had the entire village present and pumped out the water from the crater, and the locals were about to dig, then at 1 pm, the mayor decided that was enough work for the day, and would let the crater fill with water again, so they could start from scratch again today! The wisdom of the local mayor really impresses me. He felt that 1 hour of labor yesterday was sufficient, and ignored my advice that every day sitting in fetid water was not doing the meteorite any good. All of the meteorite fragments that were blown out of the crater have been sold off to people, and taken by locals, very little is there, mostly crumbs and dust. We got some nice pieces, all pristine, not rusted crap, and I will offer some for sale when I get home. The meteorite is a high-metal chondrite, highly brecciated, and most fragments have shock veins on the outside, where they broke apart, at first we thought that it was strange fusion crust, then realized that they black crust is actully shock vein where the clasts seperated. More later, we are tired, and have been travling the dangerous Peruvian roads all day. I will add more to the story soon, but rest assured, the meteorite is mostly lost/rotted away because the people from the universities in Peru are clueless. We had a meeting/interrigation at police headquarters for some hours last night, and it seems that they know more about meteorite than I do. IE, they are dangerous, they are contaminated, they bring diseases, they kill livestock and poison the village water. Thus it cant be dug up! Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
I have sent someone to Peru and pieces are enroute to Tucson. It seems that the crater has been partially filled in due to heavy rain, and the police have cordoned off the entire area. The brilliant scientific minds in Peru want the crater preserved as a tourist attraction and for later study. The majority of the meteorite is entombed in the mud under meters of water, and they want it left that way! What is the world coming to, when a mudpit needs to be preserved, and the rock from space that made it is rotting away in dirty water? They seem to think that the mudhole (which after a few more rains will no longer exist) is the most amazing thing about this fall, and the meteorite fragments they recovered is enough, the rest can rot away. It is too bad that Peru's first fall will mostly be lost to the mud and tourists who have carried everything else off. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite
Seriously? That would be a disaster! Cause it could be the largest stone fall ever observed. Remember Jilin, the 1.7t main mass, which felt in soft ground, just made a hole of only 2m diameter (and a tunnel of 6m length). And in Peru we have such huge hole! An iron could survive in the mud, but a chondrite indeed would rot rapidely. Aren't there any universitary specialists with diploma and authority here on the list, who could contact their colleagues in Peru to convince them, that it's highly necessary to dig that chunk up? What a loss for science, what a loss for Peru! -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Michael Farmer Gesendet: Freitag, 28. September 2007 15:00 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: [meteorite-list] Carancas meteorite I have sent someone to Peru and pieces are enroute to Tucson. It seems that the crater has been partially filled in due to heavy rain, and the police have cordoned off the entire area. The brilliant scientific minds in Peru want the crater preserved as a tourist attraction and for later study. The majority of the meteorite is entombed in the mud under meters of water, and they want it left that way! What is the world coming to, when a mudpit needs to be preserved, and the rock from space that made it is rotting away in dirty water? They seem to think that the mudhole (which after a few more rains will no longer exist) is the most amazing thing about this fall, and the meteorite fragments they recovered is enough, the rest can rot away. It is too bad that Peru's first fall will mostly be lost to the mud and tourists who have carried everything else off. Michael Farmer __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] CARANCAS METEORITE VIDEO
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nGOz3yy3Fs Shows the crater. Shows the crater fuming at one margin. Shows rooves just covered with many little rocks. Shows the little flat rocks. This one has a really painful sound track, lots of photo manipulation, but one good shot of the little flat rocks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAoizLPfvik Pretty sure the little flat rocks are local stone blasted out of the crater/pit Sterling K. Webb __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
