[meteorite-list] Allende slices selling for $35 to $50. Why?

[Paul Swartz via Meteorite-list]

Heritage also has some auctions marked as "no reserve" but they carry a minimum 
bid. Go figure!

Paul Swartz
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende slices selling for $35 to $50. Why?

[Michael Mulgrew via Meteorite-list]

Neither, it's because it's a Heritage Auctions auction.

Michael in so. Cal.
IMCA #3963

On Thu, Oct 1, 2015 at 4:17 PM, Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list
 wrote:
> Hello Listers
>
> The Heritage Auctions is having an auction in a few days where they will
> be selling some meteorites and I see that some Allende meteorite slices
> are excepted to sell around $35 to $50 per gram. Has the value gone up
> for this meteorite, or is it because of the size and that its a slice.
>
> Link:
> http://fineart.ha.com/itm/nature-and-science/allende-slice-stony-carbonaceous-chondrite-type-iii-pueblito-de-allende-chihuahua-mexico-26-58-n-105-19-w-/a/5234-73152.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515
>
>
> Shawn Alan
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[meteorite-list] Allende slices selling for $35 to $50. Why?

[Shawn Alan via Meteorite-list]

Hello Listers

The Heritage Auctions is having an auction in a few days where they will
be selling some meteorites and I see that some Allende meteorite slices
are excepted to sell around $35 to $50 per gram. Has the value gone up
for this meteorite, or is it because of the size and that its a slice. 

Link:
http://fineart.ha.com/itm/nature-and-science/allende-slice-stony-carbonaceous-chondrite-type-iii-pueblito-de-allende-chihuahua-mexico-26-58-n-105-19-w-/a/5234-73152.s?ic4=ListView-ShortDescription-071515


Shawn Alan
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Website http://meteoritefalls.com 

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[meteorite-list] Allende

[Chris Spratt]

Hi all:

Be on the lookout for a stolen Allende stone weighing 636 grams. 
Reported missing from University of Alberta Collection. Has a label
reading A49-6369. Contact either myself or Dr. Chris Herd (University of 
Alberta).   A case file has been opened the by Edmonton Police.



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Victoria, BC
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[meteorite-list] Allende meteorite yields material previously unknown to science

[info]

Hi all,

Interesting news reported today from Caltech regarding research on the
1969 Allende meteorite:

Scientists have discovered a new mineral embedded in a meteorite that
fell to Earth over 40 years ago, and it could be among the oldest
minerals, formed in the early days of our solar system. The mineral is a
type of titanium oxide and has been named panguite, after Pan Gu, the
giant from ancient Chinese mythology who established the world by
separating yin from yang to create the Earth and the sky.

Full article is here:
http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2012/0627/1969-meteorite-yields-material-previously-unknown-to-science


Best regards,
Daniel

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende Meteorite and Pancho Villa's Beautiful Saddle sold for a record in Mesa, Arizona last week.

[Brian Cox]

To Mexico Doug and list,

Speaking of Allende and Pancho Villa, here is a link to his beautiful saddle
that sold in Mesa, AZ last week for $718,000.00 US Dollars and it gives a
little history about Pancho and how he was honored by both America and
Mexico and how his head was stolen from his grave and has never been found.

All the best to the list and Mexico Doug, and to the memory of Pancho Villa

http://www.kovels.com/201202069584/Latest-News/big-newshistoric-saddle-sells-for-world-record-price.html?utm_source=Listrakutm_medium=Emailutm_term=http%3a%2f%2fwww.kovels.com%2f201202069584%2fLatest-News%2fbig-newshistoric-saddle-sells-for-world-record-price.htmlutm_campaign=Kovels+Komments+%5bFebruary+8%2c+2012%5d%3a+Historic+Saddle+Sells+for+World+Record+Price 


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[meteorite-list] Allende, the one and only

[MexicoDoug]

Dear List,

Just to take a moment to appreciate the anniversary of incredible 
Allende event.  Allende actually hammered Pancho Villa's old stronghold 
from where he lorded over all of Northern Mexico - a huge territory 
larger than most European countries  what are the odds?  Fun with 
numbers ... the heavy artillery CV3 happened 45 years after Villa died 
and Villa himself was assassinated at age of 45 (in Chihuahua City).


Viva Allende ! etc., etc.

Kindest wishes
Doug
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the one and only

[cdtucson]

Doug,
Actually, Poncho Villa was shot and killed in his car in the city of Parrel, 
Chih, Mexico. I have been to his museum there. At that time his car was still 
on display in situ where it crashed into the tree it hit upon his death. Same 
local as the museum. 
ET has some amazing specimens of Allende at the Tucson show if anyone needs 
any. 
Carl
meteoritemax

--
Cheers

 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: 
 Dear List,
 
 Just to take a moment to appreciate the anniversary of incredible 
 Allende event.  Allende actually hammered Pancho Villa's old stronghold 
  from where he lorded over all of Northern Mexico - a huge territory 
 larger than most European countries  what are the odds?  Fun with 
 numbers ... the heavy artillery CV3 happened 45 years after Villa died 
 and Villa himself was assassinated at age of 45 (in Chihuahua City).
 
 Viva Allende ! etc., etc.
 
 Kindest wishes
 Doug
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the one and only

[MexicoDoug]

Carl wrote:

Actually, Poncho Villa was shot and killed in his car in the city of 
Parrel,


Yes, you are 100% right about *pancho* short for Francisco - is a 
Poncho what they wear in Peru? ;-)


..and I I knew it was Parral but had meteorites on my mind when I wrote 
Chihuahua City, sorry, it was 6:30AM and I still hadn't made it to bed 
but had and Allende impulse moment I so charmed by the meteorite.


As my Hail Mary, as I've never been to a museum on Villa, let me add 
this which you won't find Googleable:


Pancho Villa's decomposed/petrified skull was removed from his R.I.P. 
body a few years after his death by fussilade.  The head was never 
found.  I have it on several sources that it was thrown in some rocks 
on the Adargas (?) mountains.  Anyway - it's a large iron meteorite 
locality, I believe for a chunk of Chupaderos.


Kindest wishes
Doug

PS Pancho Villa is like Mexico's Elvis.  He, his ghost, and his head, 
and his two dozen plus wives are everywhere and everyone in the north 
is related to him that you meet on some days.  So, we do take these 
things with a grain of salt, but it actually would make sense that the 
head were stashed there.








-Original Message-
From: cdtucson cdtuc...@cox.net
To: Meteorite-list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com; MexicoDoug 
mexicod...@aim.com

Sent: Wed, Feb 8, 2012 10:56 pm
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the one and only


Doug,
Actually, Poncho Villa was shot and killed in his car in the city of 
Parrel,
Chih, Mexico. I have been to his museum there. At that time his car was 
still on
display in situ where it crashed into the tree it hit upon his death. 
Same local

as the museum.
ET has some amazing specimens of Allende at the Tucson show if anyone 
needs any.


Carl
meteoritemax

--
Cheers

 MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote:

Dear List,

Just to take a moment to appreciate the anniversary of incredible
Allende event.  Allende actually hammered Pancho Villa's old 

stronghold

 from where he lorded over all of Northern Mexico - a huge territory
larger than most European countries  what are the odds?  Fun with
numbers ... the heavy artillery CV3 happened 45 years after Villa 

died

and Villa himself was assassinated at age of 45 (in Chihuahua City).

Viva Allende ! etc., etc.

Kindest wishes
Doug
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[meteorite-list] Allende Thin Section for sale...

[Ruben Garcia]

on eBay - ending within the hour

http://www.ebay.com/sch/mr-meteorite/m.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C66%253A1%257C39%253A6%257C72%253A5656rt=nc_ipg=48_trksid=p3911.c0.m14.l1514

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[M come Meteorite]

 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, 
which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my Allende 
for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to buy at the 
price they did.

Matteo
 
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Cc: 
Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!


 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been 
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. 
 But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram 
 slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in 
 Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it 
 might be smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and 
 might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay 
 for science and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan 
 IMCA 1633 
 eBay story 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Yinan Wang]

They're not scams... People who can afford it will pay what they want. 

Who has the right to set prices? We all do, but it's the buyer who decides what 
they're willing to pay.

- yinan


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite i...@mcomemeteorite.it wrote:

 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, 
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my 
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to 
 buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
 Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 A: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: 
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been 
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes 
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction 
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its 
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market 
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The 
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there 
 is MasterCard :) 
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan 
 IMCA 1633 
 eBay story 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi, 

I don't understand your intemperance.  The suggestion that auctions are 
inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at auctionsand 
objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes the market.  

Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that 
resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in 
meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters.  As 
I said previously, Allende was an anomaly. 





On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote:

 
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices, 
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my 
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want to 
 buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
 Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 A: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc: 
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been 
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes 
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction 
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its 
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market 
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The 
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there 
 is MasterCard :) 
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan 
 IMCA 1633 
 eBay story 
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi, 

Agreed on all countsexcept that Tatahouine (which is indeed a great 
meteorite) has some pretty good company.;-)



On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

 Hi Darryl and List,
 
 It's not that Allende isn't worth $40 a gram, but the TKW is so large
 that it's hard to justify paying that much for it when the market is
 flush with quality specimens.  We've been trained to think that
 Allende is a bargain and so it is.
 
 Another good example is Tatahouine - probably the world's most
 undervalued meteorite.  It is a witnessed fall diogenite of exquisite
 beauty that has no parallel on the market, yet it regularly sells for
 $10/g or less.
 
 Then we see recent ordinary chondrite falls selling for $50-$80/g
 because of marketing - go figure?
 
 The one thing I have learned in my time of collecting (and dealing)
 meteorites is this - there is no rhyme or reason to the meteorite
 market.  She is a fickle mistress.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 -- 
 *
 
 Galactic Stone  Ironworks - Meteorites  Amber (Michael Gilmer)
 
 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook -  http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 
 ***
 
 
 On 12/13/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't understand your intemperance.  The suggestion that auctions are
 inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at
 auctionsand objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes
 the market.
 
 Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that
 resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in
 meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters.
 As I said previously, Allende was an anomaly.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote:
 
 
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices,
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want
 to buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
 M come Meteorite Meteoriti
 i...@mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.it
 http://www.mcomemeteorite.eu
 Mindat Gallery
 http://www.mindat.org/gallery-5018.html
 ChinellatoPhoto Servizi Fotografici
 http://www.chinellatophoto.com
 
 
 
 Da: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com
 A: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
 Cc:
 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a
 gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for
 its value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the
 market trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a
 gram. The price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything
 else, there is MasterCard :)
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Greg Stanley]

Anything is worth what someone is willing to pay.

Greg S

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 13, 2011, at 2:13 PM, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:

 
 
 Hi, 
 
 Agreed on all countsexcept that Tatahouine (which is indeed a great 
 meteorite) has some pretty good company.;-)
 
 
 
 On Dec 13, 2011, at 5:05 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:
 
 Hi Darryl and List,
 
 It's not that Allende isn't worth $40 a gram, but the TKW is so large
 that it's hard to justify paying that much for it when the market is
 flush with quality specimens.  We've been trained to think that
 Allende is a bargain and so it is.
 
 Another good example is Tatahouine - probably the world's most
 undervalued meteorite.  It is a witnessed fall diogenite of exquisite
 beauty that has no parallel on the market, yet it regularly sells for
 $10/g or less.
 
 Then we see recent ordinary chondrite falls selling for $50-$80/g
 because of marketing - go figure?
 
 The one thing I have learned in my time of collecting (and dealing)
 meteorites is this - there is no rhyme or reason to the meteorite
 market.  She is a fickle mistress.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 -- 
 *
 
 Galactic Stone  Ironworks - Meteorites  Amber (Michael Gilmer)
 
 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
 Facebook -  http://tinyurl.com/42h79my
 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone
 
 ***
 
 
 On 12/13/11, Darryl Pitt dar...@dof3.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I don't understand your intemperance.  The suggestion that auctions are
 inherently scams is bewildering. There are deals to be found at
 auctionsand objects zealously fought over; an auction house merely makes
 the market.
 
 Please also consider it was the traditional auctions in the mid-90s that
 resulted in an avalanche of media that created a burst of interest in
 meteorites---which was among the catalysts to a new generation of hunters.
 As I said previously, Allende was an anomaly.
 
 
 
 
 
 On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:52 PM, M come Meteorite wrote:
 
 
 This shows how the big auctions are only scams legalized to raise prices,
 which are meteorites or paintings or photographs. Tomorrow I propose my
 Allende for $ 40/gr to the same auction house and see if they really want
 to buy at the price they did.
 
 Matteo
 
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 Data: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 12:42:37 -0800 (PST)
 Oggetto: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a
 gram!!!
 
 
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a
 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for
 its value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the
 market trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a
 gram. The price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything
 else, there is MasterCard :)
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
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[meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Listers

Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been around 
$10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. But now, 
it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram 
slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in Lo 
Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it might 
be smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and might 
have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay for 
science and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html   
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[meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Shawn Alan]

Message body
 Hello Listers

Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been around 
$10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. But now, 
it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram slice, 
selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in Lo Ang, 
California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it might be 
smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and might have 
to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay for science 
and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Darryl Pitt]

Hi, 

After having curated the sale of more than 1000 specimens in traditional 
auctions since having introduced the auction of meteorites in the mid 90s, I 
can tell you Mike is 100% correct.  There are trends, and there are 
aberrations---and this is an example of the latter.  That is,..for now.   ;-)   
 And please don't forget my price received on the Allende is a chunk lower than 
might otherwise be imagined as I also have to pay a nice chunk to the house. 

d,



On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:28 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks wrote:

 Hi Shawn and List,
 
 The piece in the auction has King collection provenance, but that does
 not explain the high closing price.  I think this result may be an
 anomaly and not indicative of a major shift in market prices.
 
 Every now and then, these big auction houses will produce some unusual
 results.  On occasion, we will see valuable pieces sell for steep
 discounts or fail to meet a reasonable reserve.  In any case, the
 marketplace as a whole rarely follows suit.  If anything, eBay is a
 more reliable yardstick for the market than Bonhams, and even that is
 not definitive.
 
 Consider this - the closing bid is very high, but the buyer also paid
 a premium and shipping expenses.  With these extra costs figured in,
 the price is even more astronomical.
 
 Best regards,
 
 MikeG
 
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 On 12/12/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello Listers
 
 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on
 a 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there
 is MasterCard :)
 
 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/
 
 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Graham Ensor]

In my experience at the big public auctions the smaller exotic items
nearly always seem to go for lot more than the market
price...especially Lunar meteorites. The only good deals are usually
the larger museum quality pieces if you are lucky enough to find one
without a high reserve and have deep pockets.

Graham, UK

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 9:28 PM, Galactic Stone  Ironworks
meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi Shawn and List,

 The piece in the auction has King collection provenance, but that does
 not explain the high closing price.  I think this result may be an
 anomaly and not indicative of a major shift in market prices.

 Every now and then, these big auction houses will produce some unusual
 results.  On occasion, we will see valuable pieces sell for steep
 discounts or fail to meet a reasonable reserve.  In any case, the
 marketplace as a whole rarely follows suit.  If anything, eBay is a
 more reliable yardstick for the market than Bonhams, and even that is
 not definitive.

 Consider this - the closing bid is very high, but the buyer also paid
 a premium and shipping expenses.  With these extra costs figured in,
 the price is even more astronomical.

 Best regards,

 MikeG

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 Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com
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 News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516
 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone

 ***

 On 12/12/11, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello Listers

 Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been
 around $10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes
 from. But now, it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on
 a 23gram slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction
 yesterday in Lo Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its
 value and it might be smart to get your hands on some before the market
 trend follows and might have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The
 price you have to pay for science and space, but for everything else, there
 is MasterCard :)

 http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

 Shawn Alan
 IMCA 1633
 eBay story
 http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Chris Spratt]

Gee I hope so! I could  then sell a couple of pieces of mine so I can   
pay my dog's vet bills!


Chris Spratt
Victoria, BC
(Via my iPhone)
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Shawn Alan]

Hello Listers,

I think Michael Farmer made a good point and it seems his post didnt make it on 
here yet. This is what he said

Allende is one of the most important meteorites on the planet. Extremely 
undervalued due to the sheer amount which fell. Try getting it today. Not easy.

I second that and with over 100's of research articles written on Allende, the 
discovery of CAI's, and that the oldest material found in the solar system was 
found from within Allende. This could be a fluke or could be a trend with 
Allende. Who knows but all I can say is get it while it is still around for a 
good price :) cause times could be changing.

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
eBay story 
http://www.ebay.com/sch/ph0t0phl0w/m.html



From: Michael Farmer m...@meteoriteguy.com
To: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com; Meteorite Central 
meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 8:38 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!


Allende is one of the most important meteorites on the planet. Extremely 
undervalued due to the sheer amount which fell. Try getting it today. Not easy.



From: Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com
To: Meteorite Central meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:42 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

Hello Listers

Now I know Allende has always had a stable value per gram which has been around 
$10 to $12 a gram depending on the market or collection it comes from. But now, 
it seems that the value has jumped up for one auction on a 23gram 
slice, selling for $1000 at the Natural History Bonhams auction yesterday in Lo 
Ang, California. So it seems Allende is making a run for its value and it might 
be smart to get your hands on some before the market trend follows and might 
have to pay a new value of around $40 a gram. The price you have to pay for 
science and space, but for everything else, there is MasterCard :) 

http://www.bonhams.com/eur/auction/19429/lot/1097/

Shawn Alan 
IMCA 1633 
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende meteorite selling for around $40 a gram!!!

[Doug Ross]

Hi Shawn,

I attended the Bonham's auction yesterday, and I was indeed shocked by the 
bidding war over that Allende piece.  On the other hand, I was equally shocked 
by the many other meteorites which went unsold, despite low starting bids in 
some cases.  A 910mg slice of lunar Dhofar 1180 didn't even attract any bids, 
starting at $500!  I should have bought that one

Darryl and Mike are right, these results must be aberrations.  I am often 
mystified by auction house sale results, both high and low.  Considering the 
typical 25% buyer's premium (+10% CA sales tax in this case), I don't see how 
such auctions can offer customers consistent value.  We all like to complain 
about ebay, but by comparison, traditional auction houses just don't look 
competitive to me at all.

Doug Ross

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?

[E.P. Grondine]

Hi all - 

The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I thought 
that Allende's parent body was cometary. 

If so, shouldn't the headline read: Comets found to have hard centers?

Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids?

E.P. Grondine
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?

[Chris Peterson]

There is no particularly good reason to think that Allende (or any other 
meteorite) is cometary in origin.


Chris

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On 4/15/2011 5:04 PM, E.P. Grondine wrote:

Hi all -

The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I thought 
that Allende's parent body was cometary.

If so, shouldn't the headline read: Comets found to have hard centers?

Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids?

E.P. Grondine

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende parent body?

[Mark's Meteorites]

*shameless plug* 

I've just added an article on Tunguska to my site:

http://historicfalls.com/2011/04/15/tunguska/

I know it's a slight cheat, not actually being an actual witnessed fall, but 
hey... What's the current thinking on the status of the impactor? Comet or 
Asteroid?

It goes without saying that IMHO,  ET's zapping us from 61 Cygni is not the 
likeliest answer...!

Marko

On 16 Apr 2011, at 00:28, Chris Peterson wrote:

 There is no particularly good reason to think that Allende (or any other 
 meteorite) is cometary in origin.
 
 Chris
 
 ***
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 Cloudbait Observatory
 http://www.cloudbait.com
 
 On 4/15/2011 5:04 PM, E.P. Grondine wrote:
 Hi all -
 
 The work on magnetism in meteorite parent bodies is interesting, but I 
 thought that Allende's parent body was cometary.
 
 If so, shouldn't the headline read: Comets found to have hard centers?
 
 Or is this part of NASA's plan to have comets declared to be asteroids?
 
 E.P. Grondine
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[meteorite-list] Allende page update (historic specimens)

[The Tricottet Collection]

Some of you may be interested by this link: 
http://www.thetricottetcollection.com/met_allende.html

With circumstances of the fall and description of the stones in collection.

Arnaud


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(Historic Minerals, Fossils  Meteorites)
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[meteorite-list] Allende smells like lime?

[Melanie Matthews]

Hey list. 
Yesterday I got an nice chunk of Allende from Big Kahuna Meteorites. Is it me, 
or does this meteorite have an aroma reminiscent of lime? 


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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende smells like lime?

[LITIG8NSHARK]

Actually, a petrified slice of lime looks surprisingly similar to  Allende. 
 Either that, or he was doing tequila shots with lime as he was  packaging 
your specimen.  LOL

Paul
Savannah, GA

In a message dated 7/24/2010 1:08:35 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca writes:
Hey list. 
Yesterday I got  an nice chunk of Allende from Big Kahuna Meteorites. Is it 
me, 
or does this  meteorite have an aroma reminiscent of lime?  


---
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known  on SkyRock Cafe as  SpaceCollector09



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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende smells like lime?

[Melanie Matthews]

Well, according to Gary Allende has a distinct smell to it, i asked him what he 
could compare it to - seems he wasn't sure. One of the reasons I bought it was 
to find out what it smells like.. I stuck my nose into the baglet it came in 
with the meteorite inside, and sniffed away... noticed a scent that reminds me 
of that lime flavored powder used to make drinks (margarita perhaps). 


Actually, a petrified slice of lime looks surprisingly similar to  Allende.

Really? 

 ---
-Melanie
IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known on SkyRock Cafe as SpaceCollector09



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From: litig8nsh...@aol.com litig8nsh...@aol.com
To: miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Fri, July 23, 2010 10:14:47 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende smells like lime?

Actually, a petrified slice of lime looks surprisingly similar to  Allende. 
Either that, or he was doing tequila shots with lime as he was  packaging 
your specimen.  LOL

Paul
Savannah, GA

In a message dated 7/24/2010 1:08:35 A.M. Eastern  Daylight Time, 
miss_meteor...@yahoo.ca writes:
Hey list. 
Yesterday I got  an nice chunk of Allende from Big Kahuna Meteorites. Is it 
me, 
or does this  meteorite have an aroma reminiscent of lime?  


---
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IMCA: 2975
eBay: metmel2775
Known  on SkyRock Cafe as  SpaceCollector09



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[meteorite-list] Allende and a new mineral called Tistarite......

[Shawn Alan]

Hello List,



A couple weeks ago I came across a letter on the internet published in the 
American Mineralogist, Vol 94, pages 841-844, 2009 (here is a link to the 
letter http://www.its.caltech.edu/~chima/publications/2009_AM_tistarite.pdf ) 
and the topic was about a new mineral found in Allende, called Tistarite.

 

Last month I purchased an Allende meteorite and since then been fascinated by 
the thought that Allende is older then dirt, to be more exacted, 4.57 billion 
years old. And to top it off, Allende has traces of nanodiamonds from near by 
supernovas, making the fine-grain microscopic particles older then our solar 
system.

 

Now in 2009 from American Mineralogist I read that scientists have found a new 
mineral only present in Allende meteorite, which is called Tistarite. My 
question is how will this new mineral impact Allende meteorite in the science 
and meteorite communities and what significance will it have on future 
discoveries for new minerals?

 

Thank you
Shawn Alan
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende and a new mineral called Tistarite......

[Dark Matter]

Hi Shawn,

I doubt it will change the value of Allende, but it is one of the
cooler new names for a discovery:

The mineral is named after the composition Ti and the word star,
implying that this new refractory mineral is among the first solids
formed in the solar system.

-Martin


On Sat, Jan 16, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Shawn Alan photoph...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Hello List,



 A couple weeks ago I came across a letter on the internet published in the 
 American Mineralogist, Vol 94, pages 841-844, 2009 (here is a link to the 
 letter http://www.its.caltech.edu/~chima/publications/2009_AM_tistarite.pdf ) 
 and the topic was about a new mineral found in Allende, called Tistarite.



 Last month I purchased an Allende meteorite and since then been fascinated by 
 the thought that Allende is older then dirt, to be more exacted, 4.57 billion 
 years old. And to top it off, Allende has traces of nanodiamonds from near by 
 supernovas, making the fine-grain microscopic particles older then our solar 
 system.



 Now in 2009 from American Mineralogist I read that scientists have found a 
 new mineral only present in Allende meteorite, which is called Tistarite. My 
 question is how will this new mineral impact Allende meteorite in the science 
 and meteorite communities and what significance will it have on future 
 discoveries for new minerals?



 Thank you
 Shawn Alan
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[meteorite-list] Allende complete slice, Claxton huge slice, Bonita Springs part slice, etc. AD

[Dave Gheesling]

All,

Harlan still can't get his Yahoo address to post, so here's his ad for the
week.  Some quality material here and most definitely worth a look:

http://shop.ebay.com/retro_florida/m.html?trksid=p3686
  
If you have any questions or offers, please contact Harlan at:
bigpineartifa...@yahoo.com

All best,

Dave Gheesling
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[meteorite-list] allende individual

[mckinney trammell]

allende individual has  one hour left on ebay. 
http://cgi.ebay.com/25-5G-ALLENDE-CARBONACEOUS-meteorite-69fall_W0QQitemZ290287293945QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3239QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
 


  
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[meteorite-list] Allende wanted

[Dieter Heinlein]

I wish to buy a larger quantity of ALLENDE, Mexico CV3 meteorite, 
preferably rough pieces.  Fast payment is guaranteed!


Please send sensible offers directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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[meteorite-list] Allende junk needed

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

I have to find a junk of Allende for a my client where he
have to build a sphera of 4 cm. diameter. Any of you have
one?

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[meteorite-list] allende up close,REAL close

[steve arnold]

Good morning list.I took my 77 gram allende slice and
put it under a microscope.What a wonder to see.This
piece has alot of small cai's and next to them are
lots of small crater like drop off's.Almost crystal
like.Truly a remarkable meteorite.Also when polished,a
cai universe.

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[meteorite-list] Allende inclusions

[Peter Marmet]

Hello All,

I'm in the process of updating and rearranging my Web page:

http://www.marmet-meteorites.com/

At the bottom of the Home page is a text and a few picts of the Allende
meteorite. One slice shows a lot of different inclusions.
I'm really not an expert concerning those inclusions, so any help,  
corrections and

comments are highly appreciated:-)

Peter

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[meteorite-list] Allende - Rosetta Stone

[bernd . pauli]

Fred Olsen writes:

I recall but can't give the exact source that the Allende meteorite was 
described as the Rosetta stone for the solar system. This was maybe 
twenty or more years ago. Allende my first and still favorite meteorite!

Hi Fred and List,

B. Mason (1975) The Allende meteorite - Cosmochemistry's
R o s e t t a   S t o n e ? (Accts. Chem.Res. 8, 217-224).

Best wishes,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] allende trade

[steve arnold]

Hi list.Oh well the bears lost,life goes on.I have a
47 gram individual of ALLENDE for trade with alot of
nice crust and contraction cracks.I am looking for a
nice BENSOUR individual.Off list please.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
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[meteorite-list] allende

[steve arnold]

Hey list.Any one have any allende  forsale for between
$350 and $400.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] allende

[M come Meteorite Meteorites]

oh yes a nice complete 77 gr. fusion crusted slice

Matteo

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scritto:

 Hey list.Any one have any allende  forsale for
 between
 $350 and $400.
 
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Re: [meteorite-list] allende

[Andreas Gren]

Per gram?


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Hey list.Any one have any allende  forsale for between
$350 and $400.

Steve R.Arnold,chicago,Ill,Usa!!
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Re: [meteorite-list] allende

[Dave Carothers]

Steve,

I purchased an beautiful slice of Allende from Anne Black at a very good 
price.  Check with her

Dave

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 Hey list.Any one have any allende  forsale for between
 $350 and $400.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende inclusion mystery

[Fred Caillou Noir]

Hi Dave and All,

Should you talk about the long 'inclusion' in the ~ center of the crossed 
section (from top almost down to bottom), to me it looks like a clast... 
Strange shape for a clast I admit as they usually are angular and this one is 
not really. But as it contains chondrules I think it is.
A more scientific opinion should be necessary to have a better idea of what it 
is as I have not seen anything like that before in Allende as well.
Just my 2 cents,

Frederic

- Original Message - 
From: Dave Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: metlist meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 17, 2006 10:45 PM
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende inclusion mystery


 Hi folks,
 
 Pictured at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/inclusion.jpg
 is a slice of Allende weighing in a 5g - (ie FOV about 2-3cms across)
 
 Can anyone shed any light onto the odd inclusion? melt pocket? petrology? or
 whatever. it's bugging me as I haven't seen this type of inclusion in
 any of my Allende bits and pieces around the house!
 
 thanks!
 
 dave
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[meteorite-list] Allende inclusion mystery

[Dave Harris]

Hi folks,

Pictured at http://homepage.ntlworld.com/entropydave/inclusion.jpg
is a slice of Allende weighing in a 5g - (ie FOV about 2-3cms across)

Can anyone shed any light onto the odd inclusion? melt pocket? petrology? or
whatever. it's bugging me as I haven't seen this type of inclusion in
any of my Allende bits and pieces around the house!

thanks!

dave
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[meteorite-list] Allende

[Lars Pedersen]

HI

This is not fair I know.

But I will do it anyway.. and may condemm me if you wish...

Does anyone have a (quite)large Allende individual for,sale that they are
willing to make a special deal with me 


I can pay.. but only over some time.

Please contact me offline.


:-)
Lars

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RE: [meteorite-list] Allende

[Pete Pete]

ha! ha! ha!


From: Lars Pedersen [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 19:28:52 +0200

HI

This is not fair I know.

But I will do it anyway.. and may condemm me if you wish...

Does anyone have a (quite)large Allende individual for,sale that they are
willing to make a special deal with me 


I can pay.. but only over some time.

Please contact me offline.


:-)
Lars

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Re-2: [meteorite-list] Allende

[bernd . pauli]

Sincere, humble apology, Lars, I've been made aware
of your situation. (How could I have known?) I would
help, if I could. Pete

Hi Lars, Pete, and List,

Pete, my hat (though I never wear hats) is off
to you for your prompt and immediate apology!

 I would help, if I could. Pete

You can, we can. If, and I suppose, the person who made you aware of
Lars' situation, is the one I am thinking of, well, if (s)he is willing
to coordinate donations again, and there are more than 500 list members,
.. I would be willing to donate $10 for an appreciable Allende slice.

Appreciable ... ? 500 x 10 = $5,000. This would be one big slice for
Lars, bigger than any Allende I own. Even if only 100 list members were
willing to donate, say $5.00 or $2.00, the slice, Lars would get would still
be something out of this world. Any comments? No, no comments, please!
Donate or don't. Christmas is ante portas ;-) Lars, you just overlook this
mail, will, you!

And if the person who made Pete aware of Lars' situation is out
there, (s)he will surely let you know in private how to contact
him/her.


Best regards,

Bernd

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Allende grande

[Matt Morgan]

If anyone is interested in a 3.5kg and 10kg Allende whole stones, please 
email me.

Thanks

--

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[meteorite-list] Allende inclusion help!!!

[Tom Knudson]

Hey List, this Allende has an inclusion and I really would like to know what
it is so I am sending this ebay link, not to show you this neat meteorite,
but to try to find out what you all think this inclusion could be, I am
dieing of curiosity!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6523135359;
rd=1

Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende inclusion help!!!

[McCartney Taylor]

LOL.  Thats my ebay ad!  

The dark inclusion is refered to by Smithsonian's The Allende, 
Mexico meteor Shower, (Smithsonian Contributions to Earth 
Sciences -1970 no5 - They even show one on page 32) as a Dark 
Inclusion.  Yep, them Yankee scientists get awefully technical.

In the booklet, they show the composition of the Dark inclusion as 
showing higher than average FeO,  and NiS.  And half the average 
FeS.  Still, I have no idea what the real mineralogy is...

All I know is I recovered it on my 2002 expedition to Chihuahua.

-mt
 On 3 Apr 2005 at 10:09, Tom Knudson wrote:

 Hey List, this Allende has an inclusion and I really would like to know what
 it is so I am sending this ebay link, not to show you this neat meteorite,
   but to try to find out what you all think this inclusion could be, I am
   dieing of curiosity!
  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3
239item=6523135359
   rd=1
  Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende inclusion help!!!

[bernd . pauli]

Hi Tom, McCartneyTaylor, and List,

 Hey List, this Allende has an inclusion and I really would like to know
 what it is so I am sending this ebay link, not to show you this neat
 meteorite, but to try to find out what you all think this inclusion could
 be, I am dieing of curiosity!

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemcategory=3239item=6523135359;
 rd=1

It is either a carbonaceous inclusion, a CO3 - a CO3 carbonaceous chondrite
within a CV3 carbonaceous chondrite. Maybe you remember the piece that the
Hupes offered on EBay until a few days ago and/or the pieces Eric Olson sold
in February/March 2004.

.. or, as McCartneyTaylor just wrote: an Allende dark inclusion.

 Still, I have no idea what the real mineralogy is...

HEYMANN D. et al. (1987) Carbon in dark inclusions of the
Allende meteorite (Meteoritics 22, 1987, 3-15, excerpt, p.3):

Dark inclusions (DI's) are among the major petrographic components of the
Allende meteorite; the others being: a fine-grained matrix of predominantly
olivine, chondrules, and irregular inclusions. DI's have also been called fine-
grained xenoliths. Their dimensions can be millimeters, and even centimeters.

The larger DI's can usually be recognized easily on cut surfaces of the Allende
meteorite because they appear darker than their surrounding areas, and are
often poor in chondrules or large irregular inclusions.

Fruland, Clanton, and Walton (1977) recognized three types of DI's:

(1) a black fine-grained matrix with few clasts and rare chondrules,
(2) a discontinuous, black, fine-grained matrix with abundant clasts
and chondrules, and
(3) densely packed clasts and chondrules with a small percentage
of discontinuous interstitial matrix.

Fruland (1978) reports SEM petrography on two lensoidal DI's: both display
sharp boundaries with the lighter Allende matrix; one has an approximately
60 µm wide, but discontinuous rim of Ca-rich silicates. Fruland notes that
these two DI's *consist primarily of silicates, metal, and sulfides*, with
grain sizes up to about 40 µm; hence, *coarser than matrix*. Fruland also
notes: Many clasts have a *dark 'accretionary' halo*.


Best wishes,

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[meteorite-list] allende minerals?!

[harlan trammell]

just exactly what IS allende made of? i know its carbon compounds, yea, yea, yea... but what ARE the primary minerals?
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[meteorite-list] Allende minerals?!

[bernd . pauli]

Harlan wrote:

 just exactly what IS allende made of? i know its carbon compounds,
 yea, yea, yea... but what ARE the primary minerals?

Just to name a few of them:

melilite
spinel
perovskite
pyroxene
anorthite
olivine

Bernd (not a primary mineral though :-)


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RE: [meteorite-list] allende minerals?!

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thanks!
i will be gradually switching over to yahoo mail (it has 100 FREE megs of storage). please cc to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "MARK BOSTICK" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] allende minerals?! Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:19:35 -0600  Harlan asked, "just exactly what IS allende made of?"  From: Smithsonian Contributions to the Earth Sciences SCES-5, The Allende, Mexico, Meteorite Shower  Roy S. Clarke, Jr., Eugene Jarosewich, Brian Mason, Joseph Nelen, Manuel Gomez and Jack R. Hyde Issue Date: February 17, 1971   "Chemical and mineralogical compositions establish that Allende is a Type III carbonaceous chondrite. Three distinct components can be recognized: finegrained 
black matrix (~60%), chondrules (~30%), and irregular white aggregates (~10%). The matrix consists almost entirely of iron-rich olivine (average 50% Fe2SiO4), with minor amounts of troilite, pentlandite, and taenite, rendered opaque by dispersed carbonaceous material. Most of the chondrules are magnesium-rich, and consist of olivine (average 9% Fe2SiO4) with minor amounts of clinoenstatite and some glass; a few chondrules are rich in calcium and aluminum, and are made up largely of anorthite, gehlenite, augite, and spinel. The irregular aggregates are also rich in calcium and aluminum, and contain anorthite, gehlenite, augite, spinel, nepheline, grossular, and sodalite (the last two minerals have not previously been recorded from meteorites). Complete chemical analyses have been made of the bulk meteorite, a dark inclusion, the matrix, 
a chondrule concentrate, two individual chondrules, and a single aggregate."   Clear Skies, Mark Bostick Wichita, Kansas www.meteoritearticles.com www.kansasmeteoritesociety.com www.imca.cc   text2.html  

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[meteorite-list] Allende drug update

[Tom Knudson]

Hello List, I am guessing that the Amino acids in Allende are the
responsible ingredient in Allende, for my better than normal mood that day.
Check out this link.

http://www.vitaminusa.com/5200mg60vcno.html

Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Charlie Devine]

Sterling Wrote:

   I'm sure Lunar agriculture will be big
   business some day.  100% Absolute
   Guaranteed Pollution Free Organic
   Lunar Produce!

Reminds me of the Moon Trees.  

Moon Trees:  http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/moon_tree.html

The search for the missing moon trees:
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/moon_trees_020815.html

As recently as a few years ago, it was still possible to purchase seeds
from second generation moon trees.  Don't know if that's still the case.

-Charlie

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[peterscherff]

Hi,

It still is. Here is the link to buy moon trees
http://www.historictrees.org/produ_ht/moonsycm_cc.htm

Thanks,

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[meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Tom Knudson]

Hello List, serious question here!
 Ever since my divorce, I would describe myself as a pretty miserable
person, always depressed, never happy and always in a mad mood. I love being
married, and fear being alone the rest of my life! My daughter can tell you
how much it sucks to be around me, at least most of the time. We have a
great relationship and have gotten pretty darn close over the last year, but
I am still no fun to be around.
  Anyways, one day she asked what was wrong with me, I asked what do you
mean.  She said I seemed so happy, cheerful. joyful, like I was happy or
something.  I had not noticed, but I was in an unusually good mood and had
no explanation for it, but insured her I would be back to normal soon. That
night, my sinuses where all messed up and I blew my nose ( Sick, I know, but
we all do it) , only to find black!  I knew then, what happened to all the
dust that was flying around when I dry cut an Allende earlier that day.
  I figured my good mood must have come from my snorting a gram or two of
allende dust. With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is
something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?
  Meteorites have always made me happy and when I know I have one on the
way, it gives me something to look forward to, and makes my happy, but not
like Allende Dust 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hey I hope you are happy with I am sending you?
--- Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hello List, serious question here!
  Ever since my divorce, I would describe myself as a pretty miserable
 person, always depressed, never happy and always in a mad mood. I love
 being
 married, and fear being alone the rest of my life! My daughter can tell
 you
 how much it sucks to be around me, at least most of the time. We have a
 great relationship and have gotten pretty darn close over the last year,
 but
 I am still no fun to be around.
   Anyways, one day she asked what was wrong with me, I asked what do
 you
 mean.  She said I seemed so happy, cheerful. joyful, like I was happy
 or
 something.  I had not noticed, but I was in an unusually good mood and
 had
 no explanation for it, but insured her I would be back to normal soon.
 That
 night, my sinuses where all messed up and I blew my nose ( Sick, I know,
 but
 we all do it) , only to find black!  I knew then, what happened to all
 the
 dust that was flying around when I dry cut an Allende earlier that day.
   I figured my good mood must have come from my snorting a gram or two
 of
 allende dust. With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible
 there is
 something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?
   Meteorites have always made me happy and when I know I have one on the
 way, it gives me something to look forward to, and makes my happy, but
 not
 like Allende Dust 
 
 Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Tom Knudson]

so i'm already crushin' some right now

lol, at $7 a gram, it is not cheap, but it's better than NWA 998, I guess!
I hope people don't start snorting away all their profits!

Thanks, Tom
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 dude, my life kinda  sux right now too, so i'm already crushin' some right
now!

 Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello List, serious
question here!
 Ever since my divorce, I would describe myself as a pretty miserable
 person, always depressed, never happy and always in a mad mood. I love
being
 married, and fear being alone the rest of my life! My daughter can tell
you
 how much it sucks to be around me, at least most of the time. We have a
 great relationship and have gotten pretty darn close over the last year,
but
 I am still no fun to be around.
 Anyways, one day she asked what was wrong with me, I asked what do you
 mean. She said I seemed so happy, cheerful. joyful, like I was happy or
 something. I had not noticed, but I was in an unusually good mood and had
 no explanation for it, but insured her I would be back to normal soon.
That
 night, my sinuses where all messed up and I blew my nose ( Sick, I know,
but
 we all do it) , only to find black! I knew then, what happened to all the
 dust that was flying around when I dry cut an Allende earlier that day.
 I figured my good mood must have come from my snorting a gram or two of
 allende dust. With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there
is
 something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?
 Meteorites have always made me happy and when I know I have one on the
 way, it gives me something to look forward to, and makes my happy, but not
 like Allende Dust 

 Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Bob Evans]

Tom,
Im about to cut some large NWA 869's. Should I dump the dust or would you 
like to try snorting that too??

Bob
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From: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: mckinney trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list 
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 3:45 PM
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so i'm already crushin' some right now
lol, at $7 a gram, it is not cheap, but it's better than NWA 998, I guess!
I hope people don't start snorting away all their profits!
Thanks, Tom
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From: mckinney trammell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 2:41 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

dude, my life kinda  sux right now too, so i'm already crushin' some 
right
now!
Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hello List, serious
question here!
Ever since my divorce, I would describe myself as a pretty miserable
person, always depressed, never happy and always in a mad mood. I love
being
married, and fear being alone the rest of my life! My daughter can tell
you
how much it sucks to be around me, at least most of the time. We have a
great relationship and have gotten pretty darn close over the last year,
but
I am still no fun to be around.
Anyways, one day she asked what was wrong with me, I asked what do you
mean. She said I seemed so happy, cheerful. joyful, like I was happy or
something. I had not noticed, but I was in an unusually good mood and had
no explanation for it, but insured her I would be back to normal soon.
That
night, my sinuses where all messed up and I blew my nose ( Sick, I know,
but
we all do it) , only to find black! I knew then, what happened to all the
dust that was flying around when I dry cut an Allende earlier that day.
I figured my good mood must have come from my snorting a gram or two of
allende dust. With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there
is
something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?
Meteorites have always made me happy and when I know I have one on the
way, it gives me something to look forward to, and makes my happy, but 
not
like Allende Dust 

Thanks, Tom
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Nicholas Gessler]

Send me the dust.
I'm saving it for a rainy day (no, strike that, it's raining).
I'm saving it until I can figure out what to do with it.
Nick Gessler
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low.  The organics in a
carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. Guess it's
just a case of meteorite happiness.  Like substituting meteorite for horse
in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for the inside
of a man.  Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's the
inside of a meteorite is good for...  O, never mind!

Sterling Webb
--
Tom Knudson wrote:

 With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is
 something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?

 Tom


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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[MarkF]

its a holistic thing hehehehehe
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To: Tom Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]; met list 
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?


Hi,
   The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low.  The organics in a
carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. Guess 
it's
just a case of meteorite happiness.  Like substituting meteorite for 
horse
in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for the 
inside
of a man.  Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's 
the
inside of a meteorite is good for...  O, never mind!

Sterling Webb
--
Tom Knudson wrote:
With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is
something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[j . divelbiss]

oh, oh, I got one...   like wow! that Allende stuff is FARout man   can ya 
dig it?  ;\

Tom...have you checked your furnace for CO ?

-- Original message from MarkF [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 
-- 


 its a holistic thing hehehehehe 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Sterling K. Webb 
 To: Tom Knudson ; met list 
 
 Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:45 PM 
 Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005? 
 
 
  Hi, 
  
  The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low. The organics in a 
  carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. Guess 
  it's 
  just a case of meteorite happiness. Like substituting meteorite for 
  horse 
  in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for the 
  inside 
  of a man. Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's 
  the 
  inside of a meteorite is good for... O, never mind! 
  
  Sterling Webb 
  -- 
  Tom Knudson wrote: 
  
  With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is 
  something in there that could work as an anti-depressant? 
  
  Tom 
  
  
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Gerald Flaherty]

OH never mind HA HA HA good
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Hi,
   The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low.  The organics in a
carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. Guess 
it's
just a case of meteorite happiness.  Like substituting meteorite for 
horse
in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for the 
inside
of a man.  Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's 
the
inside of a meteorite is good for...  O, never mind!

Sterling Webb
--
Tom Knudson wrote:
With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is
something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Gerald Flaherty]

Better!!!
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 7:01 PM
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oh, oh, I got one...   like wow! that Allende stuff is FARout man   can 
ya dig it?  ;\

Tom...have you checked your furnace for CO ?
-- Original message from MarkF 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]: -- 


its a holistic thing hehehehehe
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To: Tom Knudson ; met list

Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:45 PM
Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?
 Hi,

 The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low. The organics in a
 carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. 
 Guess
 it's
 just a case of meteorite happiness. Like substituting meteorite for
 horse
 in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for 
 the
 inside
 of a man. Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's
 the
 inside of a meteorite is good for... O, never mind!

 Sterling Webb
 -- 
 Tom Knudson wrote:

 With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is
 something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Gerald Flaherty]

Sorry, over MY head!!
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its a holistic thing hehehehehe
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Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2005 6:45 PM
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Hi,
   The lithium content of meteorites is pretty low.  The organics in a
carbonaceous are too small in molecular weight to be psychoactive. Guess 
it's
just a case of meteorite happiness.  Like substituting meteorite for 
horse
in the famous Ronald Regan quote, The outside of a horse is good for the 
inside
of a man.  Except that it only happens when you cut them, so maybe it's 
the
inside of a meteorite is good for...  O, never mind!

Sterling Webb
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Tom Knudson wrote:
With all the ingredients in Allende, is it possible there is
something in there that could work as an anti-depressant?

Tom

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi,

Got a great idea for what to do with all that meteorite cutting
dust.  There may be a great commercial opportunity here, people.
People pay high prices for organic produce.  People pay high
prices for crystals and mysterious space talismans like broken
Thailand tektites and chips of moldavite.  Why not combine these two
ideas into the niche market gimmick of all time?!
Grow hydroponic vegetables where the minerals and salts that have to
be added to hydroponic tanks is 100% METEORITE DUST, and you have, Yes,
Friends! That's Right! EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORGANIC VEGETABLES Organic
Produce From Outer Space!
What do you think people would pay for Extraterrestrial Tomatoes?!
Since the quantities available would be very small, I think you could
charge pretty much anything you wanted -- $100 per pound (more for Vine
Ripened Extraterrestrial Tomatoes), $200 per pound?
Or maybe I should say -- The Sky's The Limit!

Sterling Webb

Nicholas Gessler wrote:

 Send me the dust.
 I'm saving it for a rainy day (no, strike that, it's raining).
 I'm saving it until I can figure out what to do with it.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:12:09 -0600, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:

Grow hydroponic vegetables where the minerals and salts that have to
be added to hydroponic tanks is 100% METEORITE DUST, and you have, Yes,
Friends! That's Right! EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORGANIC VEGETABLES Organic
Produce From Outer Space!

Actually, that sounds like a really interesting experiment: take a meteorite.  
Pound it to dust.
(Nothing rare, hopefully).  Plant a seed in the dust and water it with 
distilled water.  See if the
seed manages to grow.  I'd like to see that experiment done.  (Maybe even do it 
with more than one
type of stony-- a ordinary chondrite and a carbonaceous, for example).  Heck, 
I'd try it myself with
a small piece of 869, but I don't have the type of equipment I'd need to fully 
powder it.
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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Darren Garrison]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:41:24 -0500, Darren Garrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Actually, that sounds like a really interesting experiment: take a meteorite.  
Pound it to dust.
(Nothing rare, hopefully).  Plant a seed in the dust and water it with 
distilled water.  See if the
seed manages to grow.  I'd like to see that experiment done.  (Maybe even do 
it with more than one
type of stony-- a ordinary chondrite and a carbonaceous, for example).  Heck, 
I'd try it myself with
a small piece of 869, but I don't have the type of equipment I'd need to fully 
powder it.

interesting article found via google:



http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_150096.html

Vegetables show the way to life on Mars 

Scientists in New Zealand have successfully grown the first vegetables in 
Martian soil.

The tiny asparagus and potato plants were grown in soil taken from Martian 
meteorites which landed
on Earth thousands of years ago.

The scientific breakthrough raises hopes that humans may one day be able to 
colonise the Red Planet.

Lincoln University chemistry research professor Dr Michael Mautner has carried 
out the
vegetable-growing experiments in soil taken from the Dar al Gani 476 meteorite 
which was found in
the Sahara Desert in Libya in 1998, and the Murchison meteorite discovered in 
Australia in 1969.

Dr Mautner says the Martian soil showed surprisingly high levels of phosphate, 
ideal for growing
healthy vegetables, the New Zealand Herald reports.

He is now convinced that one day, humans will live on Mars. Dr Mautner said: 
If we build colonies
in space we will have to grow plants for food so obviously we need to know the 
soil can support
that.

Everyone knows the future is out there in space, so it's exciting. Space-based 
soils could
potentially support future human expansion in the solar system. I wouldn't say 
very soon, but in a
few centuries.

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende, the new drug of 2005?

[Sterling K. Webb]

Hi, Darren, List

Actually, this experiment has been done over and over.  Besides the recent 
Martian trial Darren
referred to, it has been done many times with lunar regolith in years past.  
(Why don't they just call
it soil? It's Lunar soil, dammit!)
Plants are not fussy.  They will grow just fine on Mars.  They will grow 
just fine on the Moon.
They will probably grow just fine on the Moons of Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and 
so forth.
They do need enough sunlight, of course, and they have an emotional 
attachment to gravity. (How else
to know which way is up?)  And it helps if it's warm enough.
Just pulverize the surface, throw up a one mill air cover, pump in the CO2 
and nitrogen, spray it
down with the hose, and get ready to start weeding.  Ooops! They won't be weeds 
unless we bring them
ourselves.  Not a bad deal.
I'm sure Lunar agriculture will be big business some day.  100% Absolute 
Guaranteed Pollution Free
Organic Lunar Produce!  With no smoke stacks on the Moon, how could it be 
otherwise?  And any trace
elements that are missing in the extraterrestrial environment can easily be 
added.
You gardeners out there know you can buy rock flour, as it's called, for 
your garden.  Deaf Smith
County in Texas does a fine business right now grinding up the many stones that 
litter the Texas
landscape and selling the flour.
Robert Heinlein wrote a nice little novel about a family of rock farmers 
on Ganymede back in the
1950's.  Turns out there's probably too much ice on Ganymede for that, but it 
was well-worked out for
the knowledge of the day.
So, if we give Mars a little thicker atmosphere, warm it up a bit, and 
plant crops, do you suppose
we'll have to bring water to the fields?  Guess so.  Maybe we could dig some 
canals...


Sterling Webb
--
Darren Garrison wrote:

 On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 19:12:09 -0600, Sterling K. Webb [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 wrote:

 Grow hydroponic vegetables where the minerals and salts that have to
 be added to hydroponic tanks is 100% METEORITE DUST, and you have, Yes,
 Friends! That's Right! EXTRATERRESTRIAL ORGANIC VEGETABLES Organic
 Produce From Outer Space!

 Actually, that sounds like a really interesting experiment: take a meteorite. 
  Pound it to dust.
 (Nothing rare, hopefully).  Plant a seed in the dust and water it with 
 distilled water.  See if the
 seed manages to grow.  I'd like to see that experiment done.  (Maybe even do 
 it with more than one
 type of stony-- a ordinary chondrite and a carbonaceous, for example).  Heck, 
 I'd try it myself with
 a small piece of 869, but I don't have the type of equipment I'd need to 
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[meteorite-list] Allende

[peterscherff]

Hi,

I am looking for a nice sample of Allende. I would prefer a 500+
gram example. Can anyone point me to one?

Thanks,

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende

[Tom Knudson]

Can anyone point me to one?
Yes, that way!  
Thanks, Tom
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Hi,
I am looking for a nice sample of Allende. I would prefer a 500+
gram example. Can anyone point me to one?
Thanks,
Peter Scherff

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[meteorite-list] allende for trade

[Steve Arnold, Chicago!!!]

Hi all.I have an 11 gran fragment of allende for trade if anyone is
interested.Let me know what you have.

  steve arnold

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[meteorite-list] Allende - What is the world coming to?

[bernd . pauli]

 Hi List, what is the world coming to, having to put a buy it now
 of $3 on Allende, starting bid of only $2, I bet it still won't sell!

 http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemrd=1item=6500334010;
 ssPageNam
 e=STRK:MESE:IT

Tom and List,

My advice is to refrain from using such negative comments like dirt cheap
and replace it instead by its weight. You might also want to write something
like Rare, Beautiful, etc. Look at Mike Farmer's or the Hupes' EBay items.
These people invite their potential buyers to buy one of their unique, 
rare,
specimens, to buy one of their there won't be much to go around specimens,
etc. The other end of the line would be something like Dean's invitation to buy
the ugliest meteorite in the world :-)

.. and don't forget there are still two days and 23 hours left. Some bidders
wait until the very last moment to get something at rock bottom prices.

.. and there is a lot of Allende material.

.. and there are quite a few very competitive items on EBay at the moment.

Wishing you all a happy
Holiday Season,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Allende - What is the world coming to?

[Michael Fowler]

My advice, Never bet against yourself, you might win!!
Mike Fowler
from steve arnold's neck of the woods

 Hi List, what is the world coming to, having to put a buy it now
 of $3 on Allende, starting bid of only $2, I bet it still won't sell!
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[meteorite-list] Allende pics!!!!

[Tom AKA James Knudson]

These might help with that last email!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN0329.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v609/peregrineflier/DSCN0328.jpg

Thanks, Tom
peregrineflier 
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http://www.frontiernet.net/~peregrineflier/Peregrineflier.htm

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Re: [meteorite-list] allende

[Michael Farmer]

Steve and all, indeed, a steal considering I paid far more for it.
I informed the list that one cent auctions were ending, and many took 
advantage of it, with most meteorites going at or below my cost!
Yet list members who consider such adds spam, have no problem going to my 
website and paying $6 gram for the same Allende you bought for $2 gram.
EBay is a great place, but right now a buyers market.
Don't forget that I loaded over $10,000 in meteorites to end on Tuesday, 
some spectacular meteorites from my private collection.

Just look at this sikhote-Alin!
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2287095083
The best oriented Sikhote-Alin I have seen in a long while, nothing but flow
lines.
See the whole list at the links below.
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?viewUserPageuserid=meteoritehunters
http://members.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewUserPageuserid=meteorite-hunter
Take a few minutes and get some meteorites at prices no dealer would ever 
begin to quote you.
Michael Farmer

- Original Message - 
From: Steve Arnold, Chicago!!! [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Saturday, November 20, 2004 7:58 AM
Subject: [meteorite-list] allende


Hi again list. I just got my very first piece of allende from mike
farmer,after winning it on ebay.A 13 gram individual for $26.00.If you ask
me,A STEAL fer shure.Thanks again mike.
steve arnold
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Steve R.Arnold, Chicago, IL, 60120
I. M. C. A. MEMBER #6728
Illinois Meteorites
website url http://stormbringer60120.tripod.com
http://members.ebay.com/aboutme/illinoismeteorites/





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[meteorite-list] Allende on Ebay

[Comcast Mail]

Wow,

I'm going to be rich !!! 
Iv'e got about $20,000 of this stuff right outside 
my backdoor.
And now I know there are people willing to buy it 
!

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=2225807035category=3239sspagename=STRK%3AMEBWA%3AITrd=1

Bob Evans

[meteorite-list] Allende Meteorite Reveals Signs of Life from Space

[Ron Baalke]

http://dsc.discovery.com/news/afp/20030623/meteorite.html

Meteorite Reveals Signs of Life from Space
By Danny Kingsley
Discovery Channel News
June 26, 2003

Unique carbon building blocks of life called fullerenes did indeed
crash to Earth in meteorites, new British research has found.

The work by Peter Harris from Reading University has provided the 
first direct evidence of fullerenes - a special
type of carbon molecule associated with the
origins of life - in meteorite
samples. The analysis of samples from the
Allende meteorite which fell on Mexico in
1969 is published this week online in the
Proceedings of the Royal Society. 

Fullerenes are a type of carbon molecule first
discovered in the mid-1980s, the most famous of
which is the buckyball, which is a closed spherical
molecule the shape of a soccer ball. The fullerenes
discovered by Harris and colleagues were completely
closed and relatively large, containing around 6,000 to
10,000 carbon atoms each, and with a generally
disordered structure. 

Since the Allende meteorite has been shown to have
formed at the same time as our solar system's
planets, the findings, which show fullerenes are
capable of surviving for billions of years in space,
provide a further step towards understanding where
life came from. 

One possibility for where the organic building blocks
for life came from is that they came from space, said
Dr Jeremy Bailey from the Anglo Australian
Observatory in Sydney. Not so much that life itself 
came from space, but the organic molecules that you 
need to make the primordial soup could have come from 
space.

It's certainly an interesting result, but not a 
surprising one, Bailey told ABC Science Online. 
People have generally believed there are fullerenes 
in space and it's not surprising that you find them in 
these meteorites because there are plenty of other 
organic molecules in the meteorites.

The findings also support previous claims by 
astrobiologist Luann Becker at the University
of Washington in Seattle, that fullerenes were present 
in carbonaceous material from meteorites. Her work was 
considered controversial because of methods she used to
identify the fullerenes - laser desorption mass 
spectroscopy - could have modified the carbon samples, 
creating the fullerene compounds it was supposed to be
finding. 

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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende Inclusions?

[Roman Nakonechny]

Hey tom. It's probably light green olivine that crystallized with other 
pre-solar nebular material, silicates in particular- some of which have no 
color hue. I've seen many different color hues in my Allende slice and the 
fascinating and sometimes perfect chondrules when observing them under an 
American Optical 1000x microscope- rotated down to 100x of course. There's a 
great book with a section on chondrules alone called (Brazilian 
Meteorites)and you can get it from: Bethany Sciences (Ron Farrell), New 
Haven ,CT. . He sold me my first meteorite, Allende, a 156gram 95% fusion 
crust and a 5gr. slice so that I could better see the chondrules. The whole 
chondrite has a 1/2in. piece cracked off of it from impacting a widows 
porch roof. Scared her to death when the rest of the stones came in 
hypersonic and rained down on(Village Of Allende). Last told, she still has 
a 10kilo Allende with a beautiful, undamaged, black skin buried on her 
farm 2ft. down in a plastic trash bag. Imagine a slice off of a 10 kilo 
Allende , and all the calcium/aluminum and other inclusions, like Gold, 
Silver, Brass balls- sorry, meant chondrules:), lets not go back there, 
please!
An (e.g.) from the book that I'm pretty sure some of us collectors of 
nebular fragmented accretions (meteorites), is the description of Chondrule 
Textures: 1-Porphyritic 2-Barred and Rimmed 3-Excentro-Radial and 4-Granular 
Porphyritic. It took me 3 years before I found out that Chondrules were 
formed by the spontaneous crystallization of freely-floating 
highly-supercooled droplets of melt-  in my opinion the best description 
that everybody can visualize- not my description, I forget where I copied it 
from? The've found chondrules with tiny nickel/iron cores. Then you throw at 
your friends or family that the Earth is nothing but a MACRO -CHONDRULE and 
you've lost'em.
Hey, I get excited about free-floating spheres, especially when they have 
names, you know what I mean? Sorry about the lengthy response Tom. It's 
3:54AM here and I've been watching way too much War T.V. You can't help but 
get hooked on it!(GOD BLESS OUR TROOPS)
~~*
From The Smoke Trail (IMCA#0583)
Roman N. 3-27-2003




From: Tom aka James Knudson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: meteorite-list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende Inclusions?
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:45:06 -0700
Hello List, I was looking at my Allende and noticed a clear inclusion with 
a
light green tinge, can any one tell me what this is?

Thanks, Tom
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168


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[meteorite-list] Allende Inclusions?

[Tom aka James Knudson]

Hello List, I was looking at my Allende and noticed a clear inclusion with a
light green tinge, can any one tell me what this is?

Thanks, Tom
The proudest member of the IMCA 6168




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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende

[Bruce D Wegmann]

- Original Message - 
From: Jonathan Gore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: [meteorite-list] Allende


 Are there any amino acids in Allende?
 
 Jonathan Gore
 
 Yes, but only a few.  Murchison is a far richer mix of organics
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[meteorite-list] Allende

[Jonathan Gore]

Are there any amino acids in Allende?

Jonathan Gore


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Re: [meteorite-list] Allende

[Bernd Pauli HD]

Jonathan Gore wondered:

 Are there any amino acids in Allende?

Yes, there are. Here are some references:

J.R. Cronin, C.B. Moore (1971) Amino acid analyses of the Murchison,
Murray and Allende carbonaceous chondrites (Science 172, 1327-1329).

K. Harada, P.E. Hare (1980) Analysis of amino acids from the Allende
meteorite (in Biogeochem. of Amino Acids, eds. P.E. Hare, T.C. Hoering,
K. King, Jr., pp. 169-181, Wiley, New York).

Cheers,

Bernd

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[meteorite-list] Allende CAI origins

[Dave Harris]

Hullo Listees
Well, having been in hospital for the past few days, and having the most
profoundly unpleasant procedure performed on me (email me offlist if
interested - I have no pride!!) I have had plenty of time to lie in bed,
woozy on morphine, read some stuff relating to the origin of CAIs and I have
come to the conclusion that I am still confused as to what the current
received knowledge is as to the origin of these bodies.
As far as I can tell they were either blown into the protosolar nebula by a
nearby supernova (what evidence? Radiometric age? and so on) or they were
amongst the first solids to precipitate out of the protoplanetary disk and
were blown outwards from the Sun to the outer reaches of the newly formed
solar system by solar winds.

Any thoughts? Are they measurably older than the matrix and chondrules we
find?


Opiatically yours
dave
--
In gentle decay,
dave

IMCA #0092

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