[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hi What do you do with a dealer who seems to have NO TIME to leave you feedback on Ebay. I have had many times where a non-dealer seller on Ebay simply never gets around to fulfilling their duties of leaving feedback. That is annoying enough. But why a when a dealer does not leave you feedback, is beyond me. I would imagine that a dealer should understand that user input on Ebay is a lifeline to developing a good selling relationship with users who are considering purchasing something from the dealer. The same can be said for buyers. I know I feel more at ease when I see that a winner of one of my auctions has a firm feedback rating. And bottom line, it's just common courtesy to follow up successful sales with a positive feedback entry for the buyer. I have sent him numerous emails, but no feedback yet. It's been over 3 weeks since the auction. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Good morning, All, Walter Newton wrote: ...But why a when a dealer does not leave you feedback, is beyond me. I would imagine that a dealer should understand that user input on Ebay is a lifeline to developing a good selling relationship with users who are considering purchasing something from the dealer. My opinion has always been, better no feedback than bad feedback! E-mails politely demanding positive feedback for a transaction will eventually result in a less than positive response and a sullied record. Don't sweat the small stuffafter all, it's about meteorites, not kudos, really it is. Best Regards, Paul Martyn Savannah, GA __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hi Paul Yes, it's about the meteorites. I haven't noticed this caveat with the meteorite dealers, but a lot of dealers on Ebay set their own bidding rules (which is Ebay legal). Some dealers (or even part-time sellers) will not except bids from anyone with ANY negative feedback, or requires you to have X amount of positive feedbacks to bid and so on. If you don't follow these special rules, the seller can cancel your bid. So feedback is important. I'm not talking about soliciting for positive feedback. I just want the dealer to leave feedback, good, bad or indifferent. The whole foundation of Ebay's community idea is the self-monitoring of sellers and buyers. And as a Power Seller myself (not meteorites), I know how my feedback ratings help both my selling and buying. Yes, it's about the meteorites. And when a meteorite dealer is more interested in selling the rocks than anything else, and is lazy with the follow up, in my mind this is not helpful for anyone or the collecting community. I may as well pick up my rocks at the tourist traps all over the country, since the dealer has decided that the personal service and his duty to the buyer is not as important than his bottom line. If I want this type of service, I can go to Kmart. Closing note. The dealer I am addressing in this topic has managed to list 20 new items in the last two days. So I know he is not away from his computer or not available to take care of his duty. Paul, I can't agree with you. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
I have sent him numerous emails, but no feedback yet. It's been over 3 weeks since the auction. this might seem overly harsh, but I would think that maybe he hasnt left feedback because he thinks you are pestering him on the issue. 'numerous emails' seems to be a bit above and beyond the call for wanting feedback posted within a 3 week timespan. I could understand if he never sent you your purchase, but all those mails just because he never left feedback? just from my own perspective, as both a buyer and seller on ebay i normally leave feedback in large groups. maybe once a month, or even longer depending on my useage. Also dont forget that 3 weeks is still well within the time period where you might decide you arent happy with the transaction and it could go belly up. feedback should be left when both parties are happy with how the deal concluded. 3 weeks may be too soon for the seller to feel safe in doing this. just my 2 cents. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hi Maybe you hadn't read my second post, but this dealer in question has had a lot of time in the last three weeks to list item after item, but not 10 seconds to leave feedback? And you have no idea if what the content of my numerous email were like. I am extremely polite and friendly. If polite and friendly bothers a dealer, then maybe he should take up another profession like... oh... maybe a hermit. And managing feedback is really simple if you use My Ebay. You don't have to make any lists or remember who you left feedback for. Just go to My Ebay, click on feedback and you will be presented with a list of all buyers that you need to leave feedback for. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
By the way... I know I am new to this list, but I don't feel that my question was out of line. But I assume that some one on this list does. I just got this private email from a list member in reference to this subject. You expect too much of people. There's an a**hole born every minute... j. karl Mr. Karl If the a-hole remark is toward me, then thank you for the information. I will make sure I don't waste my time responding to any of your postings on this list. I wouldn't want to tax your mental capabilities. If the a-hole is in reference to the dealer, then thank you for the information. I will make sure I don't get on your wrong side this early in the morning. I think you're a-hole remark is uncalled for no matter who you are referencing. Isn't this a list-server group dedicated to open discussion. Making a statement like you did is the same as telling someone to shut up... your opinion is not worth anything. I hope I don't run into too much of this on this list. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
re: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Walter. You have chosen to send a private email to the list which is a violation of list policies. All this over a petty feedback. Is all this list spam worth it? I suggest you leave the dealer a negative feedback for not leaving you a positive feedback. This may make you feel better. By the way... I know I am new to this list, but I don't feel that my question was out of line. But I assume that some one on this list does. I just got this private email from a list member in reference to this subject. You expect too much of people. There's an a**hole born every minute... _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
I fear you have missed my point. just because your emails were friendly doesnt mean that the dealer in question doesnt think of your 'numerous emails' about feedback - even through friendly - arent an annoyance. He may have time to list other ebay auctions but that doesnt mean he gives the same priority to leaving feedback as you do. Maybe he is purposfully dragging feet because of your insistance he leave feedback, or maybe he is holding off untill the timeframe for paypal complains expires for fear that your dog might eat the specimin and you will demand your money back. or maybe one of a bunch of other possibilites. In short people all have their own unique priorities in life. Please keep in mind that I'm not trying to say your viewpoint is wrong, but rather that you should consider what your seller may think about the situation too. If you dont want to to business with someone who doesnt leave feedback, thats your perogative and a good way to express your displeasure. Personally for me I care much more about the quality of the specimin than anything else. Maybe you hadn't read my second post, but this dealer in question has had a lot of time in the last three weeks to list item after item, but not 10 seconds to leave feedback? And you have no idea if what the content of my numerous email were like. I am extremely polite and friendly. If polite and friendly bothers a dealer, then maybe he should take up another profession like... oh... maybe a hermit. And managing feedback is really simple if you use My Ebay. You don't have to make any lists or remember who you left feedback for. Just go to My Ebay, click on feedback and you will be presented with a list of all buyers that you need to leave feedback for. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty - A APOLOGY FIRST
Hi list One big APOLOGY from me about posting a email to the list that was sent directly to me. Honest mistake, but I understand the rules now. Won't happen again. I've heard everything from list users feeling that Ebay feedback is almost bogus to Ebay feedback can put the fear of g-d in you. I can agree with the full extreme of opinions, all have very valid points, but I think when it all shakes out, feedback does work for the basic good of the Ebay community. My bottom line is this. As a buyer, I never bid on a auction unless I know I have the money available NOW and I pay as soon as the auction ends. Cash flow is important to a business, and I suspect the dealers enjoy having that money as quickly as if he/she had made a sale over a counter in a store. As a seller, I promise to ship with in 24 hours of receiving payment, I always ship priority since I know how us boys (ok... the girls too) like to get our toys in our grubby little hands ASAP. And I leave feedback as soon as I can, for buyer or seller. Following these rules have worked for me for 10 years. But still, I see a recent trend in the last few years where both buyers and sellers are not as concerned with good customer service, or good buyers etiquette. I don't think I am being hard-nosed about this. Any closed system works best when all the parts are working in harmony. It's no different on this list. List members informed me, in very polite ways, that I should not have posted a private email to the list. Some other users recommended that I don't include my personal signature information with my posts. All this input helps make this list work well. I still think that anyone who waits for weeks to leave feedback is not being responsible. Walt Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Hey I'll fess up, I am the dealer in question. I find feedbacks to be a pain in the butt, a waste of time and in the grand scheme of things virtually worthless. As a result I do feedbacks in a big batch every 2-3 months (sometimes longer). When I am buying it doesn't matter to me if the seller has a feedback rating of 15 or 150 or 15,000. If I look at a feedback it is only to look at the negatives to see why they were given, I don't bother looking at any of the positives at all. I pay zero attention to who has or has not given me feedback and rarely look at my own feedback. Walter Newton's emails have been a whole lot politer than some who seem to feel that because they gave me a positive feedback that I owed them one in return, immediately. I don't ask for feedbacks and just because someone gives me one there is no requirement or duty on my part to respond in kind. However I usually do - eventually. Yes, I know that if I did feedbacks more frequently I wouldn't get emails nagging me to reciprocate for the feedback they gave me. What can I say, sometimes the emails prod me into doing a batch of feedbacks and sometimes they don't. Repeated emails are guaranteed never to get me in the mood to do feedbacks. As far as loading 20+ auctions on monday, since moving to North Carolina I have no paying job and eBay pays the house mortgage. That makes loading things on eBay a priority, even over getting the house squared away. It puts feedback way down on the list well below mowing the lawn, something I did the other day for the first time in 12 years and which needs doing again. Hang in there Walter, I will get to them eventually. -- Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com I have sent him numerous emails, but no feedback yet. It's been over 3 weeks since the auction. this might seem overly harsh, but I would think that maybe he hasnt left feedback because he thinks you are pestering him on the issue. 'numerous emails' seems to be a bit above and beyond the call for wanting feedback posted within a 3 week timespan. I could understand if he never sent you your purchase, but all those mails just because he never left feedback? just from my own perspective, as both a buyer and seller on ebay i normally leave feedback in large groups. maybe once a month, or even longer depending on my useage. Also dont forget that 3 weeks is still well within the time period where you might decide you arent happy with the transaction and it could go belly up. feedback should be left when both parties are happy with how the deal concluded. 3 weeks may be too soon for the seller to feel safe in doing this. just my 2 cents. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
I couldn't agree more. If the dealer takes the time to work on ebay, then go all the way and complete the transaction. Feedback takes about 5 seconds to leave, so it isn't difficult. I get angry at buyers who don't leave feedback as well. I will tell you as a dealer, I have an ebay book, where all transactions are written down in order by days that they ended. I leave a checkmark when the item is paid, and put another one to make an x when I leave feedback. It is too easy and there is really no excuse for failing to complete that very important part of the ebay sale. Mike Farmer -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Walter L. Newton Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 4:49 AM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty Hi Paul Yes, it's about the meteorites. I haven't noticed this caveat with the meteorite dealers, but a lot of dealers on Ebay set their own bidding rules (which is Ebay legal). Some dealers (or even part-time sellers) will not except bids from anyone with ANY negative feedback, or requires you to have X amount of positive feedbacks to bid and so on. If you don't follow these special rules, the seller can cancel your bid. So feedback is important. I'm not talking about soliciting for positive feedback. I just want the dealer to leave feedback, good, bad or indifferent. The whole foundation of Ebay's community idea is the self-monitoring of sellers and buyers. And as a Power Seller myself (not meteorites), I know how my feedback ratings help both my selling and buying. Yes, it's about the meteorites. And when a meteorite dealer is more interested in selling the rocks than anything else, and is lazy with the follow up, in my mind this is not helpful for anyone or the collecting community. I may as well pick up my rocks at the tourist traps all over the country, since the dealer has decided that the personal service and his duty to the buyer is not as important than his bottom line. If I want this type of service, I can go to Kmart. Closing note. The dealer I am addressing in this topic has managed to list 20 new items in the last two days. So I know he is not away from his computer or not available to take care of his duty. Paul, I can't agree with you. Walter L. Newton 1400 Utah Street #101 Golden, Co 80401 Home 303-279-3046 Cell 303-906-9653 __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty - A APOLOGY FIRST
I'm going to make a simple suggestion here. If receiving feedback is so important to you, why don't you simply send the seller an email BEFORE bidding and inquire as to whether or not he (she) promptly leaves feedback? If you browse around Ebay, you will notice that several dealers actually mention in their descriptions that they leave feedback. Deal with these folks and forget about the non-feedbackers. Best, JKGwilliam At 11:32 AM 6/29/2006, Walter L. Newton wrote: Hi list One big APOLOGY from me about posting a email to the list that was sent directly to me. Honest mistake, but I understand the rules now. Won't happen again. I've heard everything from list users feeling that Ebay feedback is almost bogus to Ebay feedback can put the fear of g-d in you. I can agree with the full extreme of opinions, all have very valid points, but I think when it all shakes out, feedback does work for the basic good of the Ebay community. My bottom line is this. As a buyer, I never bid on a auction unless I know I have the money available NOW and I pay as soon as the auction ends. Cash flow is important to a business, and I suspect the dealers enjoy having that money as quickly as if he/she had made a sale over a counter in a store. As a seller, I promise to ship with in 24 hours of receiving payment, I always ship priority since I know how us boys (ok... the girls too) like to get our toys in our grubby little hands ASAP. And I leave feedback as soon as I can, for buyer or seller. Following these rules have worked for me for 10 years. But still, I see a recent trend in the last few years where both buyers and sellers are not as concerned with good customer service, or good buyers etiquette. I don't think I am being hard-nosed about this. Any closed system works best when all the parts are working in harmony. It's no different on this list. List members informed me, in very polite ways, that I should not have posted a private email to the list. Some other users recommended that I don't include my personal signature information with my posts. All this input helps make this list work well. I still think that anyone who waits for weeks to leave feedback is not being responsible. Walt Newton __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
RE: [meteorite-list] Dealers and their duty
Eric, Good to hear you're getting settled in. If you ever get homesick for Arizona, you're welcome to come stay at my place. I even have a lawn mower you can use to show me your newly developed talent;-) Ohone more thing...I almost forgot. I agree with you about the Ebay feedback issue. Best, John Gwilliam At 03:32 PM 6/29/2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey I'll fess up, I am the dealer in question. I find feedbacks to be a pain in the butt, a waste of time and in the grand scheme of things virtually worthless. As a result I do feedbacks in a big batch every 2-3 months (sometimes longer). When I am buying it doesn't matter to me if the seller has a feedback rating of 15 or 150 or 15,000. If I look at a feedback it is only to look at the negatives to see why they were given, I don't bother looking at any of the positives at all. I pay zero attention to who has or has not given me feedback and rarely look at my own feedback. Walter Newton's emails have been a whole lot politer than some who seem to feel that because they gave me a positive feedback that I owed them one in return, immediately. I don't ask for feedbacks and just because someone gives me one there is no requirement or duty on my part to respond in kind. However I usually do - eventually. Yes, I know that if I did feedbacks more frequently I wouldn't get emails nagging me to reciprocate for the feedback they gave me. What can I say, sometimes the emails prod me into doing a batch of feedbacks and sometimes they don't. Repeated emails are guaranteed never to get me in the mood to do feedbacks. As far as loading 20+ auctions on monday, since moving to North Carolina I have no paying job and eBay pays the house mortgage. That makes loading things on eBay a priority, even over getting the house squared away. It puts feedback way down on the list well below mowing the lawn, something I did the other day for the first time in 12 years and which needs doing again. Hang in there Walter, I will get to them eventually. -- Eric Olson http://www.star-bits.com I have sent him numerous emails, but no feedback yet. It's been over 3 weeks since the auction. this might seem overly harsh, but I would think that maybe he hasnt left feedback because he thinks you are pestering him on the issue. 'numerous emails' seems to be a bit above and beyond the call for wanting feedback posted within a 3 week timespan. I could understand if he never sent you your purchase, but all those mails just because he never left feedback? just from my own perspective, as both a buyer and seller on ebay i normally leave feedback in large groups. maybe once a month, or even longer depending on my useage. Also dont forget that 3 weeks is still well within the time period where you might decide you arent happy with the transaction and it could go belly up. feedback should be left when both parties are happy with how the deal concluded. 3 weeks may be too soon for the seller to feel safe in doing this. just my 2 cents. __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
