Re: [meteorite-list] Latest from Gerta Keller - Chixilub didn't really do it...

2011-11-18 Thread cdtucson
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 Galactic Stone & Ironworks  wrote: 
> Hi David and List,
> 
> Interesting theory.  I am a little confused at what this new research
> is trying to say.
> 
> Are they claiming that the volcanism from the Deccan Traps is largely
> responsible for the mass extinctions and that the coincidental
> meteorite impact aggravated the problem?
> 
> Or, are they claiming that a meteorite impact near the area of the
> Deccan Traps triggered the resulting volcanism?
> 
> It is not inconceivable to think that the latent potential of the
> Deccan Traps was unleashed by a catastrophic meteorite impact that
> punctured the crust and released the volcanism that caused the
> extinctions?  In effect, this would mean that the Deccan Traps would
> not have caused the extinctions on their own, because the volcanism
> would not have been "triggered" if the meteorite impact had not
> happened.
> 
> Considering the massive size and global cataclysmic effects caused by
> the Chicxulub event, it is hard to imagine that such an impact could
> not have caused the extinctions on it's own without any help from
> unrelated volcanism.  However, if the Deccan Traps were already
> pummeling life on Earth with it's toxic effects, then the subsequent
> Chicxulub event may have been the knock out punch that finished off
> the species that were already on the ropes from the Deccan volcanism.
> 
> Either way, the new research still admits that a meteorite impact
> played a role - even if it was secondary.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> MikeG
> 
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> 
> 
> On 11/18/11, David R. Vann  wrote:
> >
> > Not sure how much I agree with all this, but it sures seems the end
> > Cretaceous
> > would have been a bad time to be on planet Earth.
> >
> > One-Two Punch Caused Mass Extinction
> > November 18, 2011
> >
> > Princeton Univ. researchers found that massive, prolonged eruptions of the
> > Deccan Traps in India gradually eliminated species and resulted in the
> > Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction that killed the dinosaurs 65 million
> > years
> > ago. Marine sediment trapped between Deccan lava flows revealed that a
> > species
> > known as planktonic foraminifera-widely used to gauge the severity of
> > prehistoric disasters-succumbed to lava mega-flows and volcano-induced
> > environmental stress such as acid rain and drastic climate changes. As
> > conditions on Earth worsened, large, variedspecies (left) were eliminated.
> > The
> > no more than seven or eight smaller species (right) that remained dwarfed
> > further. Image: Gerta Keller
> > A cosmic one-two punch of colossal volcanic eruptions and meteorite strikes
> > likely caused the mass-extinction event at the end of the Cretaceous period
> > that
> > is famous for killing the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, according to two
> > Princeton Univ. reports that reject the prevailing theory that the
> > extinction
> > was caused by a single large meteorite.
> >
> > Princeton-led researchers found that a trail of dead plankton spanning half
> > a
> > million years provides a timeline that links the mass extinction to
> > large-scale
> > eruptions of the Deccan Traps, a primeval volcanic range in western India
> > that
> > was once three-times larger than France. A second Princeton-based group
> > uncovered traces of a meteorite close to the Deccan Traps that may have been
> > one
> > of a series to strike the Earth around the time of the mass extinction,
> > possibly
> > wiping out the few species that remained after thousands of years of
> > volcanic
> > activity.
> >
> > Researchers led by Princeton professor of Geosciences Gerta Keller report
> > this
> > month in the Journal of the Geological Society of India that marine
> > sediments
> > from Deccan lava flows show that the population of a plankton species widely
> > used to gauge the fallout of prehistoric catastrophes plummeted nearly 100
> > percent in the thousands of years leading up to the mass extinction. This
> > eradication occurred in sync with the largest eruption phase of the Deccan
> > Traps-the second of three-when the volcanoes pumped the atmosphere full of
> > climate-altering carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide, the researchers report.
> > The
> > less severe third phase of Deccan activity kept the Earth nearly
> > uninhabitable
> > for the next 500,000 years, the researchers report. A substantially weaker
> > first
> > phase occurred roughly 2.5 million years before the second-pha

Re: [meteorite-list] Latest from Gerta Keller - Chixilub didn't really do it...

2011-11-18 Thread Galactic Stone & Ironworks
Hi David and List,

Interesting theory.  I am a little confused at what this new research
is trying to say.

Are they claiming that the volcanism from the Deccan Traps is largely
responsible for the mass extinctions and that the coincidental
meteorite impact aggravated the problem?

Or, are they claiming that a meteorite impact near the area of the
Deccan Traps triggered the resulting volcanism?

It is not inconceivable to think that the latent potential of the
Deccan Traps was unleashed by a catastrophic meteorite impact that
punctured the crust and released the volcanism that caused the
extinctions?  In effect, this would mean that the Deccan Traps would
not have caused the extinctions on their own, because the volcanism
would not have been "triggered" if the meteorite impact had not
happened.

Considering the massive size and global cataclysmic effects caused by
the Chicxulub event, it is hard to imagine that such an impact could
not have caused the extinctions on it's own without any help from
unrelated volcanism.  However, if the Deccan Traps were already
pummeling life on Earth with it's toxic effects, then the subsequent
Chicxulub event may have been the knock out punch that finished off
the species that were already on the ropes from the Deccan volcanism.

Either way, the new research still admits that a meteorite impact
played a role - even if it was secondary.

Best regards,

MikeG

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On 11/18/11, David R. Vann  wrote:
>
> Not sure how much I agree with all this, but it sures seems the end
> Cretaceous
> would have been a bad time to be on planet Earth.
>
> One-Two Punch Caused Mass Extinction
> November 18, 2011
>
> Princeton Univ. researchers found that massive, prolonged eruptions of the
> Deccan Traps in India gradually eliminated species and resulted in the
> Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction that killed the dinosaurs 65 million
> years
> ago. Marine sediment trapped between Deccan lava flows revealed that a
> species
> known as planktonic foraminifera-widely used to gauge the severity of
> prehistoric disasters-succumbed to lava mega-flows and volcano-induced
> environmental stress such as acid rain and drastic climate changes. As
> conditions on Earth worsened, large, variedspecies (left) were eliminated.
> The
> no more than seven or eight smaller species (right) that remained dwarfed
> further. Image: Gerta Keller
> A cosmic one-two punch of colossal volcanic eruptions and meteorite strikes
> likely caused the mass-extinction event at the end of the Cretaceous period
> that
> is famous for killing the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, according to two
> Princeton Univ. reports that reject the prevailing theory that the
> extinction
> was caused by a single large meteorite.
>
> Princeton-led researchers found that a trail of dead plankton spanning half
> a
> million years provides a timeline that links the mass extinction to
> large-scale
> eruptions of the Deccan Traps, a primeval volcanic range in western India
> that
> was once three-times larger than France. A second Princeton-based group
> uncovered traces of a meteorite close to the Deccan Traps that may have been
> one
> of a series to strike the Earth around the time of the mass extinction,
> possibly
> wiping out the few species that remained after thousands of years of
> volcanic
> activity.
>
> Researchers led by Princeton professor of Geosciences Gerta Keller report
> this
> month in the Journal of the Geological Society of India that marine
> sediments
> from Deccan lava flows show that the population of a plankton species widely
> used to gauge the fallout of prehistoric catastrophes plummeted nearly 100
> percent in the thousands of years leading up to the mass extinction. This
> eradication occurred in sync with the largest eruption phase of the Deccan
> Traps-the second of three-when the volcanoes pumped the atmosphere full of
> climate-altering carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide, the researchers report.
> The
> less severe third phase of Deccan activity kept the Earth nearly
> uninhabitable
> for the next 500,000 years, the researchers report. A substantially weaker
> first
> phase occurred roughly 2.5 million years before the second-phase eruptions.
>
> Another group based in Keller's lab found evidence in Indian sediment of a
> meteorite strike from the time of the mass extinction that would have been
> sufficient to finish off the few but weakened species that survived the
> Deccan
> eruptions, according to a report in the journal Earth and Planetary Science
> Letters (EPSL). This same sediment-located in Meghalaya, I

[meteorite-list] Latest from Gerta Keller - Chixilub didn't really do it...

2011-11-18 Thread David R. Vann

Not sure how much I agree with all this, but it sures seems the end Cretaceous
would have been a bad time to be on planet Earth.

One-Two Punch Caused Mass Extinction
November 18, 2011 

Princeton Univ. researchers found that massive, prolonged eruptions of the
Deccan Traps in India gradually eliminated species and resulted in the
Cretaceous-Tertiary mass extinction that killed the dinosaurs 65 million years
ago. Marine sediment trapped between Deccan lava flows revealed that a species
known as planktonic foraminifera-widely used to gauge the severity of
prehistoric disasters-succumbed to lava mega-flows and volcano-induced
environmental stress such as acid rain and drastic climate changes. As
conditions on Earth worsened, large, variedspecies (left) were eliminated. The
no more than seven or eight smaller species (right) that remained dwarfed
further. Image: Gerta Keller 
A cosmic one-two punch of colossal volcanic eruptions and meteorite strikes
likely caused the mass-extinction event at the end of the Cretaceous period that
is famous for killing the dinosaurs 65 million years ago, according to two
Princeton Univ. reports that reject the prevailing theory that the extinction
was caused by a single large meteorite. 

Princeton-led researchers found that a trail of dead plankton spanning half a
million years provides a timeline that links the mass extinction to large-scale
eruptions of the Deccan Traps, a primeval volcanic range in western India that
was once three-times larger than France. A second Princeton-based group
uncovered traces of a meteorite close to the Deccan Traps that may have been one
of a series to strike the Earth around the time of the mass extinction, possibly
wiping out the few species that remained after thousands of years of volcanic
activity. 

Researchers led by Princeton professor of Geosciences Gerta Keller report this
month in the Journal of the Geological Society of India that marine sediments
from Deccan lava flows show that the population of a plankton species widely
used to gauge the fallout of prehistoric catastrophes plummeted nearly 100
percent in the thousands of years leading up to the mass extinction. This
eradication occurred in sync with the largest eruption phase of the Deccan
Traps-the second of three-when the volcanoes pumped the atmosphere full of
climate-altering carbon dioxide and sulfur dioxide, the researchers report. The
less severe third phase of Deccan activity kept the Earth nearly uninhabitable
for the next 500,000 years, the researchers report. A substantially weaker first
phase occurred roughly 2.5 million years before the second-phase eruptions. 

Another group based in Keller's lab found evidence in Indian sediment of a
meteorite strike from the time of the mass extinction that would have been
sufficient to finish off the few but weakened species that survived the Deccan
eruptions, according to a report in the journal Earth and Planetary Science
Letters (EPSL). This same sediment-located in Meghalaya, India, more than 600
miles east of the Deccan Traps-portrayed the Earth during this period as a harsh
environment of acid rain and erratic global temperatures. 

Taken together, Keller says, the Princeton findings could finally put to rest
the theory that the mass-extinction event-known as the Cretaceous-Tertiary, or
KT, for the periods it straddles-was triggered solely by a large meteorite
impact near Chicxulub in present-day Mexico. That impact -which occurred around
the time of the second-phase Deccan eruptions-is thought to have been 2 million
times more powerful than a hydrogen bomb and generated an enormous dust cloud
and gases that radically altered the climate. Keller has long held that the
Chicxulub impact was not catastrophic enough to cause the KT mass extinction-the
newest work from her lab, however, shows that the largest Deccan eruptions were.


"Our work in Meghalaya and the Deccan Traps provides the first one-to-one
correlation between the mass extinction and Deccan volcanism," says Keller, who
is lead author of the Geological Society paper and second author of the EPSL
paper after lead author Brian Gertsch, who earned his Ph.D. from Princeton.
Gertsch is now a postdoctoral researcher at the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology. 

"We demonstrate a clear cause-and-effect relationship that these massive
volcanic eruptions were far more destructive than previously thought and could
have caused the KT mass extinction even without the addition of large meteorite
impacts," Keller says. "But given the environmental instability caused by the
massive Deccan eruptions, an impact could easily have killed off the few
survivor species at the end of the Cretaceous. It would have been a double
whammy." 

Vincent Courtillot, a geophysicist and professor at Paris Univ. Diderot, says
that the Princeton papers are based on a closer examination of Deccan volcanism
and its aftermath than has been conducted previously. As such, he says, the
researchers' "i