Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
G'day John, Very interesting article... thanks. It reminds me of a story I saw a while back. One of the things that is under-development for the return to the moon is a spray that can go onto just about anything. It's one of those remarkable developments where nature was used as the inspiration. They investigated the way water rolls off Lotus leaves and applied that idea to the spray. So much like water on a lotus leaf, lunar dust will fall off material coated with the spray. Cool stuff. Cheers, Jeff - Original Message - From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: 'Martin Altmann' altm...@meteorite-martin.de; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Monday, June 27, 2011 6:13 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust This dust seems like a problem http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15607792/ -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:31 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Well, look what Slezak has here on his fingers! (photo courtesy: NASA). That's what the big gooseberry season story is about. http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?photoId=S69-40054 The Slezaktape story is well documented, publically known for decades now. No idea, how one can speak then from smuggling or even black market. Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used Well, in this case it's the simple question how long they have been used. Florian, who acquired the scotch tape, told, that when Slezak put the strip of tape on the poster to remember in 1969/1970 no regulations concerning the Apollo materials existed, the first ones came into effect in August 1972. If it's so - then: Newspaper had its story, attorney his publicity on TV... and because Ex post facto, the widow should get her dust grains back. If it's not so, FBI has to throw Slezak and btw. Alan Bean, who used lunar dust from his mission patches in his paintings into jail. Anyway, these contaminated few single particles of dust, are compared to the Apollo rocks research has at hand of no scientific interest. Hence I think, that tax-money spent for that nuisance should have been better spent for the acquisition of more samples of lunar meteorites for NASA diversifying their lunar materials reservoir. Ah here are some of Bean's paintings. http://www.alanbean.com/available_originals.cfm Hmm, they are quite bit more expensive than the tape-snippet...therefore don't show them to the U.S. attorney's office in St.Louis! When the Moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's ammmooo. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011 01:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust [This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect any kind of official position by NASA] If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used at NASA, and I'm pretty sure most official samples in the past have had paperwork such as this accompanying them. I don't know what kind of variability of terms there have been in these agreements, but I'm confident that, whatever they say, they are legally binding on the recipients who sign them. I don't understand why people would be surprised that material of any value removed from a federal facility without permission might be subject to scrutiny. This sounds like theft to me, and doesn't seem to require any special law pertaining to the specific material. So, I don't understand the comment about self-proclaimed laws. Even if there is no cover-up of the removal or subsequent sale, that does not necessarily make it legal. I think the legal issue might come down to whether or not the remover had permission, either expressed or implied. Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
http://www.thespaceshop.com/shuttilin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:20 AM To: MexicoDoug Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Hi Doug and List, Doug - it is great to see you posting again. I have missed your insights. :) They are selling heat tiles from the shuttles at KSC? I didn't know that, and I want one! I've been meaning to acquire some more space-related items - aerogel, heat shield tiles, etc. Do they have a website where I can order the tiles, or do I need to visit the gift shop in person? Best regards, MikeG PS - is there somewhere online to buy the Russian tiles also? -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: JG wrote to MG: What law are you talking about? Ditto! A fact-supported discussion would be so much nicer. It is my understanding that when Apollo lost its funding, oodles of relics entered the private domain and there wasn't much ado about it - rather, a tacit acceptance and a party atmosphere pervaded in the wake of Moonphoria and non had any scientific value at the time. Where are the retroactive vigorous sting operations hunting down these national treasures? I am sure the same laws, whatever they might be, cover them. Post-facto contrived rules are a violation which seems to date to the Magna Carta and any remotely civilized society. All material loaned or provided in exchange for analyses to be done which is covered by modern agreements (as Jeff alludes to) has a clear paper trail, but there are the nonsensical cases like tape on the Hasselblad magazines demonstrate how ludicrous things can become for reasons foreign to science and domestic to collectors willingness to pay. I take my place behind the line of those who have already pointed this out. Moon specimens that were incidental and innocuous gifts of questionable or no value at the time seem to have taken a special place. But, there are other exceptions as well. As I peruse the aisles of the gift shop at KSC I am tempted to buy a Space Shuttle heat tile. Yet NASA has allegedly gone on record saying that it will not dispose of them by sale to the public (reason: we could be liable for unintended harm they might cause). Rumor has it that the Soviet Buran tiles are more interesting to collect and Russia has no such hang ups over them, so I'll hold out for one of them. If I had an American one it would not be satisfying in present company. I couldn't freely share it with my international friends without risking being thrown in jail for providing sensitive military secrets to other nations... at least that is the rumor on how it was for a long time ... There is a clear demonstration of double standard and a willingness to invent retroactive laws, which should be prohibited constitutionally, but the American system separates the judicial and that makes legislation from the bench a convenient option in cases like this. How frustrating for Mr. Rosen, the guy who bought the gifted moon rock from a Honduran official for a large sum of money. The government simply snatched it from him and it was not because the Hondurans filed a claim. If he had been compensated for his recovery of the specimen it would be different in my view. But the way it went down, there is reason to be wary of the court's freeloading and arbitrary mindset in these cases. It is quite removed from science and boils down to politics and setting cruel and unusual precedents at the expense of citizens for prior shoddy control practices. Mr. Rosen, the owner at the time of the Moon rock was never charged with any criminal activity - they just took the rock plaque and left him to brood. If they could have charged him I sort of think they would have given the zest to make examples out of people. But they got what they wanted - a precedent of no-ownership when before there was none to my knowledge. I would point out that this nonsensical legal gymnastic that seems to have developed ought to be applied to each and every scientist in the United States that is on any payroll or grant for a project who supposedly buys specimens in his free time. How different is such piggybacking from the microgram residues on a piece of tape out of a camera? How did Dr. King amass that huge
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...and, Hi Mike too, nice to hear from you - not exactly back, just blowing a bit of steam from my pressure cooker and showing my e-face; $50 on eBay will get you an authentic Buran brick (just search for tile buran), like this: ttp://www.buran-energia.com/boutique-shop/product_info.php?products_id=36 Very cool - Well worth it if you like space nostalgia Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net To: 'Michael Gilmer' meteoritem...@gmail.com; 'MexicoDoug' mexicod...@aim.com Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sun, Jun 26, 2011 11:26 am Subject: RE: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust http://www.thespaceshop.com/shuttilin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:20 AM To: MexicoDoug Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Hi Doug and List, Doug - it is great to see you posting again. I have missed your insights. :) They are selling heat tiles from the shuttles at KSC? I didn't know that, and I want one! I've been meaning to acquire some more space-related items - aerogel, heat shield tiles, etc. Do they have a website where I can order the tiles, or do I need to visit the gift shop in person? Best regards, MikeG PS - is there somewhere online to buy the Russian tiles also? -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: JG wrote to MG: What law are you talking about? Ditto! A fact-supported discussion would be so much nicer. It is my understanding that when Apollo lost its funding, oodles of relics entered the private domain and there wasn't much ado about it - rather, a tacit acceptance and a party atmosphere pervaded in the wake of Moonphoria and non had any scientific value at the time. Where are the retroactive vigorous sting operations hunting down these national treasures? I am sure the same laws, whatever they might be, cover them. Post-facto contrived rules are a violation which seems to date to the Magna Carta and any remotely civilized society. All material loaned or provided in exchange for analyses to be done which is covered by modern agreements (as Jeff alludes to) has a clear paper trail, but there are the nonsensical cases like tape on the Hasselblad magazines demonstrate how ludicrous things can become for reasons foreign to science and domestic to collectors willingness to pay. I take my place behind the line of those who have already pointed this out. Moon specimens that were incidental and innocuous gifts of questionable or no value at the time seem to have taken a special place. But, there are other exceptions as well. As I peruse the aisles of the gift shop at KSC I am tempted to buy a Space Shuttle heat tile. Yet NASA has allegedly gone on record saying that it will not dispose of them by sale to the public (reason: we could be liable for unintended harm they might cause). Rumor has it that the Soviet Buran tiles are more interesting to collect and Russia has no such hang ups over them, so I'll hold out for one of them. If I had an American one it would not be satisfying in present company. I couldn't freely share it with my international friends without risking being thrown in jail for providing sensitive military secrets to other nations... at least that is the rumor on how it was for a long time ... There is a clear demonstration of double standard and a willingness to invent retroactive laws, which should be prohibited constitutionally, but the American system separates the judicial and that makes legislation from the bench a convenient option in cases like this. How frustrating for Mr. Rosen, the guy who bought the gifted moon rock from a Honduran official for a large sum of money. The government simply snatched it from him and it was not because the Hondurans filed a claim. If he had been compensated for his recovery of the specimen it would be different in my view. But the way it went down, there is reason to be wary of the court's freeloading and arbitrary mindset in these cases. It is quite removed from science and boils down to politics and setting cruel and unusual precedents at the expense of citizens for prior shoddy control practices. Mr. Rosen, the owner at the time of the Moon rock was never charged with any criminal activity - they just took the rock plaque and left him to brood. If they could have
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
This dust seems like a problem http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15607792/ -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Martin Altmann Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 5:31 PM To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Well, look what Slezak has here on his fingers! (photo courtesy: NASA). That's what the big gooseberry season story is about. http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?photoId=S69-40054 The Slezaktape story is well documented, publically known for decades now. No idea, how one can speak then from smuggling or even black market. Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used Well, in this case it's the simple question how long they have been used. Florian, who acquired the scotch tape, told, that when Slezak put the strip of tape on the poster to remember in 1969/1970 no regulations concerning the Apollo materials existed, the first ones came into effect in August 1972. If it's so - then: Newspaper had its story, attorney his publicity on TV... and because Ex post facto, the widow should get her dust grains back. If it's not so, FBI has to throw Slezak and btw. Alan Bean, who used lunar dust from his mission patches in his paintings into jail. Anyway, these contaminated few single particles of dust, are compared to the Apollo rocks research has at hand of no scientific interest. Hence I think, that tax-money spent for that nuisance should have been better spent for the acquisition of more samples of lunar meteorites for NASA diversifying their lunar materials reservoir. Ah here are some of Bean's paintings. http://www.alanbean.com/available_originals.cfm Hmm, they are quite bit more expensive than the tape-snippet...therefore don't show them to the U.S. attorney's office in St.Louis! When the Moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's ammmooo. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011 01:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust [This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect any kind of official position by NASA] If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used at NASA, and I'm pretty sure most official samples in the past have had paperwork such as this accompanying them. I don't know what kind of variability of terms there have been in these agreements, but I'm confident that, whatever they say, they are legally binding on the recipients who sign them. I don't understand why people would be surprised that material of any value removed from a federal facility without permission might be subject to scrutiny. This sounds like theft to me, and doesn't seem to require any special law pertaining to the specific material. So, I don't understand the comment about self-proclaimed laws. Even if there is no cover-up of the removal or subsequent sale, that does not necessarily make it legal. I think the legal issue might come down to whether or not the remover had permission, either expressed or implied. Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Blaine Reed had an actual shuttle tile in his room at the Gem show. I don't recall the price. This was a real actual tile with numbers on it indicating where it went on the shuttle not just the material used to make real tiles as indicated on this web site. Blaine's was significantly more expensive because it was real but, I don't think it was flown in space. I was able to hold it. It weighs almost nothing. It feels like you are holding chalk, NOT ceramic tile. Carl Meteoritemax . -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. John.L.Cabassi j...@cabassi.net wrote: http://www.thespaceshop.com/shuttilin.html -Original Message- From: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] On Behalf Of Michael Gilmer Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2011 8:20 AM To: MexicoDoug Cc: Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Hi Doug and List, Doug - it is great to see you posting again. I have missed your insights. :) They are selling heat tiles from the shuttles at KSC? I didn't know that, and I want one! I've been meaning to acquire some more space-related items - aerogel, heat shield tiles, etc. Do they have a website where I can order the tiles, or do I need to visit the gift shop in person? Best regards, MikeG PS - is there somewhere online to buy the Russian tiles also? -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, MexicoDoug mexicod...@aim.com wrote: JG wrote to MG: What law are you talking about? Ditto! A fact-supported discussion would be so much nicer. It is my understanding that when Apollo lost its funding, oodles of relics entered the private domain and there wasn't much ado about it - rather, a tacit acceptance and a party atmosphere pervaded in the wake of Moonphoria and non had any scientific value at the time. Where are the retroactive vigorous sting operations hunting down these national treasures? I am sure the same laws, whatever they might be, cover them. Post-facto contrived rules are a violation which seems to date to the Magna Carta and any remotely civilized society. All material loaned or provided in exchange for analyses to be done which is covered by modern agreements (as Jeff alludes to) has a clear paper trail, but there are the nonsensical cases like tape on the Hasselblad magazines demonstrate how ludicrous things can become for reasons foreign to science and domestic to collectors willingness to pay. I take my place behind the line of those who have already pointed this out. Moon specimens that were incidental and innocuous gifts of questionable or no value at the time seem to have taken a special place. But, there are other exceptions as well. As I peruse the aisles of the gift shop at KSC I am tempted to buy a Space Shuttle heat tile. Yet NASA has allegedly gone on record saying that it will not dispose of them by sale to the public (reason: we could be liable for unintended harm they might cause). Rumor has it that the Soviet Buran tiles are more interesting to collect and Russia has no such hang ups over them, so I'll hold out for one of them. If I had an American one it would not be satisfying in present company. I couldn't freely share it with my international friends without risking being thrown in jail for providing sensitive military secrets to other nations... at least that is the rumor on how it was for a long time ... There is a clear demonstration of double standard and a willingness to invent retroactive laws, which should be prohibited constitutionally, but the American system separates the judicial and that makes legislation from the bench a convenient option in cases like this. How frustrating for Mr. Rosen, the guy who bought the gifted moon rock from a Honduran official for a large sum of money. The government simply snatched it from him and it was not because the Hondurans filed a claim. If he had been compensated for his recovery of the specimen it would be different in my view. But the way it went down, there is reason to be wary of the court's freeloading and arbitrary mindset in these cases. It is quite removed from science and boils down to politics and setting cruel
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Phil, Yes it was and still is legal... At least until this agent decided to act. Florian Noller at Spaceflori.com has been selling this openly for TEN YEARS. And not on the Black Market Mr Noller purchased that strip of tape and other space related items in widely publicised space memorabilia auction in Germany in 2001. NASA was aware of it then, did an investigation of it and it was of no consequence then,and the auction proceeded without this tape being confiscated or the auction of it halted. Spaceflori.com sold tiny triangles of it, hundreds of them over the last 10 years, and these were even advertised openly at Collectspace.com. See: http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000588.html In fact if you go there and do a search of their archives, and forums you will see as of last year these exact Apollo 11 Moon Tape swatches were being sold and traded by members of those forums. It was never a Black Market or under the table operation. as is widely reported in the viral Intent news stories, NY Times in particular. Why the fuss now?.. Makes me wonder if some official is attempting to justify his job. Make a big splash over nothing... All to make a point.. And maybe make a precedent over nothing. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 [meteorite-list] Moon Dust JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:53:32 EDT 2011 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust * Next message: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3341/4e057e7faa8467063st04duc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Steve, Phil, List, This is an incredible waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how many tens of thousands of dollars these investigations cost? Is it really worth a ton of public money to recover a few milligrams of lunar dust? Afterall, NASA has kilos of this stuff under lock and key. It's not like science is suffering because someone is offering a piece of dusty tape on auction. This is yet another example of government idiocy, backwards priorities, and frivolous spending of taxpayer money. The agents involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should spend their time looking for real criminals. I'd love to have some of Florian's tape, and if I will buy some if I can ever afford it. And I invite the feds to come and try to take it. Notice I said try, because it will take a Seal Team to retrieve it from my possession. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Phil, Yes it was and still is legal... At least until this agent decided to act. Florian Noller at Spaceflori.com has been selling this openly for TEN YEARS. And not on the Black Market Mr Noller purchased that strip of tape and other space related items in widely publicised space memorabilia auction in Germany in 2001. NASA was aware of it then, did an investigation of it and it was of no consequence then,and the auction proceeded without this tape being confiscated or the auction of it halted. Spaceflori.com sold tiny triangles of it, hundreds of them over the last 10 years, and these were even advertised openly at Collectspace.com. See: http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000588.html In fact if you go there and do a search of their archives, and forums you will see as of last year these exact Apollo 11 Moon Tape swatches were being sold and traded by members of those forums. It was never a Black Market or under the table operation. as is widely reported in the viral Intent news stories, NY Times in particular. Why the fuss now?.. Makes me wonder if some official is attempting to justify his job. Make a big splash over nothing... All to make a point.. And maybe make a precedent over nothing. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 [meteorite-list] Moon Dust JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:53:32 EDT 2011 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust * Next message: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3341/4e057e7faa8467063st04duc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Let the media or feds chew on this: http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-b.jpg If anybody is interested, this real Moon dust is available. There is enough to make your own boot impression. The news media is stupid, especially the New York Times! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Adam, Finally - enough moon dust to make a big batch of pancakes! I'll bring real maple syrup from Minnesota. Bob On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Let the media or feds chew on this: http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-b.jpg If anybody is interested, this real Moon dust is available. There is enough to make your own boot impression. The news media is stupid, especially the New York Times! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Better yet! Gold Basin Cake! With Moon dust Icing!!! Dennis Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 10:44:52 -0500 From: nightsk...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Hi Adam, Finally - enough moon dust to make a big batch of pancakes! I'll bring real maple syrup from Minnesota. Bob On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Adam Hupe raremeteori...@yahoo.com wrote: Let the media or feds chew on this: http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-a.jpg http://themeteoritesite.com/DUST-b.jpg If anybody is interested, this real Moon dust is available. There is enough to make your own boot impression. The news media is stupid, especially the New York Times! Adam __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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At least the NY Times dug a little further and contacted Slezak: The history of the tape and the dust was never much of a mystery, though. Terry Slezak, who now lives in Boerne, Tex., was a photographer in charge of processing the film brought back from the moon landings. When he opened one of the canisters, dust spilled out and coated his hands. In a telephone interview Thursday, he said he remembered carefully cleaning the film magazine with towels and tape to prevent the dust from scratching the film. He then hung the tape in his darkroom. Later, presented with a poster board of photographs signed by the Apollo 11 astronauts, “I added the little piece of Scotch tape with the moon dust on it,” he said. “I thought that would be kind of neat.” Mr. Slezak said that no one from NASA or law enforcement had ever questioned him about the tape, even when he sold the poster at an auction in 2001. A German collector of space memorabilia bought the poster — including the dusty tape, which was about an inch long and was subsequently cut into smaller pieces and sold. Mr. Slezak was a bit surprised to hear of the legal hubbub. “I haven’t seen or heard tell of this thing for a long time,” he said. -Yinan On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: All the AP people, or whoever wrote the original article, had to do was add the simple caveat that all non-Antarctic lunar meteorites and meteoritical materials are perfectly legal to possess, buy and sell. A simple distinction between the legality of non-Antactic lunar meteorites and the illegality of NASA moon rocks would have done it. These people are, after all, journalism majors, unschooled in the esoteric, highly specialized field of meteoritics. Returning to the gist of the thread, it looks like the Feds and NASA are cracking down on the private possession of lunar dust retrieved from space paraphenalia. NASA workers regularly used strips of tape to clean lunar dust off space suits before they were returned to their manufacturer for inspection and repair. The Slezak lunar dust and other dust collected by Florian Noller from a moon bag carried on Apollo 16 has been in a gray area, apparently up until now. Unless the Feds are talking about some of the smuggled dust from the space suits. Sounds like they're talking about the Slezak dust which Noller has openly sold in the past. I think he was taken in for questioning and maybe charged but it came to nothing and he kept the dust. Looks like now they want all the dust for themselves. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Rafael, I do not know for certain that owning Apollo moon dust is illegal. In fact, I think samples such as Florian's tape specimens are or should be legal. Up until recently, I just assumed that they were. The fact that law enforcement has stepped in and is actively pursuing these samples at least gives the impression that law enforcement thinks it is illegal. I am not an attorney, nor have I worked for NASA or government. But, it seems to be commonly-accepted wisdom that owning NASA-sourced samples is a no-no. When the US government handed out moon rocks to other governments, some of these eventually found their way onto the private market. There was at least one publicized case where the sample was confiscated and returned. So whether it is legal or not, the current modus-operandi of law enforcement is to harass and prosecute owners of such samples as soon as they are discovered. In the case where a NASA intern stole a sample from JSC, he was prosecuted and rightfully so. But, I do not agree with people being harassed or arrested for trading tiny pieces of tape with a milligram of dust on them - that is silly and a waste of taxpayer money. You won't get any argument from me about that. :) Law-enforcement is not infallible and the make mistakes all the time. Just because someone is arrested for something, doesn't mean it is illegal. But, the fact that people are being harassed for this now, would make me think twice about trading in this material until the legal questions are resolved. Best regards, MikeG PS - nobody is going to lose this debate, because in my case, you are preaching to the choir! :) -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - I ask to Michael Gilbert (Galactic Stone), can you tell me exactly *(Date)* *which* law prohibits individuals to have samples of lunar rocks brought by NASA. This is something I would like to know as well, and if anyone can answer this definitively, I am anxious to hear it. On 6/25/11, Rafael Navarro rafael.navar...@gmail.com wrote: Well ,Michael Blood you can not talk about the speck in your brother's eye, when you do not see the beam in yours, (the eyes not see to inward). I had the suspicion that NASA gave lunar rock samples (Apollo 11) without having studied, hize a research about it and wanted to share my findings with members of Met-list, but the editors of the list, censored my posts by be suspect and out of place. *Definitely, the ignorance is bold.* I ask to Michael Gilbert (Galactic Stone), can you tell me exactly *(Date)* *which* law prohibits individuals to have samples of lunar rocks brought by NASA. Or you only repeat those words because you've heard to someone say it? Also, you believe that among all the samples collected on the moon only arrived two microscopic meteorites? You believe everything what others say? You know something about it, or also repeat this like a parrot ? *Yes in truth, It is terrifying! They are EVERYWHERE!* * * Rafael Navarro *PD : *And do not worry about answering;I know that you will do not. I suspect that you are smart enough not to continue a discussion that you are not sure of winning. * * * * __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Now this story is on CNN (Communist News Network)for all to see. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/06/25/mo.stolen.moon.dust.ksdk?hpt=hp_c2 Amazing lies. Terry Slezak should sue for defamation of character, being accused of theft of a so called National Treasure, 42 years later. When all the while this 1 piece of tape he OPENLY sold 10 years ago in a major auction of space artifacts, was then cut into maybe 250 tiny wedges by its buyer Florian Noller, and OPENLY sold world wide since that time even till now, sans the so called Black Market This aged Missouri Prosecutor needs to find the real Black Market traders, like the drug lords that currently fill St. Louis, or seek another job. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 -- Original Message -- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:37:17 -0400 Hi Steve, Phil, List, This is an incredible waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how many tens of thousands of dollars these investigations cost? Is it really worth a ton of public money to recover a few milligrams of lunar dust? Afterall, NASA has kilos of this stuff under lock and key. It's not like science is suffering because someone is offering a piece of dusty tape on auction. This is yet another example of government idiocy, backwards priorities, and frivolous spending of taxpayer money. The agents involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should spend their time looking for real criminals. I'd love to have some of Florian's tape, and if I will buy some if I can ever afford it. And I invite the feds to come and try to take it. Notice I said try, because it will take a Seal Team to retrieve it from my possession. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Phil, Yes it was and still is legal... At least until this agent decided to act. Florian Noller at Spaceflori.com has been selling this openly for TEN YEARS. And not on the Black Market Mr Noller purchased that strip of tape and other space related items in widely publicised space memorabilia auction in Germany in 2001. NASA was aware of it then, did an investigation of it and it was of no consequence then,and the auction proceeded without this tape being confiscated or the auction of it halted. Spaceflori.com sold tiny triangles of it, hundreds of them over the last 10 years, and these were even advertised openly at Collectspace.com. See: http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000588.html In fact if you go there and do a search of their archives, and forums you will see as of last year these exact Apollo 11 Moon Tape swatches were being sold and traded by members of those forums. It was never a Black Market or under the table operation. as is widely reported in the viral Intent news stories, NY Times in particular. Why the fuss now?.. Makes me wonder if some official is attempting to justify his job. Make a big splash over nothing... All to make a point.. And maybe make a precedent over nothing. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 [meteorite-list] Moon Dust JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemuseum at embarqmail.com Thu Jun 23 19:53:32 EDT 2011 * Previous message: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust * Next message: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer Penny Stock Jumping 3000% Sign up to the #1 voted penny stock newsletter for free today! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL3341/4e057e7faa8467063st04duc __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Welcome to America, where it's ok to lie (about meteorites, or wars even), but text a picture of your anatomy consensually to one person and it's a national scandal and they're calling for your resignation. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM, John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com wrote: Journalistic integrityis an Oxymoron John - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Sad. And it confirms that the media deserves it's spot in the Meteorite Hall of Shame. The rarest thing on Earth - meteorites? No, it's journalistic integrity. Last time I checked, journalistic integrity is selling for $20,000,000/gram. News is no longer meant to inform, it's packaged to sell advertising. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Now this story is on CNN (Communist News Network)for all to see. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/06/25/mo.stolen.moon.dust.ksdk?hpt=hp_c2 Amazing lies. Terry Slezak should sue for defamation of character, being accused of theft of a so called National Treasure, 42 years later. When all the while this 1 piece of tape he OPENLY sold 10 years ago in a major auction of space artifacts, was then cut into maybe 250 tiny wedges by its buyer Florian Noller, and OPENLY sold world wide since that time even till now, sans the so called Black Market This aged Missouri Prosecutor needs to find the real Black Market traders, like the drug lords that currently fill St. Louis, or seek another job. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 -- Original Message -- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:37:17 -0400 Hi Steve, Phil, List, This is an incredible waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how many tens of thousands of dollars these investigations cost? Is it really worth a ton of public money to recover a few milligrams of lunar dust? Afterall, NASA has kilos of this stuff under lock and key. It's not like science is suffering because someone is offering a piece of dusty tape on auction. This is yet another example of government idiocy, backwards priorities, and frivolous spending of taxpayer money. The agents involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should spend their time looking for real criminals. I'd love to have some of Florian's tape, and if I will buy some if I can ever afford it. And I invite the feds to come and try to take it. Notice I said try, because it will take a Seal Team to retrieve it from my possession. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Phil, Yes it was and still is legal... At least until this agent decided to act. Florian Noller at Spaceflori.com has been selling this openly for TEN YEARS. And not on the Black Market Mr Noller purchased that strip of tape and other space related items in widely publicised space memorabilia auction in Germany in 2001. NASA was aware of it then, did an investigation of it and it was of no consequence then,and the auction proceeded without this tape being confiscated or the auction of it halted. Spaceflori.com sold tiny triangles of it, hundreds of them over the last 10 years, and these were even advertised openly at Collectspace.com. See: http://www.collectspace.com/ubb/Forum24/HTML/000588.html In fact if you go there and do a search of their archives, and forums you will see as of last year these exact Apollo 11 Moon Tape swatches were being sold and traded by members of those forums. It was never a Black Market or under the table operation. as is widely reported in the viral Intent news stories, NY Times in particular. Why
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Isn't this thread becoming a little ridiculous? From: mikest...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 14:36:39 -0700 To: j...@hc.fdn.com CC: scho...@mybluelight.com; meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Welcome to America, where it's ok to lie (about meteorites, or wars even), but text a picture of your anatomy consensually to one person and it's a national scandal and they're calling for your resignation. -Michael in so. Cal. On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 1:44 PM, John Lutzon j...@hc.fdn.com wrote: Journalistic integrityis an Oxymoron John - Original Message - From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 4:22 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Sad. And it confirms that the media deserves it's spot in the Meteorite Hall of Shame. The rarest thing on Earth - meteorites? No, it's journalistic integrity. Last time I checked, journalistic integrity is selling for $20,000,000/gram. News is no longer meant to inform, it's packaged to sell advertising. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Now this story is on CNN (Communist News Network)for all to see. http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2011/06/25/mo.stolen.moon.dust.ksdk?hpt=hp_c2 Amazing lies. Terry Slezak should sue for defamation of character, being accused of theft of a so called National Treasure, 42 years later. When all the while this 1 piece of tape he OPENLY sold 10 years ago in a major auction of space artifacts, was then cut into maybe 250 tiny wedges by its buyer Florian Noller, and OPENLY sold world wide since that time even till now, sans the so called Black Market This aged Missouri Prosecutor needs to find the real Black Market traders, like the drug lords that currently fill St. Louis, or seek another job. Steve Schoner IMCA #4470 -- Original Message -- From: Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com To: Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 09:37:17 -0400 Hi Steve, Phil, List, This is an incredible waste of taxpayer funds. I wonder how many tens of thousands of dollars these investigations cost? Is it really worth a ton of public money to recover a few milligrams of lunar dust? Afterall, NASA has kilos of this stuff under lock and key. It's not like science is suffering because someone is offering a piece of dusty tape on auction. This is yet another example of government idiocy, backwards priorities, and frivolous spending of taxpayer money. The agents involved should be ashamed of themselves and they should spend their time looking for real criminals. I'd love to have some of Florian's tape, and if I will buy some if I can ever afford it. And I invite the feds to come and try to take it. Notice I said try, because it will take a Seal Team to retrieve it from my possession. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Steve Schoner scho...@mybluelight.com wrote: Phil, Yes it was and still is legal... At least until this agent decided to act. Florian Noller at Spaceflori.com has been selling this openly for TEN YEARS. And not on the Black Market Mr Noller purchased that strip of tape and other space related items in widely publicised space memorabilia auction in Germany in 2001. NASA was aware of it then, did an investigation of it and it was of no consequence then,and the auction proceeded without this tape being confiscated or the auction of it halted. Spaceflori.com sold tiny triangles of it, hundreds of them over the last 10 years, and these were even advertised openly at Collectspace.com. See
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Michael, Rafael, List, Is it possible NASA has it's own people (police) enforcing this self proclaimed laws against owning material. Or is their a congressional order making this material illegal after the fact? After is was given away as trophies. This method of self enforcement seems to work well for another Federal agency known as the IRS. They have their own set of rules and also self enforce their own rules with their own enforcement people without do process of the law. I ask because as I have said before on this list; I have seen and held and actual piece of the moon that was returned from the Apollo missions. A friend brought it over to my home. I did not think to photograph it at the time but it was about a 5 gram fragment encased in resin and it had a presentation plaque right on it that stated it was an actual piece of the moon returned from an Apollo mission. It did not say it was a facsimile of the moon but a real piece. This was given to one of the bosses at one of the aerospace companies that built the ships for the missions. He has since passed away but, retired from Raytheon right here in Tucson and it was shown to me by his grandson. Out of fear from this story surfacing a couple of years ago he now refuses to show it to me again until this is cleared up. He too has not been able to find any written evidence that NASA has the legal right to confiscate this material. If memory serves me correctly, The past article stated that this material was only on loan to these lucky recipients but, it is to be returned upon their death. The piece I saw did not say that it was on loan anywhere on the [piece itself. So, again, my question is. Do these NASA folks or congress actually have any of this ownership business in writing any where we could see it? Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rafael, I do not know for certain that owning Apollo moon dust is illegal. In fact, I think samples such as Florian's tape specimens are or should be legal. Up until recently, I just assumed that they were. The fact that law enforcement has stepped in and is actively pursuing these samples at least gives the impression that law enforcement thinks it is illegal. I am not an attorney, nor have I worked for NASA or government. But, it seems to be commonly-accepted wisdom that owning NASA-sourced samples is a no-no. When the US government handed out moon rocks to other governments, some of these eventually found their way onto the private market. There was at least one publicized case where the sample was confiscated and returned. So whether it is legal or not, the current modus-operandi of law enforcement is to harass and prosecute owners of such samples as soon as they are discovered. In the case where a NASA intern stole a sample from JSC, he was prosecuted and rightfully so. But, I do not agree with people being harassed or arrested for trading tiny pieces of tape with a milligram of dust on them - that is silly and a waste of taxpayer money. You won't get any argument from me about that. :) Law-enforcement is not infallible and the make mistakes all the time. Just because someone is arrested for something, doesn't mean it is illegal. But, the fact that people are being harassed for this now, would make me think twice about trading in this material until the legal questions are resolved. Best regards, MikeG PS - nobody is going to lose this debate, because in my case, you are preaching to the choir! :) -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - I ask to Michael Gilbert (Galactic Stone), can you tell me exactly *(Date)* *which* law prohibits individuals to have samples of lunar rocks brought by NASA. This is something I would like to know as well, and if anyone can answer this definitively, I am anxious to hear it. On 6/25/11, Rafael Navarro rafael.navar...@gmail.com wrote: Well ,Michael Blood you can not talk about the speck in your brother's eye, when you do not see the beam in yours, (the eyes not see to inward). I had the suspicion that NASA gave lunar rock samples (Apollo 11) without having studied, hize a research about it and wanted to share my findings with members of Met-list, but the editors of the list, censored my posts by
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Rafael, Please stop sending me frantic bolded emails full of confusing text. I have no dog in this fight and I am not debating you. You are preaching to the choir and seem to have some issue with me. I don't know you and I am not disagreeing with you. I am the 10,000th person to say what I said in my original post. I'm not the first person to say it and I'm certainly not the most important person to say it. Why you have singled me out for your attention is beyond me. You have nothing to prove to me and I have nothing to prove to you. If you have an issue with the legality of certain meteoritic specimens, I suggest that you contact NASA, law enforcement, the IMCA, the Meteoritical Society, or one of the sellers/owners of the dusty tape in question. I can do nothing for you. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Rafael Navarro rafael.navar...@gmail.com wrote: Dear boy, NOT is matter you win or lose ... just about knowledge. You can live to be one of the bunch ... or be special even though it seems one of the bunch. The difference is inside, in your head, in your soul, you can understand? You don't must to have a college degree ... just investigate , think. Do not to believe whole what others tell you. In the case where a NASA intern stole a sample from JSC, he was prosecuted and rightfully so. *Sure this is a intent stolen.* *That is illegal.* *What I am saying is that NASA gave lunar rock samples brought to Earth by the Apollo 11 mission without having studied it and does not want this fact be known to the public. I think I can prove this.O.K. * * Maybe you want read. * * * *ABOUT SANTA CLAUS , METEORITES AND MOON-ROCKS* * * * * *This is written to teach the younger generation to not swallow without chewing enough.* * * *This is one of those stories that people don’t like to read if they never want to admit they have ever been deceived, and they do not want to accept it because it would make them feel like fools, and this makes me remember the history of Santa.* *My parents raised me with the belief that Santa would bring.* *Until one time when I turned 12 years old...my father told me the truth and gave me the gifts that He had bought for me.- At that time, I felt something rare ... but...actually I had already begun to suspect.* *Then the lack of maturity, or perhaps the desire to feel like an adult gave me the desire to share the information that I had received with smaller boys and then to my surprise and satisfaction I saw that some did not want to believe what I was saying .-* *Now I am aware , really: Nobody is blinder than he who will not see.* *The innocence in a child is beautiful, but in an adult is just ugly ignorance ... and that reminds me:'Youth is a disease that is cured with the years ... but some people do not heal ever because ...or are so stupid that definitely they can not be cured(I hope some young genius no be offended.)* * * *Before you go ahead reading please keep in mind that: 'The reality goes far beyond any imagination.'* * * * Some data CURIOSOS.-About Moonrock NASA has long tried to hide the delivery of the moon-rock Apollo 11, why? ... Because they were given away without being studied or classified, even arrange the handover of March 21, 1973 at a ceremony very well assembled, which was given much publicity to try below it to camouflage the delivery previous of moon- rocks . What else could be the reason for this second? *But read this article published by AP about what happened in Holland. NASA turned over the samples to the State Department to distribute, said Jennifer Ross-Nazzal, a NASA historian, in an e-mailer response to questions. We Do not Have Any records about When the rocks and to Whom Were Given. The Office of the Historian does not keep records of what Became of the moon rocks, and to my Knowledge, There Is That entity no one does so, emailed Tiffany Hamelin, the State Department historian. Summarizing the issue: All the Goodwill Moonrock that were delivered on 21 Marzo/73 were part of the sample # 70017 .- Each presentation included 0.05 grams of dust (encased in lucite) retrieved by the Apollo 17 astronauts, as well as a flag of the nation recipient carried aboard the mission. (Collect Space) But rocks that were delivered Nov./69 ; *as personal gifts* were not dust of 0.05 grams, or
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Hello all! Did a simple search in the eCFR's for the USA. I searched LUNAR. 12 hits. No law about owning anything LUNAR popped up. I searched Moon. 126 hits. No law about owning anything related to moon popped up. While I was at it, I search METEORITE. 7 hits. Some good info, in general, on handling meteorites! FYI Cheers! Jim Wooddell __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Are you trying to get my Gold Basin cake confiscated? Twink - Original Message - From: Dennis Miller astror...@hotmail.com Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 9:25 AM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Better yet! Gold Basin Cake! With Moon dust Icing!!! Dennis __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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[This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect any kind of official position by NASA] If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used at NASA, and I'm pretty sure most official samples in the past have had paperwork such as this accompanying them. I don't know what kind of variability of terms there have been in these agreements, but I'm confident that, whatever they say, they are legally binding on the recipients who sign them. I don't understand why people would be surprised that material of any value removed from a federal facility without permission might be subject to scrutiny. This sounds like theft to me, and doesn't seem to require any special law pertaining to the specific material. So, I don't understand the comment about self-proclaimed laws. Even if there is no cover-up of the removal or subsequent sale, that does not necessarily make it legal. I think the legal issue might come down to whether or not the remover had permission, either expressed or implied. Jeff On 6/25/2011 3:08 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Michael, Rafael, List, Is it possible NASA has it's own people (police) enforcing this self proclaimed laws against owning material. Or is their a congressional order making this material illegal after the fact? After is was given away as trophies. This method of self enforcement seems to work well for another Federal agency known as the IRS. They have their own set of rules and also self enforce their own rules with their own enforcement people without do process of the law. I ask because as I have said before on this list; I have seen and held and actual piece of the moon that was returned from the Apollo missions. A friend brought it over to my home. I did not think to photograph it at the time but it was about a 5 gram fragment encased in resin and it had a presentation plaque right on it that stated it was an actual piece of the moon returned from an Apollo mission. It did not say it was a facsimile of the moon but a real piece. This was given to one of the bosses at one of the aerospace companies that built the ships for the missions. He has since passed away but, retired from Raytheon right here in Tucson and it was shown to me by his grandson. Out of fear from this story surfacing a couple of years ago he now refuses to show it to me again until this is cleared up. He too has not been able to find any written evidence that NASA has the legal right to confiscate this material. If memory serves me correctly, The past article stated that this material was only on loan to these lucky recipients but, it is to be returned upon their death. The piece I saw did not say that it was on loan anywhere on the [piece itself. So, again, my question is. Do these NASA folks or congress actually have any of this ownership business in writing any where we could see it? Carl -- Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. Michael Gilmermeteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Rafael, I do not know for certain that owning Apollo moon dust is illegal. In fact, I think samples such as Florian's tape specimens are or should be legal. Up until recently, I just assumed that they were. The fact that law enforcement has stepped in and is actively pursuing these samples at least gives the impression that law enforcement thinks it is illegal. I am not an attorney, nor have I worked for NASA or government. But, it seems to be commonly-accepted wisdom that owning NASA-sourced samples is a no-no. When the US government handed out moon rocks to other governments, some of these eventually found their way onto the private market. There was at least one publicized case where the sample was confiscated and returned. So whether it is legal or not, the current modus-operandi of law enforcement is to harass and prosecute owners of such samples as soon as they are discovered. In the case where a NASA intern stole a sample from JSC, he was prosecuted and rightfully so. But, I do not agree with people being harassed or arrested for trading tiny pieces of tape with a milligram of dust on them - that is silly and a waste of taxpayer money. You won't get any argument from me about that. :) Law-enforcement is not infallible and the make mistakes all the time. Just because someone is arrested for something, doesn't mean it is illegal. But, the fact that people are being harassed for this now, would make me think twice about trading in this material until the legal questions are resolved. Best regards, MikeG PS - nobody is going to lose this debate, because in my case, you are preaching to the choir! :) -- - Galactic Stone
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Hi Jeff and List, What strikes me here is that NASA has 842 pounds of lunar material and they are apparently bent out shape over a few milligrams of dust clinging to a piece of scotch tape. It's absolutely silly and it speaks of skewed priorities. It was mentioned to me in private email by a respected list member that the NASA samples in question were not addressed by the law until 1972. If that is true, then it seems to me that any sample removed legally prior to that date would be grand-fathered in as legal. A relevant example would be trinitite. Trinitite removed before the law specifically addressed it is legal. However, going to the site now and removing trinitite is illegal. Another example would be Canyon Diablo iron meteorites - those CD meteorites removed before the prohibition are legal. Those removed today are illegal because one must trespass to get them. The devil is in the details - how does one distinguish a legal Diablo meteorite from an illegal one? And how would one determine a legal piece of dusty tape from an illegal one? ATTENTION GOVERNMENT - STOP PISSING AWAY OUR TAX MONEY CHASING AFTER DUSTY TAPE! Instead, here are some suggestions for using our tax money - build homes for the homeless, feed the hungry, offer medical care to the sick, create jobs for the unemployed, fund the sciences, or any number of things that are more important than dusty tape. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/25/11, Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com wrote: [This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect any kind of official position by NASA] If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used at NASA, and I'm pretty sure most official samples in the past have had paperwork such as this accompanying them. I don't know what kind of variability of terms there have been in these agreements, but I'm confident that, whatever they say, they are legally binding on the recipients who sign them. I don't understand why people would be surprised that material of any value removed from a federal facility without permission might be subject to scrutiny. This sounds like theft to me, and doesn't seem to require any special law pertaining to the specific material. So, I don't understand the comment about self-proclaimed laws. Even if there is no cover-up of the removal or subsequent sale, that does not necessarily make it legal. I think the legal issue might come down to whether or not the remover had permission, either expressed or implied. Jeff On 6/25/2011 3:08 PM, cdtuc...@cox.net wrote: Michael, Rafael, List, Is it possible NASA has it's own people (police) enforcing this self proclaimed laws against owning material. Or is their a congressional order making this material illegal after the fact? After is was given away as trophies. This method of self enforcement seems to work well for another Federal agency known as the IRS. They have their own set of rules and also self enforce their own rules with their own enforcement people without do process of the law. I ask because as I have said before on this list; I have seen and held and actual piece of the moon that was returned from the Apollo missions. A friend brought it over to my home. I did not think to photograph it at the time but it was about a 5 gram fragment encased in resin and it had a presentation plaque right on it that stated it was an actual piece of the moon returned from an Apollo mission. It did not say it was a facsimile of the moon but a real piece. This was given to one of the bosses at one of the aerospace companies that built the ships for the missions. He has since passed away but, retired from Raytheon right here in Tucson and it was shown to me by his grandson. Out of fear from this story surfacing a couple of years ago he now refuses to show it to me again until this is cleared up. He too has not been able to find any written evidence that NASA has the legal right to confiscate this material. If memory serves me correctly, The past article stated that this material was only on loan to these lucky recipients but, it is to be returned upon their death. The piece I saw did not say that it was on loan anywhere on the [piece itself. So, again, my question is. Do these NASA folks or congress actually have any of this ownership business in writing
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
What law are you talking about? On 6/25/2011 7:55 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Jeff and List, What strikes me here is that NASA has 842 pounds of lunar material and they are apparently bent out shape over a few milligrams of dust clinging to a piece of scotch tape. It's absolutely silly and it speaks of skewed priorities. It was mentioned to me in private email by a respected list member that the NASA samples in question were not addressed by the law until 1972. If that is true, then it seems to me that any sample removed legally prior to that date would be grand-fathered in as legal. A relevant example would be trinitite. Trinitite removed before the law specifically addressed it is legal. However, going to the site now and removing trinitite is illegal. Another example would be Canyon Diablo iron meteorites - those CD meteorites removed before the prohibition are legal. Those removed today are illegal because one must trespass to get them. The devil is in the details - how does one distinguish a legal Diablo meteorite from an illegal one? And how would one determine a legal piece of dusty tape from an illegal one? ATTENTION GOVERNMENT - STOP PISSING AWAY OUR TAX MONEY CHASING AFTER DUSTY TAPE! Instead, here are some suggestions for using our tax money - build homes for the homeless, feed the hungry, offer medical care to the sick, create jobs for the unemployed, fund the sciences, or any number of things that are more important than dusty tape. Best regards, MikeG __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Well, look what Slezak has here on his fingers! (photo courtesy: NASA). That's what the big gooseberry season story is about. http://images.jsc.nasa.gov/luceneweb/fullimage.jsp?photoId=S69-40054 The Slezaktape story is well documented, publically known for decades now. No idea, how one can speak then from smuggling or even black market. Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used Well, in this case it's the simple question how long they have been used. Florian, who acquired the scotch tape, told, that when Slezak put the strip of tape on the poster to remember in 1969/1970 no regulations concerning the Apollo materials existed, the first ones came into effect in August 1972. If it's so - then: Newspaper had its story, attorney his publicity on TV... and because Ex post facto, the widow should get her dust grains back. If it's not so, FBI has to throw Slezak and btw. Alan Bean, who used lunar dust from his mission patches in his paintings into jail. Anyway, these contaminated few single particles of dust, are compared to the Apollo rocks research has at hand of no scientific interest. Hence I think, that tax-money spent for that nuisance should have been better spent for the acquisition of more samples of lunar meteorites for NASA diversifying their lunar materials reservoir. Ah here are some of Bean's paintings. http://www.alanbean.com/available_originals.cfm Hmm, they are quite bit more expensive than the tape-snippet...therefore don't show them to the U.S. attorney's office in St.Louis! When the Moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, that's ammmooo. Martin -Ursprüngliche Nachricht- Von: meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com [mailto:meteorite-list-boun...@meteoritecentral.com] Im Auftrag von Jeff Grossman Gesendet: Sonntag, 26. Juni 2011 01:37 An: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Betreff: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust [This email was written by me as a private citizen, and does not reflect any kind of official position by NASA] If you want to see the loan agreements that are used today, please read: http://curator.jsc.nasa.gov/lunar/sampreq/LunarAllocHandbook.pdf Agreements such as the one shown here have long been used at NASA, and I'm pretty sure most official samples in the past have had paperwork such as this accompanying them. I don't know what kind of variability of terms there have been in these agreements, but I'm confident that, whatever they say, they are legally binding on the recipients who sign them. I don't understand why people would be surprised that material of any value removed from a federal facility without permission might be subject to scrutiny. This sounds like theft to me, and doesn't seem to require any special law pertaining to the specific material. So, I don't understand the comment about self-proclaimed laws. Even if there is no cover-up of the removal or subsequent sale, that does not necessarily make it legal. I think the legal issue might come down to whether or not the remover had permission, either expressed or implied. Jeff __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
JG wrote to MG: What law are you talking about? Ditto! A fact-supported discussion would be so much nicer. It is my understanding that when Apollo lost its funding, oodles of relics entered the private domain and there wasn't much ado about it - rather, a tacit acceptance and a party atmosphere pervaded in the wake of Moonphoria and non had any scientific value at the time. Where are the retroactive vigorous sting operations hunting down these national treasures? I am sure the same laws, whatever they might be, cover them. Post-facto contrived rules are a violation which seems to date to the Magna Carta and any remotely civilized society. All material loaned or provided in exchange for analyses to be done which is covered by modern agreements (as Jeff alludes to) has a clear paper trail, but there are the nonsensical cases like tape on the Hasselblad magazines demonstrate how ludicrous things can become for reasons foreign to science and domestic to collectors willingness to pay. I take my place behind the line of those who have already pointed this out. Moon specimens that were incidental and innocuous gifts of questionable or no value at the time seem to have taken a special place. But, there are other exceptions as well. As I peruse the aisles of the gift shop at KSC I am tempted to buy a Space Shuttle heat tile. Yet NASA has allegedly gone on record saying that it will not dispose of them by sale to the public (reason: we could be liable for unintended harm they might cause). Rumor has it that the Soviet Buran tiles are more interesting to collect and Russia has no such hang ups over them, so I'll hold out for one of them. If I had an American one it would not be satisfying in present company. I couldn't freely share it with my international friends without risking being thrown in jail for providing sensitive military secrets to other nations... at least that is the rumor on how it was for a long time ... There is a clear demonstration of double standard and a willingness to invent retroactive laws, which should be prohibited constitutionally, but the American system separates the judicial and that makes legislation from the bench a convenient option in cases like this. How frustrating for Mr. Rosen, the guy who bought the gifted moon rock from a Honduran official for a large sum of money. The government simply snatched it from him and it was not because the Hondurans filed a claim. If he had been compensated for his recovery of the specimen it would be different in my view. But the way it went down, there is reason to be wary of the court's freeloading and arbitrary mindset in these cases. It is quite removed from science and boils down to politics and setting cruel and unusual precedents at the expense of citizens for prior shoddy control practices. Mr. Rosen, the owner at the time of the Moon rock was never charged with any criminal activity - they just took the rock plaque and left him to brood. If they could have charged him I sort of think they would have given the zest to make examples out of people. But they got what they wanted - a precedent of no-ownership when before there was none to my knowledge. I would point out that this nonsensical legal gymnastic that seems to have developed ought to be applied to each and every scientist in the United States that is on any payroll or grant for a project who supposedly buys specimens in his free time. How different is such piggybacking from the microgram residues on a piece of tape out of a camera? How did Dr. King amass that huge personal collection on many field trips to places such as, aw, forget it. Not worth going into, it would be more counterproductive than good to go there. Best wishes Doug -Original Message- From: Jeff Grossman jngross...@gmail.com To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Sat, Jun 25, 2011 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust What law are you talking about? On 6/25/2011 7:55 PM, Michael Gilmer wrote: Hi Jeff and List, What strikes me here is that NASA has 842 pounds of lunar material and they are apparently bent out shape over a few milligrams of dust clinging to a piece of scotch tape. It's absolutely silly and it speaks of skewed priorities. It was mentioned to me in private email by a respected list member that the NASA samples in question were not addressed by the law until 1972. If that is true, then it seems to me that any sample removed legally prior to that date would be grand-fathered in as legal. A relevant example would be trinitite. Trinitite removed before the law specifically addressed it is legal. However, going to the site now and removing trinitite is illegal. Another example would be Canyon Diablo iron meteorites - those CD meteorites removed before the prohibition are legal. Those removed today are illegal because one must trespass to get them. The devil is in the details - how does
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Before people start going off on the WP and shaking their angry fists, notice that it's an AP article. Essentially someone at the Associated Press writes it, various papers subscribe to it and just pull material and publish it as filler. Yes, the WP should probably fact check the articles they pull, but like most major newspapers, they don't have the time. It's a minor human interest story that probably made page 12 of section B of the newspaper or something. -Yinan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust (The Correction button)
To List and all: Instead of using the comments section, you can use the Correction button that is on the WP article's page. Here is where the link leads: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/interactivity/corrections/ With enough corrections sent, maybe they'll realize how bad that AP article is. -Yinan On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, The WP article's comment thread is now overrun by racists with a political axe to grind and a bunch of lunar-landing conspiracy nuts. Between the racism and the ignorance, it will be impossible to post a comment that corrects any misconceptions printed in the article. I posted a comment about the legality of lunar meteorite material and it was buried under an avalanche of hillbilly racism and moon-landing nutjobbery. I cannot help but cringe for our nation when we represent ourselves in such a fashion. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/24/11, Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote: Before people start going off on the WP and shaking their angry fists, notice that it's an AP article. Essentially someone at the Associated Press writes it, various papers subscribe to it and just pull material and publish it as filler. Yes, the WP should probably fact check the articles they pull, but like most major newspapers, they don't have the time. It's a minor human interest story that probably made page 12 of section B of the newspaper or something. -Yinan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Here's a more detailed article on Time, plus you can even click the editor's name and email them! http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,2079683,00.html - Yinan On Fri, Jun 24, 2011 at 8:26 AM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi List, The WP article's comment thread is now overrun by racists with a political axe to grind and a bunch of lunar-landing conspiracy nuts. Between the racism and the ignorance, it will be impossible to post a comment that corrects any misconceptions printed in the article. I posted a comment about the legality of lunar meteorite material and it was buried under an avalanche of hillbilly racism and moon-landing nutjobbery. I cannot help but cringe for our nation when we represent ourselves in such a fashion. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/24/11, Yinan Wang veom...@gmail.com wrote: Before people start going off on the WP and shaking their angry fists, notice that it's an AP article. Essentially someone at the Associated Press writes it, various papers subscribe to it and just pull material and publish it as filler. Yes, the WP should probably fact check the articles they pull, but like most major newspapers, they don't have the time. It's a minor human interest story that probably made page 12 of section B of the newspaper or something. -Yinan On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 6:53 PM, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Well, shoot, that makes it OK! They just didn't have time to fact check, which is such drudgery, not to mention a nuisance. It's *so* much more convenient to cut-and-paste from the AP. And anyway, it was on page 12 of section B - by the time you get way back there it doesn't matter what you print. Could be something about the Amazing Bat Boy or creepy Nils Farbu from the World Weekly News. Who cares about truth that deep into a newspaper? Sadly, newspapers have become simple containers for wire service stories and syndicated columnists. On a happier note, they're still good for lining bird cages and cleaning fish. Paul Swartz Yes, the WP?should probably fact check the articles they pull, but like most major newspapers, they don't have the time. It's a minor human interest story that probably made page 12 of section B of the newspaper or something. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Hi Paul and List, I am still amazed at how many people believe the Moon landings were fake. I don't want to open the debate again, but there is one key fact that the conspiracy nuts overlook : PEOPLE CANNOT KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT. Let's put aside the scientific and technological arguments for a moment and consider the human side of the story. Besides the astronauts and NASA personnel involved, there were many thousands of contractors, sub-contractors, family members, and friends involved in the Apollo program. Are we to seriously believe that thousands of people could keep a secret of this magnitude for over four decades? Heck, one person can't keep a secret for 10 minutes, less yet thousands of people for over forty years. It's downright silly. And I lose all intellectual respect for someone when they start parroting this lunar conspiracy carp. I believe our government is fully capable of (and willing) to lie to us about important issues, but I have no faith that human beings can keep a secret for any length of time, especially a secret of this scale that would involve thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. If anyone reading this believes in this conspiracy, please keep your replies to yourself and don't bother emailing me - I will only lose respect for you and I will not be swayed. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/24/11, valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com wrote: Well, shoot, that makes it OK! They just didn't have time to fact check, which is such drudgery, not to mention a nuisance. It's *so* much more convenient to cut-and-paste from the AP. And anyway, it was on page 12 of section B - by the time you get way back there it doesn't matter what you print. Could be something about the Amazing Bat Boy or creepy Nils Farbu from the World Weekly News. Who cares about truth that deep into a newspaper? Sadly, newspapers have become simple containers for wire service stories and syndicated columnists. On a happier note, they're still good for lining bird cages and cleaning fish. Paul Swartz Yes, the WP?should probably fact check the articles they pull, but like most major newspapers, they don't have the time. It's a minor human interest story that probably made page 12 of section B of the newspaper or something. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
On 6/24/11 6:26 AM, Met. Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: hillbilly racism and moon-landing nutjobbery. Hi Michael, Wonderful description. Oh, so many things are so greatly influenced by the ignorant masses of this country. Jay walking Is NOT faked - I know because these people show up In my classes! Newsweek does a yearly man on the Street 10 question test in 15 major cities. The AVERAGE Score is 4 out of 10. The questions?... Which country is Closer to the United States: France or Canada? Which Came first, the Civil War or World War II? (Really, ALL the questions are that simple... 4 out of 10! No one seems to get that our educational System is going down the tubes as a result of nit wit, Politically correct, see the student as a customer first Attitudes coupled with a false sense of entitlement And the taboo prevalent throughout the country against flunking non-achievers. Harvard now gives ALL As to all students in All classes. (Parents aren't paying $40,000 per year For their kids to get Bs - there was a segment on 60 Minutes about this last year). These people don't just decide elections They Are running a lot of things. The lower echelon of them Are the face to face people you deal with in most stores. It is terrifying! They are EVERYWHERE! Let's hide! Michael -- Obama is not a brown-skinned anti-war socialist. You are thinking of Jesus. (Street sign) -- Add two grains of sugar to everything you say And one of salt to everything you hear. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Yep - you tell a lie enough times over and over, and the masses believe it to be the truth. That is... how you control the people. Greg S Sent from my iPhone On Jun 24, 2011, at 9:31 AM, Michael Blood mlbl...@cox.net wrote: On 6/24/11 6:26 AM, Met. Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: hillbilly racism and moon-landing nutjobbery. Hi Michael, Wonderful description. Oh, so many things are so greatly influenced by the ignorant masses of this country. Jay walking Is NOT faked - I know because these people show up In my classes! Newsweek does a yearly man on the Street 10 question test in 15 major cities. The AVERAGE Score is 4 out of 10. The questions?... Which country is Closer to the United States: France or Canada? Which Came first, the Civil War or World War II? (Really, ALL the questions are that simple... 4 out of 10! No one seems to get that our educational System is going down the tubes as a result of nit wit, Politically correct, see the student as a customer first Attitudes coupled with a false sense of entitlement And the taboo prevalent throughout the country against flunking non-achievers. Harvard now gives ALL As to all students in All classes. (Parents aren't paying $40,000 per year For their kids to get Bs - there was a segment on 60 Minutes about this last year). These people don't just decide elections They Are running a lot of things. The lower echelon of them Are the face to face people you deal with in most stores. It is terrifying! They are EVERYWHERE! Let's hide! Michael -- Obama is not a brown-skinned anti-war socialist. You are thinking of Jesus. (Street sign) -- Add two grains of sugar to everything you say And one of salt to everything you hear. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Hi Stuart and List, That is true about the Manhattan Project, but look how long that secret lasted. The Soviets penetrated the project and Klaus Fuchs stole the secrets in less than 2 years. That secret, involving a fraction of the people the Apollo program did, didn't last nearly as long as the supposed 40-year+ secret of the faked moon landings. I can understand having a distrust of the government, but the Apollo program went far beyond the military and the government. In fact, it was the opposite of a secret - we wanted the whole world to know what we were doing. Out of all the evidence the conspiracy people put forth to debunk the landings, they never address how so many people could keep their big mouths shut for so long. It's the biggest gaping hole (pun intended) in their arguments. I have an old high school friend who is a professor at our local university, and he firmly believes that the moon landings were faked. We have discussed it more than once, and he won't budge on his belief. He is a very intelligent person, but yet he persists in his belief of the conspiracy. To bring this back to meteorites - we have numerous lunar samples (Apollo and meteorite) that have been analyzed by dozens (hundreds?) of reputable scientists at respected institutions and not a single one of them has come out on the side of the conspiracy theorists. Are we to believe that scientists such as Ted Bunch, Randy Korotev and others are also involved in this conspiracy? The ability of this conspiracy theory to persist in the face of irrefutable evidence to the contrary is proof that some people will believe anything - if it validates some prejudice or deeply-held belief that they hold. Some people are convinced that the government is evil. Some people are convinced that aliens run the world. Some people think that aliens built the pyramids and that the Nazca lines are landing strips for UFO's. Heck, look at how many books that kook Von Daniken has sold! What I want to know is, if the Apollo astronauts didn't land on the Moon, then where did they go? Millions of people watched them blast off and leave Earth. Tens of thousands witnessed the launch in person. The Soviets must be in on the conspiracy also, because their military tracked our every move during the landings. If any entity had a reason to expose such a lie, the Soviets would have gladly outed the secret, if it was indeed true. Well, I better sign off, my Pleiadean masters are summoning me for an interstellar meeting. ;) Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/24/11, Stuart McDaniel actionshoot...@carolina.rr.com wrote: Hey Mike, I firmly believe and KNOW the lunar landing happened, hell I was there to watch them blast off in '69 but think about this.look at the secret a 1000+ or so kept about the Manhattan project. Oakridge hired all these people to build the facility or basically a town then the bomb and they had no idea what they were working on. Just a thought. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: valpar...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Hi Paul and List, I am still amazed at how many people believe the Moon landings were fake. I don't want to open the debate again, but there is one key fact that the conspiracy nuts overlook : PEOPLE CANNOT KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT. Let's put aside the scientific and technological arguments for a moment and consider the human side of the story. Besides the astronauts and NASA personnel involved, there were many thousands of contractors, sub-contractors, family members, and friends involved in the Apollo program. Are we to seriously believe that thousands of people could keep a secret of this magnitude for over four decades? Heck, one person can't keep a secret for 10 minutes, less yet thousands of people for over forty years. It's downright silly. And I lose all intellectual respect for someone when they start parroting this lunar conspiracy carp. I believe our government is fully capable of (and willing) to lie to us about important issues, but I have no faith that human beings can keep a secret for any length of time, especially a secret of this scale that would involve thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. If anyone reading this believes in this conspiracy
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust
Hey Mike, I firmly believe and KNOW the lunar landing happened, hell I was there to watch them blast off in '69 but think about this.look at the secret a 1000+ or so kept about the Manhattan project. Oakridge hired all these people to build the facility or basically a town then the bomb and they had no idea what they were working on. Just a thought. Stuart McDaniel Lawndale, NC Secr., Cleve. Co. Astronomical Society IMCA #9052 Member - KCA, KBCA, CDUSA -Original Message- From: Michael Gilmer Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 12:30 PM To: valpar...@aol.com Cc: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon Dust Hi Paul and List, I am still amazed at how many people believe the Moon landings were fake. I don't want to open the debate again, but there is one key fact that the conspiracy nuts overlook : PEOPLE CANNOT KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT. Let's put aside the scientific and technological arguments for a moment and consider the human side of the story. Besides the astronauts and NASA personnel involved, there were many thousands of contractors, sub-contractors, family members, and friends involved in the Apollo program. Are we to seriously believe that thousands of people could keep a secret of this magnitude for over four decades? Heck, one person can't keep a secret for 10 minutes, less yet thousands of people for over forty years. It's downright silly. And I lose all intellectual respect for someone when they start parroting this lunar conspiracy carp. I believe our government is fully capable of (and willing) to lie to us about important issues, but I have no faith that human beings can keep a secret for any length of time, especially a secret of this scale that would involve thousands of people keeping their mouths shut. If anyone reading this believes in this conspiracy, please keep your replies to yourself and don't bother emailing me - I will only lose respect for you and I will not be swayed. Best regards, MikeG - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/24/11, valpar...@aol.com valpar...@aol.com wrote: Well, shoot, that makes it OK! They just didn't have time to fact check, which is such drudgery, not to mention a nuisance. It's *so* much more convenient to cut-and-paste from the AP. And anyway, it was on page 12 of section B - by the time you get way back there it doesn't matter what you print. Could be something about the Amazing Bat Boy or creepy Nils Farbu from the World Weekly News. Who cares about truth that deep into a newspaper? Sadly, newspapers have become simple containers for wire service stories and syndicated columnists. On a happier note, they're still good for lining bird cages and cleaning fish. Paul Swartz Yes, the WP?should probably fact check the articles they pull, but like most major newspapers, they don't have the time. It's a minor human interest story that probably made page 12 of section B of the newspaper or something. __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list -- __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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All the AP people, or whoever wrote the original article, had to do was add the simple caveat that all non-Antarctic lunar meteorites and meteoritical materials are perfectly legal to possess, buy and sell. A simple distinction between the legality of non-Antactic lunar meteorites and the illegality of NASA moon rocks would have done it. These people are, after all, journalism majors, unschooled in the esoteric, highly specialized field of meteoritics. Returning to the gist of the thread, it looks like the Feds and NASA are cracking down on the private possession of lunar dust retrieved from space paraphenalia. NASA workers regularly used strips of tape to clean lunar dust off space suits before they were returned to their manufacturer for inspection and repair. The Slezak lunar dust and other dust collected by Florian Noller from a moon bag carried on Apollo 16 has been in a gray area, apparently up until now. Unless the Feds are talking about some of the smuggled dust from the space suits. Sounds like they're talking about the Slezak dust which Noller has openly sold in the past. I think he was taken in for questioning and maybe charged but it came to nothing and he kept the dust. Looks like now they want all the dust for themselves. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Here we go again. I wonder if I ground up some lunar that I have could I get away with selling it at auction as genuine lunar dust- guaranteed. The feds would probably show up Count Deiro IMCA 3536 http://stlouis.cbslocal.com/2011/06/23/moon-dust-found-at-st-louis-auction-house/ __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I thought the dust on the tape was the only legal to own and sell NASA lunar material. http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/missing-moon-dust-found-in-st-louis-auction-business-returned-to-nasas-johnson-space-center/2011/06/23/AGhR1zhH_story.html Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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This story has already gone viral. The Washington Post, considered by many to be an impeccable souce, (rightly or wrongly) just misspoke the truth twice. It is illegal for individuals to own moon material. The woman said she was unaware of the history of the dust, and gave it up to authorities. Regency-Superior Auctions president David Kols said the company knew it was illegal to own moon rocks, but not moon dust, and once he learned all lunar material was illegal to possess, the auction was cancelled. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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The only profession that sees less professionalism and integrity is a politician. It hurts to see blatant lies spread with such easy. -Michael in so. Cal. On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Michael Gilmer meteoritem...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Phil and List, It is sad that there is so little professionalism and integrity left in mass-media journalism now. Maybe the WP author should get a Pulitzer like that fool who did that hit piece on meteorites for the NYT. Come to think of it, there are several members of this list who are far more deserving of an award for their journalism than either the WP or NYT. (seriously) Hopefully I won't spend the next two days defending meteorites on Facebook like I did after that garbage NYT article made the rounds. Best regards, MikeG -- - Galactic Stone Ironworks - Meteorites Amber (Michael Gilmer) Website - http://www.galactic-stone.com Facebook - http://tinyurl.com/42h79my News Feed - http://www.galactic-stone.com/rss/126516 Twitter - http://twitter.com/galacticstone EOM - http://www.encyclopedia-of-meteorites.com/collection.aspx?id=1564 - On 6/23/11, JoshuaTreeMuseum joshuatreemus...@embarqmail.com wrote: This story has already gone viral. The Washington Post, considered by many to be an impeccable souce, (rightly or wrongly) just misspoke the truth twice. It is illegal for individuals to own moon material. The woman said she was unaware of the history of the dust, and gave it up to authorities. Regency-Superior Auctions president David Kols said the company knew it was illegal to own moon rocks, but not moon dust, and once he learned all lunar material was illegal to possess, the auction was cancelled. Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon Dust
This is what they're talking about: http://www.diamondappraised.com/apollo/apollo11dust.htm Phil Whitmer __ Visit the Archives at http://www.meteoritecentral.com/mailing-list-archives.html Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
Re: [meteorite-list] Moon dust pens
Hi everyone - Here's what I was talking about: http://www.spacedaily.com/moondustpen-competition.html real simulated Moon dust. Now if any of you saved your lunar cuttings, it looks like an opportunity for you. For that matter, spacer.com might make a good place to sell meteorites to an entirely new set of collectors Good Luck, and Good Hunting, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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Neat Idea. If you read the last paragraph they are using a Simulated Man Made Material that resembles the Moon soil known as JSC-1A Lunar Regolith h I'll wait for the real thing! Sincerely Don Merchant IMCA #0960 - Original Message - From: E.P. Grondine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:09 PM Subject: Re: [meteorite-list] Moon dust pens Hi everyone - Here's what I was talking about: http://www.spacedaily.com/moondustpen-competition.html real simulated Moon dust. Now if any of you saved your lunar cuttings, it looks like an opportunity for you. For that matter, spacer.com might make a good place to sell meteorites to an entirely new set of collectors Good Luck, and Good Hunting, E.P. Grondine Man and Impact in the Americas __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ http://www.meteoritecentral.com Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
[meteorite-list] Moon dust
I guess I am not creative enough. All my moon dust and I never once thought of putting it in a microwave. With a small mold and a microwave you could have moon dust bunnies or make bricks for your next home. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra_moondust_060223.html -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
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I've bought quite a few pieces of Tatahouine (all 1 - 5 grams) over the past few months and I thought I 'd super glue the little beggers together until I achieved main mass. Dave - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com Sent: Friday, February 24, 2006 5:42 PM Subject: [meteorite-list] Moon dust I guess I am not creative enough. All my moon dust and I never once thought of putting it in a microwave. With a small mold and a microwave you could have moon dust bunnies or make bricks for your next home. http://www.space.com/adastra/adastra_moondust_060223.html -- Eric Olson ELKK Meteorites http://www.star-bits.com __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list __ Meteorite-list mailing list Meteorite-list@meteoritecentral.com http://six.pairlist.net/mailman/listinfo/meteorite-list
